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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion, that's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, when Luke's away, them cats will sit

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Speaker 2: here and play regardless. We back baby with a bang.

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Speaker 2: It's Morning Combat. Wednesday, August sixteenth, twenty twenty three, Hump

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Speaker 2: Day in the House in UFC two ninety two. On

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Speaker 2: the menu, I'm the beij Bass start, Brian Campbell, you're

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Speaker 2: just a regular in these parts, arguably with respect. Tomorrow Ronaldo,

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Speaker 2: my favorite Canadian right this side of Joni Mitchell. It's

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Speaker 2: the Elvis Costello of MMA, TSNs Aaron bronsteadter and hey,

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Speaker 2: bron you know I get fired up to do this

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Speaker 2: jam with you, my friend.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I can churn out the hits in MMA

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Speaker 3: for as long as Elvis Costello has in music, I

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Speaker 2: Like, like Elvis, your aim is true, Aaron in your back,

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Speaker 2: and we got a big show, Like I said, heavy Heavy,

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Speaker 2: Heavy on the UFC in Boston pay per view this

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Speaker 2: weekend Banhamweight Bonanza. We're gonna have reactions to you yesterday's

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Speaker 2: Canelo versus Jamel Charlow kickoff press conference to get you

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Speaker 2: fired up for September thirtieth. And how about the bringback

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Speaker 2: Aaron of an old school MK segment that you and

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait, and I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about Lucas Brendan is a vinyl guy?

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Speaker 2: What do you I mean?

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Speaker 3: Lucas has like over a thousand Vinyl records, So he

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Speaker 2: Well, somebody wake Lucas Brendan up you and I will

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Speaker 2: in our space for the schmo David Schmuelnsen and Helen

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Speaker 2: Hey Chewy, we're about to bang. But Aaron, your great

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Speaker 4: That's what is called content content Provider.

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Speaker 2: It is called best MMA programming.

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Speaker 2: Here we go segment topic one for your MK experience today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you knew it. It's UFC two ninety two. It's Banham

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Speaker 3: It's actually like I can see how you can believe

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Speaker 4: But if you saw it up.

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Speaker 4: It's like a here you go.

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Speaker 3: It's it's trying to focus, but it's it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: The main event bantam Weight Championship at Stake and really

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Speaker 2: a wake up call. John Anak had a wake up

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Speaker 2: call to a lot of us about what's really going

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Speaker 2: on here, the historical elements in what champion al Jamaine

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Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley. Nine consecutive wins on the streak for Sterling,

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Speaker 3: I think that if you disregard Dominic Cruz's WEC run,

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that he that definitely deserves his flowers.

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Speaker 3: You look at the record books at Bantaway and he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we do have to wake up to this,

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Speaker 2: So it's good to see him. People waking up to

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Beats O'Malley, dude, you are I mean that's

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Speaker 2: al Joe didn't get to fight Cruise. But he may

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Speaker 2: But before we break that down the ninety nine percent clause,

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Speaker 2: What would keep al Joe in this division in your opinion?

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Speaker 3: I think a loss to O'Malley would keep him the division.

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Speaker 3: why he says ninety nine percent. I think there's always

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed interesting. If he wins and moves on, you'd

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Speaker 3: I would think that you're going to see Morob versus

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think that element of it you can compare to

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Speaker 2: You have seen just such a great job of storytelling

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Speaker 2: But beating pdpodoor Yan shut everybody up regarding that right

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I mean I still think that a lot of

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Speaker 3: fight up, I do think that telling those parts of

433
00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,719
Speaker 3: the story would help humanize Sean O'Malley a little bit

434
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 3: more and allow people to kind of see that this

435
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 3: is a guy who has overcome a lot of obstacles.

436
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 3: Then you know, Aljamin talks a lot about how you

437
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 3: know he's getting this is kind of the Dana White

438
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 3: privileged sort of thing, and he's getting spoonfed a title fight.

439
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,800
Speaker 3: If you look at the start of Sean O'Malley's career

440
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,919
Speaker 3: to when he's getting this first title shot to the

441
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,439
Speaker 3: start of al Jamain's career where he really had to

442
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 3: earn that title shot, it's only like a difference of

443
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 3: a four hundred and fifty days or something along those lines.

444
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 3: It's not like a massive difference, like it's just a

445
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 3: year and a half kind of difference between when Sean

446
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,080
Speaker 3: O'Malley got his first title fight and Alja Gora his

447
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 3: first title fight. So Sean Omalley still has had to

448
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,760
Speaker 3: go through a lot in order to get this title shot.

449
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 3: It's not like he's you know, the Contender Series still

450
00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,640
Speaker 3: seems kind of like a new thing, but it's we're

451
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 3: in season seven right now, so I think that, and

452
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 3: we haven't had a lot of fighters from the Contender

453
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,359
Speaker 3: Series even get to the title level. We of course

454
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 3: have Jamal Hill who won the championship this year, the

455
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 3: first to do it from the Contender Series.

456
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,000
Speaker 4: Who've had Alex.

457
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 3: Perez, you know, Tyler Santos I believe was on the

458
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 3: Contender Series as well, So we don't have a lot

459
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 3: of fighters that have made it to the championship level

460
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 3: from Contender Series like O'Malley is doing. And that's why

461
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 3: it seems like a more recent thing. But it has

462
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 3: been a while that he's been in the UFC.

463
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's not forget Brendon Locknane as a champion

464
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 2: who's come out of that Contenders here. Fair enough, there

465
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,919
Speaker 2: you go right there quickly, Aaron, about the setup. Do

466
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 2: you think this is strategic to use Boston for UFC

467
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: O'Malley with an Irish last name. This is the same

468
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 2: arena where Connor McGregor will folly beat Max Holloway, but

469
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: same one he had that breakthrough moment against Dennis Seaver

470
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: jumping the cage, accosting in the crowd. I know you've

471
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 2: got another Irish sensation and Ian mitchat o Gary who

472
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 2: could have his own moment. But does it feel like

473
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: this is strategic by the company.

474
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 4: Here, I don't think so.

475
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that they made it line

476
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: up specifically, but I do think that they needed a

477
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 3: title fight for this card, and that's why soon after

478
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 3: al Jo got the win in Newark that they probably

479
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 3: just wanted to make sure that they were able to

480
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 3: get a good title fight on this card. And of

481
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 3: course they also have Jonggwae Lee against Lamos, which we'll

482
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 3: talk about. But I think that it might be coincidental.

483
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like you said, Irish last name,

484
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 3: he's not really. He's from Montana now living in Arizona.

485
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 3: Sounds like he's a regional star of any sort. But

486
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 3: I do think that he's going to have the fan support.

487
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: Then again, Henry Sujudo had the fans support against Aljo,

488
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: who's fighting, you know, just across the bridge in New

489
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: Jersey where he's from Long Island. He was getting booed

490
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: more than that than Henry Suhudo was. So I don't

491
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 3: really think it matters where you're putting al Jo, sort

492
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 3: of putting the fight in New York proper or Long Island.

493
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 3: It seems like he's going to be the heel regardless

494
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: of the circumstances.

495
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: All right, eron enough of the promotional side of it.

496
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: The fight itself, al Joe a solid but small underdog

497
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: in some ways expected. What's the biggest question that needs

498
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 2: to be answered by both fighters in this fight Saturday Night?

499
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think the big question for O'Malley is what's

500
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 3: his grappling? Like, you know, how's he going to deal

501
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 3: with a guy who's going to be consistently trying to

502
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: take him down and try to submit him. I mean,

503
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: I think that his grappling is underrated John O'Malley, Like,

504
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 3: if you go and watch him compete in straight grappling,

505
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 3: he's really really slippery, very very creative. He's a creative

506
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 3: guy in general when it comes to all elements of

507
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: the sport, when it comes to the striking, it comes

508
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 3: to what he does on the ground, I think that

509
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: he is a very very tricky out for Aljamaine Sterling.

510
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: But I mean this also has the potential to be

511
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 3: a bit of a squash. If al Jamine Sterling is

512
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: able to impose his will with the wrestling, is able

513
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 3: to get O'Malley down, I think that he is a

514
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: level above O'Malley there. But the big question I think

515
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 3: for al Jamin is for as long as this fight

516
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: is on the feet, is he going to be able

517
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: to hang with O'Malley and O'Malley's creativity and O'Malley's ability

518
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 3: to string together combos and hit you hard. That's the

519
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: big question. So, I mean, it's a stylistic matchup. It's

520
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 3: it's mostly I would say a striker versus grappler matchup,

521
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: but just so much as in MMA, those are their strength,

522
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: Like it's not like a straight grappler versus straight striker,

523
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 3: but those happen to be like the strongest skills of

524
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: both of their games. I think that that's really what

525
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: the big question is like, how are each of them

526
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: going to negate the overwhelming strengths of the other one

527
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: that would be their biggest and clearest path to victory.

528
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Algae with the one that's.

529
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: Just mma right, Like, I'm not saying anything that's scholarly here.

530
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 3: I think that that's a very obvious thing that I

531
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 3: just said, But I do think that those are the

532
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: big questions.

533
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 4: Really is like.

534
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: Can O'Malley hang with him in the grappling and can

535
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 3: Aljamaine hang with O'Malley and the striking, because it seems

536
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: like they both improved a lot in those areas.

537
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: So it seems like the former is probably the question

538
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: on most people's minds because if you look at this

539
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: matchup and you are critical about O'Malley, and it would

540
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: be again fair to be not just the hiccups and

541
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: the interruptions on his path to the title, not just

542
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: the aura of anytime somebody comes in with a big

543
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: personality and a following, they can sometimes get rushed to

544
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: the top. But he's not a complete fighter. Now, his

545
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: takedown defense may be better than you're saying, or grappling

546
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 2: maybe better than we think, but the former is the

547
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: biggest question to answer because we saw what al Jo

548
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: can do to Corey Sanhagan like that, just to you know,

549
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: less than ninety seconds into it. But I am more

550
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: intrigued though, by that other question, by the latter half

551
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 2: of it, of what if O'Malley's takedown defense has leveled

552
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 2: up in a big way? What if the terms of

553
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: this fight are fought more on a level of O'Malley's

554
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 2: side than al Jo. Are we sleeping on the evolution

555
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: of al joe striking game? Are we talking about that enough?

556
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: When you look at it, Aljo's only gonna have a

557
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: one inch reach advantage as O'Malley comes in four inches

558
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: taller in this matchup, Aaron, if a crystal ball told

559
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: you that the ground game would not be the factor

560
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: people think it would, how much would that affect the

561
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: odds in your mind heading into this one?

562
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 3: Like if it was a straight striking match, Like if

563
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: we knew that there was not going to be any

564
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 3: sort of grappling involved.

565
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: If you knew O'Malley could could could make the not

566
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: cancel out the grappling, but diminish it is Algoe in

567
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: trouble is the real question?

568
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'd say he's in trouble, I

569
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 3: think that Aljaman can hang with him on the feet.

570
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: I just think that O'Malley has a pretty market advantage there.

571
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 3: They're actually kind of similar in terms of volume. Like,

572
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: I mean, O'Malley's got really in terms of volume with bantamweight,

573
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: Like he's got a pretty enormous lead in terms of

574
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 3: the strike differential, But Alzjeman's up there too, Like Aljaman

575
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: has a pretty solid strike differential against his opponents as well.

576
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 4: Both good volume guys.

577
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: We saw what happened when Aljamin tried to gas pedal

578
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: kyotr Yan and put out way too much. I would

579
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 3: put he got very tired quickly. I feel like we

580
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: don't really know what a five round sewn O'Malley's gonna

581
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: look like either, Right, So that's kind of the intrigue

582
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: for me here too, is like does the you need

583
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: to kind of dip a little bit force on O'Malley

584
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: to go five rounds? Or is this car are you

585
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: gonna be able to allow him to hang five browns?

586
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: No problem? I think that that's a question that we

587
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: still are yet to unlock the answer to.

