1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Oh hi, 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: I can't say that I didn't know you were going 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: to be here. After all, we are experimenting in the 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: studio right now with psychic powers, not psychedelics. No, no, 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: no no, that's an entirely different actual study that you 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: can partake in with psychedelics and the mind. But this 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: one we just wanted to see who was going to 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: show up and listen to this episode. So thanks for 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: being here. We knew you'd be here, whoever you are. 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: My name is Ben, and I'm Mat and we're here 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: with our super producer, Noel, our mascot, who is a 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: skeleton named after Agents Scully and the X Files, which 15 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: makes this ladies and gentlemen stuff they don't want you 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: to know. But hey, even if you were psychic, you 17 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: might have already known that. Yeah, that's true, you already 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: know all the things we're about to say, which has 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: got to be a real hassle. When you're doing small 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: talk at dinner parties and stuff, you know, you can 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: see the night stretching before you if that is indeed 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: the way that psychic powers work. So let's open up 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: today's podcast with a story about a scientist named Emmanuel 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: Swedenborg or would that be Sweidenborg. You know, I'm not 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: sure man, Well, Swedish listeners can correct us if and 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: let us know if it is Feedenborg or Swedenborg. But 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: point being this guy tremendously influential scientists, philosopher um and 28 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: also a theologian and mystic. He believed that he had clairvoidabilities, 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: and so did many of his friends. Who was born 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: in six so at the age of sixty three he 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: began to experience these dreams and these visions, culminating in 32 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: what became for him a religious experience and epiphany. But 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: you can hear various different stories about speed and Borg's predilections. Here. 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: One of my favorites as something I read as child 35 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: in a series of time life books that maybe only 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: three or four of you guys listening will remember that 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: is Mysteries of the Unknown. Nice you remember these, It 38 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: sounds so familiar, though I don't know that I can 39 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: pinpoint a single story or issue. Well, you and I 40 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: were working together a while back, Gosh, this must be 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: maybe three or four years ago now, and I caught 42 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: a wild hair. I went back on eBay after watching 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: a commercial from you know, the late eighties early nineties 44 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: about these books on YouTube. I I ordered all of them. 45 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: I hunted every single issue book down and I had 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: the complete set. It was a childhood dream come true. 47 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: And in one of those books. All of these books 48 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: have titles that will drive the more skeptical members of 49 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: our audience wild with rage, things like mystic Places, psychic power, 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: psychic phenomena, and many of these seem related, they overlap, 51 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: but whatever, I love these things, Matt. And one of 52 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: the stories I read in a book called Psychic Powers, 53 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: had this party. It was like a dinner party in 54 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: town in Sweden, and one of the guests there, all 55 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden got up, walked out, was increasingly distressed, 56 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: walked back in the room and said that a fire 57 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: was consuming his neighbor's house and that it was going 58 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: to consume his own house as well, and he knew 59 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: it with certitude. The people in the you know, in 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: the room with him, of course, reacted a bit skeptically 61 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: because at this time there was no way this man, 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Swedenborg could know that a fire was consuming his 63 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: house they were far away from his place of residents. 64 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: Allegedly it was true. So what Sweet Speeding Board claimed 65 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: to have experienced here and in other instances was clair 66 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: a voyance, which is a I don't know, um kind 67 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: of inner side I guess, yeah, sure, we could just 68 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: say clairvoyance is anytime you're aware of something that happens 69 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: far away, either in the time frame or in spatial difference. Um. Allegedly, 70 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things that are called 71 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: psychic powers, which, like you said, makes the lights go 72 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: off in a skeptically minded person because well, there haven't 73 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: really been any psychic power has proven as of yet. 74 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: Right now you already know what a psychic power is 75 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: if you're listening to this show. It's an umbrella term 76 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: for several different kinds of alleged abilities. So he said 77 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: one would be clairvoyance. What's another one, man, Well, telekinesis moving, 78 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: being able to move something physical with your brain somehow. Uh, 79 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: then there would be telepathy, being able to hear people's thoughts. 80 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: I think I forget what they call it, but it's 81 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: a form of pyrotechnics where you can use, you can 82 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: create fire pronesis thank you. Um. Then there would be 83 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: what's the one where you're able to, oh, psychometry, where 84 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: you would be able to touch something right and learn 85 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: things about orbit yea, absorbits youah, absorbed, the memory surrounding 86 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: it and stuff. I like to think a lot of 87 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: these as being able to if it were one day 88 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: to be proven scientifically somehow that there is some kind 89 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: of uh, quick leap into a fourth or fifth dimensional 90 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: understanding that like if a third dimensional being could just 91 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: understand it momentarily or something some kind of slip in 92 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: that reality I guess, or in that constraint on perception. 