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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's Friday. What a spectacular showcase of

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Speaker 1: talent last night. We're live. We're in Chicago. It's The Herd.

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Speaker 1: Robert Mays, super sharp from the athletic he'll be joining us.

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Speaker 1: Great football show. Yeah, so many superlatives for last night.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again with Sam Darnold, he became the

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Speaker 1: first quarterback in NFL history to win twelve games back

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Speaker 1: to back years for different teams. And sometimes like Andrew Luck,

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Speaker 1: who I camped him, I said, it was a less

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Speaker 1: talented Andrew Luck. It can be shoppy, it can be

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Speaker 1: sometimes you scratch your head at the picks. But one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite qualities of quarterbacks is a short memory.

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Speaker 1: And the Rams have absolutely had Donald's number. I remember

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Speaker 1: Brady used to struggle with the New York Giants in

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Speaker 1: that pass rush. There are coaches that give certain quarterbacks issues.

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Speaker 1: Donald in his last thirty nine starts with four different teams,

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Speaker 1: because he did start a game for the Niners, is

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Speaker 1: thirty and nine, four different coaching staffs. He won in Carolina, big,

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, now in Seattle. You know, last night was

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Speaker 1: choppy early, but he came back and we'll talk more

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Speaker 1: about that. So we've had a pretty good year on

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Speaker 1: blazing five fifty seven percent. Let's roll.

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Speaker 3: Let's blaze it up right up. It's Collins Blazon five

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Speaker 3: Dockers at Bears.

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Speaker 1: I like the Bears at home minus one and a half.

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Speaker 1: They're eight and two over their last ten games, and

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Speaker 1: those losses are only road losses. Caleb Williams has one

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Speaker 1: or fewer giveaways and all fourteen starts, so they won't

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Speaker 1: give the game away. And the defense, like most defenses,

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Speaker 1: is better at home. It's number six in the league.

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Speaker 1: I like the roster, and they're much healthier than Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: By the way, teams that play the Broncos, which the

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Speaker 1: playing Denver. They're beat up, missing several stars, not just starters.

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Speaker 1: Run game for the Packers feels dead. Run game for

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Speaker 1: the Bears. Been on fire all season. I like the

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Speaker 1: Bears to win and cover twenty seven to twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Viking said, Giants upset.

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Speaker 1: I like New York here for their last five losses

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Speaker 1: by one score. They are running the ball last six

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Speaker 1: they're pounding the rock. Jackson Dart, I was wrong. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think of me as good as a rookie as

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Speaker 1: And the Vikings they've lost four of their last six.

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Speaker 1: Their wins are over two atrocious defenses, Commanders and Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. I'm gonna take the better quarterback at home.

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Speaker 1: blue ten. I'll take the points. Giants win twenty eight

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Speaker 1: the week. I'll take Cincinnati minus four and a half.

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Speaker 1: They've scored thirty points in two of their last three games.

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Speaker 1: in the team did against the Ravens. Joe Burrow This

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Speaker 1: In Week sixteen and eighteen in his career, he's seven

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Speaker 1: the Commanders, and now they're starting Quinn Yours. I have

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Speaker 2: Cover Patriots and Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I don't get this line. I'm going to take the

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Speaker 1: Outgained their opponents in nine straight games coming off a loss,

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Speaker 1: touching story. His passer rating was seventy three. He averaged

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Speaker 1: This offense, I mean again, Philip Rivers a great story.

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Speaker 1: I like the Niners to win and cover thirty four

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Speaker 5: But I'm against you on one two games.

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Speaker 4: I do love the Bears and Niners.

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Speaker 1: I like this bull play all right. And with that,

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Speaker 1: him as the Athletic Football podcast show host. His name

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Speaker 1: is Robert Mays. Joining our show again. You know I

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Speaker 1: said this about Sam Darnold. It's kind of a funny

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Speaker 1: there is something Robert about He has a short memory.

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Speaker 1: His body language does I mean there's something to be said.

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Speaker 1: It's always been my knock on Aaron Rodgers. I can

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Speaker 1: I kind of love what Donald did last night.

