1 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: It's a special covert show of the Iowa caucuses on 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg TV and Radio. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: We thank you for joining us. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: The race called early for Donald Trump, but we've got 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: a long way to go here in figuring out second, 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: third and the margins of victory. Bloomberg's Julie Fine joins 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: us for more from the Iowa Election Center, where she's 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: got her eyes on the numbers right now. Julie, how 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: long do you think we'll wait to learn more? 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a while before we 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 3: really determine second and third place because if you look 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: at the numbers that have come in, they're in the 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: smaller counties and they're smaller groups of people. So let's 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: talk to our global audience a little bit. In a 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: caucus situation, people come together and vote. The numbers that 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: they're getting now are from smaller groups, from more outlying areas. 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: You're going to need a big dump from Des Moines 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 3: or the bigger cities to really get that picture on 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: second place. And right now, the numbers are really showing 20 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: that Governor Ron DeSantis and Governor NICKI Haley, the former 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: ambassador to the UN, they're really locked in at seventeen percent. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: But again I really want a caution here, we're looking 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: at just about one percent of the vote. So the 24 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: former president right now is well above fifty percent. But 25 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: to really dissect the seventeen percent, you're going to have 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: to see bigger numbers from bigger counties. 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: Now, the former president. 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: Of course, Joe and Kayley we have talked about this, 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: needed to make a very big number tonight to make 30 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: a statement over fifty percent. Right now, he is there. 31 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: So now again the race is for second place. What 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 3: I'll really be watching is Sue County to see how 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: that goes. For Governor DeSantis. You also have to really 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: pay attention to Des Moines and the Des Moines suburbs 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: to see where that plays out. For Nicky Hayley, those 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: numbers appear not to be in quite yet. So again 37 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: there is a long way to go in that race 38 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: for second place. Now is something you really have to 39 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 3: keep keep your eye on. Why you really have to 40 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: keep your eye on that For the Governor of Florida, 41 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis, his eggs are in the Iowa basket. If 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 3: he does not do as well as Nikki Haley or 43 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: their neck and neck here he goes to New Hampshire, 44 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: where Hayley has really been putting on the press for 45 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: votes and for the win. This is a critical, critical 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: night for Ron DeSantis and for the Desandas campaign. 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: Kaylee and Joe the Bourbon Vitory. 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 5: All right, Bloomberg's Julie Fine at the election Center, thank 49 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 5: you so much. Back with us now around the table, 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 5: Rick Davis and Jeanie shan Zeno. 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 4: So, Genie, she was just. 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 5: Making the point there about how invested DeSantis has been 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 5: in New Hampshire, how this feels, at least to many 54 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 5: of us who have been watching it, like something of 55 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 5: a make or break moment for his campaign. Even if 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 5: he gets second place, if Trump's lead is commanding enough, 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 5: can his campaign realistically move forward from here? 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 6: You know, I think he probably will, especially he comes 59 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 6: in second. But I do think it's a real uphill 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 6: battle when we look at some of the models. You know, 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 6: it becomes increasingly harder for either DeSantis or Haley if 62 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 6: they lose in Iowa, lose in New Hampshire to get 63 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 6: the number of delegates they need to beat Donald Trump. 64 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 6: So I think it's an uphill battle for him even 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 6: if he comes in second, because we talked about the 66 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 6: fact he doesn't have much of a game in New Hampshire. 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 6: He's going to try in South Carolina. He's not pulling 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 6: well there. Nevada has been completely pulled out from under 69 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 6: them due to what Trump has done there. 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: So it's really. 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 6: Really tough to see where he goes from here, especially 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 6: even if he comes in second numerically and in terms 73 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 6: of the actual percentage to lose counties, not when any 74 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 6: which could happen. 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: I think it's. 76 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 6: Really hard to make the case that there's a pathway 77 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 6: forward for him. 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: Boy, this is remarkable the extent to which the narrative 79 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: has changed since we came on the air this year. 80 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: Evening Ronda Santis, to Julie Fine's point, put his eggs 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: in the Iowa basket. 