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Speaker 1: Oh hey everybody, Episode nine five, coming right at you,

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Speaker 1: Phil and I are here in Bozeman, Montana now this episode.

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Speaker 1: I guess I grew up on an older road, a

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Speaker 1: pedal to the medals. I always did what I told

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Speaker 1: until I found out that my brand new closed a

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Speaker 1: game second hand from the rich kids next door. And

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Speaker 1: I grew up Bath. I guess I grew up me.

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Speaker 1: There are a thousand things inside of my head I

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Speaker 1: wish I ain't seen, and now I just wanted through

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Speaker 1: a real bad dream of being in like I'm coming

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Speaker 1: apart of the scenes. But thank you, Jack Daniel. Welcome

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Speaker 1: everybody to the Hunting Still in Santa Hello Steven, Hello Steve.

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Speaker 1: Oh hello everybody. It's the Hunting Collective coming at you

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Speaker 1: right Phil, episode volume three. We are we're talking about

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Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? For episode one? Phil? What

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Speaker 1: are we gonna do? I have no idea. I suggested

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Speaker 1: we record your the live birth of your second child,

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Speaker 1: and then we just hear that unedited, unedited the live birth.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? It sounds like a great idea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to run a bit. Can

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Speaker 1: we do it here in the studio? Uh? I don't

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Speaker 1: know that's true. Yeah, that's true. That's gonna be that's important.

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Speaker 1: That's something you need really need to know it's sanitary enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fine. Uh, the child will be born. Uh, probably

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Speaker 1: right about now. I mean recording this prior to that happening,

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Speaker 1: but this is gonna be pretty close to the time

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Speaker 1: of the child's arrival. Actually, my wife's calling. Let me

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Speaker 1: pick that up. Make sure she's not to happen the

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Speaker 1: baby right now? Yes, honey, are you not having the baby?

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Speaker 1: Are you? Okay? I like I like that you always

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Speaker 1: think I will see you always answers though, Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: doing a podcast. I'll just call you right back. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how long do you think? Well, probably minutes. Can I

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Speaker 1: just ask you one question or I can't. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: on the podcast right now, So we asked the way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm a daddy, Hello son. Basically I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: have Christmas lights that work for the tree, So I

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Speaker 1: can go to Target now and we can have that

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Speaker 1: as an activity tonight, which means he doesn't nap or

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Speaker 1: would you rather wait till tomorrow and have him napkin

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Speaker 1: case you can come home? Really? Uh, nap nap Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: love you as a look behind the curtain field. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what it's like to live my life some real dad ship.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody Did anybody catch the email that little bit? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: this is an episode or episode volume three of the

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Speaker 1: Best of I'm really excited to bring it to you,

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Speaker 1: um here in the middle of January when I'm supposedly

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Speaker 1: right now off rearing my child. And so hopefully if

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Speaker 1: that happens, Phil will will put something in here to

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Speaker 1: announce it in this episode. It might happen next episode.

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Speaker 1: You never know. There's a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: suspense around that that occurrence. But my wife's my wife's

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Speaker 1: first appearance, and we will I always like to make

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Speaker 1: sure my kids have naps, right Phil, It's very important.

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Speaker 1: It's important to happen naps. I don't know why we

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Speaker 1: don't take more naps. I have been thinking about this

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Speaker 1: a lot recently. Hunting is a real big nap time activity,

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting especial. I'm definitely taking up hunting. Then, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we will take naps. It's just gonna be an excuse

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Speaker 1: gonna take now. Um, so this this best of it's

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Speaker 1: but if you're just gonna get better. It's all about

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Speaker 1: bear attacks, Phil, and we love bear attacks here um

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Speaker 1: at the hunting collect event also, uh, in the hunting community,

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Speaker 1: bear attacks seem to get more attention than just about anything.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to really know why. I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: when you're battling against a great beast, right, Phil, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't know, Um, what would you do if you ran

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Speaker 1: into a grizzly bear? What's this tactic you're gonna try?

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Speaker 1: Some like Star Wars type of moving? Not at all. No.

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Speaker 1: I would go for the bear spray, and if that

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Speaker 1: So you're supposed to think if they either say, make

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of ideas about, um, what you need

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Speaker 1: the bear. Brad Jamison, who had his testicles removed from

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Speaker 1: we love to learn from it. And I'll say, Phil,

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Speaker 1: And so people people have asked why we cover bear

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Speaker 1: And so that's why we put together this best of

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Speaker 1: volume three? Are these all B P or PP, Phil,

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Speaker 1: what PP and BP is before philm PPS Phil, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start it off with todd Or it again us.

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Speaker 1: Todd is probably the most famous of these three, although

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Speaker 1: Brad Jamison, our second bar attack victim, became pretty famous

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Speaker 1: but it's more interesting to me that what happened afterwards, right,

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Speaker 1: head the other other direction, and I heard something and

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00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: noise at branch or something caught my attention, and I

427
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 1: turned and looked over my left shoulder, and she had

428
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: dropped her cubs and had circled around the ridge and

429
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: came in behind me, probably down wind to get my scent.

430
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 1: And as I turned, I see her out of the

431
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: corner of my eye and she's coming over the ridge,

432
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: wide open charge, and her ears are laid back and

433
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: she's just screaming through the brush. Stuff is flying and

434
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: she's just full charge. And so I have my bear

435
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: spray hanging right on a chest holster, and I just

436
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: instinctively pulled my bear spray, pulled the safety clip out

437
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: just in case look back up, kind of expecting a

438
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: bluff charge, and look back up, and there she has

439
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: like thirty feet She covered that distance only two seconds.

440
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: And she's not slowing down, she's not bluff charging, she's

441
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: not checking me out. She has her ears laid back

442
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 1: in a full charge. And I just took a couple

443
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: of steps back and started spraying, and I just gave

444
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: a blast of bear spray right in her face, and

445
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: immediately she just came right through it. Her just her

446
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: momentum at that speed just carried her through the bear spray,

447
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: all that weight and just coming. And it just took only,

448
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of seconds, and she was right

449
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 1: there on me, and I just turned and went down

450
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: on my face with my hands behind the back of

451
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,360
Speaker 1: my neck, and she pretty much knocked me down. And

452
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: the bear spirit, you know, didn't affect her immediately, but

453
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: it took with like three or four seconds, and she

454
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: started coughing. But she was able to bite me four

455
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: or five times on my right arm and my shoulder,

456
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: and then she started making this coughing sound. It took

457
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: off just that quick. She was gone. I didn't know

458
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: where she was. I picked myself up and like, wow,

459
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: I got some puncture wounds on my arm. But do

460
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: you remember it ever slowing down at any point like

461
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: I've had. I had another guy on the podcast that

462
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 1: was attacked by Baron A. Falknick, and he talked about

463
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: a flow state, you know, being being having the ability

464
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: to move, but his mind was slowed down to the

465
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: point where he could Yeah, it's two or three seconds,

466
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: but he can remember every you know, every motion, every

467
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: little thing that happened. You get feel in the second

468
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: attack that did. But the first attack, it just happened

469
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: so quickly that it was just like boom, bite, bite, bite,

470
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: It's over. She's gone. That you didn't have time to

471
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: just know. It just happened so fast, it was just done.

472
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm just surprise, and all of a sudden it's over.

473
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: So I picked myself up and I'm like, oh wow,

474
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: that was crazy. Just got attacked by a grizzly bear

475
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: and I'm alive. That's good. Bear spray worked. Just took

476
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds, you know. And I looked down.

477
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: I got some puncture wounds and I'm bleeding. I'm like,

478
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 1: all right, nothing's broke. I'm just going to head down

479
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: to the hospital and get some stitches. You know, it's

480
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: kind of a crazy morning all of a sudden. Did

481
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: you think about what her intent was at that point,

482
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: like was she just giving you a warning shot or

483
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: she just well it just you know, most bears will,

484
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, they'll stop and check you out and see

485
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: what you are, bluff charge or stand up, snap their

486
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: jaws or something, or maybe blow by you, but they

487
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: rarely actually attack you. And so this is I thought

488
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: it was kind of rare. She was more aggressive than

489
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 1: most bears have seen most bear behavior, and apparently I

490
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: was just too close to her. I was a threat

491
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: to her cubs and class. Even though it was a

492
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards from her cubs at least, you know, still

493
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: I was still a threat. And she got my went

494
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: down wind of me, got my wind and decided that's it,

495
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm getting him. So it was It was pretty rare,

496
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: I think for a bear to come in that quick

497
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: and not even hesitate. But I just picked myself up

498
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: and said, all right, I got a head down the

499
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: trail and got down and get some stitches, and I

500
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: thought that was the end of it. Yeah, do you

501
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: remember immediate pain or did it was? It just was

502
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 1: there a pragmatic nature, because I've again talked to other

503
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: folks have been attacked by bears, and it always seems

504
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: like I got to this point, then I went to

505
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: this point, then I went to this point, a very

506
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: formulaic way to approach after the fact. Yeah, well, the

507
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: first bite. I remember that, that first bite, the excruciating pain,

508
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, right, it was right in my shoulder, I think,

509
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: the first bite. So I remember that. And then, you know,

510
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: like I said that, that first attack was so quick

511
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 1: that it was just four or five bites and just

512
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: like three seconds and then it was over. And so

513
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, wow, okay, yeah that hurts,

514
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, you you know, big inch and a half

515
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: canine buried into your arm muscle. And then I feel

516
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: definitely feel it. So but your adrenaline is going to

517
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: so you're kind of like, wow, that's crazy, and you're

518
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: not really thinking about the pain. You're just making sure

519
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: you're not going to bleed out. And then got ahead

520
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: to the hospital and get some stitches and call it

521
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 1: a day. You know, it was all over. Yeah, okay,

522
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: and then you uh, you gotta going to the truck.

523
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: And then and then so about five minutes down the trail,

524
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: and the trail kind of goes right across the crosses

525
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: the creek there, and so I'm a few hundred yards

526
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: down the trail and I can't really hear too much

527
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: because of the water in the creek there, and all

528
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden something just got my attention and a

529
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: little noise or something. I turned and here she was

530
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: right behind me, ten feet at this time, coming wide

531
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: open again, and I've got bear spray in my hand,

532
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: and there wasn't even time to do anything. It was

533
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: like I caught her out of the glimpse, out of

534
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: the glimp corner of my eye, and boom, I'm knocked

535
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: down on my face, right in the rocks by the creek,

536
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: and immediately she is on top of me, and this

537
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: time she's really mad and she's her first bite was

538
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: in my left forearm. I had my hands up behind

539
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: my head again protecting the back of my neck, and

540
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: the first bite was in my left forearm, forearm, and

541
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: it ripped two of the tendons out and broke my arm.

542
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: The all on the bone of my arm and just

543
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: crushed it right there. And I remember that the immediate

544
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: pain and just the feeling and the sound of that,

545
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: and I just kind of I went, so I kind

546
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: of went and pulled my arm away, and that motion

547
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: in that sound just triggered like a frenzy, and she

548
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: just grabbed ahold of me, picked me up and she

549
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: was shaking me. She'd slammed me down. She bit me

550
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: times in my right arm and my shoulder. At one

551
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: point she bit me in the side and it kind

552
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: of turned me. And I remember just seeing her head

553
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: like a foot from mine, looking right in her eye,

554
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: and I'm just like pull it back in, and I

555
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: just used every bit of strength that I had to

556
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: hold that face down position, protecting the sides of my

557
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: face and my eyes and my vitals, and trying not

558
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: to let her flip me over. Are there any real

559
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: visceral memories like the smell of her breath or the

560
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: feeling of her claws, or is there anything? Yeah, this

561
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: this attack, you know, I remember the pain of that

562
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: first bite, and then your adrenaline kicks in and it's

563
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: that will to survive, and I just I don't remember

564
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: any more pain after that, But it's like all the

565
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: other senses are heightened. It's like I can't remember how bad.

566
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: She stunck, just the smell of rotten death at she

567
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: whatever she had been eating or rolling in, you know.

568
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: And then just hearing. I could hear, you know, every bite,

569
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: you could hear the crunch of that big canine bearing

570
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: into your arm mustle. It's like you hear this crunching sound,

571
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: you're smeller. I can feel her like breathing on the

572
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: back of my neck, and that was probably the eerius part,

573
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: was just hearing and breathing the sound in this feeling

574
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: that breath on the back of my neck just inches

575
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: from my spine, and I'm just like, you know, one

576
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: bite in there and that's over. I could be paralyzed

577
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: or bleed out or whatever. So I just kept telling myself,

578
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: don't move, she's gonna leave, she's gonna get she's gonna

579
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: go check on her cubs. You just got to ride

580
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: this out. And that was my whole focus. I told

581
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: myself that hundred times. In my head. It was like,

582
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: don't move, she's gonna leave. Just just hold it down.

583
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: And at one point, I remember a claw caught the

584
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: side of my scalp and that's what ripped that big

585
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: five inch gash and my scalp was hanging over my

586
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: eyes filled with blood, so I can't see anything. You know,

587
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: It's just a crazy situation. Just she's picking me up,

588
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: slamming me into the dirt, you know, my face into

589
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: the dirt, just shaking me like a rag doll. I

590
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: was just helpless, and as helpless to some then, I

591
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: think that when you listen to the accounts of attacks

592
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: of this nature, there's nothing but helplessness. I mean, I

593
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: think when all of us think, oh, the bear is

594
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: gonna attack me. I've got my bear spread, I've got

595
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: my pistol, I've got my wits. But in most cases,

596
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: and in a lot of cases, especially yours, that you

597
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: are helpless and all you can do is lay there.

598
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: And what interests me the most is as you're laying there,

599
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: that the thought process that you have because you're not

600
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: at me that I'm gonna die. I'm dead. I'm dead.

601
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. You're thinking through, Okay, if this white

602
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: lands here, this this happens, what's the next move, what's

603
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: the next result. You're talking about an animal that can,

604
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, kill an elk with one bite or swatter bison,

605
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they can. They're just a killing machine,

606
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: and so I have absolutely no chance to fight back

607
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: against this thing too grizzly bear, especially a big grizzly bear.

608
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: So I knew my only only thing I could do

609
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: is to just play dead and hope she would lead.

610
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't fight back. I thought about trying to get

611
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: to my pistol, but I didn't want to get flipped

612
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: over on my back and then have her ripped my

613
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: face open or my throat or something. But I think it's,

614
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that that will to

615
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: survive and knowing that there's nothing you can do. And

616
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: so you had people ask me it's like, oh, did

617
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: you did you see your life flash before your eyes?

618
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: You know? When I first start doing interviews and everybody

619
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: asked that, I'm like, yeah, I thought I was going

620
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: to die. But then I got to thinking about it,

621
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, more recently, it's like, I don't think that

622
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: ever crossed my mind that I was going to die,

623
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: because you're in that survival mode. You're not in the

624
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: dying mode. You're like, what do I do to live?

625
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: How do I live? I gotta get through this. I

626
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: don't want to die. You don't give up. You never

627
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: seem to you know, people don't give up when it

628
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: comes to something like that. You keep fighting back somehow. Yeah,

629
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: I always think that, I think. And again it's it's

630
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: cool to hear you say that because I've heard it

631
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: from other folks similar in similar situations. You think about

632
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: your death after, like when it's calmed down and be

633
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: able to then reflect on how close you came, but

634
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: during it. I think it's important for people to know.

635
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: I think it's important to have these conversations so people

636
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: can can hear these because if it happens to you,

637
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: you have to have some perspective that it is, that

638
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: it is always a out survival and that's that's your

639
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: survival instincts are real and they do kick in, and

640
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: that fear and that angst about the death it doesn't

641
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: have time to kind of poke its way into your thoughts, right, Yeah, absolutely,

642
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: I think. And the more you think about your situation

643
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: prior to like the attack, having you know, practiced my

644
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: bear spray, having thought about, okay, what happens today if

645
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: I run into a bear? What am I going to do?

646
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: And the more you think about that and are more

647
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: aware of you know, bare behavior and bear safety, then

648
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: if that situation does happen. It's muscle memory. You just

649
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: automatically you do something. I didn't think about pulling my

650
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: bear spray. I automatically pulled my bear spray because I

651
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: practiced it five times. You know, I didn't think about, Okay,

652
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 1: go down and protect the back of your neck. I

653
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: just did it. All of a sudden, I'm in curled

654
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: up in a ball, face down, playing dead, and it's

655
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: like I didn't They didn't have to go through my head.

