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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. All the smoke.

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Speaker 3: Day two man Pump gall of twenty twenty four. Jack

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Speaker 3: yesterday was dope. Yeah, he was able to sit down

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we did out there, shine, Yeah, food, grab some

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Speaker 4: dinner after the fan heads whatever they call him ships

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Speaker 4: some ship was dope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 4: I ain't never had one of them shits in there either.

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Speaker 4: He got more chickens than I did last night.

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Speaker 2: They had. I got like four pictures and people taking

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Speaker 5: The real one over here.

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Speaker 2: Now they off him, they off him. We buy them.

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Speaker 3: But man, today we get to start day two off

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Speaker 3: on the right foot.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: I saw I saw broke downstairs in the lobby when

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Speaker 3: I went to go get somebody, so I ain't seen

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Speaker 3: him in a minute. We chopped it up a little

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Speaker 3: bit and I was like, bro, He's like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: whatever you need. So one of my really it was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great surprise. Prise. But I really

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Speaker 2: love Man, that's my real brother. And to Douce who

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Speaker 2: we got today.

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Speaker 4: Man, Man, my class made somebody that a lot of

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Speaker 4: people don't know. He was one of those guys that

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Speaker 4: you know, they always talk about all these basketball players

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Speaker 4: ahead of the head of this time. He was a

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Speaker 4: du All American quarterback, one of the best quarterbacks in

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Speaker 4: our class. And I also won the best basketball players

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Speaker 4: was somebody that I grew up with in summertime planning

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Speaker 4: we neither one of us was really known coming from

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Speaker 4: came ain't brothers, and though we're still doing our thing

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Speaker 4: right now. So it's blessing to have them on the

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Speaker 4: show today, my brother and my team clease.

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Speaker 2: Man, welcome.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the best I've ever did too, so

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Speaker 6: you know, it was genuine.

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Speaker 3: Now I want to get to it. Before we get

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Speaker 3: to the class of ninety six.

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Speaker 5: Before you start, let me say that ship I made it,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean, this ship be on this ship,

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Speaker 5: I feel like.

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Speaker 3: I've made he said.

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Speaker 7: The smoke, you know, like you never left? What were

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Speaker 7: them AU days?

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Speaker 3: Like, I mean obviously raised in here, me and Raven

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Speaker 3: rocking together since we were fourteen on the AU Circle. That's

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Speaker 3: some of the finest memories of my life. I mean,

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Speaker 3: A you kind of set the foundation for everything. So

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Speaker 3: time I met And how did y'all start kicking it?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 2: You know? For me?

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Speaker 5: Hey, you I love AU from the standpoint You've seen

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Speaker 5: other cats that really could hoop, you know, like even

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Speaker 5: Michael Jordan, you know what I mean, in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 5: see cats doing some shit, You're like, whoa, you know

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Speaker 8: This cat's all around that could play, you.

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Speaker 2: Know for me.

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Speaker 8: So that's that's what AA you really did for me.

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Speaker 5: I didn't.

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Speaker 8: I wasn't on a scene like that, you know what

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Speaker 5: I just was in Flint, you know, I was at

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Speaker 4: What do you remember about him when you first met

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Speaker 4: him the Nike camps?

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Speaker 4: Coming to the Nike camps, you know, you got guys

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Speaker 4: And we knew with tem Clees, but they weren't talking

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Speaker 2: And Uh, that's that's the respect we had. You know.

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Speaker 4: In my own position, I made a name for myself

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Speaker 4: the same time he was making a name for himself,

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Speaker 5: We both were doing it at the same time. And

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Speaker 5: to go get it.

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Speaker 2: You see that, you had to get it.

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Speaker 5: Y'all had to go get to it. And they was

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Speaker 5: It was that way you had to You wasn't dunking nobody,

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Speaker 5: So you had to go see people, you know, So

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Speaker 5: that that was the thing that I loved about it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, class of ninety six arguably one of the greatest

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Speaker 2: We talked at length.

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Speaker 3: I mean, were good argument rest in Peace, co argument Bibby.

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Speaker 3: Who else was in that class? We talked to j

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Speaker 3: oh Thomas, Tim Thomas. Yeah, we've got a list of

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Speaker 2: But what does it mean being in that class?

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Speaker 3: And like you said, as you're going on the senior

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Speaker 3: kind of seeing all these dudes and the McDonald's back

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Speaker 5: Oh man, it was it was unreal, Like I said,

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Speaker 5: because I went to Nike, That's how I made my name.

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Speaker 8: But getting that I remember getting a letter in school,

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Speaker 5: They come to you, they come to school, they give

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Speaker 5: But going to the you know, the the real ship,

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Speaker 5: But back then a car accident, yeah, and visit at Michigan,

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, nobody heard about I didn't know about that

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Speaker 2: And we didn't hear nothing about it. We didn't know

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Speaker 5: Yeah, on my recruiting visit at Michigan. We got in

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Speaker 5: He had the old Ford Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer, you

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Speaker 5: tractor trailer. Lewis Bullock. Yeah, rest please Maude Louis Bullock. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we all was in the in the car and coming

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Speaker 5: So that's how a lot of that stuff started coming.

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Speaker 5: I was the recruit and the visit on the in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So fast forward.

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Speaker 3: You end up really hurting yourself but not really knowing it.

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Speaker 3: So you try to push through for the McDonald's game.

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Speaker 5: Yep, yep, Yeah, playing the McDonald's game, and god bless

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Speaker 5: went for Warden Man Detroit, that's my dog.