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Speaker 6: What was your takeaway if you think about the mental

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Speaker 6: the things he's come back from and now playing at

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Speaker 6: I just think this is the Sam Donald experience. There

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Speaker 6: oh man, Sam, you've got to get rid of the ball,

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Speaker 6: or like I cannot believe he threw that, But then

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Speaker 6: That throw to Cooper Cup on that corner route, Why

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Speaker 6: has elite moments as a passer, and if you're going

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Speaker 6: And I kind of just think that's what the Sam

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Speaker 1: You know, I told my staff this morning I would

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Speaker 1: give Josh Allen the MVP over Stafford. And here's why

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Speaker 1: you saw it last night. Josh is great in the

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Speaker 1: second half, and that's not scripted. There are times where

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Speaker 1: seen Mahomes do this in Super Bowls. The Rams offense,

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Speaker 1: Robert can get stuck and last night I think they

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Speaker 1: It's a reality. He may be the last great pure

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Speaker 6: I think it's a reminder that their run game is

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Speaker 6: When you put them in third and defined pass and

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what you saw last night. They

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Speaker 1: So listen, I have made my case that I like

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Speaker 1: the greater athlete the higher ceiling. I think bow Nicks

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Speaker 6: I just think he looks so much more comfortable within

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Speaker 6: like that touchdown of Dj Moore. For me, it's about

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Speaker 6: consistent ball placement. I don't think there was a single

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna rip it into this window. But what I

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, Todd McShay said, when he talked to GMS last

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton. What do the analytics say? He has been uneven.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't like moral victories.

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Speaker 6: I understand if you're a Niners fan and the fact

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Speaker 6: Now they're just two banged up on the defensive side

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Speaker 6: And that's okay. This was supposed to be like a

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Speaker 6: the most part, they've been everything that you have wanted

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Speaker 1: This thing in twenty twenty six, and maybe it's the

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Speaker 1: Let's go back Robert Mays. One more question, Seahawks, Rams,

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Speaker 1: Jamack and I believe that when you really look of

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Speaker 6: I don't know if there are certain elements of the

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Speaker 1: To worry about. Yeah, the Niners game, they missed a

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Speaker 1: and what a great game. Robert Mays. The Athletic Football

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Speaker 1: Show podcast is outstanding at Robert Mays love having you

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Speaker 1: on the show. Your insight, your intellect. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend any time. Con thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: They're bad special teams. We're gonna double down, give up

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the other team in the division, the forty

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Speaker 1: of a run game, a little bit Jmack with a news.

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Speaker 2: No no heard on the news. This is thead line news.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Bears are good, so we're gonna keep talking

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Speaker 5: about them.

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Speaker 4: Colin.

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Speaker 5: They are ten and four. Ben Johnson is cooking. Caleb

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Speaker 5: Williams is kind of mid, but he's winning games.

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Speaker 4: That's all that matters.

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Speaker 5: Remember Mike Martz, the offensive mastermind of those Greatest Show

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Speaker 5: on Turf teams. He believes Chicago has found themselves a

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Speaker 5: gem in Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 8: First of all, I think he's once in a generation coach.

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Speaker 8: I think he's very unique. To hear home run with him.

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Speaker 8: I think he'll be there for a very long time.

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Speaker 8: He'll be extremely successful. And he's the one guy that

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Speaker 8: can take care of them and help him make that

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Speaker 8: transition to become not just a good quarterback, a great quarterback.

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Speaker 8: So the Bears first of all, got it right here.

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Speaker 8: You know, they got that duo that should be together

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Speaker 8: for quite some time and have a lot of success.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's special, and you know, it's still one of

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Speaker 1: the poorest, weirdest ownership groups. I don't know where I

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Speaker 1: stand on Robert Ryan Poles. He's he's done some good stuff.

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Speaker 1: This roster is pretty good. Got to give him credit,

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Speaker 1: But I think the glue that holds all of it

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Speaker 1: together is Ben Johnson. He pulls it all together.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Ben Johnson has been spectacular.

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Speaker 5: We got some numbers here, Colin, and it was evident

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Speaker 5: in like the first month of the season that this

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Speaker 5: is now a run first team. That's what Ben did

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Speaker 5: with the Detroit team. The run sets up all the

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Speaker 5: passing schemes. Look at this rushing improvement year over year,

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Speaker 5: biggest in the NFL. They got Swift and Manungai, who's

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Speaker 5: come out of nowhere to be pretty damn good. And

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Speaker 5: so when you have that run, the threat of it,

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Speaker 5: the defenses have to come up and respect it, and

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Speaker 5: then all of a sudden you got the wide open

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Speaker 5: stuff downfield. DJ Moore cooking, we'll see what Luther Burden emerges.

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Speaker 5: Roma Dunze, that injury concerned me a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I like the Bears here this weekend against the Packers.