588
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, to back up, the points John was making John

589
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: anick about how underrated Al Joe still is, and it's

590
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: definitely fair. I mean, I think I think I've picked

591
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: against him Aaron seriously in every single fight up to

592
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: this point. Sometimes you get in, right, I got like

593
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: that with Max Holloway for a while and on his run,

594
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: and so he fully made me the second knockout of

595
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: Aldough of oh yeah, Josie Aldo was like, you know

596
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: if you if if you were still holding out, you're

597
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: just a hater. At that point I woke up to it.

598
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: But I have been behind the ball, like what what

599
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 2: do you what would you say as an answer to

600
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: what is the biggest thing people have missed about All

601
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: Joe on this journey?

602
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 4: Well, I think people have just underrated him as a whole.

603
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: Like I mean, that second Pio to be On fight

604
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: I think was a big eye opener because he was

605
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: a solid underdog in that fight, and I think rightfully so,

606
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: because the first fight he was losing until he wasn't.

607
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 3: So I think that a lot of people have just

608
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: tried really hard to diminish the skills of Aljamain Sterling

609
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: and overlook them.

610
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: But I feel like every time that's done.

611
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: Aljamaine rises to the occasion, and I think that, you know,

612
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: the people that are going to be picking against him

613
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: this time around, I understand why. But at the same time,

614
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: I think we do need to give this guy his

615
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: credit for how long he's hung around. For his having

616
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: a nine fight win streak in the perhaps the toughest

617
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: division in the sport is certainly no joke. So you know,

618
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: we have to give the guy the kind of credit that.

619
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: He deserves, and.

620
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: I believe he should be favored to the amount that

621
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: he has favored right now against O'Malley. But at the

622
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: same time, if you're looking for value, you know O'Malley's

623
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: another guy that's also risen to the occasion.

624
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 4: That's one as an underdog.

625
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: You saw him against Pyotryon do exactly the same thing

626
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: and rise to the occasion. So you know, I'm kind

627
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: of eager to see which of these guys is able

628
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: to get it done for that reason, because I think

629
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: that they both kind of have been maligned in sort

630
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: of the same way.

631
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I had to answer the question I

632
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: asked you, I think I didn't realize how good and

633
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: how smart of a striker aljo is in how he's

634
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: become that. You know, it's a credit to him and

635
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: his great team with Ray Longo. The evolution. I was

636
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: behind on that, but it's that, but it's mixed with

637
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: sort of that championship understanding, a mixture of poison, IQ

638
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: like al jo has. The people hate when I just

639
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: bring up the intangibles right because they think it's a

640
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: lazy sort of reach. But Aaron competition wise, the talent

641
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: level is so close at the top that a lot

642
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: of times it does coming down to some of those

643
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: key intangibles, and the championship medal of al Joe is cemented,

644
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 2: it's proven we know how smart, how ready this guy is.

645
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: Do you think O'Malley has it in those same areas?

646
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: I do.

647
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Speaker 3: I think that O'Malley has become underrated as a result

648
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: of the whole persona and him calling for championship fights

649
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: and being this kind of bombastic person now I seem

650
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: to always have it. I feel like it was the

651
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: same way with McGregor at the time when he was

652
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 3: running through everybody, he almost became underrated because people were

653
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: trying to find all of these different holes and talking

654
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: about how brash they were and focusing on the persona

655
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: rather than the skills, and I think that the Shawnamalley

656
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: has done a good job of kind of diverting that.

657
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: Like I think the amount of stuff you see outside

658
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: of the cage from him that's actually fight related of

659
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: him training and all of that, Like, I think that

660
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: they kind of keep that close to the best. They

661
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: don't want people to really know just how good he

662
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: is until the night of the fight, and I think

663
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: that's by design. So we'll see how much that rings

664
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: through on Saturday. But I think that the skills of

665
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: al Jamyn have certainly improved. In fact, you mentioned Ray Longo,

666
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: and I don't think people are talking enough about him

667
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 3: because if al Jo wins on Saturday, I think Ray

668
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: Longo is the coach of the year. If you look

669
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: at how many fighters have come out of the Sarah

670
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: A Longo camp. We saw yesterday on Contender series their

671
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: fighter against Camera Smotherman, an underdog comes in and gets

672
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: a massive first round win. You've seen Matt Travola beat

673
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Drew Dover and he's become a ranked lightweight this year.

674
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: Mirab Duale is really the way that he dominated pyotr Rian.

675
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: Like I think that if he gets a win on

676
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: saturd you have to say that Ray long was the

677
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: coach of the Year of twenty twenty three, and I

678
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: don't I don't know who could could knock him off

679
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: that perch.

680
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: It's Alja Chris wins on Saturday.

681
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 2: Does Chris Widman need to win to cement this this weekend?

682
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: Aaron?

683
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: Is that the truth? Or just does he need to

684
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 2: walk out in his own power?

685
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: Well, most of Widman most of Wideman's training has happened

686
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: in like North in like the Carolina's North and South Carolina.

687
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's one of territory.

688
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: He hasn't been as embedded with Sarah Alongo.

689
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: I think that he did go to New York contain

690
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: with them for a bit during this camp. But I mean,

691
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: what a story that would be if Chris Widman ends

692
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 3: up getting a win after that kind of a layoffs injury.

693
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Speaker 4: It would be pretty incredible.

694
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: We'll certainly get to that. Ray Longo also arguably delivered

695
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: the greatest interview in MK's Room Service Diaries two point

696
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: zero acclaimed series Aaron. Back when we were regularly in

697
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 2: the studio and speaking of old Ray, he caught up

698
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: with Shaquille Missouri of CBS Sports. You love him in

699
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: the MK family. He'll be back later this week. But

700
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: Ray talking about al Joe Stride and evolution, coming back

701
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: from those losses way back and how he's rebounded. Let's

702
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: hear from the coach right now.

703
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: The way he came back from that loss to Mala Moray's.

704
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 5: I think that's when I said, you know what, man,

705
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 5: this kid's got something because a lot of people could

706
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: have folded, They could have never been the same. He

707
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 5: got better, He got better, and he had to desire

708
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: to get better. And the way he bounced back, you know,

709
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 5: after the Yon thing was another thing that you know,

710
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 5: we had a great conversation about the first fight and

711
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 5: he promised me the second fight things would be different,

712
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 5: and he held.

713
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: To his words.

714
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 5: So the first thing was after the Morays fight and

715
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 5: after how he bounced back from all the negativity for

716
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 5: a year because I had to take it too, but

717
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 5: I'm not the fight. You know, he had it ten

718
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 5: times harder than me. But you know the way he

719
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: bounced back and beat Yon and then beat Dilla Show,

720
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 5: then beats the Hudo. I mean, after that fight, I

721
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 5: think I really go this kid is in a stride now,

722
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: this is the worst time to fight him.

723
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: That's what I personally believe.

724
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: And that tk O lost to Marish did start this

725
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: current nine fight streak. Also, you can watch, by the way,

726
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: all of Shak's great interviews in full length on the

727
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: Shaq MMA YouTube channel. But one more from Coach Ray

728
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: about what we talked about that possibility the ninety nine

729
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: percent is al Joe staying or going? What about Morob?

730
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: I always love hearing from the coach himself. He had

731
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: some great quotes when we sat down with him a

732
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: few months back on the RSD. Here's Coach Longo about

733
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: keeping that chemistry alive there and making the decision.

734
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: Moving forward, especially if he wins, which he will.

735
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: I think he's moving up. I don't know that for

736
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 5: sure though, but I really don't. But I think he's

737
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 5: got such a great relationship, I mean with Morob. He

738
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: really wants to see Morob fight for that title. I mean,

739
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 5: this is these are things. These are things you kind

740
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 5: of can't teach people, you know, but you could surround

741
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: him by other like minded people to where it becomes

742
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 5: a natural thing.

743
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: I think.

744
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 5: But uh, I love it, man, I don't know If

745
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 5: he does that, that would be a really what's the

746
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: word on look?

747
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: A selflessness act that you could.

748
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 4: Have and I think of another example of it.

749
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think I think the likelihooded AD is

750
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 5: really really.

751
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: Up there.

752
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: Now, Aaron. You know, I always like to ask that

753
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: Devil's Advocate critical question of is DC really the greatest

754
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: friend of all time? Or did he just know better

755
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: through the multiple Matt sessions with raising Kine that it

756
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: would not have gone his way? I think I do

757
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: echo long ago. This seems to be a very solid

758
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: brotherly move from Al Joe.

759
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. But I also think that

760
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: we have to remember when you get older in your career,

761
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 3: moving up in weight classes is never a bad idea,

762
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: like unless it's you know, one of those kind of

763
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: lastest things to hang on, like I like Luke rock

764
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: Hole and Wideman moving up to light heavyweight. Like I

765
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: feel like as you get older in the fight game,

766
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: the things that start to go are the reflexes, the speed.

767
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna be the nationally faster fighter up

768
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: aweight class like John Jones moving up to heavyweight for example,

769
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 3: you know we've seen Anthony Smith move up to light heavyweight. Like,

770
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: I think that a move to featherweight right now at

771
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: age thirty four for Al Joe is the perfect time

772
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: for him to go up, and especially with there being

773
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 3: so few new contenders being built up at featherweight. I mean,

774
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: you've got your Iliati, you got your mos Ivloyevs, they're

775
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: being built up. But we've seen Volkonovsky beat so many

776
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: of those opponents at featherweight that him going up to featherweight,

777
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: maybe taking one non title fight first, and then if

778
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: he wins that against maybe a mosar Ivloyev would be

779
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: a good opponent for him, a guy who's a really

780
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: solid wrestler.

781
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: Like Al Joe is.

782
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: Maybe that would be a good test for him to

783
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: see if he's ready to challenge for the title. But

784
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's all I would take.

785
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: I think if he does win, if you're the defending

786
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: champion and the deepest division in the sport and you're

787
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: moving up, there's a super fight waiting to happen. They

788
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: just did that with Volkanovsky and Mahachev and maybe the

789
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: fight of the year, and who knows, we may get

790
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: it another time. I feel like with a win, though,

791
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: we gotta see al Jo versus Vulcan. We gotta, we gotta.

792
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Tapori is knocking on that door,

793
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: but dude, that if we have Aljoe with ten straight

794
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: wins over all those legends in a row, yeah, let's

795
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: do it. Let's find out if al Jo could be

796
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: the pomp for palm Best, right.

797
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you have a two longest ragning champions

798
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: of the UFC right now, and you put them against

799
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: each other.

800
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 4: I think that's that kind of rights itself.

801
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: And you know, he would have a year to try

802
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: to get in there before Luke Thomas's favorite stat knocks

803
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: on his door, right the thirty five and over the

804
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: welterweight and understat man does that guy like.

805
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: Playing like, what's what's the expiration date here?

806
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 4: When he's no longer eligible to win the championship. He's

807
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: he's thirty five.

808
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: He is his birthday the thirty fifth birthday would be

809
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: next July thirty first, So he's a young thirty four

810
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: at the moment right there. But you know, much speech,

811
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: it's hard if you're Dexy's Midnight Runners or Dell Lemitrie

812
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: Aaron and you only have that one hit and every

813
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: time you're playing the County Fairgrounds, people are like, hey,

814
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: if you just want to play that one song over

815
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: and over and over again, we'd love that. I mean,

816
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: Luke needs another stat he can go do right?

817
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that I mean, hey, this, that is a

818
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: great stat. I don't mind him going through it all

819
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: the time. It's a great stats.

820
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: The first very relevant is that no, indeed love you

821
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: love some Luke to close here, you could argue Aaron

822
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: that you're only as good though, as your sparring partners. Now,

823
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: we did see aljaminer sterling sparring with Juicy Ja trying

824
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: to erosa his way into imitating one Sean O'Malley. But

825
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: you caught a video this morning of al Jo doing

826
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: a YouTube Q and a on his channel with fans

827
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: talking about sparring partners. You just may determine whether I

828
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 2: pick him or not. Let's listen.

829
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 6: In the way I've been training, I think that guy

830
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 6: shows up and I'd get him down early like I

831
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 6: do in these sparring sessions. Good luck, I've been sparing

832
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 6: yarn with the Boss Rob Brothers. I was born with

833
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 6: Julian and Rosa Armando. Get you, Dylan Montello Brian, Brian,

834
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 6: Charlie Campbell, a lot of good high level guys.

835
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 7: Man.