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Speaker 8: And he was he was like, let's listen, you know,

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, dog, I can't, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I just want to be on TV, you know what

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Speaker 8: Back then there was CBS Saturday Morning.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I just want to be on TV. That's it.

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Speaker 5: I scored. I ain't even scoring that game, but I

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Speaker 5: just ran up. And if you if you go back

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Speaker 5: and look at the ship, I couldn't move.

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Speaker 2: I was, but I just.

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Speaker 5: Wanted to be on TV. Yeah, I wasn't missing that moment.

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Speaker 5: Different? Different? Like I seen the first hand, Like I'll

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Speaker 5: be seeing a lot of these interviews stuff. I got

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Speaker 5: think we was all Americans, so we were some bad boys.

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Speaker 5: He was, Yeah, he was different, and how he approached.

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Speaker 5: It was different, was totally he was a pro back then.

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Speaker 5: He was locked in like we was. We was hooping

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Speaker 5: and we had fun and all that. But you know

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Speaker 5: we a venture off and getting ship sometimes too. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: not him. It was all hoop and he was he

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Speaker 5: he was so locked in that dude was different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, teenager man, cold blooded.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And he's talking about you know, he talking about well,

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Speaker 4: Winple was talking about, you know, let's let's practice hard,

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Speaker 4: like we had that same situation. We're supposed to be

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Speaker 4: just walking through and Kobe caught the bomb ripping.

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Speaker 9: Swung his middle hard boom like, no, let's pregnice, let's

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Speaker 9: practice it supposed to be a walk through.

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Speaker 4: He didn't give an he didn't give a goddamn Nigga's time.

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Speaker 2: To go.

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Speaker 3: Flint, Michigan. A lot of y'all came out of there.

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Speaker 3: What's that scene like?

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Speaker 2: Now? Man?

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Speaker 5: It's uh. If you remember a few years ago we

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Speaker 5: people acting like the water good, it still ain't good.

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Speaker 5: They still trying to figure it out and get it together.

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Speaker 4: But let the crazy part too, because I've been down

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Speaker 4: That soon as you get in Flint, the first thing

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Speaker 2: When you get to that. That where Jackie Moon had

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Speaker 8: Man, it's the same old ship.

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Speaker 5: It's grindy.

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Speaker 3: What is it about that that turns out so many

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Speaker 3: It's grimy, but it's I mean, it produces greatness.

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Speaker 8: I think it's like Clarissa Shills from Flint, that's my.

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Speaker 5: Corissa grew up like boys. Yeah that way yeah around

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Speaker 2: Super cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's real. We used to hoop at Bursting. She

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Speaker 5: But Flint, it's just that's a that's the mentality, you

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Speaker 8: A real one, A real one, yeah because yeah yeah.

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Speaker 8: And that's what it was. And the shit just got real.

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Speaker 5: You know, when he was hooping on the courtse in

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Speaker 5: Like what why is it so difficult to get The

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Speaker 8: Yeah they don't care.

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Speaker 5: It's a lot of inner city people. They're blacks, whites,

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Speaker 5: So they trying to trying to get it right, but

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Speaker 2: All for people that don't understand. Let me explain this

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Speaker 4: Imagine going to somebody house and they have probably forty

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Speaker 2: That's how bad it is. So just imagine living like.

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Speaker 5: Up in the top dogs the powers to be, and

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Speaker 5: like Clarissa came right up out of that thing. She

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Speaker 5: forget how great he was. That's ride On Rise and

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Speaker 5: that's big bro. He was cold blooded. Glenn Rice one

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Speaker 8: You know, he from Flint. Jeff grere here, oh g

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Speaker 5: You know, so you got Roy Marble he ended up

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Speaker 5: He won a championship with the eighty five Giants. Then

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Do a sport athlete, quarterback? What was your style like

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Speaker 3: It's something about football though, because I played football too,

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Speaker 8: But to think about when you go through a couple

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Speaker 3: To the stadium, you see eighty five thousand or one

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my only regretting life that I never got

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Speaker 5: And I and to be honest, I was gonna My

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Speaker 5: I was going to play football if I didn't have

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Speaker 2: The exact same thing. You see after my sophomore year.

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Speaker 3: My sophomore year, I went out there, Bob Toledo caming

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Speaker 3: All this change of dorms, not captain, won't start on

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Speaker 3: about being recruited by Izzo. Just a straight shooter. What

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Speaker 5: Oh Man back then, I was my top schools was

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Speaker 5: Back then, Georgia Tech, they was pumping out point guards.

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Speaker 8: When I say every day, Man, he recruited.

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Speaker 8: You know, he could be a straight shooter with him.

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Speaker 5: And to be honest, you know, because the people don't realize,

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Speaker 5: Bro, Yeah, no doubt about it. I would never change

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Speaker 5: And we came in there and grinded coach starting with coaches,

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Speaker 5: Let's clay, let's scratch. Yeah, let's scratch me. You know,

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Speaker 5: and now when we play him in the tournament, we're

443
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 5: gonna be ready to roll. Cats ain't in awe Like

444
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,080
Speaker 5: when we played Vince Carter my sophomore year. Cats there

445
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 5: they want the actual autograph before the game, you know

446
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,360
Speaker 5: what I mean. They wasn't used to none of that.

447
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, so they was like almost fanboy.

448
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 5: But after we started lying them, you know, them tough

449
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,120
Speaker 5: games up early in the season, that changed everything.

450
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 3: But so it seemed like you and Isa were kind

451
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 3: of growing on the same traject You were going as

452
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 3: a player and he was kind of growing as a coach.

453
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 3: I want to forget it and put it, you know,

454
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 3: getting this team on the map. What is it about

455
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 3: him that made him different than made y'all clip?