656
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: It just happened because you've been I've thought about it before,

657
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: I'd practiced that. I knew what I needed to do

658
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: to survive the situation. And so I think that's important

659
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: to tell people, is like, you know, you can't just

660
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: go buy bear spray off the shelf and then go

661
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: out there and start hiking and I'll send a bar

662
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: charges you and expect to do everything right. You're probably

663
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna panic, scream and run as your fall down on

664
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: or throw the bear something you know not or forgets

665
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: you have it on you. You know, it's like you

666
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: have to practice those things so it becomes a muscle

667
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: memory and becomes instinctive and you do it, and that's

668
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: how you're going to survive. Yeah, I feel strongly. I

669
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: mean it's a very practical thought process and survival. Survival

670
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: nowadays if you read the books and watch the TV shows,

671
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: become about survival skills like being able to start a

672
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: fire with a bow and a stick. To me, it's

673
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: less that's like, how do you think about where you

674
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: are and what you're doing, and how your thought processes

675
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: lead to preparate, you know, to being prepared with something

676
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 1: like this does happen. So it sounds to me like

677
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: you you had done that work. I think spending my

678
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: life in the outdoors, you know, ever since a kid

679
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: in Montana and bear country, and I had seen bears

680
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: as a kid and talking about it with my my

681
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: dad and my parents out camping and knowing what to

682
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: do and want not to do. And then thirty almost

683
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: thirty years with the four Service, and I've taken bear

684
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: awareness and bear safety classes and very identification classes. I've

685
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: carried the bear spray. I've known what to do, and

686
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: I think that's that makes a difference for sure. And

687
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: you can't just plan to go out there without any

688
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: knowledge or any practice and then you know, succeed at

689
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: something in that situation. All right, Well, let's let's get

690
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: back to you know, the bear is mauling you. Okay,

691
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: Like there's a quote to go back to that. Yeah, okay, Yeah,

692
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: we'll come back to that. Then that's great. Ya, there's

693
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: a quote that I read that you said the weirdest

694
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: moment the whole thing was feeling her claws on my

695
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: lower back, all her weight on me. She was panting

696
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: and sniffing the back of my neck. Um, So what

697
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: happened after that? Yeah, so she's got me pinned to

698
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: the ground. I got I got little scars right below

699
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: my belt line where she had me, just all her

700
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: weight on top of me. And I can barely breathe,

701
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: but I'm trying not to make any noise. I'm trying

702
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: to breathe quietly. And and then this crazy situation, so

703
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't keep chewing on me, and she'd sniffed the

704
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: back of my neck and then she'd like bite my shoulder,

705
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: and then she'd stop and she'd sniff again, and then

706
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: she'd bite. And it was more of like this last

707
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: few seconds as her like nipping on me. It was

708
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: more like testing to see if I was incapacitated, if

709
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: the threat was over if I was dead. So instead

710
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: of like just trash me around, it's just checking me.

711
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: And it's like I had all these like bruises that

712
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: were in like marks that were like dog bites or

713
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: something that didn't just put the pressure, yeah, just pressure

714
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: and just testing me, testing me. And she did that

715
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: a dozen times probably, and then she just stopped and

716
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: she was just standing there and it was like dead quiet.

717
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: I'll remember that. It was like so quiet nothing. I'm

718
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: like I could feel her weight, but she's not even breathing,

719
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: you know nothing. I'm just like trying not to breathe myself.

720
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: And I think she was probably just looking around to

721
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: see if there was any other threat or where her

722
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: cubs might be, and checking the situation out. And then

723
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she just stepped off me, and

724
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I remember just that I can take a deep breath again,

725
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: and she stepped off and disappeared, and so I just

726
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: held that position for like thirty seconds and like not moving. Okay,

727
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: is she ten feet away? Is she gonna bite me again?

728
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for that attack again or that bite,

729
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: and no thing, no sound, and I'm like, okay, maybe

730
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: she's gone. But if I you know make a movement

731
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: or something like that, and she's right there watching me.

732
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get attacked again. So I just held the position,

733
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: and I got to thinking, if she goes back and

734
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: checks on her cubs and they're still up a tree

735
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: or wherever she put him, and then she's like, Okay,

736
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: let's come back and see if the threat still here.

737
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: And I'm still there, She's gonna attack me again because

738
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm still a threat to her. So I decided I

739
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: gotta protect myself. I gotta get out of here. I

740
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: gotta do something. So I really slowly pulled my my

741
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: arm down from I had my arms behind my head still,

742
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: pulled one arm down and reached under from my pistol

743
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: that I had a shoulder holster, and I remember reaching

744
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: in there and it was like, where is it. It's gone.

745
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: I can't find it. So I'm like, okay, relaxed, Todd.

746
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: Just reach for your pistol that's right there under your

747
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: your armpit, you know. And so I reached again and

748
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: realized that it had been ripped off during the attack.

749
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: And so I don't know where the pistol is. My

750
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: bear spray is gone. I can't see anything. I'm completely helpless.

751
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: So I really slowly reached up and kind of wiped

752
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: some blood from my eyes and looked each direction, kind

753
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: of under my arm, and I didn't see her anywhere,

754
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: but my pistol was laying over there, about ten or

755
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 1: fifteen feet away, and I just gove for the pistol

756
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: and pulled it out of the holster, hammer back, like okay,

757
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm ready now, and she was gone. She wasn't there anywhere.

758
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I gotta get out of here.

759
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: I need to put distance between her and I and

760
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: my left arm broken arm with tendons sticking out, my

761
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: wrist is all curled under and it's just useless. So

762
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: I tucked the pistol under my arm pit right here

763
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: where I could grab it easily, picked up the bear

764
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: spray in this hand, and just kind of with this

765
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: arm against my side, and just took off down the

766
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: trail and just said, okay, I gotta get distance down there,

767
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: and so I went fard have to get to the safety.

768
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: It was about three and a half miles, like an

769
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: hour hike out there, and it's a rough trail down

770
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: the canyon across the creek. A couple of times and

771
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: it's bear country, so you know, it's like you could

772
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: run into another barrit eight o'clock in the morning on

773
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: the way out, and I was thinking about that, going,

774
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: oh jeez, this is the third time. So after like

775
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of hiking, I'm down the trail like a

776
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: mile or something, and then I you know, I'm starting

777
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: to calm down, going, okay, she's gonna attack me again.

778
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, she's way back up there with her cubs.

779
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: I got nothing to worry about. So I stopped and

780
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: just checked my wounds and you know, to see if

781
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: I need some you know, bandaging or turniquet or something.

782
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: How bad am I bleeding. I didn't want to you know,

783
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: bleed out on the way to the truck kind of thing.

784
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: And so I got to thinking about that now that

785
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm calmed down a little bit and everything. You know,

786
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: I still had blood dripping off my elbows and soaking

787
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: through my shirt into my pants, but I could tell

788
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: there was no severed arteries. I'm not going to bleed

789
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: to death. And I'm like, okay, just keep going, get

790
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: to the truck and then you can do some first age.

791
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: So you were trying of traveling and assessing at the

792
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: same time, I was, yeah, I would like be hiking,

793
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: and I kind of stopped, kind of looked down at

794
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: my elbows, my arms, and just make sure there was nothing,

795
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: no no guts hanging out, you know, anything like that.

796
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: So I'm okay. And I stopped I think twice on

797
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: the way down, and took me about an hour to

798
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: hike out of there, and I finally got to the

799
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: truck at the end there and right to the trailhead,

800
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: and it was just like a relief, like, Okay, I've

801
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: made it to the truck. I'm not in shock, I'm

802
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: not bleeding out, I didn't get attacked again. There's bears,

803
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: your mountain lions waiting for me down here, and I'm

804
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: good to go. I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna survived

805
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: at this How much of that hour do you remember,

806
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: like what was going through your head during that time?

807
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: Was it still was it still very pragmatic or had

808
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: it kind of scattered a bit at your thoughts? I

809
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: think it was still, I mean, trying to think back

810
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: at it, I remember that constantly thinking about what was

811
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: going on around me. I mean, I like watching behind me,

812
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: watching up on the hill, just to make sure I

813
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't run in. You know, like I said, there could

814
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: have been another bear, and it's like, if there is

815
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: another bear, I gotta make sure I avoid it because

816
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: there's no way I can fight back at this point

817
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: or protect myself. I can't hardly hold a pistol or anything,

818
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: and this arm is useless. So I remember watching that

819
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: constantly around me as I'm hiking out, and then at

820
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: the same time kind of assessing the wounds as I'm going.

821
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: And beyond that, it was more of just like over

822
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: and over in my head, like you're almost there, here,

823
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: almost there, You're almost to the truck. It's everything is

824
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: good to go. You're gonna make it, You're gonna survive this.

825
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: And I wasn't really thinking about what I was gonna

826
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: do when I got there. I just knew I had

827
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: to get to the truck and get to the hospital. Yeah. Well, yeah,

828
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: if there's any time in your life you know what

829
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: you have to do, it would be that I gotta

830
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: get in my truck and go. I wasn't looking for

831
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: Elk or anything at that point. I wasn't scouting out

832
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: any ELK or any of it. If you saw like

833
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: a big bull get a photo of him, but I

834
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: can't hold the camera, so I'll skip that today. So

835
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: that would have been a view. Said, well, I stopped

836
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: to glass first, I saw a bull. I stopped about now,

837
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: didn't go that farm there. When you get back to

838
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: the truck and you know you're in safety. Um, other

839
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: attack survivors, I've talked to you, they talk about you

840
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: know either I've heard it a couple of different ways.

841
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: I've heard like the shakiness of the adrenaline and kind

842
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: of the feeling of the jitteriness. And then I've heard

843
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: like the the the intense calm, and like the stiffening

844
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: of posture, and like the forcible. I will live through this,

845
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: This is not it for me, Like or you where

846
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: were you in that well? It had been it's been

847
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: like an hour since the attack, and I've had all

848
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: this time to think about it and what just happened,

849
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: and you know, running it through my head and then

850
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: just the relief of getting to the truck and getting

851
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: to the trail out of the canyon, you know, to safety.

852
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: And I felt, I think you know that a lot

853
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: of the adrenaline and war off by then, and I

854
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: was feeling a lot of pain. My left arm was

855
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: just excruciating pain, like it was in advice from the

856
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: tendons sticking out and the broken you know, all the

857
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: nerve damage, a lot of nerve damage, and so the

858
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I felt pretty calm. I didn't feel like I was

859
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: in shock or had that adrenaline rush anymore. It was

860
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I survived this. You know that, you

861
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: know plan B here, next step is to get to

862
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: the hospital. And really hadn't you know, I wasn't nervous anymore.

863
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't I don't know, I've I've probably could have

864
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: joked about it at that point. If there was someone

865
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: else there, I could have been like, how do I look?

866
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a bad hair day. But because

867
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, because I felt so relieved that I was,

868
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: I was okay, I survived this. I'm out of you know,

869
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's it's not over. I've got

870
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: a lot of rehab to do, but the death, the

871
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: life threatening situation is over. And that was just a

872
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: complete relief during the whole you know, from the time

873
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: of the attack, you get back to your truck, were

874
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: there any you know, people that kept popping into your head,

875
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: voices or experiences. Were there anything that you called back to,

876
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, during I guess what I would imaged would

877
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: be a lot of terror and just a lot of

878
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, craziness. Were there things that you called back

879
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: to in your life or people that you thought about? Uh?

880
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't really think there was much at that point.

881
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: It was more of, you know, everything. My whole focus

882
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: that entire time was on that survival mode. And I

883
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, you know, people had asked me.

884
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: It's like that, you know, your life flash before your

885
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: eyes and you remember these people and you know that

886
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: in your life and wish you had said something or

887
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: all that, But that, like the I told you that

888
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: never happened because you're in survival mode. You're not thinking

889
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: you're dead at this point. You're like you're still going

890
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: to make it somehow. So it was all about just

891
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: getting back, getting to safety, and then like, Okay, I

892
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: gotta get to the hospital. You know. I knew I

893
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: had to call my girlfriend and let her know what

894
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: was going on. That was going to be something, and

895
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: let my parents know. My parents were on vacation, you know,

896
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: so I'm like, well, I'm not going to bother them

897
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: until after the whole day of surgery and getting such

898
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: step and then I'll give him a call. But I

899
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: did I might drive out. I did uh call my

900
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: girlfriend and just say it was like eight thirty in

901
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: the morning now, And so she answers the phone. It's

902
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of funny. She answers the phone like oh hi,

903
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, how you doing. She's like, oh,

904
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: I just getting ready to go have coffee with her

905
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: girlfriend and and I'm like okay, and and she's like, well,

906
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: why are you calling me, aren't you I thought you

907
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: were gonna be up on top of the mountain all day.

908
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I had a little situation. And

909
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: so then I told her I got attacked by a

910
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: bear and she was in nursing school, so I knew

911
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: she was going to have a lot of questions. And

912
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: so I'm like, I've got a broken arm, I've got

913
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: tendency or something sticking out of my arm, I've got

914
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: a big cut on my head, but I'm not bleeding

915
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: to death, and I'm driving myself to the hospital. And

916
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: and so she had a couple more questions, and then

917
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: I said, all right, if you can meet me at

918
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: the hospital with some some clean clothes and uh, we'll

919
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: see you in an hour or so. And other than that,

920
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: I just was like heading to the hospital. That was

921
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: my focus. And then when you get to the hospital

922
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: and you said you kind of list out all your injuries. Um,

923
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I read that the doctor spent eight hour stitching up

924
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: you know, twenty six inches of different parts of your body. Yeah,

925
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: well I was. I was driving to the hospital, and

926
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: I well, on the way down to the hospital, I

927
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: ran into a rancher that was getting into his mailbox

928
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: that morning, and and uh, I kind of flagged him

929
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: over and he saw the bloodle over me. I told

930
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: him I was attacked by a bear. And I said, hey,

931
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: can you call the hospital and just give them heads

932
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: up that I'm coming in so I don't walk in

933
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: looking like this and surprise everybody. And he had asked

934
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: if I needed a ride, and I said, no, I've

935
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: now already got a mess in my bloody mess in

936
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: my own truck. I don't want to make a mess

937
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: eagers too, And so I went ahead and drove myself

938
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: in And when I got to the hospital about thirty

939
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: minutes later, I pulled into the emergency entrance there, and

940
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: there was a sheriff and a doctor and a nurse

941
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: all standing out there waiting for me. They'd got the word,

942
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: and so I pulled up there and tried to put

943
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: my truck into park. But at this time, it's almost

944
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: two hours or an hour and a half since my attack,

945
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: and I can't hardly lift my arms. All these wounds

946
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: are really starting to cramp up, and I'm just kind

947
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: of immobile. And I did have enough strength in my

948
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: arm because of a big tear on my right shoulder.

949
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even lift the truck or the put the

950
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: truck into park. So I kind of motioned at the

951
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: sheriff and he came over and got the truck in

952
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: park for me, and then I couldn't get the seat

953
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: belt off, so he had to help me get the

954
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: seat belt off, and I remember he was like, I'm

955
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: surprised you took time to to buckle up, and I

956
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: was like, first yeah, I was like, well, I just

957
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: survived two fair attacks. I didn't want to die in

958
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: a car wreck on the way to the hospital after

959
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: all of that. So the lecture for caution there. But anyway,

960
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: so they got me. I walked into the hospital and

961
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: I remember everybody that was in the hospital I heard

962
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: about it now, so all the nurses and even I

963
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: think some of the patients were all kind of lined

964
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: up along the main hallway on each side. So I

965
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: kind of had like this parade first, see what this

966
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: looks like, you know, so we'll go in there. And

967
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: then they did X rays everywhere I'd been bit. They

968
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: took X rays to see what are the broken bones.

969
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: I had just had the one in my my on

970
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: the bone my arm, and then about seven or eight

971
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: hours with a doctor on each side just putting stitches in,

972
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: and all the puncture wounds were really deep, so they

973
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: put a stitch down like halfway into make sure it

974
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: was closed, and then a stitch at the top, and

975
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: then took quite a bit of time on my head

976
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: to make sure they stitched that really well. I don't

977
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: remember how many stitches, but I think it was like

978
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: twenty six centimeters of stitching they put in total on

979
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: my my arm, in my head, and then the my

980
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: left arm where I had the tendons sticking out. Remember

981
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: the doctor he was like, well, I think those are

982
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: tendons or something. He's gonna You're gonna see an orthopedic surgeon. Sir,

983
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: I would wish you to be more specific. I think

984
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: those are tendons or something. He's like, I think you're

985
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to see an orthopedic surgeon. I'm like, all right,

986
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: but he's like, I'll just push kind of get that

987
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: stitch back over and closed up for now, you know,

988
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: to stop the bleeding. So I remember remember him trying

989
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: to push the tendons back in my arm, and they're

990
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of rigid, so they're sticking out,

991
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: and he pushed men and try to stitch it and

992
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: they'd pop back out, and he has was having a

993
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: heck of a time, but finally got me all closed

994
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: up and sent me home that night. And it was

995
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: the next day then I had to go into the

996
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: orthopedic surgeon and they spent about I think like four

997
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: hours doing a bunch of kind of exploratory surgery. They

998
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: had to reopen all the wounds that the dock the

999
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: day before it stitched up and clean everything out and

1000
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: look to see what kind of nerve damage or tending damage,

1001
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: and and uh, I remember sitting in there and I

1002
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: got I wanted to watch it all. He's like, well,

1003
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: if we can, you know, give you some drugs or whatever.