836
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 6: So you guys, I truly do think you guys are

837
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 6: in for a great show.

838
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: Right, look at that ered right on the top of

839
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: the dome. I was fresh on his mind, baby, right.

840
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if he's training with the great Brian Campbell,

841
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: I mean I think that the slam dunk that he

842
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: wins on Saturday, the amount of the amount of the

843
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: amount of fight knowledge that he's gonna just gain through

844
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: osmosis of being in the room with you.

845
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that there was a very wise

846
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: choice that I'm to twain with YOUBC.

847
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 2: Forget thirty five. If he actually trained with me, he'd

848
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: feel forty five instantly, because that's now what I am there,

849
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: but a great main event. Can't wait to see if

850
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: O'Malley does win, though, and let's say he stopped him.

851
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: We've been waiting for the next, the next person to

852
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: rise and become that pay per view draw.

853
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Right.

854
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: We an't know who knows about Connor? Right, Who the

855
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: frick knows? Only Ashnovitchky if you want answers. But you

856
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: think O'Malley takes off, I mean he gets a stoppage win,

857
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: does he take off and become I mean, in some

858
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: ways a monster face of this promotion.

859
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like if that's the bar like monster face of

860
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: this promotion, then yeah. I mean in terms of becoming

861
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: a transcendent star, that's always the holy.

862
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 4: Grail of mixed martial artists.

863
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: But we've only seen like three or four fighters do

864
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: it since the inception of the UFC thirty years ago, right, Like,

865
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: it's not an easy thing to do to break through

866
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: that way. But I think that he's undoubtedly going to

867
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: be one of the faces of the company. He might

868
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: already be one of the faces of the company, but

869
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: if he wins and he finishes al Jamaine Sterling, I mean,

870
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: sky's the limit in the UFC will have their next star.

871
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: I think O'Malley's still on his twenties if I'm not mistaken,

872
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: So you know, I just think that they would be

873
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: thrilled with that result from a marketing standpoint and promotional standpoint.

874
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: But of course the fights aren't scripted, so we got

875
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: to see how it plays out. But I mean, if

876
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: Sean Out even hangs tough with al Jo and it's

877
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: like a close decision, you can still put Seanamalley in

878
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: a fight with like Morob or san Hagen or something

879
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: along those lines for the vacant title. I think that

880
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: we need to see how he performs on Saturday Night.

881
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Very true of the twenty eight year old o'melly, this

882
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: is the time we're gonna find out for real Saturday Night.

883
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait for it. Everyone talking about this main

884
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: event erin I don't know nobody talking about this cole

885
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: main event. So it's gonna be my favorite Division one

886
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: one five And even though defending champion here jeangwe Lee,

887
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: who's beginning the first defense of her second reign on top,

888
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: has only been gone nine months since her last win.

889
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 2: To me, it's felt like nothing's been happening in this division.

890
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: Carlo Sparza out with pregnancy, Rose moving up to one

891
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: twenty five. Yes, we've seen wins both over andrage to

892
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: risers like Jan Shau Nan and now Tachian Suarez, but

893
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 2: the division has been stuck a little bit. I did

894
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: think the naming of Amando Lamos was interesting for the

895
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: next shot thirty six years, as when two in a

896
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: row sent's being submitted by the aforementioned Androge does bring

897
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: in big power, Aaron low buzz for this one if

898
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: you had a counter that, why should people be fired

899
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: up for this fight Saturday night?

900
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be the most under the radar title

901
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: fight that I can remember in a long time. Like,

902
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 3: I have a lot of trouble coming up with something

903
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: where this. People aren't talking about this fight at all,

904
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: Like I haven't heard any buzz about it. I have

905
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: barely seen any interviews. Because neither of them speak English

906
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: as a first language. You're not seeing them do the

907
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: kind of press that you would do to promote a

908
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: title fight, so you know, you know, And I don't

909
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: think that takes anything away from the fight itself, because

910
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: Amandalaimo's hits hard and Jean ve Lee hits hard right,

911
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: So like, I think that we can still see a

912
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: very interesting fight here. And now the question to me is, like,

913
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: how good is the grappling of Amandaleimos.

914
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 4: We haven't really seen it.

915
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 3: We saw that Androge was able to lock her up

916
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: in that standing arm triangle that put her out, which

917
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: was one of the kind of cooler submission wins that

918
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: we've seen, and it wasn't that long ago that happened.

919
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: But like, you mentioned the division had kind of stagnated

920
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 3: for a little while and now is starting to pick

921
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: up again. It was a bit of a surprise to

922
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: hear Leaimos announced as the opponent so shortly after Yan

923
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 3: chou Nan had that big win. So I think that

924
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to see what happens next in terms

925
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 3: of Chaunan Suarez, whether they face each other to determine

926
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: the next title challenger. But I do still think this

927
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 3: is an intriguing fight for the reason that Amanda l

928
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: amsh can crack. She has more knockdowns than I think

929
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 3: anybody in Strawway history, highest knockdown rate. She brings power

930
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: to the cage and if you can if you can

931
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: hit Jean Bailey, we saw Rose put her out with

932
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: that head kick, It's an interesting fight to me, I

933
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: think from an exit and no standpoint, I'm intrigued by

934
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: the fight itself, but I just feel like there's been

935
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: such little buzz surrounding it.

936
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: No indeed, and and I and I don't it's interesting.

937
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 2: I thought they would they should do Sean On next,

938
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: but I do realize it takes time to bring a

939
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: fight to China between two Chinese born fighters, and with

940
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: Waley being off that long, they wanted to get back

941
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: and get her back in. You're right, it's probably going

942
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: to be more excited and we realize coming in on

943
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: the UFC rankings page, they hold Alexa Grosso as the

944
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: current number one pomp for pound female fighter. Aaron on

945
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: my own top five for CBS Sports, I currently have

946
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: Jonggwai Lee. Though, where do you stand on sort of

947
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: the female pomp for pound run at the moment with

948
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: Amanda Nuna stepping away from the.

949
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: Sport, I still think it's Chevchenko.

950
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean, like one loss does not a career make right,

951
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: Like if you look at the body of work, like

952
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: if you were to say, well, look at the odds.

953
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: I mean, Chevchenko is like a minus two fifty favorite.

954
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: It was something along those lines against Grosso in the rematch.

955
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: So I don't know, Like what what does panther pound

956
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: even mean?

957
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 8: Is that?

958
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: Like you beat the pander pound person, so now you're

959
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: the best pound for pounds. It didn't happen with some

960
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: times and in Bolkanovski, right, So I don't know. I

961
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: mean I would still say this chef Chenko is probably

962
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: still the best female fighter in the UFC. That's not

963
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: retired with with Nuna's leading, right, so even though she's

964
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: not the champion, which is what would make it weird

965
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: to vote for her. But at the same time, like

966
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: I can't think of that, that's how I would.

967
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: I got a color on that. I think there's a

968
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: major difference here between the Volkanovsky situation. One that was

969
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: outside of his division and a dare to be great too.

970
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: You could argue he won it, and three there's no

971
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: argument Chef Tenko got finished, she got submitted. So in

972
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: that regard, I do get what you're saying. On the

973
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: on the body of work does hold up very well,

974
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: and obviously the odds makers believing it was more fluky.

975
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: But I think I always say this, I think a

976
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: lot of people misinterpret pouf pound. I think too many

977
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: people dismiss it. To me, it's the true currency if

978
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: in the moment right now, who's the best right now?

979
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: Your resume gets you to the table in a lot

980
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: of ways, but it's who's the best right now. I

981
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: think there's a vote out there for way Lee. So

982
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: let's talk about this reinvention. Two losses to Rose Namayunis

983
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: knocks out. You want to spectacularly in the rematch. But Aaron,

984
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: the way she took the title from Mars Sparza, I

985
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: mean it showed you that there's been a turn. I

986
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: mean you can go back to the second Rose loss

987
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: to be fair, a close decision loss that there were

988
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: some that liked way Lee in the end, all that

989
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: I think Rose did deserve it due to the evolution

990
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: of the wrestling there that we saw even in that

991
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: in that conversion from one fight, this first Rose fight

992
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: to the second, we saw how much better you, uh,

993
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: way Lee can be with it because she works so

994
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: hard and constantly evolves. But two wins after that and

995
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: the destruction of Asparza, she's better than she ever was.

996
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: And I don't even think we know how good she

997
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: actually is. Aaron.

998
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, she continues to get better and better with each fight.

999
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 3: But again, if you're talking about pant for pound, like,

1000
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: why isn't Rose ranked ahead of Joan Vailey Because she

1001
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: lost to Esparza in the most uneventful fight in history

1002
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: and when basically nothing happens. He has two wins over

1003
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: Zong Bailey, So what why wouldn't she be ranked in

1004
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: the pound for pound ahead of Jong Bailey?

1005
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 4: Just because.

1006
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 8: Two.

1007
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: And I think if I'm gonna stand true to what

1008
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: I say that it's more of a snapshot of the moment.

1009
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: You can't put out the performance rose it against Esparza

1010
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: and not not there has to be a receipt for

1011
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: that right in the public consciousness. So to me, that's

1012
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: where I penalize her for that performance. Yeah, so the

1013
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: whole point is just to say this, Whaley's great, and

1014
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: she's only getting better in her mid thirties. By the way,

1015
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: she is a favorite against Leimos, but it is not

1016
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: by a ton aaron. So let's hit that our friends

1017
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: over here at Caesar's minus two fifty La plus two

1018
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: fifty Lamos minus three twenty. So you could say, oh,

1019
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: three to one favorite, that's pretty big. But there seems

1020
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: to be a respect within those odds that if we're

1021
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: as good as I'm telling you Whaley is. Hey, we

1022
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: saw her get head kicked in kod Their respect in

1023
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: Lemos's power decently here in the way they're setting this up.

1024
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they're not boxing odds, but there they're

1025
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 3: still She's still a pretty big favorite in terms of

1026
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 3: championship level UFC you know fights. But at the same time.

1027
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: I still think that that's exactly it is, like she

1028
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: has that great equalizer with the power does a Mandalaimos.

1029
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: But how old is Mandlimos is? Over thirty five? I

1030
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: think so maybe there's six.

1031
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe the odds to continue going the other

1032
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: way towards Waylee, who was not yet thirty five.

1033
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: Based on this, looks that Golden's side to females to Aaron,

1034
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: I would imagine.

1035
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 3: So, I mean, how will did Chefchenko? Did chef Chenko

1036
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: lose before she turned thirty five?

1037
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: I think she's thirty four, Okay?

1038
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 3: And Nules I think was thirty four when she lost

1039
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: the pain of So I'm not sure how many women

1040
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: over thirty five have competed. I mean as far as

1041
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: I might have been thirty five when she beat Rose

1042
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: for the championships. I'm not one hundred percent shurt either way,

1043
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 3: but I think it still does apply well.

1044
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: Wayley.

1045
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: She applied to certain weight classes, That's what it was, right.

1046
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 2: Like it sure? Yeah that well, it was welter wait.

1047
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 4: Because they were part of that stat.

1048
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was welter waiting under on the men's side,

1049
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: but obviously that would encomper the entire female division. Roster setup.

1050
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: Whaley turned thirty four, by the way, three days ago,

1051
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: so happy birthday out to her. Let's see what we

1052
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: got this weekend from a strategy standpoint, Uh, how do

1053
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: you think Whaley's gonna address? How should she address this?

1054
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Knowing the danger? I mean, you gotta take this to

1055
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 2: the ground.

1056
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: You gotta go to the Corey Sanhagen route, path of

1057
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: least resistance. I agree with you one hundred percent because

1058
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: if this is on the ground, we haven't seen much

1059
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: from Lamos there and we know how dominant Whaley can

1060
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: be from top. So I think that that's probably the

1061
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: way you do it, and you try to find a submission.

1062
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: I don't think that you try to gunsling with.

1063
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 4: Lameo's.

1064
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,479
Speaker 3: You don't go to the OK corral with her, because

1065
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: that's her best path to victory. So if you want

1066
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: to retain the championship and you want all of the

1067
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: perks that come with being a champion, I think you

1068
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: take the path at least resistance.

