Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. We are returning to you this evening
Speaker 1: with episode a classic interview we did back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty with good friend of the show and personal friend
Speaker 1: of ours, the legendary Payne Lindsay.
Speaker 2: Indeed talking about a super cool show called Radio Rental
Speaker 2: you might be familiar with, where in Pain and his
Speaker 2: team find incredible, weird stories on Reddit and various other
Speaker 2: places and then recreate them along with input from the
Speaker 2: actual people who lived these stories.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and it's usually the actual person telling you
Speaker 3: a story in first person about what they went through,
Speaker 3: and dang, is it cool. It's still one of my
Speaker 3: favorite shows.
Speaker 2: Guys, all grounded by the wonderfully bizarre Terry Carnation. Let's
Speaker 2: just address him like he's a real human, because he really.
Speaker 2: He is portrayed by the incredible Rain Wilson, But boy
Speaker 2: does he inhabit that character holy and it's impressive and
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: We're a vast, we contained multitude. It can be more
Speaker 1: than one person in once. That's where those guys have
Speaker 1: some depth. So let's roll the.
Speaker 4: Tape from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History
Speaker 4: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now
Speaker 4: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4: A production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works.
Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 3: my name is Noela.
Speaker 5: They call me Ben.
Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul
Speaker 1: Mission Controlled decad. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,
Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 1: This is a this is a special episode for us.
Speaker 1: We're pretty excited about this. We have a returning guest today.
Speaker 1: Today we're joined by our colleague, longtime friend of ours,
Speaker 1: Paying Lensy. That's right, the CEO, co founder of Tenderfoot TV.
Speaker 5: Pain.
Speaker 1: People will recognize you as the creator and host of
Speaker 1: podcasts such as Up and Vanished, The Atlanta Monster, and
Speaker 1: your latest project, which is why we wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you today, Radio Rental.
Speaker 5: Thanks, yeah, thanks for being on the show man. Thank you, guys.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, yeah, we've been listening to Radio Rental and
Speaker 3: with the lights on, well, well yeah for me to start.
Speaker 3: For me, I actually try and get to the darkest
Speaker 3: place I possibly can.
Speaker 2: I'd like to listen to it in my sensory deprivation.
Speaker 5: That's the best place.
Speaker 3: Actually for me, it's in the car at night after
Speaker 3: I've driven home from work, like it's getting late so
Speaker 3: early now here in Atlanta where we are, by the
Speaker 3: time I'm getting home, if it's like six seven something
Speaker 3: like that, I'll sit in my car and keep listening
Speaker 3: to an episode on purpose because the the show itself,
Speaker 3: and we're going to tell you exactly what it is
Speaker 3: after this, but the show itself has such an eeriequality
Speaker 3: to it that it almost intensifies the experience. If you're
Speaker 3: just alone in a car and it's kind of cold,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I would.
Speaker 5: Spooky driveway moment.
Speaker 3: Well, the purpose there is to like in my mind
Speaker 3: and for me personally, is to it is to enhance
Speaker 3: the experience, like to to get a an even further
Speaker 3: sensory experience from something right. And to my mind, what
Speaker 3: Radio Rental does with the sound design and the way
Speaker 3: the stories are told, it does give you this sensory
Speaker 3: experience of being there in a lot of these things.
Speaker 3: So let's let's let's start off by pain tell us
Speaker 3: what Radio Rental is, you know, as an overview, and
Speaker 3: then we'll start getting into some of this stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean, basically, at its core, Radio Rental.
Speaker 6: Is just weird bizarre stories, kind of an homage to
Speaker 6: Are You Afraid of the Dark, And it's presented in
Speaker 6: this weird way where Rain Wilson is playing this video
Speaker 6: store clerk who works in this old kind of eighties
Speaker 6: retro video store called Radio Rental. Radio Rental means it's
Speaker 6: like British Cockney slang for mad or you've lost your mind.
Speaker 3: They'd say you've.
Speaker 6: Gone radio rental and rhyme yellow and British Cockney rhyming
Speaker 6: slangs yea. And so it's my first anthology series where
Speaker 6: each episode is a new story, and there's about two
Speaker 6: to three stories in each episode, and they're all true stories.
Speaker 6: They're all real stories, and it's the real people telling
Speaker 6: you them. And so there's other stuff like this out
Speaker 6: there where people do retellings of stuff, but we put
Speaker 6: a lot of effort into actually going to make the
Speaker 6: connection with these people, vetting them as much as we
Speaker 6: could and flying out to them wherever the hell they are,
Speaker 6: and sitting down and interviewing them and making this kind
Speaker 6: of short story cinematic experience out of it.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of work that has to go
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, right, like just for the process
Speaker 1: questions before you get into some of the real spooky stuff.
Speaker 1: How from germination of the idea, genesis of the idea,
Speaker 1: to actually getting the first episode out? How much time
Speaker 1: did you and your team have to put into, as
Speaker 1: you said, finding these people, vetting them, and speaking with them.
Speaker 1: It seems like it must have been a pretty involved process.
Speaker 6: It was like every other podcast I've made where I
Speaker 6: was like, this is a cool idea, let's do this,
Speaker 6: and then like a few months in, I'm going, this
Speaker 6: is a lot harder than I thought it was gonna be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 6: So this was that on a whole new level where
Speaker 6: I'm very reliant on these people to want to do
Speaker 6: this with me, because I mean, I can have I
Speaker 6: can find a really great story, but if that person
Speaker 6: is not interested in telling me that story, or maybe
Speaker 6: they are, but they sound really weird on the microphone
Speaker 6: or whatever, right, So there's so many factors that I
Speaker 6: can't control, which makes it kind of scary. Initially, I
Speaker 6: was looking all over the place and I didn't really
Speaker 6: even know where to find these types of stories or
Speaker 6: really what was going to merit a radio rental story
Speaker 6: to begin with. And I knew that in these first
Speaker 6: batch of episodes that whatever stories we put out there
Speaker 6: that is going to be what radio Rental is.
Speaker 5: It will always evolve from there.
Speaker 6: But I need to set the standard for what is
Speaker 6: a radio rental story. And you know, it's not every
Speaker 6: single story that you hear, it's not every scary story.