1004
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, just do the local. In my arm, I

1005
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: had the big, big screen TV right there above my head,

1006
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: and I'm watching the whole thing, and he's like, okay,

1007
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: this is your all on the bone. He'd tap on

1008
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: it and I could feel like the vibration of my

1009
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: shoulder and he's like, okay, this is the tendons that

1010
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: are ripped out. And then I'd be like, I can't

1011
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: quite see it, and he lift up the curtain a

1012
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: little bit so I look right down at my arm,

1013
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: look right into my arm. They're like, oh, that's pretty cool.

1014
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, they he'd had to figure out how to

1015
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: attach the the two tendons again, because one was from

1016
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: my wrist to one from these two fingers, and so

1017
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: he would sit there and find something to get my

1018
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: fingers to move and then finally stitch that in there

1019
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: and just give everything back to where it would work

1020
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: for me. And took a four or five hours and

1021
00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: put to put me out. Okay, I don't want to know.

1022
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I didn't want any kind of medication at all. I

1023
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: wanted to be totally so I could watch the whole

1024
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: thing and well, well, and so you know, at this

1025
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: point in the story, everything's okay, like like as okay

1026
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: as it can be. In this situation. You feel like

1027
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: you're you're going to mend. The doctors are saying you're

1028
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: going to recover. No real long lasting effects other than

1029
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: the memories of the tendons were kind of questionable. That

1030
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: there was the muscle in my farm was ripped in

1031
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: like three different pieces, and so he kind of stitched

1032
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: all the muscle back together and reattached the tendons, but

1033
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: it was like hamburger in there, and it just ripped

1034
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: up so bad. He was having a hard time getting

1035
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: a good solid point of attachment. So they gave me

1036
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: a brace to put on my my arm that would

1037
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: keep my wrist turned back up and my fingers up

1038
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: just so I wouldn't put any pressure and tear that

1039
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: out until it healed well. So I had to wear

1040
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: that brace seven for six weeks and just until we

1041
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: had a good you know, sure that everything was good

1042
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: and solid in there. And then a lot of rehab.

1043
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: I had like three or four months of three or

1044
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: four days a week a rehab, just every day going

1045
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: and they're trying to get motion back in my hand

1046
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: and my wrists and fingers to work and be able

1047
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: to to move them and all different in separately, independently

1048
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: moving my fingers and grabbing things and picking things up.

1049
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: And it was a slow process to get all that

1050
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: to come back, just the amount of nerve damage. And

1051
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: I still don't have any feeling in my forearm here

1052
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: is all numb. And then right up here where my

1053
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: arm was broke, when I when I touch right there,

1054
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: I can feel it down in my fingership. So it's

1055
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 1: really weird just from the nerve damage. Still, but everything's

1056
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: working pretty good. I mean it's it's a little slower.

1057
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: I can't quite open my hand all the way. I

1058
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: don't have all the strength there. I've got a pretty

1059
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: good hole in my arm or the muscle was just

1060
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: shredded that just never healed up. Well, just no muscle

1061
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: there anymore. And so it's it's not but I'm doing

1062
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: most everything I need to do and I don't even

1063
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: think about it anymore. What about the Grizzly like what well,

1064
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: what happened to the fish wildife and parks, fish and

1065
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: game and the grizz the inter agency, you know, Steady

1066
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Grisly Bear, steady team went back in, I believe, the

1067
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: next day on horses, and as far as I know,

1068
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: they did not see her at all, And so she's

1069
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: probably still out there. And I think about that every

1070
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: time I go back in the woods in that country.

1071
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: It's like, is she gonna You know, bears have the

1072
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 1: best sense of smell of any of the animals out there,

1073
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: So if she's a couple of miles on the other

1074
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: side of the canyon or up the canyon and the

1075
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: winds carrying up there and she smells me, she's going

1076
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: to recognize that, just as if I was there, because

1077
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: her sense of smell is so good. So I was wondering,

1078
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: it's like that means she's gonna come back. She like,

1079
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to have anything to do with him.

1080
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: He didn't taste good, and she's gonna go the other way.

1081
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: But I always think about that, So as far as

1082
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: I know, she's probably still out there. Yea. And did

1083
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: they ever did you ever think about her age or

1084
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: or her weight or her size? How much do you know?

1085
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: It's hard to say when that's such a quick situation,

1086
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: but she was definitely a full size bear, you know,

1087
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: and you know, female grizzly might way up to four

1088
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, you know, three or four hundred pounds if

1089
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: for a big bear. So she was definitely big. And

1090
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: I remember she was just crushing me when she was

1091
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: on top of me that weight and just you know,

1092
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: I was a rag doll picking me up and would

1093
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: literally just shake me back and forth and then like

1094
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: let go, and I would like roll like ten feet

1095
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: and then I just roll back face down again protecting myself.

1096
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: And so I was at just a rag doll head.

1097
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: I was helpless, unbelievable, and and I think I know

1098
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: the answer to this because it almost always is the same.

1099
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: You have no resentment towards the animal or or you know,

1100
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: she was protecting her cubs, and you know, in that situation,

1101
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I think she was a little over protective because they

1102
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: were a hundred yards away and she actually left them

1103
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: and circled around to get my wind and then came in.

1104
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: But you know, every every bear is different. Some bear

1105
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: could tolerate you at fifty feet. Some are won't tolerate

1106
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: you at a hundred yards. I guess. So she was

1107
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: more aggressive than any other, you know, bears I've been around.

1108
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: I probably see a dozen bears every year, a couple

1109
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: of grizzly and a lot of black bear, and usually

1110
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: they're going in the other direction and they might run

1111
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: away or they walk away like whatever. It's just another person.

1112
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know, she was definitely more aggressive

1113
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: and a little bit different. I don't I don't blame

1114
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: her for what she did. I don't want to go

1115
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: out and get revenge on her or something. And you

1116
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: know I do. I do believe there should be some

1117
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, grizzly bear management. There's being a lot more

1118
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot more grizzlies out there than there used

1119
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: to be, and a lot more people in the woods,

1120
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: and I think we need to manage that population. Um,

1121
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: if they do get to go through with that and

1122
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: put out you know, licenses, I have no desire to

1123
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: go shoot one. I you know, I can't afford it.

1124
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Plus I don't really care. It's not a big deal.

1125
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: I don't need revenge and I don't need a grizzly bear.

1126
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: I guess I grew up, all right. So that was

1127
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: Todd or Thanks to Todd for coming and sharing a

1128
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: story that was one of the more popular episodes from

1129
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: the new format at the HC Way back in the

1130
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: April of nine, back in the annals of time, way

1131
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: back what would now be about eight months ago. So

1132
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: I believe in the dark ages. Yeah, it's unbelievably lasted

1133
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: that long. Back then, it was just me and a mike.

1134
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: There was no studio. In fact, we did that one

1135
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: in just the conference stream across the hall here. Um.

1136
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: It was definitely before phil when large perfect for podcast.

1137
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: I was just running like a little zoom recorder. Uh.

1138
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: I think the coffee might have been too hot and

1139
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: burned Mr Or's lip. It was a It was a

1140
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: disaster back then. But now we've got a nice fresh

1141
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: studio and we got Philly Engineer doing just fine, just fine.

1142
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to the next And now I

1143
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: will tell you this next podcast is the most listen to,

1144
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: most downloaded podcasts in the history of the Hunting Collective.

1145
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Really yeah, And we recorded you had a year ago,

1146
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: and I went down to San Diego, Mm the Whales Vagina.

1147
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, yes, I believe roughly San Diego.

1148
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I believe it's just sant Diego. Um, So we went

1149
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,760
Speaker 1: down there. I met up with a guy named Brad Jameson.

1150
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: Now Brad is a resident of Kodiak Island, Alaska. I

1151
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: would say that we, uh, here's the hunting Collective broke

1152
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: the story, and it was a pretty haring one. This

1153
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: is one where this this guy is definitely dead if

1154
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: his friends aren't there to save him, um, in a

1155
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: pretty dramatic fashion. And I think what came out of

1156
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: it was, of course that some of his injuries were

1157
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: particularly notable. We've talked about that a little bit already

1158
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: at the container. The container, some the the the bits

1159
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: came out of the container, but they were put back

1160
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: in eventually, so that I think that's that's certainly it's

1161
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: a compelling story. It had me cringing and had me

1162
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: making noises, have me roll around the ground. But you'll

1163
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: hear again, just like Todd, you'll hear that Brad approaches

1164
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: the story fairly, reasonably and pragmatically. He doesn't over sensationalize anything.

1165
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: He's not trying to spin a yard. He's just telling

1166
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: you the blow by blow and what happened, why it happened,

1167
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: how it happened, and how it got out alive. Um.

1168
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: And and you definitely hear it in his voice, and

1169
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: that's what I enjoyed about hanging out with Brad is

1170
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: that he you know, we had had lunch after the podcast,

1171
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: talked more about the attack. He just it was just

1172
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: something that happened to him in his life. He didn't

1173
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: want to be famous from, and he didn't want anything

1174
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: from and he just wanted to get back up to

1175
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: Koda and go hunting again. And so you know, as

1176
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: you'll hear even if you listen to the Meat Eater podcast,

1177
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: the Meat Tree, the bear attack from a fog neck,

1178
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: the same the same place where Brad was attacked. You know,

1179
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: those guys talked about how it changed their life and

1180
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: how they view their children, and and Brad didn't think

1181
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: about it that way, at least at least to my mind.

1182
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: He's just he looked at it has something that happened,

1183
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: something he needed to get over and move forward from,

1184
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: which I definitely appreciate because his his attack was traumatic

1185
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: is traumatic can be. So I've talked to Brad recently.

1186
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: He's he's all healed up. He's back hunting, uh and

1187
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: doing quite well. So enjoy Brad Jamison. The bear attack

1188
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: on a funk that guy. I guess I grew up

1189
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: on the road the boys and I so I go

1190
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: for an elk hunt, and uh we took a boat

1191
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: over actually um and got to our kind of hunting

1192
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: spot where we do how uh let's say like an

1193
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: hour and a half. So that's not long. No, it's not.

1194
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: It's not bad at all. Um, not from the main

1195
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: like dog Harbor area and Kodiak anywhere he launched from.

1196
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: But that's probably where most people launched from, anybody's dog harbor.

1197
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: And it just kind of depends on, of course, the

1198
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: ce state and the tides because there's some passes that

1199
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: you can take to get there. Um, they can get through,

1200
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: otherwise you gonna go all the way around. They'll take

1201
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: a lot longer. But I think about an hour and

1202
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: a half that is what it was. And as a resident,

1203
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: is it pretty easy to grab a tag to go

1204
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: over there? Yeah? No, Um, the registration hunt opens um

1205
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: all on the kind of for lack of a better term,

1206
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: I guess quota on on how the draw hunts go.

1207
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: So the elk has really really highly regulated, and it

1208
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: was let's see two seasons prior to this one where

1209
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: none of us actually got to go. We were trying

1210
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: to make it work and get everybody organized, and they

1211
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: shut it down. So the way it works is the

1212
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: draw hunts all happen and then uh, I guess some

1213
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: years they might not even open it, but they'll open

1214
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: it on the same date. Uh remember what was this year.

1215
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: I think it's November or something like that. That sounds

1216
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: about it right, maybe, Oh, no, October would be October. Yeah,

1217
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: it had to be so October I think is when

1218
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: it opens for the public and you just go pick

1219
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: up your tag. It's free and every day you get

1220
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: a call in find out if it's still open, and

1221
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: then as soon as you do get one, you're required

1222
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: to call it in I think within forty eight hours.

1223
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: Really the same day is oftenly what you want to do, um,

1224
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: just to let them know what the population is and

1225
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: then whether whatever quota they set fishing game does then

1226
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: it's like closed down and unlike all you know, most

1227
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: other you have like five days, it's like, okay, five

1228
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: days calling but it's like the Elk is very very

1229
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: strict and um because it's all it's all herds there

1230
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: and UM, I don't know where that's going on with that,

1231
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, October and we kind of switched out with

1232
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: some other guys on this hunt and sent some other

1233
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: guys over there first and then we swapped out with

1234
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: them and they didn't have any any luck whatsoever. And

1235
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: as you well know, and I know she has gets

1236
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: some good experience over there. I've seen some of the

1237
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: shows and podcasts as well. But the weather is just

1238
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: also just as crazy over there, even probably more so,

1239
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: I think, um, because there is no roads, no really

1240
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: well taken pass or trails, Like if you're gonna find something,

1241
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: your goal is to kind of get up the ridgeline

1242
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: and and then hopefully you can see. But if the

1243
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: cloud cover is low enough, you're not gonna able to

1244
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: see anything, Like you just can't get anywhere. And um,

1245
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: obviously come to find out, it's like the bare population

1246
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: there is is well aware of Elk and and the

1247
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: people there, and they're not city bears, you know, they're

1248
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: very h well versed in in being the primal creature

1249
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: over there. Did you like when going into this this

1250
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: particular hunt and hunted up before obviously and um, going

1251
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: into this hunt, what's your you know, what's your mindset?

1252
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, this would be a lot of questions in

1253
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: one but had you had any bear experiences on a

1254
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: fog neck prior and going into this hunt, What was

1255
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: your preparation as far as communication with the mainland, UM

1256
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: and medical supplies and protection from bears. I mean, I know,

1257
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: like that's informed by just your general knowledge of wilderness

1258
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: or just medicine and and what you've done in the past,

1259
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: but that's also informed by you know, what you've seen

1260
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: over there. And UM. So yeah, me and the boys,

1261
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: h it's always standard for us every time we're going

1262
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: out bringing a SAT phone. UM, we always have a

1263
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: SAT phone with us. At least one guy's have that.

1264
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: We actually had multiple dorm in reaches with USTA. Yeah,

1265
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: and well it's funny enough. I've got to get a

1266
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: story on that when we when we get to it.

1267
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: UM in comparison, I guess. But uh, And then guys

1268
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: have gps is and cell phones as well that we

1269
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: use for gps is. All of us pretty much use

1270
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: the guy app on our cell phones. It's it's it's great,

1271
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: but no, those are kind of our our primary like

1272
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: electronic devices that well use UM. And then we always

1273
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: have a first aid kit that everybody has pretty much

1274
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: standard with them as well as turning kits. And then

1275
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: every guy's got one of those. UM. And then everybody's

1276
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: carry with them. Some guys will have like a little

1277
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: bit more or less depending but you know, everybody, everybody's

1278
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: got one of those. The dorm injury is I think

1279
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: we had at least two, and then at least like

1280
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: a plethora of rifles, you know, and and pistols combos thereof.

1281
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: So I think we pretty much covered our bases. And

1282
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: to be honest, like when this all went down, I

1283
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: still think it went down textbook like, couldn't win anybody

1284
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: better under the circumstances. And uh, never had any bear

1285
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: experiences over there before, and honestly before that had never

1286
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: even seen. Yeah, it was kind of kind of surprised

1287
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: even us. So the year prior to when we did

1288
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: the elk hunt, Um, we kind of came up with

1289
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: this system. We did it all in one go and

1290
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: got the elk scun them, brought all the meat away

1291
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: from the carcasses, and then built kind of a new

1292
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: site with a fire at it, and our theories just

1293
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, having the fire hopefully keep the air away

1294
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: or at least kind of determined for a little while,

1295
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: and then we just kind of did this uh shuffling

1296
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: uh short movements. Um, we just go a few hundred yards,

1297
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: make another fire, bring the meat over there, and then

1298
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: just cart back and forth and then just basically go

1299
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: fire to fire to fire to fire. Um until we

1300
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: got back to the boats on the beach and system

1301
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: really really worked good. Never saw any bear. Uh, the

1302
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: only thing we saw at that point was foxes. The

1303
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: foxes obviously, he's like, who meat, you know, like on

1304
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: the on these islands. Oh, for sure, we've done a

1305
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: buffalo hunt. Um. I think first year I was there

1306
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: down towards the south end of the island, and uh,

1307
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: that was the first thing that I saw pop up.

