1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Hutt's let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Let's go Giants, My Giants, Mobul give me some job. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's Roll. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 3: John Smoke with you, joined by front of the program 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 3: Dane Brugler, author of The Beast, the Best Draft Guy 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: in the Land, which you can find on the Athletic 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: with your subscription for free. 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Dane, We've been doing this a long time, my friend. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: We were about a week away from the draft. How 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: you feeling, man like? Is all your hay in the 13 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: barn at this point? Is your seven round mock even done? 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: I finished it this morning. That'll be up this week 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: on the Athletics and people can go check that out. Yeah, 16 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: you know, it's you never feel like you're quite done 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 2: until Draft weekend is here, until it's like time to draft, 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 2: because there's always another tape you can watch. There's always 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: another uh under the Radar player you can and go 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: watch more of. But yeah, at some point you just 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: have to. All right, we've been doing this for the 22 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: last year. We've we've seen a lot of these guys. 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: Let's trust our rankings, trust what we've seen, and you know, 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: we can feel good about it about you know what 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: our opinions on these guys. So yeah, I'm more than 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: excited for Draft weekend to be here so we can 27 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: react to the picks as opposed to you know, the opposite. 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: But yeah, this is a it's a fun draft class 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: because again, it's guys at the top. It's a strong 30 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: group at the top where you know, I don't I 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: don't know how many actual blue Chippers we have, but 32 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: it's a good first round. It's a good year we 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: have in a top ten pick. It's a good year 34 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: to have multiple first round picks. You know, the depth 35 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: in this draft kind of falls off, you know, I 36 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: don't know, fourth round, fifth round, somewhere that death does 37 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: fall off. So it's a good year to have early picks, 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: which makes it a lot of fun to talk about. 39 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a good year for the Giants. Avn't early pick. 40 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: And by the way, Dane and Robert Mays and Nate Tice, 41 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: all of what you've heart on our program will be 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: live doing coverage of the draft on Thursday and Friday 43 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: through through the athletics, So make sure you tune in 44 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: and check that at We're only allowed to be on 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: through NFL rules for like at half an hour an 46 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: hour each night, So when we're not on, watch us 47 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: and then tune right back into their coverage, which is 48 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: always the best. And I always joked in that we've 49 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: been doing this a long time. Unfortunately, my printer here 50 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: has not had a chance to print out this year's guy. 51 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: But I went back into the archives twenty fifteen Williams. 52 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: I think that was the first year we had you on. 53 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 3: That's when I think you were still an NFL drafts 54 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: gaut in the Sports Exchange. Yeah, so we've been and 55 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 3: really you were one of the first draft guys we've 56 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: had on, and you've kind of motivated us to up 57 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: our coverage. I do a lot more work on it, 58 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: probably because of you. So I just want to thank 59 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: you for doing this for all these years. And I 60 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: got Leonard Williams here. I brought out all of them, 61 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: dude twenty sixteen, Laramy Tunsel, that's great. We got Miles 62 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: Garrett twenty seventeen. I got them all the way through 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. We just haven't had a chance to 64 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: print out this year is yet but awesome workers always. 65 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: That's fantastic. That is fantastic. Now it's I've been doing 66 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: this long enough where it's you know, been growing over 67 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: the years and hopefully getting better and better. But no, yeah, 68 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: that's that's a good representation of our friendship and in 69 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: our professional relationship of talking about players and you know, 70 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: debating all these guys and you know, it's almost almost 71 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: a decade here. That's crazy. 72 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: It is. It's nuts. 73 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: And you do a great job with the Beast for 74 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: the folks that haven't checked out, and make sure you 75 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 3: do before we get into the actual prospects. Dane, this 76 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: is a little vague, so you could take any direction 77 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: you want. Give me some of your favorite either background 78 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 3: stories or anecdotes that you got into the Beast this year. 79 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: It could be about a seventh round player, I don't care. 80 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: Just some of the cool, really background stuff that you've 81 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: been able to pull out on a couple guys that 82 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: gives fans an idea of how deep you really do 83 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: dig on all these guys. 84 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I think the best or the most inspirational 85 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: story has to be Ray Davis from Kentucky, either running 86 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: back who you know, everything the life threw at him 87 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: from a young age. No one would have blamed him 88 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: if he, you know, succumb to the pressure and you know, 89 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: if one of fourteen siblings. But you know, his parents 90 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: were in the picture, in and out of jail. I mean, 91 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: he was in the foster care system. I mean, he 92 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: just he was dealt a rough hand. But he somehow 93 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: he overcame it all. And he led three different teams 94 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: in rushing over his career in college. We started at Temple, 95 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: then he was at Vanderbilt, then he finished at Kentucky. 96 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: And the tape that he put on, the performance he 97 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: put on tape this past year in twenty twenty three 98 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: was outstanding. And the coaches, they speak really highly of him. 99 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: It's funny when I've talked to him, he always mentions 100 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: his offensive lineman first instead of him. This is just 101 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: a guy that gets it. But he also has the 102 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: traits in the physical ability. Now he's an older guy 103 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: that'll work against him a little bit. He'll be uh, 104 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: this will be his twenty he'll turn twenty five during 105 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: his rookie season. But when you're talking about a third, 106 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: fourth round type of running back, I don't know how 107 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: much that age is gonna matter for a lot of teams. 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: So Ray Davis is one of the the more inspirational 109 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: stories in this class. He's he's fantastic, so and I 110 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: you know, I love the We have a lot of 111 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: father son, you know, NFL blood lines in this class. 112 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: Frank Gore, Frank Gore junior obviously, Marvin Marvin Harrison, Marvin 113 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: Harrison junior, Jerry Rice, his son is in this class. 