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Speaker 2: Guys who had a big day for the NFL. The
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame officially enshrined five members, Drew Brees,
Speaker 2: Roger Craig, Luke Keigley, Laugh Fitzgerald, and Adam Vnitarry went
Speaker 2: to the Hall today. I played against Drew, I played
Speaker 2: against Roger Craig, and I played against Adam Vanity. Did
Speaker 2: not play against Keighley or Laugh Fitzgerald. I think fitz
Speaker 2: came the year after I had retired, So congratulations.
Speaker 4: To all these young men in football Heaven.
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell the NFL story without telling these guys,
Speaker 2: without these guys being involved in the NFL story. So
Speaker 2: congratulations to these five men, much deserved earned. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I played against Roger when he was actually he was
Speaker 2: at the Raiders at the time, not in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: And obviously Drew when he was at the Chargers. And
Speaker 2: Adam Vnitaria obviously he was in New England. So congratulations
Speaker 2: to all these men.
Speaker 4: But the story now, O Show.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty seven first time eligible players, Rob Graham, cost,
Speaker 2: Rob Gronkowski, dunk, Adrian Peterson a dunk, Big Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be very very It's gonna be This is
Speaker 2: where it is interesting, this is where it gets interested.
Speaker 2: We got Sharon, we got cam we got Antonio Brown,
Speaker 2: we have a Levy Yall Veil, Andrew Whitworth, Alex Matt,
Speaker 2: Gerald McCoy and Gerald McCoy and Eric Weddle.
Speaker 4: For me, I think Rock, Gronk and ap all Day. Yes,
Speaker 4: how many get in.
Speaker 2: You can, you can put up to seven. But they've
Speaker 2: been backing it down. They've been putting in five the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. A couple of years ago they
Speaker 2: only put in free.
Speaker 5: So like obviously everybody that's that's that's that's eligible, is
Speaker 5: worthy of being in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: But my slam dunk, I want to add one more.
Speaker 5: And despite what he may have done off the field
Speaker 5: and some of the antics on the field as well,
Speaker 5: Antonio Brown, Antonio Brown had a six seven year stretch
Speaker 5: maybe eight unk where there's never been a receiver to
Speaker 5: ever put up those type of numbers. Joe that did
Speaker 5: some of the things he did. Now most of the
Speaker 5: time voters are going to judge also on what occurs
Speaker 5: off the field as opposed to on But his numbers
Speaker 5: is speak for themselves.
Speaker 3: What he was able to do.
Speaker 5: He's one of the best in the history of this game.
Speaker 5: In the history of this game, and the story of
Speaker 5: the receiver position cannot be told without mentioning Antonio Brown.
Speaker 5: Not know, it probably will hurt him, you know, with
Speaker 5: it being his first time, being the first ballot, based
Speaker 5: on some of the things that have occurred that probably
Speaker 5: rubbed some of the voters the wrong way. So they're
Speaker 5: probably gonna make him. Wait, I mean your your picks
Speaker 5: with all day. Adrian Peterson, that's a no brainer. Gronk,
Speaker 5: it's a no brainer. Andrew Whitworth and what he was
Speaker 5: able to do well he was able to do in
Speaker 5: Cincinnati and in LA being a centerpiece, you know, for
Speaker 5: the left tackle position, he was great, great as well.
Speaker 5: Richard Sherman being a part of that legion, the legion
Speaker 5: of Boom leading the Boom being one of the best
Speaker 5: defense ever you know, to be assembled.
Speaker 3: You know, you can't tell that defense the.
Speaker 5: Story, especially without Sherman, how well he played during his time.
Speaker 5: So so many of those players are worthy for the
Speaker 5: slam dunks.
Speaker 3: Of those three out that did mention, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, Joe, it's just hard for me to see, don't
Speaker 2: I don't see. Yeah, if they don't let t o
Speaker 2: in on the first ballot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I know A B and AV were phenomenal.
Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about this sister inception
Speaker 2: of Nightcap. I said, A b Oh, Joe, AB didn't
Speaker 2: realize how special he was. That like you said, he
Speaker 2: had a six or seven year stretch that was as
Speaker 2: good as any receiver that has.
Speaker 3: Ever played the game.
Speaker 2: But his behavior both on and off the field is
Speaker 2: gonna hurt him, and you're gonna have to wait some time.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about some a very long time because his
Speaker 2: antics are fresh in people's mind that and maybe for
Speaker 2: a lot of people the last straw or show is
Speaker 2: that what he did.