Speaker 6: It's this kind of in between area where you know
Speaker 6: you know it when you hear it, like you hear
Speaker 6: another story. And if you've heard radio Rental at this point,
Speaker 6: if you hear another story out there, you would know, Okay,
Speaker 6: that's probably a radio renal story. And so I wanted
Speaker 6: to kind of coin that term and really kind of
Speaker 6: set the standard for you know, what you're experiencing and hearing.
Speaker 6: It was very difficult just to kind of find these
Speaker 6: people and make contact with a stranger on the internet,
Speaker 6: with someone we heard user name, and convince them to
Speaker 6: let me fly to where they are and meet them
Speaker 6: in a hotel, tell and record them for my podcast.
Speaker 1: So let's dive in a little bit deeper to something
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the entire time that was listening
Speaker 1: to the show, which is out now and available wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.
Speaker 5: Do you want to point that out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the full first season, right is, it's.
Speaker 1: All out and this is so we don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil too much of the specific episodes, but we do
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of the things. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that haunted me throughout listening is the
Speaker 1: this subtle, this subtle play.
Speaker 5: Of fact and fiction.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a lot of this feels like
Speaker 1: there's some modern folklore elements to it, sure, which is
Speaker 1: why I love that you point out are you afraid
Speaker 1: of the dark? You know there's this this this kind
Speaker 1: of chilling campfire.
Speaker 5: It could be true element.
Speaker 1: These are true stories because you did find again, this
Speaker 1: is the part we should emphasize pain You did find
Speaker 1: real people who told you these stories.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: Were there ever times where you felt the little line
Speaker 1: between like fact or fiction sort of blurred or did
Speaker 1: or was it always to you was always clear? Or
Speaker 1: were there are times where you were like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I should be alone in a hotel room
Speaker 1: with this person.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, I mean there's definitely this line of where
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a few stories in there for sure
Speaker 6: where you can't really rationally explain what happened, and just
Speaker 6: kind of structurally with what I was trying to build here,
Speaker 6: I wanted to have a good balanced mix of stories.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to come at you with the most
Speaker 6: unbelievable stories ever and just shock you where people are like, nah,
Speaker 6: this is just like unbelievable stories. I don't believe any
Speaker 6: of these stories. I wanted to hit you with a
Speaker 6: real thing that happened, definitive from the beginning. And so
Speaker 6: every now and then you get this little twist where
Speaker 6: you're like, ooh, I don't know, like I don't know
Speaker 6: how to.
Speaker 5: Don't I can't explain that, yeah, but I don't not
Speaker 5: believe it.
Speaker 6: So and that's how I feel about some of these
Speaker 6: stories where it's like in this line of I don't
Speaker 6: know how to explain what happened, but I believe this person,
Speaker 6: but like what happened, And so you're you're thinking.
Speaker 5: About it like scratching your hand, like what the what
Speaker 5: the hell happened.
Speaker 3: I think there's a pretty good example of this in
Speaker 3: that first episode that we actually got to hear a
Speaker 3: sneak preview of a while back. But man, it it's
Speaker 3: one of those that is a true story of something
Speaker 3: that really happened for sure, and then the story itself
Speaker 3: as it's being told and as it's kind of revealing
Speaker 3: things as you go, you don't even really you don't
Speaker 3: think like, maybe this isn't real, maybe this isn't and
Speaker 3: then it hits you right at the end, Oh, this
Speaker 3: is a true thing that occurred. I remember this from
Speaker 3: the news. So let's talk about I'm just I'm calling
Speaker 3: it the flight. I don't know what you called it
Speaker 3: in the within the episodes, but we hear about this
Speaker 3: man's extraordinary experience doing something very ordinary, which is just
Speaker 3: taking a flight. You can you tell us a little
Speaker 3: bit about that story?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it starts off he's a kid at
Speaker 6: the time, and he's flying from Paris to Miami. It's
Speaker 6: in December of two thousand and one, and he was
Speaker 6: very familiar flying. He flied, He's flown several times with
Speaker 6: his brother and his dad was in first class and
Speaker 6: his brother and him were in the back and mid flight,
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, this flight attendant starts screaming the
Speaker 6: word no. And obviously anyone's screaming on an airplane, Nope,
Speaker 6: not a good thing.
Speaker 5: Even if they're screaming, Yes, it's still.
Speaker 6: Exactly even that, you're like, come on, give me a Yeah,
Speaker 6: screaming on an airplane not a good thing. And so
Speaker 6: eventually that escalates to even louder and he sees this
Speaker 6: kind of scuffle going on, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: someone passes up this fire extinguisher and hits this dude
Speaker 6: in the middle square in the face, and he's like,
Speaker 6: what the hell is going on here? Chaos just erupts
Speaker 6: on the flight. Turns out there was a terrorist on board.
Speaker 6: His name was Richard Reid. And this is right after
Speaker 6: nine to eleven, so you can imagine being on that plane.
Speaker 6: I mean, that would be terrifying as hell. And this guy,
Speaker 6: Richard Reid, he was six foot four, over two hundred pounds.
Speaker 6: He had a bomb in his shoes and he was
Speaker 6: attempting to light it with this box of matches. And
Speaker 6: the flight tenant saw this, probably assuming that he was
Speaker 6: trying to smoke a cigarette or something, not light a bomb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to.
Speaker 6: Please, but that's ill too, you know, Yeah, sir, please
Speaker 6: don't smoke a cigarette.
Speaker 5: And that escalates and she reaches for the matches.
Speaker 6: This guy bites her on the hand and it just
Speaker 6: turns into a complete show on the plane, and eventually
Speaker 6: they subdue the guy. Everyone kind of steps up to
Speaker 6: be a hero, which is amazing, and they tie him
Speaker 6: up with phone cords and belts and all kind of stuff,
Speaker 6: and a doctor on board injects someone with a I
Speaker 6: think he's dies a PAM or something, just to calm
Speaker 6: him down, and they divert the flight. They landed and
Speaker 6: SWAT team comes on board. All of a sudden, it's
Speaker 6: all over the news and this is right after nine
Speaker 6: to eleven. Absolute craziness. And this is literally why you
Speaker 6: take your shoes off at the airport.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean yeah, they Richard, that was a real
Speaker 5: dick move.