114 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: McCaffrey's are again represented in the NFL Draft. So that's 115 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: always fun learn about some of the bloodlines and you 116 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: know different uh Ed Reid is connected to a few guys, 117 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: Trey Taylor, the Air Force safety is there's a he's 118 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 2: a cousin. I mean, there's there's a lot of different 119 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: bloodline connections and it's always interesting to find those out 120 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: with these prospects. 121 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: Kingsley Suamataia cousin of Penney Sewel Like, there's a lot 122 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: of guys and it's funny all the guys that we 123 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: watch you growing up now are starting to have kids 124 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: that are going into the draft. That makes me extremely old. 125 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: It's it's it's not great. Brandon Jacobs, who I was 126 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: here I can see you when he played the Super Bowl. 127 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: His kid is it's like the number one prospect coming 128 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 3: at It's it's crazy running back, no offensive tackle. 129 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's not too crazy when you think 130 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: of Jacobs and how big he was, but wow, that 131 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: that is crazy. 132 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me see if I can get that up 133 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: here real quick, because I know he was highly recruited. Yeah, 134 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 3: Brandon Jacobs, he could just committed to Clemson. 135 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: Brandon Jacobs. He's six seven, three hundred ten pounds already. 136 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: Jeez wow, yeah, I mean Jacob bro Jacobs. I mean 137 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: at his at his biggest was probably what I mean, 138 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: two fifty to sixty. I mean he was a big, 139 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: big boy and so uh, I guess not a complete 140 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: stretch that if the sun with that side, if he's 141 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: six seven, then uh yeah, that's good for him, good 142 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: for his family. 143 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandon Jacobs on the top of my list of 144 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: guys you don't want to be stuck in a dark 145 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: alley again. The scary dude. Him and Sean Rodgers, who 146 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 3: was here for a couple of years, two of the 147 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: guys that had that nastiness to him. You don't want 148 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: to mess with those two guys and definitely. 149 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: Want to they have the intimidation factor. 150 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely, all right, you mentioned Ray Davis, and then 151 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: I'll get into the tone a second. This is funny 152 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: when I watchedly I did all the running back a 153 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: few weeks ago, and I tried to watch them walk consecutively. 154 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: I actually liked his tape the best day, and believe 155 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: it or not, but then you look at the the 156 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: numbers and the measurements the age of your point. I 157 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: eventually slid them down the board. But I just think 158 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: if you're gonna pick a guy that's gonna be a good, 159 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: solid running back, back can do a little bit of everything. 160 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: Even if you know the speed's not overwhelming, nothing really 161 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: jumps out at you in terms of the testing. 162 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't think you can go wrong with a guy 163 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: like that. 164 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: And if you're only gonna have a running back for 165 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: one contract anyway, I think you'll probably last through that 166 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: one deal at least. 167 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the key is we can get caught 168 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: up with the age and oh, twenty one sounds better 169 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: than twenty five, and I get it, But we're talking 170 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: about probably a player that be drafted in the fourth round, 171 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: and when you're talking about a Day three running back. Yeah, 172 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: give me, just give me good players as opposed to 173 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: worrying about what's what's that second contract gonna look like? 174 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: And you know what's it gonna look like five year? 175 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: Most gms aren't gonna see four five year from now. 176 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: So let's get the better player for right now. And 177 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: you could make an argument that Ray davis Florida tape 178 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: was maybe the best running back tape of any running 179 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: back in his class. You could make that argument he 180 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: was outstanding, one of the few running backs that was 181 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: outstanding against Georgia this year. He runs with it's equal 182 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: parts patients and instincts, but also an urgency where I mean, 183 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: once he sees that hole, he senses it, he hits it, 184 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: he goes. He can put his foot in the ground 185 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: to make sharp lateral moves, make a safety missing space. 186 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: To your point, doesn't really have that pull away gear, 187 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: more of a four or five athlete than a four 188 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: to four athlete. But just the fact that he's ripping 189 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: off these singles and doubles where he's getting six yards 190 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: twelve yards, even as there's not a ton of eighty 191 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: yard ers, he's still getting these positive gains and I 192 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: was really encouraged by what he did catching the ball, 193 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 2: even though he wasn't a high volume pass catcher, but 194 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: I was encouraged by the way he caught it. I 195 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: think he's more than just a screen receiver. But yeah, 196 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: there's when you factor in his background and everything. He's 197 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: overcome the all. With a lot of these players, you 198 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: always want to figure out have they had to handle 199 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: adversity and because when you get to the NFL, it's 200 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: full of adversity, and so do you have the mindset 201 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: to overcome that? The mental toughness. There's no question about 202 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: this kid's mental toughness and his ability to work past 203 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: some of the roadblocks. So yeah, Ray Davis to me, 204 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: easy sell, and I think somewhere in that probably the 205 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: fourth round is where he's going to come off the board. 206 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: All right, let's talk intel here, Dane. Is your thought 207 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: still quarterbacks one through three with the third one being 208 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: Drake May and then just it's all hands on deck 209 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: for teams trying to trade up with Arizona and the Chargers. 210 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: What's your feel for how these first five picks are 211 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: going to go. 212 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 2: I feel good about the first pick. Put it that way, 213 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is going to be a Chicago Bear. Feel 214 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: very confident about that. After that, it really is. Because 215 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: let's remember the word consensus should never be used in 216 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: any draft conversation. Get it out of here, because every 217 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 2: team looks at these guys a little bit differently. Some 218 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: think JJ McCarthy is the number two quarterback in his class, 219 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, Drake May. I mean, there's a different order 220 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: from team to team, and especially when you look at 221 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: the Commanders at number two. You have a very hands 222 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: on owner who will be part of the conversation about 223 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: who the pick is. At number two, you have a 224 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: first year general manager. You have a head coach who 225 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: is a defensive minded head coach, so he brings a 226 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: different perspective to the conversation. He's looking at it through 227 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 2: the realm of Okay, who do I not want to 228 