1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the 2 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Thing from iHeart Radio. 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: Still Time Studio. 4 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: This is the history making rock band Heart with Crazy 5 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: on You. Off their nineteen seventy five album Dreamboat Annie 6 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: with Anne on lead vocals and Nancy on guitar, the 7 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Wilson's created a unique mix of rock, pop, and folk 8 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: that would earn them twenty top forty singles, four Grammy nominations, 9 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: and sell thirty five million records worldwide. Along the way, 10 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: Hart went on to become one of the longest lasting 11 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: and commercially successful bands of all time. Now they are 12 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: reuniting for a world tour next week. I'll speak with 13 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Heart's lead singer Anne Wilson, but first I'll talk with 14 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: my guest today, guitarist and vocalist Nancy Wilson. In addition 15 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: to her numerous accomplishments with Heart, Nancy Wilson also formed 16 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: the band road Case Royale and as a BAFTA winning 17 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: film composer. I wanted to know when Nancy and her 18 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: sister Anne, both Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award winners, first started 19 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: writing music together. 20 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: Well, we had many bands before we had Heart. We 21 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: had little bands called the Viewpoint and Rapunzel and acoustic 22 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: all girl bands and played at schools and you know, 23 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: churches and living a lot of living rooms, and we 24 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: started trying to write as soon as we could play guitars, 25 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: which was I was about nine or ten when we 26 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: started trying to write songs. And they were bad songs, 27 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: very bad songs. And then when we actually got a 28 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: real band, somebody that had a van, you know, at 29 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: a basement and a mom that didn't care, that's when 30 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: we started to get real serious about writing better songs, 31 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: because at that point we had audiences and clubs and 32 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: you know stuff like that, real drums and microphones and 33 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: amplifiers and things. 34 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: Did someone teach you how to play the guitar? Your 35 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: self taught self taught. 36 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: I knew a little bit of piano already, musical family, 37 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: from the grandparents and aunts and uncles and cousins, so 38 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: everybody knew out of harmonize and play ukulele and some 39 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: piano over here. So we came by it, you know, honestly, 40 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: to be musicians. 41 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: When did you believe you could play the guitar? When 42 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: do you really start to say I think I got this? 43 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: I think I can really do this. How old are you. 44 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: Well, by the time I've been playing for about six months, 45 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: I knew I was. 46 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: Going to you're nine and a half. Yeah, nine and 47 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: a half. You conquered it when you're nine and a half. 48 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: Well, we saw the Beatles play the Ed Sullivan Show 49 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: on our black and white grandmother's television in La Jolla, California, 50 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: you know, like the lunar landing. It was just the 51 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: moment to be struck by that lightning, and the culture 52 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: changed it, you know, forever ever since everything the world changed. 53 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: And so I knew right then I had to have 54 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: a guitar, and I was good at it right away. 55 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Now you're a famous guitar player. When did you get 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: your hands on your first guitar that you were like, 57 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: this is more like it. 58 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: Well, it was Anne's guitar that I snuck away from 59 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: her because she had a good one that our grandma 60 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: gave her when she had mono nucleosis and she was 61 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: holed up in bed with our other sister, Lynn, and 62 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: they were trying to get well and doing hobbies like 63 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: learning how to play guitar. But that was when I 64 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: could play, So I would sneak it away and try 65 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: to learn how to use a good guitar. But I 66 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: figured she had like just a natural gift from above 67 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: with her voice, and so with me as the accompanist 68 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: and her voice, it was a natural like, hey, kids, 69 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: come on downstairs, we're having a party. Do your ethel 70 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: Merman imitation, right? So Anne would. 71 00:04:51,760 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: Go, hey, do the ethel Merman as I show. Yeah, so, 72 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: and I'd be playing it on a guitar. So we 73 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: started out. 74 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Kind of like a little comedy troupe for our friend parents' parties, 75 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: and and you know, I guess the rest is history. 