1069
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: Limos comes in rank number five, but she did stop

1070
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: Michelle Waterson and then the Marina Hadrigez stoppage was sort

1071
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 2: of a reminder wake up call that she's here, and uh,

1072
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out if she can upset. I mean, look,

1073
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: there's been some wild upsets man over the past eighteen

1074
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: months where I now don't doubt anything, but I do

1075
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: feel firmly solid here that this is going to be

1076
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: a survive in advance for Jong Way Lee, who just

1077
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: has more trade. I mean, she's a tank in there,

1078
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 2: and she's so game right to come back from that

1079
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 2: head kicked the way she did, even though she lost

1080
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: that next fight, but to just constantly be evolving. I

1081
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: think we're watching a special fighter who, like I said,

1082
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: still in the midst of her prime right now and

1083
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 2: not young, but but is putting all the pieces together.

1084
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to this even though there ain't

1085
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: no there ain't no buzz erin there ain't nothing nothing nothing. Indeed,

1086
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: all right, let's talk about buzz here. We're talking about

1087
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: Ian Machado. Gary, the twenty five year old irishman, thought

1088
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: he was facing Jeff Neil, but hey, not a bad

1089
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: replacement when you're gonna get Neil Magni for what he

1090
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: represents to this welterweight division as a true elite gamekeeper

1091
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 2: and litmus test Aaron. The question is this is Gary

1092
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: ready for this type of challenge.

1093
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: I think he is.

1094
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 3: I mean, he wrote to the occasion in his last

1095
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 3: fight and really did a number on Daniel Rodriguez, and

1096
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: I think that with a short notice Neil Magni, I

1097
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: understand why Gary is a favorite. Now should he be

1098
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: this big of a favorite against the guy is well

1099
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: rounded as game as Neil Magni. That's where it starts

1100
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: to get a little bit tricky, because Neil Magni is

1101
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 3: so well rounded, so skilled, and also has skills that

1102
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: can test areas of Ian Gary's game that we haven't

1103
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: really seen tested that much, such as the grappling, how

1104
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: he deals with fighting at range for a longer period

1105
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: of time.

1106
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: There's so many.

1107
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: Different tricks and savvy veteran moves that Neil magne is

1108
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: going to bring to the table and makes it such

1109
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: an intriguing fight for Ian Gary. I think Jeff Neil

1110
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: would have been a tougher challenge for him. Sure, I

1111
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 3: think that would have been a stiffer test, But I

1112
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: don't danger Jeff Neil as well rounds as Neil Magnet.

1113
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: No, you're right in the ko danger there of what Neil,

1114
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: who looks to be rejuvenated from his own setbacks and

1115
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: backing great form, but the changeing opponent, you're still going

1116
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: to get that tough test. But it's a minus four

1117
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: ninety favorite for Gary against the short turnaround Magni at

1118
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: plus three point seventy, who just won against Phil Roe

1119
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: back in June. I mean, Magne will always sort of

1120
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 2: juggle wins and losses. We'll surprise people when you count

1121
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: them out. He'll be tough in there. But are we

1122
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: going to be if sel O'Malley wins. Yeah, he's the

1123
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: next big star and he steals the headlines. But I

1124
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: think there's potential here that Ian Gary could get a

1125
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: ton of headlines with another breakthrough performance. I thought that

1126
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: d Rod fight was gonna be tough for him, and

1127
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: then he had one of the those viral moments, one

1128
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: of those Oh shit, man, this this guy's freaking legit.

1129
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, Aaron, I'm starting to believe the aura

1130
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: that comes off of him. At first, it was sort

1131
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: of like, oh, you're doing Connor dances?

1132
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 8: What are you doing?

1133
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: Are you that guy? For as much as what we

1134
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: don't know about his game over the long form, you know,

1135
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: going the distance against a very quality opponent, being being

1136
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: in a fight where it's not on his terms and

1137
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: having to make adjustments. That aura speaking to me a bit,

1138
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: we may have something. We may have something here, Aaron,

1139
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: we may really.

1140
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 3: I'm admittedly blinded by the aura of Ian Gary or

1141
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: Ian Machadogary rather like I haven't spoken to him yet

1142
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: this week.

1143
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm interviewing him tomorrow.

1144
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: So if you were to ask me on like Friday

1145
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 3: about this fight, I bet you my perspectable of changed,

1146
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: because nobody speaks with the kind of confidence that Ian

1147
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 3: Machado Gary does. Like when you speak to him, you

1148
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: he kind of like permeates your mind with the fact

1149
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: that you just at the end of the interview think

1150
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 3: to yourself like there's just no way this guy can lose.

1151
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: He has that factor like Connor.

1152
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: Kind of had that as well on in his career,

1153
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: where he spoke with such conviction about what he was

1154
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 3: going to do, about how he was going to make

1155
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 3: these things happen and manifest his destiny. And Ian Gary

1156
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: has that same aura about him where when you sit

1157
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: down and talk to him or you're you're standing next

1158
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: to him and you're looking into his eyes, he looks

1159
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: into your eyes with a conviction that you seldom see

1160
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: from fighters. Now, none of that really matters when it

1161
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: actually comes time to get into the cage and face

1162
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 3: a guy has skilled as Neil Magnet, where he's gonna

1163
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: throw a variety of different attacks at you. But I

1164
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: do think that even though he does speak with that

1165
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: kind of conviction, he does also have a strong self

1166
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: awareness about him. Like when I spoke to him after

1167
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: his win over Song Kanan, he knew exactly what he

1168
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: had done wrong. He knew where he had messed up,

1169
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: like the moment that had happened, and was able to

1170
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: immediately kind of bounce back from it and win that fight.

1171
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: But like his awareness, you know, self awareness in that

1172
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: moment of like I did this wrong, like you know,

1173
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: dial back in and go and beat this guy. Like

1174
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: he has a lot of these intangibles that I think

1175
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: the greats have now whether or not he has the

1176
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 3: skills to back it up. I think Saturday is gonna

1177
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 3: answer a lot of those questions because against d Rod,

1178
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 3: I think that his path to victory was a little

1179
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: bit more pronounced. Against Neil Magni, he's a very very

1180
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: difficult puzzle to solve, especially on this kind of short.

1181
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: Notice no doubt. I mean, I think the odds are

1182
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: a little bit too wide, but there does seem to

1183
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: be a big belief in everything that we're saying about

1184
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: Gary that forget the odds, forget what we don't know

1185
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: about him. What we do know about him is striking.

1186
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: It is overwhelming. But Magni has not been stopped since

1187
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. The only two to get him on strikes.

1188
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, stop by strikes. We've seen him submitted a

1189
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: couple times, Gilbert Burns recently, but Ponzinibbio and Lorenz Larkin

1190
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: the only two to get him on strikes. If Gary

1191
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: does just that, it's a potential breakthrough moment for him.

1192
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: The Irish in Boston would be going wild. And it's good.

1193
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: Twenty five man, he's fun. He's another guy, another guy

1194
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: on this list, right, I mean, I needed like a

1195
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: pound for pound prospects list that's not just based on

1196
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: the potential ability but the buzz because, like Tremaiah has

1197
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: been ahead of that list for a while, rightfully so,

1198
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: but this guy's creeping up. Luke's always got shov caught

1199
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: up there? Do you have there? Do you have any

1200
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: bon airs for for any certain men or women in

1201
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: that direction where you're like, if I got to put

1202
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: money on the stock of this guy based on what

1203
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: we know, this is my guy.

1204
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 4: Natalia Silva I think should be on that list. She's

1205
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: really really solid.

1206
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: There are so many right now that, like, off the

1207
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: top of my head, it's hard for me to remember them,

1208
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to think of who else we've got

1209
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 3: in these divisions that that are coming up. It's a

1210
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: tough question to answer when I put on the spot.

1211
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: But I know, like I think that I think the

1212
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 3: world of Natalia Silva.

1213
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 4: I think she's really really good.

1214
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't call Tatiana Suarez a prospect anymore,

1215
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: but I think that she's a She's been on that

1216
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 3: list for a long time, right, Like she's somebody who

1217
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: I think you don't really need to be convinced of anymore.

1218
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, there are a lot right now of prospects

1219
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: that I think have a.

1220
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Lot of really good, well rounded skills that are going

1221
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 3: to be coming up in the coming years that are

1222
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: really going to amaze us.

1223
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, keeping on this main card, we get demon

1224
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: Blocksheer on short notice one week later against Mario Bautista.

1225
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: Can he continue to build on the buzz off of

1226
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: his debut UFC debut win via Twister, just the third

1227
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: submission of such in the history of the promotion. But

1228
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: you will get a lot of eyes on this pay

1229
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: per view opener at Bandamwait Marlon Cheato Vera welcoming Battle

1230
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: test did always difficult, Pedro Munio's not going to get

1231
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: rob Versus song you Dong not gonna get you know,

1232
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: Cody Garbrant like we mentioned, But dude, when Cheeto Vera

1233
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: shows up, it's big time theater for sure. How important

1234
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: based on O'Malley of all people saying yeah, I'm rematching

1235
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: Cheeto if he wins for the title, if I come

1236
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 2: through this weekend, is this fight for Cheeto to hold serve?

1237
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: It is of the utmost importance that he wins this fight.

1238
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 3: The reason why is because if he wins and Shaan

1239
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 3: O'Malley wins, every band Away contender right now is injured.

1240
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: Corey Sanagan's injured, Morob is injured. Umar I think is injured.

1241
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: I don't even know if you can consider him a

1242
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 3: true contender yet at this point either, I still think

1243
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: you need that kind of mark. He win, he can

1244
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: sneak in there if they need a title fight in

1245
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: December January, Cheeto Vera can definitely sneak in there to

1246
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: get a title shot against Sean O'Malley.

1247
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: It is of the utmost.

1248
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 3: Importance that he beats Pedro Munoz, who's a very very

1249
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 3: tough out for absolutely anybody. You saw that he won

1250
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 3: the first round against Shan O'Malley before that, I poke

1251
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: on the judges' scorecards. I think that Shaan O'Malley was

1252
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 3: kind of starting to turn the corner in that fight.

1253
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: But regardless of that, Pedro Muno's extremely tough. Coming off

1254
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 3: of a very very good win, I think that Cheeto

1255
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: Vera needs this win very very very badly, and I

1256
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: think that he's favored in this fight for a reason.

1257
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 4: I think that right now still he probably has to

1258
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 4: win here.

1259
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: Not by a lot though, minus one ninety by Caesars

1260
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: Vera the favorite, plus one sixty for Munios and a reminder,

1261
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: of course, Vera defeated O'Malley back in twenty twenty, but

1262
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 2: had that impressive four fight win streak, two big knockouts

1263
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: in there of veterans Cruise and Edgar, but he got

1264
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: solved against Corey Sanhagen in March. It's fair to say, Aaron,

1265
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: I know it went down with the split decision, but

1266
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: it seemed pretty decisive and almost kind of disappointing in

1267
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: a way. So it's not just win to keep your

1268
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: name in there for the potential that big money rematch.

1269
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: But we do need to see a mea culpa in

1270
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 2: some way from Cheetoh after that fight.

1271
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: Well that's why a I think that the odds are

1272
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: minus one ninety. I think they should be longer. To

1273
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: be honest, I think that he should be a bigger favorite.

1274
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: The reasons I think is taking away from how skilled

1275
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: he really is. And again I think that's why the

1276
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 3: time is absolutely right now for Cheeto that he needs

1277
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: to get this win because I think he can sneak

1278
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: in there. But I also think that there is a

1279
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: certain ceiling for him when he starts to face a

1280
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 3: lot of these top prospects that maybe this is, you know,

1281
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 3: again the perfect timing, lightning in a bottle where he

1282
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: can face the guy that he's already beaten in Sean O'Malley.

1283
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 4: But again a lot of different things have to happen

1284
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 4: in order for that to play. Out that way.

1285
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, what is set up right now to be

1286
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: your featured ESPN Plus in ESPN two preliminary about is

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Speaker 2: the comeback of the former champion at middleweight, Chris Widman,

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Speaker 2: aged thirty nine out two years since the absolutely destructive

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Speaker 2: broken what fibula and tibula on his right leg against

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Speaker 2: Jeriah Hall, he has lost six of eight coming in.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned he's thirty nine, Aaron. Most guys after that

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Speaker 2: type of injury, which of course had the ultimate ironic

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Speaker 2: twist being that Silva broke the same parts of his

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Speaker 2: other leg against Widman and their title rematch years earlier,

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Speaker 2: most people aren't going to attempt to come back from this.