Speaker 4: At the Jets when he.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see it, they said, Now they said, All
Speaker 2: I know is they say behavior now matters where it
Speaker 2: never mattered before, and t O never had any issues
Speaker 2: of the field.
Speaker 4: We're going to see how we judge Ben Roethlisberger. Hmm. Now,
Speaker 4: Eli Manning comes back up on the ballot.
Speaker 3: You know, you know they're not gonna let a man
Speaker 3: and wait that long.
Speaker 2: Now you know that, well is this will be his
Speaker 2: third third try baby three times a charm a.
Speaker 1: So y'all telling me out of all these guys right here,
Speaker 1: they only gonna take about five of them.
Speaker 2: If they take that, I don't know if they take
Speaker 2: that many. Now, now, oh Joe, they might be some
Speaker 2: guys gout. There's some guys that didn't get in this
Speaker 2: year that's gonna be on the ballot next year. And
Speaker 2: there's some old timers that's gonna be coming up. So
Speaker 2: some senior guys. So it might be. You know, Paul
Speaker 2: Taglibo is gonna come back up. I think Mike Shanahan
Speaker 2: is starting to get Hi some support, and I think
Speaker 2: he should because they're guys that have less Super Bowl
Speaker 2: wins than Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 4: What he did in Denver.
Speaker 2: How do you tell the story of the Broncos in
Speaker 2: the back to back champion without telling Mike shanahan story
Speaker 2: being a part of it.
Speaker 4: I think he's more of a deserving And.
Speaker 2: That's not the cast I look down on anybody else
Speaker 2: because I believe I can shine a light on Mike
Speaker 2: Shanahan without dimming the light on someone else. That's just
Speaker 2: the way I feel. But yes, I am biased. I
Speaker 2: make no bones about that. We do not become back
Speaker 2: to back super Bowl champs without Mike Shnahand that being said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Joe cam is on the ballot.
Speaker 4: Searn. They came out in the twenty eleven draft that
Speaker 4: was a loaded draft.
Speaker 2: It's tough, they said, from what they've what I've told
Speaker 2: is that the first ballots, those are for the Jared Rices,
Speaker 2: the Joe Montanas, the Tom Brady, the Peyton Manning, those guys,
Speaker 2: the John l Wad's, the Reggie White's the Lawrence Taylor's. Now,
Speaker 2: how many of those guys you see comparable to that?
Speaker 2: For me, I think Gronk is one of the two
Speaker 2: best tiens in football ever. I think he and Kelsey.
Speaker 2: I got Kelsey a slight nod for what Kelsey's been
Speaker 2: able to do in the postseason. You've never seen with
Speaker 2: the exception and the Super Bowl in which they lost
Speaker 2: to the uh But he's been big every Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: he shows up, every playoff game, he shows up. He's
Speaker 2: rivaling Jered Rice as far as catching yards shut down
Speaker 2: he might have surpassed him in a few of those.
Speaker 2: So he and Kelsey and Gronk, those are.
Speaker 4: My guys for me.
Speaker 2: And that's not a knock on anybody else, because I
Speaker 2: know there's some hell of a tight ends from Winslow
Speaker 2: to MACKI and Dicker Gates myself, Ozzy. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of guys, a lot of guys that belong in there.
Speaker 2: But for what these guys were able to do in
Speaker 2: the regular season and the postseason and the touchdown that
Speaker 2: Gronk's go I mean, I mean, I mean, what do
Speaker 2: you say, Chad?
Speaker 4: What do you say?
Speaker 2: And Kelsey is still still going strong thirteenth out where
Speaker 2: he had thirteen thousand yards a thousand catches.
Speaker 1: A Hey, y'all, don't think Cam Newton is sure in
Speaker 1: first ballot.
Speaker 4: I mean considering the fact hold on, hold up on,
Speaker 4: hold up on not.
Speaker 1: Only did get to the Super Bowl, bo we're talking about,
Speaker 1: he's probably the leading rushing in the NFL when it
Speaker 1: comes to quarterbacks and touchdowns.
Speaker 2: At my right or wrong, I think I think what
Speaker 2: you call him, it's pasted him. I think Lebar Jackson.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we have to look that up, but
Speaker 1: I think he's I feel like Cam Newton kind of
Speaker 1: started that dual thread. Strong physical quarterback who can run
Speaker 1: and pass.