456
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 8: He a real one, He real like he really rock

457
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 8: with you.

458
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 5: Like a lot of these coaches they use you to

459
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 5: you know, and then they gone to the next one.

460
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 5: Now he really really really rock with you, you know

461
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 5: what I mean, you know to this day and you

462
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 5: know he care about you. You know what I'm saying

463
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 5: that's what separated him from all even being recruited. You know,

464
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,399
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, this dude so like he care, you

465
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And that's how we connected because

466
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 5: he was still growing as a coach. So I'm stuff

467
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 5: he ain't know, but we knew he cared, so we

468
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 5: didn't run through a brickwater.

469
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 4: I was working on Fox on showing Fox Matt and

470
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 4: during the episode, I can't remember, I can't remember who

471
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 4: it was it was. I think it was Nick Uh,

472
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 4: Nick right, I was on his show and uh, somebody

473
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 4: Chris Carter.

474
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 2: They're real cool.

475
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And during the episode, he said, I got

476
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 4: a message from you from coach is Me talking about

477
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 4: how much he loved my takes. Uh, he hoped I

478
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 4: can see you to get more work because he liked me,

479
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 4: liked me being a straight shooter. That made me and

480
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm like them. I ain't never met coaches all my life,

481
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I just wanted to

482
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 4: know that that's the type of person he is. I've

483
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 4: never met him in my life, but he's sent a

484
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 4: message through Chris Carter to tell me on National TV

485
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 4: that he loved what I'm doing y'all his.

486
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 3: Guys, yea, yeah, I've seen him at a piece gym,

487
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: so you know, I spoke to him for a second.

488
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 2: Dude.

489
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, y'all lost in North Carolina

490
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 4: bench quartering.

491
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 2: How was that? Just losing to in the sweet sixteen?

492
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 5: It was It was a good experience, you know what

493
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 5: I mean. They was out called they I thought they

494
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 5: was going the pros they had on that team. Man,

495
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 5: you had when your mom was a pro. Yeah, jumping

496
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 5: people don't know this rock when of the best.

497
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: Jamison once again belongs in the Hall of Fame twenty twenty,

498
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 4: twenty thousand points to twenty thousand rebounds.

499
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 2: I think, so he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

500
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 2: It was the big they.

501
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 5: Had, the big African uh and John Yeah mc targe

502
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 5: was it mc tar Yeah, he was at Michigan then

503
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 5: transferred there. Yeah, career to not be getting Yeah, Coda Winley.

504
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 5: It was called that's ninety six.

505
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 2: He looked that. Tell you our class is ridiculous though.

506
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 5: But not these.

507
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 8: But that was a hell of experience, you know what

508
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 8: I mean.

509
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 5: Get there and see it, and I remember we lost,

510
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 5: and I was like kind of frustrated and uh, coaches,

511
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 5: I'll never forget this. You came in the locker room like.

512
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 8: What's wrong with you?

513
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, you know, we ain't sure we should

514
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 5: have played better, blah blah blah.

515
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 8: And he was like, you, how can.

516
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 5: You get mad at some of them players when you

517
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 5: walk by their door room the whole summer before that

518
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 5: working on your game and take nobody with you. We

519
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 5: had that conversation one time. It was older than that.

520
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 5: It was up after that. It was a nine catch

521
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 5: in the gym and not just me. Now I'm grabbing

522
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 5: everybody calling everybody beat me at the gym. So that

523
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 5: we learned a lot from that, because see, sometime you

524
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 5: think you you superman, but when you go up against

525
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 5: a team like that, they was double on me, tripple

526
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 5: with me, taking the ball out of my hand, and

527
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 5: so that made me grow so much. It's like, oh, no,

528
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 5: you can't be no real teams by yourself. Get somebody

529
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 5: else you come to the table, you know. And that

530
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 5: so we we grew from.

531
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: That little buck kicking yeah ninety nine, losing the Duke

532
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 4: Brand Trading Langdon.

533
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 5: Team I thought was gonna win it all. I thought

534
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 5: the Duke was the best team made back to the

535
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 5: final FLI though they was Yeah, so so yeah, we

536
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 5: grew from that, got to the final four that following year.

537
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 5: That's something I pride myself. Yeah, my team's got better.

538
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 5: That's a big adjustment. Yeah, big adjustment.

539
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 8: Better every year adjustment myself on that.

540
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 5: But we playing they were so man, It's like you

541
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 5: scouting was like damn. They were so good. William Aby

542
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 5: Lottery pretty much, Corey mcghetty, Shane Battier, Eldon Brand like

543
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 5: Trading Langey. They had a squad. I don't know how

544
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: they didn't win it. I know, Ripping them got down

545
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 5: on them that next game.

546
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: Ripping them had some pros too, they did.

547
00:23:54,800 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: And some dog and some dog yeah yeah, yeah, that

548
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: boy was on there was on he was on there gang.

549
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: He had a gang and and and a wet curl.

550
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: Did you make rookie game?

551
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 5: Ye played? The rookie game?

552
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: Was I remember?

553
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 5: How was it?

554
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Steve francecon Baron Dave was.

555
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 5: Doing like that, yeah, both, you know, throwing it around him.

556
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was a bad game for him because

557
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 4: he had because Steve Frants.

558
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: Came out, Baron Davis came in like it was a

559
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 5: bad game. That was tough, but he was it was

560
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 5: specifically bad for him bringing that game. That ship was funny, man,

561
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 5: because I think back I there, that was still buzz

562
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 5: from the night before, you know what I mean. We

563
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 5: went crazy. We had the whole floor, We talked.

