WEBVTT - 2: The Massacre in Los Molinos

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<v Speaker 1>Novel. A listener note this episode contains violence and content

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<v Speaker 1>that some listeners might find distressing. Previously on deliver Us

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<v Speaker 1>from Herbal, Welcome to Colonia Labert. Well, yeah, come and

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<v Speaker 1>say hi to Jesse's. We were going to Zion, a

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<v Speaker 1>place for Jesus to return. I was all prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>see a beautiful, wonderful place. We wanted to tell Joel

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<v Speaker 1>what to do, because he wanted Joel to do everything

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<v Speaker 1>more perfect and more professional, and Joel wasn't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the dictims of that cult was if you

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<v Speaker 1>ever left, you would be killed. Non's if some butts

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<v Speaker 1>about it. My brother says that he heard noises and

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<v Speaker 1>discussions and then all of the sudden, some shots they

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<v Speaker 1>killed him. The actual killing of my dad and brutal,

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<v Speaker 1>cold blah. They kill him right here. On the twentie

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<v Speaker 1>Fagasteen seventy two August nineteen seventy two, the Mormon fundamentalists

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<v Speaker 1>of Colonial LeBaron are gathered at an airstrip in the

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<v Speaker 1>desert of Chihuahua. The sky is lit up by bright moonlight.

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<v Speaker 1>They're waiting for the body of their fallen prophet, Joel LeBaron,

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<v Speaker 1>the One Mighty and strong murdered in an ambush in

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<v Speaker 1>a town on the Baja coast of Mexico by disciples

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<v Speaker 1>of his brother Herbal Murder. We're talking about murder. Naoma

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<v Speaker 1>Stubbs was in the crowd that night at the airport.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel died when I was nine years old, and I

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<v Speaker 1>actually drove in the back of a truck when they

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<v Speaker 1>brought his casket to The gusts are on this airport,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember watching as they landed to bring his

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<v Speaker 1>casket home just before midnight. Huge floodlights flick on as

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<v Speaker 1>the plane descends lands and the doors open. Naoma presses

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<v Speaker 1>close with the rest of the crowd to see their

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<v Speaker 1>profits body. A pickup then backs up to the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel's casket is lifted into the truck bed for his

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<v Speaker 1>final short trip back to Colonial a Baron. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>all the men discussing what has to be done to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to take care of his body and bring

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<v Speaker 1>him home. Within days of bearing Joel, the focus of

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Colonial Aaron turned to Irville and his accomplices.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Joel's son Ivan identifying the killers, they had

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<v Speaker 1>no doubts these were the people responsible for the death

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<v Speaker 1>of Joel. He was our prophet and we all looked

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<v Speaker 1>up to him and admired. Plus on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>now they could murder any of us. Because if Erville

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<v Speaker 1>could have his own brother killed, the one mighty and strong,

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<v Speaker 1>surely no one was safe. He started threatening that he

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<v Speaker 1>was in a murder people if they didn't do what

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<v Speaker 1>he said. It was very terrorizing, that terror. It was

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<v Speaker 1>part of Herbal's plan to intimidate people so they'd fall

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<v Speaker 1>in line behind him, so they joined his cult. We

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<v Speaker 1>were always threatened. Nailma's mom, Larivee Stobs. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you this. Hervill thought that if he got rid

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<v Speaker 1>of Joel, that he could just move in and take

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<v Speaker 1>leadership with Joel's people. Well it didn't work, that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So the stage was set in Herbal's mind. At least

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<v Speaker 1>it was him against the world. From the Team's at

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<v Speaker 1>Novel and I Heart Radio. I'm Jesse Hyde and this

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<v Speaker 1>is deliver Us from Hervial Episode two, the Massacre and

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<v Speaker 1>Los Milinos. It was four when the phone calls started,

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<v Speaker 1>calls threatening the townsfolk of colonial LeBaron. I remember always

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<v Speaker 1>being fearful of him because as we were growing up

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<v Speaker 1>after he had murdered Joel. It was always the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of the I'm coming an attack in our town. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a phone and they would send messages and say

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<v Speaker 1>they're threatening this or they're threatening that. Up until now,

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<v Speaker 1>the years since Joel Slang had largely been quiet, and

