Speaker 1: M mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. All the smoke.
Speaker 3: Day two man Pump gall of twenty twenty four. Jack
Speaker 3: yesterday was dope. Yeah, he was able to sit down
Speaker 3: with Tim Hardaway, the big old Dominique Wilkins. Then we
Speaker 3: got a chance to go to the to the what
Speaker 3: was shit called the reception where we got the fellowship
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did out there, shine, Yeah, food, grab some
Speaker 4: dinner after the fan heads whatever they call him ships
Speaker 4: some ship was dope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: I ain't never had one of them shits in there either.
Speaker 4: He got more chickens than I did last night.
Speaker 2: They had. I got like four pictures and people taking
Speaker 2: pictures thinking their tongue got him, like.
Speaker 5: The real one over here.
Speaker 2: Now they off him, they off him. We buy them.
Speaker 3: But man, today we get to start day two off
Speaker 3: on the right foot.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I saw I saw broke downstairs in the lobby when
Speaker 3: I went to go get somebody, so I ain't seen
Speaker 3: him in a minute. We chopped it up a little
Speaker 3: bit and I was like, bro, He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: whatever you need. So one of my really it was
Speaker 3: a surprise for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great surprise. Prise. But I really
Speaker 2: love Man, that's my real brother. And to Douce who
Speaker 2: we got today.
Speaker 4: Man, Man, my class made somebody that a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't know. He was one of those guys that
Speaker 4: you know, they always talk about all these basketball players
Speaker 4: that could have went professional two sports where he was
Speaker 4: ahead of the head of this time. He was a
Speaker 4: du All American quarterback, one of the best quarterbacks in
Speaker 4: our class. And I also won the best basketball players
Speaker 4: punk guards in our class, you know, along with Kobe
Speaker 4: Bryan and Mike Bibban, all of us. So uh, he
Speaker 4: was somebody that I grew up with in summertime planning
Speaker 4: the camps with like we made. We basically made a
Speaker 4: name for ourselves together and those camps coming up because
Speaker 4: we neither one of us was really known coming from
Speaker 4: small cities Flint fifteen sixteen, coming from Flint and coming
Speaker 4: from put Out, the Texas, the small cities, so we
Speaker 4: came ain't brothers, and though we're still doing our thing
Speaker 4: right now. So it's blessing to have them on the
Speaker 4: show today, my brother and my team clease.
Speaker 2: Man, welcome.
Speaker 6: That's one of the best I've ever did too, so
Speaker 6: you know, it was genuine.
Speaker 3: Now I want to get to it. Before we get
Speaker 3: to the class of ninety six.
Speaker 5: Before you start, let me say that ship I made it,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, this ship be on this ship,
Speaker 5: I feel like.
Speaker 3: I've made he said.
Speaker 7: The smoke, you know, like you never left? What were
Speaker 7: them AU days?
Speaker 3: Like, I mean obviously raised in here, me and Raven
Speaker 3: rocking together since we were fourteen on the AU Circle. That's
Speaker 3: some of the finest memories of my life. I mean,
Speaker 3: A you kind of set the foundation for everything. So
Speaker 3: what was A you like to me about the first
Speaker 3: time I met And how did y'all start kicking it?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 2: You know? For me?
Speaker 5: Hey, you I love AU from the standpoint You've seen
Speaker 5: other cats that really could hoop, you know, like even
Speaker 5: more Internet. Yeah, seem like because you think of you,
Speaker 5: Michael Jordan, you know what I mean, in your neighborhood.
Speaker 5: So for me to be able to go and see
Speaker 5: other cats like damn, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 5: see cats doing some shit, You're like, whoa, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean?
Speaker 8: This cat's all around that could play, you.
Speaker 2: Know for me.
Speaker 8: So that's that's what AA you really did for me.
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 8: I wasn't on a scene like that, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 5: I just was in Flint, you know, I was at
Speaker 5: the parks, you know what I mean, the open runs,
Speaker 5: somebody backyard. That's just how we was getting down in Flint.
Speaker 5: So I wasn't really on the national scene far as AAU,
Speaker 5: but I played little local tournaments. But main mainly shit
Speaker 5: I was in Flint. We was in Flint getting getting
Speaker 5: after Yeah.
Speaker 4: What do you remember about him when you first met
Speaker 4: him the Nike camps?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Coming to the Nike camps, you know, you got guys
Speaker 4: with all the big names, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: And we knew with tem Clees, but they weren't talking
Speaker 4: about it like that. And at the end of the camp,
Speaker 4: all they talking about is the team Clees and Baron Davis,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And Uh, that's that's the respect we had. You know.
Speaker 4: In my own position, I made a name for myself
Speaker 4: the same time he was making a name for himself,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So that that that's what
Speaker 4: made that's what makes the memories more memorable because it
Speaker 4: was the same time.
Speaker 5: We both were doing it at the same time. And
Speaker 5: think about this, you had to get it from the
Speaker 5: mud had to you know. It wasn't all the highlight
Speaker 5: films and putting all that stuff out. Man, you had
Speaker 5: to go get it.
Speaker 2: You see that, you had to get it.
Speaker 5: Y'all had to go get to it. And they was
Speaker 5: matching us up, They was making us play each other.
Speaker 5: It was that way you had to You wasn't dunking nobody,
Speaker 5: So you had to go see people, you know, So
Speaker 5: that that was the thing that I loved about it
Speaker 5: back in the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, class of ninety six arguably one of the greatest
Speaker 3: classes of all time.
Speaker 2: We talked at length.
Speaker 3: I mean, were good argument rest in Peace, co argument Bibby.
Speaker 3: Who else was in that class? We talked to j
Speaker 3: oh Thomas, Tim Thomas. Yeah, we've got a list of
Speaker 3: ninety six, probably more we're forgetting.
Speaker 2: But what does it mean being in that class?
Speaker 3: And like you said, as you're going on the senior
Speaker 3: kind of seeing all these dudes and the McDonald's back
Speaker 3: in that time was the top of the mountain. So
Speaker 3: what was that McDonald's experience like for you?
Speaker 5: Oh man, it was it was unreal, Like I said,
Speaker 5: because I went to Nike, That's how I made my name.
Speaker 8: But getting that I remember getting a letter in school,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 5: They come to you, they come to school, they give
Speaker 5: you a letter and to let you know you made
Speaker 5: the team, you were selected, you know. I remember getting
Speaker 5: that and then just with all the great players that
Speaker 5: was on that list, man, it was it was that
Speaker 5: shit was crazy, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 5: one of the moments man that I just I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: But going to the you know, the the real ship,
Speaker 5: really the real Hoopers that that week practice, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. And I couldn't like I was a
Speaker 5: shell of myself, to be honest. My back was off,
Speaker 5: fucked up. I wasn't eve supposed to play in that game.
Speaker 5: But back then a car accident, yeah, and visit at Michigan,
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, nobody heard about I didn't know about that
Speaker 5: class playing in the game.