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's incredible to me because the people on
Speaker 3: that flight had no idea how dire that situation was,
Speaker 3: even though they saw that maybe he's trying to light
Speaker 3: something on his shoe. That's weird. Why would he be
Speaker 3: doing that, Like, let's not do that could be a bomb,
Speaker 3: But he had C four in his shoe that would
Speaker 3: have obliterated that play.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, quick question. Can you detonate C four
Speaker 2: with the match? Doesn't it require some sort of like
Speaker 2: electric So he.
Speaker 6: Had a whole like, I mean, there's a picture of
Speaker 6: his shoe online somewhere. They kind of gutted it, this
Speaker 6: big black boot. And I mean he had some sort
Speaker 6: of wiring system. I mean, there was a fuse He's
Speaker 6: gonna light. I'm not sure exactly how it worked me.
Speaker 6: It didn't work, thank god. I think they said it
Speaker 6: only didn't work because his shoes were damp. One it
Speaker 6: had rained that morning, and two he was just sweating,
Speaker 6: just being nervous. I mean, it's crazy to think that,
Speaker 6: like if they had gone off, the entire planets just
Speaker 6: up in flames, and it's just no one lives right.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 5: C four.
Speaker 2: I mean that'll take out like a like a whole building.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you have enough of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, insane, Yeah, C four Just for background, we don't
Speaker 1: need to go into why I know this, but.
Speaker 5: C four, as we do, it's stable.
Speaker 1: It's stable enough that if you just put a if
Speaker 1: you just put a match by the substance, or even
Speaker 1: if you shoot it with a gun, it's not going
Speaker 1: to explode. You do need that system that you just
Speaker 1: described paying, which is the one of the scariest things
Speaker 1: I think for people on the flight who were, of
Speaker 1: course watching the news afterwards where they figured out, well,
Speaker 1: sure this person clearly had some mental issues, but they
Speaker 1: still had it together enough to build a shoe bomb.
Speaker 1: You know, we joke about it now, but we only
Speaker 1: joke about things like that because that was a real thing.
Speaker 1: And to your point, Matt, one thing that stuck with
Speaker 1: me about that is hearing the story. We're put in
Speaker 1: the pov of that person and we don't know what's
Speaker 1: happening either, and the way that the way that the
Speaker 1: narrative plays plays out. I also had that moment at
Speaker 1: the end where I went, you know, for lack of
Speaker 1: a better phrase, I went, oh, I remember that actually happened.
Speaker 5: And that's that's something that had.
Speaker 1: Me thinking too, like when we talk about the fact
Speaker 1: in fiction, and when you're talking about the emphasis you
Speaker 1: put on having this like, let's have this demonstrably true
Speaker 1: thing in the very from the jump, because now every
Speaker 1: other thing that happens, we're all waiting for that moment.
Speaker 5: Where we go, oh wait, oh no, oh man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I gotta say another thing that was I think
Speaker 1: incredibly important about that first story is it's terrifying now
Speaker 1: in today's age, how we have so it feels like
Speaker 1: we have so many events like that that we start
Speaker 1: to forget them, and we shouldn't. And so maybe the
Speaker 1: best maybe the best way to uh, to impact people
Speaker 1: with that or to get the best moral is the
Speaker 1: one that you just so perfectly described, which is and
Speaker 1: that guy's the reason we can't wear shoes on plane.
Speaker 1: You know, I've looked.
Speaker 5: I'm still pissed at Richard for that. Yeah, me, absolutely, Look,
Speaker 5: I don't even have laces. I have to catch a
Speaker 5: flight later today.
Speaker 3: So it reminds me of that.
Speaker 2: Thing in Arrested Development, where like he's got the one
Speaker 2: armed guy who always uses to teach his kids a
Speaker 2: lessityes And that's why you always leave a note.
Speaker 3: I want to add really quickly here. There was a
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen article I remember seeing an NBC, but I'm
Speaker 3: not sure exactly who spoke with Richard read again, but
Speaker 3: he expressed regrets, like tactical regrets about what he did.
Speaker 3: Uh and I'm.
Speaker 2: Tactical, like you should have done a better job of blowing.
Speaker 3: Up the plane.
Speaker 5: And then he wished he did a better job.
Speaker 3: This is a crazy this is a quot friend says,
Speaker 3: I do have some tactical regrets of a sort which
Speaker 3: I won't go into here, but I don't regret losing
Speaker 3: my freedom.
Speaker 5: Okay, dead eyed robot like Jesus.
Speaker 6: Physical, enjoy your males, Yeah right, enjoy your one hour.
Speaker 5: You can't go to Chili's anymore.
Speaker 3: So, Well, he goes on to talk about the Charlie
Speaker 3: Hebdo thing, and he's like, no, I don't think that's
Speaker 3: a tragedy. I think it's a tragedy that people can
Speaker 3: belittle other people's beliefs in that way. Like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: we'll move on then, thanks.
Speaker 1: We'll pause here and return to Radio Rental after a
Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, and we're back. We can't really
Speaker 1: spoil this show no matter what we talk, can Well
Speaker 1: we are a little Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well that's where we're talking about one miss out.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, that's one episode in episode or that's one
Speaker 3: story in episode one.
Speaker 6: Right, there's a lot of stories, and there's at least
Speaker 6: two in every episode.
Speaker 5: Anthony is over a dozen in the season.
Speaker 6: So I mean, even when you think you've got it
Speaker 6: figured out, you don't, because we're trying to confuse ourselves
Speaker 6: while we're making this.
Speaker 5: Anyone, everybody's confused.
Speaker 1: One one story that stuck with me, that actually that
Speaker 1: I went back and re listened to and thought about
Speaker 1: for a few days is the story about the person
Speaker 1: who keeps receiving messages as someone that's closer and closer
Speaker 1: and closer to.
Speaker 5: How basically that like?
Speaker 1: I that that felt so black mirror esque. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it feels like that's the other thing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be too repetitive, but that that's one of
Speaker 1: the ones, especially where I thought I.
Speaker 5: Could really happen.
Speaker 1: I gotta go beef up my where is my phone
Speaker 1: number on the internet?