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: prepare for? You know, who is the guy that I 229 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: just I don't want to see on the other side 230 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: that my defense has to stop? And so the Commanders 231 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: are really interesting with who they might draft at number two. 232 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: I think all signs are pointing to Jayden Daniels, but 233 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: that's until the pick is official. I'm still not feeling 234 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: super great about that. And then the Patriots at number three, 235 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: what direction do they go? You have, you know an 236 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: offense last year that was just got awful, and you 237 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: know Robert Kraft eighty two years old, he does not 238 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: want to see an offense like that again. He can't 239 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: do it. So I think quarterback, it seems to be 240 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: the favorite at number three, But which quarterback? You know, 241 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: they've had all Jane Daniels, JJ McCarthy, Drake Made. They've 242 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: had them all in. They've spent a few days there 243 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: just learning the player. And who knows how those interviews go. 244 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: That's the thing. JJ McCarthy has an outstanding interview, which 245 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: is very possible. The intangibles, And I've said since the summer, 246 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: once coaches get with JJ McCarthy and learn about him 247 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: as the person. And this is nothing against Jane Daniels 248 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: or Drake May because I think I think all these 249 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: guys not worried about the character at all. I think 250 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: they'll all do very well in an interview setting it 251 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: JJ has a chance to really separate himself because the 252 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: intangibles are that good. So if JJ McCarthy were to 253 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: be that number three pick, I don't think that'd be 254 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: super surprising. So it's I am very interested to see 255 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: how these quarterbacks come off the board. Could be Chalk, 256 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: how we kind of Jade Daniels too, Drake May three, 257 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: and then you know JJ McCarthy will have to wait 258 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: and see we have a team trading up. How does 259 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: that play out? But I do think it is really 260 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: fascinating because beauties and I the beholder, and it is 261 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: never more true than with quarterbacks because it's not just 262 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: about the player that you see on tape. Tell us 263 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: about the person. This is a CEO of your franchise, 264 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: and you have to be you know, one over by 265 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: the by the person to invest a top five pick 266 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: into the player. So I'm really fascinated to see how 267 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,239 Speaker 2: this plays out. 268 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 269 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 4: a turf biz business, grows, your savings grow, become the 270 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 271 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: that life brings? 272 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: And then how about Arizona in LA? Do you think 273 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: both are looking to get out? Do you think they 274 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: already basically have offers on the table from Minnesota to 275 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: Denver any other team that might be looking to move 276 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: up to one of those two spots to get that quarterback, 277 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: if that fourth quarterback is a player that those two 278 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 3: teams value. 279 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: There's no doubt that this is the time of the 280 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: year when, even before this, where those deals are talked 281 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: about with teams, and maybe not all the specifics, but 282 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: you start to talk, you do the legwork about Okay, 283 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: what would you be looking to get, You have your 284 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: negotiating points, and then that's what's where you start, and 285 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: then you work it down and see if you can 286 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: come to an agreement. And a lot of deals, there's 287 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: a far more deals that are talked about between teams 288 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: that aren't done compared to the ones that are actually executed. 289 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: But if you're especially if you're the Vikings, if you're 290 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: if you're the Raiders, the Broncos, you're at least seeing, okay, 291 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: what would it cost us? You know, you're doing your 292 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: due diligence. So even if a trade doesn't happen, Okay, 293 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: this is what we'd be willing to part with. You know, 294 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: you maybe it's not exactly what you're looking for, but 295 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: think about it. You know, if you don't get a 296 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: better offer, or if you maybe you sleep on it 297 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: and you think this might be something you could do. Okay, 298 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: then great, But yeah, there's so many offers being talked 299 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: about right now, especially with these quarterbacks at the top. 300 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: Could we see quarterbacks go one, two, three, four, something 301 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: we've never seen before. It's it's possible, and I wouldn't 302 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: be surprised if you're the Cardinals if they do something 303 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: like they did last year where they trade out and say, 304 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: say it is the Vikings. Vikings go from eleven to four, 305 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: Cardinals go back to eleven, but then just trade right 306 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: back up, say with the Chargers at five, and they're 307 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: able to get that Marvin Harrison Junior or whichever receiver 308 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: they want, but still pick up draft capital in the 309 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: process because of their maneuvering. They did it last year 310 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: with Paris Johnson, an offensive tackle out of Ohio State. 311 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: So I do think that the Cardinals have shown they're 312 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: willing to be creative with how they move around. The 313 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: Chargers are a little bit of a wild card, considering 314 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: you know, we've got a first year general manager. Jim 315 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: Harbaugh is a complete wild card in this process. He 316 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: has a very different perspective on these players, having recruited 317 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: a lot of them at Michigan having coached against them 318 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: or with them in college, so he brings a very 319 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: different perspective to this process as well. So there's a 320 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: level of unknown A four and five. But I think 321 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: both are more than willing to listen to offers because 322 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: I think they'd both like to get out of there 323 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: if they can. 324 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: And I think we're going to see a new president 325 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: set for the amount you have to pay to move 326 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: up to day because of the level of quarterback you 327 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: could be moving up four and the fact there's going 328 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: to be competing offers. Right, you have two teams that 329 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: are three teams even if you count the Raiders that 330 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: are really desperate to move up. So I think I 331 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: think the price is going to be pretty exorbitant. But 332 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: you know, if you get the right quarterback, you can 333 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: never pay too much, right. 