82 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: Nicki Haley put her eggs. 83 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 1: Somewhere in New Hampshire, and I wonder how she can 84 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: control the narrative in the next four days moving into 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: Manchester to spin whatever happens here tonight is maybe not 86 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: a positive, but something that could be followed on by 87 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: a big win in the first of the nation primary state. 88 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say Nicki Haley is running a multi 89 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 7: state campaign, right. Ronda Santis is running a single state campaign. 90 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 7: She did come in late off of some momentum that 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 7: she was generating, and spent heavily. 92 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: In the last two weeks. 93 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 7: She's dominated the airwaves, spending much much more than Donald 94 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 7: Trump and Ronda Santis combined. So she played here, she 95 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 7: just played in a different way without the ground game. 96 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 7: We're going to see whether or not that materializes as 97 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 7: a second place finish for her. But she does have 98 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 7: a very strong operation in New Hampshire, starting with the endorsement. 99 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: Of the incredibly popular gup. 100 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 7: Chris Snuda and his entire state organization is behind her, 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 7: in addition to the fact that, as Genie has pointed out, 102 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 7: she has built her own impressive organization there and has 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 7: attended and put on many town halls that New Hampshire 104 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 7: voters love to test their candidates in. So she actually 105 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 7: starts well ahead even before the night is over, well 106 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 7: ahead of ron De Santis in New Hampshire and frankly 107 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 7: on par with the organization and the support that Donald 108 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 7: Trump has there. So she knows the game starts for 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 7: her in New Hampshire tonight as soon as she gets 110 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 7: on a plane and leaves here. Whether it's to night 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 7: or first thing tomorrow morning. She has a fresh start 112 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 7: with some momentum. She hasn't been written out of this 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 7: narrative yet. And and you know it's game on in 114 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 7: New Hampshire tomorrow. 115 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 5: Well, you say she's running a multi state campaign, DeSantis 116 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: maybe has been a single state campaign to this point. 117 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 5: Either way, we've seen them. It's very expensive. So the 118 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 5: donor question is raised here as well. DeSantis has been 119 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 5: going after Haley in recent weeks on the idea that 120 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 5: she's in this for her donors issues, whereas he says 121 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: he's in it for voters issues. But he struggled in 122 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 5: the donor department in a way that she hasn't. Their 123 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 5: fates almost in that regard have reversed. How does the 124 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 5: outcome in Iowa impact their ability to access resources going forward? 125 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: How do you fundraise if you haven't just won? 126 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, you have to live off the land, and unfortunately 127 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 7: I've been involved with a lot. 128 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 4: Of companies you go foraging. 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 7: Had to live off the land, and it is possible. Yeah, 130 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 7: you find other ways to compete, you do. Frankly, what 131 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 7: Ron DeSantis has been doing here is going and putting 132 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 7: yourself out there with five six events a day, And 133 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 7: part of the advantage Nikki Haley has is she's been 134 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 7: working that hard, she's been doing those events every day, 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 7: but she's also got a little bit of moment where 136 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 7: the money has rushed in. Look, there's a reason that 137 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 7: front runners usually win because they have the money, and 138 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 7: insurgents usually complain that, you know, it's a money game 139 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 7: for them, voters don't care. In fact, I think most 140 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 7: voters respect the fact that a campaign can raise money 141 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 7: because at the end of the day, whoever is the 142 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 7: Republican nominee, they're going to have to raise a lot 143 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 7: of money to beat Joe Biden. 144 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: He is sitting there. 145 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 7: With over one hundred million dollars cash in an account, 146 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 7: ready to wage a campaign war against. 147 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: The Republican nominee. 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: See, we haven't talked about Joe Biden for most of 149 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: the night. It might be the first time I've heard 150 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: that name. Are they popping quarks here at Biden campaign headquarters? 151 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Because the narrative was that, you know, he wants to 152 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: face Trump again, he is the one he knows he 153 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: can beat. But numbers like this might make you think twice. 154 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 6: You know, I think they're popping them quietly they don't 155 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 6: want to get out ahead of themselves. But the reality is, 156 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 6: you look at the polls, and the national polls were 157 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 6: showing that who could beat him. Nicky Haley, Bronda Santis 158 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 6: and Trump were beating him within a margin in the 159 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 6: latest polls, but Nicki Haley had a pretty commanding lead 160 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 6: over Biden. And so we've long thought that the Biden 161 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 6: campaign would prefer to run against somebody as unpopular as 162 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 6: the president is, quite frankly, and that is Donald Trump. 