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Speaker 2: Hello, dear listener. On Friday, we brought you the first
Speaker 2: episode of a new show by Futuro Studios. It's called
Speaker 2: American Football. It's a podcast about soccer culture in the
Speaker 2: US and it's underdog roots. So as we gear up
Speaker 2: for the Men's World Cup in just a few weeks,
Speaker 2: American Football is airing short narrative episodes and deep dive
Speaker 2: interviews about the game we love and the people who
Speaker 2: love it. Here is the second episode. It's an interview
Speaker 2: with one of the players who was part of the
Speaker 2: rebirth of soccer in the US, hosted by Leo USA's
Speaker 2: managing editor, Fernanda Echavari.
Speaker 3: It was really difficult to leave Uruguay for me.
Speaker 4: I remember telling my father at the time that out
Speaker 4: of all the countries in the world that we can
Speaker 4: move to, why do we have to move to the
Speaker 4: one that doesn't have soccer. And my grandfather was the
Speaker 4: one who you know, he cleaned my soccer shoes. He's
Speaker 4: the one that took me to the practices with my team.
Speaker 4: I left Uruguay and I never saw my grandfather again.
Speaker 3: It was a very tough move.
Speaker 5: Could you have ever imagine how far you would go
Speaker 5: in the sport moving to the US, the country that
Speaker 5: cared about soccer the least I.
Speaker 3: Could have never imagined.
Speaker 4: I mean, I really thought when I moved to the US,
Speaker 4: basically that soccer was going to be a hobby for
Speaker 4: me and that I wouldn't be able to accomplish the
Speaker 4: goals that I had set out when I was growing
Speaker 4: up as a child in Uruguay and I was on
Speaker 4: my way to go in the pro route, and I
Speaker 4: felt like that got cut off and it was, you know,
Speaker 4: let's just call it an unconventional way of making it
Speaker 4: where I wanted to make it in the first place,
Speaker 4: but I did.
Speaker 5: From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernande Charvari and this is American Football,
Speaker 5: a show about soccer culture in the US and it's
Speaker 5: underdog roots. Tabarre Ramos or tab is widely regarded as
Speaker 5: one of the best US soccer players of the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 4: Well that's what my mother used to say, so let's
Speaker 4: just agree with that.
Speaker 5: That might be underselling it a bit. He's a three
Speaker 5: time World Cup player and the first player to sign
Speaker 5: with Major League Soccer or MLS. He was named the
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety US Soccer Athlete of the Year after one
Speaker 5: of those World Cups, and he was inducted into the
Speaker 5: National Soccer Hall of Fame in two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's definitely not just his mom. Soccer culture
Speaker 5: in the US is particularly unique and dramas represents a
Speaker 5: pivotal moment in time for US men's soccer. He's part
Speaker 5: of its renaissance, it's rebirth. He's someone who came to
Speaker 5: a practically soccer lesson nation and helped build a new
Speaker 5: generation of fans, energizing a national team that long seemed hopeless.
Speaker 5: And like so many great American things, he came from
Speaker 5: somewhere else.
Speaker 4: I started kicking a ball as soon as I could walk.
Speaker 4: Soccer football in Uruguay, it truly is a.
Speaker 3: Way of life.
Speaker 4: It's very much ingrained into the culture of the country
Speaker 4: and what child growing up doesn't want to be a
Speaker 4: soccer player. It's basically everyone wants to play football. So
Speaker 4: when I signed for my first club in Montevideo, I
Speaker 4: was six years old, and I remember that my uncle
Speaker 4: sort of forced me to go to the club because
Speaker 4: he felt like I was ready. And I remember thinking,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I don't think I'm ready, and he
Speaker 4: said to me, well, you've been playing on the street
Speaker 4: already for a couple of years.
Speaker 5: He was ready. But then when he was about eleven
Speaker 5: years old, his family made a tough decision to move
Speaker 5: to the US.
Speaker 4: In the late seventies, you know, the economy and Uruguay
Speaker 4: was not doing so well.
Speaker 3: So my father was in Uruguay.
Speaker 4: He had been an electrical engineer, so he came to
Speaker 4: the US to work. He thought we'd have a better
Speaker 4: life here.