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Speaker 5: I do like Ben Johnson a lot. I'm just wondering

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Speaker 5: Coach of the Year is he? I mean, there's some

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Speaker 5: really really good candidates. Obviously Sean Payton, but you.

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Speaker 1: Know Shanahan, Sean Payton. But Sean Payton's got now the

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Speaker 1: richest owners in the sport and the hands off.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't I don't want that to hold that

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Speaker 5: against him.

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Speaker 1: Vote no.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: If I consider everything, it's like Josh Allen's my MVP

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Speaker 1: over Matt Stafford because he can run, I get, I

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Speaker 1: get bonuses. So what I mean that's bottom line is

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Speaker 1: Matt's a pocket guys, you know, and I think in

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Speaker 1: big games, I want a guy that can pick up

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Speaker 1: first downs with his feet. When I look at a coach,

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Speaker 1: what are you overcoming? It's much easier to have Stan

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Speaker 1: Kronkey as a head coach than the mccaskeys. It's much easier.

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Speaker 1: So the Denver I mean, I think again, Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs last year. I think what Ben is

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Speaker 1: overcoming the history he had to rebuild the culture Caleb.

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Speaker 1: I think Ben's got you know, Vrabel's going to be

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Speaker 1: way up there too, because I still I don't I

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Speaker 1: think Chicago's roster is better than New England's. But now

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Speaker 1: he's he's He's tied for the fourth best odds.

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Speaker 5: The fact that Ben Johnson has the Bears in this

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Speaker 5: position when of the seven playoff teams in the NFC,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry the Bears have the weakest quarterback

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Speaker 5: of those seven. You know, I think I'm sorry. Baker

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Speaker 5: Mayfield right now is a better quarterback than Caleb. Not much,

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Speaker 5: But you got the worst quarterback of the seven and

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Speaker 5: you're doing that well.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Ben's been tremendous. I think he's probably maybe my my pick.

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Speaker 4: For coach of the year. All right, let's go to

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Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys. Colin.

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Speaker 5: We know they've got about a one percent chance at

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Speaker 5: the postseason. Some might say, hey, Dallas should just shut

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Speaker 5: it down if they lose this one, but Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 5: No way, he is not sitting out, no tanking for Dak.

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Speaker 9: Being a professional, this is my job, this is what

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Speaker 9: I love to do, you know, sitting out last year

516
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Speaker 9: and the times before. You don't take getting to play

517
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Speaker 9: this game for grants. You play every game to win.

518
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Speaker 9: You play every game win. You get a chance to

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Speaker 9: go to the playoffs and play in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 9: And unfortunately it's not always the case. And if that's

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Speaker 9: not the case, when we take the field or whatever

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Speaker 9: it may be, I'm thankful for the opportunity to play

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Speaker 9: this game and I'm not going to ever pass it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's interesting about Dallas if you start

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Speaker 1: looking at divisions and you start looking at the coaches

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Speaker 1: that are gonna win divisions, Mike Rabele, Sean Payton, perhaps

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, who's been a home run just you know,

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Speaker 1: Shanahan or McVeigh or Mike McDonald. Tomlin's a legend, and

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Speaker 1: Jerry still goes discount double check on head coach. The

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Speaker 1: whole thing with the Cowboys is they've done a lot right,

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Speaker 1: but start looking right now this morning, who's winning these divisions?

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Mike Rabel, Sean Pate And then even wild

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Speaker 1: card coaches could be John Harball, Jim Harball, Kyle Shanahan. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying quarterback is less important than coach, but

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Speaker 1: certainly in the Chicago situation or the Jacksonville situation, you

536
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Speaker 1: have to overcome years of poor culture, and yet Dallas

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Speaker 1: goes cheap on coaches. It's just it's like one of

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Speaker 1: those things. It's a blind spot for a really smart

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Speaker 1: guy in Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Colin, If I said to you, how many playoff

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Speaker 5: games will Dak Prescott win in the next three years? Okay, Now,

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Speaker 5: there's a lot that goes into a draft, free agency,

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Speaker 5: but that's probably all that. Jerry's going to be around

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Speaker 5: the like instrumental with the team, right given his age.

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Speaker 5: Will Dak win one playoff game in the next three years? Yes, seriously,

546
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Speaker 5: you know one. If you're not going to spend money

547
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 5: to come to the playoffs to win a playoff game,

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Speaker 5: they ain't getting there this year. They got a lot

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Speaker 5: of work to do in this offseason, and the NFC,

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Speaker 5: as you talked about, is greatly elevated.