Speaker 4: I don't see how he ain't gonna. I don't see
Speaker 4: how he ain't first ballot.
Speaker 2: I'm just basing it on what what the what they've
Speaker 2: been doing since I've been following it. Yeah, Eli went
Speaker 2: back to back. ELI won two Super Bowls and he
Speaker 2: beat Tom Brady to do it, and he didn't get
Speaker 2: in on first ballot. Hel Yo, he's coming up on
Speaker 2: his third ballot. Kurt Warner is a two time league MVP,
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl MVP with the three Super Bowls. He
Speaker 2: didn't get in on the first ballot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 2: They are very, very particular who they let in. I mean,
Speaker 2: you think about Luke Keickley played eight years. He's a
Speaker 2: fire time first team All Pro in eight years, and
Speaker 2: he was Defensive Player of the Year and Defensive Rookie
Speaker 2: of the Year, and they didn't let him.
Speaker 4: In on the first back.
Speaker 5: Even though his career was short, his impact during that
Speaker 5: time was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: He was Joe. He was different Joe in that eight
Speaker 3: year span. I'm talking about. You turned the tape on,
Speaker 3: well you see fifty nine every.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, unbelieved unbelievable career even though it was only
Speaker 5: a year.
Speaker 2: He got my vote for Defensive Rookie of the Year
Speaker 2: and Play of the Year and defensive player.
Speaker 4: He got my vote absolutely.
Speaker 2: Sean Alex, Alex Matt I'm trying to say what he played.
Speaker 2: Didn't he play at the Jets, Alex mack No, he
Speaker 2: played at Cleveland.
Speaker 4: He just start up for Cleveland McCoy. Hell, they even
Speaker 4: let Johnny Randall in on the first ballot. And I
Speaker 4: held and yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I used to think. I think I
Speaker 2: used to think the first ballot, Hey.
Speaker 5: It all comes It all depends on the player. It
Speaker 5: all depends on the player. It all depends on obviously,
Speaker 5: those that are doing the voting, that are letting the
Speaker 5: players in. You you have to you have to align
Speaker 5: with them and their core virus and what they think
Speaker 5: a player should be like in getting it on their
Speaker 5: first on that on that on that first ballot. So
Speaker 5: it's different sometimes. But I don't like about those in
Speaker 5: a position of power to vote those in is they
Speaker 5: hold grudges based on things that have nothing to do
Speaker 5: with the game of football.
Speaker 3: They have nothing to do.
Speaker 5: What did you do in between them lines on Sundays
Speaker 5: at one o'clock and at seven point thirty and sometimes
Speaker 5: it vote. That's all for me, if I was voting,
Speaker 5: what you did on that field?
Speaker 4: How how impactful were you?
Speaker 3: Not just one or two years.
Speaker 5: I'm talked about consistently every single year, especially when your
Speaker 5: off as a player, and their scheming to stop you
Speaker 5: and they know you coming and you they'll get it
Speaker 5: done consistently over the years.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, o Cho, they still got Tory Hope on the ballot,
Speaker 2: They still got Reggie Wayne on the ballots.
Speaker 5: Too many greats, too many and we're not to buy
Speaker 5: just regular players.
Speaker 3: Neither too many greats you mentioned in legends.
Speaker 2: But you said something very interesting. You said, the guys
Speaker 2: men and women, there are fifty man and women voters
Speaker 2: now because when I went in there were only forty four.
Speaker 2: Now they're fifty. With that being said, they changed the
Speaker 2: bylaws with y'all to keep t On from getting it
Speaker 2: in on the first ballot. They changed the bylaws. They
Speaker 2: said what you did on the field could negatively impact
Speaker 2: when it came time to voting. They changed those bylaws
Speaker 2: proud of that. Nothing they said, nothing other than football
Speaker 2: impacted whether or not you got in. Based on that alone,
Speaker 2: you already know ab not getting it on getting in
Speaker 2: anytime soon. Also with that being said, o Jo, you
Speaker 2: say people hole grudges. You got to realize, I understand
Speaker 2: these are fifty minute women.
Speaker 4: That are humans that have emotions, that have feelings.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's just like you, somebody wrong
Speaker 2: you and then come down the line they want you
Speaker 2: to do them a solid.
Speaker 4: What you how you gonna have.