Speaker 5: Moving as a kid is hard, all right, And moving
Speaker 5: to a place where the thing you love the most
Speaker 5: is not the star sport, that's tough. How did you
Speaker 5: sort of handle that when you got here? La basin
Speaker 5: glz no or did you learn it when you got here?
Speaker 4: I mean we knew things like how to say table
Speaker 4: or cat or random things. You know that really when
Speaker 4: you meet friends and when you're trying to be in
Speaker 4: a conversation doesn't really help a whole lot.
Speaker 5: So none of that applies. I was there at one.
Speaker 3: Point, so it was really difficult.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I wish to tell you that I adapted to the
Speaker 4: country quickly, but it really was hard.
Speaker 3: You know, I moved into New Jersey.
Speaker 4: It's not like there were a lot of Hispanics in
Speaker 4: the area I was in, and you know, it's hard
Speaker 4: to assimilate yourself into the culture and to become accustomed
Speaker 4: to what other people like. I was always very reserved
Speaker 4: and introverted, and for me it became difficult to make friends.
Speaker 4: And you know, my first year in this country was
Speaker 4: really hard.
Speaker 5: Dramos was moving to what he envisioned to be a
Speaker 5: soccer less wasteland, but he serendipitously ended up in what
Speaker 5: just might have been one of the few places in
Speaker 5: the US that really went crazy for soccer, Carney, New
Speaker 5: Jersey in the late nineteenth century. The town's gigantic threadmills
Speaker 5: attracted immigrants to work there. Early on, Carney came to
Speaker 5: be known as the cradle of American soccer. It's the
Speaker 5: birthplace of a lot of really amazing players, and actually
Speaker 5: the team associated with the massive factory in town, the
Speaker 5: Clark Thread Company, won three American Football Association Cups in
Speaker 5: the late eighteen eighties. Other new Jerseys from neighboring towns
Speaker 5: like Jimmy Douglas and Thomas Florey played in the first
Speaker 5: ever World Cup coincidentally in Uruguay in nineteen thirty. And
Speaker 5: the descendants of this town are loud and proud of
Speaker 5: this history and continued a fierce love of the game.
Speaker 5: But in terms of the rest of the country, soccer
Speaker 5: didn't really have that same appeal.
Speaker 4: You went somewhere else, you realize that soccer didn't really exist,
Speaker 4: that soccer was sort of this hobby that some people
Speaker 4: had on the side. You know, you learn to become
Speaker 4: a salesman for the sport because you have no choice,
Speaker 4: because everywhere you go soccer is, Oh, you play that soccer.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not even soccer, it's that soccer. It's
Speaker 4: almost like that's poor out. Yeah, And so you learn
Speaker 4: to accept that, and you learned to say the right things.
Speaker 5: But Dramos and his team did develop a rowdy fan base,
Speaker 5: affectionately self described as the Carney Army. As you can
Speaker 5: hear in this clip from the documentary Soccer Town USAY.
Speaker 5: By nineteen eighty four, Dramos had graduated high school a call.
Speaker 5: It was the New York Cosmos, the very same team
Speaker 5: that the soccer legend Brazilian superstar Pila had played for,
Speaker 5: and they wanted to draft him. Ramos was thrilled. He
Speaker 5: trained with them for a little bit, but in the
Speaker 5: end he decided to go to college instead. It's a
Speaker 5: familiar crossroads that a lot of immigrants and first gents
Speaker 5: find themselves in. Their parents sacrificed a lot to give
Speaker 5: them better opportunities, so they have to weigh that against
Speaker 5: their true passions.
Speaker 4: My father always said that you know you can kick
Speaker 4: a ball for a little while, that you'll have your
Speaker 4: education for the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: That was really important to him.
Speaker 4: Fortunately, I was the best player in the country my
Speaker 4: senior year in high school.
Speaker 3: I could pick pretty much any college.
Speaker 4: I could go to for free, and by the way,
Speaker 4: thank god, because my parents wouldn't be able to afford college,
Speaker 4: so it was good that.
Speaker 3: I could go for free.