163 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 6: So if that narrative continues, then I think they are 164 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 6: quietly saying this is where we want to be. We 165 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 6: beat him before we can do it again. But you know, 166 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 6: I think that's a really dangerous game. Donald Trump is 167 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 6: an incredibly good politician as long as he much as 168 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 6: he likes to say is not. He's great at this, 169 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 6: and Joe Biden is as well, So I think they 170 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 6: have to be careful what they wish for. 171 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Of Course, the Bloomberg Morning Console poll Kayley in the 172 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: seven swing states we've been following show Joe Biden actually 173 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: has probably more to worry about. 174 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: The conventional wisdom might suggest we're going to. 175 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: Stick with Rick and Jeanie here and we'll be back 176 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: with more of our conversation live from Des Moines. Coming up, 177 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: we will add the voice of a real insider, a 178 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: long time Iowa political strategist. David Kotchel is with us 179 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: next on a special Balance of Power on Bloomberg TV 180 00:08:50,040 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: and Radio. It's a special coverage of the Iowa Caucuses 181 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg TV and radio. We're live in Des Moines 182 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: and joining us now a long time Iowa political strategist. 183 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: They call him the Dean of Iowa politics. 184 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: That would be David Conchulu. 185 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: Is wonderful to have you at the table here in 186 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: the throes of a night like this. 187 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: David, we had an early call. 188 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: For Donald Trump, but still a lot of questions about 189 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: margins and turnout as we look at these very cold 190 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: people walking by, knowing the weather was a real factor here. 191 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: What are you hearing about turnout. 192 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 8: At the stage the game, Well, it's going to be 193 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 8: well under what was expected. 194 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 9: Yeah, obviously in twenty sixteen, one hundred and eighty seven 195 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 9: thousand people turned out. Twenty twenty four, I think most 196 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 9: people were setting the over under one hundred and fifty thousand, 197 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 9: and a lot of people would have taken the over 198 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 9: The truth is this campaign hasn't been that exciting because 199 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 9: Donald Trump has had a big lead almost all the 200 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 9: way through Iowa. So there's two campaigns now to watch. 201 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 9: It's Trump versus himself. Can he get over fifty? If 202 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 9: he's under fifty, that says half of Iowa voters said no, 203 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 9: thank you. And then the race obviously for second place. 204 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 9: This high stakes for Ron DeSantis bets it all here. 205 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 9: It's really the only place he's campaigned, spent a ton 206 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 9: of money, and he and Nikki Haley are going to 207 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 9: go I think back and forth all night. I have 208 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 9: a feeling that if they're deadlocked right now with just 209 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 9: a few counties in the largest counties report latest because 210 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 9: these are hand counted ballots on the ground by volunteers. 211 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 9: So those big, huge counties in places like Clive in 212 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 9: Dallas County in Marion and Lynn County, Bettendorf's big suburbs 213 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 9: where she overperforms, if those come in late, that might 214 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 9: her put her past DeSantis, in which case I think 215 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 9: DeSantis has a lot to think about overnight. 216 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 5: Do you think realistically we could see DeSantis out of 217 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 5: this race as soon as tomorrow morning? 218 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 9: You could if he finishes in third place after having 219 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 9: Governor Reynolds Bob Vander plots a bunch of legislators over 220 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 9: one hundred million dollars in spending from the super pack, 221 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 9: the biggest ground game spend we've ever seen in Iowa 222 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 9: started in the high thirties here when he got into 223 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 9: the race and just kind. 224 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 8: Of fell over the summer in the fall. 225 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 9: What case can he make if he finishes third here, 226 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 9: He's already well behind in New Hampshire, He's well behind 227 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 9: in South Carolina. Those are the next two contests that matter. 228 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 9: It's really hard to argue that somehow on March fifth, 229 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 9: on Super Tuesday, he's going to be resurrected. So I 230 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 9: don't see a path for him if he finishes third. 231 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 9: If he's in second, maybe he has to go on 232 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 9: to New Hampshire and see what happens. Maybe something happens 233 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 9: in the race that we can't foresee. But he's in 234 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 9: tough shape if he comes out of Iowa third tonight. 