Speaker 2: And we didn't hear nothing about it. We didn't know
Speaker 2: nothing about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, on my recruiting visit at Michigan. We got in
Speaker 5: the car. Actually that Maurice Taylor, Uh yeah, he was driving.
Speaker 5: He had the old Ford Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer, you
Speaker 5: know back then, and uh, it was me and him
Speaker 5: tractor trailer. Lewis Bullock. Yeah, rest please Maude Louis Bullock. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: we all was in the in the car and coming
Speaker 5: back from hanging out on the recruiting visit. Yeah, in
Speaker 5: the car and then rolled over on the highway. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was remember that was like that was a big deal. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the whole everything was in that car. That started. That
Speaker 5: started a lot of like the investigations against Michigan because
Speaker 5: the thing was back then Maurice Taylor called police from
Speaker 5: a cell phone, and back then you ain't have a
Speaker 5: cell phone. He's from the city of Detroit. Then he
Speaker 5: had the Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So that that was the thing. You know that the
Speaker 5: n C double a start well digging into it. Then
Speaker 5: how you got a phone? That cell phone and Eddie Bauer.
Speaker 5: So that's how a lot of that stuff started coming.
Speaker 5: I was the recruit and the visit on the in
Speaker 5: the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So fast forward.
Speaker 3: You end up really hurting yourself but not really knowing it.
Speaker 3: So you try to push through for the McDonald's game.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, Yeah, playing the McDonald's game, and god bless
Speaker 5: went for Warden Man Detroit, that's my dog.
Speaker 8: And he was he was like, let's listen, you know,
Speaker 8: and practice like let's get it.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, dog, I can't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I'm like I can't. I'm like, yep. It was my
Speaker 5: back and I was getting Yeah, I was getting paid
Speaker 5: through the front of my legs. So I thought it
Speaker 5: was like a growing pull or something like that. But
Speaker 5: the problem was by nerves. That's why I was feeling
Speaker 5: in the front. But yeah, I couldn't do nothing. But
Speaker 5: my whole dang was I got to get the Saturday.
Speaker 5: I just want to be on TV, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 8: Back then there was CBS Saturday Morning.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I just want to be on TV. That's it.
Speaker 5: I scored. I ain't even scoring that game, but I
Speaker 5: just ran up. And if you if you go back
Speaker 5: and look at the ship, I couldn't move.
Speaker 2: I was, but I just.
Speaker 5: Wanted to be on TV. Yeah, I wasn't missing that moment.
Speaker 2: What do you remember about Code?
Speaker 5: Different? Different? Like I seen the first hand, Like I'll
Speaker 5: be seeing a lot of these interviews stuff. I got
Speaker 5: a chance to see a first hand. And you gotta
Speaker 5: think we was all Americans, so we were some bad boys.
Speaker 5: He was, Yeah, he was different, and how he approached.
Speaker 5: It was different, was totally he was a pro back then.
Speaker 5: He was locked in like we was. We was hooping
Speaker 5: and we had fun and all that. But you know
Speaker 5: we a venture off and getting ship sometimes too. Yeah,
Speaker 5: not him. It was all hoop and he was he
Speaker 5: he was so locked in that dude was different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, teenager man, cold blooded.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he's talking about you know, he talking about well,
Speaker 4: Winple was talking about, you know, let's let's practice hard,
Speaker 4: like we had that same situation. We're supposed to be
Speaker 4: just walking through and Kobe caught the bomb ripping.
Speaker 9: Swung his middle hard boom like, no, let's pregnice, let's
Speaker 9: practice it supposed to be a walk through.
Speaker 4: He didn't give an he didn't give a goddamn Nigga's time.
Speaker 2: To go.
Speaker 3: Flint, Michigan. A lot of y'all came out of there.
Speaker 3: What's that scene like?
Speaker 2: Now? Man?
Speaker 5: It's uh. If you remember a few years ago we
Speaker 5: had the water incident, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 5: people acting like the water good, it still ain't good.
Speaker 5: They still trying to figure it out and get it together.
Speaker 5: But sh Flint is flint, Flint what it is, man,
Speaker 5: it's it's it's grinding, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 5: get up out of there, you're good.
Speaker 4: But let the crazy part too, because I've been down
Speaker 4: there that don't give back water a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you appreciate that too.
Speaker 4: That soon as you get in Flint, the first thing
Speaker 4: you say is a big water a big water tower.
Speaker 5: That's the first thing you see.
Speaker 2: When you get to that. That where Jackie Moon had
Speaker 2: his team out.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah Flint.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Man, it's the same old ship.
Speaker 5: It's grindy.
Speaker 3: What is it about that that turns out so many
Speaker 3: professional athletes?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: It's grimy, but it's I mean, it produces greatness.
Speaker 8: I think it's like Clarissa Shills from Flint, that's my.
Speaker 2: I just reconnected with her the other day on the show.
Speaker 5: Corissa grew up like boys. Yeah that way yeah around
Speaker 5: your age, younger than me.
Speaker 2: Super cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's real. We used to hoop at Bursting. She
Speaker 5: used to box. They had a ring downstairs and box.
Speaker 5: She used to box down there. But she we used
Speaker 5: to Man, she's a boxer, fight dudes, you know. Growing up.
Speaker 5: But Flint, it's just that's a that's the mentality, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. If you think a lot of
Speaker 5: us was born off our parents worked at general mode,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 8: A real one, A real one, yeah because yeah yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, top authority, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 10: all that.
Speaker 5: But it's like it's a mentality, like it's just how
Speaker 5: you cut, you know what I mean, It's like every
Speaker 5: other hood. But we just we we wired that we're
Speaker 5: so driven, you know, you're so driven to get up
Speaker 5: out of there. And back when I was coming up,
Speaker 5: you know, they they took care of the athletes, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, the cast that was in the streets,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, they kind of tried to
Speaker 5: steer you away from that. That's one thing we got
Speaker 5: to get back now. I think they kind of dragging
Speaker 5: him into the I was coming up. Gee, they had
Speaker 5: a past if you Yeah, they took care of you.
Speaker 5: You were straight, you know what I mean. Now it's
Speaker 5: a little different, But it was just a mentality. Man,
Speaker 5: we we we that's that small city complex that we
Speaker 5: had to prove ourselves everywhere we went.
Speaker 8: And that's what it was. And the shit just got real.
Speaker 5: You know, when he was hooping on the courtse in
Speaker 5: the backyard, wherever it was, it was, it was it
Speaker 5: was really competitive starting at a young age, elementary, you know,
Speaker 5: we had like it was very competitive.
Speaker 2: What cool question about the water?
Speaker 5: Like what why is it so difficult to get The
Speaker 5: issue was all bro man, because they don't care.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's real.
Speaker 8: Yeah they don't care.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of inner city people. They're blacks, whites,
Speaker 5: you know whatever, that they don't care. That's the problem, man.