76 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: But when you say comedy, you mean that you didn't 77 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: have enough songs, you'd learn, you didn't feel confident enough 78 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: making it strictly. You wanted to make people laugh and 79 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: play music correct. 80 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It had to be fun obviously when 81 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: you're young too, you know it's got to be hysterical 82 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: or it's not worthwhile. So we did comedy skits in 83 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: the in the garage and plays that we would charge 84 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: tickets for and do like dance routines to records that 85 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: we've played. We put on little productions and Anne was 86 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: always the manager, being the older you know, four years 87 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: older sister. So we ham hambones, you know, just performing 88 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: somehow or any way we could perform, we would. 89 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I bet every boy in that neighborhood was there in 90 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: your yard. They were lying outside your. 91 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Garage five cents for kool aid, you know. 92 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, popcorn kool aid. Now, when you talk about that 93 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: performance inclination, and obviously you're very young at the time, 94 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: you never had any thoughts about acting beyond you know, 95 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: over the years, how do you ever consider acting acting? 96 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: I thought maybe I should try some one time, you know, 97 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: so because being a goofball and being a handbone, you know, 98 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: you're just like, well, hey, I'm not afraid of, you know, 99 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: trying to be goofy in front of people. So at 100 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: one point when I was married to a writer director, 101 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: so I got to do a part in a movie 102 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: you was filming at the time, called say Anything Right. 103 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: And I'd already been working on music for the films 104 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: that he was doing at the time. But I thought, oh, 105 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: you know, I could try to be an actor, I guess, 106 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: And so I tried. I failed miserably. It was like 107 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: not built to be an actor? 108 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: Really? 109 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: Why? 110 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: Why? 111 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: Because I don't know how to inhabit someone else's character, 112 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: I guess, but I do end up, like I tried twice. 113 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 2: Another movie I tried to do a bigger speaking part 114 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: with called The Wildlife. I was a pregnant cops wife 115 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: that answers the dover and the the other girl was 116 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: there and I tried to, you know, be real and I've. 117 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: Got to go watch this movie The wild Life. So bad. 118 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so bad. 119 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: I love that I do too. 120 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: They're beautifully bad. 121 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 122 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: Anyway, so I failed miserably, So no acting. 123 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: You cut that short pretty early. 124 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: Well, I realized, you know, I meant to be a 125 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: musician and I'm not meant to be an actor. But 126 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: I do end up having like complete respect. And this 127 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: is something I wanted to say to you, as an 128 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: amazing actor yourself, how much I really do have, Like 129 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: it's incredulous how much work goes into that. Like there's 130 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: so much to it to be an actor, being able 131 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: to memorize lines and being able to deliver something as 132 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: kind of someone else, you know, in a part like that. 133 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: I have ultimate respect for the job you do. 134 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: Well, No, that's very kind. I mean, for me, it's 135 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: always been the motivation has always been, you know, you 136 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: just don't think too much about it. When you play 137 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: a tough role of the person's what I call the 138 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: negative value and the piece, they're very tough, you know. 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: When you play Hitler, you got to give it everything 140 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: you've got. You got to play that role and it's tough. 141 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to be that person, but 142 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: you can't go there. So you just it's like jumping 143 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: in the cold water. You just got to go. You 144 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: just got to do it not really think about it 145 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: very much. 146 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: You have to kind of not think about it. 147 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: So you wrote music with Cameron Kevin Crowe. How did 148 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: that start? How did you start? It was soundtrack or 149 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: score or both? 150 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: Well, No, we had had music, you know, love of 151 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: music as friends together forever and so it was kind 152 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: of like we got together as a couple. We were 153 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: first kind of dating and it was like, Okay, who 154 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: do you like? Who do you like? He goes, I 155 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: like the guess who? And it's like, ooh, I'm not 156 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: sure about the guests who you know, but I kind 157 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: of grew to love them kind of thanks to Cavin Crowe. 