1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: All right, playing buck third hour kicks off. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: Now looks like they have the alleged assassin of the 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: United Healthcare CEO. This was an absolutely brazen assassination in 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: the morning, right next to our New York City studio, 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: right near where I've got family. This was just crazy. 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: They've got a lot on this guy already. He was 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 2: a U pen This is according to the Daily Mail 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: right now. Okay, so I want to give you what 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: the Daily Mail has on this individual, the assassin of 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: Brian Thompson. He's a suspect now, so again everything here 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: is alleged, as we know, for legal purposes, none of 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: this has proven. Everyone is entitled to a trial and 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: a presumption of innocence as the legal standard. 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: That all said, s. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: I it's like the sunny hostin things where she has 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 2: to read all the time. Yeah, just to be you 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: have to do clear disclaimer. Yeah, those are my disclaimers 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: because we're about to get into a whole lot of details. 19 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: They've got everything on this guy, and he apparently went 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: to the went to the University of Pennsylvania. Say, he's 21 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: an Ivy League grad twenty six years old. Luigi Mangioni 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: is the name The New York Times has identified him 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: as such, as now many others as well. He was 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: taken into custody around one hundred miles east of Pittsburgh. 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: He had a. 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: Gun similar to the one used in that murder, along 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: with a silencer, which is what it's right, not a suppressor. 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: That's not what they wrote. 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: They wrote silencer, a manifesto about healthcare, four fake IDs 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: on him, including a fake ID that it is believed 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: that he was, that he used to check into that 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: hostel on the Upper West Side. He I mean, I'm 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: just giving you all the details. We have an anti 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: capitalist no surprise there, valedictorian at his high school, originally 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: from tocin Maryland, and we know all. So just some 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: pertinent details found with the fake id's on him, found 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: with the manifesto on him, found with the gun, found 38 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: with a silencer, and it all seems to add up 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: to what we saw in that video. Also, it is 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: believed Clay that he made the gun, so now calling 41 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: it a ghost gun. This would explain the sort of 42 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: single action nature of it. Also why he wasn't at 43 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: all slowed down or particularly nervous when it came to 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: the actual assassination. 45 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: Itself. 46 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: You know, the gun seemed to have jammed and he 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: had a few bullets ejected out of it. He made 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: that gun himself, is what is believe. Right now, we 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: have a Mayor Eric Adams is cut twenty eight referring 50 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: to this as a strong person of interest. 51 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: Let's play it. 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: We have a strong person of interest in the shooting 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: that shook a city last week. A CEO Brian Thompson 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: of United Healthcare was the victim of a senseless act 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: of violence. 56 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: And so this is a strong person of interest. 57 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: He matches the description of the identification we've been looking for. 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: He's also in possession of several items that we believe 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: will connect him to this incident. How did we do it? 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: A good old fashioned police work. 61 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: Good old fashioned police work. They tracked him down. Amazing 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: when you see Clay, how many cameras there are on 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: the streets of New York City this guy. Just a 64 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: few things that are kind of settled by this. Assuming 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: this is the guy, and I think, I mean, I know, 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: presumption of it is in. That's a good trial. But 67 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: he has the manifesto on him, you have the weapon 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: on him. Ye, Assuming that this is the guy, we 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: can answer the question whether this is a professional note not. 70 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: It was a planned assassination, but he was not paid. 71 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: It seems there's no indication he was paid by anybody. 72 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: Seems that he was acting alone. Seems he was ideologically driven. 73 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: Clay another leftist, anti capitalist lunatic engaged in an assassination. 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: There's actually a long history of this in this country. Yes, 75 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: and it also is I hate to say it, but 76 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: it's kind of a reflection of online society because who 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: have the people been who have been celebrating, sadly in 78 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: some way this attack online? Mostly white left wingers who 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: are actually highly educated, often in the context of where 80 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: they have gone to school. Right, This guy, according to 81 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 2: his bio, has double degrees from the University of Pennsylvania. 82 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: So this is not someone who was uneducated in nature. 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: It's someone who convinced themselves that the American healthcare system, 84 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 2: in his mind, was so broken that he needed to 85 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: kill an executive working at one of those hospitals. And 86 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: if he had this manifesto in his possession on in 87 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: some way, Buck, it would feel like he wanted to 88 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: actually get caught, right. 