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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they lost all three phases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, special teams was probably a wash close. Yeah right,

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Speaker 2: they tackle right there, and then there's a fifteen marred

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Speaker 2: face basks like oh, which was game?

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Speaker 1: Oh? That was? That was the one that they called

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Speaker 2: They didn't really show on TV well enough.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really trying. I didn't see the difference between

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Speaker 2: It's odd too. I think I would have given him

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Speaker 1: You couldn't see when when everybody's getting up off the ground.

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Speaker 1: I know, there's just no excuse for that. The Steelers

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Speaker 2: super long article, you know. I mean, obviously TJ. Watt

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Speaker 2: was awesome. Collectively, they got beat badly by an excellent

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Speaker 1: That was my big takeaway from that, Matt, was that

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Speaker 1: I mean, just looking at the AFC North Matt Baltimore

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Speaker 2: Their offense or their defense was great.

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Speaker 2: And frankly, if they're not playing the Taxi, if the

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Speaker 2: was just a total miscommunication. It wasn't a bad play

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Speaker 1: Nobody got Warner, which was one of my keys going

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Speaker 2: And of course he reads things well when he's super

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're right. It was four four Ayuk, Samuel, Kittle, McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do anything like where I said, oh that

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Speaker 2: That's what my co host said. He opened the show

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Speaker 2: People were playing Peterson like he had a bad day.

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Speaker 2: Just put it in. The guy made a play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: That was my biggest takeaway from that game. And like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So you know that that's gonna happen. You're not playing

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Speaker 2: I Mean, that's an elite football team that maybe when

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Speaker 1: average score of the last ten Dallas Giants game has

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Speaker 1: been by nineteen points. They blow them out every single time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean both.

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Speaker 2: I mean especially that game, look like Alabama versus Appalachian

439
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Speaker 2: State or you know, one of those type of games.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even look close. So I would have I

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Speaker 1: would have San Francisco number one night, wouldn't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they were impressive. They were very impressive. They're gonna cause

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Speaker 1: a lot of problems this week, absolutely, uh but yeah,

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Speaker 1: an interesting interesting, uh turn of events overall in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there were some teams that you thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: they should win that game. They didn't. But that's that's

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Speaker 1: week one. That's what it's all. You know, that's one week.

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Speaker 1: That's why you play the games on you know, you

449
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Speaker 1: don't just say on paper, well this team looks good

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Speaker 1: and that team looks bad.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if the Steelers look that bad against the Browns,

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Speaker 2: I would be worried. Yeah, you know right, So I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying they're gonna win we'll see yep.

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Speaker 1: Uh, let's take a break. He is Matt Williamson. I

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Speaker 1: am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 3: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 3: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale, Allie. He is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 1: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt,

462
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Speaker 1: we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the injuries as Feelers suffered in the game yesterday. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward, I think is the most serious of those injuries.

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Speaker 1: He left with a green injury, tried to come back

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Speaker 1: and play early in the second half and just name

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Speaker 1: one play. Yeah, you could tell he was compromised, and

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Speaker 1: that's a grain injury. Reports out there that it's going

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Speaker 1: to be multiple weeks and that he could land on

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Speaker 1: IR don't know that for sure. We'll find out more

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Speaker 1: from Mike Tomlin tomorrow. I know Hayward is always healed

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Speaker 1: up pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. I mean the fact that he even goes

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Speaker 2: out there is crazy. I mean you could see the

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Speaker 2: one play he had no shot. I mean he did

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Speaker 2: everything he could, obviously, nas and street clothes, you know,

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Speaker 2: after halftime obviously. I mean anyone listening knows that's a

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Speaker 2: massive loss. I mean he's one of the best players

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Speaker 2: in the league. He's one of the best players on

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Speaker 2: the team. So show must go.

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Speaker 1: On, though, you know, they don't stop the season for you.

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Speaker 2: No, And I thought oguin Joby played okay. Nobody played

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Speaker 2: great other than what but I thought Ogunjoby played okay. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: the most promising thing I saw on the whole game

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Speaker 2: was the way Benton played.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was going to bring up. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: it's time man, Keanu. Benton's going to play and should

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Speaker 1: play a lot. As far as I'm going to, I

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Speaker 1: think he needs to be on the field.

