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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and he Armstrong and Jetty.

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Speaker 3: US officials say strikes hit dozens of missiles, radars, drone

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Speaker 3: and air defense systems in Yemen. At least fifty three

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Speaker 3: people have been killed and nearly one hundred injured. Whothi's

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Speaker 3: promised to respond, claiming they launched retaliatory missiles and a

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Speaker 3: drone at USS Harry Truman in the Red Seat, the

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Speaker 3: same aircraft carrier that sent these fighter jets to strike Yemen. However,

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Speaker 3: are US officials hells ABC News their claim wasn't true.

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Speaker 3: President Trump writing a ron support for the group who's

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Speaker 3: targeted commercial vessels and US Navy ships at one of

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Speaker 3: the world's most vital shipping routes must end immediately.

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Speaker 4: Before we get to Marco Rupe on facinination, Answering questions

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Speaker 4: about this reading from The New York Times over the weekend,

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Speaker 4: which includes Trump's post on uh, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: this was a tweet his truth thingy. The hoothy attack

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Speaker 4: on American vessels will not be tolerated, Trump said, on

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Speaker 4: social media over the weekend. We will use overwhelming lethal

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Speaker 4: force until we have achieved our objective, he said to

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Speaker 4: Iran support for Houthi terrorists must end immediately. All caps

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Speaker 4: warning the government in Tehran that America will hold you

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Speaker 4: fully accountable and we won't be nice about it, which

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Speaker 4: is kind of a funny thing to say, as a

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Speaker 4: Trump's thing to say, the most powerful man in the world,

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Speaker 4: and we won't be nice about it. Here's Marco Rubio

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Speaker 4: being asked about how long we're going to do this.

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Speaker 5: How long will this campaign last and will it involve

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Speaker 5: ground forces.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, the problem here is that this

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Speaker 6: is a very important shipping lane and in the last

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Speaker 6: year and a half, last eighteen months to whosies have

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Speaker 6: struck our attack one hundred and seventy four naval vessels

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Speaker 6: of the United States attacking the US Navy directly one

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Speaker 6: hundred and seventy four times, and one hundred and forty

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Speaker 6: five times they've attacked commercial shipping.

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Speaker 2: So we basically have a band.

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Speaker 6: Of pirates, you know, with guided precision anti ship weaponry

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Speaker 6: We are not going to have these people controlling which

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Speaker 6: your question is how long will this go on? It

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Speaker 6: will go on until they no longer have the capability.

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Speaker 2: To do that.

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Speaker 4: The only question about this whole situation is how in

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Speaker 4: the hell did the free world? Has the free world

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Speaker 4: allowed this to go on so long? Whether it's US

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Speaker 4: or Great Britain or whoever, the amount of free travel

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Speaker 4: in the seas being disrupted by this group of numbnuts.

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Speaker 7: It's absolutely astounding. And I'm going to illustrate the point.

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Speaker 7: You're going to think I'm changing the topic, but I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Well. This is a clip number fifty eight.

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Speaker 7: It's Brooke Taylor of Fox News talking about an immigration

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Speaker 7: related topic.

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Speaker 1: Fewer migrants are taking the journey to reach the US

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Speaker 1: border through the Darien Gap, the treacherous jungle connecting Columbia

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Speaker 2: At its peak in.

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Speaker 1: August twenty twenty three, nearly eighty two thousand migrants took

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Speaker 1: the journey. A year later, in August twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: it dropped to sixteen thousand, six hundred and this February,

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Speaker 1: under the Trump administration, just four hundred and eight migrants crossed.

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Speaker 1: That's according to data from an agency in Panama that

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Speaker 1: keeps track of migration.

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Speaker 2: Now we have a proud to that's that's fine.

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Speaker 7: That's fine because Trump's saying don't come, and so people aren't.

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Speaker 7: The number of people making the journey through that gap

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Speaker 7: to coming to the United States illegally went from eighty

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Speaker 7: two thousand a month to four hundred and eight, I

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Speaker 7: would suggest to you, And that was while the eighty

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Speaker 7: two thousand was wild. Alejandro Mayarchis was saying the border

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Speaker 7: is secure. I would tell you that the answer to

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Speaker 7: your question about the who the thees is that the

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Speaker 7: Biden policy on that was every bit as astoundingly stupid

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Speaker 7: and futile and inexplicable as his immigration policies.