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<v Speaker 1>one big reason for that was Hervill had been in

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<v Speaker 1>prison following Joel's killing in seventy two. He had slipped

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<v Speaker 1>across the US border with Dan Jordan's who had killed

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<v Speaker 1>Joel and some other followers, and they cut a swath

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<v Speaker 1>across the American South, stayed in cheap motel rooms from

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<v Speaker 1>Texas to Tennessee, planning, scheming, never in one place for

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<v Speaker 1>more than a few days. But then, after several months

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<v Speaker 1>on the run, Herval did something really strange. He turned

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<v Speaker 1>himself in. It was a gamble, a huge gamble. Back then,

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<v Speaker 1>under Mexican law, a prosecutor only had seventy two hours

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<v Speaker 1>to gather evidence, and if they couldn't find enough for trial,

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<v Speaker 1>well then he was a freeman. So this sudden move

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<v Speaker 1>might give him an upper hand. But the gambit failed.

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<v Speaker 1>He was charged with the murder and sentenced to twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison in Mexico. That could and should have

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<v Speaker 1>been the end of it. But fourteen months later, the

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<v Speaker 1>appeals court reversed the conviction and Herville was released from prison,

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<v Speaker 1>an act of God, more likely a bribe to the

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<v Speaker 1>right official by a member of his cults. Once released

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<v Speaker 1>from prison in Mexico, he traveled north, back into the

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<v Speaker 1>US where he could put those fourteen months of brooding

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<v Speaker 1>and scheming into action. He told his followers of a

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<v Speaker 1>coming war, and back in colonial le Baron, those menacing

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls had started. He tried to scare people into

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<v Speaker 1>life and death like that, and people were scared so

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<v Speaker 1>that you had to be careful. Yeah, you did. Local

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<v Speaker 1>is like larive Stubs were spurred into action. The town

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<v Speaker 1>erected a watch tower on a hill. One resident even

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<v Speaker 1>put a siren on his roof. They were taking the

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<v Speaker 1>threats of violence from Herbyl's cult seriously. Naoma remembers armed

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<v Speaker 1>townsfolk patrolling the streets looking for anything suspicious. They would

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<v Speaker 1>shoot gunshots. So if you would hear those gunshots, you

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<v Speaker 1>knew that, Okay, everybody needs to take cover because we're

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<v Speaker 1>under threat. And that would happen all the time. Those nights.

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<v Speaker 1>We would put our sleeping bags in the weeds and

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in the ditches because we had threats on our town.

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<v Speaker 1>You would literally gather up the younger kids, leave the

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<v Speaker 1>house and then go to a ditch. Yeah, we had

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<v Speaker 1>a ditch in front of our house. Always had weeds

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<v Speaker 1>in it because of the water. And I would always

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<v Speaker 1>grow of sleeping, bagging, go jumping the ditch because the

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<v Speaker 1>fear was our roof was made out of wood, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he would throw a gas bomb on it, well,

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<v Speaker 1>our home would be in fire and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>run out and he would kill us. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>were in the ditch and you're being quiet and there's weeds,

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<v Speaker 1>don't never know. They wouldn't go in the ditches? In

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, how long would you stay in the dish?

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<v Speaker 1>Like all night? I remember one night being there all

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<v Speaker 1>night long and waking up there in the morning time.

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<v Speaker 1>How often do you remember it happening? I remember, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I probably went to the ditches nine twelve times.

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<v Speaker 1>For Naoma. This thing, she feared, this thing. She seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to almost see residents being drawn out of their homes

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<v Speaker 1>by bombs and fire, only to be gunned down as

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<v Speaker 1>they fled. A lot of people I talked to reporting

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<v Speaker 1>the story told me a vivid premonitions like this, And

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<v Speaker 1>if this sounds a bit crazy, I get it, I

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<v Speaker 1>really do. But here's an important thing to understand. Mormonism

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<v Speaker 1>is a religion of dreams and visions and prophecies of

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<v Speaker 1>magic in a way of the veil between heaven and

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<v Speaker 1>Earth being very thin. All Mormons believe that, whether they're

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentalists or someone like my parents. But here's the really

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<v Speaker 1>crazy thing. This vision of violence seen by Naoma, it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be right more after the break. I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in a very devout Mormon family. We were