334 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: It's true, and it will be because I think we 335 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: look at past offers and say, okay, well, this is 336 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: what it costs for the forty nine ers to go 337 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: get Trey Lance at number three overall, or you know, 338 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: we look at those as guidelines, But the truth is, 339 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: the offer is whatever the move is going to be, 340 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: whatever the best offer is. And so but I should 341 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: take that back actually, because if you're the Cardinals, if 342 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: you have a trade offer from maybe someone that's not there, 343 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: still picking in the top ten, you might be more 344 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: inclined to do that deal because you are still in 345 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: range of one of those top three receivers. And I 346 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: think that those top three receivers are a key point 347 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: in all of this, because, yeah, you want more draft capital, 348 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: but the Cardinals are already set up pretty well, and so 349 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: if you have a chance to stay within striking distance 350 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: of one of those top three receivers, because I think 351 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: if I'm the Cardinals, that's a priority for me. Is 352 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: what However, it looks like I don't care. As long 353 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: as I get out of that top ten with one 354 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: of these three receivers, that should be my goal. Even 355 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: if I'm maneuvering and trading around, that's fine. As long 356 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: as I'm coming away with Marvin Errison Junior or mylike 357 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: neighbors Romaduonze. To me, that should be their priority as 358 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: they try to rebuild that offense, and they just need 359 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 2: to give Kyler Murray some type of number one weapon. 360 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: And we just happen to have three of those guys 361 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: at the top of this draft. 362 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's our priority for the Giants too, 363 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 3: if they don't decide to go quarterback Dame to get 364 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: one of those three wide receivers. If they're trying to 365 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: pick up an extra pick, do you think they could 366 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: risk going down to nine to say with the Bears. 367 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: Maybe the Bears aside they have one receiver they really want, 368 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: they want to move up. 369 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: Or is it too risky? 370 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 3: Then where the Falcons could get out at eight if 371 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 3: they feel good about an edge rusher in the early teens. 372 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: If you're the Giants, you want one of those three 373 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: wide receivers, do you have to stay there at six? 374 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 2: In your opinion, I think that if you are a 375 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: dead set on coming away with one of those receivers 376 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: and yet you have to stick a pick, it is 377 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: too much of a risk because, just like you said 378 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: it up, if they move back to nine, it's even 379 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: the seven with the Titans. If the Titans have similar 380 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: grades on Fuaga and Olufashnu and all, you know, I 381 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprising if they trade back a little bit, 382 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 2: get the draft picks and they still get an offensive 383 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: liman that they want, or maybe they go into completely 384 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 2: different direction. There's too much that could happen at seven 385 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: or eight, because I think a lot of teams, you know, 386 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: the Colts at fifteen, the Jaguars, There's a lot of 387 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: teams that would love to have one of these top 388 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: three receivers. Who knows, we could even see a Julio 389 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: Jones type of trade with the Bills going all the 390 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: way up to get their next number one receiver. There's 391 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: too many landmines that if I'm the Giants and i 392 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: want one of these three receivers, I'm sticking and picking 393 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: as much as it it'd be great to have that 394 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: second round pick and a third round pick, that extra 395 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: draft capital, whatever it may be. Give me. Let's just 396 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: make sure we get our guy and we're not too 397 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: cute about. 398 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: It one hundred percent. 399 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 3: And folks, Dane join those at the combines and go 400 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: back to that combine episode. He did all his evaluation 401 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: of the top receivers and top quarterbacks. If you want 402 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: to hear it, his evaluation of the players haven't changed. 403 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: Go back, take a listen to that. We're gonna focus 404 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: a little bit more on day two guys here, especially 405 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 3: on defense. We had his colleague Brian brought his former 406 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: colleague Brian brought us on this week before. 407 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: It's a lot on the offense. 408 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: Day two. We'll do Day two defense here with Dane. 409 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: But first a reminder. The huddle is brought to you 410 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 3: by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants from game data. Everyday, 411 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: Citizens is made ready for Giant fans with inside guidance 412 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 3: and solutions. Learn more at Citizens bank dot com. All right, 413 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: Dane Corner on Day two, I did these guys last 414 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: week and finalize my rankings. I gotta be honest, I 415 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: had a hard time stacking these guys, and I was 416 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: looking back and I was trying to figure out why 417 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: I was having such trouble. And one of the reasons 418 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 3: I came up with is that none of the testing 419 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: for these guys, especially on day two for me, really 420 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: jump out at you. Like last year we had DJ 421 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: Turner right as a as a Day two guy from Michigan, 422 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: but he ran a four to three eight right. This 423 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: year we got a bunch of five eleven guys that 424 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: seemed to run like in the low four to fives. 425 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: And that's on a fast track at Indie. 426 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: We're on a regular track that might be a four 427 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 3: five five, four five six right and I'm having trouble 428 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 3: stacking these Day two guys. Whether it's the DJ Jameses, 429 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: the Drew Phillips, the Ronaldo hit Bernardo Green, they're all 430 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: kind of in the same group for me and I 431 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's gonna be scheme dependent how 432 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 3: these teams separate these guys and its racket straws in 433 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: that same group for me too. You know, Max Melton 434 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: ran a little faster, but he's in that group just 435 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: stacking up and figuring out these Day two cornerbacks. 436 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: I think it's really tough for a position or once. 437 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: You get out of the elite athletes, it is hard 438 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: to find really high level players at the position. 439 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that it's funny when you talk 440 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: to different teams. You get one team says this about 441 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 2: one player and another team feels completely opposite. So you 442 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: know what you're everything that you're saying about. Uh, it 443 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: kind of just all these guys jumbled together. That's like 444 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: a lot of teams feel the same way, where it's 445 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: it's more of a tier system where they're just you 446 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: try to separate these guys. You find these little things 447 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: and that's why you know the testing matters interviews matter 448 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: because that little those little things can be the separator 449 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: when their tags are touching on the on the board. 