WEBVTT - Decline and Fall w/ Robert Brooks Cohen 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.200 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.680 Hello, welcome to That's Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.000 My name is Lisa Traeger. Hello, hello Lisa. My name 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.240 is Kara Klank. And you know what we do here 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.080 on this podcast. We talk SVU, we talk real crimes, 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.440 we talk to a you know, amazing actor or person 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.840 involved in SVU episode, and today we've got a good 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.240 one for you as usual. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:54.960 But before all that, we just chat what is going on. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:56.040 We banter. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.840 I mean, we're like we're in the ultimate time machine, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.680 I would say that. So hopefully we'll get on a 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:04.640 rhythm soon, but maybe not because I'm going to go 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.720 to Finland for weeks, so we'll just always be an 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:12.160 intergalactic space floating and some you know, what is time 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:13.000 and anything? 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:14.800 Yeah, yeah, it's spring break. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.920 It was spring break last week, so we're taping this 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.160 a little bit in advance so that we can spring 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:19.920 break a little bit. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.559 And did you ever go on like a really wild 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:23.280 spring break. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.280 Lisa, I did not that was not part of my 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.560 existence as a human. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:28.200 Did you go to Daytona? 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:29.000 No? 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.360 No, I went to Cancun when I was a senior. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.560 I don't know if I've talked about it all. And 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.679 then the mom got food poisoning. Was the chaperone, Yeah, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.640 our chaperone, mom had to come with us. I mean 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.920 it was like gross, Like I can't believe I even went, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.320 Like I can't believe it because it seemed so fun, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.720 but like we just got like drunk and like made 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:47.840 out with random people. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.440 It was just like a wild time. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.920 But it is what everyone else is doing, So I 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.560 think I'd rather go on a more I don't know, 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.360 off the beaten path spring break one day. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:04.000 MTV still do spring break shows, Like do they still 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.480 go and gyrate on a stage next to the ocean? 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:07.280 You know what? 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:09.080 They like didn't when I was there. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.840 But I also think that MTV can like license its 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.960 name out to stuff, So it's possible that there is 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.720 like an MTV spring Break festival type thing that's just 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.360 not televised, you know. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:18.799 What I mean. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.480 Like, but there definitely are not doing the grind and 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:26.840 like the fucking kids going nuts at Daytona probably right, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.360 or somewhere in Florida. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:29.480 Like they're not city. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:30.040 I don't know. 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think that that's going down 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:33.800 on MTV anymore. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:38.799 But it's on MTVu. Okay. I can't believe MTVu still exists. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.520 I used to apply for jobs there when I was 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.880 is it It was originally MTV like university like for 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.280 college age, like they were trying to make sort of 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.400 college programming, And then I did not even know it 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:51.760 still existed, to be honest. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.320 So I think that it's just targeted at the college set. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:03:00.880 But damn, yeah I am. Yeah, I don't. It just 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.040 wasn't a thing for me. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.000 I wonder, this is funny that MTV just totally came 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.400 up organically in this conversation, because we do talk about 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:08.840 it a lot more later in the episode. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.800 Oh wow, I like did not even do that on 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:12.679 purpose at all. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.000 I just wanted to know if you had ever gone 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.560 to like, yeah, Daytona and don't a wet T shirt contests. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.360 But I guess I understand that that was probably not 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.519 gonna happen with your parents. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:25.680 No, I didn't even go in school. It's just like 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.120 wasn't a part of my life. But I would. I 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.160 I'm also more of a rent a house and let's 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.120 not leave type of yas like when I watch the 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.600 Real Housewives and they have like a house with a 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.480 pool on the beach with a staff, Like that to 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.760 me is the perfect vacation. I do not need to 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.960 go anywhere. I mean, I guess I'll go to a 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.000 jungle if you take me on a jeep. But I 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:54.280 like a lounge, like I don't the idea of Miami, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.640 and like club hopping and going from place to place 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.960 is not like a fun experience in my head. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.480 No, no, I think when I was seventeen, I could 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:05.040 handle it, but like now I absolutely like will not 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:05.960 do that stuff. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.120 And what you're describing is perfect. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.520 Like my bachelorette party was forty eight hours in a 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.680 house in Pump Springs. No one left, Like we did 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.520 not go anywhere. One person went to do yoga. I'll 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.280 tell you off camera who it was. I know, but 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.159 but like you know what I mean, Like I don't 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:23.719 want to go anywhere. I want the company to be 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.000 good and I want everything at the house and that's it. Yeah, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.240 And I remember like in my late teens early twenties, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.720 I would go nightclubbing and hate every second of it 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.279 and think something was wrong with me, and then you 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.080 realize like, oh, we could all just like different things. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.719 I don't know why I kept forcing clubbing into my life, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.559 Like I don't know why I wore heels, spent eighty 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.719 dollars on patron shots every night. 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.160 Just like waited in line. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.320 Yeah, I just don't know why I thought that that's 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.120 what I needed to do to have fun. And I 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.880 would always sneak to the bathroom and just stand there 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.280 and like like and I didn't even have cell phones. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.920 I don't think that point. Now I did, but it 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.480 wasn't as you know, it's it didn't entertain us as long. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.240 But I was just miserable at these places. And now 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.880 I realized, like, oh I don't have to do that. Yeah, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.200 I can just go dance at a chiller place. Oh 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.520 my god, I'm just getting like a flashback. Do you 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:23.240 remember November? Like most mustache November, like men grow a mustache. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.200 So I was at a nightclub competition and my friend 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.560 and I put on milk mustaches and ordered white Russians 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.680 and we were like competing like all these women. We 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.400 all had mustaches for testicular cancer. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:35.880 I don't know. 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.760 I just had like a wild memory flood in my 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:40.200 life really popped back in. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.640 Wow, neither. I don't even know if it's a good 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:45.520 or bad story. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.640 It's just like truly neutral, Like it's just a neutral 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:49.280 memory that. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:49.920 Came to my mind. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.400 We're doing what you could for testicular cancer, and I 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.640 appreciate that. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.880 What else is going on? What else happening? 0:05:59.080 --> 0:05:59.279 Yeah? 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:00.640 I liked the after party. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.320 I liked getting McDonald's as the sun came up in 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.920 a car, Like that's what That's what my clubbing meant 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:07.320 for me. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.440 But it's interesting watching my niece. 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.480 She was like when I saw her last week, like 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:15.960 wanting to go to this diner that I used to 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.719 go to after homecomings and stuff. And it's so interesting 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.000 that it's the same activities passed down. 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:26.640 From getting food on my own late at night was 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.039 the height of coolness, Like just so fun diners, so fun. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.440 Baker Square was big for us. Oh yeah, it was 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.080 that never a part. I don't know what that is. 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.640 You've never heard of Baker Square never in my life? 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:40.040 What is that? 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:40.719 Oh? 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.000 They had like a whole big stack of pies, like 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.160 a table menu of pies. So each day they have 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.760 thirty different pies. But I would get this like Chinese 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.080 chicken salad. Like you know, they'll throw some crunchy sesame 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.880 things and call it an Asian salad. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:55.599 I would love. 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.000 I would love it there and we would all get pies, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.159 and there was a Rece's pie and a French still all. 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.760 You know, I can name pies all day, but it 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.520 was it was just the place open late that had 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.680 diner food. And like, I'll say pies again, Yeah that's it. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.640 What is your number one pie? Again? I would always 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:13.200 switch it up. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.920 But I love a lemon, a coconut, a banana cream 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.920 like I like a creamy, fruity pie. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.040 I would say, I think this might be our second combo. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.520 Probably during one of our pre Thanksgiving shows, we've talked 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.280 about pies, but I just wanted to get a quick refresher. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.920 But if someone has a blueberry pie with a delicious crust, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.440 like I love a crust. I love pie crust, I 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.800 would just can they just sell pie crust crispies in 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:40.200 a bat. I would eat that all day like pie creutons. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.640 Yeah, oh my god, hello sharks. My name is a 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.680 trigger and here's my idea for pie Creuton. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.840 Well, I love ice cream with chunks of pie in 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.160 it like that, like uh with pie crests. And I 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.480 don't know how often that happens, but it is like, 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:55.440 sorry to go about pies. What diner did you have? 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.880 Just like a local one that was called bulls Head 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.440 in Stanford, Connecticut that we would go to all the 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.560 time and I loved it. I think it's still there. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.520 I've took I've taken Jared there. I was like, hey, 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.120 come to this diner I went to in my high 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.680 school days. But yeah, and then there was one called 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.960 post Road Diner. Like just they were all local, like 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.080 not chains or anything. They were just like local to 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.040 our area. Dunk a donus prank calls. 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.160 But life doesn't change, like I still you know, we 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.960 still just do that. Yeah, yeah, we still just go 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.720 eat somewhere, just at a different hour. I mean I 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.960 did go drinking last night with the boys and it 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:32.520 was fun. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:33.959 Yeah. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.880 Well, once you go to this bar with a regular, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.120 you know, Zach is such a regular and the last night, yeah, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.600 but I didn't have to start at tab. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.400 She was like, oh honey, I got you. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.720 Don't worry bringing drinks to the table and it's like 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.240 all fake and it's obviously because I was with another 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.400 person and I try to tip well to get a 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:52.360 favorable treatment. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.080 But it feels good. 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.600 Nonetheless, it feels it's funny that our friend who is 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.599 the regular there, just like put in the legwork, and 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.880 now everone else is reaping the benefits, you know, like 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.679 he's not. It's only he's a famous person where they're like, oh, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.440 you're friends with him. It's like he just came into 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.000 that bar a lot and made his name for himself, 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.200 and now they're like, oh, you're with him, like you know, 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.720 it's got Moe's vibe, right. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.280 Oh that's cute. I'm trying to do a Simpsons reference. 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:20.560 That's so sweet. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:21.360 It does. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.360 I mean, it's not as depressing Moe as truly suicidal 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.240 at every moment. But no, where everyone knows your name, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:29.560 I don't know if they know my name. I don't 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.680 need them to. I just want I want. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.680 You to know my dress show where everybody knows I 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.040 like vodka soda, that's your Cheers theme song. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.160 Yeah, but I switch it up, you know, I switch 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.960 it up. Oh you like why? 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.080 And yeah? 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.080 It was because you know, I met, I went to 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.240 Botega Louis. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:45.880 What is it? 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:47.800 Oh? How was it? 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.680 It's beautiful in there? Is it beautiful? 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.160 I mean I literally waited for this restaurant to open 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:53.760 for four years. I kept saying, I can't wait to 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.320 go there, and then I moved out of the neighborhood 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.199 before it ever opened. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.160 And you would love it because it's pasta's simple pastas. 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:04.440 But they just have beautiful cake displays, frosted gorgeous like 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.720 they and macaroons, like very beautiful dessert counters. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.120 That's so interesting in West Hollywood, where like everybody's so 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.760 body conscious in West Hollywood that they would be like desserts. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.439 Know who I had to Yeah, but that's what they're 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.400 bringing to the dinners. They're not eating it. This is 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.120 like gifts, like you would bring a cake to a party. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.079 But the person I had dinner with does not eat carbs, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.640 does not eat carbs at all. And I said, well, 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.600 maybe on your birthday and he said absolutely not. The 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.920 only time I'll eat and eat a carb is if 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.880 I'm wasted in New York at two am and I 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.119 walk and I find pizza and that is it. Wow, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:43.320 he does not And he said it's tough to be 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:43.920 a gay man. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:46.520 But I was like, you are speaking to a. 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.559 Woman, but okay, yeah, but yeah, he just doesn't eats 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.240 Victoria Beckham. He just doesn't do it. He's a Kelly 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.480 Rippa and his spirit. There's no cheat, no cheat moments. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:57.320 But I get it. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.080 Kelly Ripper said, you know, once you take one and 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.800 it's the next and she likes to stay ready. And 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.320 I get that because once you're a little taste, it's 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:06.400 it's hard to stop. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.320 Your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.559 That, but I would be sad like Victoria Beckham, instead 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.440 of cake for a birthday, does a watermelon cake and 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:15.600 it's just a piece of watermelon shaped like a cake. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.920 And I was telling my dinner date that and he 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.440 was like, ooh, I love that. And I'm like, you 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.080 would you fucking sick of you? Want to you just 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:22.840 a piece of water? 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:23.839 Get how? 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:24.120 Like? 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.160 That's is that? What? 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.040 Are you gonna have enjoyed everything when you are done 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.720 with life? Like saying I never had birthday cake on 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.240 my birthday. Yeah, some people just enjoy other things. 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:34.960 I guess. 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:36.160 Yeah. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.760 Well, because what I also learned was Sarrak vodka is 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:39.760 made out of grapes. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.400 I didn't know that. Oh is that better for you 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:44.160 or worse for you? 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:44.920 Or what? 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.400 What's the point of that you want vodka? 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.679 I just another neutral comment. I don't know. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.880 Yeah, I had a bottle of Sarroc in my apartment 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:56.480 in New York for such a long time that I 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:57.360 don't know where it came from. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.240 But we used to always be. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.200 Like Sorac didny shit, we would I always talk about 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.199 this bottle of sarak and then I don't even know 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.000 if we ever drank it. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:05.760 Wait, it was definitely a flavor. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.400 If it's April nineteenth, I do have to give a 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:08.960 shout out. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.439 It is my. 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:14.480 Sister's birthday and Aries true and true, Happy birthday to 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.679 another Aries queen with my rosie. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.680 Yeah, it's exciting. She's on the nineteenth. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.600 Her birthday is always around Passover and she was never 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.120 allowed to have delicious cakes. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:25.960 Does she ever listen to this podcast? 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:26.960 I doubt it. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:28.520 I mean, she has so much. 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.520 I just can't imagine her having time to listen to 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.240 hours of me talk when we barely even talk on 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.600 the phone. Like it would just be shocking. It would 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.000 be shocking to find out. But you know, I bet 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.679 there's some secret surprises around the corner. 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.440 Yeah, my sister loves us for you too. I just 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:49.720 I don't think she's much of a podcast gal. But 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.880 maybe one day our sisters will love us. What do 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.440 you think they do other things? When is your sister 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.440 visiting in the time right now, in the time machine. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:04.840 It's right now, she's sitting here with me as we speak. Yeah, 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.080 I can't wait to meet her. I have to come back. Yeah, 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.400 I'm excited to meet claint girl another mink. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.760 Yeah, because I've only met Colin and you know how 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.400 we kind of fight about. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:15.000 You know, the duck. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.800 That marks the fourth or fifth time you've brought up 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.320 the doc on this cat. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.360 So I can't wait to see what your sister orders 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:27.520 and judge her fiercely. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:29.960 Oh no, she'll be good. She won't disappoint you. 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:30.480 I don't think. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.200 Wait, did I tell you. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.960 That I got a gift package like a PR package 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:39.640 and a polaroid camera with film. No, a polaroid camera 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.320 for that HBO show. Yes, the Minx. Thank you to 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.480 the minks PR department for finding me on Instagram and 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:52.000 sending me multiple vibrators and a polaroid camera. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.520 Wow, those are pricey those boxes. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.120 Yeah, and there's an attachment to it and a rose 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:02.360 Quartz dildo. I mean, it's kind of like to say 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.240 it was a good and it came into picnic basket. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.880 So maybe we'll do an old style picnic a day 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.480 or something at the park. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:12.319 And yeah, just remove all the dildos, put in food 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:13.320 and baguettes and stuff. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:14.240 Yeah, that'll be fun. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.240 We can eat some peanut butter out and about. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.680 All right, do you have other little tidbits before we 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.440 move on to this great episode? 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.880 Well, yeah, our friend Danny Palumbo on Instagram posted that 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.600 he got to try the Van Luin Kraft Macaroni and 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.360 Cheese ice cream, So I am pretty envious of that. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.440 I can't imagine what that tastes like, but I would 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:36.920 like to try. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.960 That point, the food scientists are really flexing their muscles. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.680 I had parmesan ice cream in Italy one time, and 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:45.640 it was good, but it was like on the side 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.040 of like a meal. It was like at a fancier restaurant, 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.520 you know, so it kind of complimented. I wouldn't like 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.480 go into an ice cream parlor and be like twoscoops 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.680 of parmesan please, you know. But it was it was interesting, 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.320 it was cool. So wow, I'll go try that. That 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:00.760 sounds neat. What did he say, day? What did he say? 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:01.360 He liked it? 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.760 He said it was interesting and he liked it. Got it. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:06.320 That's all I got from him. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.680 That's one of those situations where I write constantly and 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.640 I get very few responses. If it's like my seek 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.840 treatment messages, I'm constantly writing to him and he's just like, Okay, 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.320 it was fine. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.320 The food was good. What do you want from me? 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.040 And I'm just like ooh poor, Like I don't know, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.800 I just am always writing to him. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.680 I have no shame on Instagram. It's really wild. People 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.200 will just truly just heart stuff for months and I 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.480 just keep on bothering them. But I want to be heard. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:37.640 I want to be heard. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:38.160 I like it. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.720 You're getting your thoughts out. I wasn't heard as a child, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.240 and I want to be heard. I don't know, I 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.520 have no idea. Well, we have an awesome episode coming 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.600 up and a really really fun guest, so stay tuned. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.440 All right, everyone, We're doing Decline and Fall at season eighteen, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.160 episode nine, Excited, and we're opening up on a hardcore 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.800 fond and cake Okay, people are singing you know, the song, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.600 the birthday song, and it says happy birthday, Lawrence, from 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.960 all of us, and wildly the cake is Ukrainian colors, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.280 so they were a se always ahead of its time, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.840 always prescient. And then there's you know, they pull away 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.920 and there's two hot model types, one brunette, one blonde, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.440 and they're both again wearing Ukrainian flag colors in bodycon dresses. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.080 So yeah, my brain's in one thing. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:33.800 And now there's an old man in a tie and 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:35.560 we get that that's probably Lawrence. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:35.880 Okay. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.760 He gets in between the girls and he says, what 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:41.080 a treat, and the cake too, so we get a 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.360 little grimy grandpa vibe. Everyone at the party is in 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:50.080 office attire or business outfits. No one's like dressed sect like, yeah, 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.760 he's a little bit of a work party, yeah, yeah. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.360 And he starts a speech about feeling young and loving 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.640 his employees and one day the company is going to 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.360 go to his lovely daughter's Cynthia. 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:02.600 And then we meet a young man with. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.840 No tie, top button unbuttoned and he looks about seventeen 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.920 and he's talking to the old man. We learned that's 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:13.080 his grandson. Let's Lawrence's grandson, but not Cynthia's child. The 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.320 family lineage in this episode gets confusing. Were you confused 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:17.359 or are you kept it going? 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.840 He has two kids, Cynthia is one and the other 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:21.400 one is a guy, and it's his kid. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:23.040 Yeah, it's his son's kid. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.880 Well, it was confusing for me, but then later he goes, oh, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.560 my nephew, and I was like, oh, so Cynthia is 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:30.240 not your mom. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.919 But yeah, so I just wanted to clarify. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.159 Now he asks his granddad like, hey, intro me to 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.920 one of those hot chicks, and Granddaddy goes, nah, you 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.840 got to do it on your own, like build up 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.800 your confidence. And then he's says something bad and says, 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:50.080 go easy on the spirits and stay sharper than your target. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:51.080 Not good. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:51.960 Not good. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.560 He sets his sights on a bartender cocktail waitress girl, 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.680 and he's really nervous. There's a pickup line. She's working, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.600 but at the end they're getting on. He's chatting as 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.600 she's wiping down glasses. They're having a good time, and 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.399 he is, you know, bragging how wild it is to 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.600 live with his grandfather in this penthouse. He offers a 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.640 tour and she's scared of getting in trouble. But then 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:16.879 she was like, oh, I guess my boss is smoking 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.000 weed on the roof and it's like, am I your boss? 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.119 So anyways, she agrees to the tour and then he 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.960 takes out a flask of some sort of fancy tequila 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.800 and they share some tequila on the flask and they 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.720 go on to like hang out in the penthouse. Cut 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.080 to the camera is like on a beautiful view of 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.080 Manhattan in the day, but also the noises of the city, sirens, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.119 garbage trucks, shit like that, and it pans out and 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:47.520 uh oh, our girl is passed out, shirt unbuttoned, groggy, confused, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.600 her pants around her ankles. She grabs her things and 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.240 phone and runs the fuck away. Now we're cutting to 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.280 the precinct and Mariushka looks stunning. Yeah, leather blazer with 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.159 a half up, half down hairstyle behind her CARREESI and 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:02.320 Rollins are you know? 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:02.959 Rolling up? 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.919 Finn is taking the sergeant's exam so he will not 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:06.760 be here today. 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.680 I wonder what iced Tea really had going on that day, 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.399 Like I wonder if it was like, oh, it's baby 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.320 Chanell's birthday and I'm taking her to like euro Disney 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.440 or something like. I mean, there's definitely a reason he's 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.120 not in it, Like he had something. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.520 He had something, maybe a body count concert. Yeah, we'll 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:25.400 ask him one day. 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.120 We'll be like, remember that one episode in season seventeen 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.159 eighteen whatever. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:34.400 This is where were you? Where were you? Okay? 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.199 Marishka sees the girl walk walking in. So now the 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.080 cater bartender is walking in. Marishka sees her and immediately says, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:43.639 can I help you? And she's like, I think I 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.360 was raped, but she doesn't remember anything. Credits, we're back 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.960 at the hospital. Are victims in a hospital robe? 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.919 Now? And she was bartending, you know all. 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.920 She remembers that she was bartending the birthday party of 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.560 an old guy from Avalone stores, and Marishko goes, Lawrence 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.920 so famous, he's well known. I guess these Avalone stores 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:08.040 are very exciting. She's bartending to pay for school and 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.840 she loved the view and that's all she can remember. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.480 And she says she just woke up in the middle 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.600 of the living room sore pants down. There is semen 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.600 in the rape kit. She's like, I knew it. I 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:19.879 must have been drugged or something. So they're going to 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.000 test the urin in the blood and we'll see what's what. 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.680 But she also says like I wouldn't drink at work, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.240 and even if I did, that's not how I would act, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.760 Like that's not really my energy and personality. 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:33.479 Like I wouldn't drink enough to be like fully blacked 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:34.720 out and have zero memory. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.800 Yeah, she remembers like talking to a young guy, but 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.600 doesn't remember name or anything. 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.439 She just remembers he had a nice smile. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.720 So now it's Amanda, CARIESI and Benson trying to figure 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.040 this shit out, and you know, they're doing research on 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.600 the computer. Stock is sinking. He's stayed on past his prime. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.280 His business is not doing great. He has a new 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.800 girlfriend who is at the party named Suzanne Day and 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:00.879 that's after his four dev So. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.359 I think her name is Sue Anne. What did I say, Susan? 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.679 You said Suzanne, And I just think it's funny to 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.400 say Sue Anne because of what it's such a weird name, 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:10.320 Sue Anne. 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.640 Yeah, she also looks like eight different actresses and yeah, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:15.480 of those, it's like, are you this one no or 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:20.760 this no? Okay, Well I'm confused now yeah, so will 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.000 I say Sue Anne or not, We'll see, But she's 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.480 not a huge part. Okay, guys, it's just trying to 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.160 show that he's a dumb slut and Benson calls him 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:34.760 a geriatric playboy billionaire, which I love. And all they 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:36.440 have to go on is that there was a young 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.720 man that smiled, so that's this is going to be 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.840 a tough investigation. So they need to get a list 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.879 of everyone under thirty at that party. So we go 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.120 on to the Avalon store headquarters, but the receptionist says, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.399 since they didn't do the party, like the household at 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.119 the party, so she doesn't have any info. But Lawrence 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.600 enters the chat and starts flirting with Rollins immediately and 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:57.680 they're like, babes, we. 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:58.879 Got to talk. Who's at the party? 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.200 He says, I was at the party, and then Cynthia 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.080 pops right up and he's like, oh, hello, what's up? 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.840 Can I help? That's my daddy, and. 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.639 Cynthia says, oh, everyone was old, and then Lawrence brings 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:15.280 up Eric, his grandson, fine young boy who lives with him, 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:16.399 and it's. 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:20.040 So it's just fucked up that he wouldn't ask for 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.720 a lawyer. He such a like high end businessman who's old. 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.560 But also like, why are you putting your grandson in 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.119 the mix of an investigation. It just doesn't seem like 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.359 that doesn't make sense to me. But Eric's working at 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.159 the office, so the cops go talk to him, and 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.800 Eric recognizes the girl from the photo. He says they 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.199 hung out. He says that consensual sex. Cynthia says, oh, well, 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.760 this girl's just confused and just sees a rich target, 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.680 so go fuck yourselves. And with these rich people, they're 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.879 acting like poor people don't get raped. It's like so 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.440 weird when they're always like it's just our money. It's like, no, 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.600 I don't. Then poor people wouldn't be getting raped and 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:57.760 raping like stop it, no one cares. 0:22:57.920 --> 0:22:59.639 So do you know you could also like try to 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.720 throw yourself down the stairs at a party like that 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.600 and se a person like to just like pretend you've 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:06.960 been raped and like I don't know it's or have 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.480 sex with someone. It seems like a lot to go 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.840 for just extortion when there's other ways. Yeah, you know, 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.320 And check out Kara's new book, How to Extort. 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.439 It's coming out in twenty twenty three. 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.520 I'll show you how to soft roll down those stairs, 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.119 but get a small injury. 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:24.399 It'll be on my Instagram. 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.560 And then Robins gets a ping on her phone and 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:29.800 we got some info and we need you down at 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.280 the station and Cynthia's like, please do not go, and 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.760 Eric goes, n I'm good, Like everything's okay. I didn't 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:40.159 do anything wrong, I swear. So everyone's in interrogation and 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:43.640 then Eric suddenly is super confused because they found kueludes 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.199 in the victim's body, and he goes, isn't that. 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.359 An old person drug? Yeah? It is, So how did 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:50.879 they get there? Was she high with you? 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.239 He says, no, we just had two tequila shots from 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.040 this flask and I drink from it too. 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.439 There's no way they talked. 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.560 They went to his room and then they made out 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.920 and she was into it and she did say yes, 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.400 and you know, like. 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:06.240 They had consensual sex. 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:08.080 And then he goes, I guess my grandpa's right, and 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.720 you need a contract before you kiss the girl. So 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.959 I bet you know Lawrence is really into cancel culture 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:14.920 politics as well. 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:15.919 I'm assuming. 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:20.520 This is yeah in cells are not just young, okay. 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:24.200 So Eric's father barges into the room He says, we're 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:26.760 leaving where you're coming home with me, not to your 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.520 grandfather's and drags his son out his mother's in Italy. 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.359 That's all we really know about her. Now, Benson says, 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.800 Barbara is getting a search warrant, so let's go. 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:38.840 Oh wait, can I also say something? 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.199 A listener sent us a video, but they sent it 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.080 to us in a way that like, once I watched it, 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.600 I couldn't watch it again. But it is Benson saying 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:48.720 Barbara in an episode. 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.520 Well, please send that back to us, guys, I. 0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.560 Need to see as a permanent video. We need to 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:54.919 see that. 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.480 I'll try to find the message and right back. But 0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.359 like I was, like I watched it and was like, 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:00.760 oh my god, we're not alone. 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:03.240 That's so amazing. 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:06.760 So now we're at fifty fourth Street at the residence 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.439 of Lawrence Hendrix and the girlfriend's like, oh no, what 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:10.120 should I do? 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.960 Oh my god? And she's a bimbo love her? Did 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:13.679 you find out if? 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:13.920 Yes? 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.760 Okay, So she I've seen in tons of stuff. 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:21.680 So her name is Jackie Debateon or Debatan, and she's 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.280 Elizabeth the stripper in many in three episodes of the Office, 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.919 which you might remember her from But also, do you 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.480 remember the character doctor Armand on Kroll Show? 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.720 Did you ever watch that? Yeah, like she plays his wife. 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.520 I think like she's like I think she has like 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.560 a bunch of like fake plastic surgery and stuff like. 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:39.040 So I've seen her in a ton of stuff. She 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.439 has a hundred credits, like this bitch works. 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.240 The Kroll Show was so good. 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.040 Oh my god. I was like truly upset when it 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.760 got canceled. I loved it so much. But I thought 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.760 it was so good publicity. 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.760 Yeah, I liked those girls with their straws so good. 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.760 Yeah, he's really talented. Yeah, I mean I think he's 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:01.360 put it all into big mouth now. But I would 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:03.960 love another sketch show in the future. But yeah, I 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:05.320 think he's just gonna be working. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:08.240 We'll see him forever, you know, outside of Julia Louis Dreyfus, 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:12.000 I'd say he's the second most talented comedic actor coming 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:12.879 from a billionaire. 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:19.159 Yeah, I mean, she's from more money than him, I think. 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:25.600 But but yeahs billions. I gotta say, when there's nepotism, Well, 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:28.960 I don't know, he might just be millions. 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.399 He's like shipping like he's an heir. 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:35.360 Of he's like a defense guy. Like he's I've read 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.920 a long article about him one time, like he has 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:39.480 he's like the guy you go to. 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:41.000 I don't know. 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.200 I think he sounds a little scary. 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:43.880 But anyway, and. 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.480 Nick, can you tell your dad to get some weapons 0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:47.080 to Ukraine? 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:51.679 That would be great, do a little conference call. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.680 You know what's funny is my brother always, Colin always 0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:56.960 says to Kevin, because my brother Kevin was in the military, 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.240 He's like, Kevin, you majored in defense against the Dark Arts? 0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.280 Can you tell us what's going on in Ukraine right now? 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.120 I just like to talk about the military, like it's 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:07.240 defense against the dark arts? 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:07.840 Okay, go on. 0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.240 You know I messaged with your brother and they said 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.399 he said that him and his fiance were debating about 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:18.040 again getting two ducks and didn't because of my bullying. 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.640 Did you tell them that you were recently talking about 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:21.399 the ducks again? 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:22.600 Oh? Yeah? 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.679 And then I sent him duck emojis. I go, I 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:27.640 was talking about this at the table. 0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:31.680 At Saint Patrick's Stone Creasy finds Condoms. 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.560 We're back, do you guys remember we're at We're at 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:36.520 the residences. 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.400 I'm fifty fourth with a search warrant. 0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:42.920 We're a little we're in the kids room, right, yeah, Eric, 0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:47.880 the teen, Yeah, the teen so careasy finds condoms and 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.800 weed but like no, biggie. But then uh oh, they 0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:52.720 find pills, so they're gonna send the pills to the 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.680 lab and see what happens. Back at the precinct, Benson 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:58.120 is with the victim and she's like, wayludes, I don't 0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.240 even know what that is, and Benson explains it that 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:05.399 they induce a euphoric, hypnotic state and memory loss. 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.000 I just always think of Samantha going it must have 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:10.520 been the ludes or whatever. 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.640 Well not only Okay, so the rumor is Jane Fonda 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.720 has coeludes, so she might have coeloads at her house. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.240 Coeluds are what Leonardo DiCaprio's character was on at Wolf 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:24.800 of Wall Street when he did some of the best 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.639 acting I've ever seen, and like Bendy Bendy walking to 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.200 his car, like the most incredible acting. 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:32.160 And then I think of kludes. 0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.080 I think of Hugh Hefner because I'm going to get 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:35.480 into that. 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.720 I'm going to get into you are, yeah, but also, wait, 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.120 what do you mean about Jane Fonda. 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.240 What do you mean she has coayloads she just keeps. 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.520 I don't know if it was from Chelsea Handler or what. 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.160 But there's like a thing like Jane Fonda has a 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.920 container of coeludes and she might be like the last person. 0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:52.440 Maybe they're fun if you just want to like zonk 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.800 out in your bed or something that a fun company. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.840 I don't think you should drug people. But also how 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.640 much are people doing then you know, yeah, maybe there's 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:03.720 a small amount. Maybe you can micro dose kueludes. Yeah, 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.360 because we also or if it mixes with alcohol or something, 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:08.680 because we have a friend who doesn't love to drink, 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.560 but they do GHB, which is the date rape drug. 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.280 But if it's not mixed with alcohol, I guess it's 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.800 like pretty chill. Or I'm not encouraging people to date 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.360 rape drug themselves in any capacity. I'm just saying, we 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.160 have a friend who date rape drugs himself. Gotcha to 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:25.920 go dancing? 