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Speaker 2: He needs to either Louder Milk Ragdoll time and time again,

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Speaker 2: especially in the run game. But I thought Benton was

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Speaker 2: very impressive and needs to I think the time is now,

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Speaker 2: whether that's Nose or Cam or whatever. I mean, they're

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Speaker 2: in the four man front so much. He should be

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Speaker 2: in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were times yesterday were five man fronts, six

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Speaker 1: man like they had four defensive linemen on the field. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, so that one that was gonna hurt that.

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Speaker 1: Marvin Lewl was a little nicked up in that game

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Speaker 1: as well, but he did return. That was an elbow injury. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's something that you probably see him out

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Speaker 1: there playing with, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Some kind of arm. He got it through the equipment

504
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Speaker 2: on you back in. Yeah, give him credit for that

505
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Speaker 2: and didn't have a bad game.

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Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson left with a hamstring injury. That was after

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Speaker 1: at the end of a long catch and run early

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Speaker 1: in the second half. We'll see on that one. I

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Speaker 1: immediately had somebody tweets so Deonta, he's he's not tough

510
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Speaker 1: at all. He's soft, like you were, moron, you were.

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Speaker 1: I was just wondering if I try, I try really

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Speaker 1: hard not to look at my social media feet cause

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Speaker 1: I sit and I'll start tweet during the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I try not to look at the question, So don't

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Speaker 1: ask me questions in social media during the game, answer

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Speaker 1: because I'm not going to answer them because of what

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Speaker 1: I see. Depending on what's happening in the game. If

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Speaker 1: things are going badly, the immediate reaction of a lot

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Speaker 1: of people is just snark. So I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: everybody fire everybody. I'm not gonna I just yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just don't go into social media as a shame on

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Speaker 1: me for even looking in there at any point and

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Speaker 1: seeing stuff like that. Did this team just fire everybody again?

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Speaker 1: So don't get angry if I don't answer you like

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Speaker 1: I try to at least be engaging on social media.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's mass Canada's fault to pick a Canhan

527
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Speaker 2: open receiver. Yes day, of course, you know, I mean

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Speaker 2: just short cuts the really seeing what happened, Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: but whatever.

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Speaker 1: But Deontay, you know I did see over at Tocility today.

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Speaker 1: He's walking with a little bit of a limp. But

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Speaker 1: the extra day could help him. But we'll see he's

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Speaker 1: going for that. Yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Those don't tend the last weeks and weeks depending on

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Speaker 2: the severity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: A quick note on Deontay, which I found really interesting

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Speaker 2: and was a real compliment to Austin is as you

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Speaker 2: would think, in three receiver sets, Austin gets a bump

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Speaker 2: when somebody goes out. He's obviously the fourth guy right now.

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Speaker 2: But what I found really interesting was Austin took the

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Speaker 2: Deontay role. He didn't. Robinson didn't go outside and Austin

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Speaker 2: stayed in they view and and this is what he

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Speaker 2: wasn't called. He's a real wide out. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: an outside the numbers dude that can play this lot.

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Speaker 1: We speed is. I mean, you jam him at your

547
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Speaker 1: own risk.

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Speaker 2: It's your own risk. I mean he needs to play.

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Speaker 2: And they know that they were factoring him in any

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Speaker 2: way when everybody's healthy. But he will play the Deonta role,

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Speaker 2: and I think he's going to do it really well.

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Speaker 2: That being said, I thought the played great.

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Speaker 1: He was opening, he was and PICKT just missed him.

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Speaker 2: Just missed him. Right, if you just isolate on Johnson

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Speaker 2: in that game, he was tremendous. But it takes to

556
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Speaker 2: to ago.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what the situation is with him. Pat

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Speaker 1: Fryerman got bang up, came back and he at chess contusion,

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Speaker 1: he took that shot to the chest. That's a guy

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Speaker 1: that could benefit for sure from the extra day.

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Speaker 2: I would think one day goes a long way with hi. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he did come back in and out, you know,

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Speaker 2: didn't play every snap from that point on. But I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it's pain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and then of course chuk Shakora for in

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Speaker 1: concussion product call. Again, the extra day helps with that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So if people didn't notice or turned the game off,

568
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Speaker 2: that was what the last four or five plays of

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Speaker 2: the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because Roderick Jones got into enough to get his

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Speaker 1: feet wet and and.

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Speaker 2: Dann Moore went to the right half. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: that's a move if he is a miss time.