564
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: About the story, the open door party, the open door floor.

565
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 5: We was doing it. And then we had money money.

566
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 8: That was about twenty thousand. Yeah, we was acting up

567
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 8: nose right across the street.

568
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 5: I couldn't walk.

569
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: Across the street. We learned no ship, no ship.

570
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna lie go in there and wash my

571
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 5: face a half time, like to try to come back.

572
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 4: Like we graduated high school same yeah, Niga end up

573
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: in the rookie Game same year.

574
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 5: That was fastic. That was that was I'll never forget it.

575
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: Man, didn't blessed for Yeah, for sure, two thousand, y'all

576
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: beat Mike Miller and Donna's am.

577
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: I mean they was they was on one that floor.

578
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 3: I think they went back to back after that, right yeah,

579
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 3: after that, Yeah.

580
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 8: It was a couple of years, was it for them?

581
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 3: Came Mike Miller got one for sure though, Yeah, mc

582
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: miller got him one. Yeah, So y'all, I'm talking to

583
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: you right. It was Horford and uh yes he did Miller.

584
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: Win a championship.

585
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 6: No, was in the same draft, but Mike, he was dog.

586
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 6: That was hard for your Kams and Brewer and Brewer.

587
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that start the team was went went crazy.

588
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: They were nice. Used to make that that was called.

589
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: It was like they had.

590
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 5: I was just they just had they had Mike Miller.

591
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 5: You Dona's has Matt Bonner was on that team. Donee hard?

592
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: You did want a collage championship. You didn't win a

593
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: college championship, Bro.

594
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: He didn't know you di didn't. He always put me

595
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 5: in the head like every time I see he had twenty

596
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 5: eight on us though he was killing us.

597
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: Harvey was a fucking animal dog he was.

599
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 5: He was a first niggayah rebounding energy.

600
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 6: Today, first rolls, Joe Willis type.

601
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: He was first Joe type.

602
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. So they had a squadty too.

603
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: But we what that feel like, though, I mean, this

604
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: is you finally got it. Like you said, every year

605
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: y'all got better and you reached the pinnacle your last year.

606
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 5: Ah. Man, I'll take you right before the game, man,

607
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: I was tripping like it's on it's own and your

608
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 5: senior year, my senior year, yup.

609
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 8: And the toughest thing about that National Championship game is.

610
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 5: It's so late. So you waiting around like, yeah, you

611
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 5: want to play, like and you the game.

612
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 8: At like nine o'clock and you're like, damn, I just

613
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 8: want to.

614
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 5: Get out here. But like playing in that game, Florida

615
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 5: was good, but they was They was younger.

616
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: You know.

617
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 5: We had we just battle test and we had been there.

618
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: We were so locked in. We wasn't losing. We was

619
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 5: not losing to them, you know, we were so dial

620
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 5: Then the game plan was right, everything was was on point.

621
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 5: Tom Cream was our assistant, so he always had us

622
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 5: on point where everybody Scott was unreal. So we was

623
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 5: always prepared, but were so locked in. And then at

624
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: that point, I mean, at that point it was like shit,

625
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: let's get it, you know what I mean. It's it's

626
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 5: it's time to hoop, you know what I mean? That

627
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: lay it all on the line, and we knew they

628
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: was talented, but like I said, we looked at them.

629
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 5: People didn't think we could run with them, and that's

630
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: how we wanted to play. People ain't knowing the Big ten.

631
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: They just slowed us down. They were sending two three

632
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 5: people back. You know, they wasn't sending nobody to the boards.

633
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 5: So they were trying to keep us in the half court.

634
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 5: And they were saying, well, Florida's gonna press and ship

635
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 5: as a point guard. You take that personal, you know

636
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 5: what I mean, press press, I got that, you know

637
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 5: what I mean.

638
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 8: I ain't worried about that. So playing them, that was

639
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 8: our style.

640
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: We wanted to get up and down and with more

641
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 5: Pete you know, Charlie Bell, the athletes we had, We

642
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 5: had Mike Chappelle that transferred though from.

643
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 8: Duke Ja Rich was a baby.

644
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: That's my baby. That's a little bro. We had them

645
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 5: guns on them wings. And for me, I was just picked,

646
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. That was easy money for me.

647
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: But but that was the hell of a feeling.

648
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: Man.

649
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: I never forget watching that that tying roll off that clock,

650
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: and it's like, damn, you know I did it, you know,

651
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 5: because I grew up watching the Final Fours every year,

652
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: watching you know, one shining moment and you dream about

653
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 5: that moment, man, and that I was tripping on.

654
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 9: Kind of like the football shit because in the play

655
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 9: in front of eighty five.

656
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, different triple rays.

657
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 5: You at the don't yeah.

658
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: Watching everybody's watching flor even when you're watching it on TV.

659
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: You hit the rims. Yeah, they got the mics up

660
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: on the rim.

661
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: That that ship changed my life even to this day. Man,

662
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 5: there's people that can't tell you what NBA team I

663
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 5: play for. And I'm okay with that, you know what

664
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 5: I mean. I ain't got the problem with that. That

665
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 5: that changed my life that I'm still going out. Man,

666
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: I'm that's it'll be our twenty fifth year reunion coming

667
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 5: up this year, and I'm still out. People like Michigan State,

668
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, They just that that changed

669
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 5: my life and the way we I forgot. You know,

670
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 5: I had the injury in it, so that helped to

671
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 5: you know, coming back injury, coming back from that. But

672
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 5: you know, at that point, I wasn't tripping about that ship.