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.600 Don't do anything without supervision of someone who knows drugs 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:31.280 better than you're. 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.160 Doing knocking it out too, you know what I mean? 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.800 But also some of you aren't scared to let you 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.200 know us know when you fucking hated everything we. 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.520 Did, so you know, we'll hear from one of you 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:41.120 or two. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.240 Of you, you know, And I left that sometimes you 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.600 guys write to the Instagram account like we're not the 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:47.239 ones on it. 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.520 I think sometimes they think we're not. 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:52.920 Yeah, I think because I think like my favorite Murder 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.440 and other pods might have somebody else running their ig, 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.360 but you guys need to know that it is us 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:58.080 running our ig. 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.280 Yeah when you go, Yeah, Lisa was pretty terrible in 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:03.160 this episode. 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.200 I'm reading I'm Lisa, I am, I am reading I'm Lisa. 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:11.320 Like all right, So we're back to the kailudes, Benson's 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.880 talking about it. Then she's Benson shows the victim photos 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.520 of the young men. So she's going through the photos 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.560 and she does recognize Eric from the party, So is 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.280 it possible it was him? She says, yes, I for 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:26.480 sure talk to him, and Benson's like, I talked to 0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.880 him too, and he said you had consensual sex and 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:29.960 She's like, wait he did? 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.880 I don't remember that or anything else, like is this it? 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:33.120 Like? 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:33.960 What is happening? 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:34.640 Now? 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.240 Things get even more twisted. 0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.240 Lab results are back, two separate semen samples are inside 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.080 of her, So now two men have like raped her, 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.080 and it's a super sad exchange when Marishka lets her 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:48.480 know and she runs off pissed, like you better find 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.560 these men, and then it's a commercial break style pause. 0:30:51.960 --> 0:30:55.120 Now finally Eric has a lawyer for such like rich 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.960 rich people. It's weird that he was everyone's just gibber 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.920 jabbering with the police. And yeah, like with Cynthia being 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:06.120 so scared of people coming after their money, it's weird 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.880 that they just let their nephew go without anything. 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:12.600 But I'm sure Cynthia knows more than she lets on. 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:17.560 So the actor who plays the lawyer is Rafael Subarge 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.000 and he has one hundred and seventy seven IMDb characters. 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.120 He looks super familiar, but he's not. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.920 So yeah, I don't think I've seen stuff he's been in, 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:28.760 but I like hated him on the show. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.640 I was like, ugh, oh, yeah, I confused him with 0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.560 someone else that looks like him. But he was in 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.640 Dexter in season five, is like an IAB type of guy. So, 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.000 and he's been in like SVU Law and Order la 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.480 oh yeah, was in another SVU called Wanna Bee in 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:50.680 twenty ten. So I don't know, but he's working okay, 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:51.960 I thought of look familiar. 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:53.200 He didn't. He's not. 0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.080 I don't know this. I do not know this man. 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.520 Sorry to this man, Sorry to this man. Kiki Palmer 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:03.960 another SVU. Okay, he's being cocky, like, you're not arresting 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.560 my client because another suspects, so shut up, and they're like, actually, 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.400 we found Kloe ludes in your client's room and in 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:12.720 her butt blood, so we have every right to fucking 0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:16.120 arrest your client right now, So cooperate and let's figure 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.680 this out. Was there anyone else in the room? And 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.840 Eric go's like a gangbang No, when I liked that, 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.920 So what fucking happened to her? He said that she 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.520 like he fell asleep, and Amanda's like, you didn't walk 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.440 her out or ask for her number or anything. So 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.520 he goes listen, when I woke up, she wasn't there, 0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.560 and they're like, yeah, she was here reporting a rape, 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.760 and Eric is getting annoyed. And then we pull back 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.680 to see like this, you know, the spy crew, and 0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:43.880 Benson has thick rimmed black glasses and she gets the 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.520 Emmy report and now we have another twist. One sample 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.640 is eric sperm, so we have that. The other is 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:57.720 a familial match. So it's either granddaddy or Eric's father, Larry, 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.400 and he's you know, the dad did shut down the 0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:05.880 first interrogation, so the plot definitely thickens. Now Kriese goes 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:07.760 to talk to the dad and they're jogging up a 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.880 windy like staircase as he explains he worked for the 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:15.040 family business but now works for the charitable foundation because 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:16.800 he wants to stay away as far from the business 0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.000 as he can. He does not like the grandpa. He 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.840 does not think Grandpa's a good influence on Eric. And 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:24.920 they have a warrant for the dad's DNA and they 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.960 swab his ass and that's that. Now there's a warrant 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.719 for Lawrence's DNA too, And you know my favorite when 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.320 they go into a giant boardroom meetings to humiliate a 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:37.280 man in authority. And so in front of this giant 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:40.360 desk of people, Cynthia is there, everyone's there, Amanda's like, 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:44.280 open wide, please, But before he swabs, he says, I 0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:48.640 had sex with that girl in front of everybody, and 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:52.200 Amanda goes, oh, you did. You didn't mention that before, 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.239 And he goes, why should I My sex life is 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:58.080 nobody's business, and it's like, well, when there's an investigation, 0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.880 you would mention it, like what the I hate him, 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:02.880 I hate him, I hate him, I hate him. But 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:07.160 he's admitting having sex with like this young girl, and 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.400 the other employees are uncomfortable, grossed out. They're like covering 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.319 their eyes, like they do not like him, they hate 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.840 his body, they hate him. Then Cynthia goes like, you 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.839 don't have to answer Amanda's questions. But it's like no 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.319 one even asked him a question. He volunteered all of 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.719 that information, like people just came for DNA, so no 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.759 one's asking him any questions. He's just truly talking and 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:29.799 bragging in front of all of these employees who are 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:33.440 sad to be around him. But Rollins is like, wait, 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:37.000 so she came on to you before after fucking your grandson, 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:41.240 and he gives her an evil look. So now the victims, 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.520 Sarah and Benson are in the office. So Benson goes like, 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.399 sometimes memories come back in pieces, so we're gonna show 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.920 you some photos and maybe I'll get your memory back up. 0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:51.520 Oh. 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:53.920 So there's a pick of Eric like talking to her 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.400 and showing her something as she's bartending, and she goes, oh, 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.200 I do remember that. It's like this bracelet got from 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.680 Africa made out elephant hair, and she was like, wait, no, 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:04.520 we did have sex. She's like, no, I wanted to 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.480 have sex. And they're like, are you sorry? And she goes, 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.480 oh my god, I'm so sorry. How much trouble did 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.080 I get him in? And Bence is like, none, as 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.400 long as that's what you remember, and that's what happened, 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:15.759 and she goes, but this other man, I don't know 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.239 who that is. There's no way it was consensual. Do 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:20.759 you know who it is? So they are going through 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.480 the photos and then they you know, they see Lawrence 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:25.080 and she goes, there's no fucking way I woult to 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.200 fuck that old man. And he's like, well he said 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.839 that you guys had sex, and she goes, that is disgusting. 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.120 I would never sleep with him. 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.239 And she starts crying and like and they're like, do 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:38.760 you remember talking to him or anything? And then Sarah goes, 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.680 you said you found drugs in Eric's room and Benson 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.279 explains they could have been planted, and she's like, he 0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.759 who would set up their own grandson? I don't I 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.160 don't understand what's happening. So she's having a rough go. 0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.279 So now they they're like, listen, can you please help 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:57.040 us with this investigation? And she's sniffling, but she's like, okay, 0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:01.080 I'll go undercovered, don't worry. So now Sarah as meeting 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.239 Cynthia and old man Lawrence by the water in a 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:07.560 classic sting operation, and he goes, what do you want 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.920 a job or money? Let us know, no hard feelings, 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.200 and her response is like, ah, I don't want money. 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.760 I want an apology, and he says, sorry, you regret 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.960 fucking but hey, it happens. And she's like, no, you 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.280 drugged me, and he says, whatever, you needed to relax 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.920 and you should be thinking me. He says you enjoyed it, 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:27.000 and she says I was unconscious. He then calls her Monica, 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.680 and then Cynthia right away shuts it down and goes, 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:31.600 I think we need to leave too late. You just 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.560 admitted to drugging her. We tape that whole conversation, and 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.200 the detective's outerwear is sick as hell. 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:40.040 Okay, we have a great. 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:45.320 Trench coat peacoat Combo Vibe on Benson and there's twelve 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.959 giant buttons I counted, and three additional clips on this coat. 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.759 This is a lot of hardware. And then Cariese's in 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.440 a camel like pea coat. And with my favorite badge placement, 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.320 you know when they like put it on the side 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.480 on the collar and they clip it on the outside 0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:01.040 of the caller. 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.080 You like that or no? Is that your favorite badge placement. 0:37:03.800 --> 0:37:06.160 Or but I've never you know what, I've never considered 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:07.960 my favorite badge placement, but I love it. 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:09.719 I do love something different. I don't like. 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.279 I did not like the stabler trying to pin a 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:13.640 badge onto a leather jacket. 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.240 So I'm with you on the badge placement. 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:19.080 Oh. Can I also say that Cynthia is a big 0:37:19.200 --> 0:37:21.839 character in Bosh Oh okay, cool? 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.080 Yeah, you really kept that quiet. 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.279 Shit wife Bosh's ex wife, And I was like watching 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:27.520 it was like, wait, how do I know this woman? 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.000 I'm like, Bosh, Yes, I just know. My Bosh beds 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:30.440 that listens to. 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:32.439 This podcast are gonna be like, Kara, we can't believe 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.279 you didn't mention that, And here I am mentioning it. 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.399 Go on, Oh no, this is good. 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.279 So Cynthia, like you could tell his thinking something, so 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.520 hopefully she'll turn on her dad we'll see. But the 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.080 same lawyer runs in, so he's gonna defend dad, you know, 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:51.200 Daddy Lawrence and baby Eric, and they slut shame Sarah 0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.600 and they say that she loves drugs and fucking and 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:57.560 she's just a party girl. Barbara and Benson are doing 0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.840 a walk and talk in the court hallways and they're like, 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:01.920 he's a billionaire. Of course they're going to go for 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.880 her credibility. Barbarbara says, once the jury sees him, there's 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.240 no way they're gonna believe that she would have willingly 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:09.440 had sex with this man. 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:11.640 But uh oh. 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.880 Barbara gets news that Cynthia, the daughter, is filing that 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:20.160 the dad is mentally incompetent to stand trial. So Barbara 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.280 barges into the civil court, where he has no standing, 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.520 but his position is set forth. He's like, this is 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.480 in bad faith, Like they're just trying to do this 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.040 to avoid the criminal charges, and everyone's like, you don't 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:35.080 even belong in the civil court. And then the grandpa 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.839 starts agreeing with Barbara, and we're like what and he goes, yeah, 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:39.920 my daughter's trying to steal my company. 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:40.840 Fuck her. 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:44.120 Barbara and rich people lawyer now are in chambers trying 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.560 to sway the judge in their direction, So, like, is 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:51.719 he capable to stand trial or not guilty? Not guilty? Insanity? 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.640 Like what's happening? The judge says, like, we'll let a 0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:56.520 jury decide and we're going to go for it. So 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:58.480 shut up and get out of here. I'm gonna eat 0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:02.440 my lunch. Benson and Barbara are arguing. They're trying to 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.040 figure out what's up, and they have to prove the 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.440 case on evidence and ship away at the defense because 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:11.040 now the daughter gets what she wants, Like the dad's 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.080 gonna get a free pass on this rape charge and 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.879 she's gonna be in charge of this huge company that's 0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:19.280 been failing, like Cynthia's up to no good. Barba says, 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:22.360 I'm confident and angry, and Benson goes, hell, yeah, I 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:23.520 do like to see you this way. 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:25.000 We have a lot of work. 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:27.360 To do, we have a lot of like games to 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:30.200 play in this court field. But you're gonna you know, 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:32.600 if you're pissed and you feel good about yourself, then 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:36.200 I'm excited. Barbara, now in court, plays the video of 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.319 him admitting the drugging. They cut to Eric's face in 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.360 the courtroom and he makes a face. Okay, it's like 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:44.719 an aha moment. He's like, Okay, what's up. So I'm 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:48.080 kind of optimistic maybe Eric's gonna like figure something out. 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:48.960 Yeah. 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.760 So Sarah takes the stand and she says, like, Honestly, 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.120 when I confronted them about the drugging, I was hoping 0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.960 he would deny it and it would make it like 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.440 not be true. I did not want any of this. 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.160 I hoped it was not true. He tried to buy 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.160 her off and excuse it like it was no big deal. 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:08.640 And uh, you know, he was rational and coherent, and 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:09.760 she adds awful. 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:11.160 So that's what's happening. 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.680 And now it's cross examination, and this lawyer is pretty 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.160 slick and is now going to use all her words 0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:20.279 against her. So you know, she says like, yeah, he 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:23.480 was sick, and they're like, wow, sick, okay, and you're 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.600 saying he was rational and coherent. So in a coherent state, 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.719 he thought there was nothing wrong with drugging women. Like 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:35.320 he seems like maybe he does have some mental problems. 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.080 And it's like, no, he's a criminal, Like I don't. 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:40.960 Of course, like criminals think what they're doing is fine, 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:42.920 but maybe that means you're mentally unwell. 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:44.640 I mean, this is like a whole other I mean. 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.719 You can be so entitled that you're mentally unwell, Like 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:51.800 your sense of entitlement is so huge that you literally 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.120 come off as a person with mental issues. 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.480 Yeah, so now they see what's happening, and it's a 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.279 whole squad meeting in the hallway again like fuck, you know, 0:41:01.360 --> 0:41:04.080 the jury usually needs to hear a victim's account, but 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:05.160 there's quayludes. 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:06.960 But Barbara goes, maybe I have a trick. 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.239 Like the way he acted on this tape, there's no 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:12.320 way this is his first time. Maybe we can find 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.840 another case, and Rollins goes, we've been looking. So now 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.200 they're like, well, maybe the billionaire girlfriend. Can we, like, 0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.320 you know, try to turn her And they're like, against 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:22.840 a billionaire who pays. 0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.880 My Yeah, she's not a billionaire, she's a billionaire's girlfriend. 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:28.719 Yes, They're like, well, it's gonna be really hard to 0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.840 turn her. So now you know, the girlfriend's in Barbara's 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.320 office and Benson is telling her that she's going to 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.040 be charged with tampering of evidence by planting the quayludes 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:40.799 in Eric's room, and there's an FBI report with your 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.160 fingerprints on it, so we'll see you in court at 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:47.759 nine am or you're going to prison. And Barbara she's like, 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.040 that's outrageous and runs off, and then Barbara goes, wait, 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.120 there's no FBI report, is there? Do you even know 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:53.759 if she did it? And she goes, no, but if 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.680 she shows up in court, we'll know. So love that 0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.080 hate when the cops lie. I love when Benson lies, though, 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.879 so naparat And is on the stand saying she did 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.360 place the drugs from Lawrence's to Eric's bedroom and she 0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.160 knows it was wrong, but she panicked and they were like, well, 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.200 how did you even know that he had quailudes and 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.359 she says, well, I use them all the time when 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.880 we have sex. So he drugs his girlfriend to fuck, 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.520 and he only likes to fuck on these drugs without 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:23.120 her consent. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.160 Yeah, that's the fucking thing. 0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:26.080 That's the thing. 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.400 When people are like Bill Cosby, It's or any of 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:31.279 that stuff, it's like they like to be having sex 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:32.560 with someone incapacitated. 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.719 It's not like they can't get women to have sex 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:35.480 with them. 0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:38.800 You know, because this guy has a girlfriend, she'd probably 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:39.840 have sex with him regularly. 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:46.760 But instead he like roofies her ooh dark, and she says, 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.799 like he tries to hide what he's doing, but she 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:51.719 knows and sees and that's that. So her on the 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.160 stand talking about all the old shit that he likes 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.640 to watch and talk about in old Friends, pans to 0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.440 now Lawrence on the stand talking about like that he 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.600 doesn't even know what year it is, and they keep 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:04.759 panning to Eric's face, so we're like, what is Eric 0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:06.320 going to do? Like when is Eric going to be 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:08.920 mad that his dad is I mean his grandpa did 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.360 something like what's going to happen? But basically with the 0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:13.600 old movie stuff and not knowing what year, they're trying 0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.160 to prove that he's not mentally capable to, you know, 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.239 stand trial do this. Doesn't know what he's doing because 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.560 he keeps talking about Jaws, and it's like, all right, 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.080 he calls the pills thigh openers and I have heard 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.560 that before. He says, there's no big deal and if 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:31.840 they're coming to the party, they know what to expect, 0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:35.480 so fuck off. He basically saw her and Eric leave 0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.640 the room after fucking, then had drinks with them, then 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.840 drugged and raped her, and he still thinks it sex, 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:43.240 which is insane. 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:44.879 So I guess maybe he shouldn't. I don't. 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.960 This is so complicated, it's so complicated. He goes, yeah, 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:51.520 it was my turn, and I don't see anything wrong 0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:51.759 with that. 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:52.560 So that's that. 