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Speaker 1: I did have somebody on social media and I did

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Speaker 1: reply to them that they said, well, I didn't get

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Speaker 1: the chance to watch the game, but I heard none

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Speaker 1: of the rookies played. All the rookies played their only

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Speaker 1: you know, the only two that didn't play with the

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Speaker 1: two rookie offensive linemen, actually there's only one. There's only

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Speaker 1: one rookie offensive lind then the other one, Cook is

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Speaker 1: a first year player.

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Speaker 2: But it didn't start. I guess that was big news

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Speaker 2: to everybody.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't surprising, It wasn't surprising.

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Speaker 2: I think we'll start against the Browns. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a Niner specific thing. Actually I'm not even sure, but

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Speaker 2: hat I mean, well, he was.

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Speaker 1: Here was the thing. He would have played more if

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Speaker 1: they had gotten into more third and long situations. That

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Speaker 1: was the problem he was his package was coming in

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Speaker 1: on third and long. They didn't get the third long

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Speaker 1: very much. A lot of first downs on first he was,

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Speaker 1: so he was on the field for seven plays. Ideally

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Speaker 1: they would have liked to have been him to be

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Speaker 1: on the field. Twelve fifteen snaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and ideally I know the number is very very low.

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Speaker 2: But wide receivers not name Ayuk and Deebo hardly played.

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Speaker 1: They barely played.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't come out in three wide. The Browns

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Speaker 2: will come out in three wide and Portal will be

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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So don't get you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Benton played really well. We talked about it and.

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Speaker 1: Benton played extremely well. I actually have the snap counts here.

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Speaker 1: So when the forty nine ers offensively, let's see here,

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Speaker 1: you check, was on the field sixty two percent of the.

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Speaker 2: Time, the same five out there the whole time.

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Speaker 1: One Jennings played twenty two snaps, the second tight end,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Warner played twenty one. Rusta well, he played twelve,

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Speaker 1: so they I mean you're looking at the Ronnie Bell

611
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Speaker 1: played seven snaps, but somebody's got also won played late

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Speaker 1: in the game when it was over.

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Speaker 2: Kittle was his questionaball all week. Yeah, they're going to

614
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Speaker 2: play him on the last series, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know he played sixty nine percent snap.

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Speaker 2: The first half. Those names hardly saw the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there wasn't a lot of that stuff because again,

618
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Speaker 1: they didn't need to. And what they do.

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Speaker 2: They have a bread and butter five man package that's

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Speaker 2: the best in the league.

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Speaker 1: And you know, even when the Steelers did get stops

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Speaker 1: on their guys like that, you know that if you

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Speaker 1: think about the opening possession for the forty nine Ers,

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Speaker 1: it's it's third and one or I'm sorry, second second

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Speaker 1: and one. Okay, I know it was third and one.

626
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: McCaffrey tries to go over the top, Steelers stuff it right,

627
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: no gain, yeah, and and they immediately run for Yeah,

628
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: and then they go out and they they it was

629
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Speaker 1: an opportunity for the Steelers to make a play on Kittle.

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Speaker 1: He caught the ball behind the line to gain but

631
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Speaker 1: Lando Roberts, you know, just missed a tackle.

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Speaker 2: That There were a lot of those, and there is

633
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Speaker 2: in every football game that you win and lose, that

634
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: there's the game of inches. Stuff isn't made up. I mean,

635
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Speaker 2: if you make a couple of plays it's a lot

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Speaker 2: more competitive.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I mean you get to stop there

638
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Speaker 1: on the opening drive for the four forty nine Ers, Yeah, exactly.

639
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, now you've completely changed the complexion of the game.

640
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: Later in the game, if they're they're in third and

641
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: short or fourth and short, they you know, they run

642
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: something completely different, like we can't run behind the change

643
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Speaker 1: on these guys. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Again, the Steelers were the lesser team, and I'm sure

645
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: you can point the handful of Niners plays that didn't

646
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: go their way, but there were fewer of them as

647
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: for sure. But even like the first punt, what if

648
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Speaker 2: Harvin has a normal punt, Yeah, and they're not operating

649
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Speaker 2: at the fifty or whatever, like oh, you know, like

650
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Speaker 2: little things like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they get it at the thirty five instead of

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Speaker 1: the forty seven or whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: It's a big difference to the first downs and get

654
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Speaker 2: TJ block for the.

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Speaker 1: Well and in that situation, you know, they went for

656
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Speaker 1: it on fourth down. It was like at the just

657
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Speaker 1: outside of field goal range, right, would he have gone

658
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Speaker 1: for it? Would he have gone for it on fourth

659
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Speaker 1: down if it's fourth and one from the from his

660
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Speaker 1: own forty two?