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Speaker 2: They were as insane and indefensible.

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Speaker 7: And it's funny because I don't want to come off

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Speaker 7: as merely a partisan shouter, because I try to be fair.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you can underestimate how horrifically terrible his

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Speaker 7: foreign policy was. It was disastrously stupid.

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Speaker 4: Here's more from the Secretary of State sort of on

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Speaker 4: that front, as Marco Rubio brings it up on facinination.

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Speaker 5: What does US S intelligence tell us at this point,

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Speaker 5: because the US had been conducting strikes for some time

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Speaker 5: but has not stopped the Hoho thies. So what's going

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Speaker 5: to be different right now? Do you have more fidelity

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Speaker 5: in the intelligence that would make this more successful.

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Speaker 6: Well, those strikes were a retaliation strike. So they launched

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Speaker 6: one missile, we hit the missile launcher, or we sent

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Speaker 6: something to do it. This is not a message, This

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Speaker 6: is not a one off. This is an effort to

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Speaker 6: deny them the ability to continue to constrict and control shipping.

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Speaker 2: And this is not going to happen.

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Speaker 4: He is more critical at various points during that interview

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Speaker 4: of the Biden administration for just not responding much. You

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Speaker 4: hit one missile launcher, as he said, as opposed to

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Speaker 4: like putting them out of business.

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Speaker 2: Here's a little more.

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Speaker 6: Do We're not going to have these guys, these people

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Speaker 6: with weapons able to tell us where our ships can go,

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Speaker 6: where the ships of all the world can go. By

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Speaker 6: the way, it's not just the US we're doing the

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Speaker 6: world a favor. We're doing the entire world of favor

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Speaker 6: by getting rid of these guys and their ability to

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Speaker 6: strive global shipping. That's the mission here, and it will

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Speaker 6: continue until that's carried out. That never happened before. The

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Speaker 6: Biden administration didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: All the Biden.

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Speaker 6: Administration would do is they would respond to an attack.

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Speaker 6: These guys would launch one rocket, We'd hit the rocket launcher.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 6: This is an effort to take away their ability to

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Speaker 6: control global shipping in that part of the world. That's

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Speaker 6: just not going to happen anymore. And it will continue

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Speaker 6: until that's finished.

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Speaker 4: It's not very many years ago in my lifetime where

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Speaker 4: a Democrat or Republican president would have done this, and

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Speaker 4: everybody would have thought, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, we did that.

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Speaker 4: You can't have some crazies disrupting world shipping like that.

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Speaker 2: That's not tenable. What was you say to the hoodies?

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Speaker 2: Don't don't? Right?

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Speaker 4: And Margaret Brennan with her, what's different about this?

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Speaker 2: A lot? A lot? I just told you, simpleton. So

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Speaker 2: I mentioned the other part of it.

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Speaker 4: And Iran is involved in all of this stuff in

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Speaker 4: the Middle East is Trump sent a message to the

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Speaker 4: out of their nuclear weapons program, and they had said

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Speaker 4: they're not interested in talking, and Trump has threatened that

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Speaker 4: that is a really really bad idea and that it

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Speaker 4: and we're going to be coming hard if they don't

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Speaker 4: give up their nuclear weapon capability. So that is going

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Speaker 4: was trying to find the quote from I've got from

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Speaker 4: Malc Mark Halprin over the weekend on Trump's foreign policy

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Speaker 4: around this that I thought was pretty interesting. Basically that

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Speaker 4: Trump seems to be in the sweet spot even with

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Speaker 4: his non interventionist here.

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Speaker 2: Is this it bu.

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Speaker 4: No, Trumps seems to be in the sweet spot even

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Speaker 4: with is the non interventionist chunk of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: That he does things that are just.

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Speaker 4: Overwhelmingly obviously need to be done and with no risk

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Speaker 4: to the United States getting sucked in really and seems

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Speaker 7: Yeah, getting back to Iran, I've got to believe there's

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Speaker 7: some sort of like manual, and it's not even as

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Speaker 7: It's a fairly simple manual how to deal with the

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Speaker 7: in transigence to belligerence, resistance until you've got to until

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Speaker 7: you know the pooh's going to hit the fan or

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Speaker 7: the missiles are going to be launched, and.