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Speaker 2: You can argue most people shouldn't attempt to come back

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Speaker 2: like this, especially when you consider having lost six of

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Speaker 2: eight and you know we're not talking about Widman anymore

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Speaker 2: in contention or big time fights. But boyd, you have

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Speaker 2: to respect the warrior inside of him to make this

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Speaker 2: comeback fight against Brat tavares To. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: about the critics, Aaron. This is about himself to prove

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Speaker 2: that he can still do this. This is a dangerous

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Speaker 2: challenge in a lot of ways. But what does this

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Speaker 2: say about Widman to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a true testament to the

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Speaker 3: human spirit that he was able to make a recovery

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Speaker 3: and even not even make the recovery, but even attempt

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Speaker 3: to make the recovery. I think that alone he should

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Speaker 3: be absolutely lauded for because, like you said thirty seven,

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Speaker 3: when the injury happens, you know that it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a long road to recovery. And it seemed like right

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Speaker 3: after the injury happened, he was like, I'm gonna do this,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna recover, I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna fight

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Speaker 3: in the UFC again. And for him to come back

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Speaker 3: and do it, I just think you have to applaud

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Speaker 3: the guy win or lose. I mean, this could be

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Speaker 3: very well be his last fight if he does lose,

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Speaker 3: But just to be able to go and make the

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Speaker 3: walk and come back after that kind of an injury

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Speaker 3: is just again, I don't know how anybody can't be

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Speaker 3: inspired by that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to like sort of swallow the fears

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Speaker 2: for him and just say, you know, man, I got

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Speaker 2: a lot of respect. If we're talking about Vegas though.

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Speaker 2: Plus two thirty five wide. Men, you're betting underdog minus

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Speaker 2: two eighty five for Brad Tavares, who is not young

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Speaker 2: but at thirty five. But man, we know despite a

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Speaker 2: two fight losing skid that he's on, losing a decision

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Speaker 2: to DDP and then getting knocked out by Bruno Silva,

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Speaker 2: you don't mess around with Tavares. So Aaron, he should

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Speaker 2: win this, good story aside, he should win this right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was talking to some preds that said, like,

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Speaker 3: these are like I dare you odds. It's like you

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Speaker 3: look at Widman, former champion, making the comeback, They're.

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Speaker 4: Like, I dare you to take him at this price.

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Speaker 3: He's like that's the kind of price where you're like wow,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's not like Tavaris is a spring chicken either.

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Speaker 3: And Wiman's making this inspiring comeback and his teammates fighting

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Speaker 3: on the headliner, Like there's all of these things where like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Widman has the skills to beat Brad tavaras at least

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Speaker 3: the Wideman that I remember. So it's one of those

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Speaker 3: kind of I dare you spots, like we're gonna give

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Speaker 3: you good odds. We're gonna bet against Chris Widman being

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Speaker 3: able to win another fight in the UFC, and you can.

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Speaker 3: You can bet against us on that if you'd like,

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Speaker 3: And I honestly think that's what those odds kind of indicate.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if you think Chris Widman has a shot,

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Speaker 3: you take them with these odds, right plus two thirty five.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, we dare you to try to take

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Speaker 3: some money from the sports books here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, it's hard not to share, though. Honestly, you

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Speaker 2: gotta be pulling for Widman. We just had a great

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Speaker 2: moment with Robbie Lawler after a great moment from Amanda Newnes.

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Speaker 2: Now granted those were retirement fights, want to surprise when

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Speaker 2: we knew about, but the way that it ended and

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Speaker 2: the joy it felt good to have something that so

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Speaker 2: wholesome In this violent sport. Combat sports in general, you

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Speaker 2: don't get a lot of great stories, right, You get

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Speaker 2: inspiration comebacks, but you don't get a lot of good feelings. Man,

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Speaker 2: I want this inspirational comeback to give us that good

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Speaker 2: feeling for Chris Widman. I you know, I'd love to

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Speaker 2: see him get that. And I've they used to call

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Speaker 2: me a Wideman hater. Aaron I really did not believe

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Speaker 2: even you know, Aaron, if you you know, like when

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Speaker 2: people are on their deathbed and then they like, you know,

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Speaker 2: revealed the truth, right, you know, like the guy, the people,

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Speaker 2: those government people like you know, Luke Thomas's dad's ex colleagues,

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Speaker 2: who actually know who killed JFK. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: They'll like whisper in the ear of their significant other

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Speaker 2: on my death. Bet I'll still tell you that Widman

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Speaker 2: never beat Silva that you know, Anderson lost twice. But

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Speaker 2: you know this would be good for all Chris. I'm

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Speaker 2: cheering for him, I'm pulling for This.

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Speaker 4: Is the most that Bostonians will cheer for New york

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Speaker 4: Er maybe ever on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Ever, I think that that's they're gonna have to swallow

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Speaker 3: their pride on that one and give Widman the kind

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Speaker 3: of adulation that he deserves here. And I will say

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Speaker 3: I was the biggest Anderson Silva guy like he was,

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Speaker 3: like when I was not covering the sport, and I

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Speaker 3: was just a fan like I was and Anderson's Silva guy.

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Speaker 3: And I picked Widman in both of those fights. I

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Speaker 3: just thought that like his time had kind of come,

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Speaker 3: And I was actually right on that, But so I

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Speaker 3: can never be accused of being a wide man aiter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, right there, the rest of this card we do.

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Speaker 2: We did get the moved fight. It was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be an earlier card, but RoboCop Gregory Rodriguez gonna take

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Speaker 2: on Dennis Thijulian. I'm suing someone we mentioned earlier, Natalia

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Speaker 2: Silva in here against Andrea Lee at Women's Flylight. Silva

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Speaker 2: from Brazil. I said it last on Monday. I feel

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Speaker 2: like we keep seeing these debuting Brazilian female fighters that

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Speaker 2: are coming out of the scene and making noise. I mean,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's a good omen for a Mendo Laimosh on

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Speaker 2: Saturday and her title hopes, But yeah, Natalia Silva could

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Speaker 2: be for real. Is there anyone else you're circling on

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Speaker 2: this card in that same regard?

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Speaker 3: By the way, Gregory Hadriguez is Brazilian, so it's actually

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Speaker 3: Hobo cop. I just thought I correct you on Hobo cop.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 2: That is brilliant, brilliant. By the way, Hobo Cot, that's

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Speaker 2: Hornaldol level brilliant. Okay, I thought I.

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Speaker 3: Just correct you on the nickname there, just in case

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Speaker 3: you're not familiar with the dialect there. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: very excited for Natalia Silva and as a Canadian, I

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Speaker 3: got a root for Brad Totona becoming potentially the second

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Speaker 3: the first fighter to win two seasons of The Ultimate Fighter.

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Speaker 3: He's the only Canadian to ever win a standard season

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Speaker 3: of The Ultimate Fighter and he could. I spoke to

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Speaker 3: him earlier today and he has coined the phrase MultiMate fighter.

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Speaker 3: He wants to become the first MultiMate fighter.

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Speaker 2: I like that a little bit. It's a little I

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Speaker 2: like that right there. I think I'm doing a UFC

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Speaker 2: two ninety two post fight show from More. I should

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Speaker 2: be on Saturday night, so tune in for more more

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Speaker 2: information on that. But uh yeah, I'm fired up, Aeron,

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Speaker 2: I'm fired up for this weekend. This is another big one.

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Speaker 2: This should be good across.

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Speaker 3: Nom Demond Black Cheer could become the fastest to win

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Speaker 3: two fights back to back in UFC history in seven days.

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Speaker 2: Dude, if he does it with another twister, maybe he

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Speaker 2: can go on the a mckeea teen or not. Mckiteene,

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Speaker 2: the dude, the dude with the Corey with the osp No,

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Speaker 2: the dude Mackenzie, the McKenzie team. Remember when he was

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Speaker 2: you know, he had the one gimmick. Yeah, there you go,

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Speaker 2: There you go, man. I always ruined my old and

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Speaker 2: recycled jokes every single time. Topic number two aeron UFC

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Speaker 2: two ninety two is going to be a big one

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Speaker 2: this weekend. But yesterday I was in New York City

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Speaker 2: Times Square for the first of a two day coast

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Speaker 2: to coast press tour for What's going down on Showtime

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Speaker 2: pay per View September thirtieth, t Mobile Arena, Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: For the first time in men's boxing history, two reigning

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Speaker 2: and defending four bel undisputed champions will face off against

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Speaker 2: one another. Yeah, it's a big deal. Canelo Alvarez defending

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Speaker 2: his one hundred and sixty eight pound title against current

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty four pound undisputed champion Jermel Charlo. Aaron,

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Speaker 2: this fight is great. We all thought it was gonna

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Speaker 2: be Jermal the brother the middleweight champion, unbeaten the WBC

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Speaker 2: title holder, but he's not mentally ready after going through

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Speaker 2: some stepbacks. He's been out of the ring for two years.

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Speaker 2: Jermel Charlo has been out of the ring himself for

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Speaker 2: fifteen months since knocking out Brian Castano in their undisputed

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Speaker 2: title rematch, but now moving up to weight divisions. They

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Speaker 2: faced off yesterday in New York City. I hope we

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Speaker 2: can show video of this face off and for everyone

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Speaker 2: talking about the true cool, daring to be great elements

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Speaker 2: here of Charlo moving up to weight divisions. He's always

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Speaker 2: been big for one fifty four. Canelo's always been a

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Speaker 2: small middleway. I wonder if size won't be I mean,

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Speaker 2: size could be a factor certainly in the in the

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Speaker 2: in the punch, chin area, recuperative, all that. But this

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Speaker 2: got me even more fired up when these two faced off. Aaron,

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Speaker 2: I know you're more on the MMA side, but this

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Speaker 2: has to be the type of fight that's going to

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Speaker 2: get your attention.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean when Canelo fights, it certainly has my attention,

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Speaker 3: especially when it's against a guy who's a worthy adversary.

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Speaker 3: And I think in this stage of his career, this

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Speaker 3: is a It's not Benavidez, but it's probably about as

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Speaker 3: good of a matchup as you can have for Canelo

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Speaker 3: to really test where he's at right now. And that's

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Speaker 3: what makes us exciting. And I think that this is

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Speaker 3: the Charlo twin that I would prefer to see him

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Speaker 3: face under these circumstances, and it makes it a very

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Speaker 3: very exciting fight again, just to kind of measure where

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Speaker 3: Canelo's at in the stage of his career.

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Speaker 2: Now Canelo, both fighters are thirty three years old. But Canelo,

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of talk that he might not

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Speaker 2: be the same guy anymore. Still firmly in the midst

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Speaker 2: of the pound for pound rankings. But Aaron, you remember

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Speaker 2: two years ago when he became that underspeeded champion last

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Speaker 2: time on Showtime pay per view against Caleb Plant knocking

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Speaker 2: him out. Were he was not only number one with

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Speaker 2: a bullet pound for pound, we were like, did he

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Speaker 2: pass Chaves yet for best Mexican fighter ever? Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Canelo already the face of the sport, seemed to be

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Speaker 2: inhuman just a couple of years back. I did, like

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Speaker 2: yesterday at the press conference where when Fate went asked

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Speaker 2: about that by Brian Custer, he said, look, I know

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Speaker 2: the reason why I was like that, You're not gonna

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Speaker 2: see that anymore. And Raoul Marcus, my Showtime colleague, asked

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Speaker 2: Canelo about that when we talked to him afterwards, and

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Speaker 2: I like what he said. He said, look, I wasn't

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Speaker 2: able to train at full level due to a hand injury.