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:56.400 But so now it's Barbara's turn, and he's trying to 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.479 prove that all of this is a fucking phony. Act 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.000 about like that. He thinks it's the seventies and he 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:08.040 only knows about Jaws. Is like, it's not real. So 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.520 Barbara goes, do you have a desktop computer? 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:10.839 Right? 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:12.480 And he goes, yeah, they're great. And he goes, well, 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.560 they didn't exist in nineteen seventy five, you know that, right, 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.200 And he goes, oh, of course we have computers. How 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.880 else would we go to the moon? And then Barba 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.520 shows a photo of his offices in nineteen seventy five 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.040 with not a computer there, and then he goes, but 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.359 you have computers now, right, you have tons of computers. 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:29.799 You know. 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.319 In nineteen seventy five you have twenty two stores. Now 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.080 you have nine hundred stores. You're telling me you don't 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.000 know the fucking difference between that? Do you not understand this? 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.560 Do you like you know? Then Barbara picks up his 0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:41.880 iPhone and goes, do you know what this is? And 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.799 he goes, yeah, it's a phone. And it's like, well, 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:46.280 this isn't what phones look like in the seventies or fifties, 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.080 so how the fuck do you know this is a phone? 0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:50.080 So you guys get what's happening. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.960 And then barbara final question little button goes, did you 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.360 know that drugging and raping women was illegal in nineteen 0:44:56.400 --> 0:45:00.239 seventy five? And the defense tries to object and Barba 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.120 takes the question away. But I don't see how that 0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:03.200 question is bad. 0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.520 I don't know. I don't remember what the objection was. 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:10.560 So now Barba and Benson are telling Eric like the 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:14.520 defense is gonna work, and he does seem insane and 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.520 Benson says, you never told us you had drinks with 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.399 him after Why are you protecting him? And Eric says 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:22.480 because he's a good person, and then his son Larry 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:26.400 is like, no, he's not. He's selfish and disgusting, and 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.200 Eric goes, you're just mad he fired you and my 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:31.840 loser mom had a crush on him, and Larry goes. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:32.880 What the fuck did you say? 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:35.600 And Eric goes, no, what he said was that mom 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.879 was a party girl who likes to have fun. And 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.239 Larry goes, you shut your fucking mouth and don't ever 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.760 talk about your mother that way. And he says, fine, 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.920 but I'm not testifying against grandpa. He says, if you 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.720 need help putting my father away, put me on the stand. 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.400 So I'm excited to see what happens. He knew Larry's 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.640 going to be a hero. So now Larry's on, I 0:45:53.640 --> 0:46:00.200 only keep thinking about Lauren's dad, s Aarry sauce. So 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:03.000 Larry says that he sees his father, Lawrence once a 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:06.280 month at the board meeting, and he knows what fucking 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.880 century it's in. He's faking this because he does not 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.440 want to go to jail. The defense is spinning a 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.279 story of jealousy that the business went from him to 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.719 his sister and he got booted from the company, and 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.080 he goes, no, I walked away, and they're like, well, 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.319 look at this nineteen ninety six news article where you're 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.799 being named COO and there's your wife Monica and the 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.480 old man and you look fucking happy. And then two 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:28.920 months later you're out and exiled and you hold no 0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:31.680 ill will. And he responds it's not a secret. I 0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:33.879 don't like my father, Like what are you getting at? 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.479 And they're like it's clear why this guy is here, 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:38.640 and he's like, I'm here to tell the truth. He 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.920 walks out fast, and Benson says, I know you wanted 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:42.879 to say the truth, but you didn't say the whole truth. 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:46.440 And he says, what are you talking about? And they're like, hello, Monica. 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.239 Benson reveals the Monica tape slip. Why would he call 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.200 Sarah Monica? He says that was probably a mistake, and 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:56.320 she pushes the dad and was like, no, you got divorced. 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.920 What happened? What did your father do? So they're just like, 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.399 come on, dude, help Whatever your reason for not being 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.640 open is, we get it. But Eric is protecting his grandfather, 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.279 so you need to make sure Eric knows what kind 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.440 of man his grandfather is. When you know, the grandfather testifies, 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:13.719 we cut to Eric on the verge of tears like 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.279 I'm sorry, he just made a mistake, you know, and 0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:20.320 his father stands behind him, and then we have Barbara 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:22.960 and Benson together and Barba's like, you lie to the 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.239 cops so I can charge you with obstruction, just so 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:27.279 you fucking know and he lied that. You know, he 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.439 had drinks with the grandpa and Sarah and he saw 0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:30.960 that happen. 0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.480 So they're just like, we're gonna charge your dumbass. 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.520 Larry is like, just tell them if you know something, 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.080 and he spins his head around so fast and says, 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.560 you want to put your father in jail? I wouldn't 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.400 do that to you, And Larry's like, well I don't 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.440 deserve it, lol, And Eric's like, because you're boring and 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:51.479 Grandpa is a fun life, or because Cynthia is in charge, 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:53.600 and Larry's like, I just didn't want to see him, 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:55.839 like see him. I hate him and I didn't want 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.640 to come in every day at work and see him. 0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:59.560 And Eric goes, what did he ever do to you? 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:03.399 And find it comes out and basically he drugged Eric's mother, 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.399 his son's, his daughter in law, and raped Eric's mother 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:08.120 so while she. 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.560 Was pregnant with Eric. Wow. 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:15.560 Horrible, not that it's like better or worse, but it's 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:17.320 like an added level of horror. 0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.919 I feel like, well, the horror. 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.560 Is like for Eric where it's like you're protecting this 0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.359 guy who truly like didn't care if you lived or died, 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:30.120 and drugged your mom, Like god, yeah, So he's still 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.560 not getting it though, it's like very annoying, Like this 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:36.200 kid is a fucking idiot. Benson explains. When he sees 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.480 someone younger than him with someone prettier, he can't stand it, 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.600 you know. And then Larry goes, your mom was radiant 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.480 and we had a party and he drugged and raped 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:47.920 her and they never got over it, and that's why 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.719 they split, and that's who he is. And so Eric 0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.319 finally is getting it maybe but can't really believe it. 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.600 And we're at court part fifteen. Finally Eric tells the truth. 0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:00.880 He says he wanted to walk Sarah out, but Grandpa 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:02.719 was waiting by the bar. He already made a few 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.719 drinks and proposed a nightcap, and he grabbed one and 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.239 Grandpa said, no, that's not for you, and then he 0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:11.960 gave that one to Sarah. Also, he knows it's twenty sixteen, 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.960 and Eric says yes, and that he likes that Eric 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.480 can relate to younger generations and even asked him to 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.640 do like a market thing with Pokemon Go. So he's 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.480 with it and he gets it. And what else did 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.080 he say that night bar? But asked and The response 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.040 was that he winked at him and said, God, I 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:31.520 missed the old days. He then apologizes to Sarah as 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.440 old man Lawrence jumps up and screams, you're just as 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.640 soft as your father, and I was trying to show 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:38.680 you how to be a man. And you don't apologize. 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.080 You take what's yours and you don't have what it takes. 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.880 Benson touches Sarah's shoulder, and now they caught to like 0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:48.680 everyone watching laptop news viewing, and he has been found guilty. 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:52.760 A call comes in and Creasey answers. Rollins asked, Benson, 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.560 do you think this generation is better? And Cariasey says, hey, 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.400 rape just happened at a bar, and Benson says, nah, 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.280 I don't think anything is better different, it's just younger. 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.480 Then Benson answers a call, and then another phone rings 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:06.399 as like the lights turn out and it's this thing 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.640 of like everyone's getting raped all the time, and that's 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:10.400 dick wolf baby boom. 0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:13.239 Yeah, this is a twisty episode. 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:17.000 I think, like the reveal about Eric's mom's rape was 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.080 like I remember when I watched this episode, I was like. 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:23.160 Damn yeah, and I you know this obviously is a 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.040 newer episode based on a newer style crime that I 0:50:26.160 --> 0:50:28.760 really like. I know the names involved, and I remember 0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:30.920 the news, but I really don't know anything. 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:35.280 So I'm really intrigued to know the story. 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:39.839 Kara, Well, a few words from our sponsors and I'll 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:55.480 be right back to tell it. This is a that's 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:58.759 what's up first where you'll see who our guest is. 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.040 But I was able to fully verify what. 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.759 This episode is based on, as well as get the 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.200 same resources that were used in putting this episode together, 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.520 because this is listed in some places as being based 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:17.080 on Trump, but apparently that's not really true. We know 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.520 for a fact that this episode is based on a 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.640 few different stories, but in part, the Lawrence Hendrick story 0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:27.200 character excuse me, is based on Sumner Redstone, who is 0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:30.520 a billion it was past tense, a billionaire businessman and 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.920 media magnate. Someone who knew him described him in this 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.520 article from USA Today that I read as the image 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:40.359 of a Grandpa butt, the attitude of a viper so 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:45.200 very similar to this character that you saw. He was 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:50.320 the founder and chairman of Viacom, or the second Coming 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:53.800 of Viacom, basically, which was dissolved in twenty nineteen, a 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.520 year before he died, and he was the majority owner 0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.200 and chairman of National Amusements, theater chain, which was his 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.480 father's business. And so through National Amusements, he was this 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:08.600 majority voting shareholder at ViacomCBS. Viacom owns CBS the channel. 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.040 They later became the parent company of Paramount Pictures. And 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.800 underneath Paramount is like Nickelodeon and a bunch of other stuff, 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:20.319 MTV all that's part of Viacom, MTVVH one country music channel. Oh, 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.600 and he owned Blockbuster some in the Redstone, like owned 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:24.239 the Blockbuster at some point too. 0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.560 Well that makes sense, that's just funny. And what kind 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:28.319 of name is that? 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:28.919 Some nerve? 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.600 That's not real? Well, what you know, what's weird? 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:34.520 He I thought, some in Redstone this is probably a 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:38.799 Southern man from like you know, Mayflower descendants. No, this 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.239 is a Jewish man whose family changed their name from 0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:46.000 red Rothstein to Redstone, which apparently is what it means 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.200 or something. And then Sumner is such a like a 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.720 rich man. I mean some tho sounds like fulk sumptera 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.000 or something like. It sounds to me like just I 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:55.759 don't know what the first name comes from but a 0:52:55.800 --> 0:53:00.640 Jewish man from like Massachusetts, and his family is still 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:04.960 the majority of voting shareholder at Viacom. Apparently so. According 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.759 to Forbes, as of April twenty twenty, he was worth 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.799 two point six billion, although some places I read it 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:12.920 was a little bit more. 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:13.200 So. 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:13.799 I don't know. 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.760 Maybe it's his personal fortune versus business fortune, but anyway. 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.120 He died in August of twenty twenty at the age 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.040 of ninety seven, after saying for years that he would 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.280 live forever. Like his whole thing was, I'm gonna live forever. 0:53:24.320 --> 0:53:27.800 I'm never gonna die. And in January of twenty fourteen, 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.600 he told the Hollywood Reporter, when asked about who would 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.919 succeed him, he screamed, and he was like, I will 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:34.200 not discuss succession. 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:36.000 You know why, I'm not going to die. 0:53:36.800 --> 0:53:40.799 Well, sorry to say his prediction was not true. So 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:44.560 he became the executive chairman of both CVS and Viacom. 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:46.160 I just said CVS. 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:50.360 So he became the executive chairman of CBS and Viacom. 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:52.000 So you know that's a deep joke. 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:52.719 Do you remember that? 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.359 No? Wait, who's the hot one? The hot evil one 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:57.000 with no soul? 0:53:57.360 --> 0:53:57.879 I had Dan. 0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:01.800 Yeah, Dan was talking and who's my girl? 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.399 What's her name? Anna Clumpski? I forgot what her name 0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.120 is on the show. But so her. 0:54:06.120 --> 0:54:08.799 Sister and Dan are at the bar and she says, oh, 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.200 I work at CBS. But he heard CBS and he 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:15.480 wanted to work as a correspondent, and so he fucked 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.640 her to like get a job, and then she was. 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.200 Like, yeah, I mean you can work nights. We're looking 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:21.640 for someone. 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:22.920 So we thought he was going to do the nightly 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.160 news and then he fucked somewhere that worked at CBS. 0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:27.560 Oh so good. 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:34.960 So an interesting little backstory on Sumner Redstone is that 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:38.400 he did survive a fire at the Boston Copley Plaza 0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:42.319 hotel that was started by a disgruntled teenage bus boy 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:46.600 wild and he survived by hanging from a third story 0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:50.920 ledge out the window. And he somehow survived this fire, 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.320 but he had he had burns over forty five percent 0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:55.480 of his body and they were like, you'll never live 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.399 a normal life, and he was like, yes, I will, 0:54:57.440 --> 0:55:00.239 and he basically did almost fully recover. He has kind 0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.200 of a gnarled hand, but he's obsessed with tennis and 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:07.080 so he somehow has a tennis racket, like strapped to 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:09.960 that hand that he plays tennis like every day. He 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.360 was playing tennis like every day when he was able 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:15.880 to for like years, even though he had this horrible injury. 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.880 So anyway, eight years after this fire, he takes control 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.799 of Viracom after a four month hostile takeover in like 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:26.720 nineteen eighty seven, I think it was so in twenty 0:55:26.760 --> 0:55:30.680 fifteen is around when people start speculating about his mental health. 0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.920 His public appearances are very rare, except for visits to 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:38.319 a few Hollywood restaurants like Dan Tana's, Craigs, and Il Piccolino. 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:42.640 I've been to Dan Tana's, It's whatever. I've never been 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.359 to Craigs, but I do hear that that's a very 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:46.080 good place to go if you want to see celebrities. 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:47.839 It's just like a place celebrities go. And I've never 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:49.759 been to Il Piccolino. I don't know where it is, 0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:53.279 but he apparently would eat with his hands in such 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.520 a disgusting way that the staff at Il Piccolino nicknamed 0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.560 him the Beast, which I just like cannot get over 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:01.759 being worth billions of dollars and like eating like a 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.920 disgusting monster. But here we are, and a friend said 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.640 that he would be horrible to waiters, like scream at them. 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:10.400 So again, like you have to think, this is like 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:12.000 a bad person. You have all the money in the 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:14.960 world and you just like treat service people terribly. So 0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:18.080 there's all these conflicting accounts around this time about his 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:21.000 mental fitness. Some people are saying, oh, no, he's out 0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:22.160 and about at restaurants. 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:23.520 He's got this amazing memory. 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:25.959 He remembers everything he said from two weeks ago word 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.840 for word, and others are like, that is complete bullshit. 0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.280 He can't walk, he can't talk, he eats through tubes. 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.240 And then like apparently for some years before his death 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.200 he had such a hard time talking that he had 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:38.680 like an iPad that was loaded with snippets of his 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:41.520 voice from past interviews that he would just use like 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:44.160 a soundboard, and he had buttons that said like yes, no, 0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:44.840 and fuck you. 0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.040 So what would be on. 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:51.080 Your board that would be your top three? Did Rosie 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:54.239 have a quesadilla that would be would be on there? 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:58.920 Yeah, please stop throwing another I mean there'd probably just 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.279 be a bunch of me being an exasperated parent. And 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:06.640 then also, Liza, have you heard this Okay, so there's 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.560 a lot of drama in the Redstone family about now. 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.719 I'm reading that it's a six point four billion dollar 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:13.759 fortune that he would eventually leave, so who knows. I 0:57:13.760 --> 0:57:15.719 think maybe it's because I'm reading articles that are from 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:18.520 like twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and then later when he did. 0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:19.920 He didn't die till twenty twenty. 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:23.240 Much like the character in the episode, Sumner Redstone had 0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:26.040 two children with his first wife, named Sherry and Brent. 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.680 They're both his children by his wife, Phyllis, who he 0:57:29.720 --> 0:57:31.800 was married to for like fifty seven years and or 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:34.280 fifty four years or something, and then she he just 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:35.760 cheated on her and became. 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:36.200 Like a playboy. 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.240 Suddenly he's like dating all these women after he's in 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:43.160 this fifty plus year relationship with his wife. So he 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:45.280 had a major step falling out with his son Brent, 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.320 just like in the episode. They did not speak as 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.200 of twenty fifteen, and they hadn't spoken for years, and 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.480 Brent had sued his father and National Amusements in two 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:56.400 thousand and six essentially for trying to cut him out 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.800 of the family business. That was eventually all settled and 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:00.720 Brent went to live on a large ran in Colorado. 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.200 I don't think there was like a you raped my 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:05.040 wife a moment like in the show, but he was 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:07.680 definitely a strain from his son Brent. And then Sherry 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.040 and Sumner have a very public like up again, down again, 0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.400 on again, off again like feud with each other because 0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.640 she's very involved in the businesses and she's always been 0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:18.840 vying for control of the company, and a lot of 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.000 people consider her to be the heir apparent to his 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:23.160 you know fortune, that she was going to succeed him 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:26.360 in his positions on all these boards. But they feuded 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:28.800 all the time, and he reconsidered her as his successor. 0:58:28.840 --> 0:58:30.920 So there's all these times where he's cutting her out 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:32.760 of her will, putting him back, putting her back in 0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.800 like all this up and down drama with this family. 