235 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: Before seven thirty tonight when this race was called and 236 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: some of the other things that you've learned since then, 237 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: did you expect to hear concession speeches from anyone coming 238 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,239 Speaker 1: out of Iowa. 239 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 8: No. 240 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 9: I've been around this a long time, six presidential campaigns, 241 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 9: a few of whom didn't make it the distance. It's 242 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 9: tough for a campaign to drop out after all this investment. 243 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 9: You want to get with your family, you want to 244 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 9: get with your top strategies, you want to talk about it. 245 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 9: Usually there isn't a snap decision on a night like this, 246 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 9: so I wouldn't expect to hear any concessions tonight. I 247 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 9: think tomorrow morning everyone's going to wake up reassessed, see 248 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 9: what their path is forward. If they can make a 249 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 9: credible argument for a path forward, they'll try to stay in. 250 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 8: You also have the idea that. 251 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 9: If you don't do well here, if you perform below expectations, 252 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 9: you're not going to expect any more money to be 253 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 9: coming in over the next week. And these campaigns run on, 254 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 9: you know, campaign donations. You got to have some money 255 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 9: to go to New Hampshire. That's a Boston TV market 256 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 9: costs about a million bucks a week. You know, I 257 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 9: don't know that DeSantis is going to have the resources 258 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 9: to continue to compete, especially if he finishes, you know, 259 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 9: in third place, where he was not expected to finish. 260 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 5: We've talked at length about Governor DeSantis, about Inbassador Haley, 261 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 5: about Trump. This evening, we have not mentioned another candidate 262 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 5: who spent a lot of time here. For vig Ramaswami, 263 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 5: he says he did a double grassley. He went to 264 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,479 Speaker 5: all ninety nine counties twice. Does that traditional Iowa politicking 265 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: not matter anymore if he's barely even registering enough for 266 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 5: us to bring him up until we're an hour and 267 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 5: forty five minutes into this program. 268 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 9: I think vivek Is is a special case here. If 269 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 9: you liked to eviake Ramaswami and you showed up at 270 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 9: his events, you were voting for Donald Trump. He's kind 271 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 9: of the mini Trump in this race. He had that message, 272 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 9: and I kind of think he really wasn't running to 273 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 9: be president. He's kind of running to be a mega celebrity. 274 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 9: Maybe Alex Jones. I just think his campaign hasn't been 275 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 9: serious for a while. The first couple of debates, he 276 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 9: was two completely different people. I think Iowan's you know 277 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 9: they up close. I think they found him to be 278 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 9: phony and I felt like he wasn't going anywhere for 279 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 9: the last two months, and it's. 280 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 8: Proved to be true. 281 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: Well, if he's pulling at eight percent and he drops 282 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: out to those votes go straight to Donald Trump. They do. 283 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, And in New Hampshire, I don't even think he's 284 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 9: pulling at eight percent. I think he's pulling well below 285 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 9: that here. 286 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 8: I so I don't. Yeah. 287 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 9: Here in Iowa, Yeah, and I look, he's not going 288 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 9: to hit eight percent tonight. Those votes already went to 289 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 9: Donald Trump and might be the thing that puts him 290 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 9: over fifty, which is I think where they want to be. 291 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 9: So yeah, Vivick just didn't couldn't, couldn't land it here. 292 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 9: As much time as he spent, he pulled out. 293 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 8: His money a while back. He's been off the air. 294 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 9: So you know, I think most people who are watching 295 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 9: this closely saw that coming. 296 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 5: We are joined by a global audience this evening on 297 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 5: television and radio. There's people watching from all over the 298 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: world who essentially are trying to figure out what this 299 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: means for who's going to be the nominee in twenty 300 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: twenty four. 301 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: To what extent right now do you think the. 302 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 5: Iowa electorate Republicans Here in Iowa are those who perhaps 303 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 5: decided to register as Republicans for this evening to participate 304 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 5: in this choice to what extent do you think that 305 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 5: is reflected of the country more widely in terms of 306 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 5: the issues that are resonating for voters. Do we think, 307 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: actually Iowa may be more reflective this time around of 308 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 5: the way the rest of this race. 309 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: Is going to go. 310 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, but Iowa is usually not a great predictor who 311 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 9: the nominee is. 312 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if this time is different. 313 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, well it might be different. 