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Speaker 2: He just recently had that hand surgery to fix it,

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Speaker 2: so he believes he'll be fully back. The fights we're

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Speaker 2: talking about, of course, is the trilogy about with Kenati Glovevkin,

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Speaker 2: which we thought could be this old man war and

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Speaker 2: it kind of just turned out. Nah, Canelo got the win,

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Speaker 2: and then of course his homecoming victory over John Ryder,

1494
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 2: where he dominated but he wasn't able to get Rider

1495
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: out of there, and Rider kind of rallied a bit

1496
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: at the end, and it's sort of like, is he

1497
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: that same dude? I know, you tune into Canelo fights

1498
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: at thirty three for a guy who turned pro at

1499
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 2: age fifteen, for a guy who's been a pro for

1500
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: eighteen years, do you feel like he still could be

1501
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 2: that same guy? That it might be over over a

1502
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: bit over to say, oh, you know, look there's proof

1503
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: he's pasted it.

1504
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 4: I think he has passed it.

1505
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1506
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 3: I hate to say that, because I think Canelo is

1507
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 3: a legend and a tremendous box and I really hope

1508
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: he proved me wrong. But just just from watching that

1509
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 3: third Triple G fight, it just felt like something was

1510
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: missing in there in terms of, you know, how much

1511
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 3: he was willing to attack an opponent. I just felt

1512
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 3: like we're not seeing that same old Canelo that we

1513
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 3: saw back in the day where he was just had

1514
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 3: that killer instinct, and maybe it comes back in this fight.

1515
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 4: I had predicted Bivoll to beat him.

1516
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 3: I was telling people take Bivoll by decision that ended

1517
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 3: up playing out because the size was too much to overcome.

1518
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 4: I think you were also in the.

1519
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: Same boat going with Bival didn't work out when you

1520
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 3: picked against the inn you wad a couple of weeks

1521
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 3: ago when he was moving up.

1522
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 4: But in this situation, I think that we're gonna see

1523
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: what Canelo still has.

1524
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: In the tank, and I think that that's gonna be

1525
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: what we learned from this fight, because this is a

1526
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 3: really really worthy adversary.

1527
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Charlo is He's not only one

1528
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,839
Speaker 2: of those guys that we've always wanted to see Canelo

1529
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 2: in against somebody who's foot speed and hand speed is

1530
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: on the level of what they bring as a as

1531
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: a one punch finisher, and that's what Jamal Charlo can be,

1532
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: but also has boxing IQ, which he has and let's

1533
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: also be fair about Jamal's true calling. He rises to

1534
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 2: the occasion when you know he does have the loss

1535
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: to Tony Harrison in a disput of decision and the

1536
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: draw against Kastanio the first time around, where me, like

1537
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: most people thought Kastanio had done enough to win. But

1538
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: you know, Aaron, we ask of this about the great

1539
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: champions in either combat sport. What do you do when

1540
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: you get that second chance? He knocked both out in

1541
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 2: rematches to have that same you know, asterisk to his

1542
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 2: resume that Lennox Lewis does, where Yeah, we've seen him lose,

1543
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: but he beat everybody he's ever been in the ring

1544
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 2: with because of how he rises when his back is

1545
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: against the wall. That's what I really want to see

1546
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: from jaml in this fight. Can he be a bigger

1547
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: threat than some realize, who are maybe focusing too much

1548
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: on that supposed size difference. But I was out there

1549
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: with Raoul Marquez, an NBA great Stephen Jackson, Showtimes all

1550
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: the smoke. We had a chance to chat with both fighters.

1551
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: I want to play a clip here here's Canelo talking

1552
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: about this factor. Aaron, we thought this was going to

1553
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 2: be potentially a contentious face off because of both Charlow Brothers'

1554
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: history of going from zero to sixty in about a

1555
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: half second. It wasn't let's hear from Big Red. There

1556
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: was a lot of respect up there from the face

1557
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: off atituous that surprise you all.

1558
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 9: Ah, yeah, I'm a little surprise.

1559
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 7: I like it.

1560
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 9: I like it because you know, when two fighters are

1561
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 9: a person on the fight.

1562
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: No.

1563
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 9: I know everybody liked drama and and and like to

1564
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 9: see we talked chet about each other there. But you know,

1565
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 9: I like this kind of press conference because there's when

1566
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 9: you when when you find out is one hundred percent

1567
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 9: on the on the fight, right, And I like it.

1568
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: We did see that same sort of respect between Spence

1569
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 2: and Crawford outside of a few one liners. Are you

1570
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: on the side of the street that like, hey man,

1571
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: we all love a good trash talk war, we all

1572
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: love Connor McGregor. But this whole respect bushido, let's be

1573
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: professional thing still works and still sells if the fight's

1574
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: good enough.

1575
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's exactly the case. Like, if

1576
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 3: the fight's good and it speaks for itself, I don't

1577
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 3: think you.

1578
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 4: Need the history onnicts. They necessarily go into it.

1579
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: And another interesting note, I believe that this fight is

1580
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 3: going to be kind of unopposed on September thirties. I

1581
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 3: don't think there's a UFC event that night, So I

1582
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: think that it gives a good opportunity for a lot

1583
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 3: of the NMA fans to kind of sit back and

1584
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: enjoy the sweet Science for one night when they don't

1585
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 3: have to, you know, worry about covering a UFC event

1586
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: or watching a UFC event of your fan. It's just

1587
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: a big, big platform for both of these athletes, and

1588
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 3: I think that one of them is really going to

1589
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 3: take advantage of that moment. And you know, if Canelo

1590
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 3: does win, I think you can start setting up a

1591
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 3: lot more monster fights with him for the years to come.

1592
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 3: And his earning potential is just going to be outrageous.

1593
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it always is. But this is the first

1594
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: of three fights on his new PBC deal. He had said, potentially, Hey,

1595
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: if I beat Jamal, maybe I'll take on Jamal, who

1596
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: I was next to I was supposed to fight. Now.

1597
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: This was part of the topic, of course, because Canelo

1598
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 2: now does have to shift.

1599
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 8: Now.

1600
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: Charlot brothers are similar inabilities in a lot of ways,

1601
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: but they are also different Jamal Charlo, the middle the

1602
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 2: undefeated WBC Middleway champion, is bigger, is a little bit

1603
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: more of power puncher as opposed to the boxer. Jermal

1604
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: can do it all. But Jamal has kind of settled

1605
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: in of late to be almost a Canelo like fighter

1606
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 2: in the fact that he's being more of the calculated

1607
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 2: counterpuncher in that regard. So I did wonder talking to

1608
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: Canelo about changing the strategy for Bold Brothers. He's got

1609
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: some good answers to our questions. Go one more time

1610
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 2: back to Big Red.

1611
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 8: I got a question, since we're talking about the twins,

1612
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 8: Jermel Jermal, what do you think is better?

1613
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 9: I think your Malice is a better fighter. I don't

1614
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 9: I don't know yet because I'm not being in that

1615
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 9: ring yet, but but I think your Malice is a

1616
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 9: is a better fighter. That's that's that's what I think.

1617
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 9: Why because his skills he fought with better push opposition,

1618
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 9: opposition a position. So that's that's that's why.

1619
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 8: By the way, your English is getting way better, man.

1620
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 7: Thank you.

1621
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 9: We could hang out now and I try my best

1622
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 9: and I never take I never take lessons. I just

1623
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 9: saw the TV in English and talked with my friends

1624
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 9: in English, and I'm I'm not. I don't care if

1625
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 9: I made mistakes. I think that's that's the way you learn, right, right, right.

1626
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 8: So, Canelo, you've been solid. You've been solid at one

1627
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 8: sixty eight. You know, also as a light heavyweight. Do

1628
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 8: you think Jamel is getting a little bit over his

1629
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 8: head thinking that he could move up two weight divisions

1630
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:13,440
Speaker 8: and defeat.

1631
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 9: I don't know what he's thinking, to be honest, and

1632
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 9: I don't care. I just care about how I'm gonna

1633
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 9: train and I'm gonna prepare myself for the best. Charlow.

1634
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that size difference isn't gonna be as

1635
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 2: big of a factor. Obviously, if Damel can't take Canelo's punch,

1636
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: and Canelo's a big puncher at sixty eight, then I'm

1637
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: gonna be proven an idiot and it will have a factor.

1638
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: But I'm talking more of the physicality and the trenches. Yes,

1639
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: Canalo is going to be thicker, but it is going

1640
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 2: to be interesting to see, in my opinion, how big

1641
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: Jermel comes in. That was one thing I did ask him,

1642
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, because if you're gonna put on a ton

1643
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: of muscle Aaron and move up that's always going to

1644
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: make it difficult if you're going to cut back down.

1645
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: And Jamel knows that. Terrence Crawford called him out in

1646
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: the midst of finishing Arrol Spence in the ring and

1647
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: they're super fight a few months back. Boy, could you

1648
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: imagine how big a fight again, another fight of undisputed

1649
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 2: champion against undisputed champion that we could have that. I

1650
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: do wonder what your most strategy will be physically of

1651
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: do I try to come in quick, in smaller or

1652
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: will I need some of that build to fight in

1653
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 2: the trenches.

1654
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we talk about the earning potential of Canelo.

1655
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 3: I mean, imagine what to win for Charlot will do here.

1656
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 3: I mean, now you've got a massive super fight on

1657
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 3: your hands, right, So it's big business, man. I mean,

1658
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 3: like that's a big What's been great about boxing this

1659
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: year is we're like, we're seeing so many great matchups

1660
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 3: being manifested right now at a time where the biggest

1661
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 3: criticism on boxing, with the big matches haven't been happening.

1662
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 3: I feel like, aside from you know, Fury and Usk,

1663
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 3: which doesn't look like that's going to be happening this year,

1664
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 3: it still feels like almost all of the biggest boxing

1665
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 3: matchups that are out there are being made. And again,

1666
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 3: I mean Benavitez. Canelo is another one that we're kind

1667
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 3: of missing the boat on. But again, Canello's got a

1668
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: really worthy adversary this time around.

1669
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 2: For sure. For sure, this has been the year of

1670
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 2: the super fight. I don't want to I don't I

1671
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: want to talk. It's like a no hitter. I don't

1672
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. Let's just let it keep going.

1673
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 2: I do have one more clip. I want to get

1674
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: Jamel Charlo's side of it. He was very mature in

1675
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: his presentation, very confident, of course, but I really like

1676
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: the detailed answers from Jamel you're about to hear about

1677
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: what this means to him and some of his own

1678
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: reflection on how people look at him. Remember, we all

1679
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: thought he was gonna come in here and push Canelo

1680
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: and start something. He's a little bit different nowadays, heading

1681
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: into the biggest fight of his career.

1682
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 8: It's here now, Mal. I know you got a lot

1683
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 8: of tools in your toolbox. Yeah, can you tell us

1684
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 8: one of the most important ones that you're gonna use

1685
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 8: that's gonna defeat Canelo?

1686
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 7: I know that jab gonna be active. That jab gotta

1687
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 7: be active. You know, l LL remove me really got

1688
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 7: to be active as well. So we can't just sit

1689
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 7: there and uh take shots either, you know what I'm saying.

1690
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 7: It's about being smarter in there and so using my

1691
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 7: hot IQ, we're going we'll definitely put this fight in

1692
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 7: my hands.

1693
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 10: We don't have to talk about really getting into it

1694
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 10: because you fighting Canelo Evers, like I said, you have

1695
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 10: you have the respect when we know who Conelo is.

1696
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 10: But going into the fight as for a legacy and

1697
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 10: it's for family, I know, I know that's what you're

1698
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 10: thinking about. How important is that for you to to

1699
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 10: not only take this fight for a legacy fight, but

1700
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 10: also stand up and to and to do something great

1701
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 10: again for the lines of promotion for the Charlow family and.

1702
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 7: The culture, you know what I'm saying.

1703
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 10: And the culture exactly a protected because we need one

1704
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 10: right right, So you know.

1705
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 7: What I'm saying, Hey, if y'all, if y'all put it

1706
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 7: on my back, man, I don't need a cane. Maybe

1707
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 7: I'll get it. So and I think of it that way.

1708
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 7: I'm gonna hold it down for us. You know what

1709
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,799
Speaker 7: I'm saying, and I'm gonna make sure that I represent

1710
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 7: as well, right and and and and this is it.