Speaker 3: I'm with you when you're right, I'm with you when
Speaker 3: you're right.
Speaker 2: But come on, people are like, oh, you got to
Speaker 2: set down aside.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't sit it aside.
Speaker 2: But people always you know what I noticed on your
Speaker 2: people always ask you to do something that never do hey.
Speaker 3: But but also you have to think about it.
Speaker 5: The people that are voting, the people that in these
Speaker 5: positions to power, they understand the controls that they do have.
Speaker 5: They enjoyed that satisfaction to be able to control whether
Speaker 5: you want to get in or not.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: But also, whatever these players did that they might not like,
Speaker 5: it didn't affect them in any way.
Speaker 3: It doesn't actually affect you in general. It doesn't so
Speaker 3: to be able to grudge against something.
Speaker 2: You're a reporter. Let me ask you, you porter, So you
Speaker 2: come to me after the game. Hey, miss Selle, what
Speaker 2: you think may get out my face? Now, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you my butt the kids for about a decade.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now it's gonna come time for me to be a
Speaker 2: Hall of fa getting the Hall of Fame vote, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need your vot.
Speaker 4: Don't Joe tell me how you thinking?
Speaker 3: You see you're going with it.
Speaker 5: So now now that that situation, that situation in general,
Speaker 5: that comes down to Bill Belichick not going in first ballot.
Speaker 3: Hey, there you.
Speaker 2: Go, Joe prime example, six Super Bowls, nine Super Bowl appearances,
Speaker 2: two Super Bowl wins.
Speaker 4: As a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: He was so great that they took the game planning
Speaker 2: in which you used in nineteen ninety to stop the
Speaker 2: k Gun.
Speaker 4: It's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: As you and I talked today, he didn't get in
Speaker 2: the first ballot because why behavior now? And I think
Speaker 2: Coach Belichick, I think the world. I think Coach Belichick
Speaker 2: is the greatest NFL coach in NFL history. Oh man, listen,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of people that do not like.
Speaker 3: Coach Joe, and they don't like me the Joe.
Speaker 5: Why do you think I had I had put my
Speaker 5: Hey do why you think I put my own jacket on?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Got time to play with y'all.
Speaker 4: I already know it all. Hey, look, that's cheating hell
Speaker 4: and Belichick didn't go in.
Speaker 2: For so who was the first best? So what of
Speaker 2: the p what coach is that? I mean, y'all gonna
Speaker 2: make it there, gonna make Andy Reid?
Speaker 4: Wait, no, so Andy?
Speaker 3: And Big Red absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I remember Big Red with the tiny coach you coaching
Speaker 2: my brother now he was he was up there. And
Speaker 2: John Gruden, Yeah, he was in Green Bay, Yeah Bay, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 4: All of them.
Speaker 2: When Homer and got the job in ninety two, he
Speaker 2: took all those was on the staff in San Francisco.
Speaker 4: He took all those with him.
Speaker 2: Uh, Steve Marriucci did Jeron, all of them was on
Speaker 2: the staff. Ray Rhodes, yeah, Gruden, all of them was
Speaker 2: on that staff.
Speaker 4: Andy Reid, Sharan. Sharan was the offensive coordinator. Though.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, though, you see, and the thing is
Speaker 2: is that. But that's the only way to do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, how else can you get a Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame unless you have somebody vote on it.
Speaker 4: I mean, we hate subjectivity.
Speaker 2: I mean that's why, you know, if I'm gonna die,
Speaker 2: if I die before I do gymnastic o Joe, it's subjective.
Speaker 2: I might hit the most difficult thing in somebody. Like
Speaker 2: that's all right, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I know I want to win. I'm the first one
Speaker 4: to the tape.
Speaker 2: I touched the wall first, I broke the finish line first,
Speaker 2: I lift the most weights, I threw the thing the farthest.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: So the whole Bill Belichick thing, now, I know, obviously
Speaker 5: he didn't sit right the way he did he did
Speaker 5: reporters obviously not being really given too much information.
Speaker 3: His answer was short. And the thing about him is
Speaker 3: he was consistent. It was him. It was always him.
Speaker 5: A lot of people didn't like the way he did things,
Speaker 5: but he did it his way, in his way.
Speaker 3: It did one thing. He won. He won doing it
Speaker 3: exactly like that.
