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Speaker 1: I am thrilled today to be joined by Charlie Sykes

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Speaker 1: Charlie Sykes was best known as a Wisconsin talk radio host.

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Speaker 1: He was a conservative. He was somebody who identified with

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. But Charlie Sykes, as it turned out,

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Speaker 1: was made up of some different material than Marco Rubio

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Speaker 1: and Ted Cruz and well everybody. He did not get

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Speaker 1: people who didn't get in line over this. It's important

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Speaker 1: to appreciate what makes them different. Today, Elon Musk and

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Speaker 1: his digital little likements are storming the halls of the

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Speaker 1: United States government. One has already resigned because of his

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Speaker 1: post celebrating eugenics, celebrating racism, hardcore stuff. One of them

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Speaker 1: is a nineteen year old named Big Balls. Here's this picture.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Sikes, for ten long years has said this was coming,

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Speaker 1: and Charlie Sykes was right. So it's my great pleasure

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Speaker 1: to bring you a good man, an honorable man, and

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Speaker 1: an honest man. A lot of you say what can

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Speaker 1: we do? Well, you can look at Charlie Sikes and

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Speaker 1: know the American character is a tough one and an

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Speaker 1: honest one, and you can emulate it. And if enough

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Speaker 1: of you do it, country's gonna be okay. Well, welcome everybody,

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Speaker 1: good evening. It's Steve Schmidt with the warning and we

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Speaker 1: have Charlie Sikes with us tonight, thrilled for that. Welcome everybody,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking time out here on this night

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Speaker 1: in America. We are living in a country and crisis

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Speaker 1: as you join and we get this conversation started, but

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Speaker 1: we are protected by the sheep field of the First Amendment,

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Speaker 1: one of humanity's greatest ideas.

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Speaker 2: And when you.

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Speaker 1: Think about the collapse of what we recognize as the

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Speaker 1: bulwarks against tyranny, against a a American fascism, whatever whatever

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Speaker 1: you wish to call it, the news media, corporate news

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Speaker 1: media is falling apart, collapsing. But as that glass is

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Speaker 1: makes it tough to makes it tough to talk. We

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Speaker 1: what I was saying is that when you think about

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Speaker 1: a glass against the wall and that shattered glass. As

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Speaker 1: long as it lands in a fertile soil of the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment, it's going to sprout new independent news organizations

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Speaker 1: that deliver a truth to the American people. And there's been,

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Speaker 1: there's been times within a living lifetime where the news

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Speaker 1: A newspaper, an underground newspaper being spread around, so the

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Speaker 1: truth gets out there. We hope this is one of

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Speaker 1: the ways. And we welcome everybody. We welcome a great

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Speaker 1: page tonight. Charlie Sykes, who never got in line with

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Speaker 1: any of this bullshit from day one, didn't have it

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Speaker 1: in them. And Charlie Sykes, when Donald Trump came down

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Speaker 1: the escalator, was standing in a vast, vast, vast formation

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Speaker 1: of people that said no way, no. However, and now

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Speaker 1: Charlie Sykes is all Loe, not all alone. We are

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Speaker 1: let me ask the first question, which is, if you're

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Speaker 2: Or would it be, and this would.

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Speaker 1: Be my preference for glory, it would be in the

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Speaker 1: over Gaza, as Trump has declared, and we remove it's

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Speaker 3: I figured he'd send them to Greenland after we invade

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Speaker 3: and take over Greenland. I mean, what else could we do? No, Actually,

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Speaker 3: before we started this, we're talking about the insanity of

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Speaker 3: I've been reading all these media accounts talking about you know,

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Speaker 3: our era. You know, another win for Donald Trump. I

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Speaker 3: entire core of Lickspittles in Congress going yes, yes, mister President,

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Speaker 3: that was a brilliant idea, Absolutely, America. First, let's cut

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Speaker 1: It's like the plot from the old Peter Falk movie

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Speaker 1: Let me just say to everybody listening, in a serious manner,

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Speaker 1: would be trillions of dollars. And so the man that

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Speaker 3: In the stupidest war ever.

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Speaker 1: Would immerse ourselves in a two thousand year land dispute

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Speaker 3: How about Marco Rubio putting out a state Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 3: you know who? You and I both remember old when

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Speaker 3: now he and and every single Democratic senator voted to

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Speaker 3: Now I'm also a waiting for all the protests, all

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Speaker 3: know that it's just too full of shit to take seriously,

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Speaker 3: co president Elon Musk. And so this is like today's distractions.

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Speaker 3: So what's tomorrow's distraction from this horrifically stupid, dangerous idea?

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Speaker 1: No, there's not, And so we're in a moment of

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Speaker 1: You see the total ineffectiveness of the United States Senate.

