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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody.

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Speaker 2: Pre recording from the Home Bunker.

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Speaker 1: Folks, I am taking a little bit of a break,

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Speaker 1: but as always I leave you with fresh content and interviews.

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Speaker 1: Excited to welcome back to the show. On this episode,

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Speaker 1: our friend former Republican Thank God, Kurt Bardella. And in

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Speaker 1: today's conversation we're talking about that horrific country star and artists,

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Speaker 1: the white supremacist, the racist Jason Alden who wrote the

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Speaker 1: song try Don't Try that in a small town or

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Speaker 1: whatever the fuck it's called.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. But since this.

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Speaker 1: Recording with Kurt, al Dean has taken out the images

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Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter protests from his video, his extraordinarily controversial,

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Speaker 1: disgusting bullhorn of white supremacy song and video. He's taken

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Speaker 1: out those clippings, but that doesn't change the intent, It

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Speaker 1: doesn't change the desire for him, a man who, by

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Speaker 1: the way, wore blackface for Halloween one year and has

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Speaker 1: said a whole slew of racist things. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: because his song as of the time of this recording

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Speaker 1: is number two on the iTunes. Because racists support racists,

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Speaker 1: and that's what we know to be true.

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Speaker 2: Kurt and I.

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Speaker 1: Get into a conversation because he thinks, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: CMT shouldn't have pulled the video because the controversy just

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Speaker 1: added more fuel to the fire and added to the

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Speaker 1: popularity of the song because it had been out since

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Speaker 1: May and no one was paying attention to it. So

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Speaker 1: al Dian was like, oh, well, let me know, get

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Speaker 1: some clicks, So let me make this horrific video in

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Speaker 1: front of a site of one of the most disgusting

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Speaker 1: lynchings in American history, and let me do that. And

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Speaker 1: so his thought was, well, maybe CMT should have just

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Speaker 1: played the video at like three o'clock in the morning,

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Speaker 1: right and had it on rotation at a time that

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Speaker 1: nobody would have been paying attention to it, and kind

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Speaker 1: of let the issue lay. I am curious to know

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Speaker 1: whether or not you all agree with Kurt. But we

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Speaker 1: get into the conversation because Kurt is big in country music.

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Speaker 1: That is his other job, aside from politics, you know,

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Speaker 1: creating the images and media for country music stars. So

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Speaker 1: he is very embedded as a person of color, very

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Speaker 1: get his perspective on the controversy. So we get into

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Speaker 1: that conversation and so much more on this episode.

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Speaker 2: Folks.

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Speaker 1: You know that whenever I have the opportunity to speak

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Speaker 1: with our friend Kurt Bardella, former Republican Democratic strategists, all

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Speaker 1: around opinionator, you see him all over MSNBC, read his

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Speaker 1: writing in the La Times, USA Today and other spaces.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I got a shout out one.

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Speaker 1: Of my followers and fans who said, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: country music, why don't you have Kurt Bardella on? And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, thank you so much for that reminder, Kurt,

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Speaker 1: you wear so many hats. I forgot about this one.

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Speaker 1: But a little while back, we had doctor Jonathan metzel On,

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Speaker 1: author of Dying of Whiteness, who teaches at Vanderbilt University

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Speaker 1: in Tennessee, and you know, to get his thoughts on

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Speaker 1: Jason Aldean, I've spoke to others on the other shows

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Speaker 1: that that I host. I've spoken to his music historians

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Speaker 1: about the roots of country music and it predominantly being

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Speaker 1: white and quote unquote conservative and racist, and so I

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Speaker 1: and just to get your your first year reflections on

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Speaker 1: this controversy that has had Jason Aldene's song, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Skyrocket on on iTunes, Skyrocket in sales, and it is

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Speaker 1: not a dog whistle, It is a bullhorn of racism.

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Speaker 1: So your initial reactions, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's interesting because a few months back in May,

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Speaker 3: Jason being there and previewing some of his new music.