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Speaker 2: Probably not?

662
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Speaker 1: Probably not?

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Speaker 2: You know, and this is the whole script of the

664
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Speaker 2: game changes. I mean, again, they were not an equal

665
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Speaker 2: team to them. But there's a lot of little things

666
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Speaker 2: like that that you could point to that were to

667
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Speaker 2: change the tone of the game.

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Speaker 1: And then when you do flip the you know, you

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Speaker 1: do get the field flipping punt, you get just silly

670
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Speaker 1: stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking here at those rookie snaps, you know you

673
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Speaker 1: Darnel Washington played twenty four.

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Speaker 2: He played a lot, and I thought he played very

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Speaker 2: well in the run game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he played twenty four twenty four snaps on offense,

677
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Speaker 1: eight snaps on special teams. Broderick Jones played four snaps

678
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Speaker 1: on offense when the injury happened, one snap on special teams.

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Speaker 1: Who else are we looking.

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Speaker 2: At special teams, folks? He would just be on field

681
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Speaker 2: goal team.

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Speaker 1: He was out there for the pat Yeah, you mentioned well,

683
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Speaker 1: Nick Herbig played sixteen defensive snaps and twenty on special teams.

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Speaker 1: He in fact, I think he led the team in

685
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Speaker 1: special team snaps. He's out there on everything.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned. Benton. Yeah, we're a cute played around twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I want to say something like that. Mostly when Cam

688
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Speaker 2: went out.

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Speaker 1: Oh there is I have my cursor was right on it.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine snaps he ended up playing. Okay, I mean

691
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Speaker 1: it's a good number of snaps for a young guy

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Speaker 1: in his first game.

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Speaker 2: It is, and I think the next game will be more.

694
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Speaker 2: Assume that reports true on Cam Porter. Was it like

695
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: at nine he.

696
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: Had seven defensive snaps and two special teams? Okay?

697
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Speaker 2: I mean you guys are rookies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean they got into this game and played.

699
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Speaker 1: Let's not pretend that they weren't out there at all

700
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Speaker 1: things rookies. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're probably gonna go up and Porter's gonna

702
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Speaker 2: play more than seven snaps next game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't look at that as a negative

704
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Speaker 1: or anything of the sort. In this first game, you know,

705
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Speaker 1: I was kind of I was pleasantly surprised that Ogan

706
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Speaker 1: Jobi played sixty three percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, let's expect to that. I either I

708
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 2: know what to think of that, And if you told me,

709
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Speaker 2: and I didn't think he was a liability, I mean

710
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Speaker 2: I thought he was fine. Again nobody but what was great?

711
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Speaker 1: Right? He wasn't a liability, you know, so they were

712
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Speaker 1: able to you know Marcus Golden twenty five snaps I mentioned,

713
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Speaker 1: you know, with with her big sixteen snaps. I mean

714
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: those guys, they were rotating those guys in and out.

715
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Speaker 1: That might have been part of the problem. Maybe he

716
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: had too many guys playing on defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some of the communicating against that team

718
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: is really difficult to begin with, the way he puts

719
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Speaker 2: you in conflict, and maybe there was a little bit

720
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Speaker 2: of we haven't played together situation. I don't know. I mean,

721
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Speaker 2: it's as good a theory as any, to be honest.

722
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Speaker 2: But I also want to mention high Smith, like I

723
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: expected very little from him, but I think he forced

724
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Speaker 2: Trent Williams into a penalty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They did some twists and stunts, as you mentioned in

727
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: pre game, you know, leading up to the game.

728
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Speaker 1: A couple he got off the blocks a couple of

729
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Speaker 1: times in the tackle. So it wasn't like he was

730
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Speaker 1: just not he was.

731
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Speaker 2: It wasn't neutralized. No, And anytime they tried to blocking

732
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Speaker 2: the tight end, he killed him.

733
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: So did he lay a score of sheet. No, But

735
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Speaker 2: he proved once again that he's a really good player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you look at the final stat line,

737
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Speaker 1: on him, you know, not going to be super impressive

738
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Speaker 1: trying to find him here.

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Speaker 2: I think he had like eight tackles or something like that,

740
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Speaker 2: or you know what I mean.