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Speaker 1: You would have to pinpoint that it's the collapse of

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Speaker 1: So they'll say, I'm gonna send money to Chuck Schumer's

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Speaker 2: And so what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you mentioned these things, and and you

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Speaker 3: conversation is. He is constantly everything is focused on him,

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Speaker 3: so that the task of the Democrats, I think is

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Speaker 3: going to be to challenge his hypocrisies and stuff. And again,

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Speaker 3: I mean we're like seventeen days into this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: how many days are we first day, here's the Party

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Speaker 3: of law and order that frees all of the rioters

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Speaker 3: that attack to the Capitol on January sixth. Every Democrat

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Speaker 3: in America should have been hammering, hammering, hammering that. But

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Speaker 3: the problem is he did something more outrageous the next day.

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Speaker 3: So I just think that the downstream damage is going

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Speaker 3: to people are going to start feeling in their lives.

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Speaker 3: If people think this is a fight in Washington, they'll

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Speaker 3: tune out. He wins. If they think it's a fight

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Speaker 3: about him destroying things that are going to affect their lives,

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Speaker 3: their children's lives, their parents' lives, their community. That I

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Speaker 3: think is where he can bring the fight.

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Speaker 1: So I think that where his vulnerability is is in

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Speaker 1: his arrogance and in his overreaching. And what nobody will

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Speaker 1: see in the instant is the second of apage before

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Speaker 1: it all starts to fall. Right, who picks up that

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Speaker 1: fall first sees it first?

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Speaker 2: Open question?

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Speaker 1: Right, But there is that moment of apagy, and it's unseen,

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Speaker 1: and it always happens when you are literally right at

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Speaker 1: the top and right after your assent has reached the top.

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Speaker 1: So there's really no evidence to suggest you're about to

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Speaker 1: start falling. But if you go out and you look

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Speaker 1: at the insanity of Gaza and a number of these

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Speaker 1: other things, you could make the argument that he's put

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Speaker 1: himself in that position very very early on.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see what We'll see what.

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Speaker 1: Happens in the in the weeks ahead, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be moving into unchartered territory. And I think I think

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats have to have to grapple with something,

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Speaker 1: which is that.

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Speaker 2: Vast elements of.

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Speaker 1: The federal infrastructure, by the time we get to the

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Speaker 1: end of the four years, are going to be gone.

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Speaker 1: You be gone right by the by the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, right, FBI, CIA, State Department. But the need

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Speaker 1: for these things won't have gone away. A lot of

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Speaker 1: these things were imagined into existence out of necessity and

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Speaker 1: lawfully created in the year of our Lord nineteen forty seven.

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Speaker 1: And there's a hungry kid out there, right and the

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Speaker 1: and the federal bureaucracy has created a delivery system of

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Speaker 1: a dollar from the taxpayer from Washington that passes through

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Speaker 1: many many hands, many hands by the time it gets

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Speaker 1: to those kids. Ena Baron is Steve Schmidt ani semitic. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually converting to judaism Ina that that dollar passes

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Speaker 1: through many hands. There are no hands for that dollar

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Speaker 1: to pass through. Four years from now, those institutions are

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Speaker 1: going to be gone, and the inefficiency of that passing

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Speaker 1: will be gone too, So there'll be an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: imagine the reinvention of the delivery of government services. But

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Speaker 1: the defense, the defense of things that are gone and

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Speaker 1: things that were perceived is not working and can't be saved,

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Speaker 1: is a big, big, big, big mistake for Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that we ought to recognize though, that

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Speaker 3: it's much easier to you to smash things in the

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Speaker 3: China shop than it is and the kinds of the

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Speaker 3: damage that's being done right now, I mean in real time,

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Speaker 3: I mean day by day. I was talking to somebody

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Speaker 3: who you know, works at NASA, and they're offering buyouts

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Speaker 3: to people at NASA. How do you reassemble that? I mean,

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Speaker 3: you have centuries of experience and expertise that are going

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Speaker 3: to be lost. This is a real challenge for the

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Speaker 3: entire nation. I mean, the damage that's being done is

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Speaker 3: in many ways irreparable. Not to mention the damage to

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Speaker 3: the rule of law, But can we just go back

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Speaker 3: to to to what I think is this vulnerability that

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Speaker 3: you put your finger on, which is the overreach the hubris,

503
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Speaker 3: you know, and you know you're talking about the apogy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why the Greeks had the story of Icarus.

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Speaker 3: You know, they flew too close to the sun, melted

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Speaker 3: his wings. This is the real I think danger at

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Speaker 3: the heart I mean, the danger at the heart of

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration is it is overweening hubris, the pride.