158 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: You know. 159 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: So we had like music things we would just you know, 160 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: just talk and talk and talk about music Elton John. 161 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: And you know, Tiny Dancer was a big song for us, 162 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: and like we go like, oh, like a puppet cha, 163 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: you know, like we'd have our Elton John accent singing 164 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: Elton John. 165 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: I want to make you sing a lot of songs 166 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: now that you open up this can been singing that 167 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: for us. 168 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm going to practice for a thing I'm 169 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: doing with some of Elton John's players at this benefit 170 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: for Hillside benefit, like this weekend, so I get to 171 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: play with Elton. I'm just a super fan. I'm a shameless, 172 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: giddy super fan around all those guys. 173 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Now, when did you start writing songs that? 174 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: Actually they're in his films? That begins? When well, that begins? 175 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: I started working on his first film, Say Anything, and 176 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: I worked with there was a scoring artist. I worked 177 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: with her a little bit in the recording studio to 178 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: add a guitar part to the score that they were 179 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: already doing for Say Anything. And I was like, I 180 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: don't know how to read charts. I'm freaking out because 181 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: I didn't know how to read charts. I don't read 182 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: I learned how to read music, but I never used it. 183 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: So I lost that language along the way because I 184 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: just had it all in my head on ear, you know. 185 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 2: I'd do everything by ear. So Anne kind of took 186 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: me in and somebody showed me how to read the 187 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: chart and how to go D D D, you know, 188 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: in a scene and say anything. Was like my first 189 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: foray into scoring with other musicians in a scoring studio. 190 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: And you did other films with them as well. 191 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the next one I did was Jerry Maguire 192 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: by myself. So I had a friend's studio and I 193 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 2: I went to Costco. I got a little tiny cassette 194 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: TV cassette player like VCR and that's what the dailies 195 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: were printed on at the time. He had a good 196 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: microphone and a six track reel to reel and so 197 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: no soundproofing, nothing, just somebody's house in a spare room 198 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: with you know, garbage trucks and dogs barking. 199 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: Outside, and you're on the guitar or the piano on 200 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: the guitar. 201 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: And keyboards and percussion. I did everything wow, and some 202 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: vocal stuff, but it was like it was like, oh, 203 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: gotta wait for the garbage truck, you know, to press record. 204 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: But I would like I would do the countdown on 205 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: tape to the cassette that I put on this TV 206 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: that luckily wasn't loud enough to pick up on the microphone, 207 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: but it was like so loovi. It was ridiculous. There 208 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: was no time I saw the timecode on the cassette 209 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: for the scene. I was recording onto with one really 210 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: good microphone on a really good guitar in a very 211 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: noisy room, and it all worked because the guitar was 212 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: close enough. At one point we used a few mics 213 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: and spread the guitar sound out like stereo. We filled 214 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: up the whole tape with one guitar. 215 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: And when you do this for people who don't know, 216 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: you don't wait to watch a cut and the music flows. 217 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: You're doing it. Scenes are coming, you cut scenes and 218 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: footage and you're writing stuff to that, or you wait 219 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: till you get a full cut of the film. 220 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: I wrote a lot of stuff to ongoing cuts, like 221 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: scenes that were changed later, pieces of scenes that I 222 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: would do music for which I would have to redo 223 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: later all over again when it was cut together. But 224 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: there was still a lot of learning process for me 225 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: just to try to cut to picture because normally I 226 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: just you know, play music for songwriting, and so it 227 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: was an entirely different language to learn for me, how 228 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: to stay out of the way of a scene where 229 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: there's a dialogue happening and have not to step on 230 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: the words, and how to create sort of an atmospheric 231 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 2: like some air around you know. So less is more 232 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 2: in a lot of cases, which is one of the 233 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: biggest lessons I learned about scoring music as opposed to 234 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: just writing songs for you know, hysterical screaming women kind 235 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: of songs. 