89 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: To be able to share that story. 90 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: Yes, and I've got to say, Clay, when you look 91 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: at the online reaction to this, there were all these leftists, uh, 92 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: you know, Biden voters, whatever you want to call them, 93 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: who were trying to justify this in some way or 94 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: say there was some highest purpose. That's that's first of all, 95 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: it's it's morally repugnant, Okay, it's it's it's a complete 96 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: rejection of the most basic ethics as a human being, 97 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: you know, just going to assassinate somebody who is totally 98 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: helpless and defenseless from behind because you don't like what 99 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: an entire multi trillion dollar industry is doing these days. 100 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: But beyond that, the idea, and this is where these 101 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: leftists it's always just there's such a malignant narcissism at 102 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 2: the heart of this, these leftists who think that they're 103 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: going to change anything by doing this. There's many of 104 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: these companies. It's a huge structural the healthcare problems we're 105 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: talking about, a huge structural problems. Democrats wanted a lot 106 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: of these problems, or are called for a lot of 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 2: these problems to happen because of some of the huge 108 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: changes in healthcare that have happened over. 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: The last decade or so. 110 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: And this isn't going to have any intended effect other 111 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: than murder a family man and a guy who is 112 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: running a company in the most kind of heinous and 113 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: premeditated fashion. And now this guy, I think, I mean, 114 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 2: his manifesto is likely to be released, I think very quickly, 115 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: which will be interesting. The Tennessee manifesto of the trans 116 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: terrorist that not what's up. We still don't have it 117 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 2: by Yeah, we're still on that, like kept that manifesto. 118 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: This manifesto, I think you can set an egg timer. 119 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: I mean, this manifesto is going to be out very quickly, 120 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: I think, and there will be a lot of conversations 121 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: that happen about healthcare and all the rest of it. 122 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: But yeah, man looks like they got him as soon 123 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: as they said person of interest inside this country. If 124 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: he was a professional, as in a hit man that 125 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: was paid, my assumption was first move would be to 126 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: get that he would have made would have been to 127 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: get to an airport and get out of the United States, 128 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: because if you do something like this in the US 129 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 2: and you stay in the US, you're going to get caught. 130 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: And now this guy's been allegedly caught, well he's been caught, 131 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: but allegedly he's the guy who did it, segueing perfectly. 132 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: That manifesto's already out on CNN. This is quotes from 133 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: his manifesto. He says he acted alone, was self funded. Quote, 134 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: these parasites had it coming. I do apologize for any 135 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: strife and trauma, but it had to be done. That 136 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: is per CNN. They already have excerpts out from the 137 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: manifesto of what appears to be the killer of the 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: United Healthcare CEO. So again, already CNN posting excerpts from 139 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: this manifesto of a I guess far left wing, deranged 140 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: killer who is using his act as justification for the 141 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: American healthcare system being broken in his mind. And I 142 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: here's something else I would add, Buck, and I don't 143 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: know that you talked about this on Friday or not. 144 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: Can we go back to banning people from wearing masks, 145 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: because one reason this guy wasn't immediately caught is because 146 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 2: he was wearing a mask. The reason why masks are 147 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: banned and were banned up until COVID is because it's 148 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: the number. 149 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: One way to get away with a crime. I mean, 150 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: what do you do when you rob a bank? You 151 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: put on a mask. 152 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: Also as an aside, I guarantee you, as we look 153 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: in this guy's social media, guarantee you he was a 154 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: big proponent of masking and lockdowns. I think that certainly 155 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: he was if you break this down, certainly there was 156 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: a major component to him being a left wing loon. 157 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: But I do think if you're wearing a mask, there's 158 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: a reason why we ban them, and we should bring 159 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: it back because this guy would have been caught far 160 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 2: more rapidly if there had actually been an ability to 161 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: not have him hide his face as it was now. 162 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: By the way, Credit to whoever was working at the 163 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: Altoona McDonald's that recognized this guy. 164 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: And caught him. 165 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but the picture of this guy, 166 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: I don't think if I were working in McDonald's, maybe 167 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: there was some behavior. I'd be actually interested to hear 168 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: what kind of this uh McDonald's worker saw that made 169 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: him think, Oh, this is the guy everybody's looking for. 170 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: Credit to him or her who called police and actually 171 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: got this guy caught, because I don't know that I 172 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: would be able to recognize somebody based on that limited 173 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: you know, photo that we saw of that guy wearing 174 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: a mask for the most part. So, uh, that's impressive 175 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: that we were able to get this guy caught in 176 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: this way. And again, to your point, I think it 177 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: was a good one. The manifesto's out five minutes about 178 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: after he's arrested. We still can't see the trans manifesto 179 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: a year and a half later. I'll say this, this 180 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: thought crossed my mind, Clay. I don't know if this 181 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: is just way too premature and everything else. There's there's 182 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: no guilty plea this guy. Let's just let's just go 183 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: to the point of him being charged for the sake 184 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: of discussion. Again, innocent until proven guilty, and it's alleged. 185 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: Everything is alleged right now. When they take this to 186 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: a trial, assuming they take it to a trial, there 187 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: is no plea that he takes that does not result 188 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: in him spending the rest of his life in prison. 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: I would assume. So that means that the roll of 190 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: the dice here is likely to be. 191 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: That he would take it to a actual trial because 192 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: he would then be able to grant stand a bit 193 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: or get more attention for his cause. Or what if 194 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: this guy's an ideologue, Okay, he's an ideological assassin. That 195 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: is what we have seen based on everything, and I 196 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: don't think there's a chance. I rather, I don't think 197 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: the chance is zero that he would not have somebody 198 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: on that jury who might be a little bit sympathetic 199 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: based on what I've seen online. 200 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: I worry. I worry. 201 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: I don't think you'll get a people to acquit him, 202 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: but you could have a hung jury the first time 203 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: just based on what the craziness you have seen online 204 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 2: from people is like nothing I ever expected on this issue. 205 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: Well, here's the defense attorney. Attorney in me. 206 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: Buck that he just went insaying because he was so 207 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: bereaved over the death of one of his beloved family members, 208 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: and he focused and fixated on the insurance angle as 209 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: the reason why his beloved family member isn't still alive, 210 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: And he snapped, is that an argument in New York 211 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: City that could persuade one juror to be unable or 212 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: unwilling to convict? To your point, I think it's probably his. 213 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: I mean, they're gonna have him on tape. We all 214 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: saw the video of him walking up and shooting. They 215 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 2: have him in possession of the gun, they have him 216 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: in possession of the ID. 217 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: There is basically he's caught. 218 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: Could he come forward with an insanity defense the passion 219 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: of the moment, and that somehow renders him not culpable 220 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: for the act he undertook. Again, if I were the 221 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: defense attorney, that's the angle I'd probably go with. Well, 222 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: what I'm saying here is I don't think this guy's 223 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: going quietly into the night. 224 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: I don't think he's just going. 225 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: To disappear into an upstate New York prison for the 226 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: next you know, forty to fifty years whatever it is. 227 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: My sense, I mean, that may eventually happen, But my 228 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: sense is that this is going to be a case 229 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: that people talk about for some time. And I also 230 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: worry that at some level it could, depending on how 231 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: much attention this gets it, it could encourage these kinds 232 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: of ideologically motivated Look. 233 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: He's a terrorist. I mean, this guy's a terrorist. 234 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: That's why he did what he did to terrorize the 235 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: healthcare industry and to shock people into focusing in on 236 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: this issue in the way that he wants them to. 237 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: So this is there. 238 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: There will be ramifications beyond just him being caught. Right now, 239 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: I think this is going to be something we're talking 240 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: about for a while. By the way, this is why 241 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: we haven't mentioned the guy's name so far. It's out there, 242 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: but he wants to be famous. You write a man, 243 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I sharing. I didn't change the apologies. I 244 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: won't do it again. Clay, sorry, but I mean it 245 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 2: is in the DAR millions of people out No, it's 246 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: gonna be everywhere. But I've tried to avoid saying it 247 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: because he wants to be famous. I mean, that's the 248 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: reason he killed this guy. And that's the reason. Now 249 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: you can say, we're saying some of the motivations, manifestos, 250 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: everything else. 251 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: Look, we'll come back. 252 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: We'll continue to take your calls and interact on this 253 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: and the Daniel Penny news. But there's photos up of 254 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: the Daniel Penny team going out in New York City 255 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: to have a beer to celebrate his not being convicted. 