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Speaker 2: Then you say, you know what, I see your point.

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Speaker 7: I think we need to negotiate because Iran's really good

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Speaker 7: at this. They say, you know what, I've seen the light.

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Speaker 7: Trump you're just the guy to get us a deal.

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Speaker 7: Or Obama you're just a Biden. You're just a guy

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Speaker 7: that we want to deal with. And you string out

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Speaker 7: the negotiations for month, months and months and months. You

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Speaker 7: bring it to the UN blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 7: And by that time there's another election, right, and then

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Speaker 7: if it's the same guy, rinse and repeat. If it's

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Speaker 2: It's just I'm afraid, you know.

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Speaker 7: It's like I always say, every system if it exists

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Speaker 7: long enough. Those who are trying to scam the system

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Speaker 7: And there are days I wonder whether we're there with

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: I just want to play one more. This is from

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Speaker 4: Mike Walls, who is the National Security Advisor.

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Speaker 2: Is that what he is? I believe that's correct. On

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Speaker 8: Seventy percent of global shipping is now diverting around Southern Africa,

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Speaker 8: adding to the cost of goods, disrupting glowe economies, shutting

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Speaker 8: off supplies to the United States. President Trump is founded unacceptable.

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Speaker 8: Iran needs to hear him loud and clear. It is

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Speaker 8: completely unacceptable and it will be stopped the level of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my final comments on this.

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Speaker 4: So seventy percent of global shipping is being diverted because

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Speaker 2: It gets to what we were talking about last week

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Speaker 4: Great Britain's military is for instance, or any of the

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Speaker 4: other European countries that just apparently have no interesting I

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Speaker 4: guess we'll just have to divert our shipping around Africa

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Speaker 4: and everybody pay a whole lot more.

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Speaker 2: What are we gonna do? Crazy?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like the Western worlds of fire department that

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Speaker 7: hasn't fought a fire in forty years?

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Speaker 2: Can we don't? We don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't even know where the hose is. Our ability

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Speaker 7: to respond to threats and hostility is. So you know, atropheed, right.

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Speaker 4: And then you know when Trump talks tough on NATO

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Speaker 4: or says this or that, it's we're abandoning our allies here,

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Speaker 4: allies ain't doing crap at least not with this issue.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I would agree. I would agree.

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Speaker 7: Final note, because naval power is so important going forward.

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Speaker 2: I thought this was shocking.

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Speaker 7: Rich Lowry wrote a great piece for The National Review

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Speaker 7: about Well, the title is Trump is right to emphasize

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Speaker 7: shipbuilding and talking about how China's going crazy and our

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Speaker 2: There's no way to run a.

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Speaker 9: Government Armstrong and Getty and Los Angeles jury has awarded

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Speaker 4: Now, the person got burnt pretty good, but I had

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Speaker 4: whether that's accurate or not, I do not know. But

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, it's an impossible expectation that nothing

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Speaker 2: Some jury will award one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think we as people understand how far

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Speaker 4: I don't like them anyway. You know that sort of thing, right, Yeah, yeah, boy.

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Speaker 4: But it's the idea that it'll be it's so hot

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Speaker 2: Well I'll bet that goes out the window after this settlement. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean because it's obviously lost to him, no

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Speaker 4: a meeting with their corporate person?

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Speaker 2: Who would I have been talking to? I don't talk

443
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Speaker 2: to anyone anyway.

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Speaker 4: They met with their corporate CEO for a major corporation

445
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Speaker 4: and they were having a discussion about AI, and I said,

446
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Speaker 4: what was the gist of it? And the gist of

447
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 4: it was, we're not going to need any of you anymore.

448
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 4: Who in this gets rolling And we've all heard this

449
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. If you're paying attention to AI at all,

450
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Speaker 4: that all kinds of different jobs will go by the wayside.

451
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Speaker 2: And a lot of the jobs that were the.

452
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Speaker 4: Most sure thing in our economy are the ones that

453
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Speaker 4: are going to be going first. So that has everybody concerned.

454
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Speaker 4: But we're not there yet. AI search engines cite incorrect

455
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Speaker 4: sources at an alarming sixty rate. A new study shows

456
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Speaker 4: so a lot of people like me, when you google something,

457
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Speaker 4: you're going with the AI version at the top of

458
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Speaker 4: the list for the answer and thinking it's probably close enough.