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Speaker 3: It means they're very, very dangerous, but it also means

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Speaker 3: they're vulnerable. And the fact that Donald Trump has turned

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Speaker 3: over so much much power to Elon Musk and Elon Musk,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no there's there's no you're a student

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Speaker 3: of history, there's no parallel, even remote parallel on American

514
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Speaker 3: history to what's happening right now. And this is a

515
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Speaker 3: real dilemma for Donald Trump. How does he get rid

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Speaker 3: of Elon Musk. He can fire anybody else, he can

517
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Speaker 3: get rid of anybody else. He can destroy JD. Vance,

518
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Speaker 3: He can't fire Jdvans. But he can destroy his political career.

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Speaker 3: He could flip Marco Rubio off like you know, like

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Speaker 3: like like Dandru. But Elon Musk now has a problem.

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Speaker 3: World's richest man, got his own culture personality, got his

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Speaker 3: fingers in all sorts of has his own power base.

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Speaker 3: And clearly Elon Musk does not give a shit about

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Speaker 3: embarrassing Donald Trump. He is not a team player. I mean,

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Speaker 3: right now they may be aligned that maybe having this

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Speaker 3: sort of you know, the romance is continuing, but as

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Speaker 3: you point out here, at some point, Elon Musk is

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Speaker 3: going to roll in and he's gonna have all all

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Speaker 3: of these you know, programs that he's about to destroy,

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Speaker 3: and you're going to have Look, Republicans are are cowardly,

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Speaker 3: they're spineless, but they are elected officials. And at some

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Speaker 3: point there's going to be a reality hit, right that

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Speaker 3: this is not fucking Twitter, this is the United States

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Speaker 3: of America, and there's got to be some point where

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump realizes this guy's a liability, this guy is

536
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Speaker 3: embarrassing me, this guy doesn't care about me, and of

537
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Speaker 3: course all Donald Trump cares about it him. So what

538
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Speaker 3: does he do? Steve? How does Donald Trump separate himself

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Speaker 3: from Elon Musk. When Elon Musk becomes too toxic or

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Speaker 3: too arrogant. You know, there can only be one Caesar.

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Speaker 3: There can only be one master of the universe, right,

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Speaker 3: these these these co presidency things don't work out. You

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Speaker 3: know you talked about Caesar in the end of the

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Speaker 3: Roman Republic. Well, they try to triumvirate for a while.

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Speaker 3: How long did the triumvirate? And before you had one emperor?

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Speaker 3: And at some point, whether it's a wopoly or whatever,

547
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Speaker 3: you're gonna end up with one. And it's not going

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Speaker 3: to be Elon Musk. But I don't know how that

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Speaker 3: drama plays out.

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Speaker 1: Old Chinese proverb two tigers can't live on same mountaintop.

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Speaker 3: The these guys are not tigers. I know tigers. I apologize.

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Speaker 1: The look yes, right, and so this is well, I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to back up for a second

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Speaker 1: because I'm seeing all these comments about that it's too

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Speaker 1: late to destruction. I just want I just want to.

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Speaker 1: I just want to share a short story. If you

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Speaker 1: go to Poland, you go to Warsaw, you go to

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Speaker 1: old town Warsaw, you walk in old town Warsaw, and

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Speaker 1: you took a kid there I took any of you

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Speaker 1: there and you did not know about World War two,

561
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Speaker 1: did not know that the Soviets and the Nazis turned

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Speaker 1: this to dust every brick when the world's first UNESCO

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Speaker 1: Heritage sites was restored, as if nothing ever happened. There's

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Speaker 1: a church, the cathedral in Warsaw. There was a great

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Speaker 1: symbol in the end of the Soviet era of national unity.

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Speaker 1: There's a sign in front of the church appealing to

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Speaker 1: young people to remember the moment when the church was

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Speaker 1: built fifty years ago and why it had to be

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Speaker 1: rebuilt for national unity. People forget, but we had a

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Speaker 1: civil war in this country thirty for a million people.

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Speaker 1: A million people were killed. This is there's been some hard,

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Speaker 1: tough days and times in this country, and misery beyond

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Speaker 1: the comprehension of our of our modern entitled, entitled age.

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Speaker 2: Right, like what what what?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: I hear Charlie saying, And this is there's a brutalism

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Speaker 1: to what I'm gonna say. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who voted for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Right. You can judge those people if you wish. You

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Speaker 2: can be.

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Speaker 1: Angry at them, rage at them, shout at them. It

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Speaker 1: will not convert any of them. But those people are

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Speaker 1: going to be a refugee of type. I need to

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Speaker 1: be welcomed into the next political movement when they face

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Speaker 1: the disappointment had on that. Hey, this guy lied to us,

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Speaker 1: this guy hurt us, hurt my business, hurt our family.

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Speaker 1: We believed in them, and is going to come from experience.