Speaker 5: I need to watch out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's also one of those things that feels
Speaker 3: a lot like that folklore story that maybe we've heard before.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, we're familiar calling from inside
Speaker 5: the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well where you going in and interviewing the person.
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, now, I you know, have to listen
Speaker 3: to this story and be as objective as I can,
Speaker 3: but ultimately just take have this person take me through
Speaker 3: this story as clearly as clearly as possible. Sure, and
Speaker 3: the way the way he tells it just great. Oh
Speaker 3: god man, it's creepy.
Speaker 5: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: With that one especially, that's one of the tales where
Speaker 1: I thought, and you know, like full disclosure, we all
Speaker 1: know each other outside of the show as we do
Speaker 1: like we we are actually friends. This is one of
Speaker 1: the ones where I thought I should I gotta ask pain, like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not in front of people were asking
Speaker 1: me if I was an actor because that was really good,
Speaker 1: and he was like, is.
Speaker 5: That a voice actor? I haven't asked you, but that guy, No,
Speaker 5: he was great.
Speaker 6: I'm telling me he was. He was funny, he was
Speaker 6: well spoken. I mean we actually it was Mike and
Speaker 6: I who were in there. It was in Phoenix recording
Speaker 6: this guy. I think after we recorded him, we're like.
Speaker 5: Do you do radio exactly? I mean, do you do podcasts?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: But he's like no, but you know, I get that
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 6: And he's just kind of one of those guys who
Speaker 6: was just I mean, he's the kind of guy who
Speaker 6: would engage with the stranger, right. So he's kind of
Speaker 6: you know, chipper and funny and just you know, just
Speaker 6: kind of brightens people's days and says witty things and
Speaker 6: you know, not afraid to say what he thinks.
Speaker 5: So, which is just that person.
Speaker 6: And he's well spoken, and he told it and what
Speaker 6: I thought was a pretty comical way at times.
Speaker 5: Yes, but yeah he was. He was amazing.
Speaker 6: He's like, he was literally exactly what we were looking
Speaker 6: for for this show. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about the show, I guess one
Speaker 1: of the things we should do a little bit of
Speaker 1: quid pro quo clarice stuff here is we mentioned some
Speaker 1: things that we we found, uh had a lot of
Speaker 1: staying power with us as listeners. I have to ask,
Speaker 1: and it's totally all right, there's no wrong answer here.
Speaker 1: I have to ask, Man, is there any anything that
Speaker 1: you that you covered or that you found while you
Speaker 1: all were creating Season one that stayed with you? Like
Speaker 1: anything that you know you left and a day, month
Speaker 1: weeks later you said, man, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 6: Know there's Uh, there's actually definitively one story that really
Speaker 6: bothered me.
Speaker 5: I don't like to think that I'm desensitized to any
Speaker 5: of it. I think that I'm I like.
Speaker 6: To look at it as if I've just gotten better
Speaker 6: at compartmentalizing this stuff. Sure, okay, but like there's very
Speaker 6: few things that really scare scare me. I don't like
Speaker 6: paranormal stuff just because I'm like I don't know how
Speaker 6: to deal with that if that ever came into my house,
Speaker 6: you know. But those kind of stories are also easy
Speaker 6: to kind of write off if you don't believe in
Speaker 6: that or something, So you know, they're not always the
Speaker 6: scariest as some people. To me, the scariest story that
Speaker 6: bothered me the most in the whole season was a
Speaker 6: story called Laura of the Woods.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys heard this one, but
Speaker 6: the basic synopsis is this kid, he's ten years old
Speaker 6: in this small Indiana town and he's playing in the
Speaker 6: woods by himself with his gi Jones, and all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, he gets this overwhelming just feeling of fear
Speaker 6: that someone is looking at him, someone's watching him out there.
Speaker 3: And there's this like three story house pretty close to them.
Speaker 6: Right there is there's this like house in the neighborhood
Speaker 6: that's like I mean, they called it like the ghost
Speaker 6: house or something. It was like the classic haunted house
Speaker 6: also in the neighborhood that no one knows who lives there,
Speaker 6: and you know, you never see him go in and now,
Speaker 6: but you know someone's in there. Everyone knows everybody but
Speaker 6: these people, right, And so he's playing by the creek
Speaker 6: right outside of this house, and he gets this overwhelming fear,
Speaker 6: a feeling of just fear, and he turns around and
Speaker 6: he sees this girl who's standing there, and as he
Speaker 6: tells you the story, your first thought is that this
Speaker 6: is a ghost because it's so surreal. It doesn't make
Speaker 6: any sense, right, this person's out there. She looks really weird.
Speaker 6: She's younger, but she has this weird hair, and her
Speaker 6: outfit doesn't really fit her right. But either way, he
Speaker 6: becomes friends with her, and you're like, okay. And so
Speaker 6: he spends several weeks that summer playing with her out
Speaker 6: there in the woods.
Speaker 3: And like physically doing things with.
Speaker 6: Her on the swing and you know, just physically playing
Speaker 6: out there in the creek.
Speaker 3: Even she showed him what a cigarette is.
Speaker 6: Right one day, she was like, hey, I want to
Speaker 6: show you something. She took him to this tree and
Speaker 6: she had carved her in am in it Laura. And
Speaker 6: she put her hands a little hole in the tree
Speaker 6: and pulled out this pack of marble red cigarettes and
Speaker 6: taught him out of smoke. And he felt a little crazy,
Speaker 6: like all bad, Oh man, I'm doing something real bad.
Speaker 6: And she chiefed like ten cigarettes he smoked maybe a
Speaker 6: half a cigarette.
Speaker 5: Probably coughed his gut stead bite puked afterwards.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know, he he became friends with this girl,
Speaker 6: and you know, he told his sister about it, and
Speaker 6: they're like, okay, they got a little girlfriend in the woods.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 6: And then one day he went out there and she
Speaker 6: was just gone, just nowhere to be found. Weeks went by,
Speaker 6: months went by, never saw her ever again, and he
Speaker 6: was like, what happened, you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, where did she?
Speaker 5: God, you move whatever?