1308
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: As soon as our buffaloing down like that gray fox

1309
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: came like right up to me. Didn't care all. He

1310
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, what's up. It's like just nose

1311
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: in the air, like looking it's like, oh I smell

1312
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: smell meat and he was ready to go. But uh,

1313
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: it never really came up before. But that's another thing

1314
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: I think with the wildlife in Kodiak is there's no

1315
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: real predators. I think, uh, like other places, the bear,

1316
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: as much as I know that they can take down

1317
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: like deer, elk and buffalo, it's not really a normal occurrence.

1318
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: They rely on you know, meats or meats, berries and

1319
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: twigs that they're inland or if that's where they're going

1320
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 1: for and then mainly the salmon of course, and that

1321
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: that's always their main food consumption. So I think they'll

1322
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: take carcasses and stuff like that when it's when it's

1323
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: they are and ready, and especially the more hungry they are.

1324
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I think just probably a waste

1325
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: of energy for them, so they don't actually try taking

1326
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 1: them down. More scavengers um, but yeah, no predators there.

1327
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: But anyway, uh yeah, back back to a fog neck

1328
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: and I would say like as a as a um,

1329
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, to make your point a little bit, you'll

1330
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: go to Kodiak Island and look at how many blacktailed

1331
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: deer there are. There's no way that that predation is

1332
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: that strong. If you look, the predation numbers can't be

1333
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: that high because their deer every everywhere, everywhere. Well I

1334
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: have to go on a tangent on this one. Now

1335
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: specifically with the deer. It wasn't this year was great, phenomenal,

1336
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: fantastic deer everywhere. The deer look really really healthy, a

1337
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: lot of fat on them, both mine and the ones

1338
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: other guys that I work with, killed like really really good,

1339
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: healthy deer, which is really great to see because the

1340
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: year prior was horrendous. Almost nobody got deer, very very scarce.

1341
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: And the reason for that, in my hypothesis and other

1342
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: guys that I've talked to, is all because of a

1343
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of an early freeze and it just killed off

1344
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: all the salmon berries. There was no salmon berries, uh,

1345
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: like on island at all. There was no season because

1346
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people go out and harvest and pick

1347
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: them and you know, make stuff with them, pies and

1348
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: juices and whatever else, and completely killed them off. And

1349
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: therefore I think that, you know, the deer population really hurt,

1350
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: not probably just because of the salmon berries, but other

1351
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: things that that that frost could have killed as well,

1352
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: just hurt the population so much. But the deer just

1353
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: thrived there. And from what I've been told is like

1354
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: the entire population of deer on Kodiak started with like

1355
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: seven deer on a separate island on Long Island just

1356
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: off the coast there, and I think some down in

1357
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: the south then as well, and they just dropped them off.

1358
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: And the deer from Long Island, you know, they swam

1359
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: over and the ones in the South are like that,

1360
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: all just like populated, just like blew up completely, just

1361
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: hardy creatures with the harsh conditions. But of course with

1362
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: no predators, that's that's what takes them down. It's it's

1363
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: it's the harsh conditions in the weather and then nevitally

1364
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: that's so it's not like they're dealing with coyouts and

1365
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: wolves and you know, other predators to take them. Yeah.

1366
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean, with low predation generally low predation numbers, and

1367
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: and winter kill being you know, winter kill and predation

1368
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: being kind of in habitat loss kind of being the

1369
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: three things that normally will drive population numbers down. There's

1370
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of any of those things other

1371
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: than winter kill going on. But you know, I could

1372
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: sell yeah, I mean the one time that I hunted

1373
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: blacktail deer and codiac. I mean, you could look across

1374
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: the flats, look across the Hummack flats and it would

1375
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: be two deer and one. I mean, I have photos

1376
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: of two standing in one flat. Cheese over there. That's wild.

1377
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm swarm of secrets. You can't tell you where that's right,

1378
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: That's right, I get it. But yeah, but but that's

1379
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's my experience on one small part of

1380
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: the island, but for sure is in that harsh environment.

1381
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: To see those animals frive like that, that's that's. Um.

1382
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 1: It was always amazing to me. Yeah, you know know, they're,

1383
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: like you said, hardy animals. Back to falknecks. Yeah, another tangent.

1384
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: All good tangents. But podcasts are about they're all about tangents.

1385
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: So so you had never you had quite the system

1386
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: for for getting your meat out, um, and never had

1387
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: any any bare experiences to this point. But still very prepared.

1388
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean you guys are all carrying side arms, correct,

1389
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: not not everybody. Some guys had side arms, and uh,

1390
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: some guys had rifles and then some guys didn't have

1391
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: anything at the point, just kind of like because of

1392
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: the situation where we did, uh go for the elk,

1393
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: things had kind of changed up at the course time.

1394
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: At first everybody everybody had a rifle on them, um,

1395
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: but our our goal had changed like okay, we're only

1396
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: getting one elk, and and uh that was really the

1397
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: deals like okay we're only getting one elk. This times

1398
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: like just bringing out because kind of setting up for that, uh,

1399
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: the guys prior hadn't seen anything. The conditions were just horrible.

1400
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: They were just got awful, like it was really really

1401
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: high winds, heavy rains, cold, and we just wanted to

1402
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: focus on normal conditions and normal conditions there and even

1403
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: the cloud cover was was low a lot of the

1404
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: times and of course affected visibility. So first we were

1405
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: gung ho and I think we were there for two

1406
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: days and hadn't seen anything. We didn't even see any deer,

1407
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 1: like we're just talking about the deer population. Didn't see

1408
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: any deer, didn't see any Elk and see any bear,

1409
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: didn't see anything, no fox. That was like, I didn't

1410
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: see anything living practically, and it's like you gotta be

1411
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: kidding me. It's like nothing, and we're like, okay, that

1412
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: was a little disheartening, and the other guys with the

1413
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: same way and like, okay, well, it's definitely it's a

1414
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: relatively big island. When you're on foot and having to work,

1415
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: like you've mentioned before, SA, it takes you hours to

1416
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: go anywhere, so you gotta kind of set yourself up,

1417
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: and not knowing where the actual like population of Elk

1418
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: is like can really hurt you. Did you guys bring

1419
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: any like bear fencing, or when you camped every night

1420
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: or did you just nope, just camping, yep, just asses

1421
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: out and hope nothing bad happens. Talk about that a lot,

1422
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: because we spent a lot of days out in the field,

1423
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: like sleeping overnight, and uh, I spent a lot of

1424
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: nights out in the field in a biddy and just this,

1425
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, small like rainproof sack and just call a

1426
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: bear brito because it's gonna be a bad day if

1427
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: that bear decides that you just fell really good and

1428
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: decides to take you. Gonna rip that brido open there, Yeah, exactly,

1429
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: and uh nope, that's all we had is just our shelters,

1430
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: and we were down more towards the coast, and because

1431
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: of the numbers we weren't. We've never really had issues before.

1432
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: So as soon as you have the meat and all that,

1433
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: I think that's when it changes everything. They're willing to

1434
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, they're willing to inch a little bit further

1435
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: in because of the reward rather than you know, how

1436
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: many guys you have in your in yourn five footing myself,

1437
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: I mean five people, that's a good determ for a bear.

1438
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: But when there's the the encouragement to come and check

1439
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: that meat out. It's probably a little bit more. I

1440
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: think the I don't know, people have different theories and

1441
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: their own stories, and I think fire always helped to

1442
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: do so. It's like when you have a base game,

1443
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: you know't having that fire, It's kind of like, okay,

1444
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if you're cooking something that's

1445
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: going to change stuff. But as soon as you have

1446
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: a fire in the smoke, I would think that, you know,

1447
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 1: the bears don't really like that, but then again, maybe

1448
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: they do. There's some theories on the gunshots and Kodiak

1449
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: being like dinner bells. You hear that all the time,

1450
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, that's the time that you have

1451
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: to be most aware, like bear aware, as they say,

1452
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: because it's like as soon as that happens, like you're

1453
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: just waiting. Did you guys ever consider bear spray as

1454
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: as something you would do? Would you do? You know? Like,

1455
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: and I know I got a lot of guys use it.

1456
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge proponent of it. Um. I still prefer,

1457
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, a side arm if I'm gonna carry something

1458
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: and not carry a full rifle. Otherwise, I always try

1459
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: to carry a full rifle with me. Um, I don't know.

1460
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: The bear spray supposedly works, but as we talked about

1461
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: with the the guy that was just uh just got

1462
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: mauld in Montana, you know, hit twice by that sow

1463
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: and she obviously ran straight through the bear spray. And

1464
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: I've heard other accounts of that. And I think with

1465
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: the bears that are there, if they want you, if

1466
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: they want what you have, they're gonna get it. It's

1467
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: only for Yeah, I think that kind of bear that's

1468
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: kind of curious. That makes you feel more uneasy, like

1469
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: in all honestly, like with with a bunch of guys around,

1470
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: like you're probably gonna scare the bear off. The bears

1471
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: probably not gonna like have any interest and eventually go away.

1472
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: He might get close that might scare you, but like

1473
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: you're probably pull out the bear spray. I think in fear.

1474
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I think a lot of times, like

1475
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: you hear about the you know, the false charges and

1476
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: people shooting bear and it does kind of suck. It's like, yeah,

1477
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: of course you didn't protect yourself and others, but when

1478
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: a bear is just kind of like, hey, you're in

1479
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: my area, and just kind of like a confused. It's

1480
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: hard and you know, I know other hunters have have

1481
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: had those experiences plenty of times before, including Coal, as

1482
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: we you know discussed before. I love the guy and

1483
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: you know what's up Cole. But when when he actually

1484
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,560
Speaker 1: hitting the path event event when he found out and

1485
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: he gave me She's like, hey, assholes, supposed to be

1486
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: me to get to like I'm the very guy, Like

1487
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: this is supposed to happen to me first, not you.

1488
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: So he gave me plenty of ship, but yeah, I

1489
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: know it's a very real thing. And the bear spray

1490
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna if that's all you got, awesome,

1491
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: you know that's all you got. But definitely strength numbers

1492
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: and you guys always stick together when you're when you're

1493
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: in a place, and that was, you know, the part

1494
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: of the thing. But um, again, we were just focused

1495
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: on the elk then, you know, not seeing anything else.

1496
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: The last thing any of us were expecting to run

1497
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: into is bear. Um in those conditions, and well let's

1498
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Yeah. So so you guys had

1499
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: a hunting a couple of days not seeing hot nor hair. Yeah, nothing,

1500
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: I think it was And I take that back. I

1501
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: think it was the end of the second day, just

1502
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: as the sun was going down where another guy was

1503
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: with me. He he spotted them. Finally. We're like, we're

1504
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: just trying to find different spots, like going through the

1505
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: spruce and uh and and finding open areas where you

1506
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: can kind of glass and see whatever we can see.

1507
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: And finally, high up on a bridge line, I saw

1508
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: like two to four of them, I think, well now

1509
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: three four like four alcay up on the bridge line. Way,

1510
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: thank god, Okay, it's like we finally saw something. We

1511
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: know that they're They're awesome. Immediately, like all right, let's

1512
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: break down, let's head back, let's see where we can

1513
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: get the boats in like with you know, with the

1514
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: surf and the wind that the way they were, we

1515
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 1: want to make sure and the kind of make this

1516
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: plan of attack to get up to where they were

1517
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: the following morning. So we sculpted it out, looked on

1518
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: some maps just kind of glass the area and uh

1519
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: found this bridge line that we decided to take and

1520
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 1: um made our plan and you know, set up following morning,

1521
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: got up early, early before the sun and started hiking

1522
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: up and certainly no easy going there, you know it

1523
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: took us, took us a little while, but we made

1524
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: it up, and I think the line was still the

1525
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: best that we could have taken. And finally got up

1526
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: on the ridge line and hadn't seen anything, and conditions

1527
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: were still terrible. I think the weather predicted that, you know,

1528
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be better. Of course it was

1529
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: not the opposite. It was actually more rainy and uh

1530
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: I didn't seem at first. And we had our suspicions

1531
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: because if people aren't aware, you know, elka very no max,

1532
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: they're not like deer would say, oh, sun goes down

1533
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: like they're gonna graze a little bit, maybe bed down,

1534
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: like they'll probably be there, and then moving the elk

1535
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: and move like really great distances like off in the

1536
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: night and so off. Question we get out there are

1537
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: like shit, my gosh, damn it, like where are they?

1538
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: And I started walking the ridgelines more and finally saw

1539
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: but it wasn't for as the whole herd, and I

1540
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: hadn't seen a full herd of elk yet, um no,

1541
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: well in Kodiak anyway, like I've heard it like okay,

1542
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: there's always you know, big herds of them, but we've

1543
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: always just seen like one ts and that's what we hunted,

1544
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: and honestly that's kind of better just because you don't

1545
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 1: have so many eyes on you. But finding the herd

1546
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: was like really really nice to were like, oh, we

1547
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: were just extent, you know, really really excited finally finding them.

1548
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: So we're at the top of the ridge line there

1549
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the valley, and then it was

1550
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of like great, but now what are we doing?

1551
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: And of course we're just sitting there for a while

1552
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: and looking around and how far below you are they

1553
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: at this point, I don't know what elevation we were at.

1554
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: We were pretty high we had we were definitely above alpine,

1555
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: so I don't think we're the top elevation ft or so.

1556
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: And then they were almost probably at sea level, yeah,

1557
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: not not very much higher. So um, there was very

1558
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: little cover getting down to them. A lot of older

1559
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: but not really like good spruce where you're gonna get

1560
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: a shot anyway. So that was really the talk is like, Okay,

1561
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: how do we get down to these elk um within range,

1562
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: get a shot and then of course getting them out

1563
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 1: else or out afterwards. And we figured probably just take

1564
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: the valley out, but uh, we decided like, hey, there's

1565
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: five of us. Let's split up. Three go on one

1566
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: side of the herd and two you stay on the

1567
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: other side of the herd. And we basically just kind

1568
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: of trying to make our way down and pray that

1569
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: they don't just find out we're there, and then jet

1570
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: on the other side of the alley. Hopefully they'll just

1571
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: kind of like either move one way or the other.

1572
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: Because they weren't really moving too much. They were they

1573
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: seemed a little weird, little off. We couldn't really tell

1574
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 1: what it was. And so we're just like, okay, let's

1575
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: just split them, get down. Then whoever can take a shot.

1576
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: We'll hear the shot and like cool, that's it, and

1577
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: then go to the other guys. And uh so we

1578
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 1: started moving, and myself and two other guys with the

1579
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: three man group and I started moving to to one

1580
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: side of him, making our way across the ridge line

1581
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: then eventually down and then of course we run into

1582
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: three other hunters and oh my god, I couldn't believe it.

1583
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: We were just just in awe. One we've started in

1584
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 1: there two days, like it was definitely like a piste

1585
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: off moment, and they were below us. They never saw

1586
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: us um far far down below it. They were just classing,

1587
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: and it was like, okay, rightfully, So how whever they

1588
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: got there, you know, they got there, they were clear

1589
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: they're in front of us. But it piste us off

1590
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: because no tact whatsoever right out in the open, moving

1591
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: straight towards the alkn like okay, no, one of the

1592
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: elk are kind of like weird, you know, their eyes

1593
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: are up all on the hills. Were like, well, there

1594
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: we go. It's like these you know whatever gentleman's act

1595
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, gentlemen. I don't know who they were, but

1596
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, definitely annoying. They're probably just they

1597
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: wanted to be fair chase. Yeah, yeah, right, and uh

1598
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: you know, they were doing their thing and whatever. Maybe

1599
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: it worked out for all, I don't know, but obviously

1600
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 1: it ticked us off. And like, okay, well rightfully, so

1601
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: these guys are lower, gonna get them sort of like

1602
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: the right away, but like we're not gonna end here,

1603
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: like all right. The three of us decided like, hey,

1604
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 1: let's book it back to the other side, kind of

1605
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: kind of climbed back up the ridgeline, make a way over,

1606
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 1: trying to spook the elk and then get back with

1607
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: the other two guys, like, Okay, from there, we're just

1608
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: gonna try to make our way down and uh get

1609
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: on the other side. So it's like, hey, if if

1610
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: we get down low enough we take a shot first,

1611
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: then so be it. Or if they take a shot,

1612
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll kind of like push them drive them towards us,

1613
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 1: so we're kind of be ready. So I kind of

1614
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: took the lead, running, sprinting my ass off to link

1615
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: up with the other two guys, and um, the two

1616
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: that were with me were behind me, and we're just

1617
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: kind of moving across the bridge line. I start making

1618
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: my way across and then eventually down and I'm just

1619
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: kind of starting to break down out of alpine into

1620
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: the alder the thick brush there, and I saw the

1621
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 1: hat sticking out of the order of one of the

1622
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: other guys, so that was kind of my eye, and uh,

1623
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: one of the guys that was with me, he got

1624
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: my attention. He's like, hey, he's like, we want to

1625
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: take another line down, and we were separated, you know,

1626
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: a good distance at this point. So I started my

1627
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: waking making my way up towards him. And this is

1628
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: a really really steep hill and a matter of fact,

1629
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: there's a there was a cliff kind of separating us.