314 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 9: We have to go through New Hampshire and kind of 315 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 9: see what New Hampshire does. New Hampshire likes to say, Okay, 316 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 9: Iowa a nice work, we're going to change it now, 317 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 9: And we heard Nikki Hayley joke about that a week 318 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 9: or so ago in New Hampshire. What Iowa's job really 319 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 9: is and what people need to understand. We're not picking 320 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 9: the nominee here. We're winnowing the field down to a 321 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 9: manageable race where voters really get to say, Okay, of 322 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 9: these two or three viable candidates, now we're going to 323 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 9: select them. We've already dispensed with a whole bunch of 324 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 9: candidates that had high hopes coming in here. Mike Pence 325 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 9: is out, Tim Scott is out, Doug Bergham is out. 326 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 9: A whole host of candidates didn't even make it to Iowa. 327 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 9: Usually we say there are three tickets out of Iowa. 328 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 9: I actually think tonight there might be two. And that 329 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 9: would be interesting because that puts us in a one 330 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 9: on one race with Donald Trump. Well before we saw 331 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 9: that in twenty sixteen, we were in Florida with multiple candidates, 332 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 9: way down the calendar into March. And what Trump doesn't want, 333 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 9: he wants to wrap this up. He's got a lot 334 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 9: of other things on his plate right now. What we 335 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 9: need to see is can New Hampshire maybe reverse this 336 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 9: result show a little bit of vulnerability with Trump. 337 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 8: If Nikki Haley were to weak. 338 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 9: Past him in New Hampshire, I think that'll scramble the 339 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,119 Speaker 9: national polls. Some the money will flood into her campaign, 340 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 9: and I think Donald Trump might have a race in 341 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 9: South Carolina. He's got a lead now, but this is 342 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 9: part of a whole several months where he's had a 343 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 9: dominant national lead and other states aren't paying as closive 344 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 9: attention as they are here where he could finish under fifty, 345 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 9: and as they are in New Hampshire. So he's the 346 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 9: overwhelming front runner now. There is no question about that. 347 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 9: If he were to lose New Hampshire, I think you'd 348 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 9: watch some national polling change and there might be a 349 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 9: few cracks in that inevitability. 350 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 5: All right, Well, at the very least he's claimed that 351 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 5: first ticket out of Iowa. We're still waiting to see 352 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 5: who gets the second. David Kachel, thank you so much 353 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 5: for joining us here and j join this evening. We 354 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 5: appreciate it. 355 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 8: Thank you. 356 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 5: Now, coming up, we'll be back with Rick Davis and 357 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 5: Jeanie Shanzeno to help close out this night special coverage 358 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 5: of the Iowa Caucuses on Bloomberg Television and Radio. This 359 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 5: is special coverage of the Iowa Caucuses on Bloomberg Television 360 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 5: and Radio. We're getting more numbers out throughout this evening 361 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 5: after the race was called for former President Donald Trump 362 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 5: and Bloomberg Tyler Kendall is here with the latest. Tyler, 363 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 5: what else do we know? What are the figures selling us? 364 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 10: Yep, Kelly, So, now about thirty six percent of the 365 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 10: expected vote is in and that includes most of eastern 366 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 10: Iowa and also central Iowa. I want to pull out 367 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 10: two counties. One is Pole County where we are here 368 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 10: in des Moines that is trending towards former President Trump, 369 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 10: as well as Dallas County that is right to the 370 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 10: west of US. It is the fastest growing county in Iowa. 371 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 10: These two counties very populous, but also considered more moderate 372 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 10: places where Nikki Haley has really been focusing her campaign attention. 373 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 10: Interesting too, Dallas County met Romney in twenty twelve. In 374 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 10: that general election, he won it by twelve points. Trump 375 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 10: than won it by nine points, but the last election 376 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 10: he only won it by two So this was an 377 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 10: area that Nikki Hilly's campaign has really been targeting, trying 378 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 10: to get those moderate voters. These were these central counties 379 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 10: that I think she was hoping to make a splash 380 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 10: in tonight. 381 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 4: All right, Tyler, thank you so much. 382 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 5: And as we close out the program this evening, Joe, 383 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 5: we got to bring in our closers as we always do. 384 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: That's correct. 385 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: There's only one closing panel and that's Rick Davis and 386 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: Jeanie Shanzo. 387 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 2: This move fast tonight. We're not done. 388 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm wondering Rick, if we're going to wake up tomorrow 389 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: and no second and third places. 