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<v Speaker 1>not fundamentalist. We were part of the mainstream church. As

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I thought a lot about what I read

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<v Speaker 1>in scripture, and I think, like a lot of kids

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<v Speaker 1>raised in devoutly religious homes, be a Catholic, Muslim, evangelical,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought a lot about sin, and to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>I feared it. I feared the judgment of God. Looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to admit it probably wasn't healthy how often

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<v Speaker 1>I felt guilty. Mormonism teaches that you can be forgiven

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<v Speaker 1>of pretty much any sin unless you denied the Holy Ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you become something called a son of perdition. Growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know exactly what that meant. I just knew

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to be one, because a son of

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<v Speaker 1>perdition gets sent to a unique kind of hell, a

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<v Speaker 1>place Mormons call outer darkness, And I'll be honest, it

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<v Speaker 1>terrified me. I pictured like space and some little star

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<v Speaker 1>off all by itself, cold, alone, forever, no path to redemption.

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<v Speaker 1>It freaked me out. I say all of this because

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<v Speaker 1>when I tried to picture Herville, especially after he killed

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<v Speaker 1>his brother, when I try to think of him washing

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<v Speaker 1>the metaphorical blood from his hands, I can't help but

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<v Speaker 1>think of him as a son of perdition in his

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<v Speaker 1>own sort of outer darkness. Because Herville had crossed what

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<v Speaker 1>for me at least is an unimaginable line ordering the

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<v Speaker 1>slaying of his own brother, and as I see it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a demarcation point from which he would never return.

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<v Speaker 1>He was cast out from colonial a baron, eden zion home,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it, and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>his days would be spent in restless wandering, like Kine

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<v Speaker 1>after he killed his brother Abel in the Book of Genesis.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Herville felt a weight a darkness for killing

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<v Speaker 1>Joel if he felt even a semblance of that guilt

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<v Speaker 1>and shame I knew as a kid, he didn't show it.

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<v Speaker 1>The continued threats to Colonial LeBaron demonstrate that he simply

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<v Speaker 1>pressed on wandering through the darkness. And it was darkness

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<v Speaker 1>that was now spreading out from Colonial LeBaron and headed

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<v Speaker 1>across Mexico, falling across the Baja Coast. We're on Highway

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<v Speaker 1>of one in Mexico, which starts at the border right

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<v Speaker 1>after San Diego, and we have been driving in total

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<v Speaker 1>from the border were about three hours. And the highway

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<v Speaker 1>when you first get outside of Tijuana, it's just stunningly beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>just hugs the ocean. There are hotels right on the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>then these little Mexican towns, and then the first kind

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<v Speaker 1>of big town you come to is Rosarita, and then

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<v Speaker 1>an hour so after that in Sonata. But we are

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<v Speaker 1>driving toward a town called Los Molina's. If in Colonial

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<v Speaker 1>Labaron Joel had yearned to create the next kingdom of

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<v Speaker 1>God on Earth, you might say Los Molinos was heaven spillover.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the major outposts of Colonial l

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<v Speaker 1>Abaron where Joel and Irville had attracted converts as their

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<v Speaker 1>church numbers started to swell. Los Milinos, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>Windmills in Spanish, is about an hour's drive from where

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<v Speaker 1>Joel was killed. As you pass down the highway, the

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<v Speaker 1>beauty of the landscape is unrelenting, the light that haze

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<v Speaker 1>from the ocean. You pass vineyards where you can stop

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<v Speaker 1>to drink delicious samples and eat local cheese, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the town appears across this vast flat plane of land.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little more barren and dry than the countryside

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<v Speaker 1>you've passed through. In the distance the shore of the

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<v Speaker 1>Sea of Cortez, and to the north, a steep hillside

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<v Speaker 1>overlooks Los Milinos. Back when Joel was still alive in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties, both he and Herville saw huge potential in

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<v Speaker 1>the town. I've got to be honest, sometimes, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in colonial LeBaron, out in the harsh desert, it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to understand why the LeBaron's thoughts such an

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<v Speaker 1>inhospitable place would be the best location for Zion. But

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<v Speaker 1>what you see when you pass along this coastline road

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<v Speaker 1>towards Los Milinos, well, it's much easier to imagine how

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<v Speaker 1>the LeBaron saw its promise for Joel and the people

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<v Speaker 1>who ran his church after his death. The opportunity they

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<v Speaker 1>saw was for another communal utopia like Colonial LeBaron, but

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<v Speaker 1>Erville's vision for the town was different. He focused in

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<v Speaker 1>on the nine miles of surrounding beachfront property. What Erville

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<v Speaker 1>imagined was a luxury resort kind of his own Mara Lago.