Speaker 6: And she had told him that she lived in that
Speaker 6: creepy house, right, she told him that he that she
Speaker 6: lived there on the third floor, and that she was
Speaker 6: an only child, and you know, she had a mom
Speaker 6: and dad who lived with her too, but she was
Speaker 6: the only child and she was homeschooled. So he thought, okay,
Speaker 6: maybe she's back, and maybe she got in trouble or something,
Speaker 6: or she's just back in her house. Anyway, school starts
Speaker 6: back up again and he goes back to the public school,
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, that house, that creepy house,
Speaker 6: it goes up for sale, and so everyone of the
Speaker 6: neighborhood's like, I want to go see the inside of
Speaker 6: this house, right, and he's like, mom, we have to
Speaker 6: go in here.
Speaker 5: Also, I want to see if Laura's in there, right, like,
Speaker 5: where's Laura?
Speaker 6: And so they go to this open house right and
Speaker 6: the mother is giving the tour and he sees what
Speaker 6: is obviously her dad and then what is obviously her
Speaker 6: mother because it looks just like Laura, like almost exactly
Speaker 6: like her in the face.
Speaker 5: So he's like, okay, there has to be your mom.
Speaker 5: You know, where's Laura?
Speaker 6: And so they're going through the tour and then they
Speaker 6: stop on the second floor and the lady's like, yep,
Speaker 6: and that's the whole house. And he's like, I know
Speaker 6: that there's a third floor because I know that's.
Speaker 5: Where Laura lives.
Speaker 6: And his mom asked the lady it was like, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, like I'm so glad to finally meet you.
Speaker 6: We've been here for years and we never knew who
Speaker 6: lived here. It's you know, we're so curious. And she
Speaker 6: was like, yes, sorry, we don't want to leave the
Speaker 6: house much after our daughter died a few years ago.
Speaker 5: And he's like, holy shit, well what or who was
Speaker 5: I playing with in the woods.
Speaker 6: And then the mom does this really creepy thing where
Speaker 6: she looks at him and says, what's wrong, boy, It
Speaker 6: looks like you've seen a ghost.
Speaker 5: And he's like, stop, chill.
Speaker 6: And so all of a sudden, his mom and his
Speaker 6: sister both looking at him, like, what the hell have
Speaker 6: you been playing with in the woods?
Speaker 5: Whatever is going on? You can't go out in the
Speaker 5: woods anymore. You're in trouble.
Speaker 6: And so he said one time he broke the rules
Speaker 6: and he did go back out there because he was
Speaker 6: convinced that Laura was being held captive in the house,
Speaker 6: that something bad was going on.
Speaker 5: It made no sense. There was no way it was
Speaker 5: a ghost. The third floor makes.
Speaker 6: Sense, right, she was being weird, the ghosts comment, and
Speaker 6: he physically touched her. He smoked the cigarettes with her, right,
Speaker 6: And so he goes out there one day and he
Speaker 6: looks up at the house and the mom's just on
Speaker 6: the third floor looking down at him, just staring at him,
Speaker 6: and he said, it scare the sh of him.
Speaker 5: And he never went back after that, And.
Speaker 6: So for decades he lived with this story where he's like,
Speaker 6: you know, what the hell happened? He told a few people,
Speaker 6: and then years later he was back in that same
Speaker 6: property because one of his family members and his uncle
Speaker 6: bought the property nearby, and so like they were out
Speaker 6: there in the woods, very close to where that area
Speaker 6: was in that house, and someone in his family just
Speaker 6: brought up, hey, remember.
Speaker 5: The whole Laura the Woods story. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: They're like, let's go see it, man, Let's go see
Speaker 5: that tree.
Speaker 6: And says like, all right, whatever, And so he takes
Speaker 6: his whole family over there, and as they kind of
Speaker 6: wind through the woods, he sees the tree Laura carved
Speaker 6: in it. He walks up to the tree, pushs his
Speaker 6: hand in the hole, pulls out a pack of Marlborough's
Speaker 6: Red cigarettes.
Speaker 5: Decades later, cigarette still in there.
Speaker 6: Wow. Everyone in his family's like, okay, this this is terrifying.
Speaker 6: And he's like, okay, what was my childhood? What was
Speaker 6: going on this whole time? And he said that weeks
Speaker 6: later it was on his mind every day and he
Speaker 6: was just having this really vivid nightmare one night and
Speaker 6: he basically woke up and came to the conclusion that
Speaker 6: he had this nightmare where he's walking through the woods
Speaker 6: and then he saw Laura sitting on a bench and
Speaker 6: then he like taps on the shoulder and she turns
Speaker 6: around and looks at him, and she grabs her hair
Speaker 6: and starts pulling on her hair and starts coming off,
Speaker 6: and it's a wig. And it was literally the mother
Speaker 6: the whole time, pretending to be a little girl in
Speaker 6: the woods. And he's once he kind of snapped, I
Speaker 6: guess into reality and realized what it was. He kind
Speaker 6: of realized that he knew this all along, that he
Speaker 6: and he was just somehow suppressing it or something. And
Speaker 6: it was I mean, for decades it was a mystery.
Speaker 6: But to me it was the scariest because it wasn't
Speaker 6: a ghost. What's scarier than a ghost an old lady
Speaker 6: pretending to be a little girl in the woods because
Speaker 6: she's like snapped because or something out of grief or whatever. Right,
Speaker 6: that's to me really scared me. And the guy was
Speaker 6: so genuine. It's a real story, and just like the
Speaker 6: way he was talking about it, I just that's the
Speaker 6: one I just couldn't shake.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is just gives me the I
Speaker 5: don't even know it was like.
Speaker 2: But it's like that wouldn't have been in the news
Speaker 2: or anything. How do you find this guy?
Speaker 6: I found this story on Reddit and what's funny is
Speaker 6: actually actually Mike found it on Reddit and it didn't
Speaker 6: have that many likes even. It was just kind of
Speaker 6: just buried in some subreddit I'm not even sure which one.
Speaker 6: And I saw in the comments that some guy said, hey,
Speaker 6: that's my story. You stole my story. This didn't happen
Speaker 6: to you. I originally posted this on some other random
Speaker 6: like band's website, like in their like forum, and so
Speaker 6: we go to that, and sure enough, this guy posted
Speaker 6: this story years earlier. This was like back in twenty ten,
Speaker 6: this guy posted this, and I was like, what are
Speaker 6: the chances this guy gets back to me? And sure
Speaker 6: enough he did, and I was like, man, this is
Speaker 6: like the scariest story ever. I hope he doesn't bail.