741
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Speaker 1: He was Yeah, he had seven seven tackles a tackle

742
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Speaker 1: for a loss. Again, you're playing against Trent Williams. Like

743
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of guys when they play against Tron Williams,

744
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: you get the goose egg, you get nothing.

745
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Speaker 2: Right, No, I thought he had a good game and

746
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't wasn't real bad against run either or any

747
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: of those things. Again, when he blocked him with tight

748
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: Andy killed him. But he'll cause problems.

749
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, you know they they forced three fumbles in

750
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Speaker 1: that game.

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Speaker 2: They covered one and a half.

752
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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, did I think the inside

753
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: linebackers played great? No, But I will say this, the

754
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: inside linebackers. You know, he got tackles for losses from them.

755
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Landon Roberts had two, Kawhan Alexander didn't have one, but

756
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Hulcomb had a forced fumble in five tackle. I mean

757
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: they got more plays out of those guys in one

758
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: game than we saw like a month last year.

759
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Speaker 2: The linebackers as a whole, as you'd imagine, had a

760
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: tough day, and that's a tough assignment. They'll have the

761
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Speaker 2: I thought Holcombe in both phases struggled. I thought Robert's

762
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: coming downhill though, is a problem. I mean, he's a

763
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Speaker 2: certain type of guy and when you ask him to

764
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: do those certain things, he's pretty darn good at it.

765
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Speaker 2: Blitzer downhill player, not a turn and run cover guy.

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Speaker 2: And I thought Alexander was fine across the board. Yeah

767
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Speaker 2: he was okay, Yeah, I mean he covers a lot

768
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Speaker 2: of ground, he shows up, he made tackles, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's only going to get better the

770
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Speaker 1: more they play together and get used to playing with each.

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Speaker 2: A point about a lot of different bodies being on

772
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Speaker 2: the field, yeah, a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Rotating because you know, I mean we didn't get to

774
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Speaker 1: see the three safeties on the field together a lot

775
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Speaker 1: training camp, because you know, Minka was out the first

776
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Speaker 1: couple weeks of training camp. You know, then you you know,

777
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Speaker 1: you had injuries with the other guys, so they weren't

778
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Speaker 1: out there a lot. And so the communication part of it,

779
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: not just a communication part, but how they like to

780
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: play and how they you know, everybody had talked to

781
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: our run fits weren't exactly where we needed to be well. Again,

782
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: that's the thing that that that guys get used to

783
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: playing with one another in this defense and understanding where

784
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: those run fits are supposed to be at. So you

785
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: had three new linebackers and essentially two new safeties out there. Yeah,

786
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: because Case just he played last year, but he didn't

787
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: play that spot.

788
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Speaker 2: They weren't liabilities. But Golden and her bigger new you know, Yeah,

789
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: Benton's a new guy that was on the team before.

790
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of new defensive players everybody knows.

791
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Speaker 2: And again this is an excuses, you know, he's just

792
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: some things that happened. But Week ones also just weird

793
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: in the league too. I mean, it's an unpredictable week.

794
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: There were some things. You know, the Chief's gonna lose again,

795
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: or the Bengal's gonna look that bad. Probably not, you know, yeah.

796
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: If they do, then that that's the thing. If this

797
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: continues to be an issue week after week. Right now,

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Speaker 1: it's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Now it's a problem, and it might be I mean,

800
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Speaker 2: we'll see that.

801
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Speaker 1: We're here to analyze, so anyway, we're gonna take another break.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson, I am Dale. You're listening to

803
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Speaker 1: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We will be

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00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 3: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 3: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 3: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lollie. He is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 1: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt

810
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Speaker 1: turning things over here to that Cleveland Browns team. They

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Speaker 1: defeat the Cincinnati Bengals twenty four to three in Cleveland.

812
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: That outcome shouldn't be all that surprising to anybody who's

813
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: actually been paying attention the Browns of now. Joe Burrows

814
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: never won a game in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Right, I know that that's Burrow and the Bengals kryptonite

816
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: of late. You had some stats with Friday when we

817
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: go over games. I didn't realize how bad it's been.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's now one and four against them in his career.

819
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Speaker 1: I think the Bengals. The Browns are now won six

820
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: in a row against the Bengals in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: In terms of EPA, he was the worst quarterback in

822
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: the league so far this week. I mean he was

823
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: under a lot of pressure, but wasn't the slightest bit

824
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: comfortable look terrible, to be honest with you. I mean

825
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: we were mentioned on talking off the air to Higgins

826
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: what had like eight targets and no catches. I mean

827
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Speaker 2: R Chase had a few. The longest completion they had

828
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Speaker 2: was twelve yards twelve yards, twelve yards twelve yards, some

829
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: miraculous stats.