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Speaker 1: I don't in my life. Truth is, I really don't

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Speaker 1: interact with the federal government. I don't need anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you need a benefit, you need something just about to

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Speaker 1: impose misery. And so when people can't get the things

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Speaker 1: they're supposed to get and the hardship comes. And I

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Speaker 1: don't say this without empathy, but I can't stop the hardship.

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Speaker 1: The American people chose it with forty nine point nine

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote, and so there's going to be

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Speaker 1: rage anger in the American electorate. You said something at

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Speaker 1: the beginning that I absolute Donald Trump is in the

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Speaker 1: start of war. He ran on peace, We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: war and terrible tragedy and it can't be stopped. It

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Speaker 1: can only be seized at the earliest hour possible, which

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Speaker 1: means that the sooner the sooner, there's consequences. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: the trade war. He blinked, He blinked. It's all for show.

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Speaker 1: But and by the way, you can only cry wolf

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Speaker 1: so many times, right, so you just get laughed out

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Speaker 1: of the room. But if he did it, he would

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Speaker 1: have set off an inflationary cycle the likes of which

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Speaker 1: would have made Well Biden set off looked like nothing

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Speaker 1: was he.

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Speaker 3: This is the key I think to though, though, that

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Speaker 3: he did blink. And I think this is an interesting

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Speaker 3: point because Donald Trump, for all of the bluster, is

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Speaker 3: a coward. He's a little boy inside. And you notice

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Speaker 3: how often, and this is why his formula is, you know,

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Speaker 3: I will threaten something and then he'll run away and

615
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Speaker 3: claim victory. He will always claim victory and there will

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Speaker 3: be people who will always believe it. But watch how

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Speaker 3: he ran away from from that. And I think there's

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Speaker 3: jen in real time, there's you know, well, the way

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Speaker 3: he reacted to that terrible error disaster, you could tell

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Speaker 3: he was afraid that he was going to be blamed

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Speaker 3: for this. And you know, he just was flailing today

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Speaker 3: as this god thats the world is laughing at him.

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Speaker 2: What does he do?

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Speaker 3: He goes into the Oval office and he signs another

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Speaker 3: executive order, banning transgender athletes in high school. Okay, now,

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Speaker 3: why did he do that? Because he knows he has

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Speaker 3: change is subject to something popular. But I get to

628
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Speaker 3: the point about that, Donald Trump, you know, will blink

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Speaker 3: if there's pushback, and I think this is this is

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Speaker 3: the this is the test. And I'm thinking of I'm

631
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Speaker 3: trying to think of the the the people who were

632
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Speaker 3: running the numbers. If Donald Trump's approval rating is at

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Speaker 3: fifty two, fifty four percent, it's gonna be hard to stop.

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Speaker 3: But if his approval rating drops down to where, you know,

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Speaker 3: where gravity would normally have it, thirty ninety percent, then

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Speaker 3: I think that that's when you're going to start to

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Speaker 3: see that that trajectory begin to change. But this is

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Speaker 3: not a brave man. This is not a courageous man.

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Speaker 3: But again I'm not and I'm not saying he's not

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Speaker 3: dangerous because I am. I am afraid that he will

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Speaker 3: start a war, or that he will he will precipitate

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Speaker 3: something in order to distract attention, because he's not complex

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Speaker 3: in that particular way. But people should not despair about

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Speaker 3: our ability to make him fearful. You know, this is

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Speaker 3: the thing. He should be afraid of us we as

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Speaker 3: Americans should not be afraid of our government. That's what

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Speaker 3: I think feels so wrong about this moment that we

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Speaker 3: are afraid of a politician when the politician should be

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Speaker 3: shitting bricks about what we are going to do.

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Speaker 1: I think that So one of the things I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about that what I think is that happen

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Speaker 1: is that outside of the Washington organizations, I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about the Democratic Governors Association, but Governor Shapiro, Governor Moore,

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Speaker 1: Governor Whitmer, some of the major state governors I think

655
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Speaker 1: need to fund a political organization, and that political organization

656
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Speaker 1: needs to tap something immediately. Fox News refused anti Trump

657
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Speaker 1: political advertising in Washington, So somebody needs to lay down

658
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Speaker 1: an advertising buy of anti Trump advertising that's provocative on Comcast,

659
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Speaker 1: on CNN to see if there is any any rejection

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Speaker 1: of it that comes from those corporations right under threat

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Speaker 1: from the FCC or whatever. Governors have to assert. It's

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Speaker 1: got to be at a governor level right there, We're

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Speaker 1: going to say something, and they should run a two

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Speaker 1: track advertising campaign. First, one needs to be about America show,

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther, King Speaking Show, John Kennedy Show, FDR right,

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Speaker 1: lay out a track of words, right, not Chuck Schumer, right,

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Speaker 1: but the words right from this country's greatest leaders, and

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Speaker 1: remind the American people of something.