0:58:35.840 --> 0:58:38.560 I don't watch the show's Succession, but I bet it's 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:43.880 kind of based on all of this, but less gnarled bodies, yes, 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:49.080 with not a naral body thing, but more TV yes, 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:54.400 a little bit more photogenic. Sherry was vice president of 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.040 both boards, and then for a while she and her 0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:01.320 father were only communicating through faxes, which is very of 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:01.840 a time. 0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:04.320 So then, according to Vanity Fair. 0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:07.680 Redstone always had a wandering eye, and someone who knew 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:10.360 him well was quoted in this Vanity Fair article saying 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.480 he does think he's God's gift to women, which is 0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:15.960 hilarious if you see him, especially after I've heard about 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.520 how he eats as well. So allegedly he was with 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:20.720 a mistress the night of this fire, even in nineteen 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:22.960 eighty seven. I don't know what happened to her. I 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:24.320 don't know if she survived the fire. I don't know 0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.000 if he said, hey, hang out this window with me. 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:29.280 But he divorced from his first wife in nineteen ninety 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.360 nine after a PI caught him that the wife hired 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.720 caught him canoodling in Paris, and Phyllis got one hundred 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:37.000 million dollars in the divorce. 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:40.200 So nice, nice work fifty years with this man and 0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:41.040 you got one hundred mil. 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:44.880 Then he dated Christine Peters, a Hollywood producer who did 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:46.360 make the movie How to Lose a Guy in Ten 0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:47.800 Days and. 0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:50.440 My Favorite movies. I've seen it so many times. 0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:50.920 I love it. 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:52.280 I wanted to bring it up because I thought it 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.520 might be a fave of yours. And they him and 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:58.720 Christine were once engaged, but the engagement was called off 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:01.880 after she refused to fly with him to Dubai on 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:04.000 a minute's notice when she was in the middle of 1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.400 producing a movie. So I think he wanted a woman 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:08.840 who was more like at his becking call, and Christine 1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:11.640 was not that gal, so engagement over. Then he had 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:14.520 a relationship with this woman named Manuela Herser. She's a 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.560 very important person to his story. And she said, oh, 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.160 age didn't matter. They had instant chemistry. He was so 1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:23.200 amazing and treated her well. He took her children in 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.800 as his own and all this stuff. But she did 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:29.000 never wanted to get married, and she put her kids first, 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:34.320 which Sumner hated, and so they ended up breaking up romantically. 1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:37.040 But she stayed on for a very long time as 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:41.320 like an advisor to him and like a companion. People 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:44.760 called him her her his companion, even though he'd have 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:49.240 other girlfriends. So his business thought, like all his business people, 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:51.320 were like, you need to be married, like it's better 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:53.080 for your image, Like you need to be married. So 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:55.800 he ended up getting introduced to this school teacher forty 1:00:55.840 --> 1:00:58.440 years younger than him. They got married, were together for 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:00.680 five years. He kept telling man, well, how much he 1:01:00.760 --> 1:01:03.320 hated the marriage, and then they eventually got divorced and 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.640 she got five million. He wanted to get back with 1:01:05.720 --> 1:01:08.720 Manuela after that, and she's like, not dog, I don't 1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:11.040 want I don't want to ring. And so instead he 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:13.240 would take her to dinner parties and just ask her 1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:15.400 opinion of other women and be like, who do you 1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:17.280 what do you think? And she was like, I don't 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:19.040 want to do this anymore. She got tired of it. 1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:22.959 She said, quote, this is humiliating and embarrassing, and then 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:27.280 I thought this was amazing because I'll get In twenty ten, 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:32.080 Patti Stanger, the host of the Bravo show Millionaire Matchmaker, 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:38.120 introduced Redstone to her longtime friend Sidney Holland. And I 1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:40.200 used to watch that show. I was like a religious 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.960 Millionaire Matchmaker show. I just love that this woman goes 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:45.160 I have a ninety nine percent success rate, and not 1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:47.760 one single relationship on her show ever worked out. So 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.000 I was like, I guess that the show is just 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:53.000 about showing the one percent. But she, I for some reason, 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:53.840 was into the show. 1:01:54.040 --> 1:01:54.200 Yeah. 1:01:54.240 --> 1:01:56.520 I just always remember her being like, you have curly 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:57.280 hair straight in it? 1:01:57.760 --> 1:01:58.000 Yes? 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:00.040 No, I'm like hair straight in it? 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:03.600 Yeah, And she would call little women spinners, like she 1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:05.760 would call like any woman that was tiny and petititch, 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:07.320 she would call them a spinner, which I thought was 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:09.000 like gross, And she'd. 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:10.880 Always be like gross and I know, like those who 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:14.920 don't do teach, Like I get that, but it's like, yeah, you're. 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:18.880 Single as fuck, Yeah yeah, yeah completely, But I mean 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:20.800 I didn't realize that she was in with people of 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:23.640 such like he is so so rich, this man and 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:26.600 so powerful and entertainment. So she actually did introduce him 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:28.480 to her friend and they started dating. 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:30.920 Like is it cool to want my Like is it 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:33.959 like we both know one person? And in her mind 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:35.720 she was like I am gonna end up with someone 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:39.160 rich and only went out with like finance people tech, 1:02:39.400 --> 1:02:41.320 like that's what she was looking for. So is that 1:02:41.400 --> 1:02:43.520 like cool you know what you want? You don't want 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:45.880 to work in money? Or are you like a gross person? 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:47.080 I can't really decide. 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:50.680 I don't know. It feels a little gross, but I 1:02:50.680 --> 1:02:52.760 don't know, uh. 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:55.040 Because like you there guy, it's like he's disgusting. He 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.520 doesn't know how to eat, he's mean. He treats people like shit. 1:02:58.040 --> 1:02:59.840 You need to be like a servant to him, Like 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:04.560 what else is like, these people just want money, right, yeah. 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.560 But they claim, oh my god, we had such a 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.959 he has such a Okay, So so she starts going 1:03:08.960 --> 1:03:11.880 out with Sidney. Holland starts going out with Redstone. I 1:03:11.880 --> 1:03:14.320 think she's in her early forties at this time. And 1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:17.480 he took her to catch in Santa Monica, big seafood restaurant, 1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:21.360 and that Stanger thought that Holland and Redstone would hit 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:24.600 it off because Holland says, Sumner has an amazing sense 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:28.560 of humor, a quick wit, and is incredibly intelligent. And she, 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:31.040 meaning Patty, knows that that's the kind of things that 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:33.320 I like. This is also a quote from this Vanity 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:38.920 Fair article. Sidney loves Sumner. She doesn't see his age, 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:41.200 and in this article she goes, he has great skin 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:44.400 and hair, and it's like disgusting because first of all, 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:48.320 he dyes his hair this like trump carrot colored like orange. 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:51.480 He has his face looks like it's melting, and so 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:53.640 I don't know about the skin thing. And the guy 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:56.080 gets a haircut every single day, every single day, a 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.080 man comes to his house and cuts his hair, which 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:00.560 I think is so weird and excessive, like hair doesn't 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:03.960 grow in a day, but whatever googled. 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:05.800 Photos of him and it's like, I don't know if 1:04:05.800 --> 1:04:07.800 he looks better or worse than what I had in 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:09.000 my head, Like I don't know. 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:13.200 Yeah, I mean, it's like you can't be like he 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:14.760 has great hair, a great skin. 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:16.280 I mean, it's just so wild. 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.680 I mean, I don't want to talk badly about someone's appearance, 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:21.200 I guess. But these women are clearly in it for 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:26.400 being taken care of and money. So Sumner's daughter, Sherry, 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:28.920 who we've talked about, does not love that her father 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:31.600 is into all these younger women and having younger women around. 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:34.880 And she had a very contentious relationship with both Manuela 1:04:34.960 --> 1:04:38.640 and Sydney, and she had a PI investigate both of them. 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:40.520 And then as of. 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:44.720 Like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, he's with Sydney, but Manuela 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:46.919 is also I think maybe even living at his house 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:49.720 and is his companion. He wants the two of them 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.440 to plan his funeral. He's got all his funeral arrangements. 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:55.400 He wants them executed by these two companions. He doesn't 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:58.480 want Brent or Sherry involved at all, and that these 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:01.080 women are both going to get seventy five million and 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:04.000 then everything went tits up. Both of them got taken 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:07.120 out of the will and Weela was taken away as 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:12.080 his health signatory. Everything like that, and their inheritances that 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:15.240 those seventy five million each was sent to was then 1:05:15.480 --> 1:05:19.200 allocated to charities and suddenly Sherries back in his good graces. 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:21.360 This is how soap opera. 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:21.800 This is. 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:24.600 Sometimes he's just communicating with his daughter via fax, and 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:26.640 then other times he's like kicking his girlfriends out and 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:29.440 he's like, Scherry, you're back in my life. So he 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:33.040 ended up splitting with Sydney in twenty fifteen, threw Manuela 1:05:33.080 --> 1:05:36.480 out of his house, and in twenty sixteen, at age 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:40.680 ninety two, he finally resigned from his company jobs following 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:45.480 a court ordered examination by a geriatric psychiatrist. So he 1:05:45.640 --> 1:05:48.360 was succeeded by Les Moonvest at CBS, who we know 1:05:48.480 --> 1:05:52.480 had a full me too scandal, and Philipe Domon at Viacom. 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:54.400 And when I worked at Viacom, we would just get 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:56.800 emails from Philippe Domon as if he cared or knew 1:05:56.800 --> 1:05:59.360 who any of us, like permal answers were. I was like, oh, 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:01.320 this is a man who makes like sixty million dollars 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:03.160 a year, just sending me an email like he cares 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:07.160 about me. And then yeah, both of the women ended 1:06:07.280 --> 1:06:10.960 up setting privately with Redstone's family, and I'm sure they both. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:11.680 Got decent paydays. 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:13.320 I don't know if they got their seventy five million 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:16.160 that they were promised, but they both got money from 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:19.040 the family. And now, yeah, now his daughter kind of 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:22.080 runs things for him and for the National Amusements and 1:06:22.120 --> 1:06:25.200 all that. But this episode's also based, of course, on 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:29.520 Bill Cosby and Hugh Hefner, which are I'm not going 1:06:29.600 --> 1:06:32.720 to get so so deep into the Cosby case because 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:34.520 it's a huge case and I believe there are other 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:41.600 episodes based on it. But essentially what happened was in 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:44.600 the research that we were that was shared with us 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:48.320 Hugh Hefner's ex Holly Madison, who was his main girlfriend. 1:06:48.360 --> 1:06:50.000 He would call her the love of his life. She 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:51.919 was his main girlfriend on The Girl's Next Door, which 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:53.960 is an e show. Lisa and I have referenced many 1:06:54.000 --> 1:06:57.000 many times. We both were fans, and she wrote a 1:06:57.040 --> 1:07:00.520 tell all book after they split up, and she's been 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:02.680 married to somebody new for like almost a decade now, 1:07:03.080 --> 1:07:06.240 and she described her first meeting with Hugh Hefner was 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:09.440 him offering her quailudes and he said, quote, they used 1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:14.160 to call these thigh openers, so that's where that came from. 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:17.440 In the episode, she had a lot of problems with Hefner. 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:20.000 She said he was manipulative and emotionally abusive to her 1:07:20.040 --> 1:07:22.200 and the other women in the house, and he would 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:24.080 pit them against one another and that was kind of 1:07:24.120 --> 1:07:26.320 his whole thing there was. 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:29.360 Yeah, it was really fucked up, like those were his girlfriends. 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:31.120 Yet he kept being like, you're too ugly to be 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:32.000 in the magazine. 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:33.280 Yeah. 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:35.880 Yeah, they were never in the magazine. 1:07:35.640 --> 1:07:37.480 Not until the show, and then when the show was 1:07:37.520 --> 1:07:38.720 such a hit, I bought it. 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:39.920 It was like the three of them. 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:42.320 On the cover together, I remember, and then they each 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:44.760 had their own like, you know, Kendra had a sporty one, 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:48.160 like they each had their own little spreads too. 1:07:48.000 --> 1:07:50.400 But all together. And you know, Bridget had. 1:07:50.320 --> 1:07:52.880 To go to school so she missed the shower shoot 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:53.760 and she didn't think. 1:07:53.600 --> 1:07:54.040 It was fair. 1:07:54.080 --> 1:07:57.000 I mean, I remember all of this, but he was 1:07:57.040 --> 1:07:59.680 like I remember them being like yeah, he just said 1:07:59.720 --> 1:08:01.760 I'm not good enough to be in the magazine, and 1:08:01.800 --> 1:08:04.240 it's like, okay, I can that's what he's doing on camera. 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.880 I can see the manipulation and like, yeah, that he's 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:11.640 tearing these women down or whatnot. Yeah, completely, And they 1:08:11.640 --> 1:08:15.000 had like curfews, yeah, because I remember they had a 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:16.760 friend in Vegas and they flew for her party and 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:18.400 they had to fly back that night because they were 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:19.920 not allowed to spend the night in Vegas. 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:20.439 No. 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:24.080 Yeah, And I definitely got like the vibe of, you know, 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:27.960 Sue Anne. The character seems like she's a little bit 1:08:28.000 --> 1:08:31.920 based on Sydney Samona Rebinstone's girlfriend who's like, yeah, no, 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:35.000 I love him, he's great, But then also a little 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:39.640 bit off of like Hughefner's girlfriends that were probably like, yeah, 1:08:39.720 --> 1:08:42.240 I maybe I had to take some quayloads here and there, 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:44.600 you know, like to just do what you have to 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:46.720 do to like be with a billionaire or whatever. So 1:08:47.880 --> 1:08:49.960 there was also a claim of a rape at the 1:08:50.000 --> 1:08:52.360 Playboy mansion in two thousand and seven from a twenty 1:08:52.400 --> 1:08:54.519 two year old old woman who said she was assaulted 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:56.559 by a seventeen year old male, which kind of matches 1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:58.519 up a little bit with what we think happens at 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:03.400 the beginning of this episode. Hefner said, this girl just 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:05.799 went out partying and came home to an angry boyfriend, 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:07.880 and that's why she's making up this whole thing. 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:10.080 And I think that maybe this woman was. 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:13.840 Like, Okay, if there's not like enough evidence and he's 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:16.360 going to be publicly maligning me, I'm just like not 1:09:16.439 --> 1:09:19.880 going to pursue this anymore. And so she days after 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:23.000 the allegation came out, she said that she didn't want 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:25.679 to pursue the complaint, and investigators said that they could 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:29.280 not corroborate her charges. I don't know how you corroborate, 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.720 you know, like something happening in a room of a 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:36.479 mansion where not anyone else was there, but yeah. And 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:39.519 then in two thousand and eight, a former model named 1:09:39.600 --> 1:09:45.640 Chloe Goins Goins go On Goins accused Bill Cosby of 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:48.519 raping her at the Playboy mansion at a party, and 1:09:48.560 --> 1:09:51.479 she says she then later alleged that Hugh Hefner knew 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.479 about it and did nothing to stop it. She claimed 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:56.720 that Cosby spiked her drink during the party and then 1:09:56.760 --> 1:09:59.080 sexually assaulted her in one of the bedrooms. She does 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:01.960 not remember exactly what happened or the exact date it happened, 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:04.240 but claimed she woke up with Cosby licking her toes 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:05.680 and zipping up his pants. 1:10:06.320 --> 1:10:09.040 Ugh Cosby was also. 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:12.360 As we all know, we all know, he was known 1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.559 to use queludes to incapacitate his victims and basically give 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:17.000 them an amnesia. 1:10:17.120 --> 1:10:18.160 The La County. 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:21.960 DA's office reviewed Chloe Goins's case, but decided not to 1:10:22.000 --> 1:10:26.519 file criminal charges against Cosby because of a uncorroborated facts 1:10:26.520 --> 1:10:30.439 and b the statute of limitations. So she filed a 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.679 civil case and in twenty nineteen, Cosby's insurance company did 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:36.000 settle with her, and Coseby was like pissed and was 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:38.559 like that was not authorized. Like he's mad that his 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.200 insurance company settled with this woman in a civil suit, 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:46.120 because you know, he thinks he's done nothing wrong. Another victim, 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:50.000 former playmate Victoria Valentino, told The Washington Post in November 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:52.760 twenty thirteen, that Cosby drugged her and raped her in 1:10:52.800 --> 1:10:55.240 the wake of her six year old son's tragic death. 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:59.760 Like ugh, Like there's no bottom for these men. And 1:10:59.800 --> 1:11:04.280 then another woman named Judy huff Huth came forward with 1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:07.679 a lawsuit against Cosby in twenty fourteen, claiming he molested 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:10.439 her in the Playboy Mansion in nineteen seventy four when 1:11:10.479 --> 1:11:13.280 she was just fifteen years old, and her civil case 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:16.080 was I think put on hold while Cosby was in jail, 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:17.680 and now that he is out of jail, as we 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.200 all know, there is a hearing in April of twenty 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:23.120 twenty two for Judy's case. For her, I think I 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:26.800 believe it's a civil case. So I mean, I just 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:28.960 don't believe. I believe with her smoke there's fire, and 1:11:29.040 --> 1:11:32.880 like there's definitely gossip like if people if he has 1:11:33.000 --> 1:11:35.960 if three women have accused him of raping them at 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:38.640 the Playboy Mansion, Hugh Hefner had to get wind of 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.840 some of that, Like there has to be, you know, 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:42.040 whispers of that. 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:45.960 People knew on set the like female guest stars weren't 1:11:45.960 --> 1:11:49.960 allowed to go into Bill's like dressing room, and everyone 1:11:50.040 --> 1:11:52.800 was on alert to make sure no one was like 1:11:52.920 --> 1:11:55.960 near him alone, and so everyone knew, And I think 1:11:56.400 --> 1:11:58.639 I think that's why Lisa Bounet was like kicked off 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:00.800 the show and kind of punished because she was like 1:12:00.800 --> 1:12:02.599 this is fucked up, Like. 1:12:02.680 --> 1:12:07.000 Oh, people knew, people knew, Well, it's so true, like 1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:09.559 we've always heard all these people knew, but Hefner's official 1:12:09.600 --> 1:12:13.400 statement to the Hollywood Reporter was, quote, Bill Cosby has 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:15.519 been a good friend for many years, and the mere 1:12:15.560 --> 1:12:18.479 thought of these allegations is truly saddening. I would never 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:21.440 tolerate this kind of behavior, regardless of who was involved. 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:24.960 So he's not saying Cosby's innocent, He's just saying that's 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:27.040 my homie, and if he did this, I'm sad, but 1:12:27.080 --> 1:12:30.600 I definitely didn't know. And as we know of like 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:34.040 of course, in the past recent years, fifteen or more 1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:36.920 women have come forward to claim that Cosby drugged and 1:12:37.040 --> 1:12:39.280 or assaulted. I'm not always at the Playboy mansion, but 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:42.520 I think it's the Hefner Cosby. 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:45.120 Of it all that is what the show used. 1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:48.479 And then, yes, as we all know, Cosby was sentenced 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:52.040 to prison in twenty eighteen, but was released in twenty 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:55.160 twenty one on some kind of technicality and is now 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:57.960 free but not exonerated and does continue. 1:12:57.560 --> 1:12:59.639 To deal with litigation, I think from a lot of his. 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:03.640 Accuser So that's where a lot of the inspo for 1:13:03.680 --> 1:13:07.120 the episode came from. But I'm sure that we'll do 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:10.439 a deeper dive into Cosby in the future because it 1:13:10.840 --> 1:13:16.200 is a very you know, huge case and other episodes 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:18.000 I believe of the show have been based on it. 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:23.000 Thanks for all this info, fucking monsters and very pop 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:26.160 culture heavy. I would say, yes, yes, Pokemon, go to 1:13:26.200 --> 1:13:28.639 the polls. I mean, they're talking about all kinds of stuff. 1:13:29.439 --> 1:13:32.519 But we have a very cool guest. We're so excited 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:34.320 to talk to our guests and they're going to give 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:36.160 us so much ta I'm excited. 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:37.639 Stay right where. 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:45.040 You are, all right. 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:49.040 Today we have a very special guest, someone who is 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.280 responsible for many of the words you have heard come 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:56.160 out of Olivia Benson's mouth. And he is also the 1:13:56.160 --> 1:13:58.960 host of a podcast called Two by Guys. 1:13:59.000 --> 1:14:00.920 He's one of them, and we. 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:02.920 Were just so so excited to talk to him because 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:07.760 he wrote today's episode. So just behold our conversation with 1:14:07.880 --> 1:14:13.000 Robert Brooks Cohen. So you just told us that you 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:16.840 have been listening to the podcast recently, And do you 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:18.640 just sit there and go, No, that's not what we 1:14:18.640 --> 1:14:19.320 were talking about. 