93 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: So maybe something like climbing a little bit higher into 94 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: the fourth dimension just for a second to see the 95 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: flat circle that is time, or something like sure, yeah, 96 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: that's the only way in my head that I could 97 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: imagine it ever becoming an actual thing that was proven. Yeah, 98 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 1: And there's some there's some interesting things will get into 99 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: here as well about the nature of perception itself. But 100 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's better to call this stuff non linear perception 101 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: because it's still experienced through the framework of other human senses, right, 102 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: Like what happens when you have a vision yeah, you 103 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: it's almost a dream like experience from what I've read, right, yeah, 104 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: And everybody has had a dream before. So you encounter 105 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: these senses or these experiences through the same sensory inputs 106 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: that you inarguably possessed today. You if you are speedinborg, 107 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: you hear the fire, you see it burning, you feel 108 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: the temperature, you hear the screams, and so on. It's 109 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: just not in a way that most scientists would argue 110 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: is based in your perception of the facts, right, Yeah, 111 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: And that's why mainstream science considers these kinds of psychic 112 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: powers or purported powers, and even research into these powers 113 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: as just kind of bunk, and they're dismissed unfortunately or fortunately, 114 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: depending on how you think about it. But there are 115 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things that are, let's say attributed that 116 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: these things are attributed to. One would be a misattributed cause, 117 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: So having some kind of seizure or something with your brain, 118 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: a neurological issue that causes you to experience something differently 119 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: than how you imagine it, or you imagine it differently 120 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: than how it actually is. Sure, there's also the idea 121 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: of myss true being a psychic power to a mundane cause, 122 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: such as you know, maybe you had earlier heard some information, 123 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: but you got you heard it, but you retained the information. 124 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're reading someone's mind, but where 125 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: you're the only mind you're reading really is your own. 126 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: And you know that's similar to the idea about UFOs 127 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: being weather balloons. Right, And for some reason you get 128 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: a small concussion and become unconscious for a few moments, 129 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: and in that that time frame where you're unconscious, which 130 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: would only be a few seconds, you you know, your 131 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: brain inspiring so rapidly. It's happened to me before where 132 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: I was unconscious just for a moment, but I felt 133 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: like I had dreamed for a night or days even 134 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: um and the things that I saw and heard felt 135 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: real to me, but in reality, it was just a 136 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: moment where my brain kind of rebooted. And then there's 137 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: also sloppy science, right. Sure, you can look at in 138 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: experimentations if there were poor controls over certain things, or 139 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: maybe there was a confirmation bias in one of the 140 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: researchers that wanted to prove that it's true. You could 141 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: even look at flawed methodology. There are all kinds of 142 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: things that could go wrong inside an experimental setting, right 143 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: with the best of intentions. And this brings us to 144 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: the idea of the third the third pillar that mainstream 145 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: science typically uses to dismiss psychic powers, which might be 146 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: one of the more fun ones for a lot of people, 147 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: the idea of active deception. Oh yeah, you've got to 148 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: love the swindlers and the Charlatan's I always think of 149 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: in particular, and nothing against the guy, but Uri Geller 150 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: and some of the parlor trick mental gymnastics that he 151 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: would do on stage for people, and like what the 152 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: whole bending of the spoon thing. There were a couple 153 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: instances where he could, you know, tell you about your 154 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: you're dead loved one or something, and you know the 155 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: using cold reading and other techniques like this. We've seen 156 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: that it's just something that anyone can do if you 157 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: learn the techniques. Yeah, so cold reading would be noticing 158 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: the minute reactions, typically unconscious, that people have when you're 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: speaking to them, which is why sometimes when you will 160 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: see self professed mediums like the Long Island Medium or 161 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: what was that guy's named, John Edwards specially dead Yeah, yeah, 162 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: to show for a little while, you'll see them, guess 163 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: with some pretty open ended things and intently studying the 164 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: other person. But despite the dismissal of the mainstream scientific 165 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: world visa VI psychic powers, mainstream America take psychic powers 166 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: as a four granted fact of life from guy. Great 167 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: statistic for you here. Yes, six of them at least 168 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: believe that it is true. They believe at least one 169 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: type of psychic power is real. And this sort of 170 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: stuff drives the really zealous, self righteous types of skeptics 171 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: crazy and matt. They can't seem to understand that no 172 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: matter how rude or loud or bullish they are to people, 173 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: those people still don't seem inclined to agree with them. Yeah, 174 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough stance to be hard lined. 175 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm you know, I'm playing a little 176 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: bit because there's a touchy subject for people. But the 177 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that if you are if 178 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: you are rude or smug or you know, condescending to people, uh, 179 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: then you have to ask yourself if you're really trying 180 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: to persuade them um to change their opinion or evolve it. 181 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: Because often and listeners, skeptics, true believers like you guys 182 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: know that Matt and I spent a lot of time 183 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: on the Internet reading forums from people who say things 184 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: that I will just go out and say, you're bonkers. 185 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: And then and then people who UM say things that 186 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: are you know, that are that are clearly clearly possible? 