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Speaker 2: Right. JB.

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Speaker 1: Prisker is a billionaire, raised the governor of Illinois. Getting

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Speaker 1: the fucking game right. And by the way, you're worth

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Speaker 1: three billion dollars and you go and spend one hundred

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Speaker 1: million dollars. You shouldn't look for a slap on the back.

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Speaker 1: It's like everyone else spending one hundred and fifty, right,

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Speaker 1: it's nothing, It's a theoretical number.

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Speaker 2: Right, get in the game.

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Speaker 1: Organized, organizing the second thing And this is this is

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Speaker 1: what you said. There must be an effort aimed at

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Speaker 1: destabilizing the Trump regime. And that's what it is. And

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna say something. I've said this many

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Speaker 1: times on TV. Is the truest statement I've ever said.

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Speaker 1: And I try to say true statements. When I say true,

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Speaker 1: I mean it is deeply existentially true. It's about men.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: There is no flower in all the world that is

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Speaker 1: more delicate than the male ego. And the two most

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Speaker 1: delicate power of the most delicate flowers or the musk

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Speaker 1: and Trump pedals to.

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Speaker 3: The poem Steve Right, I love it.

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Speaker 1: There has to be advertising that Trump sees that causes

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Speaker 1: infighting and chaos and bureaucratic chaos. There has to be

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Speaker 1: an effort that makes the Trump administration fight itself, burns

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Speaker 1: up time, days, and energy, and there has to be

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Speaker 1: an effort. Right now, Democratic Party, what's your job is

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Speaker 1: to bear witness and take notes so that there is

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Speaker 1: an ethics package of reform on day one of your

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Speaker 1: restoration of power, so none of this ever happens again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the first thing, no, right, second second thing is

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Speaker 1: Democrats are going to have to come up with how

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Speaker 1: we reboot our national intelligence services, how we reboot the

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Speaker 1: Federal Bureau of Investigation? Do you even want to call

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Speaker 1: it the Federal Bureau of Investigation?

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Speaker 2: After we to the end, right to the end of

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Speaker 2: four of these four years.

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Speaker 1: So so there has to be that element because there's

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Speaker 1: not one big thing that was said in the in

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Speaker 1: the last election.

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Speaker 2: Right by any of the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 1: The reality in this moment is, uh, they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to do a lot of the things they said

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Speaker 1: they're going to do through executive power and until you

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Speaker 1: get to the law courts, you're you're not going to

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Speaker 1: have much stopping them now.

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Speaker 2: Just the price illusion.

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Speaker 3: Though to your strategy that you're talking about here, because

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree with anything you're saying. I think that

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Speaker 3: you need to have a top down you did the

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Speaker 3: governors do this, You need to have that advertising. But

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Speaker 3: a lot of people who are watching us right now,

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Speaker 3: I want to know what can I do? What can

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Speaker 3: we do? And and I think that there ought to

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Speaker 3: be an answer to that, and and and one of

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Speaker 3: the things that that while the big money is being

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Speaker 3: spent on these ads, everyone who's watching us has the

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Speaker 3: technology in their hands to do something to change, to

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Speaker 3: at least be part of the debate and the narrative.

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Speaker 3: And go back to what I said about put a

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Speaker 3: human face on this, and you don't know who it's

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Speaker 3: going to be, because I think again, these stories can

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Speaker 3: be viral. The courage can be contagious, you know, I

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Speaker 3: mean how many you know, if we have one person

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Speaker 3: that's staying ends up and says I am defying you,

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Speaker 3: you know, may inspire how many others. So what I'm

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying is that you know, tell your own story,

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Speaker 3: find someone else's story. You have that phone in your hand.

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Speaker 3: You have that picture, you can make that. You can

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Speaker 3: talk to the people in your in your circle of influence,

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Speaker 3: but also literally every person that we're talking to right

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Speaker 3: now can perhaps create some story of the pain that's

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Speaker 3: being caused. And a million people will see that by

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Speaker 3: the weekend. So don't wait for the governors to do it,

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Speaker 3: don't wait for somebody else to come down on top,

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Speaker 3: don't wait for the consultants to make that ad. They

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Speaker 3: need to do it, but you don't need to wait

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Speaker 3: it because I think that if people sit back and go, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what could I do? Can I call my congressman? Can

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Speaker 3: I write a letter? Okay, that's like nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 3: do all those things. But right now you need to

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Speaker 3: slip into the stream of influence, you know, and again

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Speaker 3: tell these stories, illustrate these stories. You and I are

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Speaker 3: doing something that didn't exist a few years ago. We're

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Speaker 3: having this conversation live. I'm in my basement, you're out west.

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm talking into my my my iPhone.