450 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: I you know, for me, Andrew Phillips from Kentucky is 451 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the draft. I love 452 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: this player. I think he's we can get so caught 453 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: up in size and length and just give me the 454 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: good players, and I think Andrew Phillips certainly qualifies for that. 455 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: He is five eleven one ninety ran a four to 456 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 2: four to eight and the forty. Not a blazing fast forty, 457 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: but he is a good enough athlete. I don't see 458 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: him be out athleted on tape and he played in 459 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: the SEC, but he has he's physical. He's me a 460 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: lot of Roger McCreery when he was coming out of 461 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: Auburn and he was an early second round pick to 462 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: the Titans. Has been a solid pro so far, probably 463 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: best in the nickel, but I think he can also 464 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: play outside. Not everyone's gonna look at him the same 465 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: just because again, he doesn't have that ideal size speed combination. 466 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: But I think he's good enough and that physical mindset 467 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: that he plays with the way that he wins body position. 468 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: He will play through the hand as receivers. Didn't have 469 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: an interception in college, and for some that's that's a 470 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 2: red flag. That's they want somebody that's going to turn 471 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: the ball over. Everybody wants that. But I think of what, 472 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 2: he didn't have an interception because he can't play the ball. 473 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 2: I think he just it just didn't happen for him. 474 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there are times where you know he is 475 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: in position, he's able to knock the ball away. It's 476 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: just he needs to turn those into some of those 477 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: balls need to turn into pickoffs. And I think he 478 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 2: can do it. I've seen him do it on practice tape. 479 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: I've seen him do it at the Senior Bowl. So 480 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 2: Andrew Phillips, I'm a big fan of Somewhere. I think 481 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: somewhere in round two is where he's going to come 482 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: off the board. I don't think he makes it the 483 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: round three. 484 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 3: And I was happy to see you with Sanser still 485 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 3: as your sixth corner. I didn't look at your stack 486 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: until I finished mine, and that's exactly where I had 487 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: him too. And I know he's just five nine and 488 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: one eighty and he's not an elite tier athlete. Very 489 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: good time at four four seven, but boy, that guy 490 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: just knows how to play football, and in a terror 491 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 3: Dane where that slot spot is so important, playing two 492 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: ways run and pass, and understanding how the offense is 493 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 3: trying to influence you as one of those space players inside. 494 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: I think his just mental approach to the game will 495 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: really appeal to teams. 496 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: Copy and paste a lot of what I just said 497 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: against with the Andrew Phillips for Seynras still because again 498 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: it doesn't match up with the elite size speed that 499 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: teams are looking for. But he's just a really good 500 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 2: football player. And I have to be really encouraged by 501 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: the fact that he was a receiver at Michigan for 502 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: the first three years and then they moved to dB 503 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty two season, and he got better 504 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: and better and better every year. And for a guy 505 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: that just doesn't have a ton of experience there, he 506 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: had twenty passes defended over the last two years, seven interceptions, 507 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: and he also was only flagged once over that span, 508 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: So you consider as inexperience and the fact that he 509 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: only had one flag and didn't give up a ton 510 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: of catches. Yeah, this guy is a smart player. He 511 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: just has a sixth sense for and you know where 512 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: the ball is going. He just he understands it and 513 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: so the coverage transitions are clean. You know, being a 514 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: former wide receiver, he us a good sense for route 515 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: breaks and what receivers are trying to do to him. 516 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: You just have to be able to be okay with 517 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 2: the lack of size. And you know a lot of 518 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: teams are not going to draft and undersize Nickel in 519 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: the first two rounds. But I think there will be 520 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 2: a team that is more than okay with that because 521 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: if you have a need at the nickel position, he's 522 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 2: plug and play and you feel great about him as 523 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: part of your defensive structure. 524 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: You watch the tape, it's hard not to like what 525 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: Rachestra puts on tape. But injury issues ran a four 526 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: or five to one. Same with Kamara Lassidar. He ran 527 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: up in the four sixes. I know there's some controversy 528 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 3: to that, but I know you've talked to a lot 529 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: of people and they tell you he was in the 530 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: four sixes. 531 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: They're all in the four sixes. 532 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know sub one ninety, but his tape 533 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 3: was good at Georgia. How do you think teams are 534 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: viewing those two guys trying to balance out some of 535 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: the non tape stuff versus the good stuff they saw 536 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: on tape. 537 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Hell, Lassiter, it is tough because he's he's not 538 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: particularly big, you know, he's not a big man. He's 539 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 2: not you know, it's not like that's the reason for 540 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: his lack of speed, you know, where as opposed to say, 541 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: like like a TJ. Tampa who six one five has 542 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: some more size to him. He ran four or five eight, 543 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: but you know, at least he has length to him. 544 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: With Lassiter, he's five to eleven and a half. He's 545 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: under one hundred and ninety pounds, so not a big 546 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: physical player, but he's very smart. He understands how to 547 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 2: play the position. He's a guy that on tape he 548 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: grades as a second round player, but then the testing 549 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: probably pushes him in a round three just because again 550 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: for six is low. Four six is it's it's it's 551 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: hard to uh reconcile that with the player that you 552 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 2: see on tape, because a player you see on tape 553 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 2: is a good football player, but it's corners a stop 554 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: watch position, it is, and for a lot of teams 555 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: at four six, it's it's a little bit of a 556 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: deal breaker. So to me, he is a second round 557 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: player who should go in the second round. That probably 558 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: goes early third maybe as a nickel. We'll have to 559 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: see how that plays out. Yeah, with Rick Shaw, he 560 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 2: is I struggle with him because I like the mentality 561 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: that he plays with. He is he's a dog. I mean, 562 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: he wants to go out there and compete and compete 563 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: and compete, but there are just too many things working 564 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: against him where he's he's a little bit undersized five 565 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: to eleven, uh, you know, one to eighty three. Uh 566 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: has some injury stuff, you know, so you worry about 567 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: the durability. Not a great straight line athlete. Uh. You know, 568 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: ran a four or five to one at the combine 569 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: and then at the runs again at the Prodade runs 570 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: a four five six, So didn't even couldn't even match 571 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: what he did at the combine. You you really like 572 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: the mentality that he brings. He's patient, he's very controlled 573 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: with his movements. 