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<v Speaker 1>He even lined up investors in the States. He flew

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<v Speaker 1>them down on a private plane for a tour, and

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<v Speaker 1>in typical RVIL grandiose fashion, he called it the Baja

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<v Speaker 1>Yacht Club. I don't know, maybe he thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>an easier cell than the next Kingdom of God on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>Even before Joel's murder, Los Milinos townsfolk had mixed loyalties

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<v Speaker 1>between Joel's church and hervil. One. Los Milinos local I met,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, Joe Castillo. He was firmly behind Joel and

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<v Speaker 1>saw him as his prophet. Our prophet said that Los

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<v Speaker 1>Molinos was a suitable place to come and lift our people.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Castillo was one of Joel's earliest converts, so he

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<v Speaker 1>moved from Central Mexico to Colonial le Baron, then onto

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<v Speaker 1>Los Milinos. When the keep and when I came here,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that it was a much better place for

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<v Speaker 1>me in regards to the economy, because we had better salaries,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was also a better place to develop. That

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<v Speaker 1>is why we have been here since nineteen sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>until now. They say. But Hervill was popular in town too,

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<v Speaker 1>when he made the long trips across Mexico to visit Mama.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my mom saying that Ervil really liked Bence

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<v Speaker 1>and Salta. My mom all aways gave him food. This

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<v Speaker 1>is another Lost Millinos resident Delhi. She grew up here

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<v Speaker 1>and when Herville came to town, he would stay in

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<v Speaker 1>her parents home. It was a house where they gather

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<v Speaker 1>to study, to talk, to talk more than anything with

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<v Speaker 1>my dad. But I remember that my mom used to

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<v Speaker 1>happily tell me that my dad like Herbal, but he

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<v Speaker 1>arrived with stuff for my mom. Hervil gifted in machine

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<v Speaker 1>and Yes, considering the mixed loyalties between Joel and Hervill,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to understand that when Herville had his brother killed,

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<v Speaker 1>it sent Los Milinos into a state of somewhere between

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<v Speaker 1>panic and confusion. The majority of the town continued to

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<v Speaker 1>follow Joel's church, the Church of the Firstborn, which by

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<v Speaker 1>nine seventy four was led by a man called Verlin Barnon.

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<v Speaker 1>Le Baron is as the youngest brother to joln Irville,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was seven years the younger than yo Joel.

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<v Speaker 1>A Baron's son Adrian, took me to the spot in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Milinos where Verlin lived today. It's a small, tumble

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<v Speaker 1>down one story home, a rusting gate, rusting chain link fence.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason we're standing up here because when they

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<v Speaker 1>startled about Molinos, he brought his family here. He helped

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to build this down little Molinos. He had

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<v Speaker 1>en office here. Verlin he didn't have the Hollywood looks

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<v Speaker 1>of his brother Herville, and he wasn't like his brother

0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Joel either, really like he never made any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>claim of revelation to be the one mighty and strong,

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<v Speaker 1>that person who was chosen to unite the whole Mormon church.

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<v Speaker 1>There was no seeing angels or hearing God's voice for Verlin.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, you could say he wasn't ambitious for power

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Yet after Joel's death, he was running the

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<v Speaker 1>community Herville had sought to control. This sent Herval into

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<v Speaker 1>a rage, and no sooner had Rlin inherited the leadership

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<v Speaker 1>of Joel's church. His presence at Los Milinos had put

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<v Speaker 1>the whole community squarely in Hervil's crosshairs. Hervill's fourteen months

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<v Speaker 1>in prison might have given the town some respite, but

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<v Speaker 1>then in nineteen seventy four he was released, and just

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<v Speaker 1>like in colonial LeBaron, the town started to receive ultimatums