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Speaker 3: And one of the songs that he played for this

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Speaker 3: group of people that I was part of was try

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Speaker 3: to myself, my God, like, this is the maga anthem

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Speaker 3: right here. This is the song that will be played

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Speaker 3: the way that you know, Jason goes musically tapping into

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Speaker 3: this perceived white grievance. You know that we hear all

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Speaker 3: over the time that oh my god, these people, and

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Speaker 3: going to take away their guns, their heritage, their culture,

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Speaker 3: it into some radicalized, crimeing fested, Antifa loving, you know,

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Speaker 3: scary nation. That's really what that these types of songs

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Speaker 3: are about. Forward to the last couple of weeks, and

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Speaker 3: I wish, I wish somebody who is in the decision

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Speaker 3: making process about how they were going to react to

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Speaker 3: this song, what things were going to happen, would have

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Speaker 3: talked to me before doing anything, because I remember back

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Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen when the Trump banning stuff started, I

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Speaker 3: remember saying, oftentimes to our mutual friend Joy Read, the

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Speaker 3: worst thing that you could do to people like Trump

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Speaker 3: and Steve Bannon is to not talk about them, not

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Speaker 3: even acknowledge that they exist. They crave attention, they crave controversy,

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Speaker 3: the court, you know that discord and divide. That's what

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Speaker 3: they get off on the same kind of logic applies

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Speaker 3: a little bit to stuff like this. The day that

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Speaker 3: country us a television CMT poll the Jason Elton music

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Speaker 3: video from the location was the best day of that

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Speaker 3: world's life. They love. They were high five like that,

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Speaker 3: What a gift this is. How amazing is it that

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Speaker 3: they're so scared of what we're doing that they're going

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Speaker 3: to try to censor us. I could have told you

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Speaker 3: right then and there that this song's going to be

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Speaker 3: massively consumed. Now. You know when when when this started, the.

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Speaker 1: Song had been out for a month, right right.

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Speaker 3: No one was talking about it, No one gave a

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Speaker 3: shit about it. Now you pour gasoline on it and

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Speaker 3: it's everywhere. It becomes a conservative cost to leve. It

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Speaker 3: becomes something that that type of person leans into. Uh.

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Speaker 3: They have made themselves out to be the victim because

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Speaker 3: an action was taken against them, and so they get

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Speaker 3: to now play that role that they do so often

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Speaker 3: it was such a strategic tactical error. Understand I understand

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Speaker 3: why people feel compelled to speak out against it. The

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Speaker 3: imagery that is disturbing, the overt racist. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: not even covert it's over racism here, folks. But at

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Speaker 3: the same time, the way that you have to approach

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Speaker 3: this conversation, particularly in this format, it's like, I would

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Speaker 3: might actually make it so that more people now are

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Speaker 3: exposed to this song than would have ever heard it

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Speaker 3: in the first place. And that's kind of what happened,

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Speaker 1: But I want to push back a little bit because

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you this, Right, we were told

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Speaker 1: the same things about Donald Trump right back in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: It was Donald Trump is a joke, right, He's a

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Speaker 1: unquote good TV. But we were told to ignore him,

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Speaker 1: right that eventually it would go away, and it metastasized.

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Speaker 1: And so I wonder if if, with the same logic here,

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Speaker 1: if Jason Alden's video hadn't been because the song wasn't pulled.

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Speaker 1: The song came out in May, the video came out recently,

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Speaker 1: and it was the video where he's like, oh, they're

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Speaker 1: not paying attention to the song, so let me bring

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Speaker 1: in images of lynching, right, Like, let me recall this

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Speaker 1: and the good old boys and all of this bullshit

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Speaker 2: Attention to it.

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Speaker 1: If CMT hadn't unpulled it, right like, do we think

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Speaker 1: that then they would have We would have called them

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Speaker 1: I believe that if we had truly ignored, if we

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Speaker 1: had given Donald Trump the type of attention that was

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Speaker 1: needed to say, this kind of politics is dangerous and

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Speaker 2: That it has.

