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Speaker 1: Israel's response, and there should be a response should not

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Speaker 1: be proportionate. It should be far stronger, because when the

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Speaker 1: turns fails to re establish it, you have to teach

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Speaker 1: the adversary that any gain they may hope to get

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Speaker 1: the damage that will be caused.

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Speaker 2: Oh you recognize that voice, perhaps as John Bolton, who's

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Speaker 2: one of the hockiest of the hawks out there, former

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Speaker 2: Trump administration dude. All the way he hates Trump. He says,

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Speaker 2: we get Israel has to hit back hard at Iran,

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Speaker 2: and the administration has made it very clear they're the

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Speaker 2: exact opposite. You take the win, and if you try

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Speaker 2: to hit back, WI ain't going to help you.

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Speaker 3: For those who are busy watching the Masters or other fare,

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Speaker 3: over the weekend, Iran launched hundreds of drones and missiles

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Speaker 3: at Israel. The vast, vast majority of them intercepted and

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Speaker 3: did very little damage. But what comes next? Doctor Jeff mccauslin,

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Speaker 3: CBS News military consultant joins us now to discuss.

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Speaker 2: Jeff.

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Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing very well and great with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just start with the witch of those two approaches.

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Speaker 2: Do you like the Bolton approach or the Biden approach?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm kind of leaning towards the Biden proach quite

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Speaker 4: frankly at this take your moment. I mean, one has

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Speaker 4: to talk about using military force to what end. Mister Bolton,

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Speaker 4: very hawkish kind of guy, as you described, and he's right.

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Speaker 4: You could argue that by doing a massive response this

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Speaker 4: serves to enhance the terrence for future and perhaps prevent

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Speaker 4: future war. You can make that particular argument, but this

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Speaker 4: will in this case, I would argue, Israel's got a

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Speaker 4: lot of war right now to take care of, and

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Speaker 4: so expanding this and going into another major conflict with

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Speaker 4: Iran might not be the most appropriate thing to happen

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Speaker 4: at the moment. You know, you do deterrence, as he

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Speaker 4: talked about, through punishment, That's what he's just striving. He

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Speaker 4: also did do deterrence through denial, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 4: the Israelis did, in which they really, in some ways,

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Speaker 4: I would say, made the Iranians look strategically kind of foolish.

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Speaker 4: When you fire three hundred drones, cruise missiles and ballistic

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Speaker 4: missiles and only a handful actually hit target, ninety nine

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Speaker 4: percent are destroyed, and then reality, Okay, we fired seven

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Speaker 4: missiles at a target in Damascus, they all hit target.

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Speaker 4: They killed an Iranian Revolutionary Guard general officer whose deputy

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Speaker 4: and several others, and your effort of three hundred weapons

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Speaker 4: managed so far to kill one Palestinian girl. Might we

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Speaker 4: want to focus our attention on the war in Gaza?

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Speaker 4: Might we want to use this as an effort to

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Speaker 4: diplomatically isolate Iran even further and perhaps recruits some of

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Speaker 4: the loss we've had in the world community. Might we

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Speaker 4: actually want to use this as a leverage to encourage

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Speaker 4: the United States to move forward as quickly as possible

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Speaker 4: in providing US additional military aid. I think that might

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Speaker 3: Government, Jeff. I think if you assume that Iran has

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Speaker 3: can see that point of view a little more clearly.

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Speaker 3: But I've heard it suggested by some that this was

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Speaker 3: dry run address rehearsal if you will, and that a

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Speaker 3: multi front attack could be coming, and that's why you

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Speaker 3: we're going to make every single level of this too

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Speaker 4: No, And you can certainly make that argument, but concerned

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Speaker 4: I would have with all the conflicts. If all these

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Speaker 4: other conflicts weren't ongoing, then that argument might become much

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Speaker 4: more persuasive. Your military forces are heavily engaged with the

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Speaker 4: gos I. You're facing a major offensive military operation Rofit.

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Speaker 4: You're facing a very high likelihood of having to make

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Speaker 4: forgive me Israeli refugees to return their homes. You've got

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Speaker 4: Could that response be a massive cyber attack against Iran?

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Speaker 4: Israelis are capable of doing that. Could this be over

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Speaker 2: Was this a real attempt by Iran to blow stuff

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Speaker 2: telegraphed gesture for all kinds of different political reasons that

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean fire three hundred weapons to somebody, it

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Speaker 4: So the Iranians has really try to argue that this

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Speaker 4: I guess, assuaged their honor for the killing of this

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Speaker 3: On CBS military analyst on the line, Jeff, I'm really intriguing,

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Speaker 3: Feels like maybe the dawn of a new relationship there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these people don't like Aroan. I was just at

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, Saudi's may have provided some information in tracking

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Speaker 4: not sure we would see them then, just were of

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Speaker 4: that particular conflict. In fact, the jority of the Deans

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Speaker 4: have suggested, we defend our airspace. If it's Iranian missiles

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Speaker 4: to do the same thing. And for the Israelis, a

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Speaker 4: major response could be done to some degree using missiles

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Speaker 4: they have sun but the Israeli military force would be

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Speaker 4: I think more likely to try to employ aircraft. I

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Speaker 4: have thirty five in some type of series of air strikes.

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Speaker 4: That's a very complex operation based on the distances involved,

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Speaker 4: ability to do aerial refueling, which Israel has at best

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Speaker 4: a very limited ability to do so absent direct US involvement.

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Speaker 4: And the Biden administration has said, hey, we're going to

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Speaker 4: defend you, will help defend you, but we're not going

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Speaker 4: provide military forces. Three part and parcel of an Israeli counterattack.

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Speaker 3: Jeff mccauslin's CBS News military consultant, Jeff, thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for the time, good stuff.

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Speaker 4: Take care of guys, Armstrong and Getty