459
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Speaker 2: It might not be that close.

460
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Speaker 4: AI models incorrectly answered more than sixty percent of queries

461
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Speaker 4: about news sources. They have a tendency too, and this

462
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Speaker 4: has been an ongoing problem with AI. Make stuff up.

463
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Speaker 4: AI is like your five year old.

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Speaker 2: It just makes stuff up.

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Speaker 4: And you have to realize that if your five year

466
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Speaker 4: old comes in and says, you know, a kid named

467
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Speaker 4: Jimmy down the street punched me, Maybe that happened. Maybe

468
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Speaker 4: there is no Jimmy. They just said that for who

469
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Speaker 4: knows what reason.

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Speaker 2: That's the way.

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Speaker 7: That's the way AI is it just makes stuff up.

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Speaker 7: But sixty percent is that what you said? Yes, hang

473
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Speaker 7: on a second, let me use my chat cheept jack.

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Speaker 2: That's almost half.

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Speaker 4: They ran sixteen hundred qureries across eight different generative search

476
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Speaker 4: tools and came up with that sixty percent number. Surprisingly,

477
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Speaker 4: premium paid versions of these AI search tools fared even

478
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Speaker 4: worse than certain respects. Perplexity Pro, which is twenty dollars

479
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Speaker 4: a month, and GROC three that's Elon's thing, which is

480
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: forty dollars a month, confidently delivered incorrect responses more often

481
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Speaker 4: than their free counterparts. For some reason, this is around

482
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Speaker 4: the news stuff, so you pay for less accuracy. Yeah,

483
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Speaker 4: all right again around news stuff. I don't know if, like,

484
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Speaker 4: for instance, Groc's claiming it's good at that. Mostly what

485
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Speaker 4: I see on GROC is its ability to I don't know,

486
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Speaker 4: create music videos or pictures or or hot chicks in

487
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Speaker 4: a cowboy hat if that's what you want, or something

488
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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 2: These AI systems seem to be really good at that.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of so, they would ask various questions

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Speaker 4: about news stories, and GROC might give you a source

492
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Speaker 4: that wasn't the source, or make one up or create

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Speaker 4: a link to the information that doesn't exist. It would

494
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Speaker 4: just make up a link. And they don't see help

495
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Speaker 4: people no, and they don't seem to be.

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Speaker 2: Well. I'm unashamed.

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Speaker 4: They know that they don't know why AI does this right,

498
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Speaker 4: and as we've said before, they're not exactly sure if

499
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Speaker 4: it's fixable. But AI ain't gonna take over the world

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Speaker 4: if they can't figure that out.

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Speaker 7: I I don't see how that happens right, right, it

502
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Speaker 7: could absolutely take over a significant number of professions that

503
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Speaker 7: are fairly limited in scope. There's a great piece in

504
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Speaker 7: the journal about how high school and college students especially

505
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Speaker 7: are using AI to cheat always, everywhere, all the time.

506
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Speaker 7: Not every kid, certainly, but man, they go into all

507
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Speaker 7: the different ways. They tell the story of a seventeen

508
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Speaker 7: year old girl in New Jersey. He uses it all

509
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Speaker 7: the time. She's only been busted once. Yeah, here we go.

510
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Speaker 7: She turned to open IA's Open, AI's chat GPT, and

511
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Speaker 7: Google's Gemini to help spawn ideas and review concepts, which

512
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Speaker 7: many teachers allow more often. Though AI completed her work,

513
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Speaker 7: she solved math homework problems and ACE to take home

514
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Speaker 7: test chat GPT.

515
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Speaker 2: Did I got a message for this? Kid, you're only

516
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Speaker 2: hurting yourself.