187 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Right uh? And and on both sides of that spectrum 188 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, one thing that crops up is 189 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: that people often have a UM, a bizarrely contentious emotional 190 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: stake in it. And regardless of whether you consider yourself 191 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: a skeptic or someone who has unlocked the hidden mysteries 192 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: of the psychic mind, we can tell you that the 193 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: way to persuade people is to have a conversation with them. 194 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: No one you know, no, Okay, well, first, no one 195 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: wins an argument on the internet. We know that, and uh, 196 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: and we also know that UM. The implication is is 197 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: only that something happened to them in their childhood and 198 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: they're mad about it and they want it to be 199 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: your fault. And with that in mind, then we have 200 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: to say this um, and we're not going seriously, there 201 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: has been no comprehensively except the scientific validation of any 202 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: kind of these psychic powers, or let's call them like 203 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: you said nonlinear perceptions. Yes, there have been approximately well, 204 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: by which we mean exactly zero. And what do we 205 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: mean though, you see, you hear all those qualifying terms 206 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: comprehensively accepted or universally accepted validation of this scientific validation, 207 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: scientific validation, So something that we could quantify that could 208 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: be empirical. For such a test to be accepted, it 209 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: would have to conform to some very rigorous methodology. And 210 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: you know, a point that becomes sticky sometimes is this 211 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: idea that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which I'm on 212 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: board with. Um it Also, it's also something that you 213 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: hear often when um, someone is making a controversial claim 214 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: because this is such a third rail in in scientific 215 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:07,239 Speaker 1: fields that often just asking the question would be dangerous 216 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: for your career. Yeah, that could invalidate anything else you 217 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: want to do to study. Yeah, which is to me 218 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: a really sad and um. You know, it says a 219 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: lot of things about the state of current society, and 220 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: not many of them are good. Yeah, it means the 221 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: boundaries of a lot of these things won't get pushed, 222 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: but it is I do however, with that being said, 223 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: I do agree with the idea that if there is 224 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: something that is extraordinary or or up to this point unproven, 225 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: then yeah, get the paperwork right, get the evidence, compile 226 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: the data, and and another thing. Speaking of this paperwork 227 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: and compiling data, this I think is maybe the most 228 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: important point for any test of psychic powers to be 229 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: universally accepted, to be something that people at M I 230 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: T and Harvard and um people well, well, most people 231 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: aren't reading M I T and Harvard press releases for 232 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: something that John Stewart would talk about on the Daily Show. 233 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: For for it too gain some kind of credibility, it 234 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: would need to be reproducible. And what what do we 235 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: mean when we say that, Well, you'd have to be 236 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: able to have an independent group of people take your methodology, 237 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: your study, and reproduce it to the t in a 238 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: completely separate setting with different people. Um, maybe they'd use 239 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: the same variables and everything, um, but you'd have to 240 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: be able to get the exact same result. Like That's 241 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: a that's a very very reasonable thing to ask, and 242 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: I think it's crucial and unfortunately, uh, it has not 243 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: to our knowledge from everything we could find, it has 244 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: not happened yet. And we have talked about psychic powers 245 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: of various types. Right now, we looked at psychotronics and 246 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: the USSR's attempts to figure out what the heck is 247 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: going on, if there's anything going on, and then Projects 248 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: star Gate in the US trying to make psychic soldiers 249 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: with all various different types of psychic abilities. Right, and 250 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: this has all been uh, this has all been skull 251 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: duggery so far. So to be fair, there's a lot 252 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: of stuff there that's still classified. But today we're gonna 253 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: be talking about a very specific type of alleged psychic power. 254 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: It is called clairvoyance. So, Matt, what what is that really? Well, 255 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: it's several things. Uh. One of them is precognition. That's 256 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: the ability to see into the future, to tell when 257 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: something's going to happen and to whom. Um. Then you've 258 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: got retro cognition, which is the ability to look into 259 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: the past and see something that maybe nobody else would 260 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: have been able to see something a private moment, let's say. 261 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: So an example of that would be, Uh, somebody is 262 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: walking through a field in I don't pick a country, Yugoslavia. 263 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: So I was walking through field in Yugoslavia and all 264 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: of the sudden they are struck with this vision of 265 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: a peasant running out of the woods into a into 266 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: the field, and let's say it's the same field, and 267 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: then digging a hole and putting a sack of coins 268 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: in there, and they walk a little further, they see 269 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: the field and they walk right to where the coins 270 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: are and they dig them up. That would be retrocognition. Absolutely. 271 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I've heard it used a lot of times when someone 272 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: experiences the death of someone who perhaps died of violent death, 273 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: and they were able to relive that moment to find 274 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: out who the killer was. I mean, that sounds like 275 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: a horrible power, but it does crop up in fiction fiction. 