574 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: You know. 575 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: He he moves really well to uh mirror up and 576 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: down the field. So there's a lot of things that 577 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: he does well. Uh, but when you're going up against 578 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: NFL level receivers, NFL level athletes, being undersized, not having 579 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 2: a ton of ball production. You only three passes defended 580 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: this year, only one career interception. So there is some 581 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: parts to his game that give me a little bit 582 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: of pause. And why I see him as you know, 583 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: I see him pop up in first round Mox and 584 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 2: I struggle with that. I just I don't see that 585 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: type of player. But once you get into the forties 586 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: and the fifties, that's where I think, Okay, I'm comfortable 587 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: drafting him here because he is missing some of the 588 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 2: elements that I want in my corners. But above all, 589 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: give me the guy that's physical, give me the guy 590 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 2: that has that mentality, that competitiveness. He brings that, and 591 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: so that's what I'm if I have to sell him 592 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: in a war room, to my to a team, It's 593 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 2: all about the way that he the mentality that brings 594 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: to the field, the way he competes, and the way 595 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: that he'll match up with NFL level receivers the next level. 596 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 3: All right, two more guys on corners I want to 597 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: touch on here, Dane. 598 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: One is Ronaldo Green. 599 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give my Ronaldo Green prop againda right now 600 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: because I have him in the second round, and it's 601 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: because he plays so much press, and you know so 602 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 3: many these guys are on off coverage, you have to 603 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: figure it out, right, He's in press all the time 604 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: for Florida State and he's sticky as hell, man, I think. 605 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: And now the Giants aren't going to be in that 606 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: as much this year with with Martinelle not being here 607 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: and all that. But I think Ronardo Green is one 608 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: of those guys you watch the tape and you can 609 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: immediately see how that guy is going to transfer to 610 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: the NFL, given how he was used at Florida State 611 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: playing so much of that press. 612 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: Man. 613 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I totally get it because he is another 614 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: guy he has the right mentality for the position and 615 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: he wants to get physical. He's wired right for the position. 616 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: I think he's smart too, the way he can read 617 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: receivers and understand what routes they want to run. Patient 618 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: controlled in that sense, but there are times where he 619 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: will get over aggressive, and because he's only an average 620 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: athlete by NFL standards for that position, his recoveries are 621 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: where I worry because if there's a receiver that's able 622 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: to stem him out of out of phase, he really 623 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 2: struggles to get back into phase and get back into positions. 624 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: So I agree with you. The thing to like about 625 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: him are being able to press, being able to you know, 626 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: play that sticky coverage when he's when everything's going right. 627 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: But when he gets out of position, can he recover that? 628 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: That's that's my hang up with with Green. Why I 629 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: I have a fourth round grade on him. I couldn't. 630 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: I couldn't get him into my top one hundred just 631 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: because of the lack of recovery skills. That just it 632 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: worries me. But I understand why some teams they might 633 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 2: look at it and say, okay, well give me the 634 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 2: guy that has the play personality, give me the guy 635 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: that you know he he understands what the receiver is 636 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 2: trying to do. And so even though his recoveries are 637 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: a little bit of a struggle, he's not caught out 638 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: of position that many times, and we're we're going to 639 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: bank on him being able to do that at the 640 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: NFL level. So Renaldo agree is a tough one. There 641 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: are I know, some teams that are completely out on 642 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: Ronardo Green. They maybe as a late round guy, not 643 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: you know, not interested. Other teams they look at, you know, 644 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 2: throw on the l s U tape and what he 645 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: did against those receivers, and uh say, okay, you know what, 646 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: this guy just understands how to play corner. Well, you know, 647 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: we feel like he's gonna go talk one hundred. So 648 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: Ernardo Green's the truth is probably somewhere in the middle somewhere. 649 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: Maybe third round, fourth round is probably where he's gonna 650 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: end up going. But yeah, a lot of differing opinions 651 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: from team to team on Green. 652 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens, 653 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. Knew you move to the country. 654 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 655 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings? 656 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: All? 657 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 3: Right? Final thing on corners of the big guys, the 658 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: TJ tamp is the Cam Heart's, the Kyrie Jackson's Dane. 659 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: How do you kind of sort through them if you're 660 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: looking for a bigger outside corner real quick? 661 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll throw de Cameron Richardson in there too, six ' 662 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: two and a quarter one hundred and eighty eight pounds. 663 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: You know, wasn't he thought he was going to transfer 664 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: actually at Old Miss for this for next season. Had 665 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: a late change of heart and then decided not to 666 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: go to the Senior Bowl because of that. But he's 667 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: a guy that has the size ran a four to 668 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: three four, has outstanding speed. I worry about his ball 669 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 2: tracking skills. He is he really struggled to find the football, 670 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: especially once his back has turned to the football. But 671 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: when we're talking, you know, probably fourth early day three 672 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: for him, I think that he's going to be an 673 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: appealing player to look at. Cam Hert's kind of in 674 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: that same same range for me, sixty three two hundred. 