Speaker 5: And to have a coach like that, that basically says
Speaker 5: the standard on what every coach would want to be like,
Speaker 5: you want to consistently win like that time and time again.
Speaker 5: He had a twenty year run which was unbelievable in
Speaker 5: New England and.
Speaker 4: I'm precedented yep.
Speaker 3: So to leave him out, man, I mean, he is
Speaker 3: the standard.
Speaker 4: You'll never see another run like that. Aa And I
Speaker 4: did not know that they made the man.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Joe, yeah, Joe, Yeah, yeah, he was He
Speaker 5: was up last year.
Speaker 3: Then he didn't go in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now guess what, Joe, He's on the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: seventh ballot, alone with Reggie Wayne, alone with Tory hot Okay,
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. Yeah, with Eli Manning, with
Speaker 2: Ben Roethlisberger. So the names that we just mentioned on
Speaker 2: the first ballot, you got six more people that came
Speaker 2: in that might be on the second, third, fourth, or
Speaker 2: fifth or sixth ballot.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, ah yeah, ah yeah, oh yeah. So I
Speaker 4: see to day, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: And they said, look, we we we were putting too
Speaker 2: many people in. We were diluting the product. So they
Speaker 2: made a conscious decision. Like I said, I think, what
Speaker 2: was it a couple of years ago? It was only
Speaker 2: three I think yeah, three, maybe four? Uh with Gates
Speaker 2: when Gates went in, uh Alan, I don't know who
Speaker 2: the other guy was, but it wasn't that many guys
Speaker 2: that went in that year. But it's it's it's tough
Speaker 2: and everybody if you get if you get to this
Speaker 2: point when you make the final, when you make the finals,
Speaker 2: because they started out with like one hundred and twenty people, Joe,
Speaker 2: and then they will let down to seventy five, they
Speaker 2: will let down to fifty, they will let down.
Speaker 3: Hey Joe, Hey, Joe, Hey Joe, hey, I inducted myself, Joe.
Speaker 3: I made me made me a gold bus.
Speaker 5: I see hey, hey chat, this is this is me.
Speaker 4: Turn it to the sign just like me. Don't it
Speaker 4: look like I a Robot.
Speaker 3: Hey, Joe, Hey, Chack.
Speaker 5: I want you all to understand, right, I love I
Speaker 5: love I love the Hall of Fame. I love the
Speaker 5: voters that in the position of power to control the
Speaker 5: narrative on who they want in and who they don't.
Speaker 5: So I I hey, Joe, I inducted myself. I made
Speaker 5: me a fourteenth. This is fourteen carry gold bus Hey, Joe,
Speaker 5: wait by weigh about thirty pounds.
Speaker 4: Joe love bus Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I have people. I have people in the world.
Speaker 5: Right now is I'm trying to track down that jacket
Speaker 5: I put on when we played the Ravens.
Speaker 3: I think it was Thursday Night football, that jacket I
Speaker 3: put on.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to find it so I can frame it
Speaker 5: in the background. And you know, I had my own
Speaker 5: little Hall of Fame ceremony and all Joe in the
Speaker 5: locker room.
Speaker 3: After the game, he ain you deserve joepreciate you.
Speaker 5: You know I sometimes sometimes Joe, when they don't celebrate,
Speaker 5: you got to give yourself your own flowers.
Speaker 4: You hit me. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I agree. I agree
Speaker 4: with you, Joe.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be it's gonna be very very, very
Speaker 2: very very interesting to see this thing.
Speaker 4: Boy, this thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, because, like I said, the guys that haven't gotten
Speaker 2: in in the past couple of years because the problem
Speaker 2: that I have, and this is what I said, what
Speaker 2: I didn't get in guys, I said, if you don't
Speaker 2: love my numbers this year, you're gonna hate them next
Speaker 2: year because they feel I'm not gonna add you. Because
Speaker 2: think about it, if you don't like Tory Holt and
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 4: Like a.
Speaker 2: Steve Smith, you don't like you don't like Reggie Wayne's
Speaker 2: numbers in two to three years when these guys come out,
Speaker 2: these guys gonna have twelve hundred thirteen catches. Yea, so
Speaker 2: so so now you're like, you don't have the five
Speaker 2: and catches?
Speaker 4: Yeah, five and catches back then with a lot of
Speaker 4: damn catches.
Speaker 2: That's why we marvel at the guys that came that
Speaker 2: that had those kind of catches and the like Jerry
Speaker 2: starting to then we started seeing guys get a thousand
Speaker 2: because they were running the football back then.