1711
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. And I don't need to

1712
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 7: be in here like like Canello said, I'm gonna try

1713
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 7: and talk. I'm gotta do all that. You know what

1714
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 7: I'm saying. You know me, You know my attitude, and

1715
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 7: I wish that I would have never presented such a

1716
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 7: negative or bad energy, but this is just who I am. Right,

1717
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna give y'all what it is. And you

1718
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 7: kiss me, y'all. I'm gonna give you what you what

1719
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 7: you asked. You know what I'm saying, right right?

1720
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that very introspective out there. But one

1721
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: key thing he said strategically that to take note of

1722
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: if there's been any criticism of Dremal at the elite

1723
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 2: level at times doesn't throw enough punches, can be too

1724
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: selective in looking to counter with that one big knockout

1725
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 2: shot for him to say, my job will be the key.

1726
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: It does have to give you some confidence to the

1727
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: idea of what type of strategy could that he could

1728
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: use to give Canelo issues. It's gonna be a interesting fight, Aeron.

1729
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm dialed in I'm ready for it, brother, all right, Okay, that's.

1730
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 4: A fashionable guy, Charlie. I like that outfit he was wearing.

1731
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I know I'm going.

1732
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: Yea more debating that. Yeah, I like to look a lot.

1733
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 3: I think it's it's a solid look. I mean, hey,

1734
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 3: if you you put this on his back, he doesn't

1735
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: need a cane.

1736
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: I like that line too, And I also a lot

1737
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 2: better than Canelo's pajamas.

1738
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: Bro, you do a great job at when you're on

1739
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 3: camera shifting between looking at the interview subject and the audience.

1740
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,640
Speaker 3: I think you just people don't notice this kind of

1741
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 3: stuff unless they're really familiar with the format.

1742
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 4: But I just got to give you a pat on

1743
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 4: the back of that one.

1744
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan in this game of for as

1745
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 2: much as I'm looking at at times on this show

1746
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: as a clown of working on my fundamentals in the

1747
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: in the basics really right, because that is uh yeah,

1748
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you very much, Aaron, saying back

1749
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 2: to you, that is our two main fight topics, Aaron,

1750
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: But you know you and I also have other interests

1751
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: beyond just like cage fighting and stuff. You and I

1752
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 2: are absolute music nerd bombers, and we used to have

1753
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: a segment. In fact, I think they made a T

1754
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: shirt about it one time where you and I look

1755
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: through our collection and say, you know what you're rocking

1756
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: on your iPod right now? What are you spinning on

1757
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 2: the needle? Bro show me. Let's take part, provided it's

1758
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 2: consensual into some vinyl intercourse. Yeah, spin the black Circle. Indeed, Hey,

1759
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 2: it's been a long time, Aaron since we've rock and

1760
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: rolled like this where people you know, I mean, I

1761
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: have to believe, and I know this for a fact

1762
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: because we do have great music fans in the m

1763
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: case sphere. They've sent me records, they're such great music fans,

1764
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: They've given me gifts. Luke's taste for abortion rock, for

1765
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 2: extreme death metal, it just does I mean, for as

1766
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: like that guy is so sophisticated and intelligent, and he's

1767
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 2: an influencer on certain things, Like you ever see this

1768
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: guy order on a menu. This guy knows what he wants.

1769
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: Why does he like that shit?

1770
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 9: Erin?

1771
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 4: I think that that's a good way of looking at it,

1772
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 4: you know, Di.

1773
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 3: I noticed, by the way, there's like a nineties and

1774
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 3: two thousands reference counter that comes up when you reference.

1775
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: See.

1776
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: I'm an audio listener of MK, which is like I

1777
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 3: listen to have you seen this ish on Mondays? Like

1778
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 3: the audio version of it, and try to envision what's

1779
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 3: happening in the clips. So when I see these counters

1780
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 3: and like kind of graphic effects, like it's.

1781
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 4: All new to me.

1782
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, how long has that counter have been around for?

1783
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 4: Because you make countless references tonight.

1784
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: It's the very beginning eron Thank you for watching that.

1785
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm a listener of the show. I

1786
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 3: listened to every podcast, but I'm not a big like.

1787
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 3: I don't sit down watch the show because I like

1788
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 3: to listen at one point seventy five speed and get

1789
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: all of my podcasts digested as quickly as possible.

1790
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1791
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we are both on our own paths and

1792
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,560
Speaker 2: journeys and the bands and genres and albums that we

1793
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 2: are stuck to at the moment. Shout out by the

1794
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 2: way the MK listener Corey Marlin for firing out at

1795
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 2: me the KIDA from Radiohead, aeron I Am deep on

1796
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 2: kDa and Radiohead. I'm giving it like three months of

1797
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: my time to really massage it and get there. But

1798
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: for the purposes of Vinyl Intercourse here for the nerds

1799
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 2: that are still left listening. We want to present one

1800
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: to two sort of records albums here that we are

1801
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: into at the moment, Aaron, are you frozen?

1802
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: Do you have are you?

1803
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: They're telling me to stand by. We may have had

1804
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: technical difficulties there, maybe Luke haunting us from the vacation spot.

1805
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 2: At the moment, standing by, we will present two album rex.

1806
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to go first, right off the top, unless

1807
01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: Aeron's ready. Do we have them? No? Okay? Oh I

1808
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: hear from him, I hear from there. We don't have

1809
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: his picture. All right, I'm gonna go with this. Aaron.

1810
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 2: My first Vinyl Intercourse music recommendation is this. Here's what's

1811
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: awesome about this. You actually, as a great friend, sent

1812
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 2: me this record, but it came a few months after

1813
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: My good friend Bogo, my best friend in the world,

1814
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 2: was like, dude, I know how much you like psychedelic

1815
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 2: folk and psychedelic country and sort of that in between

1816
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:28,839
Speaker 2: and genres. Why don't you have Sturgel Simpsons twenty fourteen

1817
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Meta modern Sounds and country music record? And Aaron, you

1818
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: and I are such great music nerds. We didn't even

1819
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: have to talk to each other. You're like, yo, here,

1820
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 2: you were gonna like this album and you sent it

1821
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 2: to me. Dude, it lives up to what I expected.

1822
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: And then some now I'd known Sturgel Simpson's name, and

1823
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: that you know, big breakout originally of him and wherever

1824
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: you want to put him in the sort of indie

1825
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 2: rock space, even though he's more country based and influenced.

1826
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: But the sound he put forth on this record, and

1827
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: of course the title of it plays heavily on the great,

1828
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,679
Speaker 2: great Ray Charles record of modern sounds and country music

1829
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: that if you don't own, get with it. But his

1830
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: ability here to mix that pure outlaw country sound straight

1831
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 2: out of the nineteen sixties and seventies, but with a

1832
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: psychedelic mix in a weird way that comes out in

1833
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 2: sort of these these certain moments, these certain big moments

1834
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: on there. They call it progressive country mixed with outlaw

1835
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: country and whatever you want to call it. Dude, it's fresh,

1836
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: it's next level, but it's got a lot of tastes

1837
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 2: of the past. And I talk to you a lot

1838
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: about where I'm at lately, and a lot of where

1839
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 2: I'm at is that perfect nineteen sixty seven to nineteen

1840
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 2: seventy bubble where psychedelic meets rock meets the future of

1841
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 2: progressive rock. In that sort of bubble where it's just

1842
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: so fresh and new. This new record kind of fits

1843
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 2: in in a weird way, but with a country influence.

1844
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: What made you send this my way?

1845
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 3: Well, I sent you, I think, three records for your birthday,

1846
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 3: and this one I thought was just one that based

1847
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 3: on what your other you know, interest in music are.

1848
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: When you think about like psych and you know bands

1849
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: like kind of have that sound like the drive by

1850
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 3: Truckers that you're really into.

1851
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: I just thought that it would be something you'd enjoy.

1852
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 3: And in terms of country music, I think Sturgil is

1853
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 3: like number one pound for pound right now. If you're

1854
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 3: like a real country enthusiast, you might disagree with that.

1855
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 3: You might like that guy with the red beard the

1856
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 3: things in the woods, But I think that Sturgil Simpson

1857
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 3: right now is the best thing going in country music

1858
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: and just continues to release great album after great album.

1859
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 3: I think the album after this one, actually a Sailor's

1860
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 3: Guide to Earth ik it's called is his best work.

1861
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 4: I had it around.

1862
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 3: I got it around the time that my second son

1863
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 3: was born, and whenever I hear that album, I just

1864
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 3: like it. It reminds me of holding in my arms

1865
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 3: as a baby, just brings me right back to it.

1866
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: So I have a real sentimental attachment to that second

1867
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 3: album or I guess that would be his third album,

1868
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 3: but the album after Meta Modern Sounds, I just figured

1869
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 3: it would be one that would resonate with you.

1870
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you know it did.

1871
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: And that's a great story about your son. And this

1872
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: is my entry into everything Stimpson does, even though his

1873
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: name's been lingering around my sphere for a while. But

1874
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 2: I am really bought in on this and still in

1875
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 2: the early development, you know, Honeymoon's phase with it. But yeah,

1876
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: great recommendation that came my way. I hope other people

1877
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 2: out there can hit it. The shame give me one

1878
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: on your side, Aaron, are just going to be hipster?

1879
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: What do we got going on here?

1880
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: You?

1881
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned you do reach nineteen sixty seven

1882
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 3: to nineteen seventies rock music, and that's the theme for

1883
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 3: me today. So this album I think has been my

1884
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 3: favorite album, like for the most days of my life.

1885
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 3: If I would like to, you know, it changes from

1886
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: time to time, but this is Forever Changes by Love,

1887
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 3: which was I think the second rock album ever released

1888
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 3: on Elektra, after The Doors self titled album and Sorr.

1889
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 3: Actually this would be the third Love album, but the

1890
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: Love was the second rock band I guess signed to Elektra,

1891
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 3: and Forever Changes to me is like one of the

1892
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 3: all time great rock albums, using kind of baroque pop

1893
01:24:56,200 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: with psychedelic rock, with the lyrics being just so almost

1894
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 3: like apocalyptic at times and ethereal. I've just always loved

1895
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 3: this album so much. It's like, again, I think for

1896
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 3: the most days of my life, this has been my

1897
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: favorite album, and I would just recommend it to anybody

1898
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 3: who likes psych rock or any sort of sixties rock,

1899
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 3: anything along those lines.

1900
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right into where I'm at now. And that's

1901
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 2: a great album cover. I mean, you know, first, weird

1902
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 2: as my paintings are, I want my paintings to look

1903
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 2: like that. That's one that stands out. I put that

1904
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: in a frame.

1905
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 1: Parents.

1906
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 4: It's actually the members of the band too like it.

1907
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 4: It's hard to tell you.

1908
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 3: He looked it up again, Like this is like all

1909
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 3: the heads of the members of the band drawn out

1910
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 3: with a kind of like psychedelic artwork.

1911
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: Indeed, love that stuff right there, Dude, I always thought

1912
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 2: it's weird. I always looked at psychedelic rock as a

1913
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: passing gimmick. Yeah, I got into everything from the you know,

1914
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: the one hit Wonders and and sort of the ones,

1915
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: the Strawberry Alarm Clock status Quo. All these bands. You're like, oh,

1916
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: that's psychedelic, But dude, there's such a deeper wealth of

1917
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: prime psychedelic And during that stretch I talked about, really

1918
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: beginning in sixty six in a lot of ways, the

1919
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 2: major bands that dipped into psych for a while, you know,

1920
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: like Between the Buttons, from the Stones, the Notorious Bird Brothers.

1921
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just some there's this classic after classic

1922
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 2: in that genre. Not to mention obviously that really you know,

1923
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: the Doors Hendrix, they're psychedelic rock bands that really just

1924
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: might be my favorite genre altogether, and I never realized it, Aaron,

1925
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 2: If that makes any sense, Well.

1926
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna go with your next record, but

1927
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 4: you gave me like the perfect segue for my next.

1928
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Speaker 2: Record, hit it and do hit no hit it right now?

1929
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 3: It Okay, So you were talking about artists that were

1930
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 3: not like into psychoedolic rock. Like you mentioned The Stones,

1931
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 3: they had Satanic Majesties, which I think is one of

1932
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 3: the great all time psych albums, and different artists that

1933
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 3: kind of went into that direction. You don't even kind

1934
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 3: of put Miles Davis a little bit in there with

1935
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 3: with oh Yah, you know, jazz Fuse and Bitches Brew.