256 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: I just I would say, in general, I'm nervous about 257 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: his safety. I hope that he gets somewhere and has 258 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: security to protect him. 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Daniel Penny not guilty 287 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: in the case involving Jordan Neely's subway Good Samaritan United 288 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO murder. Karen asked a good question Buck that 289 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: I was trying to get at VIP email. Can you 290 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: explain how the jury could be deadlocked on the higher 291 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: charge but then find him innocent on the lesser charge. 292 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: It seems backwards to me. It's a great question from Karen. 293 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: This is what I was trying to hit at in 294 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: the first hour. 295 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: Buck. 296 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: My only thought there is that they were actually deadlocked, 297 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: like ten to two not guilty, and the more they talked, 298 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: the not guilty jury members were able to persuade the 299 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: ones who were saying he was guilty. In other words, 300 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: a lot of us were thinking, oh, maybe there's only 301 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: a couple of people holding out that are refusing to 302 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: go with the guilty verdict. 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That's prizepicks dot com, 331 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: my name Clay. We've got the Daniel Penny verdict that 332 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: came down not guilty. 333 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: We were very pleased about that. 334 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: Here on Clay and Buck thought it was the right thing, 335 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: the right thing for New York City, the right thing 336 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: for justice. Also, the alleged assassin of the United Healthcare 337 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: CEO now in custody, and. 338 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it's they got a lot of 339 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: stuff on this guy. 340 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 2: Before we go back into that, though, Clay, I just 341 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: have to say, because I caught this as I was 342 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: doing a headline scan, make sure we're up to in 343 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: the latest breaking news. Here the photo that they have 344 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: chosen for the currently for the front page of the 345 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: Washington Post for the Daniel Penny case. Daniel Penny. It's harder. 346 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 2: You'd have to see it, so I don't know. I mean, 347 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: I'll share it on X people can see. They make 348 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: it look like he's Voldemort. It's just so interesting that 349 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: there's like it's a dark photo, there's shadows behind him. 350 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: He has a kind of almost a grimace on his face. 351 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: I'm an air of menace. The Washington Post is just 352 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: a disgrace. That's why they're such a disgrace and such 353 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: a propaganda rag for the left. And now let's talk 354 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 2: about the leftist anarchist who or anti capitalist who goes 355 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: to Ivy League schools, went to a fancy prep school 356 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: and murdered a man in cold blood because he didn't 357 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: like the way that healthcare policy had been going in 358 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: this country. Clay, This here's something that is in the 359 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: back of my mind. As we're seeing all of this, 360 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: people are asking right now, are they're going to be 361 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: blm riots in New York City? And I don't know 362 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: if the left is really in the race riot mood 363 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: right now. Perhaps, But if you recall, it wasn't long 364 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: ago when anti capitalism, anti corporatism, and antifa were very 365 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 2: much where the left wing shock troops were focusing. There 366 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: are back in the Occupy Wall Street days, back in 367 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: the twenty eleven, you know, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen era, 368 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: you had these radical leftist types who were pushing all 369 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: these different communist ideologies effectively in this country. Maybe we'll 370 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: see something of a resurgence of that among the Democrat 371 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: vanguard going forward. I don't know, but I still am 372 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: in shock, and I think I'm rarely shocked, but I 373 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: still was in shock reading the comments all across the 374 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: internet after this assassination. How many people we're willing to 375 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: publicly and even in their own name support the just 376 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: cruel assassination of a fellow human being, of a father, 377 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: of a husband, of an American on the streets of 378 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: New York City. You know, the left is looking for 379 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 2: something these days to rally around. I wonder if this 380 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 2: anti capitalism thing is going to grow more as a 381 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: cause for them as part of the resistance. It's a 382 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: fantastic question, which frankly has a lot of CEO spooped. 383 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: Many of them now. 384 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: Are taking out personal security, and a lot of these 385 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: websites are taking their photos off of the front of 386 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: websites so that it isn't as easy to know who 387 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: they are. We were talking about this off air, Buck. 388 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's more than five or six 389 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: CEOs that I would actually recognize, and they're famous, right 390 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: Tim cook elon Musk, Bob iiger Lachlan Murdock, who's the 391 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: CEO of Fox, because I know him personally, but there's 392 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: only like five or six that I would recognize at all. 393 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 2: Most of them are not incredibly public individuals in terms 394 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: of the profile beyond their job. I would be very 395 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: nervous if I were a healthcare CEO that this would 396 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: create some kind of copycat situation. And this individual, I 397 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: do think the fact that he is a graduate of Gilman. 