675 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 2: This is a good example of trusting the tape more 676 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 2: so than the tag. The tag says six three two hundred, 677 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: it says four or five ozh You know, you see 678 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: the length of thirty three inch arms and oh, easy 679 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 2: to be encouraged by that. But then you watch tape 680 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 2: and you see an inconsistent player. So again I think 681 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: we're seeing more fourth round for him. Same thing with 682 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: Kyrie Jackson, who had an outstanding season. But okay, why 683 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: did it take until his sixth year in college to 684 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: do or to play up to this level. You know 685 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: what happened at Alabama where when he did get on 686 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: the field, it was inconsistent, didn't last very long suspended, 687 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: goes to Oregon. He's gonna be a twenty five year 688 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: old rookie. So there's more question marks with Kyrie Jackson. 689 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 2: A lot of teams doing their background and homework on him. 690 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: But you know, if things all go in the right direction, 691 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: Jackson can be an NFL starter. He has that in him. 692 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: It's just a matter of consistency for the Big six 693 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: four Oregon. 694 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Corner Giant Fans level winner. 695 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: It's why they love Citizens named the twenty twenty two 696 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 3: best bank in the US by the Banker as the 697 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 3: official bank of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle, 698 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 3: Citizens is made ready for fans of Big Blue. 699 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: Learn more at Citizens bank dot com. 700 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 3: All right, Dan, let's jump out to safety here the 701 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: Giants going to more to that split safety. You know, 702 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 3: cover two, cover four, cover six, you know, figure things out, 703 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: matchup zone things you need. Corner safeties rather that can 704 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 3: do a little bit. Everything can be versatile and move 705 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 3: up or down based on offensive formation. When do you 706 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 3: think the sweet spot is for safeties? 707 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: Here? 708 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: Is its second round? Is the third round? And what 709 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: safeties do you think kind of fit that versatile role 710 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: that I just describe for what the Giants would be 711 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: looking for on their new defense. 712 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: I think if you want to draft that first safety 713 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: off the board, then you're looking at that position in 714 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: the second round. If you are comfortable with draft, you 715 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: know your third or fourth safety. If you've got these 716 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: guys all jumble together in a similar range, then you 717 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 2: can wait till the third round and I think feel 718 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: very confident about who's going to be there for you. 719 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: For me, Jayden Hicks from Washington State is my top 720 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: ring safety this year, and I think he fits a 721 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: lot of what the Giants could be looking for when 722 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: you think about that versatility to play a lot of 723 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: different roles, whether that's more of a split safety role 724 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: or you walk them down to the box let him play. 725 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: He can play on an island, you know. Michael Pennix 726 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: then throw a lot of interceptions this year. One of 727 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 2: those was against Jayden and Hicks where he was lined 728 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: up Mono Imano against the slot receiver. So he can 729 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: do a lot of things where he's that intimidating presence 730 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: because he is six two two and fifteen pounds, but 731 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 2: he also has enough speed where he can do some 732 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: things and coverage. So I'm a big Jayden Hicks fan, 733 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: I think if you're looking at versatility in different ways, 734 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: he can help the Giants I think would be interested 735 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: in that. Tyler Nuban obviously is a name I think 736 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: most fans are familiar with. Six one and a half 737 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: two hundred and five pounds. The testing wasn't great for him. 738 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 2: I think he's a better athlete on film. Now. He 739 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 2: did have a knee injury and maybe maybe that plays 740 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: a part into why the testing wasn't up to what 741 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: a lot of our expectations were. But you want a 742 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: guy that can find the football and go make a play. 743 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: I mean he's a former receiver and you can tell 744 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 2: he does receiver like things at the catchpoint. So thirteen 745 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: receiver or interceptions over the last four years, I think 746 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 2: that you're looking for that, that split safety. I mean, 747 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 2: you look at what Minnesota did on film. You see 748 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: a lot of cover two, you see quarters based, you 749 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: see you see a lot of what the Giants would 750 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 2: probably be looking to do this year. So Nuban would 751 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: would be a I think a natural fit. And then 752 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 2: same thing with Cole Bishop from Utah, who might hang 753 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 2: up with him. As much as I like his tape, 754 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 2: he's six two two o six ran outstanding time at 755 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 2: the combine. He was in the mid four fours. I 756 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 2: just wanted to see more impact level plays on film, 757 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: you know, like he'll, he'll make good tackles, he'll he 758 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: had a pair of interceptions, but there. I thought he 759 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 2: left some production on the field for a guy with 760 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 2: his range, with his intelligence, with his smarts. I just 761 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: wanted to see more impact plays and I didn't. I 762 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: thought the tape. I wanted to see more of that 763 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: from his tape, especially when you consider all the talent 764 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 2: and ability that he has. 765 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 3: All Right, let's jump down the defensive tackle. Who damn 766 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: he got about three four minutes left. Gihantys have a 767 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 3: bunch of big bodies, including Dexter Lawrence. If they're looking 768 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 3: for an athletic upfield three technique, obviously take Byron Murphy 769 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 3: and Johnny Newton out of the equation. 770 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: They're not going to be there when the Giants have 771 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: a chance to take them. 772 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 3: Who do you like to play that three technique role 773 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 3: on either Day two or maybe a little bit deeper 774 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 3: guy on Day three? Where I know this was supposed 775 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 3: to be a better top of the class defensive tackle group, 776 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: but it seems like in the mid rounds, it's pretty thick. 777 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 2: I really on day two. I really like these defensive 778 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 2: tackle class and especially if you looking for that three technique. 779 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins from Michigan. You know, he has a lot 780 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: of the ingredients that you're looking for to be that 781 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: one gapping go make a play, A really good athlete, 782 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: much different than style of defensive tackle than his dad was, 783 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 2: so he would fit. Mike Hall Junior from Ohio State, 784 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: who is undersized a little bit, and you do question about, okay, 785 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: can he hold up against the run, But he's very young, 786 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: He's still just twenty years old. The disruption is outstanding, 787 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: the quickness that he plays with, So I think you're 788 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: banking on him continuing to develop and grow a little 789 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: bit of an investment type of pick than some of 790 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: these other guys. Brandon Fisk from Florida State. I see 791 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: him even some people say, you know, maybe late first round. 