WEBVTT - Mark Long 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.680 So yeah, it's Master's weekend, and for those of you 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:05.200 that don't know what that is, it's an important weekend 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:10.160 for Dad's All Across America golf tournament in Georgia. Everything's 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:12.159 green there, and that's what I've been doing. I've been 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:18.000 watching that because your boy is starting to trend towards Dad. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.400 I'm not a dad, I'm a dog dad. But like 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.520 I always thought of myself was like the cool young 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:27.200 hip hips the radio DJ, going to all the shows, 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.880 drinking and smoking and being cool. And now I'm like, 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.680 I gotta watch the Masters guys, a tradition unlike any 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.160 other or whatever. It's kind of fun speaking of masters. 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.959 Do we have one on the show today. Let's get 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:46.080 this thing go and run it. This is the Wells 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:53.960 Cast with Wells, Adams and I Heart Radio podcast. The 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.200 show is kind of like a tradition like any other 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.560 to be honest with then, you know, no one ever 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:06.759 thought to interview people about their past groundbreaking stuff. Wells. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.440 You truly are a visionary, a trailblazer if you will. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.160 Now this is this is a show that's been done before. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.560 It'll be done again long after I'm gone, which actually 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:21.319 be pretty soon. Considering I'm in uh dad bud Master's mode, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:25.320 so I'm about three minutes away from the earlier birds 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:30.640 special at the Golden Corral dementia and a smooth transition 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:34.240 into cold, hard death. How's dark whatever? It's been a 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.280 year man. You've boys got the vaccine though, so that 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.119 ain't gonna kill him. Got the Madern, which I will say, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.560 uh second show. The Madern put me on my ass. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:50.560 I was being so arrogant to the vaccine. Gods are like, you, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.440 stupid bitch, We shall get you. I got mine at 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.880 like ten in the morning. You've been hearing like all 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:58.560 these just kind of horror stories, and I was like, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.160 how do I feel? What's going on? Around ten pm, 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:02.960 So twelve hours after I have the shot, I was like, 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.320 I think I'm in the clear, guys. I think that 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.679 my amazing immune system is totally gonna just float by 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.200 this thing and I am not gonna feel anything. Took 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:18.040 a mellowtone, went in bed, knocked it out, and then 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.320 about three in the morning, you boys started getting the fever, dreams, 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.480 the flop sweat. Oh, and then I just felt like 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.399 hot death for about twelve more hours. But I feel fine, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.160 and you know what's exciting about that? Yet, Yes, like 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.360 it was a day of just achiness and it's not 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.560 feeling great, but you know that, like meme of Leonardo 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.600 DiCaprio walking on the beach being like here we go. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.000 I feel like that now I can walk through the 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.799 world like that. I'm still gonna wear a math I'm sumy, 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.839 smart and stuff, and I'm still gonna wash my hands 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.920 a lot because you should anyway, because you stn't be gross. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.840 But it's like a new world, Oh new world. Super 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:56.280 pumped about today's show. Okay, my guest today is a 0:02:56.320 --> 0:03:00.040 guy that's been in reality TV longer than most of 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.280 my audience. I feel like has been alive, just some mainstay, 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.959 a trailblazer if you will, in the reality TV world. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.040 You know, after doing Worst Cooks with Johnny, I became 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.720 this huge challenge fan and now Sarah and I are obsessed. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.079 So having this guy on the show today makes me 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.919 really really excited by Also, like I said earlier, I'm 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.560 getting up there in the age bracket. And your boy 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:29.480 was in high school in the mid to late nineties. Okay, facts, 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.040 and so I was a huge real world road rules 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.000 guy and the guy that we have on the show 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:40.080 today was from the first ever road Rules season. But 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.600 that's not all he did. Man, literally, this dude has 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:49.240 done everything. He was on Fox Reality's longest running original series, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.880 Reality Remix, which, by the way, how does that show 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.200 not exist anymore? With the advent of all these amazing 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.640 reality TV shows whatever, He basically interviewed hundreds of reality 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.800 stars and reviewed their shows genius. He was the gadget 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.520 guru on multiple daytime talk shows, including like the New 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.520 Donnie and Marie Show, Soap Talk, and so many more. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.119 He was a lead host for E Entertainment three hour 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:15.040 live morning show called That Morning Show. And of course 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.240 it's a two time Challenge winner, which is baller. What 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.240 about a year and a half ago, he hopped on 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.680 Twitter and he sent out a tweet saying, Hey, Challenge fans, 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.240 how do you guys feel about an O G version 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.320 of the Challenge, shorter shooting schedule, some of the best 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.880 O G personalities? And guess what? That thing went viral. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.000 So my guest today signed a partnership deal with the 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.479 production company that led to the MTV slash Paramount Plus 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:45.280 deal and that birth the new concept The Challenge All Stars, 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.960 which is now airing on Paramount Plus. If you are 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.040 a fan of the Challenge, uh, you better go watch 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.360 The Challenge All Stars. So on the Wells Cast today 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.360 we have the Godfather. That's right, the one, the only 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.599 Mark Long eyes. This is one you do not want 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:19.360 to stick around, all right, welcome back to the Wells Cast. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.560 Very excited to have well, let's just say it, one 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.560 of the greats from reality TV on the show. And 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.000 as someone who has been on reality TV now for 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.440 seven years, I can't imagine doing it for as long 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.320 as this guy. Speaking of the word long, Mark Long 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.320 on the show. How are you, bro? Yes, as always, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.840 Wells coming in hot and ferocious just for you, my man, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.719 I look young and beautiful, It's true, but I am. 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:51.120 I'm on the wrong end of thirty and Bro. I 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.360 remember your season of road Rules back in the mid 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.000 nineties and I was a huge fan. I had the 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.400 miss on I don't know, maybe a year year ago, 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.400 and I was fan blowing out. So having you on 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.839 the show is very, very exciting. So thank you for 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.560 being here. That is awesome. Yeah, you're you're aging me 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.000 right off the bat with my nine road Rules call out. Yeah, 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.640 I turned fifty this year. Well, isn't that terrible? I mean, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.120 when you're growing up, fifty is so old when you're 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.760 like eighteen. So I'm there, I am there, my friend. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.360 I didn't age you. You aged yourself because you created 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:30.800 the challenge to debate my friend Challenge All Stars, which 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.479 is a sweet way of saying the Challenge a a 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.600 RP edition, Just so you know, like I need you 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.960 to understand, like where I'm coming from. I wasn't a 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.760 fan of the Challenge. I was a fan of road 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.960 Rules and Real World growing up. I actually auditioned for 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.560 Real World funny enough years ago in college and then 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.440 that's a And then I wasn't a fan of the 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:55.320 Challenge until I went on Worse Cooks in America celebrity addition, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.479 it's really most term there, and I went up against 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.520 a gentleman by then him of Johnny Bananas, and then 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.800 I became friends with him. I beat his ass on 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.839 the show, which was nice because I found out that 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.080 he's some great challenge guy. Since then, my fiance Sarah 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:16.640 and myself have become fucking addicted to the Challenge. This 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.920 most recent season is amazing. So right off the bat, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.120 before we get into your iteration of it. Are you 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.560 watching the Challenge right now? It's airing on MTV. Of 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.120 course we're We're approaching the finals on that series. I'm 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.600 a big CT fan, so I'll always root for the 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.559 o G. And it's great because I actually I'm super 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.320 close with Johnny. He was actually out here for his 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.760 birthday and we went we had to come to a dinner, 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.600 but I watched you beat his ass on Worst Cooks 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.520 in America. So you can always have that that feather 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.760 in your cap as you move forward in this reality 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.160 realm my friends. So it's yeah, kudos to you. It 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.800 was awesome. I'm glad that you said CT, because there's 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:59.200 nothing more that I love than someone who's really good 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.880 an interview. I'm new to this whole challenge thing, so 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.760 what I'm tweeting or I'm instagramming about how much I 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.840 love CT and Big Tea and their dynamic and like 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.200 how cute they are, how good both of them are 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.520 an interview. People are hitting me back being like Sects 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.360 a snake. He's always been like this and you shouldn't 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.920 root for him, Like, first of all, I can forever 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.320 I want because that's the whole joining the show I 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.000 come at it from a different angle of I love 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.920 CT because if I was a producer on that show, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.240 I would absolutely cream my pants every time I sat 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.360 down with him. That sounded weird, but it's true because 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.280 he gives you such good soundbites. And the thing with 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.280 your show. The challenge all Stars is that I always 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.160 say this about Bachelor in Paradise, it's the reality TV 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.920 all Stars from the Bachelor World's everyone who's very very 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.480 good at being on camera and doing interviews. And I 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.840 imagine that's kind of what this is. This is everyone 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.040 who's very very good at being on camera. And I 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.960 will go even a step further. So a lot of people, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.480 when they first saw the show kind of come out 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.760 in the press, they were like all Stars. Well. They 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.720 instantly went to people's resumes, like how many challenges have 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.520 they won? And I was like, whoaa, we'll pump the 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.679 brakes because this initially started as the O G project. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.480 You know some of those people that you haven't seen 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.400 in ten twenty years. That was my goal. So all Stars, 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.640 I'm exactly like you. I used the all star termid 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.920 the fact that they have an all star personality, They 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.360 have an all star reputation within the challenge, they have 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.040 an all star moment in the past challenges that has 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.640 been epics. So I don't go to the resumes of 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.319 win or lose. I go to the resume of who's 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.199 gonna show up, who's gonna give us their best personality, 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.720 and who's some of the most fan favorites. I mean, Beth, Ruthy, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.400 cyrus Um. Those are some names that everyone grew up 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.679 with and can relate to instantly. And then you have 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.000 those wild cards thrown in like the tech Money's or 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.040 the Sella's or the yes is that people just they 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.760 really went off the grid, So it's nice to bring 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.720 those people back. I think I've said this before. The 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.640 nostalgia of the fact that we grew up with the 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.920 audience just like they grew up with us, So there's 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.840 kind of an emotional connection. They're not just hey, who's this. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.960 Who's Kyle from the from the UK? That guy looks familiar, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.760 So there's kind of an invested kind of emotional attachment 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.920 before the season even starts, because you grew up with 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:16.960 these folks and that was my main goal, and I 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:18.440 think we hit it out of the park and I 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.800 couldn't be more happy than the response we've had so far. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.800 It's been amazing. Bar Stool said it was perfect, which 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.679 that's high praise from the place that's primarily known as 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.760 talking about people so well done. That's what I said. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.240 I said, if we can get bar Stool Sports, who 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.040 ships on everyone, they're the realist person out there to 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.880 say it's perfect, we did something right. I'm actually going 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.720 on with them later today live and uh, they get 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.400 it though. They they don't care that people are the 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.040 strongest or the most in shape. They love good television. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:52.000 It's entertaining as hell, and it's fun to see, you know, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.600 someone that's not an Olympic athletes struggle but still be 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.360 funny along the way. And I think, you know, Middle 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.480 America is not you know, probably out there during the 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.160 winters running fifty miles and you know, so it's like, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.680 it's nice to show the average portion of America that 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.680 that moms and dad's mothers, fathers can still strap on 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.840 the speedo and to go out there and melt some 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:14.199 ice with their ass, you know what I mean. So 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.000 it's nice. Going back to the genesis of the Challenge 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.280 all Stars, I was reading up on you and I 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.400 guess I just assumed that Viacom was like, all right, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.160 we've got this new streaming service, let's just create some 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.960 new programming for Paramount Plus. This will be an easy fit. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.240 And then as I dug a little bit deeper, I 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.160 saw that the origins came from a tweet that you 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.200 had sent out, just like kind of asking the fans 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.800 out there what their appetite was for something like this 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.120 goes viral boat a bing bought a boom. You're now 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.680 an EP on the show. Yeah, I'm executive, I'm a 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.920 player coach as they say, EP and competitor. Yeah, I 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.440 threw I threw out the tweet in late July, US 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.880 Weekly picked it up and it went nuts. And then uh, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.719 some different outlets started reaching out to me. People Magazine, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.760 you know, Yahoo, all the different ones. So I knew 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.480 there was a temperament for it. I knew there was 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.520 an audience for it. And once I met with Bua 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.760 Murray who does the challenges, and we established that partnership deal, 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.960 there was really no other place that I wanted to 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.800 take it first but MTV and the fact that it 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.320 coincided with the release of their partnership with Paramount Plus. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.400 Everything lined up. So when I first pitched it in 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.439 late July, to have it shot and airing in April 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.280 is pretty you know, the business, it's insane, so it 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.720 happened really quick. Um, the talent that I got is 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.200 a plus. They're super funny and it's just a fun, 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.800 nostalgic show that I've had so many people just like 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.480 I just smiled through the whole episode because it's just fun. 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.640 It's a fun show. The music is fucking awesome, so 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.760 it's a good throwback show. How is it not a 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.680 conflict of interest to be a producer but also be 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.960 contestant on the show. So when I initially started, my 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.960 role was to gather lots of names that were interested. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.480 So I pulled probably eighty names and put together probably 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.439 eighty bios. Spoke with eighty you know o g cast 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.920 members kind of gave him a speel about you know, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.360 this isn't a challenge. We're gonna be leaving for ten 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.240 eleven weeks. That's one of the reasons we can't go 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.320 on in the first place. So I said, how would 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:17.960 you feel about a two to three weeks you know, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.079 shooting schedule, and if I can make this happen. Will 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.600 you be will you be interested in there? Like everyone 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.840 I asked said yeah. So when I got them to 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.000 sign on and do the partnership, I got the executive 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:30.319 producer credit right off the bat, just by doing that 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.079 pre production work. So once they established that I was 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.920 going to be a cast member, I didn't know the format. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:37.840 I didn't know the games we're gonna play. I actually 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.480 didn't even know the host until I showed up on set, 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.640 because that's how secretive they pushed it away from me. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.319 So when you watch it, I don't have any kind 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.120 of insider trading knowledge. I show up just like everyone else, thinking, well, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.480 there's ice blox, we're probably gonna be melting ice box, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.960 or there's a crane. I guess we're doing stuff high today. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:57.559 So in terms of a competitive advantage you'll see as 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.400 the series goes, I definitely do not have a petitive 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.720 advantage in terms of knowing what we do before it happened. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.720 So that kind of how was that worked out? If 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.600 I'm in your shoes and I'm creating this thing and 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.480 I'm kind of doing all the heavy lifting in terms 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.600 of logistics of of you know, the architecture of the show. 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.480 Why aren't you hosting? That's like me being like, I 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.520 want to do a Bachelor at style show, and then 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:20.960 I create the whole thing, and then I'm like, and 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.640 I also want to like go and be like one 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.080 of twenty seven dudes and date one ship. Like that 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.000 to me, I'd like, no, I want to go be 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.120 the host of the show. Well, I wanted to. I 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.840 think what MTV did im paramount, which was smart, is 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.200 bringing t J over to host kind of was a 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.720 bridge to that younger generation and the older generation that 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.880 we have in terms of audience. So, you know, having 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.520 him be the figurehead of both shows. I think it's 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.640 a nice combination that kind of pools from each age 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.400 group because he's now known young and old as being 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.520 the guy. So would I have hosted it? Of course, 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.920 Look I'm an egomaniac. I'm like you. I would have 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.880 loved to host it, but I just thought for the 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.080 show's sake in terms of the big picture, because I 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.160 have a master plan of this whole thing, uh wells, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.760 and it is to do probably eight or nine seasons 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.480 of the All Stars and then as a spinoff series, 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.560 not like a ten season, but as a spinoff series. 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.280 Almost like a super Bowl of Challenges. We have the 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.160 older folks versus the newer folks in a super Bowl 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.840 of Challenges. So I definitely want to be part of that, 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.440 and that is my my framework if I could create 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:30.320 the next five years of this show, So just keep 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:31.960 an eye out for it will be the biggest thing 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.760 ever in the Challenge world watching some of the young 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.200 bucks who think they own the world having the old 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.280 you know, college kid come back and just give them 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.240 the biggest wedge year of their life and let them 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.480 know who's boss. So I can't wait for that as well. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.840 I'm pump Man, and I think you're right having a 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.960 lynchpin like t J in there. It links all the franchises, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.840 I guess together. Can I make one request going forward? 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:00.000 Course as something that annoys me when I watched the Challenge, 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:04.880 t J's chiron or like lower Third always says Handler, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.600 and if I were t J, I'd be like, motherfucker, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.400 I'm the host of the show. Like for everyone out 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.040 there that doesn't know television production, Handler is kind of 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.880 like the bits that like make sure like you get 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.000 out of your trailer and get to sit on time. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.520 I've never understood why he's the handler. Make sure the 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.720 copy is right for the cast, right. Yeah, you know what, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.080 I haven't even looked at the title of him on 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:28.840 our show. I wonder if it says handler too. I 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.000 bet you it does not. For a while. You should 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.880 just say t J labn uh BMX star. It would 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.320 just give it. It It would give him that role. So 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.000 he's now evolved a handle. I think that's a demotion. Yes, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.720 you think, uh, he should definitely be host. He should be. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.520 It should say t J Labin Face of the Challenge. Yeah, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.400 you know what I mean. He is the through constant 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.800 that everyone can expect. And I'll tell you what, when 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.280 t J shows up on on set, there's no middle ground. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.560 He's either delivering great news or terrible news, and it's 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:59.360 usually terrible news that involves us doing something ridiculously crazy. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.200 So t J has feared and loved all at the 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.240 same time. Logistically filming this thing in just a couple 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.200 of weeks, When you say that to me, that means 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.520 it was a super ambitious shoot shoot schedule with people 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.639 who are not spring chickens. Were you guys just filming 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.440 like every single day? Was there fatigue on in that respect? 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.359 After doing it looking back, is is there anything that 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.600 you would change. I think the shoot time, which was 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.080 three weeks, so when you got to set and when 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.600 you left, if you stayed the whole time was three weeks, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.640 and I think just from being there and hearing people's 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:35.400 reaction afterwards, it was the perfect amount of time because 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:39.240 it wasn't too short. But they definitely if we would 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.159 have went a lot longer, a little longer, people have 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.720 started like complaining just because they missed home because their 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.960 moms and dads. But we got to Argentina and actually 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.439 had the quarantine for seven days, so we were in 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.040 our hotel for seven days doing nothing. I didn't you know, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.120 we could see people out the window, But in terms 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:58.040 of physical communication or that conversation, I think when we 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:59.879 got there the first day, everyone we were just like 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.880 unleashed cage dogs, like we're running around the house because 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:05.720 we've been cooped up so long. So I don't think 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.600 it was definitely it wasn't. It didn't even feel like 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.360 a rush schedule. It just felt like a constant schedule, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.280 like we had no true days off. If you weren't 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:19.600 competing or eliminating someone, it was interviews. It was nineties 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.639 parties that we threw. It was pajama so like I 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.240 went there with the producer had on knowing I just 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.920 don't want to compete every day. I told everyone, bring 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.719 a nineties outfit, bring some sleep where like, let's do 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.000 some stuff, some o G stuff that the fans used 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.399 to love. And I'm glad it made the first episode 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:37.240 because it was such a the nineties party was great 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.200 and people like the music to match that was perfect. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:45.439 So it was a long shooting schedule and and and challenging, 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.200 but it wasn't impossible, and I think everyone kind of 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:50.800 after the first day just kind of sunk back into 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:52.199 their Okay, well, this is how it's going to be, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.760 and everyone was fine, listen. I think everyone's excited to 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.600 see you guys like jump from you know, steel bar 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:02.240 to steel bar on a movie, Semitruck and melt Ice 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.919 with your back and all this crazy. But at the 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.640 end of the day, I do believe that a lot 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.199 of the fans, at least ones from like my Age Demo, 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.960 are excited to see old rivalries return. Are people who 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.400 are bitter, that were bitter and like the mid nineties 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.960 still bitter today. You know what the funny thing about 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.880 that was is t J said, the very beginning, your 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.200 past will come back to haunt you in some cases. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:33.000 Episode two, Tris Shell and Katie, who were best friends forever, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.199 have the biggest fight and it was the opposite so 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.239 it wasn't even like they had beef. They went the 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.560 other way. They went from being best friends too. I'm 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.560 not sure there ain't Ben gonna be friends after this show. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.879 I mean, that's how visceral the conversations and the argument's got. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.359 But you'll move ahead a Nissa and Ruthie. You know 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:56.240 they have some problems Nia Maiah and Ruthie, Derek and 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.639 Neia Maiah. So yeah, it's fun to have at history 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.600 to kind of tap into as you know, looking at 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.040 it from a producer hat. And the great thing about 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.800 this is we can go back and show those flashbacks 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.560 of those shows in those moments, so unlike the show today, 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:12.879 if they have a you know, they have an argument, 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.760 they don't sometimes they do, but they don't. They don't 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.520 flash back fifteen years which everyone looks different. You know, 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:20.280 it's not high depth. You're like, oh wow, this is 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.119 a video videotape, but yes, you will see those rivalries 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.120 come back to haunt you. You will see some friendships mended, 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.040 but you will also see some that that is definitely 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.720 being tested that might not last after the show, which 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.119 hey it was maybe it was time and this was 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.320 the catalyst that it needed to end. So who knows? 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.760 Or it just sets you up perfectly for season two 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.800 and more dramaa. I'm no dummy, I'm no dummy. Come on, 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.400 when you've watched the challenge, there's a lot talked about 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.760