1630
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: Um not huge or anything, but it's probably you know,

1631
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 1: thirty forty wide, maybe like tall, just enough that it's

1632
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 1: like he's not gonna like jump down over. It's like

1633
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be above it with the other guy, and

1634
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm below it, and we're kind of converging at that

1635
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: cliff and then paralleling at that point. So I'm kind

1636
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 1: of just coming up towards the cliff, kind of kind

1637
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: of back up the hill at this point, and I

1638
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: step over this rock, kind of climb over like terrain feature,

1639
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: so to speak. And as soon as I do, I

1640
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: stand up and turn and right down the old or

1641
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: five yards away, there she is. And immediately, like you know,

1642
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: just stopped frozen and at this like what's she doing?

1643
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: She looking at you, she looking away. So so that

1644
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: was it was like when I saw it was just

1645
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: just a big ball fur, like no features, no anything.

1646
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: I just see is this big thing of fur, and

1647
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: you know, I just I just stopped, like I couldn't

1648
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: really make out anything. And of course everything immediately like

1649
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: slows down, and the way I really have related the

1650
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: story with other people that I've told is kind of

1651
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: like the state of flow where I'm like, okay, everything

1652
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 1: immediately went slowmation. I got like no con at the time.

1653
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: From this point on, like everything we slowed down, making

1654
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: all the decisions in my head. And um so for me,

1655
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, the gears are turning, and

1656
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: the first instinct I didn't know, you know, I just

1657
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: big thing of fur. Okay, what is it? You know,

1658
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: my mind's like, okay, processing, processing, because I'm not even

1659
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: thinking about Bear, I'm thinking about Elk. And I'm like, okay,

1660
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: that's not the right color. And the color was actually

1661
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: like grayer, it wasn't really brown like even brown Bear

1662
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: and Elk, and I'm like okay, processing. But of course,

1663
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: no time whatsoever. I just I just stand up there.

1664
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: And as soon as I did, I took a step back,

1665
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,560
Speaker 1: and because it kind of dawned on me, finally okay, this,

1666
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's not good. I know I know

1667
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: better and took one step back. And whether it was

1668
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: the point where she finally heard me or finally smelt

1669
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: me and caught wind of me, she just turned her

1670
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: head and charged like immediately and h and as soon

1671
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: as I took the step back. I knew that was

1672
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: going to be the case anyway, Like I said, with

1673
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: my experiences as the bears, like everything's good, fine and danny,

1674
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: because you don't surprise them, like you never surprise at bear,

1675
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 1: Like they know you're there well before you do. Otherwise,

1676
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: like you're hunting it from like hundreds of yards yards away,

1677
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: you know you're glassing them. But like if you're that close,

1678
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: like no way they know you're there. And so as

1679
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: soon as I did, and like there was no doubt

1680
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: in my mind, like this is gonna happen, Like there's

1681
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: there's no getting out of it. You don't feel like

1682
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 1: she was processed anything she smelled it was instinct, like

1683
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: there was instinctual like there's danger, something's not right. I

1684
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: have to address this issue. There was no and and

1685
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: being five yards, but I don't have to exaggerate the

1686
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: distance where or no. I know five yards very well.

1687
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: And for people unaware, you know that talk about running

1688
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: away from bears and stuff, bears running thirty plus, like

1689
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a leap, you know a way that the

1690
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 1: bears can just they're insane. That's fast. You'd be in

1691
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: five yards from the hood of a car and somebody

1692
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: flooring it. You're taking a gonna jump out of the way.

1693
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: They could cover a let's see, five yards and in

1694
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: a millisecond really well at top speed. So yeah, I

1695
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: took a little bit longer than that, but in real time,

1696
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 1: like that's a second, really, and how long I mean

1697
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: you're when you're processing you see the bear, you're processing it,

1698
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: it's moments until it charges you. I mean no, no,

1699
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: it was almost instantaneous. Like I said, I stood up

1700
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: and and I did take a step back because it

1701
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: once it immediately click, which is you know, probably a millisecond.

1702
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: She probably as soon as I stood up, probably smelled

1703
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: me or whatever, and it took her probably a millisecond

1704
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: to just a turn. So I don't really know that

1705
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: the time wise there, but I just knew there was

1706
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: no she didn't. She wasn't standing up. There was no

1707
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: like snore, there was no like you know, kind of

1708
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: bluffing beefing up. It was just like like it startled her,

1709
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, scared, and she's like, what is this that

1710
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: just really snuck up behind me because just by her

1711
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: head turn, she was facing downhill, and in my suspicion

1712
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: as while these other guys she's probably hunting the same milk.

1713
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 1: We were like, I wanted, you know, something to do

1714
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: with whether she was going to hunt them or like

1715
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, cap lies on something else. She was there

1716
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: for a reason, like right near the elk, and she

1717
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: was just hunkered down and the older either sneaking weight

1718
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: making her way through, or just like waiting. And so

1719
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: when I came up behind her, was sheer surprise. So

1720
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: of course instinctively immediately yelled out there and instinctively was

1721
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: pulling my rifle up. I ripped the scope cover off

1722
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: and started presenting, you know, my rifle, and I knew,

1723
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, this isn't gonna happen, and this is the

1724
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: first time, and I've I've shot it a few times now.

1725
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: But I got a new uh a new rifles six

1726
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: five creed More, and I was really excited about it

1727
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: because it was insanely light. My goal is I really

1728
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 1: like guns, and I huge protram like I just love

1729
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 1: shooting in general, but I built this specifically to be

1730
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: extremely light, like the lightest rifle I have. The whole

1731
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: thing with five rounds is less than six pounds, so

1732
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: it's like a toothpick. You know you're pulling it. So

1733
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: it's so great, you know, great, gonna be great for

1734
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: goats and future out kinds and everything else. But of

1735
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: course it's not gonna take down to bear, never in

1736
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: a million years. Every it's for people who don't know.

1737
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 1: It's just a little little teeny tiny round like it's

1738
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: it's goes shoot fast and straight, and it's going to

1739
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: take a lot of shot placement, but it's it doesn't

1740
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: have a lot of power, and especially for a bear.

1741
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: And I knew it. My note, I'm like, okay, if

1742
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: I get the hip shot, if anything off, it's just

1743
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: gonna piss her off. It's not gonna take you down.

1744
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna take five pounds to the face and

1745
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: the body and just I'll end up like one of

1746
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: those stories. And all of this is just turning my mind.

1747
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: And I knew it. Started raising it, threw it down,

1748
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: and then I just Superman down the hill. And of

1749
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: course when I say that, it's like, yeah, it's a

1750
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,879
Speaker 1: little bit of a drop, but I'm not really going anywhere,

1751
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 1: and uh, I just kind of jumped in the alders

1752
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: and covered up my head and neck as best I

1753
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: could and again no concept of time, but it felt

1754
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: like I didn't even hit the ground and she was

1755
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: already on me. She had a bite in the back

1756
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: of my leg, high up on my right leg, just

1757
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: just below my ass, and she picked me up just

1758
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: by that and just threw me. Threw me over that

1759
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: same like rock like kind of terrain features that I

1760
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: was kind of falling down. I fall on my head.

1761
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: She's just kind of like just throwing me around like

1762
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: a rag doll. She picks me up and as I'm falling,

1763
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: she's trying to rebite me, and she she bites me

1764
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: in the nuts and I'm kind of like head down,

1765
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: face down. I just feel top too, canines like going

1766
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: into the taint and like that's not good, like fall

1767
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: and she's just bite me in the leg like traveling

1768
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: on the leg, bites me real hard, almost like kind

1769
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: of behind the knee. At this point, unfortunately, like the

1770
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: guys were Johnny on the spot, of course, this is

1771
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: just like second stances are happening and the guy do

1772
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: you remember screaming or yeah I did on the first one.

1773
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: But it's it's funny, you know, training dogs. I think

1774
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: I had a lot to do it. And when you

1775
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: train dogs like for for bite working stuff. Uh, it

1776
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 1: drives them just like when they stay of the animals,

1777
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: like the whole playing dead thing and actually has a

1778
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: lot of true behind it because it is it's just

1779
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: kind of like this instinctual prey that when you do

1780
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: bite or when they bite, like when you scream, it

1781
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: just drives them even more to buy the hardest. The

1782
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: first when I yelled out and I'm like like that

1783
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: was obviously making things way worse, and I'm like, okay,

1784
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: this is it. It's like this is gonna suck. It's

1785
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna be really really bad. And even when I dove,

1786
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: like I knew that, like there's no protecting myself. It

1787
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: is fully relying on everybody else around me to take

1788
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: over this point, I'm like, okay, here's trusting the boys,

1789
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: like I know they know their ship, like this is it. Yeah. Yeah,

1790
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm just I never let go. Was like just head

1791
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, our hands behind the head and neck and

1792
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: uh you know, I kind of got a gash in

1793
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: my eye from just getting thrown into some older or

1794
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: something at some point. But I'm like, yeah, I'm not

1795
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: letting go like this is you know, this is all

1796
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: I got like to to hold onto and um, right

1797
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: when she was stolen the leg she uh, the guy

1798
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 1: above me took a shot, you know, and uh you

1799
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,759
Speaker 1: know as he tells it too, obviously we all collect

1800
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: their own stories after the vent and uh he he

1801
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: didn't hear what I said. None of them did. Like

1802
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: they're all like somewhat close by, but they just they

1803
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: couldn't make out what I said, like I was yelling bear,

1804
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 1: but I just said at once and then I was

1805
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, mauled, and they just heard the scream and

1806
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: then they heard all the growling and then then you know,

1807
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: immediately immediately new So all I did is get up

1808
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: over the cliff and he peered down. He had to

1809
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,799
Speaker 1: kind of make a judgment call at that point because

1810
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't see me, like the bears just like engulfed

1811
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 1: on me, like couldn't seem at all. Made a judgment

1812
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: call and putting you know, hiring her back. And wherever

1813
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 1: that bullet ended up, I don't know. But fortunately it

1814
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: didn't end up me. And and you know I would

1815
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: have done the same thing, Like I'm thankful he did

1816
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: it and I didn't kill her, you know, it just

1817
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,679
Speaker 1: kind of piste her off and not a fear and anger.

1818
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: She beat me again, like kind of clawing on my

1819
01:24:49,560 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: back at this point and backpack definitely stone st I

1820
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: even told calls like hey man, like I know you

1821
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: know that all those guys like let him know. I

1822
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: was like, definitely saved my ass um and I got

1823
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: a few claw marks on my back, but no, it

1824
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: definitely took some took some heavies and uh save me.

1825
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: But she you know, kind of got uh to the

1826
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 1: side and then sunk one into my arm pretty good,

1827
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: and uh then the second shot went out just she

1828
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 1: just reloaded really quick quick put another one in or

1829
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: had a little bit better shot then and that one

1830
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: dropped her, you know, kind of at that point heard

1831
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 1: her enough. I heard a very distinct moan, kind of

1832
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: that kill shot type type deal, and she fell kind

1833
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: of on top of me, but a little bit of

1834
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: the side to not really engulfed me. And ironically it

1835
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: was I was a little more nervous at that point,

1836
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: even not being bit because she was right there. I

1837
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: was more nervous about my my the back of my

1838
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: head and neck because I couldn't see her at all.

1839
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on my left side, you know, with

1840
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 1: my hands behind my head and neck and looking up

1841
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: the hill with you the two other guys that were

1842
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: with me, um when we split up, and uh, all

1843
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: I could see was or all I could just feel

1844
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: is just her and like I could hear the breath,

1845
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: like I feel the firm like, oh god, I'm I

1846
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: just don't bite me, Like that's all I kept think.

1847
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm hoping that bite doesn't

1848
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: come like on my head or something. Unfortunately, she started

1849
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of crawling away. She was obviously really hurting at

1850
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 1: that point and uh barely kind of stumbling crawling away.

1851
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't see her. I was just still faced uphill.

1852
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: But the other guy that was um with me and

1853
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: the other one when we split up, he ran down

1854
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: the hill and he had a glock uh twenty on

1855
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 1: him with a ten mill, and uh, he just kind

1856
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: of got to me, pulled out the clock, ran by

1857
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 1: me and just dumped a mag you know, just dumping

1858
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: Magan and finished rock make sure she'd be gonna come

1859
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: after us anymore. And Um, immediately at that point is

1860
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: when I just started taking the backpack off on, zipping clothing,

1861
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: like trying to get things, couldn't move my leg at

1862
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: all at this point. It was just I knew that

1863
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: was the worst of it. And a little side note

1864
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: on this one, Unfortunately I was completely unaware of what

1865
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: I found out afterwards is when they took that first

1866
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: shot is uh you know, put when her in her

1867
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: in her back, they saw a cub of the older.

1868
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: So of course, like I've told everybody, was like not

1869
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: having the experience that I do with bears, which is

1870
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 1: pales and compared to something some to some people of course,

1871
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: but they're not aggressive, they're not nasty. It's like ave

1872
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 1: been around Stiles and Cause before and just keep your distance.

1873
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 1: But with the conditions the way they were, with the

1874
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: heavy rains and the winds, like a come up on

1875
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: her and definitely surprised her. She was probably hunting territorial

1876
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: and she had a cub. It's like, there's no no,

1877
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's perfect. That's the perfect storm

1878
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,919
Speaker 1: lack of a better term. And her height and protective instincts,

1879
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: like any surprised she knows the cub and it sounds

1880
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: the covers below her. Probably Yeah, so yeah, you were

1881
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, so you it was you her and the cub. Yeah,

1882
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: I never saw the cup at all. You know, it

1883
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: was completely out of my site and out of my mind.

1884
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: But motionally, when people folks think about bear attacks, they're

1885
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: thinking about this situation. So cub, yeah it is. It's

1886
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: definitelyly you know, the worst mama mama bearon and cubs

1887
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: like that's what you don't want to mess with. And

1888
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: it's like that's that's the most precarious when you're getting

1889
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: around that type of situation and say, Okay, this isn't

1890
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: just a bear like with some fish, and like you know,

1891
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 1: it's like you're gotta be more cautious and definitely make

1892
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: it aware that you don't want anything to do with them.

1893
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: How long do you think the the attack lasted? No

1894
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: idea like only seconds, Like I would say, probably still

1895
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: under a minute. Um for sure that the whole ordeal

1896
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: is probably still only like a minute. And that's that's

1897
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: hard to say too. It's a totally different world. Um.

1898
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Been in plenty of kind of flow type states in

1899
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 1: my life. We've been under a lot of stress and uh,

1900
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know, people always ask me too, is

1901
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: like did you pass out? It might not. I didn't

1902
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 1: pass out, And I think the adrenaline took over in

1903
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot of ways that I wasn't in a lot

1904
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: of pain initially either. A lot of it was just

1905
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: like a really really heightened sense of what was going on.

1906
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't the sense where I was like, okay, I

1907
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: didn't know what was gonna you know, what I was

1908
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: doing or anything. I just knew that my best situation

1909
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: for survival is just being extremely keen on everything going on,

1910
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: and and like even as the bites are happy, I'm

1911
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of thinking to myself like, Okay, I know what

1912
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 1: those wounds could be, like the worst case scenario, like

1913
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: what it is, like, Okay, here, that's what I'm gonna

1914
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 1: have to do afterwards. The treat you're thinking practically, yeah,

1915
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking I'm like, oh this is it, this

1916
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: is in the end. You weren't thinking about your friends,

1917
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: your family, like it really wasn't. I was just thinking

1918
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: like this situation as it is just really really in

1919
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 1: the moment, and as everything was going on so naturally. Again,

1920
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: as soon as that the other guy that had the

1921
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: pistol like ran by me. That's initially it was my

1922
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: first thought was like, okay, the the you know, the

1923
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: battles over it's it's it's one, it's done, it's taken

1924
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 1: care of. Now it's like, okay, we gotta gotta treat this. Um.

1925
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: Everything that's going on with me, And I knew the

1926
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: other guys had the same process, like they're figuring everything out,

1927
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: and um, did you you know during during the attack,

1928
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: you remember any distinctive sounds or smells or things that

1929
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: that paying your memory back to that. I certainly remember

1930
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: the growling and everything the bear was making. Um, that's unquestionable. Um.