398 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: For those of you who know the Baltimore area, that 399 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: is the elite all boys private school, probably the most 400 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: expensive school in the entire city. My college roommate was 401 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: a graduate of Gilman. He's the one who just texted 402 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: me that a picture of this would be assassin from 403 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: their yearbook and also an Ivy League grad at the 404 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 2: University of Pennsylvania. What is going on that this kind 405 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: of toxicity could exist on the left and buck? Remember 406 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: we've heard for so long, Oh, the reason why we 407 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: had to go arrest all of those right wing radicals, 408 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: the reason why we're showing up at protest rallies relating 409 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: to abortion and knocking on people's doors who were standing 410 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: outside of abortion clinics, is because right wing radicalism can't 411 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 2: be allowed. Doesn't it seem like there's an awful lot 412 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: of left wing criminals that are actually the people terrorizing 413 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: much of America right now. I mean, if this were 414 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: a right wing Trump zealot who walked up with a 415 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: gun and shot someone in cold blood, it would be everywhere. Oh, 416 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: this is what Trump's election has caused. Look at how 417 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: the right wing extremists are enabled. At what point do 418 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: we start having conversations about the radicalization of people on 419 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: the left such that this guy's gonna believe he's a hero. 420 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: I think that we're already. 421 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: This is what I kept saying about how how flabbergasted 422 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 2: that I was by the online response to this. There 423 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: was far more support than I would have anticipated for 424 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 2: something so so cold blooded and so heinous. 425 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, this is. 426 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 2: This is a It was a dark moment, honestly for 427 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: those of us who cover the news and cover opinion 428 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: to see how many people out there were saying, yeah, Okay, 429 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 2: maybe I don't agree. I agree with this, as if 430 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 2: it was, you know, like somebody was rude. I mean, 431 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: the assassinated somebody in cold blood from behind, and it 432 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: just goes to I think there are a lot of 433 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: the Left is comprised clay of deeply when you look 434 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: at the real left, like the hardcore left, they are 435 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: deeply unhappy and emotionally and psychologically unstable people, and they 436 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: need something to explain that they don't want to look within, 437 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: and so they grab onto these causes. Whether it's systemic races, 438 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 2: or it's climate change is going to kill us all, 439 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: or anti capitalism and Marxism. They these different ideas, these 440 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: isms that they become obsessed with, come from a deep 441 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: psychological need, a need to externalize their unhappiness, their rage, 442 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: their sense of extreme injustice. And it's much easier to 443 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 2: them and much more comforting to focus on their perceived 444 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: enemies than it is to look at, well, what can 445 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: I do to actually make the world better or make 446 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: people's lives. 447 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Better around me? And so this is why the left 448 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: hops from issue to issue. They hop from oh, this 449 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: is the most important thing in the world, that that's 450 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: the most important thing in the world. And they're extremists, 451 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: you know that. 452 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: Right now, we've been talking a lot about the trans 453 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: surgery for miners issue because it went to the Supreme Court. 454 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: That became a big cause for the left. You know, 455 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: they just jump from these from issue to issue, and 456 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 2: you know there could be a moment here where this 457 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: becomes something much more prominent in certainly the conversation among 458 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: left wing radicals in this country. 459 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: And I agree with you. 460 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: I think a lot of CEOs are on edge right now, 461 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: and understandably so, because one of these is an incident, 462 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,479 Speaker 2: is an assassination. If another one happens, then it's a trend. 463 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: Right then there's a real sense of foreboding about what 464 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: this means for the future. And instead of people just 465 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, voting or even voting their shares as shareholders 466 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: of companies, taking matters into their own hands in a 467 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: violent way. I mean, this is deeply destabilizing. If this 468 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: grows beyond just one, I think it's a concern. 469 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: No doubt. 470 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: And there's a report up that this individual had posted 471 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: a review of Ted Kaczinski's manifesto saying violence never solved 472 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: anything is a statement uttered by cowards. This guy has 473 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: an Amazon profile and was rating the manifesto of Ted Kazinski, 474 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: the unibomber. 