236 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, could you do almost famous? Well? 237 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: I did almost famous. Yeah, I think that was the masterpiece. 238 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: Really well. 239 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: He had a great line to me when I worked 240 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: with him. We were talking about parenting. I met your 241 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: sons and we were hanging out one day, and he 242 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: said to me, something led up to one thing led 243 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: to another. He goes, well, he is, I try to 244 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: have some understanding of my kids, considering that their father 245 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: is an Academy Award winning screenwriter and their mother's in 246 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Bit of pressure, 247 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure. 248 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's there's therapy involved, you know, because 249 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: I mean, why wouldn't there be, you know, because that's 250 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: a lot pressure on little guys and there are two 251 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: twin boys that they're really good people. Thank God for that, 252 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: because we managed to do something right along the way. 253 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: But but you know, being being hard working archest type people, 254 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: creatives that it doesn't really allow for just your everyday 255 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: average I mean, and I always made a dinner table, 256 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: I always lit candles, we always had dinner together. 257 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: Hearts Nancy Wilson. If you enjoy conversations with gifted rockers, 258 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: be sure to check out my episode with musician Patti Smith. 259 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: I didn't really come into the music business. I wound 260 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: up in music by mistake. I'm not really a musician. 261 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 4: I didn't really want to be a musician or a singer. 262 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 4: I wanted to be a poet and a writer. And 263 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: it was accidental. So would it accidentally happen now? I 264 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: don't think so. I think I would have to be 265 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: more focused on what I wanted. But also because I'm 266 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 4: so untechnological, I mean, I'm just not really suited for 267 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: right now, so probably I would have to be like 268 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 4: a physicist. 269 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: Drove of the band the game. Oh you don't even drive. 270 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: No, I don't know how to drive, so I couldn't 271 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: do that. 272 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: Hear more of my conversation with Patti Smith that Here's 273 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: the Thing dot org. After the break, Nancy Wilson shares 274 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: how things have changed for women in the industry since 275 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: she started out and how it feels to be one 276 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: of the founding women of rock. I'm Alec Baldwin and 277 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: you're listening to Here's the Thing wish This is You 278 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: and Me, the title track from Nancy Wilson's twenty twenty 279 00:16:44,480 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: one debut solo album, Who Is You and Me? And 280 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Me for decades playing sold out stadiums and recording hit 281 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: records was another day on the job for the members 282 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: of Heart. I wanted to know how Nancy Wilson felt 283 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: about juggling the demands of her music career while raising 284 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: her children with then husband director Cameron Crowe. 285 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: Well, the scheduling of trying to be together yeah, really challenging. 286 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: The idea going in was, okay, if we have kids, 287 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: we'll take one project at a time and the other 288 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: person stays song. But that's not really how you try. 289 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: You try to do that doesn't work out, It doesn't 290 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 2: work as well as you want it to work. Getting 291 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: together we made a big point of always, you know, 292 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: when we were all together, we would really be together 293 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: and not just go and do stuff that was distracting. 294 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: We would hang out and almost the favorite story I 295 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 2: have even after we were not married anymore, but I 296 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: had the kids at my place. I lived in Topanga 297 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: Canyon for a while. There was a big power out, 298 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: like there always is in Topanga. The power went out, 299 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: and the boys were there and I lit the fire, 300 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: lit the candles and had the lanterns. It's like, well, 301 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: I could light the stove and I could still make dinner. 302 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: So let's tell ghost stories. So you know. So we 303 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: had the candles, we had the firelight, and we told stories, 304 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: and then we had a story contest and each person 305 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: went around and told let's pick categories. So it was 306 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 2: really a great thing when the power went out, because 307 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: it was a beautiful life lesson and a learning, you know, 308 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: an instructional moment for them as well as for me 309 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 2: as a parent, about taking all the artifice away and 310 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: just being together. 