276 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: It happens all the time. Then the third one is 277 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: remote viewing, and this is the one that US and 278 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union both looked into pretty heavily. And that's 279 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: the ability to, uh, to imagine a place that that someone, 280 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: let's say you're higher up, wants you to imagine where 281 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: some hostages are being held. And you don't know where 282 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: that place is. Nobody knows where that place is on 283 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: your team, But you can write, just by writing a 284 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: little sketches down on a piece of paper, you visualize 285 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: the thing and somehow or another you were able to 286 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: almost astray, project yourself to where that place is, draw 287 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: a picture of it, and then you can help your 288 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: team find the guys. And you know, there's uh, there's 289 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: a lot to be said about that, which will we'll 290 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: say a little bit later because someone interrupt the flow here. 291 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: But just think of men new stereo goats that film, Yeah, 292 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: and watch it if you haven't. It's pretty fun. There's 293 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: one more, Yes, the final one is the ability to 294 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: communicate with the dead whatever that means, right, yeah? What 295 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: what does what does that mean? Exactly? I mean, come on, 296 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: we we just talked about it earlier. Who who's the 297 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: Long Island medium? The Long Island people who can just 298 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: tell you what your grandfather is thinking right now? Yeah, 299 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: And that offends quite a few people when they see 300 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: a medium as some sort of snake oil salesman, right uh, 301 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: and believe that they're exploiting the folks that they're claiming 302 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: to help. Yeah, anytime there's money exchanged for that kind 303 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: of service. Um, frowny face is what I would say 304 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: to me. This is this is the one that I 305 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: am the absolute most skeptical about ever happening. And and 306 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I'll say why a little bit later, but we should 307 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: go ahead and differentiate between one other thing. Many people 308 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: confuse clair avoyance, the alleged experience of clairvoyance, with the 309 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: very real experience of deja vu. Oh yeah, deja vu 310 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: is a real thing. Uh. The let's say, the things 311 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: that happen in our lives tend to pete themselves, at 312 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: least in small variations. Right walking by a storefront and 313 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: seeing a thing cat maybe, or walking by and seeing 314 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: someone in a certain place because that person frequents that 315 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: place very often. And there's always the woman in the 316 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: blue dress with the yellow uh summer hat. Sure, whatever 317 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: you know, and you it's one of those things that's 318 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: tough too to throw away. As Hey, this is just 319 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: completely bunk because a lot of people experienced deja vu. 320 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty certain that you have experienced de ja vu. Listener, yes, 321 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: and perhaps maybe experiencing it at this very moment. But 322 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: what is time? Time? Time? There's another thing that many 323 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: many people have had experiences with, and it's the following. So, Matt, 324 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: let's say you have a dream, tell me tell me 325 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: about this stream. Well, in this dream, I am jogging 326 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: on a treadmill and I am standing on the treadmills 327 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: on top of a building in a city that I 328 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: don't know exactly where it is, but I'm very familiar 329 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: with it. Uh. And down on the street, I see 330 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: all of these cars going extremely fast on this highway 331 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: and there are no other cars. They're just it's this 332 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: one group of cars and they're all going the same 333 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: direction down this highway, traveling in like a pod or 334 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they just stop. They just stop, 335 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: and there's a light at the very front of all 336 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: the cars flash like a traffic lighter. It's not it's 337 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: not traffic. It's almost this glowing blue light that happens. 338 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: And my treadmill, my treadmill like stops working. So let's see. 339 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: You have that dream and you remember specifically the moment 340 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: where you look down you see the pod of cars 341 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: move being the bright light, the blue glow rather uh, 342 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: And then your treadmill stops working, and you don't think 343 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: about it, but this image stays with you, right and later, 344 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: I guess later in the sense of line or time, 345 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: and this stuff is true. Then a week, two weeks, 346 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: a year, twenty years, you're on a treadmill, you're in 347 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: a tall building, and you look down and you see 348 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: how that's weird, just a couple of cars, and then 349 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: party goes way as you feel you can almost you 350 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: feel happening. It's the very tip of your tongue sensation 351 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: where you're about to just name the future before it 352 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: occurs for you. And even if it doesn't come all 353 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: the way to fruition, like the blue light doesn't happen, 354 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: the treadmill stops or anything, still, that feeling of familiarity 355 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: is what you would consider deja vu. Yeah, and I 356 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: don't want to invalidate anybody's experiences here, even if I 357 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: will say that if you leave that you have the 358 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: power to communicate on a routine, consistent basis with the dead, 359 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: then you should contact uh, you should contact people among 360 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: the living who could help you learn more about this ability, 361 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: because you would you could be the first person proven 362 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah, it would mean probably a lot 363 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: of lab time, but it would be for the greater 364 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: good of everyone. So we talked about these studies, right, 365 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: these studies of clairvoyance. So let's let's talk a little 366 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: bit more in depth. So he talked about this idea 367 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: of clairvoyance and these studies of psychic powers, and you 368 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: and I have actually done quite a few videos on these. 