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<v Speaker 1>to fall in line under Hervil. Things didn't stop there,

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<v Speaker 1>because in nineteen seventy four, everyone who didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>follow where we started receiving threats. He quoted a passage

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bible that talks about destruction. Los Milinos residents

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<v Speaker 1>like Joe Castillo started to receive handwritten violent threats delivered

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<v Speaker 1>by his own, well supporting neighbors. But then, just as

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed inevitable that these threats would turn into actual violence,

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<v Speaker 1>a strange thing happened. In late nineteen Quietly, without any announcement,

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<v Speaker 1>those families who had joined Hervil's church, the Church of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lamb of God, started leaving Los Molinos. They just

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<v Speaker 1>quietly packed up their homes and left. The community breathed

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<v Speaker 1>a collective sigh of relief. We never believed that they

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<v Speaker 1>were capable of attacking us. They left and we were

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<v Speaker 1>having a normal life. But in they threw an attack.

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<v Speaker 1>The attack. It's December seventy four and the moon is

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<v Speaker 1>bright overhead. It's one of the coldest nights of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>The town then looked much like it does today. Mostly

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<v Speaker 1>single story houses, small yards, the occasional garden, all in

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<v Speaker 1>a grid system with a church in the center. Basic

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<v Speaker 1>not unlike a suburb and a small American town. Although

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<v Speaker 1>the roads are unpaved, the majority of the few hundred

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<v Speaker 1>villagers that night have turned in. They're huddled around stoves

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<v Speaker 1>to keep warm. We're already in bed. Just before nine pm,

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<v Speaker 1>two vehicles approached the town, flick off their headlights as

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<v Speaker 1>they enter. The first is a brown GMC pickup stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from the United States. In the back of the truck

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<v Speaker 1>are three of Herville's most trusted lieutenants. Close behind in

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<v Speaker 1>a dark green Fiat driven by another follower, a teenager

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<v Speaker 1>who will become central to the whole Hervil story. Her

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<v Speaker 1>name is Rna chinof Tonight. She's a sixteen year old onlooker.

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<v Speaker 1>In a few months she'll become Hervil's thirteen wife. The

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<v Speaker 1>cars passed by a house shared by four families, including

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Aguilar, a local clam fisherman, another one of Joel's

0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.280
<v Speaker 1>early converts. He lives with his parents and two of

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<v Speaker 1>his married brothers. He looked through the window that pointed

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<v Speaker 1>north and said that Virhinias bets Hells was on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>The tallest structure in Los Milinos was this three story building.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone called it the tower House, and Joel Aguilar saw

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<v Speaker 1>that it was ablaze. Joe Castillo saw the fire too,

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<v Speaker 1>and like there are other neighbors who saw the tower

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<v Speaker 1>House burning that night, his first thought was, how can

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<v Speaker 1>I help you in the moment, it's like that meant

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was an accidental fire. I didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>anything evil on it. Who were just there with a

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<v Speaker 1>trust of putting the fire out, thinking it's okay. Things happened,

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<v Speaker 1>Fires happened, But the tower House fire was no accident.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been caused by a Molotov cocktail, and shooters

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<v Speaker 1>were now hiding in the shadows about twenty yards away,

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<v Speaker 1>their targets standing before them perfectly silhouetted against the burning house.

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<v Speaker 1>More after the break, the first fire in Los Milinos

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<v Speaker 1>that night was under control role in a little more

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<v Speaker 1>than ten minutes, neighbors had worked together to get the

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<v Speaker 1>tower House blaze under control, like Joe Castillo and his

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<v Speaker 1>brother Fernando, who had climbed to an upper floor of

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<v Speaker 1>the burning house and from there had successfully fought back

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the flames. But the fire was a trap. On the

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.439
<v Speaker 1>second floor. When my brother was he suddenly felt a

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<v Speaker 1>bullet and told me I have been shot, but I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Irville had ordered the fire just to lure out his

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<v Speaker 1>brother Verlin. Once again, Irvill was trying to kill one

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<v Speaker 1>of his brothers, and the way he planned it as

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the community, Verlin surely would come out to

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<v Speaker 1>join his neighbors in tackling the blaze. The shooters, who