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:20.280 That's not what we meant. 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.759 Like, do you just like yell at us when you're listening? 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:26.640 Well, most of the time I fully agree with you, 1:14:26.680 --> 1:14:29.080 and I'm like, yes, yes, yes, But then there are 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:31.320 a couple of times where I'm like, no, no, no, 1:14:31.400 --> 1:14:34.040 that's not what happened. And then a couple times, like 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:36.559 later in the episode, You've you look it up and 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:39.839 you've corrected yourself, and I'm like, oh good, they listened 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:43.040 to me through through space and time. They heard what 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:43.920 I was saying. 1:14:43.880 --> 1:14:47.000 We clean up after ourselves. Do I remember this? Do 1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:48.280 you remember those moments? 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:52.800 I remember you were talking about the gamer Gate episode 1:14:52.920 --> 1:14:56.320 and you were talking about Adam Baldwin, I think, who 1:14:56.400 --> 1:15:00.080 was like involved with the real story. But and I 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:01.840 and I was like, this isn't a mistake you made. 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:03.920 I was just like, and he was on SVU did 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:06.280 you know that? And I was yelling. I was yelling 1:15:06.320 --> 1:15:08.320 like he was on s for you. And then like 1:15:08.560 --> 1:15:11.400 later an hour later in the episode, you you figured 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.880 it out and you you commented on it. Actually, that's 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:16.720 one of the few times I was in Law and 1:15:16.840 --> 1:15:19.559 Order as an extra at the last minute, and I 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:23.000 handed Adam Baldwin a folder. So if you go back 1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:26.120 and watch the episode, I it was a very important folder. 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:26.599 I think. 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:30.000 I hope you got your SAG card from that. Well. 1:15:30.080 --> 1:15:32.719 I loved also an Intimidation game. 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:36.040 I loved Ice, Like learning about Iced Tea and how 1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:39.000 much she loves video games was really cute and I 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.479 enjoyed that little because we know he loves them on 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:43.000 the outside. 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:44.559 Right, and that you know, we all knew that at 1:15:44.560 --> 1:15:47.080 the show, and that was a directive we were given, 1:15:47.400 --> 1:15:51.480 was give give us some video games stuff in this episode. 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:55.720 And actually that episode was on USA last night, right 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:58.840 before we're recording this, which so I obviously stayed up 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:02.040 to watch it. And gosh, some of those video game 1:16:02.080 --> 1:16:06.759 references are a little a little much in hindsight where 1:16:06.560 --> 1:16:10.960 they're like game over, like what were you camping back there? 1:16:11.000 --> 1:16:13.760 It's like, I don't know that. I don't know if 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:15.920 cops really talked that way, but it was. It was 1:16:15.920 --> 1:16:18.800 a fun episode. And also I will say that was 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:22.080 one of the first of episodes of your podcast that 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:25.800 I listened to, was the one about that, because we 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:28.400 got a lot of shit for that episode. I'll say 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:31.040 you are my co writer and like a lot of 1:16:31.160 --> 1:16:36.120 gamers trolled us on social media afterwards and really like, yeah, 1:16:36.280 --> 1:16:37.120 harassed us. 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:41.439 Like IMDb rating of that episode is like shot to 1:16:41.520 --> 1:16:43.160 hell because of the gamers. 1:16:43.240 --> 1:16:45.960 It's the it's the lowest of any s FORU episode 1:16:45.960 --> 1:16:48.200 in history, which I'm kind of proud of that they 1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:51.760 cared so much that they did that. But like, you 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:54.960 guys got what we were trying to do. And I 1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:57.559 listened to that episode and I was like, yes, yes, 1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:00.320 all of the research we did, all of the things 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:02.599 we tried to put in there to just sort of 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:06.840 show people, Hey, this thing that you don't that you're 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:10.640 not paying attention to gamer Gate is actually pretty serious 1:17:10.680 --> 1:17:14.920 and bad and like unfair, and what if these things 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:18.719 they're threatening really happened? What would that look like? Because 1:17:18.720 --> 1:17:22.160 that's what the victims of this harassment are thinking about 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:25.879 at night. They're being threatened with this and it's not okay, 1:17:26.120 --> 1:17:28.040 And like, that's what we tried to do, and you 1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:31.200 guys really got that. So once I listened to that, 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:34.280 I like binged a whole bunch of episodes of your 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.200 podcast and got hooked. But that was only like a 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:39.240 month ago. I had no idea this existed. 1:17:39.880 --> 1:17:42.080 I know, people keep saying they're finding on us, Son, 1:17:42.120 --> 1:17:43.559 I'm like, I don't know how else to tell you 1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:44.280 that we're out here. 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:47.519 I mean, well, now, did you know that that you 1:17:47.560 --> 1:17:49.519 would tweet at us? That it would become the best 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:52.599 thing that's happened to us. We were like so excited 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:55.240 about that tweet. We were so pumped because you know, 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.280 we are doing all this research all the time, and 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.320 it was just nice to get that validation from someone 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:02.880 on the inside being like, no, you're you're doing you know, 1:18:02.920 --> 1:18:04.280 you're on the right track of research. 1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:06.760 I'm glad I could help you out with that. I 1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:09.599 did not realize it, but you're you guys are doing 1:18:09.680 --> 1:18:13.400 such great work. And also the the Porn Stars Requiem 1:18:13.439 --> 1:18:17.120 episode that I co wrote, I really thought you guys 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:19.840 did such a good job breaking that one down and 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:22.080 all the research that went into it. That was another 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:25.360 research heavy episode, and like I was proud of that one. 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:26.520 Thanks. 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:27.040 Yeah. 1:18:27.080 --> 1:18:28.960 So can we go back a little bit, so, like 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:30.240 how did it all start? 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:34.280 How did you get onto Like you started as a researcher, writer, 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:37.560 writer's assistant, and like what was your journey? 1:18:37.840 --> 1:18:42.679 So I went to grad school NYU for dramatic writing. 1:18:42.800 --> 1:18:46.120 I focused on TV writing. I had a couple odd 1:18:46.200 --> 1:18:48.439 jobs for a few years out of grad school, Like 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.599 I wrote voiceover for the History Channel, I like ghost 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:55.720 wrote a how to book, some other random stuff, and 1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:59.559 then like, I through a grad school friend who was 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:04.559 leaving his job as Warren Light's assistant. He recommended me 1:19:04.640 --> 1:19:07.719 to be Warren's assistant. But it was right at the moment, 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:12.599 the exact moment that SVU was transferring to Warren as 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:17.000 the new showrunner, so beginning of season thirteen, so it 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:20.120 kind of worked out. He was hiring a couple writers, 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:24.640 assistant researchers, script coordinators for the show and asked if 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:27.440 I would like to do that. I was like absolutely, 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:31.280 So for the first three seasons I was writer's assistant 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:35.360 slash researcher, just because on that show it's a heavily 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:37.240 research role. 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:40.080 Yeah, had you been and you were a fan of 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:43.400 the show, I'm like, going in, I was a big fan. 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.479 It was always my favorite of the Law and Orders. 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:51.720 I loved the Benson Stabler dynamic, and so like, like 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:55.960 literally two weeks into getting there, they were like, Stabler's 1:19:56.000 --> 1:19:59.080 not coming back. Maloney didn't sign his contract. So I 1:19:59.160 --> 1:20:01.879 was like, oh, we all it was a big moment obviously, 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:05.320 and we figured out some great things to do and 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:08.439 but but yeah, like I was my favorite show growing 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:12.400 up was The West Wing and on Wednesday nights it 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:14.360 was West Wing at nine, as for You at ten, 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:16.839 and so I would watch S for You by default, 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:19.800 and over time just grew to love it. It was 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:22.680 on at like the right time for me in like 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:25.960 high school, basically amazing. I was a big fan. 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:26.400 I was. 1:20:26.600 --> 1:20:30.840 I was very intimidated to meet the cast when I 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:31.759 first met. 1:20:31.560 --> 1:20:35.280 Them, and then so you just like stayed on for 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:38.000 like a few seasons as a writer's assistant and a researcher, 1:20:38.080 --> 1:20:39.800 and then like eventually they were like, hey, want to 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:41.760 try your hand at a script or like how you 1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:43.559 know they just like moved you up or how did 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:44.080 it work? 1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:47.760 Pretty much they I got to write my first episode 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:51.880 during my second season as an assistant, and then I 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:54.559 wrote another one my third season as an assistant. So 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:57.479 those were kind of like the trial periods. And then 1:20:57.760 --> 1:21:02.280 my fourth season through seventh season, I was bumped up 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:05.200 to staff writer and like, yeah, it just kind of 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.560 happened naturally. Actually, like my second season as an assistant, 1:21:08.960 --> 1:21:13.800 I found this weird case law that inspired an episode. 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:17.000 Like I wasn't always pitching episodes, but I'd found this 1:21:17.080 --> 1:21:20.040 story that ended up becoming an episode, but the head 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.559 writer and another writer kind of wrote that and then 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:26.080 I think the head writer, Warren kind of felt bad that, 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:28.200 like I had found that, but I didn't get to 1:21:28.200 --> 1:21:30.479 write it. So he was like, why don't you help 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:35.200 us write this campus, you know, sexual assault episode which 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:38.400 was girl Dishonored. So I wrote that along with the 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:40.400 head writers my first season, and I was kind of 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:43.280 like a trial run. My first draft was like one 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:44.759 hundred pages. It was terrible. 1:21:47.160 --> 1:21:49.479 Sorry, you mentioned the name of the episode, so now 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.479 I have to ask how annoying or do you guys 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:54.920 love having to come up with the name title with 1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:58.679 the amount of letters of the season because it drives 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:02.320 us insane? But how did you feel doing that? 1:22:02.760 --> 1:22:05.160 I was gonna ask if you guys knew had figured 1:22:05.200 --> 1:22:09.280 that out. I haven't heard all your episodes. Yeah, you know. 1:22:09.720 --> 1:22:11.920 It came up in like the first week of the 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:14.559 writer's room, like some writer kind of threw that out 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:18.080 there as I think, half jokingly, like could we do 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:21.400 this and could we do all? Like it's s for 1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:24.000 you two point zero So instead of one word titles, 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:26.880 which it had been, we'll do two words and we'll 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:29.120 make them all thirteen letters. And then it was kind 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:31.200 of like a fun game at first, like can we 1:22:31.280 --> 1:22:34.360 do this, and we learned like we could for the 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:37.360 first batch of episodes we had, so we would and 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:39.719 it was like fun at first, and then by season 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:43.559 like seventeen eighteen, I was like, no, this is so 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:48.080 much good, very annoying, and like, occasionally it leads to 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:51.360 an interesting title that you wouldn't have come up with, 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:53.439 but a lot of the times it led to some 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:57.400 weird titles that are kind of unfortunate. But I don't know. 1:22:57.439 --> 1:23:01.080 Then again, looking back, I'm like, season eighteen nineteen, we 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:05.240 didn't do that. We Warren was not there anymore. He was, yeah, 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:08.040 the one who had kind of implemented that, So season 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:10.280 eighteen nineteen we didn't do that. And I'm like, I 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:14.439 don't know. The titles are a little less creative. There's 1:23:14.479 --> 1:23:20.400 something about a specific formula that doesn't fully make sense 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:24.080 but forces you to think in a different way. So 1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:25.360 I don't know. It was kind of fun. 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:27.519 Yeah, it's like a wordle it's a little bit I 1:23:27.640 --> 1:23:28.599 wor situation. 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:35.200 We talked to Samantha Corbyn and she was telling us, so, 1:23:35.200 --> 1:23:37.599 it's not a traditional writer's room, right, You guys kind 1:23:37.600 --> 1:23:39.439 of go out on your own. And so when you 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:42.519 were researching did they say, like go find this for 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:44.519 us and you'd bring it back or did you bring 1:23:44.600 --> 1:23:46.479 them the info? How did it work without being in 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:47.320 a room altogether? 1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:50.880 Uh, it's a little of both. And like the assistants 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:53.360 were always in the room every day, so for us, 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:56.400 it kind of was more of a traditional room and 1:23:56.439 --> 1:23:59.320 we were around there, and then the more I was around, 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:01.559 like the more or I was promoted, the less I 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:05.360 would come in every day. But yeah, we like I 1:24:05.400 --> 1:24:08.240 would bring in stories all the time, and as the researcher, 1:24:08.320 --> 1:24:12.200 I would send out stories to inspire the other writers 1:24:12.240 --> 1:24:16.240 to find interesting stuff. And uh, so like it was, 1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:18.519 it was a mix of both, Like I think for me, 1:24:18.600 --> 1:24:23.040 I would mostly find stuff and pitch it. But then occasionally, 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:26.080 like there were just big stories that everyone was talking 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:28.519 about that we knew we had to do, and so 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:33.040 we the room would convene, you know, once every couple 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:36.000 weeks when when people were around, we would say come 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:39.280 in and like sometimes those big episodes would just get 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.360 divided up like this is good for you, guys, this 1:24:42.479 --> 1:24:45.679 is good for you. And it was like we were 1:24:45.800 --> 1:24:48.679 rarely all in the room at once, like I guess 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:51.080 a traditional writer's room. Although I've never been in one 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:54.680 of those either, so this is this is my standard. 1:24:55.000 --> 1:24:58.519 But like we would be in a room sometimes to 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:01.120 plan out a season, but then and it's mostly like okay, 1:25:01.160 --> 1:25:03.920 you too, go work on this one, YouTube, go work 1:25:03.920 --> 1:25:06.400 on that one. And then it's like two or three 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:09.920 months you're working on your episode and then you start 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:10.760 over again. 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:14.000 And do you know what judges and defense attorneys are 1:25:14.040 --> 1:25:16.080 going to be their guest stars? When you write or 1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:18.920 you just write general and then it's like, oh, it's 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:21.040 Viola Davis. I mean she was old school, but like 1:25:21.439 --> 1:25:23.320 how do you kind of and then do you tweak 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:25.760 it for the specific characters or how. 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:28.840 You you you kind of discuss all that, like in 1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:31.439 the early stages of the episode, like you come up 1:25:31.479 --> 1:25:34.559 with the story first the crime, like what's it based on? 1:25:34.640 --> 1:25:38.400 How are we gonna involve the main cast? But then 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:41.800 like as you're outlining, probably before you write, you might 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:44.439 say who would be a good defense lawyer for this? 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:48.000 Like maybe the judge is another step down the road 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:51.240 unless it's really vital that a specific judge is part 1:25:51.240 --> 1:25:54.640 of it. And yeah that like you you have your 1:25:54.680 --> 1:25:56.840 wish list, you go, you know, this is a great 1:25:56.920 --> 1:26:00.639 Delaney Williams episode. But then but then halfway through prep 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:04.960 like he may not be available or whatever. So so 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:08.080 there is a lot of rewriting of those kinds of 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:11.439 things in the last week before you shoot, based on 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:13.040 like who's available. 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:15.960 Yeah, that's cool. Wow, it's like a lot of moving pieces. 1:26:16.000 --> 1:26:17.599 It sounds like yes. 1:26:17.560 --> 1:26:20.200 Yeah, well, and sometimes it leads to some great new 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:24.479 people like I don't remember, like Raphael Sabar. What episode 1:26:24.560 --> 1:26:27.200 did you talk about? This episode you talked about Decline 1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:30.000 and Fall? Yeah, yeah, so that was like I think 1:26:30.120 --> 1:26:33.120 Raphael Sabarge Is that how I forget how you say his. 1:26:33.120 --> 1:26:35.400 Namee Oh oh wait, it's it's it's the guy you 1:26:35.439 --> 1:26:37.200 were talking about, Lisa, that you've seen in a ton 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:39.080 of stuff, the guy who plays. 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:39.880 You're a lawyer. 1:26:40.120 --> 1:26:43.880 Yeah yeah, yeah, well, uh we looked about he was 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:48.080 from Dexters, where like I was like, I know that man, Yeah. 1:26:47.920 --> 1:26:50.720 Yeah, Like he was someone who I didn't I mean, 1:26:50.760 --> 1:26:52.320 I knew him as an actor, but I don't think 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:56.240 he had been on on SVU before, and I don't remember, 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:59.479 like you know, we were just creating a new character essentially, 1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:02.120 and he was so great, Like I loved him in 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:05.040 that episode, and he was also such a lovely man, 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:09.000 so like sometimes you know, you you you get a 1:27:09.080 --> 1:27:12.960 nice surprise by not having a plan for those kind 1:27:13.000 --> 1:27:13.640 of parties. 1:27:13.479 --> 1:27:16.439 Right, And was Decline and Fall one of those big 1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:18.800 stories that you guys knew you were gonna like you 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:19.639 all came together. 1:27:20.880 --> 1:27:22.679 I think we got to do it. 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:25.120 It was a big story that like everyone knew about 1:27:25.120 --> 1:27:30.200 this h Sumner Redstone like Viacom story, and it was 1:27:30.240 --> 1:27:34.280 like not fully a sex crime story. So that was 1:27:34.400 --> 1:27:37.639 I mean, it sort of was because he it's very weird, 1:27:37.680 --> 1:27:40.720 creepy guy, but like it wasn't like he was accused 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:42.479 of something at that moment. 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:44.240 It was it was kind of like a what if 1:27:44.280 --> 1:27:47.479 Sumner Redstone was accused of a crime like Bill Cosby 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:48.840 committed kind of you know. 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:51.880 Right, yeah exactly. So I think it was you know, 1:27:51.960 --> 1:27:54.960 when we pitched it was like, oh that that works, 1:27:55.040 --> 1:27:58.080 Like people got it quickly, but it wasn't like one 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:01.080 we knew we had to do. So I think me 1:28:01.200 --> 1:28:05.160 and the writer I wrote that with pitched it. But 1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:08.559 it was a pretty easy like easy yes, you have 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:12.479 more than enough to work with, Go go write it. Yeah. 1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:17.639 Yeah, such a good twist. Okay, that was exciting. Did 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:19.960 you guys high five when you broke that twist or what? 1:28:21.320 --> 1:28:22.120 Oh the twist? 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:25.360 Oh it was he raised it was the daughter in law? 1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:29.360 Oh right, yeah yeah, yeah, oh that was that is interesting. 1:28:29.439 --> 1:28:32.760 I love that twist. Yeah, I almost forgot because. 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:36.280 That even though I know, like that one, you see 1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:38.720 it once or twice and then it's still surprising, like 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:41.240 you're like, wait, oh whoa, yeah, so that was like 1:28:41.680 --> 1:28:43.200 a nice twist you guys came up with. 1:28:43.640 --> 1:28:45.720 I forget, I forget how we came up with it, 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:49.360 but honestly, like it's a twist that is surprising but 1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:53.280 kind of makes sense, and it's it's not something we 1:28:53.320 --> 1:28:57.719 haven't done before, like I was just before we recorded 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:01.360 listening to your interview last week or with Samantha mathis 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:05.240 about the Woody Allen episode, which I also co wrote, 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:08.120 and uh and she, by the way, she's incredible. I 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:12.160 just loved working with her. And that's another one where. 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:15.360 Like, well, I'm not a west wing person, right, isn't Bradley? 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:18.360 And then I guess I should also say anyone from 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:23.000 Arrested Development. I was obsessed with too Ya Tambour. But also, 1:29:23.360 --> 1:29:27.040 you know, you have an actress like Celia Keenan Bolger. 1:29:27.200 --> 1:29:29.759 You know, she's not just going to be the sister 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:33.720 that's in one scene. She's incredible and that was the 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:36.960 twist where she had been abused by this So it's 1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:40.840 actually the same, the same twist that we reused, but 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:42.400 it is a good one and it makes sense. 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:45.080 Oh yeah, I mean SPU reuses a twist and I'm 1:29:45.120 --> 1:29:48.120 still totally like, what, Like, you know it's his sister. 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:51.880 I mean, were you there? Why do I always forget 1:29:51.880 --> 1:29:52.240 his name? 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:52.639 Buster? 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:53.679 What's his real name? 1:29:54.040 --> 1:29:54.960 Oh? Tony Hale? 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:57.000 Were you there for Tony's episode? 1:29:57.280 --> 1:30:00.600 Yeah, Okay, I didn't. I didn't write one, so I 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:03.599 didn't get to like chat with him too much, but 1:30:03.680 --> 1:30:05.720 I like did walk down a hallway with him and 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:06.800 I said hi, and I was. 1:30:06.800 --> 1:30:08.800 Like, oh, so great. 1:30:09.160 --> 1:30:11.880 How much do you like chat with the actors? Like 1:30:12.040 --> 1:30:14.760 when you write an episode, do you like say like, 1:30:14.800 --> 1:30:17.000 here's what we're thinking here, or like let them interpret 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:18.519 it themselves, or like what's the. 1:30:18.960 --> 1:30:22.439 If I'm on set and it's my episode, As long 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:25.479 as they want to, you end up chatting with them 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:27.840 a lot, Like if they want to ask questions about 1:30:27.840 --> 1:30:30.400 the script, I'm all about that, and I will to answer. 1:30:30.880 --> 1:30:33.800 And you know, you're sitting around when you're on set 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.400 a lot, they're they're turning the cameras around, there's breaks 1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:41.320 and so you if the actor doesn't run to their 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:44.519 dressing room, then you're sitting with them for a while. 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:47.559 So uh so, yeah, there there's quite a bit of that. 1:30:47.680 --> 1:30:49.280 I love. I love doing that with that. 1:30:49.520 --> 1:30:53.640 Any any faves besides your West Wing people specifically that 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:54.840 you can remember. 1:30:55.120 --> 1:30:57.519 Well, yeah, I mean there's there's all the West Wing people. 1:30:57.600 --> 1:31:00.200 There was She wasn't in my episode, but Donna from 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:03.120 the West Wing. Janelle Maloney was in an episode. There's 1:31:03.160 --> 1:31:04.960 a lot of West Wing alums who I was like 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:09.759 obsessed with. But you know, this is like a easy answer, 1:31:09.840 --> 1:31:12.680 but it is. The true answer. Is like I was 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:16.759 a huge fan of raoul A Sparza before I got 1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:22.960 to the show, and then we cast him like pretty 1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:25.880 quickly into the time I was there, and I was 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:29.840 so excited and very starstruck and he's just so down 1:31:29.880 --> 1:31:33.200 to earth and I didn't talk to him too much. 