311 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: Now, questions are going to go hand in hand. One 312 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: is some of these female goddesses of music precede you 313 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: by a few years, and some of them are you know, 314 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: right around you know your time. You're talking about Stevie Nicks, 315 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: and then before you, Grace Slick and Janis Joplin, Linda 316 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: Ronstadt and so forth. For you, was it I mean, 317 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: let's face it, your sister and you both during your 318 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: heyday were these gorgeous women. And we talked to your 319 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: sister about, you know, the difficulties of that, about how 320 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: women lived in that world back then. Was it tough 321 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: where people it's the word impolite untoward, Yes. 322 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 2: I mean it was a different era. Men were way 323 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: less evolved the pre feminization of men. Yes, but I 324 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: think it was just part for the course. And we 325 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 2: didn't really care because we were military brats from the 326 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: Marine Corps, like a Marine Corps aristocracy, to be honest. 327 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: And so a grand dad was a brigadier general with 328 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: four stars, and our uncle and our granddad other granddad 329 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: and our dad was a military you know star and 330 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: also the conductor of the military band as well. So 331 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: and so we had this kind of breviera. I think 332 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: we were just burly girls, you know that just didn't 333 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: take the guff. 334 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: You're confident, Yeah, we. 335 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: Were just confident. We kind of felt like one of 336 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: the guys. We didn't have brothers, so guys in bands 337 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: were kind of became our brothers, and we were equal, 338 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: we felt equal. We wanted democracy, We wanted a democracy 339 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: of a band with men. And our influences were not 340 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: Janis Choplin. They were Jimmy Page, you know. So our 341 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 2: heroes and our muses were more the rock guys. So 342 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: we wanted to be able to kind of transform or 343 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: you know, be gender free, you know, not gender specific. 344 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like there's a reality when you're home, 345 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: you're treated a certain way with respect, and everything is 346 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: much more decent and honest at home. And then when 347 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: you go out to the filthy cesspool of rock and 348 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: roll music ticket sales, then it's a different thing with 349 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: the people are just animals. I mean, they're just they 350 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: don't get it. But then when you do that and 351 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: you're enduring all those things that they're well, that's obviously 352 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: what I've gotten. But what you see now is these 353 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: monolithic stars, female stars. The biggest names in music now 354 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: are women. It's obviously Taylor Swift and Beyonce, Miley Cyrus. 355 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: I mean, all of the biggest acts today are female acts. 356 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: Boy genus, boy genius. 357 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: You like, oh yeah, when you see them put together 358 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: these I don't want to say bubble or world, but operation. 359 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: They got an operation in which they're taken care of. 360 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the crap that women had 361 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: to put up with has been subtracted from their lives. 362 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: They've set up a system, they've set up an organization 363 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: where that doesn't even come into the picture, the way 364 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: they're treated, you know. 365 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a really good point. I mean, I 366 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: think that's really true, and I'm really happy things have changed, 367 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: really happy about that. I mean, things have evolved in 368 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: a really positive direction. 369 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: If you're making money, by the way, and they're. 370 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: Making yeah, they're changing the world economy basically too, so 371 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift, but I'm really glad for that. I'm 372 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: really kind of proud in a certain way, amazing to 373 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 2: have been a bit of a founder for some of 374 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: that stuff. 375 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: Yes, but also let me just say this, which is 376 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: you pioneer that and I don't think you would have 377 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: pioneered it as well or as effectively if you weren't 378 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: so good. I mean, Hard as a band that people love, 379 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: love and play their music and just go nuts say 380 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: this that music is really important to them. So I'm 381 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: wondering when you go out on stage for the first time, 382 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: or when you go into a studio for the first 383 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: time without your sister. Now you're on your own. When 384 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: was the time you first went on stage to perform 385 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: and it was Nancy Wilson alone? When was that and 386 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: what was that like for you? 387 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: The first real time was after the pandemic, I think. 