1936
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 4: But this album is the.

1937
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 3: Further Adventures of Charles Westover by Del Shannon and Del Shannon.

1938
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 3: If you're not familiar with him, he was a crooner,

1939
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: like that's what he's most known for being, was like

1940
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 3: a like early nineteen sixties krooner. He's had the hit

1941
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 3: single Runaway, and then in nineteen sixty eight he dove

1942
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: into the psychedelic genre and did this album that is

1943
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 3: very very under the radar. Not a lot of people

1944
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: know about it at all. It's like this anomaly in

1945
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 3: his discography that is just a pure psychedelic rush. Incredible instrumentation,

1946
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 3: again similar to Forever Changes with like a lot of

1947
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 3: different string instruments and things like that, where Del Shannon

1948
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 3: went psychedelic for this album, and it's just I think

1949
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: it's an absolute masterpiece of his discography where he kind

1950
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 3: of did three or four years of kind of more

1951
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 3: psychedelic rock, and this album is just like, it's an

1952
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 3: absolutely brilliant, brilliant album from someone who was again known

1953
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 3: for being kind of like this, this heart throbbed crooner

1954
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 3: going into the direction of psychedelic rock eventually would go

1955
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: on to join the Traveling Wilburies for a cup of

1956
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 3: coffee as well.

1957
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: That's a good factoid. I didn't even know that factoroid. Actually,

1958
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: here's what I love about that and whether that's whether

1959
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: that's a desperate move to try to stay with the times,

1960
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: or that's just the evolution of his own musicianship. I

1961
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 2: haven't heard that album, but I'm definitely intrigued. You also

1962
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 2: told me about that psychedelic classic that the Zombies put out.

1963
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 2: You asked me if I like the Zombies. I'm like, yeah, man,

1964
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 2: I had their greatest hits of their sort of like

1965
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: mid sixties. You know, she's not their era, but they

1966
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 2: also went in that same psychedelic direction kind of unannounced

1967
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: and really found some gold as well.

1968
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1969
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 4: Right here, I know I've got it kicking around here.

1970
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 4: Where's my signed copy of Odyssey in Oracle right here,

1971
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 4: signed by the Coln Blundstone.

1972
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the next level. I mean, you deal records,

1973
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 2: you have rare ones, You're you're a a connoisseur on

1974
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 2: a very high level. For my second recommendation, though, I'm

1975
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,839
Speaker 2: gonna get a little weird. Look Todd Rundgren in general,

1976
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: you'd say a choired taste, right right erin absolutely absolutely well,

1977
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: his nineteen seventy do classic Something Anything is the ultimate paradise.

1978
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate you know, a four sided record

1979
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 2: where on three of the sides he plays every single instrument.

1980
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 2: Is the producer, the sound engineer. I mean, he's one

1981
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 2: of those next level geniuses. But the record he put

1982
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 2: out after that one, right, that one had all the

1983
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: big radio hits that we know Todd Runggren for Hello,

1984
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: It's Me, you know, all the ones. The one he

1985
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: put out afterwards called a Wizard Coma A true star

1986
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy three. Yo, there's something wild going on here.

1987
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: First of all, one of my favorite album covers, without question,

1988
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: just pure art rock, psychedelic screaming on it. But Aaron

1989
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 2: I tried this record for like six months and was like,

1990
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell's going on. I don't

1991
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: understand this. This is for Runggren being kind of weird

1992
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,919
Speaker 2: to begin with, whether you like him for his progressive

1993
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: rock work with Utopia or just that crazy over the

1994
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 2: top power pop, this record is a next level move.

1995
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 2: To read the history though, and find out that he

1996
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: discovered acid in the middle of this that informs it

1997
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 2: a lot. But when you see that, when you listen

1998
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: to the totality a Total and you put on the

1999
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 2: headphones and you sit in the a throw and you

2000
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 2: really go after it, what you have here is not

2001
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,879
Speaker 2: just a psychedelic meets progressive meets art rock avant classic.

2002
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: You have like this concept album where, to be fair,

2003
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm not even at the point where I understand the concept,

2004
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: but the idea that we have nineteen songs and most

2005
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: of them are under two minutes, so it becomes this

2006
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 2: flowing medley of weirdness. Now, there are going to be

2007
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 2: some tracks in here that I don't know if I'll

2008
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: ever come to terms with because they are bizarre. They

2009
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: are next level. But once you begin to get this record,

2010
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 2: if you get that far, you see why it is

2011
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 2: a five star record. You see the acclaim it has

2012
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 2: in this weird avant space which look a pop it's

2013
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: really hit. It's the ultimate hit or miss. It can

2014
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: be hit or miss within the same album. I'm starting

2015
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: to get what this record is doing. Yeah, yeah, you gotta.

2016
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 2: You might have to be on ascid Doug fully understand it.

2017
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: But it is a symphony, a flowing symphony of just

2018
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 2: crazy melodies, crazy sounds, and somehow it worked like my paintings,

2019
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 2: somehow it works, Aaron.

2020
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Todd Todd Runggren was such a genius that his

2021
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 3: genius convinced somebody to kill John Lennon.

2022
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 4: So I mean he must be must be pretty talented.

2023
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 2: Wait are you saying Mark David Chapman was influence. I

2024
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: thought he did that for Jodie Foster, sat for Todd

2025
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 2: Rung And.

2026
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 3: I think I'm thinking of the right story. I think

2027
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 3: Mark David Chapman was like obsessed with Todd Runggren as well,

2028
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 3: and as a president that almost got assassinated it wasn't it.

2029
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the dude that uh yeah, that tried to share.

2030
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 3: Mark David Chapman, if I remember the story correctly, was

2031
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 3: like so obsessed with how real the music of Todd

2032
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 3: Runggren was and that John Lennon was such a phony

2033
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 3: that like the voices in his head told him to

2034
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 3: do something about it.

2035
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 2: So well, I mean the phony element of that, a

2036
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 2: big run Gren guy. I didn't know the rung Gren

2037
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 2: Chapmin connection. I have to look into that. This interesting

2038
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 2: Chapman had the connection with a Catcher in the Rye

2039
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 2: by J. D. Salinger, which he had on him at

2040
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 2: the time of the killing, and the phoniness, which is

2041
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 2: a real theme in that book. You're right. The Jody

2042
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 2: Foster reference is for the guy I can't think of

2043
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: his name who who ended up shooting Brady and missed

2044
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: Reagan or caught Reagan but didn't finish him off. Weird, weird, weird.

2045
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 2: That's our Vinyl Rex just the same. If you're into

2046
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 2: what we're into, thank you for taking the time. You

2047
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 2: got any latest news on vinyl. Can you find anything

2048
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 2: outrageous over the top that blew you away?

2049
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: Well?

2050
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 3: I was in Japan in March and bought all kinds

2051
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 3: of and sorry in May maybe and bought all kinds

2052
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 3: of stuff. Like the amount of record stores in Japan

2053
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 3: is like, I mean, Japan is like everything is kind

2054
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 3: of excess in terms of like hobbies, like the hobbies

2055
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 3: that people are into, Like if you're into any sort

2056
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: of hobby, It's like Japan is like the place you

2057
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 3: want to go because it's so there's so much And

2058
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 3: the record store there were like just unbelievable.

2059
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, great idea of records.

2060
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 4: Keep track of all these records that I have kicking around.

2061
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm actually going to be on Saturday before

2062
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 3: the PA per view selling records at a local record

2063
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 3: store here, so stay tuned for information on that.

2064
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 4: If you'd like to come and buy.

2065
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,440
Speaker 2: You're doing an A Bron pop up in Toronto.

2066
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 4: On the patio of a record store on Saturday from.

2067
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 2: Your own personal collection, which is disgusting.

2068
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 4: People want to buy a piece of me? Whose pieces

2069
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 4: of me? Is that Emmy Lou Harris? Somebody wants to

2070
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 4: buy a piece of.

2071
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 2: Me that's jewel? That's actually jewel?

2072
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 4: Not yeah, what album I thinking about Emmy la Harris.

2073
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 2: But either way, I mean she might have had.

2074
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 3: If you want, if you want to buy a piece

2075
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 3: of me, like like the Jewel album as a DC,

2076
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 3: point out where's that reference counter?

2077
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 4: Where that where's that? Then you can you can do

2078
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:39,639
Speaker 4: that on Saturday.

2079
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,439
Speaker 2: Meant for me and I was meant for years.

2080
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I actually saw Jewel live. This is an interesting

2081
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 3: This is the weirdest festival lineup you'll ever hear. So

2082
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 3: I saw Neil Young and Crazy Horse, Oasis, Spiritualized Jewel,

2083
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,040
Speaker 3: the Gin Blossoms and what was the last End and

2084
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 3: what was the grunge band Screaming Trees. They were all

2085
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 3: on the same bill. It was like one of the

2086
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 3: first concerts I ever saw when I was in grade

2087
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 3: eight at the Moulson Park and Berry and that that was.

2088
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 2: The night you became a man. Indeed, what Prime ninety

2089
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 2: four Jewel?

2090
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it would have been, Yeah, that would have

2091
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 3: been ninety ninety It would have been before I think

2092
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 3: her first alban Kan I was like really earlier, maybe

2093
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 3: right when.

2094
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,280
Speaker 2: Psthelkina post homelessness, right post.

2095
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 4: Homelessness, it might have been living on like the tour bus.

2096
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 2: But you know, really most of my my heroes have

2097
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 2: lived in their car, right and Ghanu Rousey Jewel.

2098
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 4: Well in ghan who lived in the parking lot? Neither

2099
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 4: did you live in the car?

2100
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 2: Eventually, I mean it's all the same at the end

2101
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 2: of the day. Hey, UFC two Diety two this weekend, Uh,

2102
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fired up enjoyed. We're gonna be back

2103
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 2: Friday with Shaquille MAJORI. We're gonna have some picks for you.

2104
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be their Saturday post fight with a live show. Aaron,

2105
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 2: you do great work at TSN. Should people be tuning

2106
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 2: in for anything coming up around the corner? Yeah?

2107
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,000
Speaker 3: Like I said, you like can go to the TSN's

2108
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 3: YouTube and watch a lot night interviews there. TSN dotc

2109
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 3: a slash UFC, Aaron dot Report. Vote for me at

2110
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 3: the World m May Awards and that's all I got

2111
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 3: for you BC.

2112
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same people that make seventeen dummy email accounts

2113
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 2: because they love us so much to vote for us,

2114
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: knowing that afterwards people will blame us for asking our

2115
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 2: people to vote for us. I'm going to ask you

2116
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 2: vote for a bron Let's give this guy a chance. Okay,

2117
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 2: speaking with.

2118
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Speaker 4: Me as a connection with any Russan troll farms, let

2119
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 4: me know Russin bot farms. Yeah, you go, I mean

2120
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Speaker 4: the market parent.

2121
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: Aaron's like, I'm not afraid to win dirty air.

2122
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Speaker 7: It is.

2123
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, thank you to our

2124
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 2: great producers Gaff Pierre Long Island Luke behind the scenes.

2125
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 2: Later today, on the Showtime Sports YouTube account. You can

2126
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 2: watch day two. I think it's a two thirty Eastern start,

2127
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 2: not really sure. Canelo versus Charlo the LA side of

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Speaker 2: that presser as we continue to get fired up for

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Speaker 2: that fight. That's the show though. Hope you enjoyed it

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Speaker 2: on this hump day. Really the fastest, most efficient and

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Speaker 2: an electric ninety minutes in combat sports aeron and anytime

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Speaker 2: you come by these parts, we're happy to have.

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Speaker 9: You, sir.

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Speaker 4: That's an absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 3: I'm away happy to do it, hopefully looking a good

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Speaker 3: vacation clearing head.

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Speaker 2: I hope as well. I hope the Elvis Costello of

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Speaker 2: m M A uh, my name is BC and we've

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Speaker 2: been Morning Combat and it's just it's just great to

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Speaker 2: be in your life, Okay, So take care of yourself

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Speaker 2: up here, and I got two words for you.

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Speaker 7: We out