Speaker 5: So they trying to trying to get it right, but
Speaker 5: that whole infrastructure messed up.
Speaker 2: All for people that don't understand. Let me explain this
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 4: Imagine going to somebody house and they have probably forty
Speaker 4: five palace of water stacked up in the house, and
Speaker 4: you bring walking around giving water and they want that
Speaker 4: water that you're giving because they got to take a bath,
Speaker 4: they got to cook, they got to do everything with
Speaker 4: that water. Because the water that's coming out the boss
Speaker 4: is so poisoned that if you put it on your skin,
Speaker 4: your shit and start peeling.
Speaker 2: That's how bad it is. So just imagine living like.
Speaker 5: Up in the top dogs the powers to be, and
Speaker 5: they knew what they was doing. They just didn't care
Speaker 5: about the people. So that's that's the sad part. But
Speaker 5: Flint resilient, you know what I mean. Everybody stands strong,
Speaker 5: like Clarissa came right up out of that thing. She
Speaker 5: doing her thing, and all the other athletes. Man, I mean,
Speaker 5: if you you look back, I mean Andre Rising. People
Speaker 5: forget how great he was. That's ride On Rise and
Speaker 5: that's big bro. He was cold blooded. Glenn Rice one
Speaker 5: of the best shooters ever played in the league.
Speaker 8: You know, he from Flint. Jeff grere here, oh g
Speaker 8: he played.
Speaker 5: You know, so you got Roy Marble he ended up
Speaker 5: pass away, but we got tons of pros. Mark Ingram
Speaker 5: his daddy was a bad boy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: He won a championship with the eighty five Giants. Then
Speaker 5: little Mark he went to Alabama. But it's just you
Speaker 5: got tons of people, man, Draymond, Draymond sagging off. We're
Speaker 5: right next to each other. You can say that the
Speaker 5: Street j Rich, all them boys in baby Charles Rogers
Speaker 5: he died, but them all all right, Lamar Woody, you
Speaker 5: can go on and on about them boys too, but
Speaker 5: we are. But we were like twenty thirty minutes away
Speaker 5: from each other.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do a sport athlete, quarterback? What was your style like
Speaker 3: you would throw a runner. Both, yeah, both, Yeah. I
Speaker 3: could throw it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, back then we ran a lot of
Speaker 5: options too, but I could throw it. You know, it
Speaker 5: wasn't a typical just run all the time an athlete.
Speaker 5: I can throw it.
Speaker 3: It's something about football though, because I played football too,
Speaker 3: and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: But to think about when you go through a couple
Speaker 8: of times that you go.
Speaker 3: To the stadium, you see eighty five thousand or one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand. I mean, I love basketball, glad I chose basketball,
Speaker 3: but there's not that I get chills thinking about just
Speaker 3: them being in them stadiums and you almost committed to
Speaker 3: actually play high major college football.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my only regretting life that I never got
Speaker 5: a chance to play.
Speaker 2: Football one year. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I and to be honest, I was gonna My
Speaker 5: freshman year was so so it was like ten points
Speaker 5: of five, So it was all right. But you know,
Speaker 5: coming in as a McDonald's, you know, it's a lot
Speaker 5: of hype, but people didn't know I went through the
Speaker 5: back issues and all that stuff. So me and Coachizo
Speaker 5: met with Nick, he was the football coach at Michigan State.
Speaker 5: I was going to play football if I didn't have
Speaker 5: a great sophomore season. I was gonna play football that
Speaker 5: next year. But what happened was I was a big
Speaker 5: team player of the year, I was All American and
Speaker 5: it just took off.
Speaker 2: The exact same thing. You see after my sophomore year.
Speaker 3: My sophomore year, I went out there, Bob Toledo caming
Speaker 3: down that team. I went out there and did springball,
Speaker 3: ran routes for the first time in lest year.
Speaker 2: Was dope. And then they started talking.
Speaker 3: All this change of dorms, not captain, won't start on
Speaker 3: the basketball. I'm just like, God damn, just because I
Speaker 3: want to play a little football. So but that was
Speaker 3: one thing too. I mean, to this day, I'm just like,
Speaker 3: what if I would have just gave it for a
Speaker 3: year and saw what it would have happened, So it
Speaker 3: would have been dope. Draymond told is a great story
Speaker 3: about being recruited by Izzo. Just a straight shooter. What
Speaker 3: was your recruitment process like with Michigan State and who
Speaker 3: were some of the other schools you were considering going to?
Speaker 5: Oh Man back then, I was my top schools was
Speaker 5: like Syracuse, Cincinnati, you have Huggins, he recruited Dogs you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. He went after all the dogs.
Speaker 5: Back then, Georgia Tech, they was pumping out point guards.
Speaker 5: You know, you look at the history of Georgia Tech
Speaker 5: point guards they had. You go back from Mark Price
Speaker 5: to uh a A, Travis Best and Steph k and
Speaker 5: I would have been like right behind him. Who else
Speaker 5: was it? Michigan Uh, Louisville, Florida State was another big one,
Speaker 5: and that was mainly football. Yeah, back then they had
Speaker 5: a run. Uh they was on national TV every week, Yeah,
Speaker 5: every week, and so I was looking at them. But
Speaker 5: being recruited by Izzoe what separated him? Man, he was
Speaker 5: in front every day.
Speaker 8: When I say every day, Man, he recruited.
Speaker 5: Me high because back then they ain't had nothing, you know,
Speaker 5: so Draymond recruiting was a little different.
Speaker 8: You know, he could be a straight shooter with him.
Speaker 8: With me, he was damn they're big.
Speaker 5: And to be honest, you know, because the people don't realize,
Speaker 5: like I took a chance on Michigan State. Michigan State
Speaker 5: was is the prominent program that is they It wasn't
Speaker 5: They ain't had like no top players there. Michigan had
Speaker 5: six or seven McDonald's All American on the roster. Michigan
Speaker 5: State didn't like Coachizo didn't make the tournament before I
Speaker 5: got there. He was in this second year when I committed,
Speaker 5: So Michigan State wasn't what it was.
Speaker 3: And what was it like building that team out though,
Speaker 3: with Charlie and Mo And this is back when you
Speaker 3: were in college for it, you know, at least three
Speaker 3: years sometimes four. Yeah, what was it like kind of
Speaker 3: just going along that path because I say all the
Speaker 3: time like that was some of the best funniest times
Speaker 3: of my life.
Speaker 5: Bro, Yeah, no doubt about it. I would never change
Speaker 5: it for the world. You know. Antonio Smith, people forget
Speaker 5: about him. He was the first one to go Big Tom.