369 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: So just to recap there's a guy named Dean rad 370 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: and I believe was uh he thinks that parapsychology, which 371 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: is also a name for PSI researchers, which is also 372 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: a name for people who are researching psychic powers, which 373 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: is also a name to their opponents for pseudoscience. Raydon 374 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: believes that parapsychology is just as repat repeatable as any science, 375 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: but it's also subtle and complex. And it's subtle and 376 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: complex because we have an incomplete understanding of it, which 377 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: can make a lot of sense logically, because to me, 378 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: it's possible that there could be some things that we 379 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: have so little information on that we don't really have 380 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: a way to um observe, observer or effectively tested, you know, yeah, exactly. 381 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's possible. We have to leave it open 382 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: that it's possible, right, I mean, you have to. I 383 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: think that's one of the rules of this planet is 384 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: that you have to leave room that anything is possible. 385 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: Something about Georgia Guidestones episodes in Thole's documentary. Whenever somebody says, uh, 386 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: leave room or I always think they're gonna say, leave 387 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: room for nature, leave room for nature. Well then, and nature, 388 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: as we've seen with nature, sometimes it's fairly randomized, right, yeah, 389 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: or at least appears so right, Yes, it appears. And 390 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: this is all because of our so far limited understanding 391 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: of a lot of the minute processes that that speed 392 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: nature and time along. We're getting there, we're getting closer 393 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: to a lot of these answers, but we've still got 394 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: a long way to go. Like in our video that 395 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: came out earlier this week, I think it was the 396 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: three things about your brain that no one understands. Uh. 397 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: We found that despite living in the twenty one centuries 398 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: we record this, some of the smartest neurobiologists in the 399 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: world are still trying to figure out some of the 400 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: basic cognitive things that happened to you every single day. 401 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: Unless you're a robot listening to this now, Yeah, every 402 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: memory that you create, how does it physical? We become 403 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: a memory every every decision you make? What makes it 404 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: for you? Yeah? And doesn't happen like a second before 405 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: you choose to do something, is you're like, how does 406 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: where where does your consciousness come into free will? That 407 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: was one of the most fascinating things that you talked about. Ready, 408 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: what is it? Readiness? Uh, potential, readiness, potential, that's fascinating. Yeah, 409 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: you know, if we could have a little bit of 410 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: tripping music here. So regardless of where you're sitting now 411 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: or walking, you might be working out, you might be 412 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: making something to eat, you might be in your car 413 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: on the train. They take a second and and try 414 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: to feel where you and where the world begins. So 415 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: you can feel your clothes, right, if you're wearing clothes, 416 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: you can your clothes because those are one of the 417 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: closest things to your body. But then where does your 418 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: body end and where do you begin? Is there a division? 419 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: All those neurochemicals and synapsis firing in your brain? What 420 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: part of them is you? How much of that stops 421 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: before you stop? Because we know a person can live 422 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: without legs, we know a person can live without arms, 423 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: We know that people can live without large parts of 424 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: their brains. So what are you that's actually listening to 425 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: this podcast and without understanding what the nature of consciousness 426 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: actually is. It's it's damnably difficult to try to understand 427 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: what consciousness also does. Right, Yeah, man, Okay, this is 428 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that keeps me up at night. Uh, well, 429 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these things that we talked about keep 430 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: me up at night, but this one in particular because 431 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 1: just trying to nail down what what I the thing 432 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: I big I is? Yeah? Is it? Is? It sort 433 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: of a just an extension of a young Gian arc 434 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: type with the super consciousness really being one What was 435 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: the Bill Hicks quote? Was just one super entity continually 436 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: experiencing itself kind of deal the universe experiencing itself just 437 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: over and over and over again. Right when? And you 438 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: know how would we even begin to measure or prove that? Right? Sure? 439 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: So with uh with the raiding guy with Dean raiding, 440 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: one thing that he was associated with I believe was 441 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: pair Right. These are the guys that United did a 442 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: video on earlier, who found or argue they found, um 443 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: what was it? It was a connection between probability and 444 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: a conscious observer and whether or not if let's say, 445 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: I think the experien it was they had ball bearings 446 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: dropping down into where they did little buckets, and if 447 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: you they had people sit there and consciously want the 448 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: ball bearings to fall in certain buckets or a certain order. 449 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: And they said that they got a measured a measured 450 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: difference and when someone was consciously trying to make it happen. Yeah, 451 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: a measurable effect, not a large one, mind, And they're 452 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: not again, they're not touching or manipulating the thing at all, 453 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: the ball bearings or the box. They're behind glass so 454 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: they can be blown on or something like that. But 455 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: this this stuff, although raiding and the team sort of 456 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: went to went to quantum mechanics as some sort of explanation. 