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<v Speaker 1>were now firing from the shadows, would execute Verlin as

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 1>he came running to help. But so far Verlin hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>shown up, and as the blaze subsided, the shoot as

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<v Speaker 1>were now at risk of being spotted by men like

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<v Speaker 1>Joel and Fernando Castillo on the upper floors of the

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<v Speaker 1>tower House. Before they could lose the element of surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>they opened fire. But that's when I realized how dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>this was, so I grabbed my brother and jumped from

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<v Speaker 1>the second floor into a pile of sand. Joe Castillo's

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.679
<v Speaker 1>brother landed on the floor bleeding. So I pulled my

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 1>brother close. He could still walk a little, and as

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<v Speaker 1>I took him, I told him stay here. At that instant,

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<v Speaker 1>I got shut in my hand and my mano. Now

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<v Speaker 1>both men had been wounded. Joe Castillo moved his brother

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<v Speaker 1>to a sheltered spot as he tried to process exactly

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>what was going on. He told him, good, you stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>because something is happening. It started to dawn on Joel

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Castillo that this was a trap. But who were these

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 1>attackers he now saw coming from the shadows, their faces

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly distorted, partially obscured by some kind of cloth like mask. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>as shooters moved away from the shadows, the townsfolks started

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<v Speaker 1>to make out facial features, some were alarmingly familiar. Los

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Milano's resident Deli can remember her sister's shocked as she

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:35.440
<v Speaker 1>realized she recognized an attacker. And she looked at him

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and so it was her friend, the friend that almost

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<v Speaker 1>became her boyfriend. This was someone she had been to

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<v Speaker 1>school with, sat with him in class. She saw his eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>He was completely covert, and she saw his eyes and

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>recognized him, and he turned and saw her and ran away.

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<v Speaker 1>Other townsfolk were coming to the same awful realization. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only were they under attack, but the assailants were the

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 1>children of their former neighbors. Most of the attackings were kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Joelah Baron's son Adrian, took me to the place where

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<v Speaker 1>this all happened. And the kids that Adrian is talking about,

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>they were teenagers from the town. It's amazing how children

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<v Speaker 1>are not turtem fourteen, fifteen, sixty and eighteen year old

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>can be swam to the opposite side so easy doing

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the attack. They're in a thank your spot of life,

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>so you see, convinced of something else. And those are

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the people that Irvil somehow brainwashed. It was powerful. As

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:50.159
<v Speaker 1>the teenagers attacking Los Milinos realized Berlin wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>come out to fight the fire, they switched to their

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<v Speaker 1>next phase of the assault, basically an all out attack.

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<v Speaker 1>These teenagers started firing randomly at the panicking crowd. One

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>attacker moved towards a wounded sixteen year old boy, a

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>boy named Maronai Mendez. Marona I was on the ground

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>moaning and crying, and this attacker stood over Maronai and

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>shot him in the chest. Now the attackers left the

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>burning tower house and headed towards Verlin's home. Joe Castillo,

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>who had been shot in the hand, had made it

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>back to his house. From there, he could see that

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the attackers had split into two groups, one moving through

0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the town on foot, the other by car, both sets

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>randomly firing into residence homes. They were shooting house by house,

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and so I panicked. I didn't even tell my wife

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I was hurt, but I did tell her it was

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, going look for a place to hide

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>up there with the trees. Are go over there and

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>hide because we are being attacked by as people. The

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>teenagers weren't just randomly firing at people. They were now

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>also throwing these handmade bombs at the houses. They'd shoot

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>at the people fleeing their burning buildings. One group of

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>attackers arrived at clam Fisherman Joe Aguilar's Houseman went and

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>looked through the window. He went towards the window and

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment he opened the curtain and look, he

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<v Speaker 1>got shot. He got shot in the head. And then

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<v Speaker 1>a molot of bomb was thrown through the same window,

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>but the same weekd men. That bomb was made out

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>of petrollum base and I had a week inside a bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>And the moment the bullet and the bomb were at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, the bullet hit him in his head

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>and the bomb lit and fell on him, setting his

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<v Speaker 1>body on fire. And to say, my brother. Then as

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I wake up, he fell to the floor with a

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>bullet in his head while being on fire, and my

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>dad then took a bedsheet and tried to put out

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>my brother's body. We then woke up and my mom

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>tried to hug it, but he had a lot of

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 1>pain and kept rolling from one way to another. My

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>mom cried, we all cried. He was in so much pain.