Speaker 5: We played together at Michigan State. He went and then
Speaker 5: Mopete went. I came in, the Charlie came. And the
Speaker 5: reason I loved them my brothers, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And it was special on how we did it because
Speaker 5: we got it from the mud, like we wouldn't knowing
Speaker 5: that Michigan State wasn't shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And we came in there and grinded coach starting with coaches,
Speaker 5: so he was a grinder two. But we just came
Speaker 5: in grinded, you know what I mean. That's that's what
Speaker 5: it was every day. When I got there, I started
Speaker 5: the first thing I said, I got to change the mentality,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I could just tell people
Speaker 5: was used to losing. I wasn't with that, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like even like the open gym games,
Speaker 5: they're played and you lose, and whatn't No, they didn't
Speaker 5: nobody care. So I'm like, let's start keeping tracked. Let's
Speaker 5: start keeping tracks of wins and losses, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. So that started making winning important, you know.
Speaker 5: And then just to just me saying I beat you
Speaker 5: every day. It got real competitive, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And we started changing it slowly but surely, and and
Speaker 5: and then they clicked, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 5: we got something special here. And I told coaches, start
Speaker 5: going to recruit some dogs, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And and even when we like and the schedule, like
Speaker 5: I had a big part of that. People don't know
Speaker 5: that tough schedule they have. Me and coaches talked about
Speaker 5: that years. I went to him saying, start lighting them up.
Speaker 5: Let's clay, let's scratch. Yeah, let's scratch me. You know,
Speaker 5: when you play some of them big schools, some of
Speaker 5: the other Cats deer in the headline.
Speaker 2: They're nervous.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, go line them up first, get him going,
Speaker 5: and now when we play him in the tournament, we're
Speaker 5: gonna be ready to roll. Cats ain't in awe Like
Speaker 5: when we played Vince Carter my sophomore year. Cats there
Speaker 5: they want the actual autograph before the game, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. They wasn't used to none of that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so they was like almost fanboy.
Speaker 5: But after we started lying them, you know, them tough
Speaker 5: games up early in the season, that changed everything.
Speaker 3: But so it seemed like you and Isa were kind
Speaker 3: of growing on the same traject You were going as
Speaker 3: a player and he was kind of growing as a coach.
Speaker 3: I want to forget it and put it, you know,
Speaker 3: getting this team on the map. What is it about
Speaker 3: him that made him different than made y'all clip?
Speaker 8: He a real one, He real like he really rock
Speaker 8: with you.
Speaker 5: Like a lot of these coaches they use you to
Speaker 5: you know, and then they gone to the next one.
Speaker 5: Now he really really really rock with you, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, you know to this day and you
Speaker 5: know he care about you. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 5: that's what separated him from all even being recruited. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, this dude so like he care, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And that's how we connected because
Speaker 5: he was still growing as a coach. So I'm stuff
Speaker 5: he ain't know, but we knew he cared, so we
Speaker 5: didn't run through a brickwater.
Speaker 4: I was working on Fox on showing Fox Matt and
Speaker 4: during the episode, I can't remember, I can't remember who
Speaker 4: it was it was. I think it was Nick Uh,
Speaker 4: Nick right, I was on his show and uh, somebody
Speaker 4: Chris Carter.
Speaker 2: They're real cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And during the episode, he said, I got
Speaker 4: a message from you from coach is Me talking about
Speaker 4: how much he loved my takes. Uh, he hoped I
Speaker 4: can see you to get more work because he liked me,
Speaker 4: liked me being a straight shooter. That made me and
Speaker 4: I'm like them. I ain't never met coaches all my life,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I just wanted to
Speaker 4: know that that's the type of person he is. I've
Speaker 4: never met him in my life, but he's sent a
Speaker 4: message through Chris Carter to tell me on National TV
Speaker 4: that he loved what I'm doing y'all his.
Speaker 3: Guys, yea, yeah, I've seen him at a piece gym,
Speaker 3: so you know, I spoke to him for a second.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, y'all lost in North Carolina
Speaker 4: bench quartering.
Speaker 2: How was that? Just losing to in the sweet sixteen?
Speaker 5: It was It was a good experience, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. They was out called they I thought they
Speaker 5: was going the pros they had on that team. Man,
Speaker 5: you had when your mom was a pro. Yeah, jumping
Speaker 5: people don't know this rock when of the best.
Speaker 4: Jamison once again belongs in the Hall of Fame twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: twenty thousand points to twenty thousand rebounds.
Speaker 2: I think, so he belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: It was the big they.
Speaker 5: Had, the big African uh and John Yeah mc targe
Speaker 5: was it mc tar Yeah, he was at Michigan then
Speaker 5: transferred there. Yeah, career to not be getting Yeah, Coda Winley.
Speaker 5: It was called that's ninety six.
Speaker 2: He looked that. Tell you our class is ridiculous though.
Speaker 5: But not these.
Speaker 8: But that was a hell of experience, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 5: Get there and see it, and I remember we lost,
Speaker 5: and I was like kind of frustrated and uh, coaches,
Speaker 5: I'll never forget this. You came in the locker room like.
Speaker 8: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, you know, we ain't sure we should
Speaker 5: have played better, blah blah blah.
Speaker 8: And he was like, you, how can.
Speaker 5: You get mad at some of them players when you
Speaker 5: walk by their door room the whole summer before that
Speaker 5: working on your game and take nobody with you. We
Speaker 5: had that conversation one time. It was older than that.
Speaker 5: It was up after that. It was a nine catch
Speaker 5: in the gym and not just me. Now I'm grabbing
Speaker 5: everybody calling everybody beat me at the gym. So that
Speaker 5: we learned a lot from that, because see, sometime you
Speaker 5: think you you superman, but when you go up against
Speaker 5: a team like that, they was double on me, tripple
Speaker 5: with me, taking the ball out of my hand, and
Speaker 5: so that made me grow so much. It's like, oh, no,
Speaker 5: you can't be no real teams by yourself. Get somebody
Speaker 5: else you come to the table, you know. And that
Speaker 5: so we we grew from.
Speaker 4: That little buck kicking yeah ninety nine, losing the Duke
Speaker 4: Brand Trading Langdon.
Speaker 5: Team I thought was gonna win it all. I thought
Speaker 5: the Duke was the best team made back to the
Speaker 5: final FLI though they was Yeah, so so yeah, we
Speaker 5: grew from that, got to the final four that following year.
Speaker 5: That's something I pride myself. Yeah, my team's got better.
Speaker 5: That's a big adjustment. Yeah, big adjustment.
Speaker 8: Better every year adjustment myself on that.
Speaker 5: But we playing they were so man, It's like you
Speaker 5: scouting was like damn. They were so good. William Aby
Speaker 5: Lottery pretty much, Corey mcghetty, Shane Battier, Eldon Brand like
Speaker 5: Trading Langey. They had a squad. I don't know how
Speaker 5: they didn't win it. I know, Ripping them got down
Speaker 5: on them that next game.
Speaker 2: Ripping them had some pros too, they did.
Speaker 1: And some dog and some dog yeah yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: boy was on there was on he was on there gang.
Speaker 2: He had a gang and and and a wet curl.
Speaker 2: Did you make rookie game?