457 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: They looked at non locality, backwards causality and stuff like that. 458 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: They've been heavily criticized by physicists and psychologists and especially 459 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: physicists who studied quantum mechanics because you know, you know 460 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: that those physicists have to be so tired of quantum 461 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: mechanics being whipped out as just the quote unquote scientific 462 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: explanation behind everything. It's a fun word, and it's a 463 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: ridiculously complex subjects And yeah, I can imagine it would 464 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: be quite annoying if someone is just applying your field 465 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: that it's so complex to this thing that seems probably 466 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: pretty mundane and has nothing to do with it. And 467 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: we know one of the other big studies that you 468 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: briefly mentioned was Project Stargate. Could you tell me a 469 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: little bit about that. Yeah, it was the idea that 470 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: we I think the conclusion that we came to, and 471 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: we discussed this earlier, was that during the Cold War, 472 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: both sides thought that the other one was, you know, 473 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: making some kind of gains in whatever this psychic soldier 474 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: thing was, and in order to stay ahead of the game, 475 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: you know, ahead of your enemy at least, both sides 476 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: had to put money into this, and they were studying 477 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of things, like we said, telekinesis, remote viewing, 478 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: just astro projection, all that kind of stuff, being able 479 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: to spy, make a superspy essentially um And it didn't 480 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: go so well, at least at least if you read 481 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: some of the reports. But we can't get all the information, 482 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: as you said earlier, it's some of it's still classified. 483 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: We we ran into something interesting here because for a 484 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: time people in charge of the program believed it was working. 485 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: And then you know, you have to ask yourself, do 486 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: they believe it's working because it's a solid paycheck, you 487 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Or are they getting measurable data? 488 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: This this idea of traveling via the mind and using 489 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: a sketch to depict what you have found is tricky 490 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: because there's a little bit of subjectivity or interpretation there 491 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: where someone could look at a triangle and say, you know, oh, 492 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: he went to the pyramids or uh, oh he went 493 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: to the top the very tip top of the Washington Monument. Right. Um, 494 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: it's it's difficult, but we do know that there was 495 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: a lot of money poured into it, and for a 496 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: time at least people seemed happy with the results facets 497 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: of the United States government. The most successful of those 498 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: people was a guy named Ingo Swan. We also know 499 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: that Sony researched this as well, Which when do we 500 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: we talked about that with Pair or was that a 501 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: different video there they kind of jumbled together, but the 502 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: Sony one, I think was a completely different video where 503 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: they're looking at esp Yes, but that that's still is 504 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: weird to me because these children and the testa, but 505 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: it all seems to be. It seemed to me like 506 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: I think the big question that we asked was why 507 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: the heck would Sony get into that? Right at the time, 508 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: they were making electronics. I mean, they still largely make 509 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: electronic xt and movies that enraged the dprk um but 510 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, why, why the heck would Sony get into that? 511 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: And it made me, it made me just think about 512 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: their CDs. Remember the SP technology on CDs, the idea 513 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: that the machine would read far enough into the CD 514 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: that if it's skipped, if it physically skipped, it wouldn't 515 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: miss and beat because it already knows what's going to 516 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: happen to ten seconds ahead of time. Yeah. So I thought, 517 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: when I've initially heard about that subject that maybe there 518 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,239 Speaker 1: were it was just some kind of miscommunication that they 519 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: were actually just studying the ESP for that some uh 520 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: mistranslation because those acronyms stand for very different things. Yeah, 521 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: and it turns out, no, they really did. Yes, they 522 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: really did. And when they stopped this program, which went 523 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: on for a while, when they finally stopped this program, 524 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: and I want you to picture something like, I don't know, 525 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: it's the beginning one the Ghostbusters movies were dr vank 526 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: and is holding up those cards and uh, and the 527 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: person has to guess what's on the card. It was 528 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: kind of similar to that. And ultimately Sony's reason for 529 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: folding the program was just bizarre and fascinating to me. 530 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: They shamalan to me, you guys, because they didn't stop 531 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: the program because it was unsuccessful or had middling results. Indeed, 532 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: in the memos where they talk about the cancelation of 533 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: the program, they say they found something that works and 534 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: that is at least worth researching more if they were academics, 535 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: but they're not. Their business so weird and they said, 536 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: we can't figure out how to make money off this, 537 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: therefore we're not going to do it anymore. I feel 538 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: like they just got a big budget surplus for a 539 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: year and they just went, you know what, let's prove 540 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: psychic powers. I don't know, but you're like a little 541 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: more skeptical with this stuff than I am, for sure. 542 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: Oh sure, I don't know. I lived too long, Ben, 543 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: He lived too long. Matt. There's another study that was 544 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: pretty interesting that came out from a Cornell professor named 545 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: Darryl Bim, which we mentioned in one of this week's episodes, 546 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: and professor ben I almost said instigating he created a 547 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: very uh fascinating study where he would do the following, 548 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: check this out. So he would give these student volunteers 549 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: a list of words and these could just be like 550 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: random words, not to be fancy, so they could be 551 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: like brim, exit, gazebo or whatever. And then he would 552 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: give them this list of words and they would just 553 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: he would give him a few minutes to read it. 554 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: And then what he didn't tell them is that he 555 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: was giving them a surprise quiz at the end after 556 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: they've read these words, where they would be given um 557 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: the surprise quiz to test their memory the words, what 558 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: words are, etcetera. But here's where it gets crazy, because 559 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: at the heart of the third you remember this. I 560 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: think we talked about this. The third step of the 561 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: test was that after they had taken the quiz, Uh, 562 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: the computer program randomly selected a few of the words, 563 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: not all, but a few of the words for additional study. 