Speaker 4: So I decided to go to North Carolina State, and
Speaker 4: I think part of that was really the decision from
Speaker 4: my parents. At North Carolina State, there was an Argentinian
Speaker 4: coach and his brother had played in the World Cup.
Speaker 4: So for my parents that was sort of the connection
Speaker 4: in allowing me to once again connect to world soccer,
Speaker 4: and so I chose North Carolina State.
Speaker 5: It turns out that was a smart decision because not
Speaker 5: long after he debated joining the Cosmos instead of going
Speaker 5: to college, the Cosmos and the entire North American Soccer
Speaker 5: League shuddered. But even though the league was no more,
Speaker 5: they were still great soccer to be played.
Speaker 3: And then we went to the Olympics in Seoul.
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Speaker 6: by the hundreds of thousands, they have turned out to
Speaker 6: create a day they've long awaited.
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Speaker 5: It's American football. I'm Fernande Chavalis. In the nineteen eighty
Speaker 5: eight Olympics, the US did pretty well. They tied with
Speaker 5: both Argentina and with South Korea, but ultimately lost to
Speaker 5: the USSR in a four to two game. It was
Speaker 5: a disappointing loss, but one that would soon be overshadowed
Speaker 5: by two incredible nineteen ninety World Cup qualifying games, one
Speaker 5: where the US would smash Costa Rica thanks to an
Speaker 5: incredible goal by none other than Tap Dramos.
Speaker 2: And then ESPN presents the World Cup qualifying game.
Speaker 8: One of these teams will advance to the World Cup.
Speaker 6: It's the national teams of the USA VERSUS Trinidad and Tobago.
Speaker 5: It's a hot sunny day in Port of Spain, Trinidad
Speaker 5: and Tobago. Hastley Crawford Stadium is packed with the sea
Speaker 5: of red, all for the home team. It seemed like
Speaker 5: there was a mandatory sign that said you must wear
Speaker 5: red or you would be allowed to enter the stadium.
Speaker 3: Because that's all you see here.
Speaker 5: It's just the sea of red. Trinidadian flags are everywhere,
Speaker 5: and there are signs as far as the eye can see.
Speaker 5: One sign reads no way USA. We're in minute thirty
Speaker 5: one of an already intense match. Dramos kicks the ball
Speaker 5: over to midfielder Paul Kellajerry and in an unlikely move,
Speaker 5: Calajeri launches the ball with his non dominant left foot and.
Speaker 3: What Clagians corle.
Speaker 5: Time read what It's a historic goal known as the
Speaker 5: shot heard around the world on a running goal. It's proud,
Speaker 5: after word, to cut up a little bit, which would
Speaker 5: lead to the US finally entering the World Cup again
Speaker 5: after a forty year dry spell forty years. Walk me
Speaker 5: through what it was like to go to Italy and
Speaker 5: represent the United States. What did that World Cup mean
Speaker 5: for you and your team?
Speaker 4: I think first is you know, thinking about how unlikely
Speaker 4: it was that we were going to qualify to that
Speaker 4: World Cup. You know, US had not been to a
Speaker 4: World Cup in forty years, and here we are a
Speaker 4: bunch of young guys that basically had only college experience
Speaker 4: and we end up qualifying to the World Cup and
Speaker 4: you have the whole world watching, you know, a billion
Speaker 4: plus people watching. I remember walking onto the field and thinking,
Speaker 4: how am I here? How am I in this place?
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I wish I could tell you that
Speaker 4: I was looking at it in a different way, but
Speaker 4: really that's what it was. It was almost like I
Speaker 4: had fought my whole life from you know, when I
Speaker 4: was four years old playing the game on the streets,
Speaker 4: to then signing at six years old, and here I
Speaker 4: am at the one place where.
Speaker 3: Like every player in the world.
Speaker 4: Would trade positions with me, and how lucky am I
Speaker 4: to be here?
Speaker 3: And I actually thought those things.
Speaker 4: It was truly incredible to be in those shoes that day.
Speaker 3: You know, I wish I could go back to that moment.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 5: Overall, what would you say was the US performance in
Speaker 5: that World Cup?