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Speaker 7: That is both true and hilarious. Let's see chat GPT

518
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 7: did calculations for a science lab. It produced a tricky

519
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 7: section of a history term paper, which she rewrote to

520
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 7: avoid detection. And again, though she used it in virtually

521
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Speaker 7: every class, she only got busted once.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the math thing, hmm, that's a tough one because

523
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Speaker 4: you problem not probably, I'm sure this is true. I'm

524
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Speaker 4: sure you can have AI even show the work and

525
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Speaker 4: you could just write down the work the whole show

526
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Speaker 4: your work thing. Right, So, but I was wondering about

527
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Speaker 4: so if I'm writing a paper, this would save a

528
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Speaker 4: lot of time. And there's no way you'd ever bust

529
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Speaker 4: me on this. This is just where we are in

530
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Speaker 4: the modern world. Hey, GROC, I need a founding father

531
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Speaker 4: saying something about the importance of borders, and it finds

532
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Speaker 4: me one and I don't have to dig through twelve

533
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: old timey books and go to the index and read paragraphs.

534
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Speaker 4: It's just right there. I mean, that would be kind

535
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Speaker 4: of cheating. It's certainly easier than it used to be.

536
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Speaker 7: But yes, and there's absolutely a loss to the like

537
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Speaker 7: the indirect educational process because like it or not. As

538
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 7: you're looking for A, you'll also learn B and C.

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00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 7: It's practically unavoidable.

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Speaker 4: And how could they stop you from running, you know,

541
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: having AI read over your paragraph and you know, make

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Speaker 4: it a little better and or just summarize everything very briefly.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my daughter's in law school, for instance, And

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Speaker 4: a big part of it is you read just reams

545
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Speaker 4: of information, then you outline it, you candense it. You

546
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 4: you know, boil the concert or the actual you know,

547
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: the things that happened in the case down to the

548
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Speaker 4: concepts that you need to remember.

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Speaker 2: Boil U down for me. I'll be at the bar

550
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Speaker 2: at Saint Patrick's day right actly.

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Speaker 7: And one more aspect of this problem, especially with academia,

552
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Speaker 7: is that the companies that make these tools are not

553
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Speaker 7: so keen on distributing the tools to identify when somebody

554
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Speaker 7: is using it to cheat because students are their big

555
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 7: customer base.

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Speaker 2: Well, I so they hem and haw about we would

557
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Speaker 2: like to release that to you.

558
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Speaker 4: But it's oh, that's interesting right there. So I'm not

559
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Speaker 4: trying to be anti intellectual. But people have been saying

560
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: this since I was a kid, when computers, when calculators

561
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: first came out, what's the point of me learning this

562
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Speaker 4: as long as there's a calculator. Well, that's really true. Now,

563
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Speaker 4: I mean, if every if every homo sapient in America

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Speaker 4: over the age of five, is carrying a computer that

565
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Speaker 4: can do all of this math work, is there a

566
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Speaker 4: value in learning how to do it by hand? In

567
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Speaker 4: case you're on a desert island. There's something I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what certainly is.

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Speaker 7: A neurologist could probably explain it to you that you

570
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Speaker 7: have a bedrock understanding of what you're doing and it

571
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Speaker 7: helps you in some way that I, as a politics guy,

572
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 7: can't really describe to you if I think you lose something.

573
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Speaker 7: But I also think that's the modern world to a

574
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Speaker 7: large except if groc or something is going to write everything.

575
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 7: It's going to write your legal briefs, it's going to

576
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Speaker 7: write up your business proposal. If it's going to write everything,

577
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Speaker 7: is there a reason to learn to.

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Speaker 2: Write this is? Well? Wow, wow, that's that's insane.

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Speaker 4: And I mean not just to be like a successful

580
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Speaker 4: humo sapien. I mean, well, I do mean, I mean

581
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Speaker 4: to be a financially like to make it in the world,

582
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Speaker 4: you just need to know how to run GROC.

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Speaker 2: Don't you to be better at that? Uh?

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00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, you need to write well enough to write what

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Speaker 7: you want and tell the computer.

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Speaker 2: Final note. John B.

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Speaker 7: King Can, a chancellor of the State University of New

588
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Speaker 7: York system former education secretary, said at a conference in October. Quote,

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Speaker 7: there are probably lots of students K through twelve and

590
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Speaker 7: higher ed who used check GPT to do their homework

591
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Speaker 7: last night without learning anything.

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Speaker 2: That's scary.

593
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Speaker 4: They weren't learning anything in many cases before AI, so

594
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 4: that's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Also, this is discouraging all the way around. I'm checking

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Speaker 2: out of the modern world.

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you, starting some sort of weird fundamentalist you know, society.

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Speaker 4: Tired of being in a good mood. Tune in the

599
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty Show. I guess more on the way.