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:37.360 He I think he came in season fourteen, not season thirteen, right, 1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:39.559 so there was a year he wasn't there, and then 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:43.920 season fourteen. I didn't talk directly with him much the 1:31:43.960 --> 1:31:46.720 first half of the season because I'm an assistant, you know, 1:31:46.760 --> 1:31:49.519 I want to be in the background and do the 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:51.960 job right and not get in the way. But then 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:54.800 I wrote that one Girl Dishonored, and so then I'm 1:31:54.800 --> 1:31:57.559 sitting on set and he had questions for me, and 1:31:57.760 --> 1:32:00.400 that was really the first time we got to talking, 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:05.639 and it was like, you know, as equals, even though 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:07.479 I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, it's a 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:11.000 parsa asking me real questions, but like I had written it, 1:32:11.040 --> 1:32:14.360 so I had thought about this stuff and done research 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:18.280 and answered questions and we chatted about what, you know, 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:22.160 what these courtroom scenes were about, and like, I just remember, 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:26.120 I remember that day so vividly. I can picture where 1:32:26.160 --> 1:32:30.280 we were sitting and just being getting that experience with 1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:33.200 Raoul and then like from that point on, we were 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:35.760 we were very close and he's one of my favorite 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:37.360 people in the whole world. 1:32:37.720 --> 1:32:40.920 Oh amazing. I love that. So that's a that's a 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:42.400 do meet your heroes story. 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:46.280 I like that well, And should I jump Can I 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:52.479 jump in and meet your heroes about Marishka? Because if 1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:55.120 I'm gushing about Raoul, I should just briefly say like 1:32:56.080 --> 1:32:58.720 she I was a fan of the show. She is 1:32:58.760 --> 1:33:02.719 everything that people say about her and then some she's 1:33:03.360 --> 1:33:08.040 just the she's like a genius actress, Like I think 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.720 she can do anything. But she's also just the kindest, 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:16.760 warmest person. She like took me under her wing, like 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:19.960 once we got to know each other, just like so 1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:24.040 supportive of me. And I could go on and on 1:33:24.080 --> 1:33:27.519 for the entire episode, but she's just like she is 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:29.599 the number one on the call sheet of that Yeah, 1:33:29.680 --> 1:33:33.280 she and and she's the best. Like I don't know 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:35.880 how it could be much better than that, Like she 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:40.320 sets the tone. The tone on that set is so 1:33:40.520 --> 1:33:44.840 great because of her. And she fixes she knows how 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:47.080 to fix problems on the set. She knows how to 1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:50.240 talk to actors, whether she's directing or not, Like she 1:33:50.400 --> 1:33:53.639 knows who to go to to get what done what 1:33:53.680 --> 1:33:56.040 needs to be done. And she's just like the kindest, 1:33:56.320 --> 1:33:57.400 nicest person. 1:33:58.680 --> 1:34:01.400 Pretty magical. I met Baby Coco Chanel. 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:06.479 Yeah, she was around the set a bit when I 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:09.240 was there. She was pretty young, Like I haven't you know, 1:34:09.960 --> 1:34:13.160 spoken with her. Yeah, I think she's only like six now. 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:18.439 But I have a question, like regarding decline and fall, 1:34:18.479 --> 1:34:21.639 because you know you did so kindly share your research 1:34:21.680 --> 1:34:23.800 with me. And I loved that because I was like, oh, 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:25.439 these are probably articles I would have found, but you 1:34:25.520 --> 1:34:29.280 just like did the work for me, and and like, 1:34:29.640 --> 1:34:32.880 so I'm curious about how the show is so based 1:34:32.920 --> 1:34:35.720 on real stuff. Sometimes you see that card at the 1:34:35.720 --> 1:34:37.479 beginning that says, this does not. 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:38.679 Depict any real people. 1:34:39.200 --> 1:34:42.360 A couple times we've seen episodes that say, even like, 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:46.519 while this episode is based on a real event or person, 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:47.680 we have changed it. 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:49.599 Blah blah blah. 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:51.960 How much of a real story is there, like a 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:55.120 certain amount, Like you know, how the WGA. It's like 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:56.840 if you write a certain amount of lines, you get 1:34:56.840 --> 1:34:58.800 the credit for being the writer. Like how much of 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:01.080 it has to be old from real life? Where you 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:04.040 guys have to do that card at the beginning, like 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:04.880 the disclaimer. 1:35:05.400 --> 1:35:08.240 Yeah, And I also saw an episode recently where the 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:10.320 card was at the end. It was like an early 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:13.280 season episode, and it was like the preceding story was fictional, 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:16.160 Like why did it go at the end instead of that? 1:35:17.080 --> 1:35:19.080 It's like, we know what you're thinking. Stop stop that. 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:25.400 I have absolutely no insight into the title card of 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:28.760 it all like I don't know why they're sometimes there 1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:32.920 sometimes not. No clue must be a legal thing and 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:40.400 possibly related to like different legal people each season to 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:43.240 question I can connect to. But I will say you 1:35:43.479 --> 1:35:47.840 we did have to like change Sometimes we would send 1:35:47.840 --> 1:35:50.800 a script over and the legal department would say, this 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:53.240 is a little too close to the story. You have 1:35:53.320 --> 1:35:56.519 to change something, And it would always be a change 1:35:56.520 --> 1:35:59.800 that like any person with a brain can see through 1:35:59.840 --> 1:36:02.880 and knows that's why we're changing that thing. But like 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.040 we still just had to do it just so we 1:36:05.160 --> 1:36:05.680 don't get there. 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:08.320 It's like the Woody Allen episode is such the Woody 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:11.000 Allen I mean like there's no way. 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:12.640 You know, like there's so many episodes. 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:14.640 That at the end there's that Polanski twist where he 1:36:14.760 --> 1:36:15.479 leaves town. 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:20.800 Right. Well, actually some sometimes by combining two stories, that's 1:36:20.840 --> 1:36:25.080 how we got away with it being different. Yeah, the 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:28.120 Woody Allen is like, no, he's a TV director, not 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:30.599 a Yeah, yeah, very different. 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:36.040 He's not Jewish in this one, yeah exactly. 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:40.519 Well, yeah, Wendy, so is combining stories just for legal 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:42.880 or something like American tragedy. I think you were undering 1:36:42.960 --> 1:36:47.280 that where it was like Paula Dene and Trevon Martin, Like, 1:36:47.360 --> 1:36:50.280 how how do you decide what goes together and what doesn't. 1:36:51.000 --> 1:36:54.000 Most of the time we made those decisions not for 1:36:54.160 --> 1:36:58.840 legal reasons, but just for creative choices, like like this 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:02.599 would be a cool mashup, or like thematically it makes sense, 1:37:02.720 --> 1:37:06.760 or it heightens the drama of both of these stories 1:37:06.800 --> 1:37:09.800 to kind of put them together. I can't I don't 1:37:09.920 --> 1:37:14.759 know if that exactly applies to the Pologan Trayvon Martin episode. Yeah, 1:37:14.760 --> 1:37:16.600 I'd have to rewatch it to see if that was 1:37:16.960 --> 1:37:20.120 the right choice. But but yeah, like you know, we 1:37:20.120 --> 1:37:23.040 we liked to do that, and just like you know, 1:37:23.640 --> 1:37:28.519 create as much conflict as you can. I think it 1:37:29.040 --> 1:37:31.240 helps out with the legal stuff a little so that 1:37:31.720 --> 1:37:35.360 it's very clearly not the exact same storyline. Sure, but 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:37.759 I don't think we did those like for that reason. 1:37:37.840 --> 1:37:40.519 It was more like, what if we combine these, that's 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:41.480 a cool episode. 1:37:42.120 --> 1:37:45.200 And like so sometimes when we're doing these, we always 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.679 like look at, you know, when the story happened versus 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:51.320 when the episode happened, and sometimes it's like four months. 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:54.120 Like sometimes it's so quick, like a story hits the 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:56.920 news and then it's on it's airing on television like 1:37:56.920 --> 1:37:59.680 four months later. Would you ever remember a time where 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:03.320 they were like, oh, snap, like hurry sham maney Ramsey 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:05.599 just happened like get like write it up, like. 1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:07.720 Was you know, was there ever like that kind of thing? 1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:11.599 Yeah? Oh, that happens all the time. And it's like, oh, 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:15.840 you've been working on your episode for months, you're getting 1:38:15.840 --> 1:38:17.559 pushed back a month because we have to do this 1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:21.320 one faster. That. That may have been one of them, 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:26.559 the Pouladine thing. Oh I remember, like you just mentioned 1:38:26.560 --> 1:38:30.679 it on episode the escape from Dana Mora thing. Oh yeah, yeah, 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:33.000 I think we did. I think we did one about 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:35.600 that that was sure to get quick. It wasn't it 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.720 a Chicago crossover episode. 1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:39.200 Or something, and it was it was. 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:41.400 I feel like that was a pretty quick one because 1:38:41.439 --> 1:38:45.600 that was like a huge story that everyone was captivated 1:38:45.600 --> 1:38:50.400 by and spawned its own entire series. Yeah, not only that. 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:53.240 You know, what everyone always requests from us is the 1:38:53.280 --> 1:38:56.280 fucking William Lewis episodes, And to us, it's like, well, 1:38:56.280 --> 1:38:59.280 we're scared and we don't want to watch that, Like, yeah, 1:39:00.439 --> 1:39:03.640 that is a crew making that seeing like you know, 1:39:03.680 --> 1:39:07.760 Olivia Benson in that situation, like those episodes are fucked up, 1:39:07.880 --> 1:39:10.840 and you know, he's burning his fingertips that like they 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:12.519 all our listeners. 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:14.120 Want it, and we're like, we're not ready. 1:39:14.200 --> 1:39:15.880 I mean, we'll do it eventually, we just need to 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:16.559 like work. 1:39:16.400 --> 1:39:21.000 Our way up series finale. Yeah, And it's not really 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:24.679 based on like a specific real story either. It's based 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:27.040 on like what is the worst possible thing that could 1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:31.560 happen to Olivia Benson? Basically that was intense, Like I 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:34.519 didn't write that, but I was on set for a 1:39:34.560 --> 1:39:39.040 lot of the kidnapped in the House episode, Like I 1:39:39.080 --> 1:39:40.840 was out and we were out in Long Island on 1:39:40.880 --> 1:39:44.679 this really pretty house and really pretty property by the beach, 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:47.400 and like it was kind of a nice day except 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:50.759 that we're recording this stuff and it it was really intense. 1:39:51.000 --> 1:39:54.880 Like Marishka when I say she can do anything, like 1:39:54.960 --> 1:40:00.040 that was an example. She got really into it and 1:40:00.920 --> 1:40:03.439 did a lot of work, you know, to prepare for that, 1:40:03.720 --> 1:40:08.920 and that those days on set were not like the 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:13.600 you know, fun, easy, light hearted days like you know, 1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:16.280 because tone gets set from the top and she was 1:40:16.360 --> 1:40:18.960 in it like she was during that episode, and so 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:21.880 everyone you know, it was almost like everyone was very 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:25.320 sensitive to that those days on the set, and it 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:29.200 was a little bit of like, you know, for good reason, 1:40:29.280 --> 1:40:32.439 walking on eggshells, Like we want to be sensitive to 1:40:32.520 --> 1:40:36.040 what we're shooting and get this right and like you know, 1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:40.120 really portray it, but also make sure everyone on the 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:43.120 cast and crew is okay. And so we had a 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:47.439 lot of like safety talks those days, and just like 1:40:48.240 --> 1:40:52.439 everyone was in was in that mindset and it was tough, 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:57.519 probably for Marishka the most, but you know, you watch 1:40:57.560 --> 1:41:01.400 it and it's pretty pretty fucking real. Yeah. 1:41:01.720 --> 1:41:03.880 And then for you, do you have any episodes that 1:41:03.960 --> 1:41:06.519 like stick in your mind from like either researching or 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:09.080 writing where you were like, wow, like this case is 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:11.240 like fucking with my mind like this, like you know 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:13.719 what I mean, like some like an episode that haunted 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.599 you or a real life case that kind of stuck 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:15.880 with you. 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:19.840 Yeah, a lot, Like you're. 1:41:19.720 --> 1:41:21.120 Like I haven't slept in ten years. 1:41:22.479 --> 1:41:26.599 I mean, I like I will say like the for 1:41:26.720 --> 1:41:29.800 you guys too, even talking about these episodes often, like 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:31.880 it does take a toll on you. 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:35.000 And now our schedule is based on that, so we 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:37.160 can get like a week or two breaks in between 1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:40.560 research because there are some that are just like I 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:41.960 can't do this. 1:41:42.479 --> 1:41:47.280 Yeah, yeah, it's it is difficult, and it's like you 1:41:47.280 --> 1:41:50.320 don't realize it sometimes how much it's affecting you until 1:41:50.320 --> 1:41:52.920 you stop looking at it for a while. And like 1:41:53.600 --> 1:41:55.920 when I was at Us for You, all my friends 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:59.200 and family used to send me any story they saw 1:41:59.280 --> 1:42:01.240 that could be for show. They would email it to 1:42:01.280 --> 1:42:04.040 me and used to be like, okay, cool, like you're 1:42:04.080 --> 1:42:06.840 helping me with my work. And then when I left 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:09.160 the show, they would still do that and I immediately 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:12.120 I was like, please stop sending me this stuff. I 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:14.639 don't want to read anything. I don't have to. I'm 1:42:14.800 --> 1:42:18.679 taking a break from this, And like it really did 1:42:18.920 --> 1:42:21.160 clear my mind in a way. I mean, I know 1:42:21.240 --> 1:42:24.720 what's important work we're doing to expose this stuff and 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:27.880 talk about it and change rape culture, but like you 1:42:27.960 --> 1:42:32.000 are really thinking about these real horrible things that happened 1:42:32.000 --> 1:42:35.800 to people, and it's difficult. Yeah, so it Yeah, it 1:42:35.800 --> 1:42:38.720 takes a toll. But I feel like the one that 1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:42.280 haunted me the most was like we did child porn stuff. 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:45.040 We had to do a research of child porn and 1:42:45.080 --> 1:42:50.519 like learn about it, and that stuff was I took 1:42:50.520 --> 1:42:53.120 it Home with Me. And there was one episode I 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:57.280 think it was another Chicago crossover maybe where like they 1:42:57.400 --> 1:43:01.599 found a dungeon with child porn on the wall, you know, 1:43:01.760 --> 1:43:05.719 child porn photos everywhere, and like obviously we're not using 1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:09.000 real child porn, but for the shot, you have to 1:43:09.200 --> 1:43:12.799 make it look like it's something you can't show nothing. 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:17.000 So we had to actually like shoot those pictures with 1:43:17.240 --> 1:43:23.000 over eighteen actors but making it look like yeah, porn, 1:43:23.080 --> 1:43:27.439 and like that was probably the worst day of the job, 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:30.960 was I was on set for that photo shoot. Any 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:33.880 you know, even though they're over eighteen and they've it's 1:43:33.920 --> 1:43:37.479 a job and it's acting and it's consensual, just to 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:41.479 like think about what you're creating and everyone knows that's 1:43:41.520 --> 1:43:43.759 what it is happening. It just was so icky. 1:43:44.200 --> 1:43:48.280 Yeah, we've covered Downloaded Child and some other episodes that 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:50.840 deal with like you know, child sex abuse images and stuff, 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:53.760 and like it is something about that just because it 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:56.800 seems so vast and there's just like it is whack 1:43:56.840 --> 1:43:59.120 a mole, Like there's just you can try to get 1:43:59.160 --> 1:44:00.679 rid of it as much as you want, but it's 1:44:00.720 --> 1:44:02.960 like it's just you know, so there is something kind 1:44:03.000 --> 1:44:04.559 of dark, really dark about that. 1:44:05.360 --> 1:44:10.360 But have you ever been in like casual hangouts with 1:44:10.439 --> 1:44:13.200 friends and then you start talking about what you researched 1:44:13.240 --> 1:44:16.200 all day and they're like can you stop? That happens 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:20.000 to me where I just will stop, start talking about 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:22.800 stuff and not realize that we're at a fun gathering. 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:26.120 Yeah, oh yeah, all the time, all the time, especially 1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:29.599 when I was working there, Like I had, I had 1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:32.240 no filter about this stuff because we talked about it 1:44:32.280 --> 1:44:36.200 at work all the time and and at the you know, 1:44:36.280 --> 1:44:39.280 in the writer's room, like you kind of have to 1:44:39.439 --> 1:44:43.160 joke about it sometimes because otherwise it's just too heavy 1:44:43.240 --> 1:44:45.479 and like we we don't put those jokes in, like, 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:48.479 but like you have to. And then I would sometimes 1:44:48.560 --> 1:44:51.120 repeat some of those jokes to friends and they're like, 1:44:51.920 --> 1:44:54.120 what the fuck are you talking? Like no, no, no, 1:44:54.960 --> 1:44:59.120 And I had to remember. But but thankfully once I left, 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:05.120 I've that that went away pretty quickly. Yeah, are there any. 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:10.000 Episodes that you pushed harder cases that got rejected? 1:45:11.000 --> 1:45:14.120 It wasn't really mine, but I supported this episode, but 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:17.240 there was like a there was an episode we were 1:45:17.280 --> 1:45:20.719 calling Fractured Chakras. Count the letters and you can figure 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:24.200 out what season that was, and it was like it 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:28.280 was that yoga guru guy who was like a cult leader, 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.880 blanking on his name. But oh it was the hot 1:45:32.080 --> 1:45:35.240 it's the hot yoga guy. Yeah he's not hot. It's 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:42.000 hot yoga. It's yeah, I think. And we were gonna 1:45:42.040 --> 1:45:47.760 do an episode where the women he abused broke his penis, 1:45:48.280 --> 1:45:55.600 which I thought was kind of funenis. 1:45:52.680 --> 1:45:54.320 Broken and he loves to talk about it. 1:45:54.720 --> 1:45:59.800 Oh really yeah, he's like in medical medical textbooks. Okay, yeah, 1:45:59.800 --> 1:46:01.839 he's he has a little scar. He'll show anybody. 1:46:03.000 --> 1:46:05.040 I think we ended up not doing that episode because 1:46:05.040 --> 1:46:06.640 nobody wanted to think about. 1:46:06.640 --> 1:46:09.840 A broken penis. Yeah, that's really funny. 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:13.599 Robert, we have to ask you, do you have any 1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:18.720 feelings on RELEASEI the Rollins and Coores relationship. 1:46:18.800 --> 1:46:21.000 Did you was that always a plan that it was 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:24.000 going to have endgame or what were they like? 1:46:24.040 --> 1:46:26.519 Oh, we never got to give them Elliott and Olivia, 1:46:26.600 --> 1:46:28.120 so now we're going to give them these two or like, 1:46:28.200 --> 1:46:28.960 was there any talk of that. 1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:34.320 It's funny they're together now on the show, aren't Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, interesting. 1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:37.440 He's a stepdaddy. I always wanted. 1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:41.320 And did you know that I co wrote Intent, which 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:42.640 is also covered. 1:46:42.479 --> 1:46:45.200 Yes, where they where she rejects him at that hotel? 1:46:45.479 --> 1:46:45.719 Yep. 1:46:46.000 --> 1:46:49.360 Yeah, yeah, because I actually interrupted Kara because she was 1:46:49.400 --> 1:46:51.600 talking about it. But she doesn't think Caresey's hot. I do, 1:46:51.640 --> 1:46:52.960 and I was like, you need to shut up, Karen. 1:46:53.040 --> 1:46:55.840 I'm going to take over this part because the rejection 1:46:56.200 --> 1:47:01.240 really was really tough. But I just don't think she 1:47:01.320 --> 1:47:02.960 was ready to let Levi into her life. You know, 1:47:03.040 --> 1:47:06.120 she's had a tough upbringing and like I just got 1:47:06.160 --> 1:47:08.360 her journey and not accepting what he was giving. 1:47:08.920 --> 1:47:11.400 I understand that. I'm sorry Kara that you can't see 1:47:11.479 --> 1:47:12.600 how I can't. 1:47:12.320 --> 1:47:14.000 See him, you know what. 1:47:14.240 --> 1:47:16.320 I think he's toned down his accent. But when he 1:47:16.400 --> 1:47:19.880 first came on the scene and he was like A like, 1:47:19.920 --> 1:47:23.720 I was like I can't with this, yeah, like and 1:47:23.760 --> 1:47:25.920 I'm sunny like, I was like, it was too much 1:47:25.960 --> 1:47:27.960 for me. It was like cartoony. But I think he's 1:47:28.000 --> 1:47:30.160 really calmed it down, especially now that he's an eighty 1:47:30.240 --> 1:47:30.720 a you know. 1:47:31.200 --> 1:47:34.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's definitely very cute. I would put 1:47:34.720 --> 1:47:37.280 him in the cute category. I don't know quite about hot, 1:47:37.320 --> 1:47:37.839 but yeah. 1:47:38.080 --> 1:47:40.800 Okay, okay, intent was good. 1:47:40.840 --> 1:47:42.920 And that guy who's the main guy in that because 1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:44.600 I love him from Shameless. 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:47.640 He was great. That episode was kind of fun. You 1:47:47.680 --> 1:47:49.280 guys covered that one really well. 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:50.000 Oh thank you. 1:47:50.320 --> 1:47:52.360 I mean the true crime of that is so wild. 1:47:52.479 --> 1:47:55.400 It's like we just had to make sure Karen didn't 1:47:55.400 --> 1:47:55.840 research it. 1:47:55.840 --> 1:47:57.920 I was like, don't look into this same let me 1:47:58.000 --> 1:47:59.719 fucking I was telling a tale. 1:48:00.240 --> 1:48:04.120 Oh and oh Steve Howie, Steve Howie. Yeah, Steve Howie 1:48:04.160 --> 1:48:06.360 was great. He was really fun to work with. And Okay, 1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:09.840 before I answer your Roleisi question about intent there. When 1:48:09.880 --> 1:48:12.120 I listened to your episode, I wanted to add something, 1:48:12.360 --> 1:48:15.320 which was, you know, you talked about that hashtag who 1:48:15.400 --> 1:48:18.200 is the Hand? And you were like, this is a 1:48:18.240 --> 1:48:20.840 little bit of a weird hashtag and it's like, but 1:48:20.920 --> 1:48:23.240 I get it. It's what it insta, you know, TikTok 1:48:23.320 --> 1:48:26.080 or Instagram people do. That was kind of an easter 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:29.200 egg that I slipped in there because I don't know 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:33.360 if you remember season fifteen or something, maybe she Marishka 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:36.160 went to Paris and she was on a flight with 1:48:36.280 --> 1:48:38.280 and there was like a hand and it was like 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:42.599 who And in real life we hashtagged from the writer's 1:48:42.680 --> 1:48:44.920 room account who is the Hand? And we were like 1:48:45.000 --> 1:48:49.120 teasing who is the hand? Insbo. So then four years 1:48:49.200 --> 1:48:52.280 later we had a new showrunner who wasn't there for 1:48:52.320 --> 1:48:54.479 who is the Hand? But I was there, and I 1:48:54.520 --> 1:48:59.240 was like, Okay, we needed a plot device where we 1:48:59.320 --> 1:49:02.519 see that the character has tattoos, because that's the clue 1:49:02.520 --> 1:49:06.280 we need, but we don't see the character's face. Okay, 1:49:06.920 --> 1:49:10.479 she does an Instagram post and with his hand there, 1:49:10.520 --> 1:49:15.000 and so that was kind of an inside joke for 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:16.639 the SVU die hards out. 1:49:16.760 --> 1:49:18.840 Yeah, this is become a real thing. 1:49:19.160 --> 1:49:21.280 Yeah, because now it's like the soft launch of a 1:49:21.320 --> 1:49:23.840 relationship where it's like two beers on a table like 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:26.720 it is kind of now SVU is always ahead of 1:49:26.840 --> 1:49:30.240 the curve, and I do feel like now that is 1:49:30.280 --> 1:49:32.800 an official like thing that you do when you first 1:49:32.800 --> 1:49:33.120 start her. 1:49:33.200 --> 1:49:36.040 Yeah, is that Christmas episode that we did, She's on 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:38.160 her way to the Bahamas, and I think it's Cassidy. 1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:38.960 That's the hand. 1:49:39.320 --> 1:49:41.519 We don't know for sure, but like we were led 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:42.760 to believe that it's Cassidy. 1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:47.000 Do you have a favorite Marishka boyfriend lover moment? Like 1:49:47.120 --> 1:49:49.080 is there someone that you liked her with or who 1:49:49.080 --> 1:49:50.920 you see her with eventually. 1:49:50.520 --> 1:49:51.160 Or not at all? 1:49:51.840 --> 1:49:54.280 Yeah, I mean, well, I really liked Harry Connick Junior. 1:49:54.320 --> 1:49:57.439 I thought that was kind of fun. Okay, okay, but 1:49:57.720 --> 1:50:01.080 like in terms of my endgame, had I stayed at 1:50:01.120 --> 1:50:04.240 the show, I was a big Tucson fan. I just 1:50:04.280 --> 1:50:08.240 thought the evolution of her and Tucker was so cool 1:50:08.280 --> 1:50:11.040 and made a lot of sense, and like, I you know, 1:50:11.080 --> 1:50:15.040 I didn't love how Tucker was portrayed in the early seasons, 1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:17.840 and I loved how he evolved and that made so 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:19.960 much sense to me, and then it made sense that 1:50:20.000 --> 1:50:23.040 they would really connect in that deep way. So yeah, 1:50:23.320 --> 1:50:26.000 you know, too bad he died and. 1:50:25.960 --> 1:50:29.400 Then release Ray and okay, so Raleisi. 1:50:29.520 --> 1:50:32.080 I was always into but I will, but like, I 1:50:32.120 --> 1:50:35.640 don't know, I don't know if it's my favorite romantic 1:50:35.680 --> 1:50:38.519 relationship because like I always kind of saw it as 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:43.920 like a brother sistery relationship, and actually, in intent, I'm 1:50:43.960 --> 1:50:46.960 pretty sure I was the reason that they didn't just 1:50:47.080 --> 1:50:50.559 hook up like the other that we had knew. But 1:50:50.720 --> 1:50:52.840 my co writer was also new that year, and I 1:50:52.840 --> 1:50:55.439 think he was pushing for them to hook up, and 1:50:55.479 --> 1:50:57.120 I was like, I don't know if I see it. 1:50:57.200 --> 1:51:00.759 I think they're like more brother sister and it should 1:51:00.760 --> 1:51:03.679 be like almost, but then they don't, and so. 