Speaker 4: It's just and when you get to this point.
Speaker 2: Everybody feel that they're more than deserving, that they've earned
Speaker 2: the right because there are a lot of guys that's
Speaker 2: been to five six seven, eight, nine, ten Pro Bowls.
Speaker 2: They've been a two, three, four time first team All Pro.
Speaker 2: They've been an all decade player. So what's the how
Speaker 2: the I mean to say, Well, you know, I gotta wait.
Speaker 2: I gotta wait, man, Hell, I want my family to
Speaker 2: see me. I want to you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to go up there a minute. Damn wheel chik walk
Speaker 2: and kant enjoy it. Hell, let me enjoy it.
Speaker 3: He I love it. It's awesome. It's awesome.
Speaker 5: I'm being in being able to watch Larry Fitz and
Speaker 5: Looke up there, man, and seeing them boys talking and
Speaker 5: Larry you know, giving this his his flowers to Randy,
Speaker 5: and then how he inspired and motivated him. It was
Speaker 5: a dope thing to see. It was a dope thing.
Speaker 5: And it's a good thing. He honestly, Joe, it's a
Speaker 5: good thing. They don't with me in boy, you hear me?
Speaker 4: What Joe? What?
Speaker 3: Well? You you never see an interest or a speech
Speaker 3: like that ever? Again?
Speaker 2: Well, I shall hope. I shall hope your your team
Speaker 2: do like most teams do. Those teams they put the
Speaker 2: bill for their players. I don't know what Cincinnati gonna do, Ah,
Speaker 2: mister Bee coming everything, mister Bee covering everything for me.
Speaker 2: You hear mister Wilson, he covered things for his players
Speaker 2: when they got there. Uh, the forty nine of guys
Speaker 2: Edite de partlope, probably Jerry, I'm assuming.
Speaker 4: Let me.
Speaker 2: I know mister Wilson what he did for Bruce and
Speaker 2: and and Thuram and those guys. I know what mister
Speaker 2: Bowling did for me. So I can't speak for anybody else.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be presumptuous. And I know I
Speaker 2: was taken care of. The reason why they have it
Speaker 2: in the stadium now was because of Jim Kelly. It
Speaker 2: used to be on the steps of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Jim Kelly brought a thousand guests.
Speaker 4: What hem.
Speaker 2: Jim Kelly brought damn near everybody in Pennsylvania and one
Speaker 2: thousand people. So that's why, now, Joe, that's why. Now, guys,
Speaker 2: it's in the stadium becoming Kim damn.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But the thing else, when I went to the Ring
Speaker 2: of Fame, he brought my family, brought my family, he
Speaker 2: brought my coaches, he brought my homeboy, he brought everybody.
Speaker 2: Put us up, had a sweet to ourself the night
Speaker 2: before Mike Hey eighty four, I want to do something
Speaker 2: for you, like, well, you know I might. It's like
Speaker 2: once you get to fair I said, Mike, here's a
Speaker 2: I said, Mike, here's a bunch of us. Don't worry
Speaker 2: about it. Before we got.
Speaker 4: The ass, Why man, don't nobody drank no wine?
Speaker 2: Man with Drake Morgan David Where I grew up Joey
Speaker 2: talking about some some protruser all that board dog and
Speaker 2: all that other stuff came Nah, man going to get
Speaker 2: some Morgan David and you know we call it a knight.
Speaker 4: I like it. Hey, listen, listen, they gonna take care
Speaker 4: of No.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, don't do that, Joe, don't don't do that.
Speaker 3: I like it the way it is.
Speaker 5: No, you don't understand, Joe, and no, no disrespecting the boards,
Speaker 5: you know, getting in But you have to understand, Joe is.
Speaker 5: I understand the meaning of it, right, But it's not
Speaker 5: something that I actually need because I understood when I
Speaker 5: was playing, I'm gonna conduct myself in the manner where
Speaker 5: a lot of people aren't going to like the way.
Speaker 3: I do things they're not, and I was. I was
Speaker 3: okay with that.
Speaker 5: So the fact that remains that I was able to
Speaker 5: be authentical myself, and if that didn't sit well with
Speaker 5: those that are in the positions of power that do
Speaker 5: the voting, I'm good.