1931
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: Fortunately there was no like gnarly bone breaks training that

1932
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: I had to endure or hear, or crunching or anything

1933
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: like that. It was just her and I remember kind

1934
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: of the snorts and the breathing and the smells. No,

1935
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: I you know, I know that sounds kind of funny

1936
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: because I know smells are some of the biggest It's

1937
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: it's the number one sent that recalls memory. And No,

1938
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot of smells, probably because

1939
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: there wasn't a whole lot besides some moisture in there,

1940
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: you know, for me to smell um, given the conditions

1941
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: and the winds, and probably the same reason why she

1942
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: didn't smell me either, And that's all I can think of.

1943
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, I hadn't really thought about the smells too much,

1944
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: but but just hear the impact of her teeth and yeah,

1945
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: no certainly felt it and um and and new but

1946
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: it was, uh, you know, definitely kind of surreal. And

1947
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: it's it's weird because whenever I think back upon it, too,

1948
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: is kind of different visions of the same thing. Not

1949
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: necessarily PTSD or anything, but I definitely uh think back

1950
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: on it and different points of view of being in

1951
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: the first person and also in third person just like

1952
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: experienced the same thing. So it's kind of unique. But um, yeah,

1953
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: quite quite the experience there. The the treatment portion in

1954
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 1: itself was um, pretty funny too. One of the um

1955
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: so the other two after everything happening, you know, they finished.

1956
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: I definitely had to get to it because it is

1957
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of funny. And I've got a really good bunch

1958
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: of group group of guys with me, and one of

1959
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: them has some pretty good medical experiences he's had in

1960
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: his past, and um, he came over and everybody's kind

1961
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 1: of getting the reduction in a row, so to speak,

1962
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: and delegating stuff out and uh, guys are reloading because

1963
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: they're also We're also thinking, hey, the cub or multiple

1964
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: cubs could still be around, Like, doesn't mean they can't

1965
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: come back. Like cub can mess you up just as

1966
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 1: well as you know, MoMA bear could, especially when it

1967
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: might be you know, ticked off the protective of mom

1968
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: embarrass The guys were you know, very weary of that

1969
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: as well, but fortunately never never saw the cub. And uh,

1970
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,799
Speaker 1: they immediately just start breaking out the UM SATH phone,

1971
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: Dorman reaches and getting on those and uh Dorman reached,

1972
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: they activated, the SS beacon was on it and UM

1973
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,839
Speaker 1: guys are getting on the STATH phone making phone calls.

1974
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 1: So as this was happening, you know, as I said,

1975
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm taking off my clothing it as a kid, just

1976
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: like unzipping stuff and then trying to get stuff out.

1977
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: And I had my AID kit and I'm telling them

1978
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: where that is, and and they were using their own

1979
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: AID kits as well. And the guy that was working

1980
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: on me, he's, you know, starts to get his shears

1981
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 1: out and he's cutting all the clothing off on me

1982
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: and uh and trying to get at the wounds. And

1983
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: immediately when he came up to me, I told him like, hey,

1984
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: I needed trying to get on my right leg. Um,

1985
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: just practice that we've done before, because I knew that

1986
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: the leg took the worst, and I was nervous about

1987
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: any type of like heavy artery damage it could be

1988
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: and um, certainly where the wounds were. Fortunately that wasn't

1989
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the case, but it still could have been under the circumstances,

1990
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: especially couldn't move my legs. So was there a lot

1991
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: of blood? I mean there was significant, but really there wasn't.

1992
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 1: Um certainly not enough to put me in the shock

1993
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: or anything. Just you know, a fair bit of blood

1994
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: just from you know, there's trauma. But but of course

1995
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm like wearing you know, uh, one set of pants

1996
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 1: and then rain pants and then gators and then boots,

1997
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: so everything is kind of covering everything so you can't

1998
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,839
Speaker 1: really see these sides. Just a bunch of puncture wounds everywhere,

1999
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: like holes in the clothing. So once he starts cutting

2000
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: everything off, he's kind of sees him rolls me over

2001
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: and he say, okay, we can take the turniquet off

2002
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: because like it was good. We're just gonna pack this.

2003
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: The blood is not that bad. And uh, I was

2004
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:56,640
Speaker 1: like and the only thing going through my head is

2005
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 1: because I've had some training with tourniquets and stuff before, Like, Okay,

2006
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna go real slow because I don't I want

2007
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: to lose my leg because it's happened before where guys

2008
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: have taken tourniquets off too fast and that rush of

2009
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 1: blood back into the appendage. Well, just that's how you

2010
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: lose one. So a little nervous on that point. But

2011
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: we're kind of we're going through and he's looking at

2012
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 1: the wounds like, Okay, they're not that bad, and I'm

2013
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: trying to point out other wounds, but I knew that

2014
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: the leg was the worst. But as soon as you

2015
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of get through it, I'm like, hey, I'm like,

2016
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 1: but it I need you to I need you to

2017
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: look at my taint. I'm like, I'm like, I know

2018
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,799
Speaker 1: because I remember that. And I was like, oh no,

2019
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: oh no, I was laughing. I was just saying I'm

2020
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: telling you, like I'll have to show you pictures afterwards.

2021
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: But I was going through the moment of it and

2022
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, no, homo here, but I really needs

2023
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: you to check my taint and he's like okay, it's

2024
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, and does it pulls up

2025
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: my you know, underwear, but it's kind of underneath and

2026
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: he looks and he's like, no, you're good, button my okay,

2027
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: but I knew something was wrong, like it doesn't feel right,

2028
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: and he you know, kind of goes back, uh you

2029
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: know through looking, you know, cutting off other pieces of clothing,

2030
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: and uh I might know. I man like something right,

2031
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: I needs you to I need to really, So he

2032
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,639
Speaker 1: cuts off the pants like to my underwear at least

2033
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 1: this point, and like lift up the underwear and even

2034
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: before you can see the underwear or just a hole

2035
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: in it with just blood everywhere, and like, damn it.

2036
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: So it lifts it up and like yep, I'm like

2037
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: just looking down like just as you know, looking at

2038
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: underneath minor where I'm like, yep, there it is. There's

2039
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: my testicle hanging out like great, and uh you know

2040
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 1: he sees it. Two it's like okay, and uh you know,

2041
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 1: I just reached down like I gotta put that back in,

2042
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: pretending like that never happened, dude. And uh so then

2043
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: of course that's all that was on my mind. I'm like, gosh,

2044
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: damn it. I'm like you gotta be shipping me. And

2045
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm also like still where. I'm like, okay, I know

2046
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: my arm in my back is kind of messed up.

2047
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here's one here, and I'm like I

2048
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: tell him he cuts it off. He's like, yeah, okay,

2049
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: I see it. And you know they're packing those wounds

2050
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: as well, and but it's still in my min. I'm like, hey,

2051
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 1: does anybody have any like a sock or something I

2052
01:35:55,000 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: can sub down there? Like again, so still it's hatched though.

2053
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh it was you know, like little nunchucks, you know,

2054
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: hanging out. Baby, still down there, still good, but so

2055
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: you felt like it's attached. Yeah, it's like it's gotta

2056
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: be's still good, and there's just been like a you know,

2057
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: like the bubbles burst. Yeah, and I'm like, man, I

2058
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: know guys have like bisectomies and stuff, but like it

2059
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: doesn't come out. They just like reached in there and

2060
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, make a little snip snip and it's good,

2061
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, cut the little whatever it is down there,

2062
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: vas difference whatever it is. And uh, I'm like, oh man,

2063
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me. And so of course it

2064
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: was on my mind. I'm nervous about it coming back out,

2065
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: and so I'm like I was asking he didn't get

2066
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: it like a soccer something I just didn't wanted to

2067
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 1: pop out, like what I'm getting moved around and stuff.

2068
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, damn it bandana or yeah, exactly something.

2069
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like it's it's in the underwear,

2070
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: like it's good, like not gonna focus on it, but

2071
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: of course I'm focused on it, and uh, the jokes

2072
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: just start coming out of me, like guys like, don't

2073
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: worry about it, man, you need one, like you still

2074
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 1: have kids, like really like lighthearted guys. And I'm just laughing. Honestly,

2075
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't really good spirits to the whole thing, like

2076
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna die. I knew nothing bad was gonna happen.

2077
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm laughing too, and we're cracking jokes and really, you know,

2078
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: barely made it out. You know, it's many bare jokes

2079
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,759
Speaker 1: as you can make a meedily. And it just started

2080
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: sitation hay situation, and uh it was great. But I

2081
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: know they found some little scary strip type things and

2082
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 1: put that on there. And of course you know, if

2083
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: you have any type of organs are about, you're not

2084
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: supposed to put him back in. So that was also

2085
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. I'm like, I'm gonna that's okay,

2086
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 1: I'll put him back in, Like I don't want that

2087
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: thing just hanging around, Willy nilly. I'm putting that back.

2088
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: It's going in against the medical advice. I'm putting it

2089
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: back in. Alright, there's there's no that just yeah, I hope.

2090
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I never want anybody to experience that,

2091
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 1: because that's not a fun feeling just seeing it, like

2092
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,879
Speaker 1: hanging out as a podcast host speechless, right, yeah, continue,

2093
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 1: I have nothing to add to the conversation. There's nothing

2094
01:37:56,080 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: I can say. So it's at this point I'm kind

2095
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: of patched up and the guys are getting out there,

2096
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, puff Jacketson's lating Jacketson trying to cover me

2097
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: back up because I'm essentially kind of naked on one

2098
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: half of my body and given the conditions, it was

2099
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: pretty brutal. And I gotta say, with the whole experience,

2100
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: that was certainly the worst part was just in during

2101
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: the cold. And I'm certainly no stranger to cold, uh

2102
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 1: living up there, being from Maine before that and doing

2103
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: a lot of type of outdoor training, um and having

2104
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: experiences I know, the cold but that when I was

2105
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: just Jack Camery, it was it was hard going, UM

2106
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: waiting on the coach guard, which we had gotten in

2107
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: contact with UM via the SAT phone. So how quickly,

2108
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: how quickly to the wounds are dressed as well as

2109
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: they could, the testicles back in its place. Everything is

2110
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: is you guys feel like stable at this point? How

2111
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: quickly did that happen until you were making those calls

2112
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and expecting the rescue? So, UM, we're on the bird.

2113
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: We had no idea what to expect with them as

2114
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 1: time wise in how soon that they would get there,

2115
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: UM getting spun up. It's it's not a long flight

2116
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 1: like it's only like I want to say, fifty minutes

2117
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: for them to fly UM from the base to a

2118
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 1: to a fog neck as we talked about them before.

2119
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: That's a scary thing just because the weather you don't know,

2120
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: it changed so quickly exactly, and and they were the

2121
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: cloud cover had kind of lifted. It wasn't as low

2122
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 1: as it had been earlier in the day, so that

2123
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: was certainly a blessing, but it still wasn't great conditions

2124
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 1: by any means either, And of course they still had

2125
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: to find us. But we were walking them on. Guys

2126
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,839
Speaker 1: were Johnny on the spot with grid coordinates, um, passing

2127
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: them like Latin long whenever they needed it in and

2128
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: UH got them to coordinates and and walked him on there.

2129
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: But I did want to touch out on on one

2130
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 1: piece because you mentioned earlier and that was a learning

2131
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:52,720
Speaker 1: point for us. Is the dorm in reach, So the

2132
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:57,559
Speaker 1: in reach SUS button reactivated it. Nobody is like the

2133
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: dolrum en Reach is a it's a EPs slash you know,

2134
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: GPS communicator that you can text on. I use it

2135
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: to text my wife still stay in good graces when

2136
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm on. And on the side of it, there's an

2137
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: s O S button. You can peel back this this

2138
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 1: plastic you know, rubb recovering and push this SOS button

2139
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: that's supposed to send a signal out a beacon and um,

2140
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 1: something happened bad, come get me exactly. That's it. And

2141
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 1: you know we use it for the primary reason, just

2142
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: like you said, texting is one of the biggest things.

2143
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: When we're off there, we can't text any other means

2144
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna waste minutes in time on the

2145
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: SAT phone. So it's been great for that. However, we

2146
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 1: never really knew what the sus do, you know, like

2147
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: for somebody comes save me, know, save our souls. You know,

2148
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: that's literally what it is. And we activated unfortunately had

2149
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: the SAT or the SAT phone with us, but when

2150
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: we activated it, come to find out afterwards, the State

2151
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: troopers got it first. Um talk to State trooper when

2152
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: I was in the hospital and he's like, yeah, it's

2153
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 1: like they got the call first. By the time they

2154
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,720
Speaker 1: got the call, didn't really know what it was. They

2155
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: just knew was some sort of emergency beacon. No idea

2156
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 1: this situation. I think it gives him uh GPS coordinate

2157
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: and it just tells him something bad has happened. That's

2158
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 1: pretty much it. And probably the user name, I think,

2159
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 1: whatever his information is it because it wasn't my my

2160
01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:23,000
Speaker 1: dorm and just somebody else's mine was just bright exactly.

2161
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 1: And so that went out and by the time they

2162
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: had any inclination of what was going on what it was,

2163
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 1: Coast Guards already spent up on our way. So saw

2164
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: like they were really you know, quick to react like

2165
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: that they were because we had him on the SAT

2166
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,480
Speaker 1: without a set phone, then it would have been like okay,

2167
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: they would have had to call the coast guard. The

2168
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: coast guard would have had no idea what was going on.

2169
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: They would have had reached out on the Dolorum, you know,

2170
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:47,719
Speaker 1: and and I don't know if that's by a textile

2171
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 1: that would go down or or what, but it would

2172
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: have been a little bit different, maybe even longer. And

2173
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 1: uh so as this was going down, um, I'm just gonna,

2174
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, sitting there waiting at this point, there's nothing

2175
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:02,719
Speaker 1: else to do. Guys that weren't on the comms piece,

2176
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: we're just kind of cutting branches because we knew, you know,

2177
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 1: getting a burden. They're gonna come lift me out, and

2178
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:10,600
Speaker 1: so they're just kind of cutting down branches in the

2179
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: area trying to clear you know, pave away couldn't really move. Um,

2180
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: I I think, you know, given different circumstances, I didn't

2181
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 1: have another bunch of guys around me, and if I was, so,

2182
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 1: it would have been just a jilacious stray like who

2183
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: knows would have what or could have happened, you know,

2184
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: But fortunately that was not the case. The other two

2185
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: guys and other two guys your hunting parties still don't

2186
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 1: know this is going on, or you know, they were

2187
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: with us the other two that was separate. They heard

2188
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 1: all the commotions, so they came up. Yeah, it was

2189
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: it was that guy or one of the two that

2190
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 1: actually he came up and he was one of treating

2191
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 1: my wounds all together. Yeah, everybody's yeah, everybody pitched in

2192
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: and it was the other guy from the other party

2193
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 1: that he uh, um was on the sat phone and

2194
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:57,200
Speaker 1: he was doing that piece. So kind of everybody's you know,

2195
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,599
Speaker 1: finding a job, doing something at this point, like I said,

2196
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: really really text but couldn't went down any ever any better.

2197
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: What's far But he's doing, you know, a job or

2198
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: looking for something to do. And uh yeah, at that

2199
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: point in time, it was just sitting wait and they're

2200
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: talking to him on the bird and bird comes in

2201
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: and um, you know, hoist the guy down first. And

2202
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: he kind of comes and assesses me and ask me

2203
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: questions and I'm completely coherent answering him good spirits, YadA,

2204
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, checking everything over. They come up with a

2205
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: plan of action to get the litter down and then

2206
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 1: put me on the litter and then uh and hoist

2207
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: me up. Um. The whole process definitely took longer than

2208
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: I would have liked. I think it I don't. I

2209
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: know the incident happened right around one ten. I think

2210
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: it's in the attack happened and I didn't have a

2211
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: chance check my watch and everything. The hospital they took

2212
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: it all off, but uh it was like roughly from

2213
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 1: what I heard about two and a half hours later

2214
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 1: that I was actually at the hospital. So blessing going

2215
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: out to the coast guards. Still save my but that

2216
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: definitely if it was a fatal wound, like you know,

2217
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: there's no question there's been a fatal wound, and the

2218
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 1: well out of the golden hour like one hour period,

2219
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, you know my life might have been safe,

2220
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 1: So still save my ass um wasn't too happy about

2221
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: their their hoist camera that they have so on there.