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Speaker 6: Doctor Michelle Obama's podcast tanked.

601
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Speaker 8: It's evident she's not the Left's answer to Joe Rogan.

602
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: After all, one is a.

603
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 7: Thick neck hulk who can squat one thousand pounds and

604
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Speaker 7: the other's Joe Rogan.

605
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was somewhat predictable.

606
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Greg Guttfeld with a nice thing to say about Michelle.

607
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Speaker 4: Oh ma, mother, So I have some breaking ish news

608
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: here from the fingers of Donald Trump on Twitter today,

609
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: the pardons that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the unselect

610
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: committee of political thugs. This is I'm just reading from

611
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Speaker 4: the President of the United States and many others. So

612
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Speaker 4: the pardons that Sleepy Joe gave are hereby declared void, vacant,

613
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Speaker 4: and of no further force or effect in all capital

614
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Speaker 4: letters because of the fact that they were done by

615
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Speaker 4: auto pen. In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them,

616
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Speaker 4: but more importantly, he did not know anything about them

617
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Speaker 4: exclamation point. The necessary pardoning documents were not explained to or.

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Speaker 2: Approved by Biden.

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Speaker 4: So and it goes on on more about that and

620
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Speaker 4: how they're going to go ahead and investigate people that

621
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Speaker 4: Joe Biden pardoned and everything like that.

622
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Speaker 2: But I don't know, uh, And he's.

623
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Speaker 7: Well, he's alleged a crime because people use the auto

624
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Speaker 7: pen to pardon their buddies, and and this is a

625
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Speaker 7: serious allegation in hidence, this must be followed conclusion.

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Speaker 4: You know, the people that may have committed a crime,

627
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Speaker 4: according to Trump said, the fact is they were probably

628
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Speaker 4: responsible for the documents that were signed on their behalf

629
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Speaker 4: without the knowledge or consent of the worst president in

630
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Speaker 4: the history of the country, crooked Joe Biden.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's storializing there in the middle.

632
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Speaker 4: But go on, he's he's he believes or says he

633
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Speaker 4: believes that a bunch of people that got pardoned wrote

634
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Speaker 4: up the pardons, signed it with an autopen without Joe

635
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Speaker 4: Biden's knowledge, and uh, and they are declared null and

636
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Speaker 4: void by Trump.

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Speaker 2: I don't know has this ever gone to court? Does A.

638
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Speaker 4: I doubt the next president has the ability to unpardon

639
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Speaker 4: people unless he could prove obviously they were signed by autopen.

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Speaker 4: That would be a different thing. But or I don't

641
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Speaker 4: know if autopen matters or not. I don't have the

642
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Speaker 4: slightest idea.

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Speaker 7: No, no, it doesn't. It would have to be both.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if your arm's tired and you're if that's

645
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Speaker 7: an official thing, because many bills have been signed with autopen,

646
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Speaker 7: then it's got to be both. It's got to be

647
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Speaker 7: you did not know what was happening, somebody else appropriated

648
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Speaker 7: the pardon power of the president for themselves and issued

649
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Speaker 7: those pardons, and then they signed it with you.

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Speaker 4: How would you do an investigation of whether Joe Biden

651
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Speaker 4: knew what he was doing when he signed that stuff,

652
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Speaker 4: because it'd be tough given a certain mental state, even

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Speaker 4: if he knew at the time what he was signing

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Speaker 4: and why he was signing, and he might not remember.

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Speaker 2: Now, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: In fact, I think that's probably an insurmountable problem. And

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Speaker 7: so if I'm the Supreme Court and it could well

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Speaker 7: end up there, I would be slapping my forehead, thinking.

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Speaker 2: Why do we let to see now? Presidents?

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Speaker 7: And I would say, I think we've got to let

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Speaker 7: them stand because we can't.

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Speaker 2: Prove it either way. Right, Yeah, that is a heck

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Speaker 2: of a charge to make, though I.

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Speaker 7: Wonder if the Justice Department is going to go, you know,

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Speaker 7: actually follow this down the trail of evidence, or if

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Speaker 7: if Trump just had a It was issued at twelve

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Speaker 7: thirty five in the morning, was

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Speaker 4: It really Yeah, the middle of the night, right after

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Speaker 4: a diet coke, Armstrong and Getty