Speaker 4: You know, I wish I could tell you it went
Speaker 4: well for us, but it really didn't. We were really
Speaker 4: not much better than tourists participating against some of the
Speaker 4: best players in the world, and so it was a
Speaker 4: wake up call for us. But I think it was
Speaker 4: also a wake up call for the and I'm very
Speaker 4: fortunate to have been part of that generation of players
Speaker 4: that took the national team back to the World Cup.
Speaker 3: After four decades.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would personally call their performance in
Speaker 5: Rome as that of mere tourists. I mean, yes, of course,
Speaker 5: the lack of experience did hurt them. They immediately lost
Speaker 5: five to one to Czechoslovakia, and then, like fighting a
Speaker 5: lion in its own den, went up against Italy.
Speaker 4: We ended up, you know, fighting for that game, and
Speaker 4: we lost one zero. We almost hide it at the end,
Speaker 4: actually on a ball that almost went over the line.
Speaker 3: Very good safe rebound zinger at the double. Well, the
Speaker 3: best chance in the United States so far.
Speaker 4: We definitely showed ourselves, but I feel like the world
Speaker 4: really put us in our place.
Speaker 3: The United States teamers showed plenty of fight in the end.
Speaker 3: Here it's finished there. Italy won the United States of America.
Speaker 5: N Just to show you how historic this all was.
Speaker 5: Even though the US team did lose, it wasn't lost
Speaker 5: on anyone. How incredible of an accomplishment it was for
Speaker 5: them to go toe to toe with one of the
Speaker 5: best teams at the time and only loose by one point.
Speaker 5: At the end of the game, the Italian team swapped
Speaker 5: jerseys with the US team in a show of respect. Remember,
Speaker 5: the US had not even been able to qualify for
Speaker 5: a FIFA Men's World Cup for four decades. I mean,
Speaker 5: these guys had given audiences here a great show. And
Speaker 5: even though the team exited the tournament early, tab Ramos
Speaker 5: and the other two players from Carne New Jersey came
Speaker 5: home to a big parade in their honor. They were
Speaker 5: toted around in these fancy corvettes and even given a
Speaker 5: key to the city, as it was captured in the
Speaker 5: documentary Soccer Town.
Speaker 1: I'd like to thank the.
Speaker 4: Mayor and the whole town of Cornee, the people not
Speaker 4: only for being.
Speaker 8: The greatest people in this country, but the greatest people
Speaker 8: in the world.
Speaker 6: And I really mean that, and thanks very much for everything.
Speaker 5: Four years later, in nineteen ninety four, it was time
Speaker 5: for the World Cup again, and this time the United
Speaker 5: States was hosting.
Speaker 4: By the time nineteen ninety four rolled around, we had
Speaker 4: already beaten England, we had beaten Portugal, we had beaten Ireland,
Speaker 4: we had tied Italy. Like we already were getting results
Speaker 4: summer after summer, and our team was improving.
Speaker 3: We were now a competitive team.
Speaker 4: We had experience, we had good players on the team.
Speaker 3: You know, we beat Mexico.
Speaker 4: Right before That World Cup started at the Rose Bowl
Speaker 4: in front of one hundred thousand people. So we went
Speaker 4: into that World Cup with momentum and really feeling confident
Speaker 4: about who we were.
Speaker 5: Plus they had the Carney Army supporting them once again
Speaker 5: with Kegs signs and all of their rowdy hooligan energy. Again.
Speaker 5: Soccer Town USA one.
Speaker 3: Hundred and twenty was out there.
Speaker 9: Every one of us had American strips and we had
Speaker 9: girls and American bikinis.
Speaker 3: We were there for a party. We knew the party
Speaker 3: was there and we took control. We knew the Carnee
Speaker 3: guys were there. We didn't even know how.
Speaker 4: They got to California, but they got there. And there
Speaker 4: was a neat thing about Carneye which was, you know,
Speaker 4: we were the underdog town sort of everywhere we went,
Speaker 4: and that was the attitude of the fans.
Speaker 5: After the break, we wrap up our story with a
Speaker 5: fractured skull and an unbroken spirit. This is American football,
Speaker 5: am Fernande Charvari. So we're in the World Cup here
Speaker 5: in the US and it's time for the home team
Speaker 5: to play its first game. They go up against Switzerland.