2222
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: Uh they're they're helicopter. They have they have a hoist

2223
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 1: camera like going right down the cable like where it's

2224
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 1: lefting me up and immediately immediately as soon as it

2225
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: went down, like they had that camera footage of hoisting

2226
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 1: me up, you know, off the ground and posted on

2227
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: Facebook like social media. So I love the coach guards

2228
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 1: still saying my ask, but they immediately posted that so

2229
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 1: for what a reason, I don't know, for their own reason,

2230
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 1: like hey, you know save the hiker, you know hunter

2231
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, uh from from and again like

2232
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: I give it to him percent. It's like, hey, you know,

2233
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,280
Speaker 1: I would absolutely give them, you know, the save the

2234
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: rescue and good for them. But I was kind of like, man,

2235
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:04,800
Speaker 1: to post it immediately. It made me and other guys

2236
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 1: more upset because I had other guys you know that

2237
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: I know, and they were out in the field and

2238
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 1: or you know, outside of of work, and they found

2239
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: out through Facebook before they found out from guys like

2240
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:20,679
Speaker 1: phone calls like hey, you know, uh guy just got mauled,

2241
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 1: you know whatever, else, like through any anything else. And

2242
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: uh fortunately my my folks didn't find out that way,

2243
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, I called and when I got to hospital.

2244
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of like, that's that's pretty much. That's

2245
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: pretty messed up to do it, you know, so so soon.

2246
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, it didn't make me happy, and

2247
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 1: I do want to give him the rescue everything else,

2248
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 1: but I was like, man, that's pretty unprofessional. As far

2249
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: as I would agree with that wholeheartedly, like marketing their ability. Yeah,

2250
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,400
Speaker 1: and and again I'm not against them doing that. They

2251
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. They're like they are. The

2252
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,599
Speaker 1: biggest base you know, is in Kodiak for the coach guard,

2253
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 1: and rightfully so they save a lot a lot of Yeah,

2254
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: all props for the life saving efforts. But come on, sin,

2255
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: come on streamline that social process. But yeah, it's was

2256
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 1: there moments in the waiting because you know, we talked

2257
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,679
Speaker 1: about like sounds and smells of of the attack, right,

2258
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 1: but are there are moments in the waiting to be rescued?

2259
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Um in air quotes, I guess where things started to

2260
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 1: settle in your mind as to what happened or was

2261
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 1: it still a tactical you know, I gotta get out

2262
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: of here. I need to stay alive. I need to

2263
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 1: get you know what. You you obviously weren't given any duties.

2264
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: You had to you know, lay there, be warm and

2265
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 1: be stable survive. So during that time, do you remember

2266
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: your mind drifting to any particular things other than you know,

2267
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:51,640
Speaker 1: I was pretty focused in a moment still, Um No,

2268
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: I never. I don't know. I'm a very determined, focused

2269
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: kind of individual, and guys that know me know the

2270
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 1: same thing that I I definitely don't let anybody tell

2271
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: me how things are gonna go or how I'm gonna

2272
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: live my life or how things gonna turn out or

2273
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 1: odds or anything like that really kind of drives me

2274
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 1: and forces me to work even harder. So the only

2275
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: thoughts going through my mind is like, okay, cool, well,

2276
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 1: I wonder how long this is gonna take before him

2277
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 1: back to doing the same old things I'm gonna be doing.

2278
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,679
Speaker 1: Like nothing in my mind was like, oh I'm limp

2279
01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: biscuit now. Besides like the jokes of like, hm, I

2280
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: wonder if I can have kids, but I'm single, Like

2281
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a girlfriend, you know, no wife, no kids,

2282
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: anybody else. It's like it's like, you know what, if

2283
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna approve this, I'm gonna prove it. You know

2284
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 1: however many years down the road, like if that's even

2285
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: gonna happen. So uh yeah, the only thing going through

2286
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 1: my mind is like, all right, I wonder how long

2287
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna take me out of the picture, you know.

2288
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I'm just kind of like, okay, what's next?

2289
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: Like I survived like none whatsoever, and I was just

2290
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: I was really really proud. I guess of the guys,

2291
01:47:54,479 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 1: that would mean I guess all right. Brad Jason Man

2292
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: the myth still still here, still alive, a little banged up,

2293
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 1: doing just fun. And so we got one more bear

2294
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 1: attack to go through. Now, Phil, this is the the

2295
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 1: only one you were a part of. In the recording,

2296
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I would say, back to back here we have the

2297
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: most talked about podcasts and in the history of the show,

2298
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,120
Speaker 1: right back to back, one being Brad's bear attack and

2299
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 1: to being Dr Barry Gilbert's appearance on the show. Would

2300
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: you agree with the second? Um? So where? But I

2301
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,759
Speaker 1: was wondering if if it made sense to include this here,

2302
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,679
Speaker 1: because really, what we were talking about after the Barry

2303
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 1: Gilbert interview was not the bear attack. It was all

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01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: the other things that happened after the bar Tach story.

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01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,719
Speaker 1: And you know what happened after the bar Tach story

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01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 1: was crazy because we had a man here who had

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01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,719
Speaker 1: half his face mauled by a bear, and after he left,

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01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about his bar attack story

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01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: at all. And so that's why when I was looking

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01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,040
Speaker 1: at what we would do for this best of I

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01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure we got his bear attack story

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01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 1: in there and just that. It's because honestly, it's a

2313
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 1: good story. It's a great story, and it's a. It's

2314
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer that that that ended up not

2315
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 1: being the the takeaway from the show. It is a

2316
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 1: bit of a bummer, but we still appreciate the story. Um,

2317
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 1: even if the show didn't go right after this this happened,

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01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: it didn't go the way that we thought it might go.

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01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 1: So I wanted to make sure we just we This

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01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 1: is another great example of you know what not to

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01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 1: do in the outdoors as far as how you go

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01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 1: through bear country, but also in Barry's case, just you're

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01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 1: just a little bit unlucky. Um. And you'll you'll hear

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01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 1: the you'll hear the similarities. There's pretty stark the similarities

2325
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 1: between Brad's story and Barry's story. And so listen to those,

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01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 1: listen for those parallels, and appreciate a story for what

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01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:04,679
Speaker 1: it is. And again he he uses a very sink language.

2328
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: He says, I charged the bear. I charged the bear.

2329
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:13,839
Speaker 1: And he's doing that very deliberately, um, and for obvious reasons.

2330
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: He's an advocate for for bears. And so just listen

2331
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,799
Speaker 1: to that language, listen to Barry and enjoy his story

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01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 1: of his attack in Yellowstone some thirty years ago. I

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01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 1: guess I grew up on an older road, Mr Barry

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01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:35,439
Speaker 1: Gil But how are you, sir? Very good? Nice to them. Yeah,

2335
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 1: how are you enjoying your Bozeman times thus far? It's

2336
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: been great. I'm staying up in the Mountain zeesa town,

2337
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 1: and uh, it's a really nice wild country. I'm gonna

2338
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,719
Speaker 1: be going down to Yellowstone a couple of days too,

2339
01:50:47,800 --> 01:50:51,680
Speaker 1: so I'll be good. Can never get enough of that country.

2340
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: So well. Welcome to the media studios and and to

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01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,599
Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective. Thanks for coming and really appreciate your time. Uh.

2342
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I would guess that a lot of

2343
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: our listeners are unaware of your story, which I'm I'm

2344
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,760
Speaker 1: glad to kind of go through it in detail. Yes,

2345
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: it was. I was attacked forty two years ago, and

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01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 1: it's in my book that I just written, called one

2347
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: of us a biologist walk among bears. I'll get my

2348
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: plug in ear but trained professional. Yeah, I started out

2349
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: with grizzly bear work, trying to work on human their interactions,

2350
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 1: how people were affecting bears in uh Yellowstone and Uh

2351
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I was out with a graduate student, UM ten miles

2352
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 1: from the nearest road up the Indian Creek Trail, near

2353
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: a big horn pass and Uh, I saw grizzly bears

2354
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 1: in the morning when we get up through im six o'clock,

2355
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,880
Speaker 1: and they were so far away that I suggested my

2356
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: student we take a big circle around uh the bears

2357
01:51:56,360 --> 01:52:00,600
Speaker 1: and bush whack up a distant ridge which was at

2358
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:03,559
Speaker 1: nine th two hundred feet. The long and the short

2359
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: was that he stopped for a nature call, and I

2360
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:11,400
Speaker 1: went over the ridge and stayed lowd so I wouldn't

2361
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 1: get help barking when they saw me on the skyline,

2362
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 1: and I was hunched over and moving swiftly so I

2363
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:22,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't be up there on the skyline. And unfortunately I

2364
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: charged their lying and at Steve dead and it was

2365
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 1: a female with cuts, and she didn't think much of that.

2366
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:31,920
Speaker 1: In fact, she came out need like a three train

2367
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: with their claws hitting the ground and put me in

2368
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 1: the hospital for two months. He basically took off the

2369
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:43,240
Speaker 1: side of my face, my nose and ears and scout

2370
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:47,640
Speaker 1: me and I ended up with shortly short of a

2371
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 1: thousand stitches in my head. But I had a magnificent rescue.

2372
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 1: I told them not to kill that there. It was

2373
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 1: something that I did in a surprise encounter with the

2374
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 1: baddest function, and uh I went back. Within a couple

2375
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: of years, my student went to the Assamity to study

2376
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 1: h easier easier going there's and he got a good

2377
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: master's thesis out of that. And uh I got an

2378
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 1: opportunity I think it was four or five years later

2379
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: to go to Captain National Park where now upwards of

2380
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:27,679
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty round theirs come down onto salmon streams

2381
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:30,599
Speaker 1: and there are five hundred, six hundred people a day

2382
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 1: walking along them. When I started the research in uh

2383
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 1: it was of course a time of fewer interactions, but

2384
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 1: they still knew that the bears were being bumped off

2385
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: the river. And I designed to study two, gather very

2386
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 1: detailed data voute there numbers on the river and people

2387
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 1: numbers through the day and through the week. From Dontell

2388
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 1: dusk we did sampling four hours. Yeah, the lot to

2389
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 1: unpack there when you rushed through some stuff I want

2390
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 1: to definitely cover. I mean, it's seven when the attack occurred,

2391
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: and you say, forty two years now from that time,

2392
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 1: and obviously so much of your life has kind of

2393
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: been defined by by that moment. When you you know,

2394
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 1: when you look back on that day, Um, there's so

2395
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 1: much to go through. But I thought the most amazing

2396
01:54:25,320 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: part as I'm reading your story and people can read it,

2397
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 1: and one of us, um, and I was reading your

2398
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: stories as you've written, you're talking about the rescue. You know,

2399
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 1: a thousand suitures, you're basically scalped, You're you're losing a

2400
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: bunch of blood. And then how you rescued that day.

2401
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 1: Can we go through that, you know, the moment that

2402
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 1: that your your student Bruce found you and then and

2403
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: then called this in and that all plays very interesting

2404
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, the short story, there's a whole chapter. Actually,

2405
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: the second chapter is thenardless rescue I had, Uh we

2406
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: had a park service really oh and my student picked

2407
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 1: that up and got onto the main channel with the

2408
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 1: park service. They shut down the whole communication system just

2409
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: to talk to us, and uh and uh, my students

2410
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:19,400
Speaker 1: said that I was badly enough injured. Well, he asked

2411
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,879
Speaker 1: me how I was, and I occurred in the gargled

2412
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I think I'm I'm still alive. But then

2413
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 1: I thought, Bruce, tell him I'm dying, because I really

2414
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: was dying. I was bleeding out right there. And uh,

2415
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: they launched a small nash type helicopter. They found a

2416
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 1: pilot downtown shopping, Jim Thompson. Yeah, Nartilus guy. Uh and

2417
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 1: he got in this sort of rickety uh uh helicopter

2418
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: that was losing its supercharger and he's coming in at

2419
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 1: nine thousand feet trying to pick up a guy in

2420
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 1: a windstorm, I mean the air out there, and he

2421
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 1: couldn't land next to me anyway. He landed in the

2422
01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: small valley next door. Uh. And he brought with him

2423
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Tom Black, who was the leader of the rescue operations.

2424
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 1: And Uh. Tom realized when he saw me with Jim

2425
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: that they needed some serious help there. So they called

2426
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 1: smoke jumpers from West Jellostone smoke jump Base and UH,

2427
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 1: a d C three launched from there with eight smoke

2428
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 1: jumpers who dropped packages right almost hit me. Uh and uh.

2429
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: The guys did a Nartilus job getting me stabilized, and

2430
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:45,440
Speaker 1: they took me down to Lake Hospital, which was maybe

2431
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:50,120
Speaker 1: twenty minutes by chopper and uh lo and behold, the

2432
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 1: University Utah Medical Center had rotated in for Vietnam Toronto

2433
01:56:56,120 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: surgeons who were just going up for a couple of

2434
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: weeks at a clinic. And so these guys had seen

2435
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 1: people blown apart by shrapnel and all kinds of nasty wounds,

2436
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 1: and they further stabilized me, and then the ambulance took

2437
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: me out to West Yellowstone Airport and a salt Lake

2438
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 1: had sent up a basically a flying operating room and

2439
01:57:17,480 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 1: got me down and they started working on me at

2440
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 1: eleven clock at night and and eleven hour surgery closing

2441
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: all those wounds. And of course then you gotta beat

2442
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,839
Speaker 1: the infections. Infections. Every time we talk about bear attacks,

2443
01:57:34,840 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that you try to talk about,

2444
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 1: is when we have an open wound that was caused

2445
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,880
Speaker 1: by an animal. They've got one filthy mouth and they

2446
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:43,720
Speaker 1: can't and you can't really just close that wind right

2447
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 1: back up. I was just colored with toods. Yeah, I

2448
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: can laugh now it's sort of a gallows humler, but

2449
01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 1: it was nippin talk. I my attempt at Sturre in

2450
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 1: the hospital kept going out around a hundred before you know,

2451
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: I could have clocked out right then right there. Do

2452
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:04,280
Speaker 1: you ever do you think of moments during during I'm

2453
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: sure what was kind of like a and very intense

2454
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: and very wild whirlwind to get out of there, to get.

2455
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's some serendipity involved with with your medical

2456
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 1: care too. It was there moments in there where you thought,

2457
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is it for me? Are

2458
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:23,520
Speaker 1: you dying or or the end of the research, either

2459
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 1: one both. Just I'm interested in moments during that time.

2460
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't dwell on that, and

2461
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk publicly too much about it,

2462
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, you get a TV producer stick

2463
01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 1: of candle in your face and Dr Gilder, how did

2464
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:42,960
Speaker 1: you feel when you lost your face and you thought

2465
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:44,520
Speaker 1: you were going to die in your family is going

2466
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: to be without a husband, and I thought, you know,

2467
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: f you us of those kind of things. But I

2468
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 1: realized that I was close to death. And one day

2469
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 1: in the hospital, I was watching television and I saw

2470
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: turtle walk across on the television screen and I started

2471
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 1: to cry and I couldn't stop crying. I knew I

2472
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 1: was going to live. So yeah, there you go. I

2473
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 1: choke them out the already years later, but we're not

2474
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna We're not gonna go. I just wanted to, you know,

2475
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 1: kind of just understand a little bit of well, And

2476
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 1: it's a reasonable question because then the next one is, well,

2477
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 1: how the heck did you decide to go back and

2478
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 1: study even bigger? There's exactly and when you're it's it's

2479
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 1: hard to And again we were talking before this we

2480
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 1: I know, with this podcast and with our company or

2481
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 1: to meetia or we were a media company, and we

2482
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 1: know we look at the numbers, we look at what

2483
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 1: people want to hear about, and when we talk about

2484
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:46,120
Speaker 1: bear attacks, more people listen, more people pay attention. Yeah,

2485
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: and we don't you know, I'm not gonna base our

2486
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:50,320
Speaker 1: audience to say it's just a sensationalist part of it,

2487
01:59:50,360 --> 01:59:53,640
Speaker 1: but there is some version of that intrigue for well,

2488
01:59:53,680 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of both ignorance and fear,

2489
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 1: and that's very normal. I don't say that to thee

2490
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 1: the jarw towards people, but if we really want to

2491
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 1: fear something, we had to fear the automo deal it.

2492
02:00:06,240 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 1: It kills and names more people. And you can go

2493
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:14,480
Speaker 1: on YouTube or whatever and see got people's arms with

2494
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 1: their watch still on, and that there's torn and pieces.