673
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: We got to win, you know, let's lock in, let's

674
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 5: get to it. So that that changed my life. That

675
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 5: was a magical moment. That's something I wish everybody just

676
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 5: playing in the Final four or winning, and I wish everybody.

677
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: That, right, I know, I know you and and let

678
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: me get this.

679
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: I know you and I know Magic, and you know

680
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: people can put their own interpretations on stuff. Explain this

681
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: picture to me, though, Spring the picture to me, it

682
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: looks crazy, looks crazy, It looks crazy.

683
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: It looks crazy, it looks crazy.

684
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 5: You want to tell you, I'm saying it looks crazy.

685
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 2: I know.

686
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 5: That's why. That's why I live with I know you

687
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 5: and I know magic.

688
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: My boy, this looks crazy.

689
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 8: You know what that.

690
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 5: Was crazy? It looks crazy, but I know I know

691
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 5: what it is. We know about ship right there. Man, Yeah,

692
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 5: that's that's that guy. That's that dude.

693
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 8: That's that dude telling me you him, I'm proud of you.

694
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, sir, you did sir, dude.

695
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody did this as I done it?

696
00:30:52,040 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, sir, yes, yeah, he can't. Nobody else make him

697
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 5: feel better in that moment. But yeah, that's it. And

698
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: he told me in that picture, you don't even realize

699
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 5: what you just did. He said you, he said it's

700
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: gonna get better the older you get.

701
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 8: It's gonna get better every year. And that was and

702
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 8: he ain't lying.

703
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: Every time I watch it Definal Fours or I still

704
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: get chill ups because they come back to me.

705
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 8: But he was telling me like, yeah, I'm proud of you.

706
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. And you you will see

707
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: every year as you get older, you're gonna appreciate this

708
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 5: more and more.

709
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: Did you win state championships?

710
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Jack town winner.

711
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: Yeah that's what I do. Yeah, football, but basketball would

712
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 5: won the state championship.

713
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah.

714
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: I was almost with Sacramento.

715
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: Get there, go get okay.

716
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I pride myself on winning.

717
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, got that right.

718
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: What was your introduction to the NBA, like in the

719
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: two thousands, have to buy the Pistons ended up with

720
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: the Kings. Yeah, controversial loss in the West Coast. To

721
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 4: talk about all that controversial when you cheated.

722
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to know what it's like to get

723
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm just I want to know what it's like to

724
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: get drafted.

725
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: That's pretty much your hometown team.

726
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not that was that was that was cool? Yeah,

727
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: to get drafted by the Pistons. You know, I'm a

728
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 5: bad boy thing. Grew up and Myron you know, Isaiah

729
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 5: Thomas and the bad Boys and all them. I was

730
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: lucky to grew up where I grew up at to

731
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 5: watch the Fab five, you know, see them, and to

732
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 5: see Isaiah Thomas, and I just thought like, damn, that's

733
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 5: just how you play basket.

734
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, that is how you do it. So I was blessed.

735
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 5: And then to get drafted by the Pistons was it

736
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: was crazy, you know what I mean, that's a that's

737
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 5: a dream come true to get drafted in the league regardless,

738
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 5: but Pistons my hometown team. That was That was that

739
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: was that was crazy. I don't even got the words

740
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: to explain on what that was.

741
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: Draft party was like, it was crazy, you know, I

742
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: know Mo mo p had a draft party together.

743
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the round favorite.

744
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, let's as being won our.

745
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 5: Favorite human beings. That's my baby. Yeah yeah, yeah, we

746
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: had a draft party together. And see mo p P

747
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 5: had a lot of girls too, so we brought him.

748
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 5: Yeah did you know he was but no, we had it.

749
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: We had it.

750
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: We had a good time. Flint showed up, man, Flint,

751
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: Flint rock with us, you know what I mean. We

752
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: kept a one hundred you know what I mean. We

753
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: we Flint to the course. So they always showed up

754
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 5: and supported us. So that was that was that was

755
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 5: big time. Yeah, that was something special. And and and

756
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: getting there and playing my rookie year. That was That

757
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: was That was cool too.

758
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: Who was on the team at that time.

759
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 5: Stack Stacked to the raft, Stacked to the rag, bad boy.

760
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 5: Stack led the league and scoring that year. Yeah, U G.

761
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 5: Hill had just up.

762
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 8: I tell him all the time, I G.

763
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 5: Hill, you stay, I'm I'm in the league for a

764
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: long time. I got stack House right here here once. Yeah,

765
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: I'm in the league. I'm topped in the citison of

766
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 5: the league. If I'm you know the way I played,

767
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, my style I was. But

768
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 5: he had just left, and Stack was the man we had.

769
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: Mike Curry was O O G. Yeah, O G. Mike Curry.

770
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, Chucky Atkins, that's my dog.

771
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Jerome Williams was on that team.

772
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 8: But yeah, Dana Burrows old school, yeah yeah, yeah.

773
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

774
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 5: We didn't have a good year at all. But like

775
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 5: you said, I think earlier. You know, I got to

776
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 5: end up getting traded that summer, and that was eye

777
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: opening because I learned it's a business real quick. Yeah,

778
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 5: and Joe Dumars I thought, was my man, you know

779
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 5: what I mean, But it's business, you know what I mean.

780
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: You think when it's all the way to Sacramento too.

781
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: Oh man, that.

782
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: Was and it ain't really fit my style, you know

783
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 5: what I mean.

784
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 8: I'm like, damn man, you send me to sack. That

785
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 8: ain't my style.

786
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 5: They already had just traded for Mike and Bobby Jackson,

787
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: so they had the pgs on point to beyond.