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Speaker 3: Everybody out there has the ability to do that. You

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Speaker 3: have some sort of a network. And again you may think, well,

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Speaker 3: I only have like one hundred followers on subseach or

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Speaker 3: I'm on you know, Instagram or whatever. Well, you just

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Speaker 3: never know when that one story, that one story of

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Speaker 3: that one child who has denied medical care, that one

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Speaker 3: story about someone who you know is injured and damaged

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Speaker 3: about this you know who is who's denied care because

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Speaker 3: of an abortion risk restriction. So these these things are

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Speaker 3: out there, and I guess part of me is like

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Speaker 3: waiting to see as it filters out. You know, what

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Speaker 3: is the reaction going to be when it's not just

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Speaker 3: flooding the zone with headlines. But again, I think that

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Speaker 3: one of the things in our in shitified world is

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Speaker 3: the worst people in the world have been empowered and platformed.

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Speaker 3: But that also means that the best people are also

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Speaker 3: empowered and platformed. And so I guess you ought to

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Speaker 3: ask yourself, what can I do? What story can I tell?

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Speaker 3: Who can I reach? And frankly, if you only reach

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty people, imagine being in a room

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Speaker 3: with one hundred and fifty people, you know, listening to

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Speaker 3: your story about what's going on. That's worth your time.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, I think people need to rethink

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Speaker 3: what they can do and realize that they have more

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Speaker 3: power than I think they imagine.

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Speaker 1: You're going to see I think overwhelmingly number of people

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Speaker 1: three thousand people, four and a half thousand people on this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I take a lot of the people looking

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Speaker 1: at that number right now, right a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to see enforcement actions right that,

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Speaker 1: they're going to see immigration enforcement.

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Speaker 2: Film it and stand your ground.

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Speaker 1: It's legal for you to film it.

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Speaker 3: George Floyd, the story of I'm sor I'm sorry you

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Speaker 3: hit me worked up? Now? What what was the George

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Speaker 3: Floyd story all about? You know, it was about people

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Speaker 3: standing around and what could they do? They could record

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Speaker 3: it exactly as you say. They recorded it, and it

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Speaker 3: really changed the nature of our debate every and and

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing that every person that recorded that the death

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Speaker 3: of George Floyd, nobody thought that when they got up

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Speaker 3: that morning, I Am going to do one of the

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Speaker 3: most influential things in America today.

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Speaker 1: Every day in the newspaper, there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: story of somebody doing something courageous and holding their post.

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Speaker 1: There is the story of the FBI, and he's the

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Speaker 1: head of the New York office, who basically has an

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Speaker 1: acting position running the agency when they came to do

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Speaker 1: the purge. He basically said, some version to get the

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Speaker 1: fuck out of here, right, and we're following the law

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again. We're going to see

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Speaker 1: those people spread those stories around. Yes, it is extremely

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Speaker 1: important when you are talking to young people. I just

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Speaker 1: want to yell at them, right, especially by right. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're doing things and smashing things is

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Speaker 1: not doing things, even if it's a productive thing. Because

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Speaker 1: our system exists in a harmony. Right, So they will

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Speaker 1: announce we found some outrageous whatever, and it's like, maybe,

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Speaker 1: but that's the Congress's job. And we have a Congress

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Speaker 1: because we don't want an Elon, right.

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Speaker 2: We don't wanna We don't.

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Speaker 1: Wanna Elon anymore than than the Athenians. Why I write

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Speaker 1: or running and wanted a Kleon. We we have a

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Speaker 1: demagogue who has risen to the presidency, and so.

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Speaker 2: We have a uh.

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Speaker 1: We have a big, diverse country, thousands of miles across.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: What Charlie is saying, I think, Plus, you never know

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Speaker 1: one hundred people two hundred, you know how it all goes, right?

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Speaker 1: Who that person under three hundred is ten thousand, And

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Speaker 1: in the end.

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Speaker 2: What we want to do.

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Speaker 1: To see it rain, and the rain is a rejection

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Speaker 1: of this by it becoming unpopular, and it becomes unpopular,

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Speaker 1: and it will become unpopular. Yeah, right, and that's when

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Speaker 1: we have to that's when we have to have hopefully

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Speaker 1: a a.

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Speaker 2: Response there.

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Speaker 1: But right now, the governors, the groups of money and

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Speaker 1: advertising need to be in the fight at that level.