475 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: So these build. 476 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: My point on this is these build on top of 477 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: each other. So if I'm out there and I'm thinking, 478 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: is this guy going to get some sort of positive 479 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: coverage in leftist media, and based on their early reactions, 480 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem crazy to me that he could. To 481 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: your point, Buck, that could spurn a further copycat related 482 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: move where somebody looks at the way this guy's received 483 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: and says, oh, I want to be famous like him, 484 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: let me also do what he did. You know, I 485 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: also think he had to be aware he was going 486 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: to get caught, which is right, it doesn't, which is 487 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: why he's traveling with the manifesto, right, because the expectation 488 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: is at some point he's going to get recognized. I mean, 489 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: if this guy had approached this differently, you know, if 490 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: he's a radical leftist, the sort of standard move that 491 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: somebody like this would take, I think would be you 492 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: try to get either you try to disappear across the 493 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 2: border into Mexico, or better for the purposes of non 494 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: extradition and not being able to be caught, you try 495 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 2: to just get to Cuba. I mean, some you know, radicals, 496 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: murderers people in the past have gone to Cuba because 497 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: they've been given safe harbor there, just as a thumb 498 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 2: in the off of the United States. He wasn't gonna 499 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: he wasn't gonna wait this thing out in Pennsylvania, is 500 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: my point. So he knew he was gonna get caught. 501 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: And and I think now he's looking forward to the 502 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: I mean, based on what we're seeing, he's looking forward 503 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: to the trial and all. But the manifesto, Clay, you 504 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: pointed this out two pages. This guy he's a really 505 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: good you know, this. 506 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: Little bit lazy on the manifesto. Yeah, that's not much 507 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: of a manifesto. 508 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you know he's he's talking at least ted 509 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: because it wasn't the Unibomber manifesto, like really long. 510 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I don't even remember now maybe it wasn't. Oh it 511 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: was hundreds of pages. 512 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did it tiptoe up to the Unibomber Manifesto. 513 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was super detailed. So two pages. 514 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: I don't know that we can call it a manifesto 515 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: but to but certainly this guy wanted to be famous. 516 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: To your point, if he was trying to commit an 517 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: assassination and flee and never be caught again, you wouldn't 518 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: go to Pennsylvania. I Also, I mean, he's he because 519 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: of the political cause that he has attached himself to 520 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: very clearly, and that he acted on you know, Clay, 521 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: this isn't like a school shooter situation. I do think 522 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: every I mean meaning, I think everyone's gonna say this 523 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: guy's name all No, he's going to be famous. This 524 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: is going to happen, which is what he wanted. You 525 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: don't like, you don't go to an altune to p 526 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: a McDonald's. I mean, he's still going out to eat publicly, 527 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: he's you know, walking into He didn't go to the 528 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: drive through, he walked in. 529 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. This is a guy who 530 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: wanted to be caught. 531 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: He wanted his family recognized him surely, right. Wouldn't you 532 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 2: think that his mom and dad would have seen this photo, 533 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: brothers and sisters and said, uh, oh, that's that's this, 534 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: that's our brother, that's our sister. I mean, that's our son. 535 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: I mean, in other words, I'm surprised the name wasn't 536 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: out in advance. Wouldn't you think they would see that and. 537 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: Be and right, I'm not. I'm surprised that McDonald's did. 538 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: They might have because the situation like this, someone like 539 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: this on the run, you know, it's very possible that 540 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: that turns into a lethal force situation for law enforcement. 541 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy murdered somebody with a sponsor in 542 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: cold blood. If you get him backed into a corner, 543 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: you know, if you want him at least to be 544 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: taken alive and able to be processed through the justice system, 545 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: you know, you probably want to, even if you're a 546 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: family member, help this be done without you know, the 547 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: chance of there being a lethal force incident for him. 548 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm surmising, but yeah, I gotta say 549 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: I'm I'm actually I didn't really have a strong inclination 550 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: one way or the other about motive. I thought both were. 551 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: You know, there was the possibility that this was a 552 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: paid hitman. I will say some of the people who 553 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 2: said this guy it was planned but he wasn't a pro. 554 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: That was correct. 