788
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 3: They was already locked in the bigs with the playmakers

789
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: on that team.

790
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure. And one thing I do respect about Sacramento.

791
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: I always remember their front office was they was honest.

792
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: You know, they was like, hey, we got Mike Bibby,

793
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 5: we got Bobby. We love the way they play. They

794
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 5: fits our style better. Uh, We're gonna go with them.

795
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 5: You know, you come in compete every day and we'll

796
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 5: see what happens. But they was real, so at least

797
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 5: I knew my role. So what I did was my

798
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 5: whole folkus. Okay, well, how do I impact this team?

799
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: How do I ain't gonna come in here and just

800
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: do nothing. I gotta have impact and beyondest asks, Web asked,

801
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 5: Mike asked him. I was one of the leaders on

802
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 5: the team. And that's odd because I didn't even really

803
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 5: play that much, you know what I mean? But yeah,

804
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 5: I just personality yeah, yeah, no doubt about it. Like

805
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: Matt Barnes, like and Jackson. You can have like your

806
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 5: home players.

807
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: But because you leave by example, you just play hard. Yeah,

808
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: it was real.

809
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 5: We competed the.

810
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: Second team used to get that ass though.

811
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wanted to because we wanted to play.

812
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: So when was that? So that was that young Paysia

813
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: young Hto.

814
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 5: Was starting.

815
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: Will Yeah, Bobby yeah.

816
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 5: Second, we used to be a Scott Pollard yeah, Scotty p. Yeah,

817
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 5: we used to be added.

818
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: So that Laker team.

819
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: Uh So I don't mean to make it about me,

820
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 3: but I'm a UC at the time, so I'm fighting

821
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 3: for I'm obviously he grew up a huge Laker fan,

822
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: but obviously be in a sack. I grew on that team,

823
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: and I used to play with y'all in the summertime

824
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: with Webb and all them dudes and workout. So I'm

825
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: over here battling Laker fans and wanting the Kings to win.

826
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 3: But and then we got a member of the Lakers,

827
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 3: one of the Lakers, he was on the team at

828
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: that time.

829
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: Someone to hold the computer back there? What was that?

830
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: What was that playoff series in particularly that battle with them?

831
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Like from Kobe getting sick, to the referees, to a

832
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: lot of shit going on, and and the Kings all

833
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: bullshit disciples. Probably the best team in the league that year,

834
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: with all due respect, and he back that time, my man,

835
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: let it go.

836
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

837
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: But you know who was referee in game six, Scot

838
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: the famous Yeah he was Donah wow, he was refe

839
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: game six.

840
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: That's what I was talking about.

841
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 5: The series was when they started really investigating him.

842
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: What would it look like for a Sacramento Kings team

843
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 3: or the Lakers to win the championship? Yeah, it's always

844
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: it's always the business.

845
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 5: It's always a business market.

846
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: But let's talk about that was what was that? What

847
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: was that series? Like?

848
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 5: Man, it was that was the whole season was crazy

849
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 5: because it was if you remember, that's when Doug Christy

850
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 5: and Rick five got into a fight in the preseason, preseason.

851
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was in pres a real game.

852
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a preseason.

853
00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 6: Guy, the s Yeah, yeah, that had to in some

854
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 6: beef before the game though.

855
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 5: It was before it was just the years of playing

856
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: each other. Yeah, yeah, light skin ship, Yeah.

857
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: Douglas with the ship was with it.

858
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: But the cool ass dudes though I.

859
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 5: Don't like super good, super good dude. But yeah, they

860
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 5: were they it got real. So it started I think

861
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: even the year before that. But man, it was it

862
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 5: was on site. Whenever we seen them. It was I

863
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 5: remember Mike uh Bibby Hell one time we was going

864
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: to the to the bus and he was kind of

865
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 5: hanging out in the arena before he went to the bus.

866
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 8: He was like, they out there like oh, because you know,

867
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 8: I was with it, you know what I mean, I was,

868
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 8: I was.

869
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: They dont get down.

870
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 8: So Mike like they out there, I'm like, it's like

871
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 8: shack boys.

872
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 5: They waved by the bus. That's wrong, you know what

873
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: I mean, Like whatever, go down, go down with you

874
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 5: shouldn't get on this bus. So but it was like that,

875
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: you know, it was major. You know, they was calling

876
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 5: us the queens. They had little ship, but they were

877
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 5: scared of us. I don't care what they said. They

878
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: know because the way we played it was, I mean,

879
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 5: you got to go to state now. We was kind

880
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 5: of like that back, you know, our style of playing ball.

881
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: Bigger t Well was so good. He made everybody around.

882
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 3: Talk about how good because I mean, obviously the homie

883
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: friend of the program. We're doing some work with him,

884
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: but I don't think he gets the love.

885
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: Before Webb's knee injury.

886
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: Cold Well was so good. He made everybody around him better.

887
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 5: I'm talking about passing and he posted hit, make plays

888
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 5: off the bounce. Well was so good, you know what

889
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 5: I mean? Yeah, yeah, all day.

890
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 4: He definitely one of the best passing big man easy easy.

891
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: He made us out of all them great players on

892
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 5: that team, Man Web made everybody better.

893
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: He did.

894
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: He was the dude. And that's why our team was

895
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: so close because Well was. He was the man. He's

896
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: so cool. He took care of everybody, made sure everybody

897
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 5: was was in you know. But Well was so good.

898
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 5: And then you have Lottie Body, O G. Doug Christy,

899
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 5: Bobby Mike, everybody on that team.

900
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: Dog was so.