Speaker 5: Ye played? The rookie game?
Speaker 2: Was I remember?
Speaker 5: How was it?
Speaker 2: Steve francecon Baron Dave was.
Speaker 5: Doing like that, yeah, both, you know, throwing it around him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was a bad game for him because
Speaker 4: he had because Steve Frants.
Speaker 5: Came out, Baron Davis came in like it was a
Speaker 5: bad game. That was tough, but he was it was
Speaker 5: specifically bad for him bringing that game. That ship was funny, man,
Speaker 5: because I think back I there, that was still buzz
Speaker 5: from the night before, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 5: went crazy. We had the whole floor, We talked.
Speaker 3: About the story, the open door party, the open door floor.
Speaker 5: We was doing it. And then we had money money.
Speaker 8: That was about twenty thousand. Yeah, we was acting up
Speaker 8: nose right across the street.
Speaker 5: I couldn't walk.
Speaker 2: Across the street. We learned no ship, no ship.
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna lie go in there and wash my
Speaker 5: face a half time, like to try to come back.
Speaker 4: Like we graduated high school same yeah, Niga end up
Speaker 4: in the rookie Game same year.
Speaker 5: That was fastic. That was that was I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4: Man, didn't blessed for Yeah, for sure, two thousand, y'all
Speaker 4: beat Mike Miller and Donna's am.
Speaker 2: I mean they was they was on one that floor.
Speaker 3: I think they went back to back after that, right yeah,
Speaker 3: after that, Yeah.
Speaker 8: It was a couple of years, was it for them?
Speaker 3: Came Mike Miller got one for sure though, Yeah, mc
Speaker 3: miller got him one. Yeah, So y'all, I'm talking to
Speaker 3: you right. It was Horford and uh yes he did Miller.
Speaker 2: Win a championship.
Speaker 6: No, was in the same draft, but Mike, he was dog.
Speaker 6: That was hard for your Kams and Brewer and Brewer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that start the team was went went crazy.
Speaker 2: They were nice. Used to make that that was called.
Speaker 2: It was like they had.
Speaker 5: I was just they just had they had Mike Miller.
Speaker 5: You Dona's has Matt Bonner was on that team. Donee hard?
Speaker 2: You did want a collage championship. You didn't win a
Speaker 2: college championship, Bro.
Speaker 5: He didn't know you di didn't. He always put me
Speaker 5: in the head like every time I see he had twenty
Speaker 5: eight on us though he was killing us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Harvey was a fucking animal dog he was.
Speaker 5: He was a first niggayah rebounding energy.
Speaker 6: Today, first rolls, Joe Willis type.
Speaker 2: He was first Joe type.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So they had a squadty too.
Speaker 3: But we what that feel like, though, I mean, this
Speaker 3: is you finally got it. Like you said, every year
Speaker 3: y'all got better and you reached the pinnacle your last year.
Speaker 5: Ah. Man, I'll take you right before the game, man,
Speaker 5: I was tripping like it's on it's own and your
Speaker 5: senior year, my senior year, yup.
Speaker 8: And the toughest thing about that National Championship game is.
Speaker 5: It's so late. So you waiting around like, yeah, you
Speaker 5: want to play, like and you the game.
Speaker 8: At like nine o'clock and you're like, damn, I just
Speaker 8: want to.
Speaker 5: Get out here. But like playing in that game, Florida
Speaker 5: was good, but they was They was younger.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: We had we just battle test and we had been there.
Speaker 5: We were so locked in. We wasn't losing. We was
Speaker 5: not losing to them, you know, we were so dial
Speaker 5: Then the game plan was right, everything was was on point.
Speaker 5: Tom Cream was our assistant, so he always had us
Speaker 5: on point where everybody Scott was unreal. So we was
Speaker 5: always prepared, but were so locked in. And then at
Speaker 5: that point, I mean, at that point it was like shit,
Speaker 5: let's get it, you know what I mean. It's it's
Speaker 5: it's time to hoop, you know what I mean? That
Speaker 5: lay it all on the line, and we knew they
Speaker 5: was talented, but like I said, we looked at them.
Speaker 5: People didn't think we could run with them, and that's
Speaker 5: how we wanted to play. People ain't knowing the Big ten.
Speaker 5: They just slowed us down. They were sending two three
Speaker 5: people back. You know, they wasn't sending nobody to the boards.
Speaker 5: So they were trying to keep us in the half court.
Speaker 5: And they were saying, well, Florida's gonna press and ship
Speaker 5: as a point guard. You take that personal, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, press press, I got that, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 8: I ain't worried about that. So playing them, that was
Speaker 8: our style.
Speaker 5: We wanted to get up and down and with more
Speaker 5: Pete you know, Charlie Bell, the athletes we had, We
Speaker 5: had Mike Chappelle that transferred though from.
Speaker 8: Duke Ja Rich was a baby.
Speaker 5: That's my baby. That's a little bro. We had them
Speaker 5: guns on them wings. And for me, I was just picked,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. That was easy money for me.
Speaker 5: But but that was the hell of a feeling.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: I never forget watching that that tying roll off that clock,
Speaker 5: and it's like, damn, you know I did it, you know,
Speaker 5: because I grew up watching the Final Fours every year,
Speaker 5: watching you know, one shining moment and you dream about
Speaker 5: that moment, man, and that I was tripping on.
Speaker 9: Kind of like the football shit because in the play
Speaker 9: in front of eighty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, different triple rays.
Speaker 5: You at the don't yeah.
Speaker 3: Watching everybody's watching flor even when you're watching it on TV.
Speaker 2: You hit the rims. Yeah, they got the mics up
Speaker 2: on the rim.
Speaker 5: That that ship changed my life even to this day. Man,
Speaker 5: there's people that can't tell you what NBA team I
Speaker 5: play for. And I'm okay with that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. I ain't got the problem with that. That
Speaker 5: that changed my life that I'm still going out. Man,
Speaker 5: I'm that's it'll be our twenty fifth year reunion coming
Speaker 5: up this year, and I'm still out. People like Michigan State,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, They just that that changed
Speaker 5: my life and the way we I forgot. You know,
Speaker 5: I had the injury in it, so that helped to
Speaker 5: you know, coming back injury, coming back from that. But
Speaker 5: you know, at that point, I wasn't tripping about that ship.
Speaker 5: We got to win, you know, let's lock in, let's
Speaker 5: get to it. So that that changed my life. That
Speaker 5: was a magical moment. That's something I wish everybody just
Speaker 5: playing in the Final four or winning, and I wish everybody.
Speaker 2: That, right, I know, I know you and and let
Speaker 2: me get this.
Speaker 4: I know you and I know Magic, and you know
Speaker 4: people can put their own interpretations on stuff. Explain this
Speaker 4: picture to me, though, Spring the picture to me, it
Speaker 4: looks crazy, looks crazy, It looks crazy.
Speaker 2: It looks crazy, it looks crazy.