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Speaker 1: Do I think the Bengals are the Browns defense? Is

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00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: that good?

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00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Because remember Joe Burrow didn't play the entire preseason. We

834
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: saw this last year against the Steelers. The difference here

835
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Speaker 1: is that the Browns.

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Speaker 2: Any the other offensive guys right there, I mean they

837
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: all came out looking like that.

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Speaker 1: The Browns went out and ran forty times for two

839
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: undred and six yards in that game.

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00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: That was huge, and that's what they do and they're

841
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: great at it.

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00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: So you basically so you limited the possessions. If you

843
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: remember the game against the Steelers last year in Cincinnati,

844
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: the Steelers got out to a big lead on them,

845
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: but they didn't run the ball like that the ball

846
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: so he kept giving the Bengals more possessions and eventually,

847
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, Burrow got warmed up a little bit, and

848
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,479
Speaker 1: you know, ties the game that didn't have a chance

849
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: to happen in this game because the Browns just went

850
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: out and ran the ball forty carries for two hundred and.

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00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: Six yards, and Watson had a fair share.

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00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: He had five for forty five. Yeah, okay, but the

853
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: long run was by Elijah Moore, a nineteen yard run

854
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: like Chub had. Chubb had seventeen seventeen yard run. Jerome

855
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Ford had a seventeen yard run. It was grinding.

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00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: It was grinding they did. They did some interesting things

857
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: on offense. They played some snaps without a running back

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00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: on the field, you know, with Watson still being a

859
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: potential runner. They played three tight ends at times, you know.

860
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: I mean, so they're gonna throw a lot at you.

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00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: Chubb's role has grown. I mean he's gonna catch more.

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00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: I think he led their most catches or something.

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00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: In five or six, had four for twenty one. Yeah.

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 2: I mean that's rare for him to catch more than one.

865
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Speaker 2: So he's been on the field a little bit more.

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00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: They lost their right tackle. Off was okay, it wasn't great.

867
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper was in and out of line up to

868
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: Their defense was smothering and really aggressive. But I don't

869
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: know that the Bengals or themselves. I know the Bengals

870
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: weren't themselves.

871
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: Weather it was also a factor in that game as well,

872
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: at a lot of I don't believe. Well, yeah, it

873
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: was not great. Yeah, but I'm just looking at this

874
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: from a Browns perspective. Here. Watson finished sixteen of twenty

875
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: nine for one hundred and fifty four yards. He ever,

876
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: was five point three yards per attempt.

877
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: He wasn't impressive throwing football.

878
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: If you look at the completions to the outside receivers.

879
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: Moore had three catches on seven targets. Cooper had three

880
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: catches on seven targets. So that's six for fourteen throwing

881
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: the outside receivers. Ye people's Jones had one catch on

882
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: two peoples.

883
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: Jones and Moore played the most snaps of the three.

884
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean throwing to his actual wide receivers,

885
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: he had seven completions on sixteen pass attempts.

886
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he struggled with traditional quarterback stuff.

887
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean I think you look at that

888
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: and say, okay, you could get after this guy. Now

889
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: you take Jack Conklin out of the equation, and I

890
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: don't care how everybody's excited about this. This you know

891
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: their their third round draft pick. He's still a rookie.

892
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: He's still rookie. I frankly don't even care who their.

893
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Right tackle was. It's TJ. Watts. It's TJ Wats. Yeah.

894
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Conklin's great either, to be honest

895
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: with you, right, Yeah, I mean it's DJ Watts side.

896
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a problem. Yeah, will be an issue,

897
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, So shut down the running game. You know,

898
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: Chub at eighteen for one oh six and they get

899
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Jerome Ford at fifteen for thirty six.

900
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: I don't think they had any long runs though, Yeah.

901
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: It was just both of them didn't play a seventeen

902
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: yard run. Yeah, the Bengals D kept them in the game.

903
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: That was a That was a thirteen three game going

904
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: into the fourth quarter.

905
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bengals D hung a round as long as

906
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: they could, and I'm sure they got squashed on time

907
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: of possession and week one you're gonna start to wear down.

908
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, Bengals D was fine. It was both defenses

909
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: were pretty good to be.