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Speaker 1: The vulnerable Republicans need to be need to be confronted

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Speaker 1: immediately in their in their districts. Right, they'd say they

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Speaker 1: have they have a miserable life. Right, foreign between Trump

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Speaker 1: and and their voters should make it more miserable. Go

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Speaker 1: to your local political party meetings. The Democratic Party does

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Speaker 1: not belong to a small group of people.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, like I think, you know again, what

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Speaker 3: can people do? So I was saying two days ago,

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Speaker 3: my nephew, who is not political at all, does not

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Speaker 3: have any platform, sends me an email and says, hey,

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Speaker 3: I have a friend that I know. He and his

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Speaker 3: wife work for one of the agencies, and they've been

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Speaker 3: circulating this letter about what's what's happening. And I said, well,

848
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Speaker 3: ask him if he would send it to me, send

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Speaker 3: it to me. I published it in my newsletter. But

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Speaker 3: you could anyone can do that. So if you know

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Speaker 3: a story, have them send it to Steve, have them

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Speaker 3: send it to me, Have ing send it to the Atlantic,

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Speaker 3: have him send it to The New York Times, call

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Speaker 3: up your local television station. Figure out a way to

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Speaker 3: do this. And you know, and part of it is

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Speaker 3: that you don't know who right now in this world.

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Speaker 3: You don't know who's reading it and seeing it. You

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Speaker 3: don't know who might change their mind. But again, you know,

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Speaker 3: we have to this has we need to. This is

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Speaker 3: going to be in our face for the next four

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Speaker 3: years and we're going to have to change the dynamic

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Speaker 3: of this. And you mentioned, Look, you and I have

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Speaker 3: no faith in Republicans doing the right thing at all.

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Speaker 3: We've done this shit for so long. But these guys

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Speaker 3: have to run for reelection. They are senators, and they

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Speaker 3: are caught in between a rock and a hard place.

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Speaker 3: We need to make that rock harder. We need to

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Speaker 3: increase the pain on them because right now they're only

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Speaker 3: afraid of Donald Trump. That's the formula, see, and that's

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Speaker 3: where you specialize, see, is you have to find a

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Speaker 3: way to balance out if fear is the only thing

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Speaker 3: that motivates them. Okay, that's the game. Then okay, if

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Speaker 3: appealing to their better nature doesn't work, as we've seen,

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Speaker 3: you know, we keep thinking if we just appealed to

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Speaker 3: Tom Tillis's conscience, if you just appeal to the better

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Speaker 3: angels of Susan you know Collins, well you know, fuck that,

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Speaker 3: because it's not it's never gonna happen. They have to

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Speaker 3: be afraid, right, and so that's that's got to be

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Speaker 3: one of our goals.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you have Do you think she can

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Speaker 2: go down this time? Who Susan Collins? She's in she's

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Speaker 2: in psychle.

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Speaker 3: You tell me. I don't know. I can't tell you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Like I look at the map, but I I just

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Speaker 1: look at these last couple of weeks, we're coming up

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Speaker 1: on our hour. But I I uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think that one of the one of the comments

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Speaker 1: that I saw is where the Democratic billionaires? And I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know the answer to that question. But

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Speaker 1: if you have one party that's filled with people like

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, right, that'll spend three hundred million, and it

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Speaker 1: just doesn't exist on the other side particularly now that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a big problem. The the story of America

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Speaker 1: is in the hands of the Democratic Party right now.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's true, and it's in the hands of Chuck Schumer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want Chuck Schumer to have that money.

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Speaker 1: I want that money to be in the handed to

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Speaker 1: people who want to give the ball to Steven Fielberg

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Speaker 1: and Tom Hanks to produce sea ads to tell the

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Speaker 1: story of America.

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Speaker 2: Right and so there there's a big campaign.

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Speaker 1: Problem, and we'll see how it plays out. I think

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Speaker 1: that you know, I was reading a lot of stories

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Speaker 1: about the Democrat National Committee election. You know, someone in Politico,

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Speaker 1: you know, talk about how great it was for Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not I'm not on board, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be shouted down again right about

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Speaker 1: that you can't talk about, for example, you know, the

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Speaker 1: obvious around like Joe Biden's health and.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's the danger is that we know about

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Speaker 3: the bubble on the right. You know, my advice to

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Speaker 3: people here, don't fall into a bubble, because you've seen

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Speaker 3: the damage that it causes when you refuse to listen

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Speaker 3: to people telling you that you're about to hit the iceberg.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's that's really important, fight against that

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Speaker 3: that bubble, because there are a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: are paid to tell you things that are just not true,

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Speaker 3: to keep the truth from you. And I think the

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Speaker 3: results have been catastrophic, and I think you're referring to that.

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Speaker 1: Catastrophic is the word. I want to give Charlie the

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Speaker 1: last word tonight to say whatever he wants to talk about,

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Speaker 1: reading the comments as would come in. I just want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you to everybody for and a hex

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Speaker 1: thousand people here on a midweek night just shows that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people care about their country, are involved

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Speaker 1: in civics our communities. You know, please reach out, you

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Speaker 1: have something you want to say, uh we will you know,

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Speaker 1: publish them and and do it. I'm thrilled to have

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Speaker 1: Charlie with us, and I just want to close by

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Speaker 1: saying it's really important that you have an appreciation for

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Speaker 1: this moment by appreciating the resolve of.