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:06.960 They're also for they're not going to do it for 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:09.400 the first time in a motel in West Virginia. I 1:51:09.439 --> 1:51:12.439 know that, like I, that's that's not the fantasy. I 1:51:12.439 --> 1:51:16.840 don't think for anyone. But that's hilarious. You are Oh 1:51:16.840 --> 1:51:17.920 my gosh, I. 1:51:17.880 --> 1:51:20.320 Feel like block of it. You're a releasey cock blocker. 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:24.520 Yeah, yeah, that was me. I also think I secretly 1:51:24.960 --> 1:51:28.879 and also eventually not so secretly, wanted to have Corezy 1:51:28.920 --> 1:51:31.920 come out as bisexual because because I am bisexual and 1:51:31.960 --> 1:51:34.360 it just like made it sense to me more than 1:51:34.439 --> 1:51:37.519 any other character on the show. But that never happened. 1:51:37.680 --> 1:51:40.320 Okay, well, I wanted to ask you this because I did. 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:44.800 That's what I want, Barber, bar easy, I forgot that's 1:51:44.840 --> 1:51:46.800 what I wanted. 1:51:47.320 --> 1:51:48.719 This is what I was going to ask you because 1:51:48.720 --> 1:51:50.880 we saw that you have a podcast called two by Guys. 1:51:50.880 --> 1:51:56.000 You want to shout out the podcast obviously, and we 1:51:56.000 --> 1:51:58.760 we have received from a lot of our listeners a 1:51:58.840 --> 1:52:02.200 theory that Raoul Arza was playing Barba as by. 1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:04.160 Do you have any thoughts on that? 1:52:04.320 --> 1:52:05.040 Is that true? 1:52:05.240 --> 1:52:08.040 Is that like a good like a cool theory, but 1:52:08.200 --> 1:52:11.040 no fact or like cause, I because when you said 1:52:11.080 --> 1:52:13.120 brother and sister, it reminded me of how I used 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:16.200 to feel about Olivia and Barba. I always people are like, 1:52:16.320 --> 1:52:18.360 I love them together, and I'm like, I just thought 1:52:18.360 --> 1:52:20.519 that they were bro and sis. Like I never saw 1:52:20.560 --> 1:52:23.639 the I never saw the chemistry sexually between them. 1:52:23.680 --> 1:52:26.000 But other people obviously. 1:52:25.560 --> 1:52:28.960 Do totally agree with that, and I think Barba and 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:35.639 Benson have perhaps a closer relationship than many romantic partners have, 1:52:35.800 --> 1:52:39.240 like it's so deep and they like really have a 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:41.600 deep understanding of each other. But I agree it was 1:52:41.640 --> 1:52:46.760 always more professional slash brothers sisterly and I didn't see 1:52:46.040 --> 1:52:51.240 the spark there of romance. And in terms of Barbara 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:55.599 being bisexual as a character, like I know that Raulu 1:52:55.680 --> 1:52:59.960 identifies as by and he is is very much that character, 1:53:00.120 --> 1:53:02.680 and I think that's a fair way to read it. 1:53:02.800 --> 1:53:06.800 But I also know that like that the actor kind 1:53:06.840 --> 1:53:11.200 of didn't want to be the bye Da on alone, 1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:13.679 or like he didn't want to be the queer Da. 1:53:13.920 --> 1:53:15.839 He wanted to be the Da. 1:53:15.880 --> 1:53:18.880 Like the rich day Yeah, the. 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:26.840 Rich, weird aloft, hyper intelligent, yes, and so like he 1:53:26.960 --> 1:53:29.600 you know, we didn't ever want to like make that 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:34.360 a big part of the character, and for fear would 1:53:34.360 --> 1:53:37.120 take away from other aspects of the character, you know, 1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:40.080 looking back, I don't. I was never out as by 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:43.559 at the show. I came out during my last year 1:53:43.600 --> 1:53:46.679 there to my friends, but I was never out at 1:53:46.720 --> 1:53:49.759 work except to a few people who were also queer. 1:53:50.960 --> 1:53:53.920 But I came out publicly, like within a month or 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:58.080 two of leaving the show. And and I think I 1:53:58.200 --> 1:54:00.960 might have a different view on it now of it 1:54:01.080 --> 1:54:05.040 doesn't take like that wouldn't necessarily take away from the character. 1:54:05.760 --> 1:54:08.719 In my opinion, it would add add a new layer. 1:54:09.120 --> 1:54:12.040 But I also can understand I like, not everyone watches 1:54:12.080 --> 1:54:13.760 the show that way or looks at it that way, 1:54:13.800 --> 1:54:16.400 And like, once a character comes out as queer, there's 1:54:16.439 --> 1:54:20.439 a segment of the law and order audience that is 1:54:20.479 --> 1:54:22.839 going to view them as an other and as different. 1:54:23.120 --> 1:54:26.400 And so there is something to be said for like 1:54:26.880 --> 1:54:32.560 a queer actor playing a character that certainly could be queer, 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:35.680 but not being explicit about it and kind of bringing 1:54:35.760 --> 1:54:40.320 viewers into what that kind of a person is like 1:54:40.360 --> 1:54:43.080 and what that experience is without hitting them over the 1:54:43.080 --> 1:54:45.880 head with it. So like, I don't know exactly how 1:54:45.920 --> 1:54:48.600 I feel about it. It's a very complicated question because 1:54:48.640 --> 1:54:51.080 of what the show is, how big it is, and 1:54:51.120 --> 1:54:53.160 who the fans are. 1:54:52.840 --> 1:54:54.240 Sure, but I. 1:54:54.240 --> 1:54:58.360 Kind of wish there was more of talk about queerness 1:54:58.560 --> 1:55:02.120 and main character who are queer on the show. 1:55:02.320 --> 1:55:04.600 Yeah, I think we Ha was and then they ditched 1:55:04.600 --> 1:55:07.760 her after a season, and I know we didn't understand that. 1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:10.920 And we also talked to Bed Wong, and I know 1:55:11.000 --> 1:55:13.360 he was before your time, I think on the show. 1:55:13.400 --> 1:55:15.160 I don't think he came back any of your episodes, 1:55:15.160 --> 1:55:17.760 but like he was talking about how his character kind 1:55:17.800 --> 1:55:20.480 of was just like served a purpose and like never 1:55:20.520 --> 1:55:23.720 really had more of like a personal life or like 1:55:23.760 --> 1:55:26.080 an identity, and he kind of wished that it had 1:55:26.120 --> 1:55:26.600 a little bit. 1:55:26.680 --> 1:55:29.680 So that's interesting, right, I met Bed once. He was 1:55:29.680 --> 1:55:32.600 in one episode during my time there. He came back 1:55:32.720 --> 1:55:35.040 for you know, a special guest star, and yeah, I 1:55:35.040 --> 1:55:36.880 always thought that was kind of weird. He like came 1:55:37.040 --> 1:55:39.840 his character came out right before he kind of left 1:55:39.880 --> 1:55:43.080 the show, And like, I don't know, I do think 1:55:43.640 --> 1:55:48.200 it's such a mainstream network show that there's always like 1:55:48.320 --> 1:55:53.360 a little bit of a fear of alienating fans with queerness. 1:55:53.440 --> 1:55:57.360 But obviously I think that times are changing. And we 1:55:57.400 --> 1:56:00.160 should not be, Yeah, we should not be like following 1:56:00.720 --> 1:56:06.680 audiences fears and discomfort, we should be exposing them to 1:56:07.880 --> 1:56:10.360 queerness and queer people to normalize these things. 1:56:10.400 --> 1:56:13.600 So it's just like very funny to that there are 1:56:13.680 --> 1:56:16.560 people that are like, I watch this show for the 1:56:16.680 --> 1:56:18.920 rape and the murder. I'm not here for all this 1:56:19.040 --> 1:56:21.920 gay stuff, Like what are you you know, Like we 1:56:22.120 --> 1:56:24.360 used to get that a lot of like critiques of 1:56:24.360 --> 1:56:26.720 our podcast at the beginning was like, I didn't come 1:56:26.760 --> 1:56:28.560 here for your politics. It's like this is a show 1:56:28.600 --> 1:56:32.320 about crimes against women and children, like it is inherently political, 1:56:32.480 --> 1:56:34.760 Like we're not going to not talk about I don't 1:56:34.760 --> 1:56:37.400 know if there's a way to keep this like you know, biparty. 1:56:37.600 --> 1:56:41.960 It's strange because also with the when they had the 1:56:41.960 --> 1:56:45.720 Black Lives Matter episodes Twitter, people were really mad about 1:56:45.720 --> 1:56:47.800 it and like and then it's like, no, all the 1:56:48.080 --> 1:56:50.760 episodes are based on the news. If you're only upset 1:56:50.840 --> 1:56:54.000 about the sudden Black Lives Matter news, like you need 1:56:54.040 --> 1:56:57.360 to look inward because it's always been this with what's 1:56:57.360 --> 1:57:01.200 happening in the world. But it enraged people the COVID 1:57:01.280 --> 1:57:04.200 season that I dealt so much with race and internal 1:57:04.280 --> 1:57:05.680 racism within the department. 1:57:06.280 --> 1:57:06.720 I don't know. 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:11.440 Yeah, it's a it's a tough thing to balance, and 1:57:11.480 --> 1:57:13.920 it is because it is like a very political show. 1:57:14.080 --> 1:57:18.200 Like it's about the criminal justice system. It's about sex 1:57:18.240 --> 1:57:22.120 crimes and sexual assault, which are things that are hot, 1:57:22.200 --> 1:57:26.400 you know, hotly debated in our politics for for worse, 1:57:26.560 --> 1:57:29.240 Like there shouldn't be debates about these things, but there are. 1:57:29.800 --> 1:57:33.200 And like it's a tough balance because like I know, 1:57:33.360 --> 1:57:35.760 you know Warren if you follow who's the showrunner now 1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:38.240 and for most of the time I was there, he's 1:57:38.280 --> 1:57:40.800 really progressive. If you follow him on Twitter, you'll see 1:57:40.840 --> 1:57:44.640 he's like really progressive and and you know, fighting for 1:57:44.840 --> 1:57:46.960 the kind of things I agree with and the kind 1:57:46.960 --> 1:57:49.600 of things you talk about on this podcast. But then 1:57:49.640 --> 1:57:53.000 you must know that there's a big section of the 1:57:53.160 --> 1:57:56.400 SPU audience who doesn't see things that way. And when 1:57:56.440 --> 1:57:58.880 you zoom out a little to the Law and Order 1:57:59.080 --> 1:58:01.680 franchise and a lot of stuff that happened last summer 1:58:01.720 --> 1:58:05.000 and Black Lives Matter movement and the George Floyd protests, 1:58:05.040 --> 1:58:09.280 like it isn't that difficult to see how the entire 1:58:09.400 --> 1:58:14.760 franchise contributes to this myth that police are doing the 1:58:14.840 --> 1:58:19.440 right thing, and police are capturing criminals and protecting victims, 1:58:19.520 --> 1:58:23.040 and we should be funding them. And Olivia Benson, you know, 1:58:23.120 --> 1:58:25.800 your Olivia Benson in your town is going to do 1:58:25.920 --> 1:58:29.080 the right thing, where like that is not actually what 1:58:29.160 --> 1:58:33.440 most cops are like and not how the system often works, 1:58:33.480 --> 1:58:36.080 and like the show is kind of a best case 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:39.760 scenario and even and there's like value in that, there's 1:58:39.840 --> 1:58:42.960 value in showing people how it should be done, but 1:58:43.000 --> 1:58:47.880 there's also some harm in making people think that's how it. 1:58:48.080 --> 1:58:50.680 Yes, we always say talk about it that it's a fantasy. 1:58:50.720 --> 1:58:52.840 We're like, this is a fantasy of the justice system, 1:58:52.880 --> 1:58:53.680 of course. 1:58:53.520 --> 1:58:56.800 Like it's not. I mean, once in a while, Olivia 1:58:56.880 --> 1:58:57.600 is chasing. 1:58:57.360 --> 1:59:00.040 Down a one of. 1:58:58.880 --> 1:59:02.160 The victims, not even pressing charges, and she's like, I 1:59:02.320 --> 1:59:04.320 think I'm gonna still work on this on my free time. 1:59:04.440 --> 1:59:06.440 Like it's like, you know, obviously a lot of it 1:59:06.520 --> 1:59:08.080 is not realistic. 1:59:08.240 --> 1:59:10.960 But early seasons they did a good job of any 1:59:11.000 --> 1:59:14.320 cops outside of the unit were like so the Panny Police, 1:59:14.400 --> 1:59:17.080 you know, they were all so mean, and so I 1:59:17.080 --> 1:59:20.400 always did appreciate that they put down other cops. 1:59:20.480 --> 1:59:22.640 I mean, we've had you for eight hours. I'm so sorry. 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:24.880 I know this has been like we could truly talk 1:59:24.920 --> 1:59:26.680 to you for a full other hour, but we should 1:59:26.680 --> 1:59:28.040 probably wrap it up and let you get back to 1:59:28.480 --> 1:59:32.520 say one thing about that, Yes, and I want to know, yeah, 1:59:32.600 --> 1:59:33.000 go first. 1:59:33.320 --> 1:59:33.720 Well. 1:59:33.720 --> 1:59:37.120 Also, also just on that topic, I'll say, like one 1:59:37.160 --> 1:59:39.120 of the things I got to do as the researcher 1:59:39.160 --> 1:59:41.120 and also a writer was work with a lot of 1:59:41.120 --> 1:59:45.440 our technical consultants. So we had like former Sex Crimes 1:59:45.480 --> 1:59:49.120 cop of former Sex Times, da Medical Examiner, other stuff, 1:59:49.160 --> 1:59:51.400 and like they were great and they help us kind 1:59:51.440 --> 1:59:54.440 of figure out how to do the show as accurately 1:59:54.480 --> 1:59:58.120 as we can. But most of the time I would say, how, 1:59:58.280 --> 2:00:02.320 you know, what if this happened? The experts would say, well, 2:00:02.320 --> 2:00:04.880 that wouldn't happen because of this and this and this, 2:00:05.080 --> 2:00:07.400 or like they would settle before it got to this point, 2:00:07.520 --> 2:00:10.240 like it would never go this far, and I'm like, yeah, okay, 2:00:10.240 --> 2:00:12.920 but how do how could it happen? Yeah? So a 2:00:12.960 --> 2:00:15.120 lot of you know, so much what you see on 2:00:15.160 --> 2:00:18.600 the show is like the one in a million extreme 2:00:18.760 --> 2:00:22.360 case and it is accurate as to how that would 2:00:22.440 --> 2:00:26.400 happen if it ever did, but like it never does, right, 2:00:27.200 --> 2:00:29.280 So it's just like it's kind of a fan it 2:00:29.320 --> 2:00:30.840 is a fantasy show. 2:00:30.960 --> 2:00:33.360 Yeah, because we then do the research on the crime 2:00:33.440 --> 2:00:35.360 and so much of our researches, and then the cops 2:00:35.440 --> 2:00:38.440 decided not to investigate. They didn't do that, they didn't 2:00:38.440 --> 2:00:40.760 believe her. They actually threw her out and said, you're 2:00:40.760 --> 2:00:41.680 a dumb whore. You know. 2:00:41.720 --> 2:00:44.240 It's like you're reading the research. 2:00:43.800 --> 2:00:45.640 And you're like, oh my god, cops from coast to 2:00:45.680 --> 2:00:48.920 coast are just refusing to do their jobs in any capacity. 2:00:49.560 --> 2:00:50.320 Yeah, exactly. 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:51.800 I was gonna. 2:00:51.520 --> 2:00:53.880 Say, is there an episode that you worked on and 2:00:53.920 --> 2:00:55.800 wrote that we should cover that we have not? 2:00:56.960 --> 2:01:00.520 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. One of 2:01:00.560 --> 2:01:04.080 my favorite ones that I wrote that was just like, 2:01:04.520 --> 2:01:06.800 if there's such a thing as a fun episode of 2:01:06.920 --> 2:01:09.720 S for you, this was the most fun. Is called 2:01:09.800 --> 2:01:11.040 assaulting Reality. 2:01:11.400 --> 2:01:14.560 Oh no, I'm obsessed. Obsessed The Bachelor. It's like it's 2:01:14.560 --> 2:01:15.080 like it's like. 2:01:15.080 --> 2:01:17.760 Unreal, I want you want to do that one? And 2:01:17.800 --> 2:01:18.960 I want to get Wendy Malick. 2:01:19.960 --> 2:01:23.840 Yes, yes, Wendy Malick was so good and uh and 2:01:23.880 --> 2:01:26.360 her her counterpart in that episode was so good. I'm 2:01:26.360 --> 2:01:27.120 blanking on his names. 2:01:27.280 --> 2:01:30.320 The dad from Family Ties, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm 2:01:30.360 --> 2:01:33.080 obsessed with her, like I'm a Wendy Malix Stan. 2:01:33.920 --> 2:01:38.560 I love her and also I fanboyd with this one 2:01:38.600 --> 2:01:43.760 was the girl woman who played the younger producer Larissa Oline. 2:01:43.880 --> 2:01:45.520 Oh, yes, she was Alex Max. 2:01:45.600 --> 2:01:46.680 She was Alex Mack. 2:01:46.800 --> 2:01:50.800 Yes, that episode I think is based they said on 2:01:50.960 --> 2:01:53.200 sexual assault from Big Brother, right you told me that. 2:01:53.480 --> 2:01:55.960 Yes, yes, there isn't There isn't a ton to talk 2:01:56.000 --> 2:01:58.640 about with that story, but there's a little bit. Yeah, 2:01:58.680 --> 2:02:00.240 it's kind of based on something. 2:02:00.360 --> 2:02:02.080 And it seemed like it was kind of going on 2:02:02.160 --> 2:02:04.360 at the same time as Unrel was on and everybody 2:02:04.400 --> 2:02:05.360 was talking about Unreal. 2:02:05.600 --> 2:02:08.520 Yeah. Oh, we totally in the writer's room were like, 2:02:09.160 --> 2:02:12.440 we love Unrel me and my co writer, Yeah, love Unreal. 2:02:12.520 --> 2:02:15.640 Can we do our version of Unreal? It's also like 2:02:15.720 --> 2:02:19.480 I thought that Decline and Fall was our version of Succession. 2:02:19.600 --> 2:02:21.640 I think I wrote that to you in an email. Yes, 2:02:21.680 --> 2:02:24.760 but then I looked it up and it turns out 2:02:25.040 --> 2:02:28.839 our SVU episode aired before Succession started. 2:02:29.760 --> 2:02:32.360 So well, that happens all the time, though, I mean 2:02:32.440 --> 2:02:35.600 like sometimes we get like we'll research, like something will 2:02:35.600 --> 2:02:38.320 happen on SVU and like the crime happens ten years later, 2:02:38.520 --> 2:02:40.760 like a real crime that matches up with it exactly 2:02:40.920 --> 2:02:42.000 like happens ten years later. 2:02:42.040 --> 2:02:42.920 It's really crazy. 2:02:43.720 --> 2:02:46.760 Is there anything you'd like to plug or talk more 2:02:46.800 --> 2:02:50.240 about your podcast or any final thoughts or words or anything. 2:02:50.360 --> 2:02:53.200 This is obviously been magical. 2:02:54.200 --> 2:02:56.560 This has been lovely. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. 2:02:56.560 --> 2:02:59.000 My podcast is called Two Bay Guys. It's about like 2:02:59.400 --> 2:03:02.920 mail by some actuality and gender fluidity, and like, I'm 2:03:02.920 --> 2:03:05.800 trying to get back onto doing television stuff too and 2:03:05.840 --> 2:03:09.120 writing a lot of stuff about that because I think 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:13.880 there's not that much out there about male sexual fluidity 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:16.800 and masculinity. It's very like people have a lot of 2:03:16.840 --> 2:03:19.280 shame about this stuff, like I did for a long time. 2:03:19.600 --> 2:03:20.680 Do you watch it Insecure? 2:03:21.720 --> 2:03:25.320 Yeah, I've like season one Ye had a baby storyline. 2:03:25.400 --> 2:03:27.240 That's all I could think of, And you know, we 2:03:27.280 --> 2:03:28.640 do watch so much television. 2:03:29.280 --> 2:03:31.640 Yeah, there is a lot more the last couple of years. 2:03:31.720 --> 2:03:33.760 There was there was a storyline on I May Destroy 2:03:33.840 --> 2:03:37.880 You Too that I thought was, yes, yes, there's I'm 2:03:37.920 --> 2:03:40.640 like Transparent is one of my favorite shows. Although there's 2:03:40.640 --> 2:03:43.200 no male bisexual characters there, but there's a lot of 2:03:43.840 --> 2:03:47.720 good queer stuff there. Yeah, there's more, Kimny. 2:03:47.880 --> 2:03:50.000 I have to ask you one final question that Liza 2:03:50.400 --> 2:03:52.240 did put in the document and I thought it was silly, 2:03:52.240 --> 2:03:53.480 but now I feel like it could be a fun 2:03:53.480 --> 2:03:56.160 way to end this podcast and this episode Decline and Fall. 2:03:56.200 --> 2:03:59.120 Have you ever tried quay ludes? 2:04:00.480 --> 2:04:00.560 No? 2:04:00.880 --> 2:04:03.480 Yeah, yeah, we for every episode I researched. I always 2:04:03.520 --> 2:04:05.600 have to got to try the drive put myself in 2:04:05.640 --> 2:04:10.560 the place of the characters. No, I haven't, but you know, 2:04:11.360 --> 2:04:14.040 in the right consensual circumstance, could be fun. 2:04:14.200 --> 2:04:20.840 No, we are best friends with him now. I want 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:21.360 everyone to know. 2:04:21.400 --> 2:04:23.040 He did come to our live show in LA and 2:04:23.040 --> 2:04:25.640 we hung out with him until two in the morning. 2:04:25.720 --> 2:04:27.600 He's a wonderful man and. 2:04:27.760 --> 2:04:29.480 Drank in the green room. 2:04:29.800 --> 2:04:32.760 And we're never going to reveal any of this, but 2:04:32.840 --> 2:04:35.520 we got off We got off the record scoop as well. 2:04:35.800 --> 2:04:39.400 So we are appreciative to Robert forever. And I would 2:04:39.560 --> 2:04:41.760 like to go dancing with him, so hopefully he knows 2:04:41.840 --> 2:04:43.200 that's going to be forced. 2:04:42.920 --> 2:04:43.920 Upon him at any moment. 2:04:44.000 --> 2:04:46.320 Yeah, we'll be socializing with him at a future date 2:04:46.400 --> 2:04:46.960 for sure. 2:04:47.720 --> 2:04:48.800 No, it's incredible. 2:04:48.920 --> 2:04:53.520 I love hearing about all like I like the process 2:04:53.560 --> 2:04:55.160 I like the job, I like the work. I like 2:04:55.240 --> 2:04:59.640 hearing about the work. So yeah, it was really fucking cool. 2:05:00.200 --> 2:05:02.640 Just Y, I don't know. I really liked him. 2:05:02.720 --> 2:05:06.440 And who knew that one tweet compliment with suddenly put 2:05:06.480 --> 2:05:08.440 two Jewish women into his life that he'll never be 2:05:08.480 --> 2:05:09.360 able to shake away. 2:05:09.520 --> 2:05:11.800 So well, I think he's also Jewish. 2:05:11.840 --> 2:05:15.160 But yeah, I just I loved his insights and it's 2:05:15.200 --> 2:05:19.120 fun to hear how you know they combine the stories, 2:05:19.200 --> 2:05:20.640 how they find stories, you. 2:05:20.600 --> 2:05:22.960 Know, stuff like that. That's kind of the bread and 2:05:23.000 --> 2:05:24.080 butter of our podcast. 2:05:24.200 --> 2:05:28.080 And it was a casting, the defense attorneys, the subbing 2:05:28.120 --> 2:05:32.640 in and out. It's who gets him excited, you know. 2:05:32.720 --> 2:05:36.280 And I arrested development west Wing Scoop. Send it Robert's way. 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:39.480 He wants to know, have you fucked someone from those shows? 2:05:39.520 --> 2:05:43.320 You tell him get into those dms and give that info. 2:05:44.440 --> 2:05:44.720 Yeah. 2:05:44.840 --> 2:05:47.320 I like the Also that no one can tell us 2:05:48.040 --> 2:05:50.560 this was based off the wrong crime because he told 2:05:50.640 --> 2:05:52.360 us what crime was based off of and gave me 2:05:52.400 --> 2:05:53.240 all of his information. 2:05:53.480 --> 2:05:54.840 So I loved that. 2:05:54.920 --> 2:05:57.960 I loved being able to get straight out of the 2:05:57.960 --> 2:05:58.640 writer's room. 2:06:00.640 --> 2:06:04.040 No, it's really wild who we get to talk to. 2:06:04.400 --> 2:06:09.520 It's it never really gets old for me. Yeah, talented, passionate, 2:06:09.800 --> 2:06:13.120 cool people just really giving us their time, and I 2:06:13.240 --> 2:06:13.440 like that. 2:06:13.920 --> 2:06:17.800 Yeah, this is a this was a crazy episode. What 2:06:17.880 --> 2:06:20.640 did you feel like you gleaned from this that crazy old, 2:06:20.720 --> 2:06:23.280 rich white men are insane and should not be allowed 2:06:23.280 --> 2:06:24.840 to think that they are living forever. 2:06:25.440 --> 2:06:30.120 And turn the rich burn them to death everywhere. I 2:06:30.120 --> 2:06:33.160 don't care always your uncle rich, well we're burning him, 2:06:33.240 --> 2:06:33.560 that's what. 2:06:34.840 --> 2:06:36.000 And it's all just so deep. 2:06:36.040 --> 2:06:39.360 I mean, these post mortems with time are just so depressing. 2:06:39.360 --> 2:06:42.240 It's just like every week we're like, well, I guess 2:06:42.320 --> 2:06:44.600 we learned. Everything's a nightmare and there's nothing we can 2:06:44.640 --> 2:06:47.600 do about it. Yeah, and next week join us. No, 2:06:47.840 --> 2:06:50.880 and here's a and here's an organization that's trying their best, 2:06:50.920 --> 2:06:54.440 but don't worry, they'll never truly solve anything because the 2:06:54.480 --> 2:06:58.240 horrors of the world are ever everlasting and changing. 2:06:58.480 --> 2:07:01.120 Then we can have a more postmortem. 2:07:01.360 --> 2:07:03.880 I think it's I thought it was interesting to look 2:07:03.880 --> 2:07:09.839 at how Sumner Redstone's family life was, like like working 2:07:09.880 --> 2:07:12.360 with your parents or working with a family member is 2:07:12.400 --> 2:07:15.640 so complicated, and like how business just fucked up their 2:07:15.680 --> 2:07:18.840 relationships so much, you know, like I don't know all 2:07:18.840 --> 2:07:22.680 these family conglomerates that are just like generations of inherited 2:07:22.720 --> 2:07:27.360 wealth and you know, inherited power. It's like wild and 2:07:27.480 --> 2:07:28.480 so dysfunctional. 2:07:28.640 --> 2:07:31.400 Well, because I wonder if love is void in their 2:07:31.480 --> 2:07:35.400 upbringings so they don't value it in terms of interpersonal relationships. 2:07:35.440 --> 2:07:38.360 Like if you're just judging people on like who has 2:07:38.440 --> 2:07:40.960 what and who is what, and it's not deeper real, 2:07:41.080 --> 2:07:43.480 then like you'll never be able to learn that, I 2:07:43.480 --> 2:07:45.800 don't think. I think then you marry another rich person 2:07:45.840 --> 2:07:47.840 with a title, and then you have kids and you 2:07:47.880 --> 2:07:49.760 send them to boarding school and teach them how to 2:07:49.760 --> 2:07:52.480 be dicks, and like, yeah, that's why these people just 2:07:52.560 --> 2:07:55.920 lack empathy and understanding of the real world. They don't 2:07:55.960 --> 2:07:57.200 have it. They don't have it. 2:07:57.400 --> 2:08:00.320 Yeah, And I mean sending facts is to it from 2:08:00.360 --> 2:08:00.800 your dad. 2:08:01.080 --> 2:08:04.000 Wow, Like I don't know how you're doing it, like, 2:08:04.680 --> 2:08:09.800 oh my god, faxing. But you know, I mentioned a 2:08:09.840 --> 2:08:11.839 friend of ours got to go to that white Lotus 2:08:11.880 --> 2:08:15.000 resort and she just said it was silent. Rich families 2:08:15.040 --> 2:08:18.920 not smiling or enjoying themselves, just like existing in paradise 2:08:19.040 --> 2:08:24.600 with no excitement, and that that. 2:08:24.560 --> 2:08:26.280 Is that is their lives. 2:08:26.360 --> 2:08:26.840 I don't know. 2:08:27.640 --> 2:08:30.680 That is sad, Yeah, because we all like want to 2:08:30.720 --> 2:08:33.360 be rich, but then the people that just are rich 2:08:34.240 --> 2:08:36.440 are not usually friendly. 2:08:36.520 --> 2:08:38.320 But it says it best about New York. 2:08:38.360 --> 2:08:39.920 She goes, you can't tell me a place with only 2:08:40.000 --> 2:08:42.120 rich people is the best place to be. It's just 2:08:42.160 --> 2:08:44.640 not true, you know what I mean, Like, a place 2:08:44.640 --> 2:08:46.480 with only rich people is not good. 2:08:47.000 --> 2:08:48.560 Yeah, that's a great quote. 2:08:48.720 --> 2:08:51.960 What's the what's the place that's really fancy? And your 2:08:52.240 --> 2:08:55.720 Monte Carlo montevist Like, what is the Monte Carlo? 2:08:55.840 --> 2:08:58.960 I think, no, but what's the one? Sandro pe No, 2:08:59.320 --> 2:09:01.000 what's like It's. 2:09:00.840 --> 2:09:04.320 Like Monico, Monaco, Monico, Monico. 2:09:05.000 --> 2:09:06.200 That's the wild. 2:09:05.880 --> 2:09:08.880 One, right, Monte Carlo, I feel like, is supposed to 2:09:08.920 --> 2:09:10.120 be hop But where even is that? 2:09:10.320 --> 2:09:13.000 I'm like that in Monaco? Maybe maybe? 2:09:13.480 --> 2:09:17.520 Yes, Monte Carlo is officially an administrative area of the 2:09:17.560 --> 2:09:18.800 Principality of Monaco. 2:09:19.280 --> 2:09:20.640 Yes, that's it. 2:09:20.880 --> 2:09:23.040 We were both right, and we're going to make a 2:09:23.080 --> 2:09:24.839 party of Monte Carlo someday. 2:09:25.480 --> 2:09:25.720 Now. 2:09:25.760 --> 2:09:29.600 I just wanna I want a coast where those little 2:09:29.600 --> 2:09:32.680 houses are all tight together, and you're looking at like 2:09:32.720 --> 2:09:34.800 a village of tight houses that are up on a 2:09:34.840 --> 2:09:36.160 Cliff like, that's what I want. 2:09:37.200 --> 2:09:38.840 That's what I want kind of what I'm looking at 2:09:38.920 --> 2:09:41.640 right now in a picture of Monte Carlo, right, But 2:09:42.280 --> 2:09:44.200 they're like, that's you know I think you're talking about. 2:09:44.240 --> 2:09:46.480 Like that was also like Porto Fino and like that 2:09:46.640 --> 2:09:51.640 Talian of vi Era. Yeah, so beautiful. We went. We 2:09:51.680 --> 2:09:54.720 went right from eat the rich, kill all money to 2:09:54.840 --> 2:09:56.840 like where we would go on a great vacation if 2:09:56.880 --> 2:09:59.440 we had the money. We're you know what, we all 2:09:59.440 --> 2:10:03.200 contain morelitudes and we'd like to think about, you know, 2:10:03.520 --> 2:10:08.040 hypothetical vacations in our minds. Should I move on to 2:10:08.360 --> 2:10:10.240 this week's what would Sister peg? Do? 2:10:10.920 --> 2:10:11.080 You know? 2:10:11.160 --> 2:10:12.920 This is our weekly segment where we give you guys 2:10:12.920 --> 2:10:16.080 a resource about something to give you more knowledge about 2:10:16.080 --> 2:10:18.360 something we learned in today's episode. And I thought it 2:10:18.400 --> 2:10:21.360 was kind of interesting how this teen in the show 2:10:21.440 --> 2:10:23.760 kept being like, oh, it's true, like you do have 2:10:23.800 --> 2:10:26.000 to like get a girl to sign a contract a 2:10:26.080 --> 2:10:28.160 qustor these days, and like he'd been taught all these 2:10:28.200 --> 2:10:32.280 shitty views of consent and you know what it means 2:10:32.320 --> 2:10:36.520 to initiate romantic contact with someone, And so I think 2:10:36.640 --> 2:10:38.960 that that starts when they're really young. So I was 2:10:39.440 --> 2:10:42.720 looking around and I found this place called the Childmind Institute, 2:10:43.200 --> 2:10:45.080 And we'll have a link in our show notes as 2:10:45.160 --> 2:10:48.920 usual and in our Instagram story. But they have a 2:10:48.920 --> 2:10:51.720 guide on how to talk to kids about consent and boundaries, 2:10:51.720 --> 2:10:54.080 and it's a downloadable PDF that explains what it means 2:10:54.080 --> 2:10:56.600 to get consent before sex. This is probably for those 2:10:56.640 --> 2:10:58.920 of you that I don't know, maybe your kids on 2:10:59.120 --> 2:11:03.240 the pew pre puberty like age or something, because I 2:11:03.240 --> 2:11:04.880 don't know that I need to be showing this pdf 2:11:04.880 --> 2:11:06.480 to Rosie right now, but you know what I mean, 2:11:06.600 --> 2:11:09.880 like so that they're getting consent before sex, they understand 2:11:09.920 --> 2:11:12.000 that like, oh, a sex act is like two people 2:11:12.080 --> 2:11:13.600 mutually having a good time. 2:11:13.800 --> 2:11:16.520 Like no one should be sitting there frozen, not speaking. 2:11:16.640 --> 2:11:16.840 You know. 2:11:17.200 --> 2:11:19.600 I think that, you know, it's really important to teach 2:11:19.600 --> 2:11:22.480 teenagers about consent and the necessity of consent being verbal 2:11:22.600 --> 2:11:25.960 and so you know, it's awkward conversations, but they're ones 2:11:25.960 --> 2:11:28.400 that we have to have. So this is a handy 2:11:28.480 --> 2:11:32.240 dandy little PDF that will help you with that convo. 2:11:32.480 --> 2:11:33.400 So check that out. 2:11:33.440 --> 2:11:36.200 And as always, all of our what would sister peg 2:11:36.240 --> 2:11:40.400 dos from all time are in our highlight WWSPD on 2:11:40.560 --> 2:11:41.320 our Instagram. 2:11:41.880 --> 2:11:45.840 Amazing. Thank you so much for that. Yeah, consent is important. 2:11:45.920 --> 2:11:49.080 It's so weird that rape is just part of our 2:11:49.080 --> 2:11:53.080 culture and for thousands of years like just no big deal. 2:11:53.480 --> 2:11:55.520 It's like, oh my god. 2:11:56.280 --> 2:11:59.560 But yeah, so I'm really hopeful for all these children 2:11:59.680 --> 2:12:05.200 learning all these new ways to respect humanity. Anyways, next 2:12:05.200 --> 2:12:08.600 week we'll be doing a silly episode, Send in the Clowns, 2:12:08.760 --> 2:12:13.920 Send in the Clowns. Fun Fun, Fun Season nineteen episodes seventeen. 2:12:14.200 --> 2:12:17.040 It's a wild one. Buckle up. It's fun. 2:12:17.680 --> 2:12:19.800 Cannot wait to talk to you guys next week. Thank 2:12:19.840 --> 2:12:22.800 you for always listening. We appreciate it so much. Xoxo. 2:12:23.200 --> 2:12:32.720 Yeah, talk to you guys next week. 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