Speaker 4: That's why I put who caught the yards? Who called
Speaker 4: them yards? Who put them?
Speaker 2: All the INDs on what I'm saying, all that, all
Speaker 2: that other stuff, the proposed.
Speaker 4: Stuff.
Speaker 5: They look at all that though you and I understand,
Speaker 5: you know, they don't they should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good, but.
Speaker 4: You were not.
Speaker 2: Look, you were not disruptive on the field. Because the
Speaker 2: thing is is that others when they be yelling and
Speaker 2: kicking and sling, it's not They call that passion. They
Speaker 2: called us a mild content. They call us being disrupted.
Speaker 2: I called y'all to kiss my you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That wasn't my personality together. I did everything behind closed
Speaker 2: doors because I knew everybody was looking. But nah, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no no, don't don't don't try to now say
Speaker 2: what because one guy does it. He's passionate. He this
Speaker 2: is how what he cares the game. He's show you
Speaker 2: how he cares. And then somebody else they're being disruptive,
Speaker 2: they're being mal content. Nah, that's something that they that
Speaker 2: they put onto the receiver because the line share of
Speaker 2: the receiver, they kind of look.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I like it though, Joe doing doing just doing it
Speaker 5: my way. Joe being the villain I enjoy I enjoyed
Speaker 5: being a villain. I embraced that. And I think if I,
Speaker 5: if I, if I tried to be anything else other
Speaker 5: than myself and the way played the game as a kid,
Speaker 5: I think I wouldn't have been good.
Speaker 4: No really so no, I agree, Hey, so you enjoyed
Speaker 4: being at Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Had to, Joe.
Speaker 5: I had to talk trash every week. I had to
Speaker 5: because I had to add pressure to myself. For one,
Speaker 5: I'm in a situation. We were losing, we were playing.
Speaker 5: We were bad during my time during my tenure. Hey
Speaker 5: what I played eleven years. I had one good season.
Speaker 5: I mean totally as Joe, I had no choice. I
Speaker 5: could fill up a stadium. Joe and we had we
Speaker 5: were winning four game seasons. But I could fill up
Speaker 5: a stadium based on ain't no telling what you gonna do.
Speaker 3: I got to go watch. Yeah, I think you got to.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 5: I had to do what I did, and I mean
Speaker 5: the cars I was dealt. I did the best I
Speaker 5: could with the hand I was dealt Joe. You know,
Speaker 5: I wasn't able to play you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Carson was phenomenal. It's just it's different where I went
Speaker 5: the situation. I'm not with the forty nineers. I'm not
Speaker 5: with the Packers, you know, I'm not with a franchise
Speaker 5: that is known for winning.
Speaker 3: So Joe had to get that ship out of the mud.
Speaker 4: Joe, you already know it. You had to get dirty. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, though, Boy I want I want.
Speaker 5: Hey, if I if I had to do it again,
Speaker 5: boy I do it the same way and add a
Speaker 5: little bit more seasoned on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I left, So I left many celebrations.
Speaker 2: Because just think about it. Had you gone to a
Speaker 2: coach like park Sales, he ain't having that. You go
Speaker 2: to a coach like Belichick, So you would you would.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a it's a fine It's
Speaker 2: a fine line between being who you are, winning and
Speaker 2: like you were great, you were a great player.
Speaker 4: There are some people that are great in the role
Speaker 4: that they play that ain't you mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So they gotta let you in order for you, in
Speaker 2: order for you to function. And I believe this. That's
Speaker 2: why you were able to be your because I.
Speaker 3: Told you the first words Bill told me when I
Speaker 3: got there, what do you doing? Oho?
Speaker 5: I'm glad to have you. It was awesome going against
Speaker 5: you over the years. But you know you can have
Speaker 5: to change.
Speaker 3: Who are to be here? And boy, from that day on, Joe,
Speaker 3: I was walking.
Speaker 5: On eggs shells amongst the other why you why you
Speaker 5: brought me here?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: In other words, Bill will tell you, hey, look, look, look,
Speaker 1: don't come here with all their yeah we need.
Speaker 3: About it is.
Speaker 5: He ain't have to tell me that because when you
Speaker 5: walk in, you already know what time it was.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I took I took a back seat. I was quiet.
Speaker 3: I ain't do no media. I ain't what I got,
Speaker 3: what I got to talk about?
Speaker 5: Hey, hey, hey, he didn't have to say that because
Speaker 5: I often to walk.