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Speaker 1: NFC is better than the AFC this year. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the NFC versus AFC games are but eyes roster.

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Speaker 1: The better rosters right now are absolutely NB are on

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Speaker 1: Fox NFC games. They just like that game last night.

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Speaker 1: There's no AFC matchup that would look like the rams Seahawks.

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Speaker 4: There is no Ravens Bill's.

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Speaker 2: Ravens Bill.

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Speaker 1: Rosser is not close to that, not close to that good.

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Speaker 5: So the problem with Dallas is Jaden Daniels is going

560
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 5: to be healthy next year, okay, and Jared Goff and

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Speaker 5: the Lions are gonna find an offensive coordinator. Those two

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Speaker 5: teams are gonna be better than Dallas next year. So

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Speaker 5: I mean, Dallas is probably starting this offseason like tenth

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Speaker 5: in the NFC colin if we're being real, is that fair?

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Speaker 5: Do you know how big of an uphill climb that

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Speaker 5: is to get to the playoffs, much less play a game.

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Speaker 1: Also, Jackson Darts played well better. He'll probably better in

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Speaker 1: year two, probably.

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Speaker 4: Assuming he beats out Mendoza.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, anyways, I'm just I like Dak by the way,

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Speaker 5: this holiday season, I'm thankful for Dak Prescott giving us

572
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Speaker 5: great soundbites every week. I don't know if any quarterback

573
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Speaker 5: this year has been better giving us just good sound bites.

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Speaker 5: He sounds awesome. Final story, Colin Drake May of the

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Speaker 5: New England Patriots.

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Speaker 4: Man, he's had a great season.

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Speaker 5: He was in the m v P mix and all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden that loss of the Bills kind of

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Speaker 5: dropped him down a peg.

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Speaker 4: Then Stafford went off last night.

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Speaker 5: Uh, here's Drake mate talking about his perspective of the

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Speaker 5: MVP award.

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Speaker 10: You know, the MVP is it's off the uh you know,

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Speaker 10: one of the big accolades for for this league, and it's, uh,

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Speaker 10: you know something that you know, it's honor as a

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Speaker 10: player to you know, earn their award and respect to

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Speaker 10: me all the past MVPs.

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Speaker 11: But I think at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 11: winning the super Bowl is the biggest thing, and I

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Speaker 11: think it's what kind of makes makes this league go

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Speaker 11: is winning the big one, and that's what you work

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Speaker 11: towards and that's what this game's about.

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Speaker 1: If you how about this, if you could win one

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Speaker 1: super Bowl but never win an m v P, or

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Speaker 1: you win four m vps. Now we know super Bowls

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Speaker 1: the ultimate prize, but do you think Aaron Rodgers would

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Speaker 1: give up three of his MVPs for another Super Bowl?

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Speaker 5: Well as someone who many men's basketball leagues.

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Speaker 4: I would trade every MVV for championships. That's undeniable.

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Speaker 5: I think Lebron, any of the superstars would rather be

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Speaker 5: champions than win MVP awards. You're the best in the sport.

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Speaker 5: You would take that into heartbeatome. At least that's my perspective.

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Speaker 5: Are you thinking otherwiser?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I mean, like Eli Manning, I take his career over

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Speaker 1: Aaron's because I got two Super Bowl wins. I'm not saying.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying different discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying he's better. Yeah, I'm saying I,

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Speaker 1: given the choice of the two, Eli Manning two and

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Speaker 1: zero in Super Bowls, beat Brady and Belichick in both

611
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Speaker 1: two of the most iconic throws Mario Manningham, David Tyree

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Speaker 1: maybe d two most iconic throws, certainly in the class.

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Speaker 1: Like I to me, I'm about winning the awards. Stuff's

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Speaker 1: nice legacy, but the winning thing. I'm in the minority here.

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Speaker 1: People would take like a bunch of MVPs, no super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Why do you think you're in the.

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Speaker 1: Minority because I think I think people like awards. I'm

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Speaker 1: not an awards guy.

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Speaker 4: I likes the war.

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Speaker 5: I mean we're not talking about an oscar. By the way,

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Speaker 5: who's the MVP. Who's the MVP of the league ten

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Speaker 5: years ago? Nobody knows you start talking who won the

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl?