910
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Just looking here at the team stats. Yeah, the the

911
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Browns ran seventy two plays, the Bengals ran fifty four.

912
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: Okay, makes sense so.

913
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: And when that happens, you're going to get out gained.

914
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: It was three fifty to two, So even though the

915
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: Browns held the ball for a long time, there was

916
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: four point nine yards offense.

917
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: Really wasn't that impressive? No, I mean the defense was,

918
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: and Garrett was a star and all those guys were

919
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: flying around, but partially that was because of the Bengals too.

920
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think that the Browns d is improved.

921
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, question, it's much different than what we're used

922
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: to seeing. They're going to be much more aggressive. But

923
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking here at Garrett. Two tackles, one sack, one

924
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: tackle for a loss, four quarterback hits. Wasn't it any

925
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: more impressive than what Watt did?

926
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh? No? What was what a phenomenal game?

927
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean again, five tackles, three sacks, two forced fumbles,

928
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: and five quarterback hits.

929
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: Like, one thing I did see today is it was

930
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: only a handful of plays. But they would take Garrett

931
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 2: like they've done with Watt and kind of roam him

932
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: around on the second level a little bit so than

933
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: they've done. They even dropped him into coverage a couple

934
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: of times. Defensive coordinator, they do have some new wrinkles.

935
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: They play a little bit unorthodox on offense too. You know,

936
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: I mentioned all the three tight end stuff, and I'm

937
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: sure they're flying high right now. I mean, that was

938
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: an impressive win over what people think is a good

939
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: Bengals team, and I think it's a really good Bengals

940
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: team too. But we've been saying for three months I

941
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: want to play the Bengals.

942
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: In Week one or Week two.

943
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they don't play their other guys, and you.

944
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: Know, maybe they changed that next year and they didn't

945
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: have a choice the last two.

946
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: Well Borrow not but he could have played one offensive

947
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: line some you know, they didn't do that two years

948
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: ago either.

949
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: Hey, I still think Joan Williams had that right tack

950
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: right tackle an issue.

951
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: And I don't think mixing is particularly great either.

952
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he actually, I mean he has four point three.

953
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: He wasn't bad though, I mean in terms of production, but.

954
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: He had a twenty two yard run in there.

955
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: And I'd say the Browns run defense is okay.

956
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

957
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: Awful last year.

958
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: Moving over to that Baltimore game.

959
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: They're lucky they played Houston, that's all I missay. They

960
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: were rusty going. I mean figuring things out, whatever you

961
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: want to say, but they they weren't impressive either. Lamar

962
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: did very little.

963
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: He had He was seventeen to twenty two, which sounds great,

964
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: but for only one hundred and sixty nine yards through

965
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: an interception, no touchdown. Passes, got sacked four times.

966
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: Two offensive line injuries, yeah.

967
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: Two offensive line injuries that are going to be multiple weeks.

968
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: He fumbled twice, like okay.

969
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: Houston looked like a rookie quarterback with a rookie head

970
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: coach and a very young team in a very hostile environment.

971
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: And the Ravens looked like the professional team that hasn't

972
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: figured it out yet. Yeah.

973
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm just looking here at the box score and this

974
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: once again tells me that this game was in Baltimore.

975
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: And here's why tackle, Here's why I say this. So

976
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith, I'm looking here like, wow, sixteen tackles for

977
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: Rokwan Smith, eight solo. So if he's near the pile,

978
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: he's getting an assist. They're just trying to blow up

979
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: those tackle numbers because they had three guys with double

980
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: with double digits. Brandon Stevens had twelve tackles, eight solo.

981
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: How about this one, Patrick Queen eleven tackles, three solo.

982
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: Wow, Houston must have run like one hundred and fifty plays.

983
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess if they did that out, so forty

984
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: six they were. They were credited with forty six solo

985
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: tackles in the game, so nobody, okay, but eighty total

986
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: tackles in the game.

987
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: Total tackles, and yeah, they didn't run that many snaps.

988
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: With all respector Ray Lewis, who's at all time great,

989
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, but his tackle numbers were inflatd.

990
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: I just want to look at him and scoring see

991
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: how many plays were run against him. Houston ran where's

992
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: it at?

993
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: It's probably like sixty.

994
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: Well, they did run seventy two total play Baltimore ran

995
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: fifty eight.

996
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: Maybe that's not quite as egregious as usual, but.

997
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: You know, you had seventy two plays ran against you.

998
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: What about the incompletions?