555 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: It was it was it was planned out well in advance, 556 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: but he was not a pro, meaning he's not somebody 557 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: with tactical training or proficiency. He really just sort of 558 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: did this as someone who tried to think through it 559 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: as a civilian. And again it's sad as well. Well, 560 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: you know, it's not hard to if you're gonna kill 561 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: somebody who's helpless, defenseless and doesn't know you're coming. 562 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: This is any of us are at risk. That's the 563 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: other part of this. It's not hard to do, which 564 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: is why it is such a heinous thing to. 565 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: Do, no doubt, and again, most of us would not 566 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: have any idea who this guy was. He's just walking 567 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: outside of a hotel at six forty five in the morning, 568 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: and this targeted assassination is planned. 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On Ammo, get yours at mantisx dot com. 588 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: That's m an tisx dot com. News and politics, but 589 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: also a little comic relief. 590 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. 591 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 592 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. 593 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 594 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: In closing up the Monday edition of the program, which 595 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: has been filled with a lot of breaking news. United 596 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO assassin it appears in police custody arrested in Altoona, PA. 597 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,479 Speaker 1: Daniel Penny. 598 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: Not guilty of the murder or negligent homicide is the 599 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: charge that ultimately I think was left standing in the 600 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 2: Jordan Neely case. We haven't even gotten into Buck. Donald 601 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 2: Trump did a Meet the Press interview, a lot of 602 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: information there. Also was in Paris interacting with a large 603 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: number of global leaders. That story is out there. I 604 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 2: want to get your take maybe tomorrow because I'm in Israel. 605 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: What is the impact of Syria having a new leader. 606 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: We'll talk about my trip to Israel in general. But 607 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: Daniel Pennybuck is out right now. He is in a 608 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 2: New York City bar. In the wake of the not 609 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 2: guilty verdict. He went out for a beer. The New 610 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: York Post went and found him in and his attorneys 611 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: in that bar. I haven't even heard this audio yet. 612 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: This has just happened New York Post with Daniel Penny 613 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: and his legal team in that New York City bar. 614 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: Here is what was said. 615 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: He's feeling good. He's feeling good, he's selling good. What's 616 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: up up together? How's it going? Haws? It feel feels great. 617 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: He's finally got the justice he deserved. Did you think 618 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,839 Speaker 1: it was gonna happen? Sorry, Uh no, we think that 619 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: this is uh we should have happened, probably on day one. 620 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: But the poortant thing is it happened, so uh. 621 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 4: We can't control the timing of it, but you can 622 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 4: certainly savor the outcome. 623 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: And why do you think it was not guilty? 624 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: That's so, that's. 625 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,959 Speaker 4: Well, he's not guilt doing a few different reasons because 626 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 4: his actions were justified. He was trying to help the 627 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 4: people on that train and he did. And number two, 628 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 4: he's not responsible for the death because the death was 629 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 4: caused by a lot of other factors that we tried 630 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: to present with a lot of clarity, such as the 631 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 4: K two abuse and the sickle cell, the sickling crisis, 632 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 4: and in carniacis hes not to mention the Arrannite schizophrenia, 633 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,439 Speaker 4: which only added to that impact from I'm just glad 634 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 4: that the jury was able to truly evaluate that it's 635 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 4: a potential clause of death and that Danny was justifying 636 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: the action said he told him. 637 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: Here, okay in a bar. I don't know that I've 638 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: ever seen that before. Buck, New York Post credit to 639 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: them getting the interview. Maybe is it ad in me? 640 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't like him being out in public immediately after 641 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: getting this jury verdict. 642 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: Buck. 643 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 2: If I were advising him, I would say get out 644 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: of New York City, get to a red state. I'm 645 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 2: sure he's been under immense stress with this trial, but 646 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 2: I don't want him to be a target like we 647 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 2: saw the United Healthcare CEO, of someone out there that 648 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 2: decides they want to act in an in an act 649 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: of vigilanteism to try to take. 650 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 1: Try to go after him. 651 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I pray for his safety as well, because the 652 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 2: justice system had its day, had its say, and Daniel 653 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: Penny Walks a freeman, and I. 654 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: Think it was absolutely the right decision. 655 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: Huge week, all ready for news. We'll be back with 656 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: you with more on all this tomorrow. Clay talking to 657 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: you about what he is seeing out there in Israel 658 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: along the border with Lebanon and Syria, and he's seeing 659 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: some really interesting stuff. 660 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: We've also got the fall of the House of. 661 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: Assad and some really interesting stuff from Trump on birthright citizenship. 662 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: We'll hit all that tomorrow.