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>The attackers arrived at Virlin's home. Here they threw nearly

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a dozen Molotov cocktails on the roof, fired round after

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>round through the windows, but Verlin still didn't emerge, and

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>that is because, unknown to the attackers, he wasn't anywhere

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>near the town that night. He had fled to Honduras,

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>leaving days before the attack. Seeing one brother already slain

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>by Herval's colt was enough to convince him to take

0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Hervil's recent threat to the town more seriously, but he

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>left behind his wife, Charlotte and their small kids, as

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>well as his congregation, and now his family were following

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the same procedure rehearsed by residents of Colonial le Baron,

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 1>hiding in the town's ditches just yards away from their

0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>burning home, and other families and Los Milinos were now

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>also hiding their small children from the onslaught as the

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>attackers continued their seemingly random assaults on different houses. But

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>my husband, and he was wounded. He just didn't show

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>me anything. He then manned at his rifle and grabbed

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>it with his own injured hand. No, no, he only

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>said to me, go out back, take the kids and hide.

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 1>They are killing people out there. Joe Castilla's wife, Julia Cardoba,

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>had hoped she could wait out the onslaught, but now

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>looking out from her window, she clearly saw other homes

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>going up in flames. So I left and hit. There

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>was a beautiful bride moon. It almost felt like daylight.

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.479
<v Speaker 1>I went to hide. I had my three kids and

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I was pregnant. I told the kids to hold on

0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to me as I grabbed the youngest one to live.

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It was December, it was very cold. I gave a

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 1>blanket to my oldest sons and we left. I let

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>them down, and I told him it looks like someone

0:32:57.520 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>is burning the houses over looked in at the houses

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 1>from where we were in cases at our house on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay here, I told my four year old victor, to

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>which he replied, yes. Mommies hiding in the flickering shadows

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>of their burning home. The community of Los Milinos waited

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>in sheer terror for what would come next. But by

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>ten pm the raid was over. The attackers fled along

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>that same highway I had driven into town on, rejoining

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>their families and Hervil's colts. Meanwhile, in Los Milinos, the

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>people gathered the wounded. Joel Aguilar remembers four women and

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>eleven men ranging an age from sixteen to seventy eight

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>years old, had been shot. They were taken to a

0:33:54.440 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>local hospital. The most of your cases where my brother

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<v Speaker 1>with a bullet in his head, and another young man

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<v Speaker 1>whose name was Moronimendous. They were there for three days.

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<v Speaker 1>After three days, my brother ed Mundo died around one pm,

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and Moroney around three pm. The nursessor said it was

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful day. The son suddenly came out of the clouds,

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>but the clouds came back, and then it rained. The

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<v Speaker 1>earth shook, and then a peace, but later on tiered

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>shook again. We're standing on a hill above Los Molina's

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<v Speaker 1>or is there, as they called today, standing here at

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<v Speaker 1>and down. When I visited Los Milinos to see for

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<v Speaker 1>myself the side of the attack, I ended up on

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<v Speaker 1>the hill, the one that overlooks the town. Where we

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<v Speaker 1>stand you can see all the way. Thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>on the same hill in nineteen seventy two, just before

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<v Speaker 1>he had ordered his brother dead, that Irville had pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much laid out his entire plan to one resident, a

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<v Speaker 1>man named Fernando Castro. He was Deli's dad, Delhi, whose

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>mom RVIL would give gifts to whenever he visited town.

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>On this hill, Rvill had told Fernando Castro about both

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<v Speaker 1>his desire to kill his brother and to take control

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<v Speaker 1>of Los Milinos. He offered him a role in his

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<v Speaker 1>cult in exchange for his loyalty and help, but Fernando

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't interested, or maybe he just couldn't comprehend that Ervil

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<v Speaker 1>would actually do all this. Anyway, Now I'm back at

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<v Speaker 1>that very spot, looking out over the same view of

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<v Speaker 1>Los Milinos with Fernando's daughter Deli. I'm also with Adrian.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the son of Joelo Baron and the nephew of Herville.