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Speaker 2: The people have come before us.

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Speaker 1: And I think think that the most important speech that

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Speaker 1: could get any of you to listen to is the

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Speaker 1: last speech that Martin Luther King ever delivered, and in

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Speaker 1: that speech, Martin Luther King goes on a tour of history.

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Speaker 1: He imagines that God has allowed him to go to

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Speaker 1: ancient Egypt and to ancient Rome and Greece. And King says,

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Speaker 1: after surveying all these places, that he chooses to live

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Speaker 1: in his time because if he has stayed there, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in Selma, he wouldn't have been in Birmingham,

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have been in any of these places. And

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Speaker 1: he needed to be in those places. And he talked

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Speaker 1: about his life. He was thirty nine years old, and

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Speaker 1: he said that he wanted to have a long life.

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Speaker 1: And really at thirty nine, I say this as someone

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Speaker 1: who's fifty four and to be thinking about having a

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Speaker 1: long life nine right, or a short one. But he

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Speaker 1: was old, biden head of his time, and he wanted

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Speaker 1: to have a long life. He said, longevity has its purpose.

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Speaker 1: But none of that matters now because I've been to

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Speaker 1: the mountaintop. And he describes what he sees from the

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Speaker 1: mountaintop and he doesn't tell us when we'll get there,

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Speaker 1: just that we will, just that he's seen it. And

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Speaker 1: the next day doctor King is dead. And on that

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Speaker 1: night Robert Kennedy gives the most important stemporaneous speech in

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Speaker 1: American history. It's about politics and it's about love. And

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Speaker 1: this is how Trump is defeated in the end right

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Speaker 1: by the better angels. And you can read about the

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Speaker 1: better angels, which is that at the end of a

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Speaker 1: civil war where eight hundred thousand people, a million people,

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Speaker 1: upwards a million people, they don't really know how many

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Speaker 1: people got killed in the Civil War. And Abraham Lincoln

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Speaker 1: talks about the better angels of our nature. He talks

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Speaker 1: about with charity towards them all.

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Speaker 2: And so with that, let me.

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Speaker 1: Turn it over to Charlie Sykes and just say to

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Speaker 1: all of you, thank you so much for coming out.

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Speaker 1: I hear the comments that said I talked too much.

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Speaker 1: I'll do better next time, but we have with us tonight,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so thrilled again, Charlie, thank you. One of

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Speaker 1: the toughest, one of the most principles, one of the

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Speaker 1: most decent, best guys in the country, and he never

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Speaker 1: ever ever got in line with this. And so that's

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Speaker 1: why it's important to give Charlie Sykes the left.

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Speaker 3: Well, see, I cannot follow that eloquence except I want

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Speaker 3: to quote something that I heard you say a few

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Speaker 3: years ago when you said we have to assemble a

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Speaker 3: coalition of the decent, and I think the coalition of

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Speaker 3: the decent still exists. It is out there. It may

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Speaker 3: be under a cloud at the moment, but I'm just

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Speaker 3: going to finish with the most important things for the

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Speaker 3: many people who are listening to you right now. You

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Speaker 3: are not alone, and you are not the crazy ones,

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Speaker 3: and I think that you need There's a difference between

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Speaker 3: hope and optimism. Optimism is the belief that everything is

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Speaker 3: going to get better. Hope is the belief that know

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Speaker 3: that if we fight, if we work, we can make

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Speaker 3: things better. So we need to be hopeful and to

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Speaker 3: realize that this is going to pass. But we are

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Speaker 3: not isolated and we are not beaten, and that there

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Speaker 3: is a fundamental decency in this country that is sometimes

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Speaker 3: hard to recognize right now, but it's there and we

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Speaker 3: have to hope for that coalition of the decence. So

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Speaker 3: thank you, Steve. I appreciate very much your invitation today.

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Speaker 1: You bet everybody good night, and remember, they want you

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Speaker 1: to be afraid employed the George Costanza Seinfeldt strategy. Do

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Speaker 1: the opposite. They want you to be afraid. Do not

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Speaker 1: be afraid. They want you to be angry. Do not

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Speaker 1: be angry. The last thing that you can do is laugh.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And so tomorrow morning, part your day was some Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Kimmel from tonight. You can tape it. I'm long in bed,

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Speaker 1: but I promise you will hear an effective fighting response.

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Speaker 1: It will make you laugh. Send it around. No where

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Speaker 1: to laugh, no when to cry, No when to stand

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Speaker 1: your toes on that line and not back up. And

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Speaker 1: that's where we are see you next time. I'm Steve Schmidt.

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Speaker 1: This is the warning, and I invite you to join.

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