Speaker 5: They tie one to one. It's clear from the start
Speaker 5: that this is not the US national team of the past.
Speaker 5: Just look at their second game they earn a massive
Speaker 5: two to one victory against Colombia.
Speaker 9: For so long, the United States of America have been
Speaker 9: on the outside looking in when the faith of World
Speaker 9: Cup is at the center of the world's attention. But
Speaker 9: now they are right at the heart of it, and
Speaker 9: they are the story here today.
Speaker 5: They've now made it past the group stage, something that
Speaker 5: just four years prior seemed impossible. I mean, they're literally
Speaker 5: keeping up with one of the best teams in the world.
Speaker 5: In their game with Brazil, they are neck and neck.
Speaker 9: The back heel from Ramos, that's nicely done by the
Speaker 9: United States.
Speaker 3: But get into growing confidence here until Ramos and Leonardo tangling.
Speaker 4: Goodness me, oh, elbow, elbow by Leonardo.
Speaker 3: Tab Ramos in some distress.
Speaker 4: We were tied zero zero with Brazil in the second
Speaker 4: round and I took an elbow to my head which
Speaker 4: cracked my skull.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's tab Ramos doing well, shooting the.
Speaker 5: Ball getting away almost tolds Leonardo's shirt, But.
Speaker 3: Then that is an elbow to the side of his face.
Speaker 4: Obviously at that point I had to get taken out
Speaker 4: of the game. I know that the coach waited until
Speaker 4: halftime to see if I could go back in, But
Speaker 4: obviously I went from there right to the hospital, and
Speaker 4: so I didn't even see the second half. Matter of fact,
Speaker 4: I didn't even find out that we lost the game
Speaker 4: one zero until later that night, many hours after the
Speaker 4: game ended, watching.
Speaker 5: The video of you getting hit. I mean hearing you
Speaker 5: say right now, I took an elbow to the head
Speaker 5: a really down place, sort of how violent this was.
Speaker 5: I just I wonder if at any point you, your family, anybody,
Speaker 5: if you said you know what this might be, it like,
Speaker 5: this is a really serious injury. Do I retire now?
Speaker 5: Or were you super determined to get back and play.
Speaker 4: I love that you asked me this question, because this
Speaker 4: goes back to the beginning when we talked about me
Speaker 4: being four years old and how important.
Speaker 3: Soccer was for me.
Speaker 4: As part of my recovery, I visited the Olympic boxing
Speaker 4: doctor just to sort of assess my injury and see
Speaker 4: what the possibilities of coming back, and the Olympic boxing
Speaker 4: doctor said to me, well, I can tell you if
Speaker 4: you were a boxer, I would never let you box
Speaker 4: again if you get hit in the head with a
Speaker 4: ball hard enough, you could have some real serious consequences.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Had the elbow been half an inch lower, I likely
Speaker 4: would have died on the field.
Speaker 5: That's terrifying.
Speaker 4: Yes, And yet having said all that, I couldn't picture
Speaker 4: my life without soccer.
Speaker 3: I couldn't picture it.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It was a really difficult moment for me because it
Speaker 4: was a big decision to make. But in the end,
Speaker 4: I think I did the right thing by continuing to play.
Speaker 5: The US team would end up losing that game to
Speaker 5: Brazil when Ramos got hurt, then they lost again to Austria.
Speaker 5: Brazil ended up winning the entire thing, but Ramos had
Speaker 5: led the US to its best World Cup performance since
Speaker 5: that first ever World Cup game in nineteen thirty Dramos
Speaker 5: recovers from his injury and starts to think about what's next.
Speaker 5: He ends up playing for the Real Betis in Spain
Speaker 5: and becomes one of the first US players to make
Speaker 5: a name for himself in Europe. In nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 5: he signed US the very first player in Major League Soccer,
Speaker 5: or MLS, and three years later he plays his last
Speaker 5: World Cup. He's gone on to coach for teams like
Speaker 5: the Houston Dynamo and Hartford Athletic. He was an assistant
Speaker 5: coach for the World Cup in twenty fourteen. He's also
Speaker 5: coached the US under twenty men's national team for eight years,
Speaker 5: establishing a record of success for the team. He's also
Speaker 5: been a commentator for Telemundo in previous World Cups. Do
Speaker 5: you still speak Spanish or not much?