390 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think the reporting is coming in on pace. 391 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 7: And as Dave Kotchwe was talking about some of these 392 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 7: bigger counties, bigger precincts. Takes a while to hang count 393 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 7: all those ballots, but the reporting system seems to be 394 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 7: working perfectly. The chairman of the Republican Party told us that, 395 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 7: you know, he thought it was going to be smooth, 396 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 7: and it looks like he made good on that promise. 397 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: So I think we'll know by the time we wake 398 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: up in the morning. But maybe we just shouldn't go to. 399 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 7: Sleep until we find out who's going to be in 400 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 7: second place in Iowa. 401 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 5: Well, let's say volunteering all of us all nighters here, Jeanie, 402 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 5: I just had something hit my inbox from Gavin Newsom, 403 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 5: the governor of California. A short while ago, Donald Trump 404 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 5: won the Iowa caucus. He is now one step closer 405 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 5: to becoming the Republican nominee than goes. 406 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: On to ask for donations. 407 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 5: How does this shape the race beyond just the Republican primary, 408 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 5: But as president Biden is actively engaged in general election 409 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 5: politics right now. 410 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's so important because of course we're talking about 411 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 6: his commanding lead. But of course we have to remember 412 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 6: this is all on the Republican side. And as we 413 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 6: move into the national view of things, you have a 414 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 6: very unpopular former president and President Trump, who people, to 415 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 6: Gavin Newsom's point, are very concerned about the impact he 416 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 6: has on democracy, the fact that he is still litigating 417 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 6: the twenty twenty election, the fact is he has lost 418 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 6: more elections than he's won, and he has refuse to 419 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 6: admit that he has to Rick's earlier appointment endorsing candidates 420 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 6: in the mid last midterm who didn't do well. So 421 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 6: these are all problems for the Republican Party and this 422 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 6: is why so many moderate Republicans wanted to look ahead 423 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 6: and try to find somebody else. But at this point, 424 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 6: at least in Iowa, they are saying no, no, no, 425 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 6: And you know, I think we should say turnout if 426 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 6: it is as low as Kotchel said, David Kotchel said, 427 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 6: or others have said, one hundred thousand, one hundred and 428 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 6: ten thousand. That's one seventh of registered Republicans in this state. 429 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 6: That is a very small slice of people who can 430 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 6: get out to vote. 431 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: So what do we extrapolate from that. 432 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: Let's say we get one hundred and ten hundred and 433 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: twenty thousand here compared to the all time high north 434 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: of one hundred and eighty thousand. Rick, your takeaways knowing 435 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: that turnout might have been that low. 436 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I mean it's cold out's eye, yees, and 437 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 7: so like we advantage Trump though, yeah, we thought, actually 438 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 7: it would disadvantage Trump to have this low of a turnout. 439 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: So it shows the resiliency the Trump vote here. 440 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 7: I might also Matt just add Iowa was not always 441 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 7: a red state. I mean Donald Trump's emergence in twenty sixteen, 442 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 7: even though he lost the Iowa caucus, he won the state, 443 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 7: and he won it big, and he converted a lot 444 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 7: of blue collar white voters, especially in the northwest of 445 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 7: this state, who used to be Obama voters into Republican voters. 446 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 7: And he did the same thing in other places around 447 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 7: the country. So the reason he won in twenty sixteen 448 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 7: was he had a partial realignment of certain voters of 449 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 7: a certain class into the Republican Party, and the Democrats 450 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 7: have not been able to make a dent. 451 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: In getting them back. 452 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 5: All right, we have exactly one minute left, so this 453 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 5: is a quick answer for both of you. Will we 454 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: still have four candidates for the nomination when we get 455 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: to New Hampshire next week. 456 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 6: Jennie, I don't think we should, so I am going 457 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 6: to say no. But at this point it's hard to 458 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 6: tell because they're still waiting to see what happens. 459 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 7: I think it's irrelevant. It's a head to head race 460 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 7: from this point on. Even if Ronda Santis can eke 461 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 7: out a min win against Nikki Haley, she's got the 462 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 7: momentum and it's a head to head for New Hampshire. 463 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 5: All Right, Rick Davis and Jeannie shanzena with us throughout 464 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 5: this evening the Iowa caucuses, which have been called for 465 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 5: former President Donald Trump. We're waiting for results on number 466 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 5: two and three. Thank you for joining us here, Balance 467 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 5: of Power. 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