564 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: And it had the students retyped this word. So you 565 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: would maybe out of um brim, exit and gazebo, you 566 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: would need to type exit like three times or several times. Right, 567 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: This would be a much longer. It's a much longer 568 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: less than just three. Yeah, and Uh, this weird thing 569 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: happened in the data. When he looked at it and 570 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: the way he compiled it, he said, Wow, these students 571 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: are doing better on the test based on the words 572 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: that they you know, studied or rehearsed after the tests, 573 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: them selected words, the randomly selected ones. Yes, so students 574 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: didn't know there was going to be a test, they 575 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: didn't know they would have to study after the test, 576 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: and somehow their performance, perhaps possibly by coincidence, went up, 577 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: possibly by you know again sloppy science, which is the 578 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: running accusation that happened. Um. The paper was first day 579 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: in the news in two thousand and ten, published in 580 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: a fairly prestigious journal in two thousand eleven, and since 581 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: that point people have been arguing about if this is true, 582 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: and multiple multiple studies come out again saying that there 583 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,959 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as psychic powers. But we think 584 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: that for those of you who believe in these sorts 585 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: of cognitive abilities, that keeping up with folks like Darryl 586 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: Bem is going to be gonna be interesting, perhaps even 587 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: instrumental to your argument in the future. Awesome, Ben, I 588 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: think this is the time where I'm going to do 589 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: the thing that you usually do to me. I've been 590 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: talking the whole time, I know, but that's too bad. 591 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: This is the part where I say, been is there 592 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: a psychic power? Maybe all of them or just one 593 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: that you really believe in, one that you think we 594 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 1: just don't have the grasp on yet. You know, I've 595 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: I've quarreled with that question because this is a little 596 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: bit of biography. But in my family, I'm not going 597 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: to say which side, or which relatives or whom in 598 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,959 Speaker 1: my In my family, there's been this long tradition, going 599 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: back a weirdly long amount of time, of people my 600 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: family being accused not by people in our family but 601 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: outside the family of being some sort of you know 602 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: which person or things like that. Warlocks. Sure, and I 603 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: think a lot of that goes back to them luncheon thing. Honestly, 604 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: it's just some sort of mothering. But uh, I have 605 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: a I have a hard time saying that there is 606 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: a silver bullet everybody has her in one can do 607 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: it kind of power, because what we know about the 608 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: human body every other thing the human body can do, 609 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: is that most people can do the same things, but 610 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: only to varying degrees. Right in the detail, we find 611 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: the heroes and the villains right the degree of their ability, 612 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: which is why some people are Olympic runners and other 613 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: people heave when they get upstairs. So if there were 614 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: some sort of psychic power. Then logically it follows that 615 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: this ability would have to be present in some way 616 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: in the majority of the human population. Right, that that 617 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: makes sense. I'm building up to the answer. Um, so 618 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: the next I gave you my my bias, which is 619 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: pretty anti this stuff growing up just because of of um, 620 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: my personal life. But I will also say that, given 621 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: how little we know about both the nature of reality 622 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: and the nature of perception in the human brain, it 623 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: is completely possible that we understand the skin of perception 624 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: or the surface of it, but we don't know the 625 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: machinery behind it. Now. Of course, I know that some 626 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: people could say, well, you're just dwelling on a few 627 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 1: uncertainties and making them bigger than they are, but we're not, 628 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 1: because there are just these massive, massive gaps and knowledge 629 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: about cognition, and that's not even verging on the metaphysical stuff. Right. 630 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: So is it possible then that there is something about 631 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: our perception which we do not understand, or is there 632 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: there's some alleged potential or or some possible thing. Then, 633 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: while I'm carefully hedging that, what I am saying is 634 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: is that, yes, it is possible that given the lack 635 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: of understanding we have about consciousness, that our our cognitive abilities, 636 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: that our ability to think, you know, who am I? 637 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: What am I? That self aware part of us may 638 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: be able to do, or see or encounter more stuff 639 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,359 Speaker 1: than than we know. And I know that sounds kind 640 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: of hippie dippy, but I'm not saying that there are 641 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: any psychic powers I believe in. What I'm saying is 642 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: that it's just as credulous and naive to say that 643 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: the possibility categorically does not exist. Saying something hasn't been 644 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: proven and saying it will never be proven or does 645 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: not exist. Those are two very very different things that people, 646 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: sometimes with the best intentions and sometimes conveniently confuse. Very 647 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: nice Ben, what about you? I'm gonna submit to that answer. 