2495
02:00:18,240 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: You don't see that with automobiles. All that sort of

2496
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 1: stuff happens and you don't get visuals of it. Actually,

2497
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: my wife as I was going out hunting not too

2498
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: long a couple of weeks ago. She said, are there

2499
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna be bears? Are you gonna get attacked? And there's

2500
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 1: been bear tax recently. I said, I'm more. It's more

2501
02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 1: dangerous for me to drive over to the hunting spot

2502
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:36,840
Speaker 1: because I I up in there than it is to

2503
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: actually out there. And I believe. I believe that solely,

2504
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:42,760
Speaker 1: and I don't let my personal beliefs. I can't let

2505
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:47,320
Speaker 1: that inherent there's danger and inherited everything, and to sensationalize

2506
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:49,240
Speaker 1: one version of it because it seems a little bit

2507
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:51,520
Speaker 1: more visceral, a little bit more scary, it's just not

2508
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 1: intellectually honest for me. So I just try to sing

2509
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:58,720
Speaker 1: with everything. Only the sociologists could tell us why we're

2510
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 1: so obsessed with carnal the words attacking people. Maybe it's

2511
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:05,480
Speaker 1: a control thing, but look at the numbers of people

2512
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:09,640
Speaker 1: have been dying from OTIOI. It's seven hundred thousand people.

2513
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:13,280
Speaker 1: Yet to Grizzly there attacks will get held a lot

2514
02:01:13,320 --> 02:01:17,000
Speaker 1: more pressed than all these deaths of fine young people

2515
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:20,640
Speaker 1: that are on a drug that shouldn't be on the market. Yeah,

2516
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:23,680
Speaker 1: you know that that they're those comparisons are they're pretty

2517
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:27,240
Speaker 1: stark when you start to think about how, like you said, one,

2518
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,480
Speaker 1: we've We've had, like I said, four bear attacks in

2519
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 1: the Gravelly Mountain range here in south of Bosman recently,

2520
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:36,280
Speaker 1: and when I was traveling around prior to Elk opening day,

2521
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 1: we had more. I had more conversations with hunters that

2522
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 1: I know in the industry and without the industry that

2523
02:01:42,360 --> 02:01:44,839
Speaker 1: about grizzly bears and I did about Elk. We weren't

2524
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:46,400
Speaker 1: talking about like what else did you see? What bull

2525
02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:48,160
Speaker 1: were you on? We're talking about are there grizzly bears

2526
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:50,680
Speaker 1: in your area? And the other thing about hunters is

2527
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:54,240
Speaker 1: some of them have the John Wayne neath that if

2528
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 1: they've got a three fifty seven magnum or something, they'll

2529
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:00,400
Speaker 1: be stopped in that there. Believe me, you won't be

2530
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:03,640
Speaker 1: stopping there with a pistol. Your arms will be jumping

2531
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 1: like like your heart, it'll be trying to get out

2532
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:10,600
Speaker 1: of your chest. And unless you've had combat training, Uh,

2533
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to find yourself with something like

2534
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:15,360
Speaker 1: a short barrel shotgun or a pistol, go to a

2535
02:02:15,400 --> 02:02:17,680
Speaker 1: garbage don't get one of your friends to roll a truck.

2536
02:02:18,200 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: Tire down at you from the hill and you stop

2537
02:02:21,360 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 1: that truck dire tire with a with a pistol or

2538
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:28,720
Speaker 1: a shotgun. And if you can stand there and stop

2539
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 1: that remaining cool, you'd be okay with killing it there.

2540
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:37,320
Speaker 1: But who wants to kill of there? You spray? I'm

2541
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm a believer. I think the studies of it are

2542
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 1: are sufficient. Uh. People always say, well, it doesn't work

2543
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:48,760
Speaker 1: every time. Well, of course it doesn't work every time. Uh,

2544
02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:53,440
Speaker 1: skunks developed pretty good bear spray and they still get eaten.

2545
02:02:53,960 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 1: So you know, Uh, but it's it'll blind and make

2546
02:02:59,760 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 1: the air's choke and filler lungs. And people say, oh,

2547
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:06,320
Speaker 1: well the window blow back. No it won't. It's got

2548
02:03:06,360 --> 02:03:09,800
Speaker 1: so much pressure with that gas it'll just go out. Uh.

2549
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:11,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've shown people how to use it lots

2550
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 1: of times. I'm a believer. But you know, the unknown

2551
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 1: aspect of it is that when you stand there with

2552
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:23,600
Speaker 1: your weapon there spray, your behavior is tells that there

2553
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 1: that you're not a chicken. If you don't have a

2554
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:30,520
Speaker 1: bear spray, your instinct is to run, which I did,

2555
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:34,120
Speaker 1: because you have to get some distance. Maybe you can collapse,

2556
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 1: maybe you can wet your pants. But uh, if you're

2557
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:42,840
Speaker 1: holding their spray, you're standing facing the bear, and of

2558
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:46,200
Speaker 1: course you have to believe it's gonna work, which it does.

2559
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:49,360
Speaker 1: Then the bear says, hell, no, I was just wanted

2560
02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:52,280
Speaker 1: to chase you, but I don't want to fight you.

2561
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:54,400
Speaker 1: You and what choice you like? You said, what choices?

2562
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,400
Speaker 1: When you're facing down a bear like that, There's a

2563
02:03:56,440 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 1: lot of things you can say you would do, but

2564
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:01,120
Speaker 1: until you've been in that situation, I'm I would like

2565
02:04:01,160 --> 02:04:03,240
Speaker 1: to say. You know, we were talking about this, uh

2566
02:04:03,320 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 1: one of our editors outside early today, when we were

2567
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:08,720
Speaker 1: thinking about you coming in, I was saying, like carrying

2568
02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:11,800
Speaker 1: a pistol, we all think, oh, we'll do it. It's

2569
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 1: just what I'd like to have both rather than just one.

2570
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking of, and it's something I had never

2571
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:19,800
Speaker 1: really considered, is that I feel safer with a pistol

2572
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:22,440
Speaker 1: in my hand than I do bear spray, just innately, justaure,

2573
02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 1: I feel the pistols more powerful, So I'm probably gonna

2574
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:27,680
Speaker 1: reach that for before I reach for bear spray. But

2575
02:04:28,160 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 1: to your point, and I've I've shot three gun matches

2576
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:34,160
Speaker 1: in different competitions where in practice I can hit you know,

2577
02:04:34,200 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 1: I can hit a pretty I can hit the ten

2578
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:38,040
Speaker 1: ring with the pistol. And then when somebody's behind me

2579
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 1: timing me and their fifteen other people watching, and I've

2580
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:42,560
Speaker 1: got to run up to a thing and shoot there's

2581
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: any pressure applied. I am the most inaccurate person that

2582
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:48,080
Speaker 1: you could ever So to try to even compare to that,

2583
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 1: which is, you know, tangibly comparable to the moment of

2584
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 1: frenzy when there's a bear, you know, coming down, and

2585
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's difficult to do well, you know.

2586
02:04:57,480 --> 02:05:00,120
Speaker 1: I was on the ground with there's a lot and

2587
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:03,680
Speaker 1: and we did some darting for collering for the ladge owner.

2588
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't do any callering myself for my projects, but

2589
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: whenever I was out on the ground, I carried a

2590
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:20,960
Speaker 1: shotgun pump mossburg with you know, slugs and uh deer

2591
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:26,600
Speaker 1: shot buckshot, and I I figured always carried their spray,

2592
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,880
Speaker 1: and their spray was the first reach for me. I'm

2593
02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:31,880
Speaker 1: not a I'm a gun guy, but I'm not a

2594
02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:37,080
Speaker 1: hundred a big game. Uh. I figure that I might

2595
02:05:37,120 --> 02:05:39,400
Speaker 1: have to use the shotgun to shoot him there off

2596
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:42,960
Speaker 1: my student. I want to backups. I want their spray

2597
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 1: and then if the bear's got them down, I can

2598
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:48,400
Speaker 1: walk up and plug them in the head or the

2599
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: neck or the shoulders or do whatever you can. You know,

2600
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: you're running on instinct there. They don't have their shooting

2601
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:00,200
Speaker 1: classes like they have sailboat classes. You know, yes, would

2602
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 1: be difficult. And I know FWP for some time they

2603
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,680
Speaker 1: had a trailer they would pull around that had a

2604
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 1: charging bear saying and they would say that that woman

2605
02:06:08,760 --> 02:06:12,920
Speaker 1: is speaking tonight, yeah, at at the Lendley Center, just

2606
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,320
Speaker 1: before I give the talk. Yeah. So like then they

2607
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:17,680
Speaker 1: would do bear spray training and I don't want to

2608
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:19,240
Speaker 1: get the number one, but it was a very small

2609
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:21,040
Speaker 1: percentage of people that could get the bear spray and

2610
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:24,000
Speaker 1: effectively get it in the air before that bear, that

2611
02:06:24,160 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 1: charging fake bear. We're talking milliseconds they're decides to charge, uh,

2612
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:35,400
Speaker 1: standing facing and hoping to god, uh that it's a

2613
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:38,960
Speaker 1: bluff charge and you can change your underwear later, you know.

2614
02:06:39,240 --> 02:06:40,920
Speaker 1: And I'm I was telling you before. I'm an East

2615
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:43,280
Speaker 1: Coast kid. We just didn't I never had to think

2616
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 1: about this hunting my entire life or even going outside

2617
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:48,320
Speaker 1: for any reason. And now I've got a small son

2618
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:51,880
Speaker 1: three years old. Every basically every time I hunt in

2619
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,040
Speaker 1: the national forest around here, in any public lands there

2620
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 1: are there is the chance, even sometimes it's more remote

2621
02:06:56,760 --> 02:06:59,200
Speaker 1: than others. Other times it's more elevated than others. But

2622
02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:01,360
Speaker 1: they're always is a chance that I'm going to run

2623
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:04,120
Speaker 1: into a grizzly bear. Always, and it's a different feeling.

2624
02:07:04,200 --> 02:07:07,120
Speaker 1: And that's why we love the wilderness. You think that

2625
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:10,040
Speaker 1: they're out of it, it's not the same wilderness exactly,

2626
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:12,960
Speaker 1: you know exactly that we say I always say, like you,

2627
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 1: if you would remove and we've done this as a

2628
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:20,080
Speaker 1: as a nation, like removed the predators, predators from the

2629
02:07:20,200 --> 02:07:22,640
Speaker 1: environment with the elk. The elk aren't elk anymore if

2630
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:25,280
Speaker 1: they're not being preyed upon by these things that have

2631
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:28,320
Speaker 1: have chased them. So their elkness has derived somehow by

2632
02:07:28,360 --> 02:07:33,680
Speaker 1: their instincts that are elevated by evolved the wolves, cougars, whatever.

2633
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:35,840
Speaker 1: So you know, the way we think of elk is

2634
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:38,480
Speaker 1: is very much informed by the you know, our prong

2635
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:43,040
Speaker 1: horn is faster than any carnivore. It evolved with a

2636
02:07:43,320 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 1: with a North American cheetah, which was a lion that

2637
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:50,400
Speaker 1: they found in sinkholes and uh and why only, which

2638
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:54,320
Speaker 1: is really interesting there are tho pronghorn at one time,

2639
02:07:54,360 --> 02:07:57,400
Speaker 1: they're six. I forget which some double horned and all

2640
02:07:57,440 --> 02:07:59,600
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But there's only one left. But

2641
02:08:00,240 --> 02:08:04,480
Speaker 1: that baby can run, you know, nothing can catch that an.

2642
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:07,400
Speaker 1: Isn't it really interesting? So I studied them for two years. Yeah,

2643
02:08:07,480 --> 02:08:12,640
Speaker 1: it was wonderful. And Yellowstone mostly sent marketing. It was

2644
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 1: sort of technical stuff, but I just loved going out

2645
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:20,360
Speaker 1: watching pronghorn behavior. Yeah, they're interesting. Well, one thing like

2646
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:23,480
Speaker 1: during you know, during the attack that you already mentioned,

2647
02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:26,400
Speaker 1: but I wanted to return to um in the hours

2648
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:29,280
Speaker 1: after the attack, when when things are pretty dire, you

2649
02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:33,520
Speaker 1: wrote that you said that you asked that the bear

2650
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:37,840
Speaker 1: not be destroyed. That's the quote. One of the range

2651
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:41,240
Speaker 1: of how many bears they had killed, and that I could.

2652
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: I can remember that they sort of anger welling up

2653
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:48,320
Speaker 1: and he's saying, please don't do that, don't track this

2654
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:53,440
Speaker 1: there they knew it went downhill. Bloody footprints our downhill.

2655
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:56,080
Speaker 1: I never saw the dave that. Of course, I didn't

2656
02:08:56,080 --> 02:09:00,280
Speaker 1: see anything after that, but I have color slides there

2657
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:04,320
Speaker 1: rescued because the helicopter pilot grabbed my thirty five million

2658
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:09,040
Speaker 1: camera and took pictures, which is crazy, that is. Yeah. Yeah,

2659
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:11,080
Speaker 1: I think the stories as I was reading, A Love

2660
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: of your rescuers were as interesting as anything the people

2661
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:16,160
Speaker 1: that they were, isn't that. Yeah. Jim Compson did a

2662
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 1: wonderful job describing and I quoted him completely uh in

2663
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 1: the book because he talked about he'd been two tours

2664
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:27,040
Speaker 1: in Vietnam and that day he had more adrenaline pumping

2665
02:09:27,440 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 1: than on any any operation in Vietnam. So uh. And

2666
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:38,120
Speaker 1: he isn't a guy that exaggerates easily. I guess I

2667
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:41,520
Speaker 1: grew up on an older All right, that's it. That's

2668
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:45,800
Speaker 1: all Philip. Another episode in the books, episode we are

2669
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:50,120
Speaker 1: the substitute teacher showing you a movie. No, in all seriousness,

2670
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:52,760
Speaker 1: I am likely again, I'm speaking to you in the

2671
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 1: future tense. I'm speaking to you future Phil m M.

2672
02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that you in the future are very

2673
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:01,360
Speaker 1: happy that I've had my child. I am. And since

2674
02:10:01,400 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 1: i'm future fill I've uploaded my consciousness into the computers

2675
02:10:09,200 --> 02:10:12,880
Speaker 1: down slowing down, Skywalker. So right, you're actually speaking to

2676
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 1: a computer right now, left my body. I can't wait

2677
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:18,240
Speaker 1: till we get an ai Phil, and I don't have

2678
02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:20,400
Speaker 1: to deal with the real Phil because it is getting

2679
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,520
Speaker 1: it's really it's so much nicer. It's really bad. We

2680
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:27,680
Speaker 1: can send you off into space or whatever. Um, I'm

2681
02:10:27,720 --> 02:10:29,800
Speaker 1: assuming that I'm having my child right now, that I'm

2682
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:32,920
Speaker 1: not connected. My plan at this point, even speaking to

2683
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 1: my future self. My plan at this point, it's just

2684
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:41,320
Speaker 1: disconnect from all media, no phone, no internet during the

2685
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: first two weeks of my child life, my my new

2686
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:48,760
Speaker 1: baby's life, in order to connect, disconnect in order to connect. Phil,

2687
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:55,200
Speaker 1: That's like the science bullshit that we were talking about earlier.

2688
02:10:55,880 --> 02:10:59,080
Speaker 1: Connect to disconnect in order to connect. So if you're

2689
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 1: looking for me right now, I'm I'm likely disconnected, and

2690
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm spending time with my family, which I very

2691
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 1: much appreciate. An all serious no, So there's no way

2692
02:11:07,080 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 1: I could do any of that stuff without you guys,

2693
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,520
Speaker 1: without all the great folks here at Meat Eater, with

2694
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 1: all about all the great guests that we've had on

2695
02:11:14,920 --> 02:11:17,240
Speaker 1: this show. That allows us to just run out our

2696
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:21,360
Speaker 1: favorite little clips. So we're gonna gonna close that out

2697
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 1: next week next week. Volume four of the Best ofs

2698
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:30,360
Speaker 1: Right Phil, Volume four, the last one. There are outdoor Legends,

2699
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 1: the legends of the Outdoors, including Colonel Tom Kelly, guys

2700
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,160
Speaker 1: like Jim pos Wits and more So stick around for

2701
02:11:40,240 --> 02:11:44,200
Speaker 1: that next week, the final installment of your favorite best

2702
02:11:44,280 --> 02:11:50,480
Speaker 1: of THC. Bye, because I can't go a week without

2703
02:11:50,600 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 1: doing right. Oh I'm waiting wrong, drinking in heaven. He's

2704
02:12:18,680 --> 02:12:21,840
Speaker 1: a sitting at the box fold stop the throwing fruit,

2705
02:12:22,440 --> 02:12:26,120
Speaker 1: feeling like in all on out barrushhues, all down the

2706
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:47,880
Speaker 1: wh