Speaker 6: And literally he messed at the hotel and the first
Speaker 6: thing he said was, hey, guys, not gonna lie. I
Speaker 6: almost bailed in the lobby. I was like, dude, just
Speaker 6: because he was like having second thoughts on should I
Speaker 6: tell this story?
Speaker 5: Like should I? You know, is this dumb? I was like, no, man,
Speaker 5: this is like, this is a genuinely scary story, and
Speaker 5: I believe you. Let's tell it.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, that's the thing about you know, some people,
Speaker 6: you know, if they're like doubters, might want to say,
Speaker 6: you know, this story isn't true or you know whatever,
Speaker 6: but like to be honest. On the other side of this,
Speaker 6: the production side of this, most of these people were
Speaker 6: very reluctant at times to tell all the details because
Speaker 6: they are real stories and they're just like any other
Speaker 6: interview subject to experience something scary, they're like, yeah, no
Speaker 6: one's gonna believe me, or you know, it was a
Speaker 6: horrifying experience that they're you know, cautious about reliving.
Speaker 5: You know, that's really what we're experiencing most of.
Speaker 6: The time, is like people being like, I don't know,
Speaker 6: they're not just chopping at the bit to tell me
Speaker 6: their story for radio rental, right, right, exactly, futal experience
Speaker 6: that it's kind of scary, right Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there's one there's one thing that I respect avenously
Speaker 1: is I know that you and your team did did
Speaker 1: a lot of fact checking too, like does this match up.
Speaker 5: With this chronology? Right? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And what's interesting about Laura and the Woods in particular,
Speaker 1: which goes to something that you mentioned, is this absolutely
Speaker 1: this absolutely could happen, and until there is a crime
Speaker 1: committed an actual crime, there's no there's no reason law
Speaker 1: enforce would be involved. It's not there's not a law
Speaker 1: against dressing up as your deceased child.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how would you write it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a quick break and have a word
Speaker 2: from our sponsor and then back with more from pain lendsy.
Speaker 3: And we are back. Can I bring up a story
Speaker 3: that it feels very similar to this to me. It's
Speaker 3: one that's just titled ham and cheese, like it's it's
Speaker 3: just a ham and cheese sandwich or whatever you exactly.
Speaker 3: I was written terrifying, So it's a perfect it's a
Speaker 3: perfect story for us to discuss on this show. It's
Speaker 3: it's about a man who's working as a sandwich I
Speaker 3: forget the title of it, but he makes sandwiches with
Speaker 3: subway right, yes, and he's just at work one day.
Speaker 3: He says he lives in kind of a CD part
Speaker 3: of town, so people are a little cautious, but it's not,
Speaker 3: you know, terribly scary out there. He's just at a subway, right,
Speaker 3: and he's going about his every day. Some dude walks
Speaker 3: in and I don't I can't remember exactly how he
Speaker 3: describes him. All I remember is he looks. I think
Speaker 3: he's got like dark dark features, like dark.
Speaker 6: He was middle Eastern, okay, and he said he described
Speaker 6: him looking a little bit like him, not like exactly,
Speaker 6: but kind of same kind of dark features, uh you know,
Speaker 6: dark eyebrows, yeah, thing.
Speaker 3: And kind of a younger man. And the one thing
Speaker 3: he really noticed was the man always kept his hand
Speaker 3: in his like his waistband in the.
Speaker 6: Back, yeah, behind his back, kind of thumbing his waistband, Like,
Speaker 6: what are you doing back there?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: And he got this vibe when he walked into just
Speaker 6: like just kind of instincts like something's not right about
Speaker 6: this guy, Like, you know, is.
Speaker 5: There a gun behind his back? Is there a knight?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: What is he doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And he's being really quiet and just you know
Speaker 3: if he's going to say, if he says anything, it's
Speaker 3: quick and and that's it. And the dude is super
Speaker 3: nervous there making. He asked him, you know, what do
Speaker 3: you want? The dude just says ham and cheese.
Speaker 5: Or ham and Swiss and Swiss, yeah, Swiss.
Speaker 3: And so you know, as a sandwich professional there, I
Speaker 3: forget this artist. Sandwich artist artist, he's making the sandwich
Speaker 3: and everything. And then he has to ask him, do
Speaker 3: you want it toasted?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And there's this moment where he knows he's getting this
Speaker 3: vibe off of this guy, like something's wrong.
Speaker 5: Is this going to be a robbery?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly totally, And he he has to ask him,
Speaker 3: do you want it toasted? And he knows that to
Speaker 3: toast it. If he does want it, He's got to
Speaker 3: turn his back to the dude for a little bit.
Speaker 5: Wait, they toasted subway. I thought that was only quiz
Speaker 5: exclusive man been toasting in California somewhere. This is in
Speaker 5: La somewhere, Okay.
Speaker 3: So so he asked him this and the guy's just like, yeah, fine, whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 3: toast it. So he turns around to do this thing.
Speaker 3: Are our protagonist here is really really nervous and there's
Speaker 3: nothing on this sandwich but bread, ham and Swiss, and
Speaker 3: he just turns around to do He's like wrapping it
Speaker 3: up to put it in the toaster, and for some reason,
Speaker 3: his nerves get to him, everything gets to him, and
Speaker 3: the sandwich falls, right, he drops the sandwcharps the sandwich man,
Speaker 3: and it lands in a very certain, a very certain way.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a pattern with this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he just kind of like as soon as he
Speaker 6: dropped it, which he'd never done in a thousand times,
Speaker 6: and he drops the sandwich and like right as he's
Speaker 6: dropping it, it's like time slowed down or something, and
Speaker 6: this overwhelming rush of deja vu kind of hits him.
Speaker 6: And so as the sandwich is falling and the way
Speaker 6: the cheese landed, he was like really kind of taking
Speaker 6: note of what it looked like and was like, just
Speaker 6: had this dejau vu. I've been here, I've seen this
Speaker 6: before a thing. And like right after he gets out
Speaker 6: of his own head, he looks up because he's like,
Speaker 6: oh shit, that guy's here. And he's just gone, like
Speaker 6: not there at all. Didn't hear the door open or close.