388 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I've done sit ins with such Pearl Jam 389 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: and sat in with you know, various Seattle friends and 390 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: bands in Seattle, but to perform after the pandemic solo. 391 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: The first time I really went out there to a 392 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: big audience was in Seattle at the performance center called 393 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: ben Arroya Hall with the Seattle Symphony. So hey, no pressure, 394 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: just the Seattle Symphony. 395 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: You know. 396 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: It was like at the end of the first half 397 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: of the pandemic. I guess there was a windover of 398 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: time when it was everybody was still wearing masks, but 399 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: it was okay for a minute to go do stuff. 400 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: So I had made a solo album in my home 401 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: studio remotely with the other members of the band in 402 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: Heart that were in Heart at the time, and released 403 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: a solo album called You and Me and So I went. 404 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: I agreed to do this big sold out show at 405 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: the Benaroya Hall with a Seattle Symphony, and I walked 406 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: out there. It was like, oh, oh yeah, I've been 407 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: sucking my house for about a year. You know, Oh 408 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: I remember being on stage. Now, why are my knees shaking? 409 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: You know, like, But it took a couple songs, and 410 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: by the time I was in to the show, you know, 411 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: just got over the hello, I'm here, I'm on a stage. 412 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: How are you? It was really nerve wracky. 413 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: And how was it without her? Meaning you're used to 414 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: performing with a certain group of people, whether they're related 415 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: to you or not. What was it like to go 416 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: out and do that without your partner? 417 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: Well, it was freeing. I like to talk about songs 418 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: when I'm going to do them on stage, so I 419 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: ended up getting really talkative on stage as a solo 420 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: artist with Nancy Wilson's Heart, the various forms that I 421 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: took the last four years. I go into a song 422 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: called Mistral Wind and I tell usually I've been telling 423 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: the story of the Great Ulysses, which is kind of 424 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: what the song is about, where you know, an innocent 425 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: individual gets in a boat, goes out on life's journey, 426 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: you know, to encounter the worst storm they'll ever survive, 427 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: and the sirens will be calling from the rocks, and 428 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: the ship almost crashes on the rocks and you nearly die. 429 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: And then if you tie yourself to the mast and 430 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: resist all of the temptations of evil, then you might 431 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: finally find yourself floating into a calm lagoon where your 432 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: life has changed forever. You'll never be the same, but 433 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: you live to tell, you know, the tale of great 434 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 2: ulysses in a nutshell. Something simple, something simple like that. 435 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, musician Nancy Wilson, if you're enjoying this conversation, tell 436 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: a friend and be sure to follow Here's the Thing 437 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 438 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: When we come back, Nancy Wilson shares why the guitar 439 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: is her best friend. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening 440 00:26:48,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing, don't you suppy? That's Nancy Wilson 441 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: performing I'll Find You, from her twenty twenty one album 442 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: You and Me. It may seem that both Anne and 443 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Wilson were always destined to be Rock and Roll 444 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame inductees. As members of the band Heart, 445 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: But life almost took Nancy down another path when she 446 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: attended college in the Pacific Northwest. 447 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: Well, I was really ambitious with my studies. I really 448 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: had a wild eyed idea that I would learn Russian 449 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: as well as German, and I would be proficient at 450 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: creative writing classes. And I was taking some of the 451 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: required like chemistry stuff. So I was really overly ambitious 452 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: about all of it. 453 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: What was it about you that you were seeking something 454 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: in that way? 455 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: I was really inspired at the time by Sue Ennis, 456 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: our then collaborator. She had gone to Berkeley, and she 457 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: was in grad school at Berkeley, and she was turning 458 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: me onto all these really great books and concepts and 459 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: Carlos Costeneda and all kinds of really mind expanding, you know, 460 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: without the drugs, which we'd already tried. How to spell, 