648 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: I just need to write down a few things. Um. 649 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: I I have just a very simple observation. And I think, 650 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: just like you said, with our holes and understanding and perception, 651 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: and I think time, the way we understand time is 652 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: a bit wonky. Still, Um is it an actual thing? 653 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: Does it really exist? Or is it just something and 654 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: apple and a name that we have applied to a dimension. 655 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: And I think that perhaps the way that our brain 656 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: functions in our neurons. Because we've got so many questions there. 657 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: I think there may be some kind of link between 658 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: a fourth dimensional understanding or excuse me, a fourth dimensional plane, 659 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: and perhaps the way that our brain functions. That you know, 660 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: that's a really interesting point. But try and scientifically prove 661 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 1: that ideare you, because you probably won't be able to 662 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: do it, at least not for a while yet. To 663 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: prove something, we would need to have again an observable, reproducible, 664 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: measurable effect, cause and effect, and a thing that we 665 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: know always produces thing be But here's the thing. What 666 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: if it just doesn't work that way? Then that would 667 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: mean that it's not real? Right, But it's I guess. 668 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: I guess my head goes to things like holographic universe theory, 669 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: some of the more abstract ideas about the universe as 670 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: a whole and in general reality. Um, that would be 671 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: my only the only reason that I can would allow 672 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: for this type of thing to be real unless it 673 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: was proven to me. It would be more like if 674 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: if it seemed that these things we're not reproducible at all, 675 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: but if just for argument's sake, we knew that something 676 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: was real it doesn't matter. We can take uh, I 677 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: don't know, and just make one up telepathy, and you 678 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: take telepathy for the sake of arguments, say that somehow, 679 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: you know, I everybody listening knew that telepathy was real, 680 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: but we couldn't we couldn't reproduce it because it didn't 681 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: work that way. Then what that would make me go 682 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: back to would be the methodology of the science, because 683 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: it seems like if something does not appear to be 684 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: reproducible then and you know it is a real thing, 685 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: then you find a way to reproduce that stuff. I 686 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: was gonna see. You find out what other variable is 687 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: in there that's dirty in the test too, because that's 688 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: probably what's happening. And I think, um, Dean Raiden's argument 689 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 1: about this sort of stuffing real but subtle and complex 690 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: is an argument toward that perspective that there are multiple 691 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: variations or excuse me, multiple variables that we have yet 692 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: to find. UM. With with that being said, UM, I 693 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: have I have, like most people, been in some really 694 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: weird situations. Sounds like the beginning of a totally different story. UM, 695 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: But I always have gone to the idea of what 696 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: I would call the boring stuff. First. You know, maybe I, 697 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: maybe I somehow unconsciously knew that there was always a 698 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: lady in a blue dress with a yellow hat somewhere right. 699 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: Maybe you saw a similar pack of cars stop on 700 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: the interstate on TV four years ago, stuff like that. 701 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,760 Speaker 1: And you know, we have to be honest that there 702 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Charlottetan's out there who want 703 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: to um prey on people who are emotionally vulnerable, so 704 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: you have to be careful. But also also you and 705 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: I have talked about this long time, and I think listeners, 706 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: if you're if you're still on board with us at 707 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,759 Speaker 1: this point in the game, you agree with us when 708 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: we say that, um, there are very few questions that 709 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:22,359 Speaker 1: are not worth asking, are So let's put it to you. 710 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: What do you think? Is there any truth to any 711 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: of this stuff? Have you had an experience where at 712 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: least that you can't explain scientifically of why you saw something? 713 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: One more thing, though, I'm sorry, I have to jump 714 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: in and say this one more thing, the absolute craziest, 715 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 1: craziest stuff that I read about. Okay, Matt, what if 716 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: this ability to see through time and space and influence 717 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: events and non linear perspectives. What if it's real? And 718 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: what if someone doesn't want you to know? And what 719 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: if these people dare we call them time lords? Uh? 720 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: One of these? Seriously? What if these people are are 721 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: these entities are retroactively discrediting the ability of psychics around 722 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: the world? Which is this week's craziest thing been read 723 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: on the Internet. For the record, I don't believe it, okay, 724 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: but maybe I've been influenced by the future. How would 725 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: you know? How would you know? Um? There's one thing 726 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: that you can know for sure, though, and it's news 727 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: about the show about stuff they want you to know. Yes, 728 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: you have asked for it, and we've finally got it. 729 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: Guys and ladies. We have a store where you can 730 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: buy T shirts stuff they don't want you to know, 731 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: customized T shirts. They are awesome. There's a Global Illumination 732 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,799 Speaker 1: Global Unlimited shirt. And you know, if I am ever 733 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: walking around on the street and I see somebody with 734 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 1: one of those shirts on, I don't know, I'm just 735 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: gonna I'm probably just gonna have to run up and 736 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: hug them because that's the coolest thing ever. I'm not 737 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: a hugger. I'll buy you a beer, though, oh, I'm 738 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna give you a hug watch out. Um. Yeah, and 739 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: we'll be adding more designs to this. 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