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Today Delhi and Adrian are married. Delhi is one of

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Adrian's three wives. She points down to the town below

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<v Speaker 1>us and tells me about what life was like for

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<v Speaker 1>the community in the aftermath of the attack. The people

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>who lived here were still unsure whether Irvill's court would

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<v Speaker 1>return with more violence and destruction, and maybe that in

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<v Speaker 1>my life and mine, the sound of the ocean still

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>connects to what happened that day. The ocean reminds me

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 1>of the massacre. But that's what we say. Where those

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<v Speaker 1>two pounctories are is where the whole town went to

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<v Speaker 1>hide that night to sleep. We were scared, and we

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 1>were told that you cannot sleep at your home. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to go and spend the night at the houses

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<v Speaker 1>that are further away. Up here, at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the hill, I can see brown earth and the charred

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 1>remains of buildings below me. In total, twenty four homes

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<v Speaker 1>had been firebombed that day, twenty four several were completely gutted,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be frank it seems like in some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>this town hasn't really been able to move on much

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>from what happened that night. There never has been any

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>justice for what happened in the Los Milinos massacre, not

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that day, not ever. Two residents, one of them just

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<v Speaker 1>a teenage boy, were dead, and the dreams this community

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>had for a communal utopia, for prosperity even today, that

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 1>is still their struggle. But Herville's followers cowardly attack on

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.920
<v Speaker 1>their own town seems to have stopped Los Milinos in

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<v Speaker 1>its tracks. Then, as Delhi and I continue to talk,

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>she says something that catches me off guard. I still

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>love Hervilly because Hervil is responsible for my mom and

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:21.760
<v Speaker 1>my dad coming here. I'm stunned she still loves Hervil.

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 1>And it's not just me who was shocked to hear this,

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>So is Adrian. Herville was the man who ordered his

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<v Speaker 1>father dead. I look across at Adrian and I see

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>that he's crying. Adrian, there are something she said that

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to make you kind of emotional. What was that

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>or why did it make you emotional? The way she

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the way she feels, that makes me feel, just because

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>it's sad to see this story. Guy, he's got me emotional.

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Same match it to me. Let's say it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting to me. It's uh, okay, he killed my dad,

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>so he should pay for it. But then, but then

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 1>if you start thinking who he was for for my dad,

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't matter if he became possess or obsessed

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>with evil spirit, it doesn't change the fact that we

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>lost the beautiful salt because to me, Herbal was a

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>beautiful soul. This is real crucial for me. I'm learning that.

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<v Speaker 1>And this seems even more incredible. Adrian's dad was murdered

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>by Irville. In fact, not just his dad, Joel was

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>also his prophet. But somehow Adrian has similar feelings towards

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Irvil as Delhi. This is one of the more remarkable

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and I gotta say challenging things about Hervial, the love

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and loyalty he was able to extract from people no

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>matter what he did. And as I'm standing there on

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>that hill overlooking the town of Los Milinos, I wonder

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>was that how he was able to get away with

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>manipulating people to kill in his name, Because there is

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>no denying the whole evil had over certain people. Even

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>after the attack on those Milinos you could say he

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>was only really just getting started. He was headed from

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Delhi from Joe Castillo, Joe Aguilar, Julia Cardoba. But Erville

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>would continue to be chased and hunted by people like

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<v Speaker 1>Larive Stops and others in colonial LeBaron as he continued

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 1>his restless wandering through the darkness. Rville was headed to

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:49.240
<v Speaker 1>America to expand his cult to new followers, and there

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>he would find more disciples willing to shed more blood

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 1>in his name. They were going to go out and

0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 1>save the world. Was the leader. When they all got

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>on this ship to go out and save the world.

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>And as they went along, I started thinking started dragon

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and things weren't good, and then it caught on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>That's coming up in episode three. Deliver Us from Herville

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<v Speaker 1>is hosted by me jesse Hyde and written and reported

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<v Speaker 1>by me Leona Hamid and David Waters. Production from Leona

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<v Speaker 1>Hamid and David Waters. Sean Glenn and Max O'Brien are

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<v Speaker 1>executive producers. Lena Chang and Megan Oyinka are researchers. Marianna

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