Speaker 8: See Siembre Mundiales Los tra gon Telemundo is al Mundalo
Speaker 8: de liciocho in Russia con Telemundo, El Cadar and Elminios.
Speaker 5: So looking back at what soccer was when you moved
Speaker 5: to the US in the seventies and what it is
Speaker 5: today when it comes to popularity, buy in, fandom, skill,
Speaker 5: how has it evolved? Where are we now? I'm just
Speaker 5: trying to understand from your perspective you have I've seen it,
Speaker 5: not from an audience perspective or a commentator or a historian.
Speaker 5: You played it, you lived it, and now we have
Speaker 5: the World Cup coming back. What's different now?
Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety four, I feel like it was sort
Speaker 4: of the birth of soccer here. Twenty twenty six has
Speaker 4: to be the World Cup that makes soccer permanent. Ooh, now,
Speaker 4: I'll say this. You know, a lot has happened since
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four. You know, we have a league now.
Speaker 4: The league has huge stadiums. The stadiums are full, they
Speaker 4: have training facilities for kids. Kids are developing, We have
Speaker 4: more and more good players. There's thirty teams in the
Speaker 4: league now. They're all doing well. They're known in conca CAF.
Speaker 4: They dominate most of concor CAFF with Lega MX.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 4: All of that's happening, But this is the World Cup
Speaker 4: in which I think we need to make some ground
Speaker 4: in the culture of the country because I still this
Speaker 4: is the one thing that hasn't changed. I can still
Speaker 4: walk into a bar two blocks away from my house
Speaker 4: and the guys at the bar are not talking about soccer.
Speaker 4: They're talking about college basketball. They're talking about football, they're
Speaker 4: talking about baseball, they're talking about hockey. They're talking about
Speaker 4: many other sports that are not soccer. And so I think,
Speaker 4: although the sport has come a long way, we still
Speaker 4: have a long way to go. I feel really proud
Speaker 4: of having been a big part of the sort of
Speaker 4: rebirth of soccer in this country, of having been maybe
Speaker 4: a small part of that generation of players of four
Speaker 4: or five that were able to play those three World
Speaker 4: Cups in the nineties. That sort of put soccer a
Speaker 4: little bit on the map in this country.
Speaker 5: Maybe not so small a part.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, this is a team sport at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, and you're only one, So.
Speaker 5: Of course, of course, could soccer become America's favorite pastime?
Speaker 3: Not in my lifetime.
Speaker 4: Wow, could it become the favorite maybe somewhere down the road.
Speaker 4: My experience so far as a fifty nine year old,
Speaker 4: so it's quite a few years, is that soccer continues
Speaker 4: to be the sport of the future.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 3: I would like to see it arrive.
Speaker 4: At some point, and I'm not sure I'm going to
Speaker 4: be able to see that in my lifetime.
Speaker 5: Although we may not see soccer becoming America's favorite pastime
Speaker 5: in this generation, who knows, maybe the next one we'll
Speaker 5: see another tab Ramos that will help push the sport
Speaker 5: to the top for the next generation. But that person
Speaker 5: probably won't be Dramos's youngest.
Speaker 4: We put her in rex soccer and immediately she yelled
Speaker 4: to the sidelines, why are you making me do this?
Speaker 3: So she didn't like it, No, thank you, dad.
Speaker 4: So she became a dancer and she did competitive dance,
Speaker 4: so that's her sport.
Speaker 5: Maybe in their lifetime maybe.
Speaker 3: I hope so, I hope. So.
Speaker 2: That was the second episode of American Football, a new
Speaker 2: podcast about US soccer culture from Futuro Studios. Go to
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Speaker 2: in our show notes in the next episode, Why soccer
Speaker 2: might actually be more American than you think.
Speaker 6: It came to the US before it got to Brazil.
Speaker 6: We had a pro league before Spain and Italy. I mean,
Speaker 6: it was a game that was exported and the US
Speaker 6: got it almost before anybody else.
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