Speaker 5: You want to tell you, I'm saying it looks crazy.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: That's why. That's why I live with I know you
Speaker 5: and I know magic.
Speaker 2: My boy, this looks crazy.
Speaker 8: You know what that.
Speaker 5: Was crazy? It looks crazy, but I know I know
Speaker 5: what it is. We know about ship right there. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that's that guy. That's that dude.
Speaker 8: That's that dude telling me you him, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, sir, you did sir, dude.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody did this as I done it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, sir, yes, yeah, he can't. Nobody else make him
Speaker 5: feel better in that moment. But yeah, that's it. And
Speaker 5: he told me in that picture, you don't even realize
Speaker 5: what you just did. He said you, he said it's
Speaker 5: gonna get better the older you get.
Speaker 8: It's gonna get better every year. And that was and
Speaker 8: he ain't lying.
Speaker 5: Every time I watch it Definal Fours or I still
Speaker 5: get chill ups because they come back to me.
Speaker 8: But he was telling me like, yeah, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. And you you will see
Speaker 5: every year as you get older, you're gonna appreciate this
Speaker 5: more and more.
Speaker 2: Did you win state championships?
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Jack town winner.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's what I do. Yeah, football, but basketball would
Speaker 5: won the state championship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 5: I was almost with Sacramento.
Speaker 2: Get there, go get okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I pride myself on winning.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, got that right.
Speaker 4: What was your introduction to the NBA, like in the
Speaker 4: two thousands, have to buy the Pistons ended up with
Speaker 4: the Kings. Yeah, controversial loss in the West Coast. To
Speaker 4: talk about all that controversial when you cheated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to know what it's like to get
Speaker 3: I'm just I want to know what it's like to
Speaker 3: get drafted.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much your hometown team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not that was that was that was cool? Yeah,
Speaker 5: to get drafted by the Pistons. You know, I'm a
Speaker 5: bad boy thing. Grew up and Myron you know, Isaiah
Speaker 5: Thomas and the bad Boys and all them. I was
Speaker 5: lucky to grew up where I grew up at to
Speaker 5: watch the Fab five, you know, see them, and to
Speaker 5: see Isaiah Thomas, and I just thought like, damn, that's
Speaker 5: just how you play basket.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that is how you do it. So I was blessed.
Speaker 5: And then to get drafted by the Pistons was it
Speaker 5: was crazy, you know what I mean, that's a that's
Speaker 5: a dream come true to get drafted in the league regardless,
Speaker 5: but Pistons my hometown team. That was That was that
Speaker 5: was that was crazy. I don't even got the words
Speaker 5: to explain on what that was.
Speaker 4: Draft party was like, it was crazy, you know, I
Speaker 4: know Mo mo p had a draft party together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the round favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, let's as being won our.
Speaker 5: Favorite human beings. That's my baby. Yeah yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 5: had a draft party together. And see mo p P
Speaker 5: had a lot of girls too, so we brought him.
Speaker 5: Yeah did you know he was but no, we had it.
Speaker 2: We had it.
Speaker 5: We had a good time. Flint showed up, man, Flint,
Speaker 5: Flint rock with us, you know what I mean. We
Speaker 5: kept a one hundred you know what I mean. We
Speaker 5: we Flint to the course. So they always showed up
Speaker 5: and supported us. So that was that was that was
Speaker 5: big time. Yeah, that was something special. And and and
Speaker 5: getting there and playing my rookie year. That was That
Speaker 5: was That was cool too.
Speaker 3: Who was on the team at that time.
Speaker 5: Stack Stacked to the raft, Stacked to the rag, bad boy.
Speaker 5: Stack led the league and scoring that year. Yeah, U G.
Speaker 5: Hill had just up.
Speaker 8: I tell him all the time, I G.
Speaker 5: Hill, you stay, I'm I'm in the league for a
Speaker 5: long time. I got stack House right here here once. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm in the league. I'm topped in the citison of
Speaker 5: the league. If I'm you know the way I played,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, my style I was. But
Speaker 5: he had just left, and Stack was the man we had.
Speaker 5: Mike Curry was O O G. Yeah, O G. Mike Curry.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Chucky Atkins, that's my dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Jerome Williams was on that team.
Speaker 8: But yeah, Dana Burrows old school, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We didn't have a good year at all. But like
Speaker 5: you said, I think earlier. You know, I got to
Speaker 5: end up getting traded that summer, and that was eye
Speaker 5: opening because I learned it's a business real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and Joe Dumars I thought, was my man, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, But it's business, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: You think when it's all the way to Sacramento too.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that.
Speaker 5: Was and it ain't really fit my style, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 8: I'm like, damn man, you send me to sack. That
Speaker 8: ain't my style.
Speaker 5: They already had just traded for Mike and Bobby Jackson,
Speaker 5: so they had the pgs on point to beyond.
Speaker 3: They was already locked in the bigs with the playmakers
Speaker 3: on that team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And one thing I do respect about Sacramento.
Speaker 5: I always remember their front office was they was honest.
Speaker 5: You know, they was like, hey, we got Mike Bibby,
Speaker 5: we got Bobby. We love the way they play. They
Speaker 5: fits our style better. Uh, We're gonna go with them.
Speaker 5: You know, you come in compete every day and we'll
Speaker 5: see what happens. But they was real, so at least
Speaker 5: I knew my role. So what I did was my
Speaker 5: whole folkus. Okay, well, how do I impact this team?
Speaker 5: How do I ain't gonna come in here and just
Speaker 5: do nothing. I gotta have impact and beyondest asks, Web asked,
Speaker 5: Mike asked him. I was one of the leaders on
Speaker 5: the team. And that's odd because I didn't even really
Speaker 5: play that much, you know what I mean? But yeah,
Speaker 5: I just personality yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Like
Speaker 5: Matt Barnes, like and Jackson. You can have like your
Speaker 5: home players.
Speaker 3: But because you leave by example, you just play hard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was real.
Speaker 5: We competed the.
Speaker 2: Second team used to get that ass though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to because we wanted to play.
Speaker 2: So when was that? So that was that young Paysia
Speaker 2: young Hto.
Speaker 5: Was starting.
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, Bobby yeah.
Speaker 5: Second, we used to be a Scott Pollard yeah, Scotty p. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we used to be added.
Speaker 2: So that Laker team.
Speaker 3: Uh So I don't mean to make it about me,
Speaker 3: but I'm a UC at the time, so I'm fighting
Speaker 3: for I'm obviously he grew up a huge Laker fan,
Speaker 3: but obviously be in a sack. I grew on that team,
Speaker 3: and I used to play with y'all in the summertime
Speaker 3: with Webb and all them dudes and workout. So I'm
Speaker 3: over here battling Laker fans and wanting the Kings to win.
Speaker 3: But and then we got a member of the Lakers,
Speaker 3: one of the Lakers, he was on the team at
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 2: Someone to hold the computer back there? What was that?