Speaker 6: Had only been a couple of seconds maybe, And his
Speaker 6: first instinct is where is this guy? So he runs
Speaker 6: out in the parking lot. There's not even a car
Speaker 6: in the parking lot. There's nothing there. He even goes
Speaker 6: around the corner. There's just no people around. Right now,
Speaker 6: He's like, that makes no sense. How did that happen? Like,
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess he ran. Was there a getaway car?
Speaker 1: No see in the restroom or something that would be
Speaker 1: the only other option no.
Speaker 6: No, nowhere to be found. And he's like, okay, whatever, right,
Speaker 6: weird enough, but it gets weirder, Yeah, because I think
Speaker 6: it's a week or so.
Speaker 3: A little while out. Yeah, and he's back, you know,
Speaker 3: at work doing his thing and here's the door open
Speaker 3: and looks up and it's really strange because it looks
Speaker 3: like pretty much the same guy but older. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: really really similar almost, if not the same guy, but older,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, discernibly older. Right, Yes, dude comes up ask
Speaker 3: for a sandwich? What does he asked for?
Speaker 5: Ham and Swiss.
Speaker 6: He's got that same vibe to this, just kind of like, okay,
Speaker 6: the same vibe that the other guy gave him as
Speaker 6: soon as he walked in and then we said hamm
Speaker 6: and Swiss. He's like, okay, what's going on? But I
Speaker 6: mean also, you know, common sandwich. But then when he
Speaker 6: noticed him thumbing in his waistband, yeah, he's like, oh,
Speaker 6: you're kidding me, right, Like wow, what is this person doing?
Speaker 5: Is he messing with me?
Speaker 6: Is this it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And so he gets to the part where he has
Speaker 6: to ask him if he wants it toasted, and this,
Speaker 6: to him is like the drum roll ultimate test. If
Speaker 6: I'm gonna die or if this is just the weirdest
Speaker 6: thing ever, if he says yes, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so he asked the guy do you want it toasted?
Speaker 6: And he's just like, nah, I'm good. And he's like, oh, okay, cool,
Speaker 6: So he's good.
Speaker 5: It's all good.
Speaker 6: Is fine, and then he goes through the checkout process
Speaker 6: and he goes it's kind of tangent about how and
Speaker 6: I guess there's some tax or something in California if
Speaker 6: you want it.
Speaker 3: Or for hot food.
Speaker 5: For hot food, if you wanted it toasted.
Speaker 3: It's been cooked. Basically, if you used energy in order to.
Speaker 5: Write cook the food, it's like ten cents or something.
Speaker 6: But they have a conversation about that, and then the
Speaker 6: guy kind of gives him a snark remark back and
Speaker 6: was like, you know, I would have paid the tax.
Speaker 6: It's not why I that's not why I didn't it
Speaker 6: come on, and he was like yeah, obviously, and so
Speaker 6: he's kind of like whatever, and he pays for the sandwich,
Speaker 6: and then he walks to the door and he's just
Speaker 6: turns around and looks at him, and he kind of
Speaker 6: gives him this all knowing grin, and he just says,
Speaker 6: I still want you to drop it and then walks
Speaker 6: out the door. It's like what and he said, it
Speaker 6: literally just scared the out of it.
Speaker 5: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: And then, for a background for anybody who's not too
Speaker 1: familiar with the Sandwich Change Subway, a lot of people
Speaker 1: probably hearing this story, hearing Radio Rental and thinking, well,
Speaker 1: doesn't he have co workers or something? Not really subway
Speaker 1: is yeah, the subway is notorious for having one to
Speaker 1: like a maximum of three people, you know, totally, totally,
Speaker 1: So Souders said, you know, if I'm paraphrasing that, the
Speaker 1: mark of a good story to him is that when
Speaker 1: the story is over, you don't want it to end.
Speaker 1: You want to know what else happens to the characters.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing that I think is powerful about
Speaker 1: this this story in particular, because like everybody listening now
Speaker 1: to this episode, listening to Radio Rental is probably going
Speaker 1: to say, well, what happened to la Sandwich guy?
Speaker 5: Is like, is he all right?
Speaker 3: So I wanted to pose it to you guys, like
Speaker 3: for potential possibilities of what happened there, and we you know,
Speaker 3: assuming that this is an absolute true story and it
Speaker 3: happened the way this this person said it happened, right,
Speaker 3: So is it possible that it's like like a father
Speaker 3: and son who are incredibly similar and like the son
Speaker 3: told him a story. What do you think? Is it
Speaker 3: a time travel situation or is it a.
Speaker 2: Really elaborate kind of stalking kind of like troll kind
Speaker 2: of situation that's him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe, but why did he
Speaker 3: look so different and so much older only a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks later?
Speaker 1: And elaborate prank sounds a little Rube goldberg Ess for this,
Speaker 1: a little like the mouse trap game. But the first
Speaker 1: thing I had thought of was, you know, a familial
Speaker 1: relation uncle son, father son, something like that, given the
Speaker 1: age difference.
Speaker 2: But to what end though, I don't understand, Like, like
Speaker 2: what what's the what's what are you accomplishing?
Speaker 1: We travel to La a lot man, that place is crazy,
Speaker 1: that's a weirdo. Yeah, but that the familial relation could
Speaker 1: also explain certain physical habits like tucking one arm back.
Speaker 5: Just a major coincidence, right, maybe maybe, but that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You know, that's uh, there are like we can we
Speaker 1: can all rationally accept one to two coincidences, right, but
Speaker 1: as a coincidence as they accrete over the course of
Speaker 1: something with the similarities the sandwich, even though I think
Speaker 1: we're all being pretty fair in our skepticism, Like you
Speaker 1: pointed out pain, You're like, well, it's a common sandwich,
Speaker 1: but they have they make many different kinds of sandwiches.