792 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: That would be surprising to me because he's he's more 793 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 2: of a worker bee than a true impact player. But 794 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 2: you need those guys on your defensive line, and so 795 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 2: I think he's when you look at some of the 796 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 2: impact plays that he made this year for Florida State 797 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: on that defensive line. That the quickness that he plays with, 798 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 2: the violence in his hands, he can the motor doesn't quit. 799 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't matter against a run, against the pass, 800 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,919 Speaker 2: He's going to go make a play. So Fisk makes sense. 801 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: But if we're looking maybe more fourth round McKay Wingo 802 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 2: from LSU again undersize, six foot, two hundred and eighty 803 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 2: five pounds, but a tough guy to block. And at 804 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: the end of the day, when we're talking about defensive tackles, 805 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: give me the guys that hate to b block, and 806 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 2: I think McKay wingo fits in that category as well. 807 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think once you get into day three, 808 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 2: it does thin out a little bit. Fourth, fifth round, 809 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 2: then we're talking more Dwayne Carter from Duke. You know, 810 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: he's there's a lots to like about him. As a 811 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 2: mid round type of player, He's a potential fit. If 812 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: you're looking for maybe more of a boom bust, invest 813 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 2: in one of those guys in the fourth, fifth round. 814 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: Leonard Taylor from Miami six three and a half, three 815 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: hundred and five pounds, A good athlete. If you take 816 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 2: his ten best plays, you look at that and you 817 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 2: say Okay, this is a first round pick, right. The 818 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 2: body of work doesn't say first round pick. The body 819 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: of work says more day three. But if you're this 820 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: is why you have the coaches, right, and so why 821 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: you pay him all that money to coach these guys up? 822 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: And if Leonard Taylor hits, if he's able to reach 823 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 2: his full potential, he'll look like a steal after a 824 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 2: team drafts him in the fourth or fifth round. 825 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: All right, Dan, final question, when does this thing drop 826 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 3: off a cliff? 827 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: Right? 828 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 3: We've heard all throughout this process. I talked to Jim 829 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 3: Naggy and Eric Galco about it. How just the number 830 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 3: of guys available to them for these All Star Games 831 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 3: even was at an all time low because of the 832 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 3: extra COVID year because of Nil's And that means the 833 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 3: back end of this draft, it's gonna be the opposite next year, 834 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 3: by the way, when there's a bajillion guys in the sixth, fifth, sixth, 835 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 3: seventh rounds, When does this thing really fall off the 836 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 3: cliff and teams are going to have trouble even finding 837 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 3: people left on their boards to draft. You think on 838 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 3: Day three? 839 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: I think it differs by position. You know some positions 840 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 2: will stretch more corner wide receivers. There's more of those 841 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 2: guys in this draft. But yeah, offensive tackle will fall 842 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 2: off pretty quickly. I think defensive line as a whole. 843 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: I'm working on my seventh rounder right now, just finished it, 844 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 2: and I found that these defensive linemen were going earlier 845 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: and earlier, just because everyone wants defensive line depth, every 846 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: single team, and if you don't, it's one of those 847 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: positions you just can't wait on. You have to go 848 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: get them a little bit earlier because it's not a 849 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: position that's going to waigh around because every team's gonna 850 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 2: want to draft that position. So defensive line especially, I 851 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 2: think really both in the trenches, offensive line, defensive line, 852 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 2: those positions we're going to see them first round, but 853 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 2: then second round, third round, into the fourth. After we 854 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 2: get midway through the fourth, that's where I think it's 855 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 2: going to drop off both sides, offensive line, defensive line. 856 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 2: Then you know that to your point, it's something that 857 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 2: won't be as much of a problem or shouldn't be 858 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 2: as much of a problem next year with you know, 859 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: the COVID year going away and all of that, but 860 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 2: who knows. But then il on the transfer portal. It 861 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 2: just feels like a whole new ball game now with 862 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 2: the draft and how guys make their decisions about whether 863 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 2: or not to go pro. And so it'll be a 864 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: really interesting uh dynamic to college football as it continues 865 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: to evolve and they figure things out how it affects 866 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 2: the draft and how scouts approach it. So a lot 867 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 2: of things are evolving and kind of a work in 868 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 2: progress that'll alter how these next few drafts go. 869 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,280 Speaker 3: Do you want to give Giant fans a little tease 870 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 3: on what you uh what presence you're bringing them in? 871 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: They're in your seven round mack this week? 872 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 2: No. So I did a few trades, but not for 873 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 2: the Giants. I have them kind of sticking and picking. 874 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: I think so that they have three or six picks, right, 875 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 2: I believe that's whatever right now. 876 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: I think they have one every all round, but they 877 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: but they don't have one in the seventh. 878 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: Okay, right, yep. I have them going three offense, three defense, 879 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 2: which I expected to be more defensive heavy maybe going 880 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: into it, but it just the way the board played out, 881 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, okay, would they really pass on this 882 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 2: running back here? I don't think so. So they're they're 883 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 2: drafted in a running back in the third round. I 884 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 2: haven't taken a safety in the second and then some 885 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 2: some quality depth on day three, so I haven't gone yes, 886 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 2: split evenly fifty to fifty offense defense. I don't know. 887 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 2: If I'm a Giants fan. I'm happy with the way 888 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 2: their mock ends up, but I'm sure they'll be split 889 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 2: opinion on that, and I'm sure Giants fans will let 890 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 2: me know about it. 891 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: Dane, Always a pleasure, my friend. 892 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: We appreciate the time and good luck the rest of 893 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 3: the way, and enjoy the draft as your year worth 894 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 3: of work concludes, and then you get to start on 895 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. 896 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 2: Five pleasures on mine, John, Thank you, Always a pleasure. 897 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 3: Dan Brugler from The Athletic, thanks for joining us on 898 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 3: the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the 899 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 3: official bank of the Giants.