Speaker 3: What was that playoff series in particularly that battle with them?
Speaker 3: Like from Kobe getting sick, to the referees, to a
Speaker 3: lot of shit going on, and and the Kings all
Speaker 3: bullshit disciples. Probably the best team in the league that year,
Speaker 3: with all due respect, and he back that time, my man,
Speaker 3: let it go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But you know who was referee in game six, Scot
Speaker 3: the famous Yeah he was Donah wow, he was refe
Speaker 3: game six.
Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about.
Speaker 5: The series was when they started really investigating him.
Speaker 3: What would it look like for a Sacramento Kings team
Speaker 3: or the Lakers to win the championship? Yeah, it's always
Speaker 3: it's always the business.
Speaker 5: It's always a business market.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about that was what was that? What
Speaker 2: was that series? Like?
Speaker 5: Man, it was that was the whole season was crazy
Speaker 5: because it was if you remember, that's when Doug Christy
Speaker 5: and Rick five got into a fight in the preseason, preseason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was in pres a real game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a preseason.
Speaker 6: Guy, the s Yeah, yeah, that had to in some
Speaker 6: beef before the game though.
Speaker 5: It was before it was just the years of playing
Speaker 5: each other. Yeah, yeah, light skin ship, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Douglas with the ship was with it.
Speaker 3: But the cool ass dudes though I.
Speaker 5: Don't like super good, super good dude. But yeah, they
Speaker 5: were they it got real. So it started I think
Speaker 5: even the year before that. But man, it was it
Speaker 5: was on site. Whenever we seen them. It was I
Speaker 5: remember Mike uh Bibby Hell one time we was going
Speaker 5: to the to the bus and he was kind of
Speaker 5: hanging out in the arena before he went to the bus.
Speaker 8: He was like, they out there like oh, because you know,
Speaker 8: I was with it, you know what I mean, I was,
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 5: They dont get down.
Speaker 8: So Mike like they out there, I'm like, it's like
Speaker 8: shack boys.
Speaker 5: They waved by the bus. That's wrong, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Like whatever, go down, go down with you
Speaker 5: shouldn't get on this bus. So but it was like that,
Speaker 5: you know, it was major. You know, they was calling
Speaker 5: us the queens. They had little ship, but they were
Speaker 5: scared of us. I don't care what they said. They
Speaker 5: know because the way we played it was, I mean,
Speaker 5: you got to go to state now. We was kind
Speaker 5: of like that back, you know, our style of playing ball.
Speaker 5: Bigger t Well was so good. He made everybody around.
Speaker 3: Talk about how good because I mean, obviously the homie
Speaker 3: friend of the program. We're doing some work with him,
Speaker 3: but I don't think he gets the love.
Speaker 2: Before Webb's knee injury.
Speaker 5: Cold Well was so good. He made everybody around him better.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about passing and he posted hit, make plays
Speaker 5: off the bounce. Well was so good, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean? Yeah, yeah, all day.
Speaker 4: He definitely one of the best passing big man easy easy.
Speaker 5: He made us out of all them great players on
Speaker 5: that team, Man Web made everybody better.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 5: He was the dude. And that's why our team was
Speaker 5: so close because Well was. He was the man. He's
Speaker 5: so cool. He took care of everybody, made sure everybody
Speaker 5: was was in you know. But Well was so good.
Speaker 5: And then you have Lottie Body, O G. Doug Christy,
Speaker 5: Bobby Mike, everybody on that team.
Speaker 2: Dog was so.
Speaker 5: Good and really good at what they did. But playing
Speaker 5: the Lakers, you're talking about dog fights, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. Every possession counted, every possession we had them, Man,
Speaker 5: we had them. I ain't want them just trying to
Speaker 5: blame the rest. But we we got screwed. We did, man,
Speaker 5: we we we got screwed.
Speaker 2: Number eight wasn't taken off on y'all.
Speaker 8: He was he.
Speaker 5: Was Yeah, him and and to see and Doug Christy
Speaker 5: had d yeah, yeah, defense, But.
Speaker 8: Kobe was different and Doug made earned everything he.
Speaker 9: Got defense because he had the security. Bro, he was
Speaker 9: up there studying. Yeahs, Like, bro, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 4: Because you know, because you know if Doug's one of
Speaker 4: the guys he closed.
Speaker 2: Up here when he coming here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was one of the first dues. Was showing
Speaker 5: me how he timed dribbles, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: because I'm like, damn, man, he's taking the ball from
Speaker 5: these cats that that could play. Like, man, how is
Speaker 5: you taking the ball from these dudes who really can play?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: And uh, he was timing they dribbles. But like them
Speaker 5: battles was crazy. But our team, I'm stand on that
Speaker 5: we was the best team.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah we got ribbed.
Speaker 5: I'm a stand on that people can have their opinion
Speaker 5: whatever that I feel like we got robbed. He was
Speaker 5: the best team. Man.
Speaker 2: What are your memories from Lebron's rookie year?
Speaker 5: Different? Like I gave a nickname Heaven Sent, Like God said,
Speaker 5: you you know what I mean?
Speaker 8: You don't get that good?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Early right out the gate a team coming out
Speaker 5: of high school. I ain't nobody thinking. I was like, nah, man,
Speaker 5: he can't be that good. He's gonna be good in
Speaker 5: the league. But I ship, man, I'm in practice this boy.
Speaker 5: I'm like, whoa. He was the real deal and I'm
Speaker 5: talking as a baby. He was.
Speaker 8: He knew it, he knew he had a great feel
Speaker 8: for it.
Speaker 5: Athletic get where he wanted to get, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. He he was different. That's why I used
Speaker 5: to call it heaven sent. Like God just said, you
Speaker 5: though the deal.
Speaker 9: Athletically sixty and changed. Yeah, the first time I ever
Speaker 9: got come. Yeah, I was behind.
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.
Speaker 9: I was like, he's a kid to sixty the whole ship.
Speaker 9: That's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 2: Like running like a deer too.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like you this is a king thing.
Speaker 5: Now I wash it too, Like he's gonna be good. Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I started, the pressure.
Speaker 10: Was like yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I say it's heaven sent, like said, man, he got
Speaker 5: to still he was playing. I think it's Dallas. Michael
Speaker 5: Finley tried to chase him down, like he looked back
Speaker 5: and like he was at like the topic. He just
Speaker 5: one step took off boom. I was like, he just
Speaker 5: run the other way like he was having said. Except
Speaker 5: that's what it is right there, God said you you can't.
Speaker 5: You can't practice and get that good.
Speaker 2: Yeah you got to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah you can't. You can't do it, Lebron. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm blessed, you know, to be able to say I
Speaker 5: played with him. You know, that's when when I'm speaking
Speaker 5: to people and doing nothing, I know, I throw that name.
Speaker 3: Out, play with Yeah, post basketball business.