Speaker 1: So we've got physical similarity, right, We've got physical similar mannerisms,
Speaker 1: same sandwich. We've got what appears to be a reference
Speaker 1: to the earlier situation.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: One of the questions I would ask is did the
Speaker 1: door ding when the guy opened it and walked out,
Speaker 1: because we see him walk out. She remembers no sound
Speaker 1: of the dan in the first time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the first time. So yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a almost like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts behind a magic trick.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I did have one printed question. He
Speaker 3: is in California, Yep, A certain substance is legal there.
Speaker 3: He is at work, Yeah, Like, were you high?
Speaker 5: He said he wasn't.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because that that moment, I'm not saying I
Speaker 3: recognize this moment or identify with it, but the moment
Speaker 3: of like something happening, like oh man, I just dropped
Speaker 3: the sandwich I was making for somebody, and I watched
Speaker 3: it hit the ground, And it's intriguing to me for
Speaker 3: some reason or another. If in that state, I could
Speaker 3: imagine that it takes longer than you thought, Like you
Speaker 3: spend more time staring at the cheese than you thought totally,
Speaker 3: and maybe you're like tuned out a little more. That
Speaker 3: dude just like takes off and you're just like, oh man,
Speaker 3: this feels weird. Wait where did that guy go?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, And this guy was totally willing to accept
Speaker 6: that as what happened, right, He's not like this had
Speaker 6: to be some ripple and time. He's like, you know,
Speaker 6: rationally he's speaking. It was probably a guy who was
Speaker 6: gonna try to rob him. In the beginning, he freaked
Speaker 6: out and like didn't realize how long he looked at
Speaker 6: the ground and was super nervous in his own head.
Speaker 6: And the guy just darted out of there quickly and
Speaker 6: just got the hell out. And then the next week
Speaker 6: or two was just a super strange coincidence. And that
Speaker 6: guy has no idea how much it terrified him, but
Speaker 6: it was really kind of just the way that it
Speaker 6: felt to him. It was like you know, and maybe
Speaker 6: he just played it up in his head, because I mean,
Speaker 6: the guy when he looked at him leaving the second time,
Speaker 6: he just said he had this vibe, this feeling about
Speaker 6: him where he's like, gotcha, you son of a bitch,
Speaker 6: And he was like, it just felt like that to me.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's in his own head, but like it was
Speaker 6: really just the feelings and the way that like his
Speaker 6: own sensory was kind of going on off, coupled with
Speaker 6: all the coincidences and just the strangeness of it that
Speaker 6: made him feel like maybe it was something more.
Speaker 5: Maybe it could be something more, but like what and
Speaker 5: he doesn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that that ambiguity too, is a
Speaker 1: huge part of it, because everybody has had We've all
Speaker 1: had some moment in our lives where something at the
Speaker 1: very edge of the map of things we can explain occurs. Right,
Speaker 1: And you know, as people are listening to this episode,
Speaker 1: we're probably hearing stories. As a matter of fact, you
Speaker 1: know what, right to us, right to nol Paine, Matt
Speaker 1: Paul and I with your own strange stories.
Speaker 5: Definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you guys still accepting stories.
Speaker 5: For the future?
Speaker 3: We are.
Speaker 6: We've had a bunch of amazing submissions. We have an
Speaker 6: email if you want to send them. It's just your
Speaker 6: Scary Story at gmail dot com. So if you have
Speaker 6: what you think is your radio Rental story and you
Speaker 6: want to tell it, then we'll see what happens.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, you know we're we're getting close to
Speaker 3: time here. I do want to bring up just before
Speaker 3: we close here, there are some stories in there about
Speaker 3: real encounters with killers. Oh yeah, in in Radio Rental,
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to spoil those because those are
Speaker 3: some of the most impactful stories within the show, and
Speaker 3: for me, we can. I just want to mention some
Speaker 3: of the names. So, like, if you're interested out there
Speaker 3: listening to this and you want to look up some
Speaker 3: of these killers that I was somewhat unaware of before
Speaker 3: listening to this. You guys touch on Mark Goodou, the
Speaker 3: baseline killer.
Speaker 5: Yeah in Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a story in there that is so
Speaker 3: freaking creepy.
Speaker 5: That's one of the scariest ones. I think.
Speaker 3: I completely agree. I mean, talk to you stop, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: who was that, by the way, and who said can
Speaker 3: I talk to.
Speaker 6: So the lady that I was interviewing, she was really
Speaker 6: sweet and she had a great voice, and she just
Speaker 6: went into the character and was like, yeah, I went,
Speaker 6: you know, open the window, and.
Speaker 5: He just said can I talk to you?
Speaker 6: And so she that's her ddit and we just kind
Speaker 6: of like altered her voice a couple of times to
Speaker 6: kind of make it, but she whispered it several times in.
Speaker 5: Her interview and I was like, Wow, it was creepy
Speaker 5: hearing her just imitate him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not right, And that's a story. I don't
Speaker 3: want to spoil any of that. It's just it's there's
Speaker 3: another story about another serial killer that ends up getting
Speaker 3: encountered in Baton Rouge, in Bad Rouge, where there's that
Speaker 3: moment where this guy could have been picked up by
Speaker 3: police that night. If things that would have gone one way,
Speaker 3: he could have also killed this person's girlfriend that night.
Speaker 3: And so when you think about just the concept of
Speaker 3: multi universes, which we like to have talked about a
Speaker 3: lot on this show, where all of these different things
Speaker 3: are occurring, you know, somewhere out there within this realm
Speaker 3: that the story that you have exists in this version
Speaker 3: of our reality where again I won't spoil it, but
Speaker 3: what happened happened in that story.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: So what our Pain and Matt talking about. We won't
Speaker 5: tell you, but.
Speaker 1: You can learn for yourself when you dive into radio rental.
Speaker 1: The first season is available in its entirety now wherever
Speaker 1: you're listening to podcasts, wherever you found this show, probably
Speaker 1: and we guarantee you it's a wild ride. Also, I
Speaker 1: love that we mentioned this earlier. When I hit it again,
Speaker 1: you may end up being part of a part of
Speaker 1: the narrative in subsequent seasons.
Speaker 5: If that is, you have a story of your.
Speaker 1: Own and you email Pain and his team in the meantime.
Speaker 1: Of course, Paint as always, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being so generous with your time. Man, Sure coming on,
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