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Speaker 4: You know, people remember super Bowls.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they remember MVPs in the NFL the

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Speaker 5: way they matter.

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Speaker 1: And like, I could not tell you off the top

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Speaker 1: of my head how many Tom Brady has four three.

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Speaker 5: You don't even know how many Mahomes has several. But

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Speaker 5: we know he's a super Bowl winner. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: that's a no brainer. By the way, I don't think

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen's totally done with the MVP.

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Speaker 4: I think he's in the mix. They play the Eagles

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Speaker 4: next week.

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Speaker 5: How about this. I looked at the schedule. There's only

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Speaker 5: two games at four o'clock next week. One of them

637
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Speaker 5: is Giants Raiders. The other on Fox is Bill's hosting

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Speaker 5: the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: And if Josh plays great, he's.

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Speaker 4: In the mix.

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Speaker 5: But remember who votes for this stuff, And you know

642
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Speaker 5: they like old guys.

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Speaker 4: Stafford just had a really good game.

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Speaker 5: They was they didn't lose last night because the Stafford

645
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Speaker 5: right Stafford was tremendous.

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Speaker 1: The special teams were brutal. Not to now they did

647
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Speaker 1: settle for field goals.

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Speaker 4: Nodvante, But yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's part of it. But you got

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Speaker 1: to give Seattle defense credit too. It's hard to score

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Speaker 1: in congested areas.

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, they gave them five.

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Speaker 1: I can't know what they were good at they were

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Speaker 1: who cares? They gave up field goals more than touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: You got to give Seattle to defense credit, Ben, But

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Speaker 1: don't break in the red zone. They forced four field

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Speaker 1: goal attempts. That's a win to me. Okay, j McK

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Speaker 1: with the.

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Speaker 3: News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: I think most fans would disagree with me. I think

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Speaker 1: they take Aaron's career over Eli's and I would just

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Speaker 1: want the other super Bowl. I don't know, I you know,

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Speaker 1: it'd be an easier decision. If Eli had one MVP,

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Speaker 1: then it'd be an easy one. I'll take one MVP

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Speaker 1: in two Super Bowls over no MVPs and two super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to diminish what Aaron's done, but it

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Speaker 1: is when you think of Eli Manning like he beat

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Speaker 1: the goat twice in Super Bowls, that's a whole different legacy.

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Speaker 1: That's a that is Belichick and Brady for twenty years,

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Speaker 1: sort of define the league. Who beat him Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: twice in Super Bowls. That's all time stuff to me.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 3: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: We got a big East Big Ten battle on Fox

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Speaker 5: College Hoops Friday as Villanova takes on Wisconsin. It all

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Speaker 5: tips off tonight at eight eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's I think one of the things I love,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps this is what I love about sports as

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Speaker 1: a whole more than anything. I like when it changes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a traditionally like I don't watch bulls anymore,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a huge college football fan. There was on

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Speaker 1: one on TV today it was twenty seven to nothing,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, nobody's going to the games.

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Speaker 1: Like I just get over stuff pretty fast that way.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a traditionalist person, didn't go to church much

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Speaker 1: as a kid. Whatever. I think what's interesting about football,

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Speaker 1: and I've brought this up before, how valuable is completion

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Speaker 1: percentage anymore?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 1: When it used to be more valuable? Do you know what.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's all time is sixty four percent, and in

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Speaker 1: his first six years it was much lower. Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: sixty three and a half percent, Brett Farb sixty two percent,

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Speaker 1: Andrew luck who I loved, sixty one percent. Now much

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Speaker 1: better offensive coaches, mobility is much more important. People are

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Speaker 1: like Caleb Williams fifty eight and a half percent. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to read you this. Caleb has improved,

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Speaker 1: has a better passer rating this year, more passing yards

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Speaker 1: per game, more passing touchdowns, more rushing touchdowns, and more

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Speaker 1: big plays twenty plus all improvements. More importantly, way fewer

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Speaker 1: sacks twenty three this year, fifty eight at this time

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Speaker 1: last year, so massive improvement. The Bears offense has also

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Speaker 1: jumped to top five in the league. It was thirty

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Speaker 1: second last year. Caleb now is second in game winning

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Speaker 1: drives and tied for the most fourth quarter quarterback wins,

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Speaker 1: tied for the most fourth quarter comebacks. Excuse me, so

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Speaker 1: he's much better Layden games. He wins more every stat,

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Speaker 1: team stat, personal stat up up up. Also on third

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Speaker 1: down this year when trailing, that's a big separator. Haves

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Speaker 1: and have nots seven passing touchdowns third down when trailer

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Speaker 1: best in the league, including Stafford and everybody. His passer

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Speaker 1: rating in the league when trailing one best in the league.