901
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: Good and really good at what they did. But playing

902
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: the Lakers, you're talking about dog fights, you know what

903
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 5: I mean. Every possession counted, every possession we had them, Man,

904
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 5: we had them. I ain't want them just trying to

905
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 5: blame the rest. But we we got screwed. We did, man,

906
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 5: we we we got screwed.

907
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 2: Number eight wasn't taken off on y'all.

908
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 8: He was he.

909
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 5: Was Yeah, him and and to see and Doug Christy

910
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 5: had d yeah, yeah, defense, But.

911
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 8: Kobe was different and Doug made earned everything he.

912
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 9: Got defense because he had the security. Bro, he was

913
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 9: up there studying. Yeahs, Like, bro, what's wrong with you?

914
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 4: Because you know, because you know if Doug's one of

915
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 4: the guys he closed.

916
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: Up here when he coming here.

917
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was one of the first dues. Was showing

918
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: me how he timed dribbles, you know what I mean,

919
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 5: because I'm like, damn, man, he's taking the ball from

920
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 5: these cats that that could play. Like, man, how is

921
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 5: you taking the ball from these dudes who really can play?

922
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: You know?

923
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 5: And uh, he was timing they dribbles. But like them

924
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 5: battles was crazy. But our team, I'm stand on that

925
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 5: we was the best team.

926
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 9: Man.

927
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah we got ribbed.

928
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 5: I'm a stand on that people can have their opinion

929
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: whatever that I feel like we got robbed. He was

930
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 5: the best team. Man.

931
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: What are your memories from Lebron's rookie year?

932
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 5: Different? Like I gave a nickname Heaven Sent, Like God said,

933
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: you you know what I mean?

934
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 8: You don't get that good?

935
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah? Early right out the gate a team coming out

936
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 5: of high school. I ain't nobody thinking. I was like, nah, man,

937
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 5: he can't be that good. He's gonna be good in

938
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: the league. But I ship, man, I'm in practice this boy.

939
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, whoa. He was the real deal and I'm

940
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 5: talking as a baby. He was.

941
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 8: He knew it, he knew he had a great feel

942
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 8: for it.

943
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 5: Athletic get where he wanted to get, you know what

944
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 5: I mean. He he was different. That's why I used

945
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 5: to call it heaven sent. Like God just said, you

946
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 5: though the deal.

947
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 9: Athletically sixty and changed. Yeah, the first time I ever

948
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 9: got come. Yeah, I was behind.

949
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 5: Yeah he was.

950
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 9: I was like, he's a kid to sixty the whole ship.

951
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 9: That's gonna be a problem.

952
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Like running like a deer too.

953
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 5: It's like it's like you this is a king thing.

954
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 5: Now I wash it too, Like he's gonna be good. Yeah.

955
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 5: When I started, the pressure.

956
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 10: Was like yeah, that's what I'm saying.

957
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 5: I say it's heaven sent, like said, man, he got

958
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 5: to still he was playing. I think it's Dallas. Michael

959
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 5: Finley tried to chase him down, like he looked back

960
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 5: and like he was at like the topic. He just

961
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 5: one step took off boom. I was like, he just

962
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: run the other way like he was having said. Except

963
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 5: that's what it is right there, God said you you can't.

964
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 5: You can't practice and get that good.

965
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah you got to that.

966
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah you can't. You can't do it, Lebron. Yeah,

967
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: I'm blessed, you know, to be able to say I

968
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 5: played with him. You know, that's when when I'm speaking

969
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 5: to people and doing nothing, I know, I throw that name.

970
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: Out, play with Yeah, post basketball business.

971
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: If you're trying to win, you're trying to win. Tell

972
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 5: the motherfuckers.

973
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, so you do some work with Matt and

974
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: his group, But what what is what is business of

975
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: basketball mean to you now that you're done? And what

976
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 3: if you don't mind sharing doing some of the stuff

977
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: you're doing?

978
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 5: Man, you know what, I'm blessed. I'm blessed. Man. You

979
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 5: know I've been able to do broadcasts and got the

980
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 5: music a little bit. I did some things there. But man,

981
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 5: my real blessing is now, like man, this he's a

982
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 5: real one. He is a real one. Like if you

983
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 5: a player in the NBA, you want to get to

984
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: the Phoenix Sun the time. Yes, that's my little brother. Yeah, man,

985
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 5: he was in our championship team. That's my little brother man,

986
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 5: and he had always been talking to me about getting

987
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 5: in the mortgage industry and doing stuff. And I'm like, Morgans,

988
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 5: you know, I don't even seem fun. But he so,

989
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 5: he's such a visionary man. He had the vision and

990
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: he taught me. What he started was a leadership development

991
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 5: team at his company u WL. We didn' number one

992
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: overall it in America, so we win it, winning again.

993
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 5: But his vision was like, I want you to come

994
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 5: to my company and help lead my leaders. I want

995
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 5: you to show our leaders how to get the best

996
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 5: out of other people. So that's what I do, you know,

997
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 5: in the mortgage industry. But he's a visionary man. He's

998
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 5: such a real one. He came and got me, man,

999
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 5: when a lot of people you know, scattered, and he

1000
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 5: he came like, let's roll. I got a good thing going.

1001
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: I want you a part of it. Let's go win

1002
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 5: another championship.

1003
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1004
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 5: So here, yeah, a real one. So I'm working in

1005
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 5: the mortgage entustry now and we're killing it. We're killing

1006
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 5: the game.

1007
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 6: Man.

1008
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: We got a good thing going. I'm talking about from

1009
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: Matt to all of our senior executives, to all of

1010
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: our team members.

1011
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 8: It's like we got over eight thousand people at.