461 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: how to write a paper, how to research a paper, 462 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: and write about things that I wanted to know about, 463 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: like Romantic tradition and European history and stuff that I 464 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: figured I would bring back to my own creative song 465 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: writing skills when I joined Heart after I took some 466 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: of those classes, so I was I was playing acoustic 467 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: solo shows at a little bar called the Pepper Grinder 468 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: down the street from the university with my guitar that 469 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: you know that I was earning enough money to buy 470 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: records with and play records in my dorm room with. 471 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: So it was just, you know, I guess I was 472 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: really like romanticized college girl. Kind of a college girl. 473 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: I was just romantic with it. I would play my music, 474 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: and I would write my poetry and write my creative 475 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: writing and do my studies and you know, and it 476 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: was a girl's dorm. There was no co ed at 477 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 2: the time, so you know, I even got in trouble 478 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: with the other with the at the boys dorm one 479 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: time at a party. I mean, it was just like 480 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: all of the stuff, being a younger sister of three 481 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: sisters to get my own declaration of independence as an 482 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: individual before I joined NaN's band, because I'd been her 483 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: shadow for the most part, the youngest all my life. 484 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: So I figured I'm going to go get some skills 485 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: before I joined the rock band, and that's what I did. 486 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: Why isn't your sister Liz in the act? Would you say? 487 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: Lynn's musically inclined? She fell in love like the first 488 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 2: year she went to college. She fell in love and 489 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: got pregnant right away. So she married a guy that 490 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: helped him get out of the Vietnam War draft. So 491 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: she kind of went a different journey. 492 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: She had a boy or a girl. 493 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: She had two boys, two boys. 494 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: Now, well, the time we have left. When you write music, 495 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: when you've written music with heart before and beyond in 496 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: your life, now, what do you think is the thing 497 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: you gravitate to more naturally? Like I'm the biggest fan 498 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: and of love songs depending on who crafted them. Like 499 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: I always say to people like, you know, Stevie Wonder 500 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: wrote the most beautiful love songs. I can listen to 501 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: his music all day long and create him. 502 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 2: You know, all is fair in love. 503 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: And in the sky and songs like that. Yeah, But 504 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: for you, it's like, what music do you gravitate more 505 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: towards love songs? Heartache? What's what's the music that comes 506 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: out of you more readily? 507 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: Well, love songs are heartache. Okay, not always that's true, 508 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 2: but you know, happy little songs, there's always got to 509 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: be an element of melancholy. For me, I think I 510 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: really gravitate towards the complexity of what a love song 511 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: can be like, you know, I'm reading Bernie Taupin's book 512 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: Scatter Shop right now, and I'm getting close to the 513 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: end of it. It's so cool to see his take 514 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: on his lyric writing as a songwriter, because Tiny Dancer 515 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: is such a great love song. But I don't know. 516 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: I think be a songwriter, you're always basically writing about 517 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: love in one way or another, whether or not you're 518 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: angry with someone or you want you know, you're imploring 519 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: something out of someone for more understanding or more connection 520 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 2: somehow with the world or with their world. So I 521 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 2: don't know. I think heartbreak is the best inspiration in 522 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: many ways for writing music. And if you're a sensitive 523 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: creative type person, you know, which is a blessing and 524 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: a super curse, you're going to feel all of it 525 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: and you're going to try to write about it, which 526 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: is no easy to ask. 527 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: Now, when you were you united with your sister recently 528 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: to perform together again, How did that feel when you 529 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: stepped out there with her again and performed. 530 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: It was really cool. I kind of keep saying this 531 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: about it because we're gonna go on a big tour 532 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: sure starting in April, a world tour actually, and we 533 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: just did a few shows around. On New Year's Eve, 534 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 2: we played in Seattle. It was a hometown you know, kids, 535 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: kind of victory lap and it felt so it feels 536 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: so good to be on a stage with her because 537 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: we have a shorthand, we have each other's secret code, 538 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: secret language that we speak, and we know each other 539 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: so well. You don't even have to say anything. You 540 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: just see their face and you go, oh, okay, oh gotcha. 