Speaker 5: If you're trying to win, you're trying to win. Tell
Speaker 5: the motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, so you do some work with Matt and
Speaker 3: his group, But what what is what is business of
Speaker 3: basketball mean to you now that you're done? And what
Speaker 3: if you don't mind sharing doing some of the stuff
Speaker 3: you're doing?
Speaker 5: Man, you know what, I'm blessed. I'm blessed. Man. You
Speaker 5: know I've been able to do broadcasts and got the
Speaker 5: music a little bit. I did some things there. But man,
Speaker 5: my real blessing is now, like man, this he's a
Speaker 5: real one. He is a real one. Like if you
Speaker 5: a player in the NBA, you want to get to
Speaker 5: the Phoenix Sun the time. Yes, that's my little brother. Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: he was in our championship team. That's my little brother man,
Speaker 5: and he had always been talking to me about getting
Speaker 5: in the mortgage industry and doing stuff. And I'm like, Morgans,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't even seem fun. But he so,
Speaker 5: he's such a visionary man. He had the vision and
Speaker 5: he taught me. What he started was a leadership development
Speaker 5: team at his company u WL. We didn' number one
Speaker 5: overall it in America, so we win it, winning again.
Speaker 5: But his vision was like, I want you to come
Speaker 5: to my company and help lead my leaders. I want
Speaker 5: you to show our leaders how to get the best
Speaker 5: out of other people. So that's what I do, you know,
Speaker 5: in the mortgage industry. But he's a visionary man. He's
Speaker 5: such a real one. He came and got me, man,
Speaker 5: when a lot of people you know, scattered, and he
Speaker 5: he came like, let's roll. I got a good thing going.
Speaker 5: I want you a part of it. Let's go win
Speaker 5: another championship.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: So here, yeah, a real one. So I'm working in
Speaker 5: the mortgage entustry now and we're killing it. We're killing
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: We got a good thing going. I'm talking about from
Speaker 5: Matt to all of our senior executives, to all of
Speaker 5: our team members.
Speaker 8: It's like we got over eight thousand people at.
Speaker 5: Our company and we family. It's like everybody like we
Speaker 5: we do it like the hoop. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: Like this your brother, this is your sister, Like we
Speaker 5: because of you. Yeah, that's how we're doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the culture that we got there.
Speaker 3: But to think about that, I mean, obviously to be
Speaker 3: a great college athlete, win a championship, to make the NBA,
Speaker 3: and then post career to pay to be you, like
Speaker 3: I want you to rub off on my multi possibly
Speaker 3: billion dollar company.
Speaker 2: Like what does that feel like?
Speaker 5: Man? It's a great feeling, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it's it's you know, how to win that life?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to win that you're trying to win,
Speaker 5: but your mind right, keep your grind time, you know,
Speaker 5: that's how we get into it. I'm blessed to be
Speaker 5: able to do the same thing I I'm just doing
Speaker 5: leader up of America now, being the leader. That's what
Speaker 5: he brought me in and it's all It start with
Speaker 5: him though, because he's so humble. He set the stage
Speaker 5: because he's such a humble dude and a hard working guy,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And everybody else in our
Speaker 5: company that we all follow that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: He's such a he's such.
Speaker 5: A real one man, and everybody loved him like we
Speaker 5: all run through a brick wallfort like I said, with
Speaker 5: the coaches or effect, like you know, he cared about you.
Speaker 8: That's how all eight thousand our employees feel like.
Speaker 5: There he there in the building, sitting at lunch with
Speaker 5: people know every day and the everybody name in the building.
Speaker 8: He's like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So he that that environment that we got there is
Speaker 5: something that we took from sports, you know what I
Speaker 5: mean in Michigan State, and now we got to building
Speaker 5: over eight thousand people and everybody, everybody rock with you.
Speaker 5: I always tell people, you know what I mean. At
Speaker 5: Michigan State, he I mean it was pros. You had myself,
Speaker 5: Charlie Bell, mo p J. Rich, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So Matt was undersized. He could at a mid major,
Speaker 5: he would have been he would have played. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: he just a little undersized. But mac got gain.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Owners can't no owner, No, they ain't even coastal.
Speaker 8: Yeah, none of them.
Speaker 5: But Matt, Yeah, no man can play.
Speaker 9: He got gag.
Speaker 3: Listen man, we appreciate your time. Moving on to quick hitters.
Speaker 4: The first thing to come to mind, let us know
Speaker 4: that fill in the blank, Mateen Cleves wouldn't be here without.
Speaker 5: Great parents. I say, great man, Yeah, they my mother
Speaker 5: and daddy instilled the self confidence in me a dog. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I say, yeah, my parents.
Speaker 2: Man. Shut One thing you wish you were better at?
Speaker 5: Hm hmm. One thing I wish I was better at. Damn.
Speaker 5: That's what you know, your little arrogant you know what
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me think, let me think I've done that, done, this,
Speaker 4: was great at this.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I'm joking when I say that one thing I
Speaker 5: wish I was better at? Uh, yeah I would. I
Speaker 5: would say, yeah, mortgage. Learning more than mortgage. I'm learning
Speaker 5: now getting better out of Yeah. That that that's on
Speaker 5: the way. Childhood crush. Oh dang, my wife's gonna see
Speaker 5: this too, So I got to be careful. Childhood, child childhood,
Speaker 5: childhood man, you know, man, Janet Jackson, Janet, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna just said, Janey not too long ago. One album
Speaker 3: you listened to with no skips?
Speaker 5: Oh man, you gotta go pop the world pop?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yes, what's your guilty pleasure?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Guilty pleasure that you could share.
Speaker 11: Right, they can't get it pleasure.
Speaker 5: Dang man, make you think I would probably man, just
Speaker 5: keep it like I mean ships, sweets man eating Yeah,
Speaker 5: I love.
Speaker 2: Sweets mane hear you. I'm on to get better.
Speaker 4: It sucks if you can have if you can see
Speaker 4: one guest on our show, who would it be?
Speaker 2: But you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 2: the show Man.
Speaker 5: One guess ship. Trying to have everybody y'all here, man,
Speaker 5: there's been a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people we said, some names that we haven't him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, Jordan gotta come on this show man.
Speaker 2: You can call them and tell Michael Jordan. It's gotta
Speaker 2: be something.
Speaker 5: You know that somebody I know that you already have
Speaker 5: magic see weeby'll.
Speaker 3: Have well rich Man, yeahs in your circle.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can make it so happen.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure. Yeah, y'all got to get Matt coaches.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, Matt for sure. We love as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, y'all got to get both of them.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, yeah, man, love.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: You're getting to it, Yes, sir man, that's a wrap.
Speaker 3: My team cleaves Man one of just the good dudes
Speaker 3: in the game.
Speaker 4: My brother tell them one time. They they what if
Speaker 4: you're trying to win? Tap in right there.
Speaker 3: That's a wrap just on all the smoke productions in
Speaker 3: the DraftKings Network.
Speaker 2: Man, we'll see y'all next week.