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Speaker 3: I hear that. I think my thing with Trump is,

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Speaker 3: even though we talked about it that way, it never

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Speaker 3: advertising in that campaign from the mainstream meeting who it

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Speaker 3: to diminish someone, then then okay, don't pull the video,

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with people pointing out

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Speaker 3: and here's why. I don't think there's anything wrong with

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Speaker 3: saying the video where you filmed that was the site

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Speaker 3: of a freaking lynching for Crag out Loud. Where you

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Speaker 3: hung that American flag behind you is where a guy

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Speaker 3: like you know was strung.

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Speaker 2: I'm not actually yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like there's nothing wrong with providing that context. I

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Speaker 3: just think that, especially in the country music space, the

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Speaker 3: an audience who when outsiders perceived the be outsiders come

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Speaker 3: how they should interpret lyrics, why they should be ashamed

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Speaker 3: doesn't really matter to them. If you've never listened to

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Speaker 3: a Jason Elding song inside of this one, they really

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Speaker 3: you've got to have people that actually have credibility, that

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Speaker 3: here's why this is disturbing. Maybe there's a way we

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Speaker 3: can work towards a better resolution that doesn't involve this

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Speaker 3: thing getting seventeen million views in this man in like

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Speaker 1: As a non white person in this space, Kurve, what

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Speaker 1: has your I mean did what has your experience been,

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Speaker 1: you know, walking into concerts and going to these events

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Speaker 1: This is exactly why I wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 3: lot of friends, and it shows he's just so it's

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Speaker 3: so uncomfortable to watch him try and perform. I guess

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Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, and and none of

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Speaker 3: that is the fault of staff. None of that is

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Speaker 3: the fault of a campaign mechanic or organization or fundraising.

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Speaker 3: It's like, no, the flawd to death star is actually

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Speaker 3: the candidate and you can't really do anything about that

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Speaker 3: other than have that candidate take a step back.

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Speaker 1: Last quar soon for you, Kurt. You know, Republican debates

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Speaker 1: coming up the end of next month and or I

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Speaker 1: guess like the end of August, and Donald Trump probably

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Speaker 1: is not going to show up. Ron DeSantis is probably

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Speaker 1: not going to show up. So who comes out the

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Speaker 1: winner and the looser of that of who's left on

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Speaker 1: the clown car?

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Speaker 2: In the clown car, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know why any candidate that has any self respect would

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Speaker 3: actually want to participate in what is the tier to debate,

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Speaker 3: because you're just acknowledging that you're that you're not a

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Speaker 3: main event player. If I'm Ron DeSantis, I'm reevaluating this

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Speaker 3: because like, man, you need as much exposure as you

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Speaker 3: can get right now because you're in free fall. If

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Speaker 3: you're Donald Trump. You know, there's a part of that

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Speaker 3: always wonders what Trump, because it's like, you know, he

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Speaker 3: loves being the center of pretention and everyone shows up

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Speaker 3: and he does it. That's going to bug him.

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Speaker 1: But then he can just he can just use his

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Speaker 1: broke ass Twitter the entire time and you know, and

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Speaker 1: will stage down.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a part of that wonders, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: if if he's indicted again, like what his mental state is.

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Speaker 3: It's like, is he going to feel like he needs

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Speaker 3: to come out and fight and then show up that way?

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Speaker 3: And again I don't think he will. I think I don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm Donald Trump, I'll not show up either.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason too, you're beating the crap on of

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Speaker 3: all these guys. You have nothing to gain other than

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Speaker 3: satisfying your massively ginormous ego, which is something that's like, listen,

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Speaker 3: when it comes to Donald Trump, I think we've all

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Speaker 3: learned you never know you never know what he's going

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Speaker 3: to do. If there's a dumb thing to do, he

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Speaker 3: just might do it.

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Speaker 2: You just might do it. So we won't.

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Speaker 1: We won't will we won't make our bets yet, we'll

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Speaker 1: do it clotheser too to see if he's indicted.

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Speaker 2: For a third time and a fourth time before that happens.

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Speaker 1: As always, my friend, Kurt Bardella, always a pleasure of

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Speaker 1: getting your analysis, and you know doing that deep march

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Speaker 1: into the Republican break.

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Speaker 3: I sadly know it, well.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you. That is it for me today.

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Speaker 1: Dear friends on Woke af AS always power to the

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Speaker 1: people and to all the people.

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Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.