541 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 2: It's so natural. It's you know, everything else that swirls 542 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: around the camp of getting a heart. The big metal 543 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: machine of heart started up again, is way more complicated 544 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: than the actual nucleus, the center, the eye of the 545 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: hurricane itself, which is me and Anne. 546 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: I hope you're doing your pilates. Oh yes, I'm getting 547 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: ready to get out there. 548 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: I'm strength training and all kinds of pilates. 549 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 1: Part is not Dan Fogelberg, You know what I mean. 550 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: We need a little energy here, We need some energy. 551 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: We need we need to be bouncing around every now 552 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: and then. 553 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: You know, well, you know me, I like my rocker size. Yeah, 554 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 2: I do my rocker side. So I'm I'm I've got 555 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: a trainer. I'm actually working out with a trade. 556 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: Ready like Mick Jaggs. He's getting ready. 557 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 2: Oh man, can you imagine bounce? 558 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: He's still bouncing now. My last question for you, which 559 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: of course is from our special consultant who came on 560 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: his guy. I said, a mom with her today, said 561 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: do you have a question to ask? He said, ask her? 562 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: How is it she can play that guitar so well 563 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: and she rarely practices. 564 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: Oh that's a good question. Well, of course it's a 565 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: good question, right. What practices for me is trying to 566 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: write a new song. So when I come back to 567 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 2: the guitar, it's like, wow, it's a reunion and I'm 568 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: trying something new out and I've learned something here that 569 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: I didn't even know before because I'm not trying to 570 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 2: practice what I already know. 571 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: It's a great answer. They go hand in hand. The 572 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: relationship with the guitar is also embedded in songwriting. 573 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, it is, and it's a best friend relationship. 574 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 2: It's always a discovery of how's your day going. Well, 575 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: here's how my day's going. And I'm going to sound 576 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 2: like this today because you are talking to me about 577 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: what we're talking about together, me and the guitar. So 578 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 2: it's definitely. Yeah, it's my best friend. It says things 579 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: for me that I want to say. 580 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: Well, let me just say, man, I love you solo. 581 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I love your sister solo, but I like the two 582 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: of you together. I mean, you guys are one of 583 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: the greatest rock and roll acts of all time. And 584 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: the range, you know, just I mean, obviously there's all 585 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: these hits, and there's beautiful ballads in there as well. 586 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Dog and Butterflies, such a gorgeous song. You 587 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: guys together is something I think everybody's gonna be excited about. 588 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: Come April. You go on tour in April. 589 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: Correct, in April. On the twentieth or fort show, it 590 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 2: is true that there's a perception about heart that only 591 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: really exists when the two of us are together. That 592 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: is what heart is. 593 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Barry Gibb was on the show and we talked about 594 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: blood harmony. Yeah, and when you talk sometimes you sound 595 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: like Anne give a very similar tambur to your voices. 596 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: You know, we're getting a film together about our story, 597 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 2: which is not easy. We're trying to get a writer 598 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 2: foot to it. But people say, you know, who would 599 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 2: play you? You know, if you're doing a movie about heart, 600 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 2: and right now, I mean, I know El Fanning can sing, 601 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 2: and so I've think in El Fanning and Dakota for 602 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 2: and would be so interesting of a pair up because 603 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:04,959 Speaker 2: they're sisters too. 604 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. Blood harmony, blood harmony. Right, all my best to you, 605 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, big. 606 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 2: Love back at you, and thank you so much. 607 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: My thanks to Nancy Wilson. You can find more information 608 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: about Heart's world tour at heartdash music dot com. I'll 609 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: leave you with a little more of Crazy on You 610 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: off their nineteen seventy five album Dreamboat Annie. I'm Alec Baldwin. 611 00:37:34,400 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: Here's the thing is brought to you by iHeart Radio.