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Speaker 1: His TDD interception ratio on third down win trailing best

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Speaker 1: in the league is completion percentage when trailing is second best.

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Speaker 1: But he's not real accurate. He's fifty eight percent. So

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Speaker 1: my take is, I've been on this for like two months.

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Speaker 1: How much does it matter? He's accurate what he needs

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Speaker 1: to be. I used to be a sports anchor. We

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Speaker 1: used to have a joke, when the red light comes on,

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Speaker 1: can you read when the camera's on? Can you get

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Speaker 1: through it and not stumble? Nobody cares about rehearsal. Same

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Speaker 1: with Saturday Night Live and Broadway when they're in their.

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Speaker 2: Seats, Go time.

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Speaker 1: Are you magic? He is great on thurn down. He's

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Speaker 1: great TV interception when it matters. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: watched him last week. I thought he was great. Robert

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Speaker 1: Mays earlier on Caleb's accuracy. To me, it's about consistent

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Speaker 1: ball placement. I don't think there was a single throw

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Speaker 1: over that entire first half and maybe even the game

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Speaker 1: where I'm like, a he kind of wants that one

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Speaker 1: back and you see his ability to drive the ball.

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Speaker 6: That's what he does best, intermediate over the middle, off

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Speaker 6: play action. I'm gonna rip it into this window. But

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Speaker 6: what I really liked in the Browns game is that

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Speaker 6: you saw him shaping some touch throws accurately. And if

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Speaker 6: he can start to harness every single club in his bag,

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Speaker 6: that's where a guy with his talent level becomes like

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Speaker 6: truly scary. And I think we're trending in that direction.

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Speaker 1: So think about this, Matt Stafford's gonna make the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. You get no mobility. He completed sixty three percent.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady the goat, no mobility in the pocket, sure

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Speaker 1: out of the pocket, no sixty four percent. So like

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Speaker 1: if those guys are legends without the mobility, I always said,

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Speaker 1: I kind of think the line for Caleb is sixty

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Speaker 1: one and a half percent. That kind of feels like

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Speaker 1: where he kind of needs to be. But I'm go

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Speaker 1: look at the numbers. Team numbers, fourth quarter numbers, when

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Speaker 1: trailing numbers, They're unbelievable. He's just you know, in basketball,

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't even argue this. If you were a great

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter player in basketball, we would not care for

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Speaker 1: a second, about your first half numbers, right, because in

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Speaker 1: the NBA it's like, well, nobody really hustles until the

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Speaker 1: final five minutes. That's not true, but we wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: argue about it. Same in baseball. If you did not

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Speaker 1: get a hit in your first two at bats all season,

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Speaker 1: but you hit three sixty on your third at bat

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Speaker 1: and three ninety on your fourth at bat, people would

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Speaker 1: be like, clutch. But we lose a lot of sleep

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Speaker 1: on you know, some of the early script that stuff.

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Speaker 1: First half. You know, it's not pretty. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like I what we said in the offseason, and I

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Speaker 1: think you thought this too. This wasn't like us coming

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Speaker 1: up with it. The number one thing was, dude, you

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Speaker 1: got to cut down on the sacks for your own

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Speaker 1: health and because it's negative plays, you just got to

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Speaker 1: get out of sacks. Like the other night we watched

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Speaker 1: two against the Steedlers, it's like brutal. Forget the incomplacency

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Speaker 1: of these awful sacks. Belichick talking about Brady, what's the

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Speaker 1: best thing about him? He didn't take sacks, No negative

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Speaker 1: plays played in front of the sticks. That was my

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Speaker 1: number one thing I said before the season. I don't

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Speaker 1: care about wins. Get to seven, I'm good. Cut the

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Speaker 1: sacks in half. He's done that. So and all the

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Speaker 1: other components up up, up up. I think when you

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Speaker 1: look at Caleb Williams numbers when trailing, that to me

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Speaker 1: has always been to have and have not line of demarcation.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good with the lead. Sam Darnold last night, that's impressive.

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Speaker 1: It's impressive. Well, samso is impressive.

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Speaker 2: My bead.

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Speaker 1: All right, final hour, it's a good one.

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Speaker 8: Neck