1012
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 5: Our company and we family. It's like everybody like we

1013
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: we do it like the hoop. You know what I'm saying,

1014
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 5: Like this your brother, this is your sister, Like we

1015
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 5: because of you. Yeah, that's how we're doing it. Yeah,

1016
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: that's the culture that we got there.

1017
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: But to think about that, I mean, obviously to be

1018
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: a great college athlete, win a championship, to make the NBA,

1019
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: and then post career to pay to be you, like

1020
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 3: I want you to rub off on my multi possibly

1021
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 3: billion dollar company.

1022
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: Like what does that feel like?

1023
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: Man? It's a great feeling, you know what I mean.

1024
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: And it's it's you know, how to win that life?

1025
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to win that you're trying to win,

1026
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 5: but your mind right, keep your grind time, you know,

1027
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 5: that's how we get into it. I'm blessed to be

1028
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 5: able to do the same thing I I'm just doing

1029
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: leader up of America now, being the leader. That's what

1030
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 5: he brought me in and it's all It start with

1031
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 5: him though, because he's so humble. He set the stage

1032
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: because he's such a humble dude and a hard working guy,

1033
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And everybody else in our

1034
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: company that we all follow that, you know what I mean.

1035
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 8: He's such a he's such.

1036
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 5: A real one man, and everybody loved him like we

1037
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 5: all run through a brick wallfort like I said, with

1038
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 5: the coaches or effect, like you know, he cared about you.

1039
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 8: That's how all eight thousand our employees feel like.

1040
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 5: There he there in the building, sitting at lunch with

1041
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: people know every day and the everybody name in the building.

1042
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 8: He's like that, you know what I mean.

1043
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 5: So he that that environment that we got there is

1044
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 5: something that we took from sports, you know what I

1045
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 5: mean in Michigan State, and now we got to building

1046
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 5: over eight thousand people and everybody, everybody rock with you.

1047
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: I always tell people, you know what I mean. At

1048
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 5: Michigan State, he I mean it was pros. You had myself,

1049
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 5: Charlie Bell, mo p J. Rich, you know what I mean.

1050
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 5: So Matt was undersized. He could at a mid major,

1051
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 5: he would have been he would have played. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1052
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 5: he just a little undersized. But mac got gain.

1053
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1054
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 5: Owners can't no owner, No, they ain't even coastal.

1055
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, none of them.

1056
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 5: But Matt, Yeah, no man can play.

1057
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 9: He got gag.

1058
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: Listen man, we appreciate your time. Moving on to quick hitters.

1059
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: The first thing to come to mind, let us know

1060
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 4: that fill in the blank, Mateen Cleves wouldn't be here without.

1061
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 5: Great parents. I say, great man, Yeah, they my mother

1062
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 5: and daddy instilled the self confidence in me a dog. Yeah,

1063
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 5: I say, yeah, my parents.

1064
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: Man. Shut One thing you wish you were better at?

1065
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 5: Hm hmm. One thing I wish I was better at. Damn.

1066
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 5: That's what you know, your little arrogant you know what

1067
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 5: I mean?

1068
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1069
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me think, let me think I've done that, done, this,

1070
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: was great at this.

1071
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1072
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 5: And I'm joking when I say that one thing I

1073
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 5: wish I was better at? Uh, yeah I would. I

1074
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 5: would say, yeah, mortgage. Learning more than mortgage. I'm learning

1075
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: now getting better out of Yeah. That that that's on

1076
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 5: the way. Childhood crush. Oh dang, my wife's gonna see

1077
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 5: this too, So I got to be careful. Childhood, child childhood,

1078
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 5: childhood man, you know, man, Janet Jackson, Janet, I'm.

1079
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: Gonna just said, Janey not too long ago. One album

1080
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: you listened to with no skips?

1081
00:48:52,960 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 5: Oh man, you gotta go pop the world pop?

1082
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yes, what's your guilty pleasure?

1083
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.

1084
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 5: Guilty pleasure that you could share.

1085
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 11: Right, they can't get it pleasure.

1086
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 5: Dang man, make you think I would probably man, just

1087
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 5: keep it like I mean ships, sweets man eating Yeah,

1088
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 5: I love.

1089
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 2: Sweets mane hear you. I'm on to get better.

1090
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 4: It sucks if you can have if you can see

1091
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: one guest on our show, who would it be?

1092
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: But you have to help us get your answer on

1093
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: the show Man.

1094
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 5: One guess ship. Trying to have everybody y'all here, man,

1095
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 5: there's been a lot.

1096
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 2: Of people we said, some names that we haven't him.

1097
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, Man, Jordan gotta come on this show man.

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Speaker 2: You can call them and tell Michael Jordan. It's gotta

1099
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Speaker 2: be something.

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Speaker 5: You know that somebody I know that you already have

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Speaker 5: magic see weeby'll.

1102
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Speaker 3: Have well rich Man, yeahs in your circle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you can make it so happen.

1104
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Speaker 5: Oh for sure. Yeah, y'all got to get Matt coaches.

1105
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, Matt for sure. We love as well.

1106
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Speaker 5: Yeah, y'all got to get both of them.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you, yeah, man, love.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You're getting to it, Yes, sir man, that's a wrap.

1110
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Speaker 3: My team cleaves Man one of just the good dudes

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Speaker 3: in the game.

1112
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Speaker 4: My brother tell them one time. They they what if

1113
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Speaker 4: you're trying to win? Tap in right there.

1114
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Speaker 3: That's a wrap just on all the smoke productions in

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Speaker 3: the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 2: Man, we'll see y'all next week.