999
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: What's interesting too, is I mean, we're gonna talk a ton.

1000
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: Look at this. Now, that was okay? So CJ. Stroud

1001
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: throw had sixteen incompletions in the game. Of those eighty players,

1002
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: no tackles on those, Yeah, good poay. So that knocks

1003
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: it down when I say it.

1004
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: Was do you get a tackle for a sack?

1005
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:02,959
Speaker 1: Yes?

1006
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: Okay, so if you have a single sack, you get

1007
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: a tackle and a sack.

1008
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you brought somebody to the ground somebody, right, Yeah,

1009
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: that's a lot. Seventy plays, that's fifty four plays, and

1010
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: they had sixty two tackles, solos or whatever whatever I

1011
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: said it was. Don't you know again, this happens when

1012
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: you're in Baltimore. The Ravens when they play, they play

1013
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: I think in Cincinnati next week. You'll watch it.

1014
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: That's a huge game.

1015
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because both these North games are giant, unbelievable. You

1016
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: don't want to start owing too.

1017
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: I mean the Bengals or Steelers start owing too, you

1018
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: trouble troublesome, especially the Bengals. That would be two division losses, right,

1019
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: I mean, losing to an NFC team doesn't hurt nearly

1020
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: as bad as losing the Browns and Ravens.

1021
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, the Ravens defense didn't do they didn't

1022
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: have to. They were okay, but they didn't have to

1023
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: do anything.

1024
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: They didn't have to do much.

1025
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, let's just get out, get out of your

1026
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: own way.

1027
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: No, I still worry about the Ravens defense quite a bit. Yeah, so, uh,

1028
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: you know, offense just work in progress. And to be honest,

1029
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: I feel so bad for JK. Dobbins. I mean, it

1030
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: just gets back off a really rough knee injury and

1031
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: then his season's over. He's gonna be a free agent.

1032
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: Who's gonna sign him? I mean, off that injury, and

1033
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: then before you know it, you got five years in

1034
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: the league as a running back and you really haven't

1035
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: done it up against the wall, right, I mean, your

1036
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: shelf life isn't long to begin with.

1037
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: Well, I heard somebody say what they should They should

1038
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: go out and sign Kareem Hunt. I'm like, is that

1039
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: really the team that wants to sign Kareem Hunt? The

1040
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: ray Rice team? The ray Rice team, Do they really

1041
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: want to do that?

1042
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 2: Ownership might not be cool with that. I think they

1043
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: activated Melvin Gordon.

1044
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at this point, I could see maybe

1045
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette, but not I don't I don't know about Taylor.

1046
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can afford him to shuffle.

1047
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you can even move

1048
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: Lamar's money at this point. I mean, I don't know

1049
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: their finance as well enough, but I would at least

1050
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: consider it. If I were them, I.

1051
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: Would consider it as well. But I don't know that

1052
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: you can afford him.

1053
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: And you know, well, then you got to sign him

1054
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: and extend him.

1055
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get That's that's the part of it. You've

1056
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: got to you know, if you can't just say, well,

1057
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: we'll take care of at the end of the year,

1058
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: if you Jonathan tier are like, well, wait a second,

1059
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't have any relationship with you. I don't know

1060
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: what you're going to do.

1061
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: Less he just once out of Indie, Yeah, which could

1062
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: be the PA.

1063
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I mean they weren't super impressive in

1064
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: that game. They did. They did have five sacks on CJ. Stroud,

1065
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: but it's a rookie quarterback making his first career start

1066
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I think everybody expected that.

1067
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: Of the eight units in the division, the Browns defense

1068
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: was the best. But they also had a pretty generous

1069
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: offering against them considering Burrows situation.

1070
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you would have said the same thing

1071
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: about the Steelers defense last year after Week one. Oh,

1072
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: they were they were believable. Yeah, five turnovers and eight

1073
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: eight sacks against against Burrow. Unbelievable.

1074
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So and they were you know, take it kind

1075
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: of like Steelers Niners thing, you know, take advantage of.

1076
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: What you play, who you play.

1077
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: When there's no one and no one's feeling the Cowboys

1078
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: weren't feeling bad for the Giants.

1079
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: One bit, not one bit. Hey, we're gonna take another break.

1080
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: When we come back, it's time for the Fantasy Football Focus.

1081
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: Very nice part.

1082
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: Lineup did quite well, man. Let's take a look at

1083
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: that when we come back. Right after this, this is

1084
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.