Speaker 3: A straight line anyway.
Speaker 5: You hear, you hear the stories even though you're not
Speaker 5: playing for the Patriots. You hear the stories by Randy
Speaker 5: Voss coming off a twenty three touchdown season, come playing
Speaker 5: about his contractor was going in forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: You think I'm for the company, agon for you?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man?
Speaker 2: Please see you go to the Ravens. Don't change nothing.
Speaker 2: Just go be a raven. Just go play hard, do
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. Long long you ain't harming nobody.
Speaker 2: You're gonna play football. All those antics that don't mean nothing,
Speaker 2: don't mean nothing. I'll just say, hey, be you boy.
Speaker 2: If you talk, talk, don't come here. Be quiet.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm making a huge difference to where you
Speaker 1: get drafted at. You know, in any sport, bro, it
Speaker 1: makes a huge difference because absolutely it's coaches out here
Speaker 1: who can hinder you, know your talent, and have you
Speaker 1: pulling back versus trying to go forward.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. So I think fit.
Speaker 1: Is key and who you get drafted to, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, meaning the type of system you're playing in, Bro.
Speaker 4: That means everything I tell you. Oh, and I've been
Speaker 4: saying this.
Speaker 2: It ain't how high you go, it's where you go
Speaker 2: that is the most important thing. And I know everybody
Speaker 2: wants to be I want to be the number one pick,
Speaker 2: and I want to go here, and I want to
Speaker 2: go there. And you be the number one pick or
Speaker 2: the number one pick overall, or a first round draft
Speaker 2: pick and go into the wrong situation and then people
Speaker 2: look at you like.
Speaker 4: It's you're crazy, and your career it absolutely will, you know,
Speaker 4: so where you go it's very important.
Speaker 5: And obviously if you go that high and you go
Speaker 5: to a bad team, do you know how good you
Speaker 5: have to be? Do you know how good you have
Speaker 5: to be the overshadow how bad the team is?
Speaker 3: And that's very likely, very very likely.
Speaker 2: Yes, especially when you're when you when you play position
Speaker 2: in the position. That's why you know you look at
Speaker 2: a guy like a d hop like bro, do you
Speaker 2: realize before before he got to Shawn who he had
Speaker 2: thrown to it?
Speaker 4: Now? I think he had Matt Sean for a little while.
Speaker 2: Matt should be throwing the thing now, but he has
Speaker 2: some he had some quarterbacks in there like.
Speaker 3: Oh no, and he still made it work.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 5: Hey, I got a question to h about about this,
Speaker 5: to to find when it comes to the voters, the
Speaker 5: people obviously we don't know who. Yes, do you think
Speaker 5: it would be better at the fifty people that were doing
Speaker 5: the voting were those that actually played the game or
Speaker 5: should that not matter?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Because there there are a couple of them now, I mean,
Speaker 2: there are a couple of guys that's in the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. That's on the committee. But it's gonna be
Speaker 2: just like they did. It's gonna be just like they
Speaker 2: did whenever we used to vote for the program. You
Speaker 2: remember how they used to how they used to vote
Speaker 2: for the Pro BOWLO.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did they take a seas? See?
Speaker 2: People forget see. Everybody keeps saying that. But you and
Speaker 2: I both know we voted, and we know. Hey, man,
Speaker 2: go ahead, right, hey, whatever you said, whatever you think
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just me how it is. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you off I'm gonna feel some t. Oh, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna feel some t. That's how they did it.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to go in there and vote as a
Speaker 2: as a collective group. Obviously, you can't vote for anybody
Speaker 2: your team. Offense, vote for defense, defense, vote for offense.
Speaker 2: The man shop, I got, man shop, I gotta go,
Speaker 2: man go hey, whatever you say, man, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: you know better than anybody.
Speaker 4: Man. You like it. You study them. But that ain't
Speaker 4: the point.
Speaker 3: All the receivers. But who you got? Who are you
Speaker 3: putting down?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Okay? Okay? Who okay? Bet I got I'm put him.
Speaker 5: To him, put him to yeah, hey, Joe them boy,
Speaker 5: being there Man boyd Jazz, who you done.
Speaker 2: Hung out with in Miami, you hung out with it
Speaker 2: in Vegas. So that's why the lineman, for the most part,
Speaker 2: you see the same offensive lineman go every year. That's
Speaker 2: why most lineman they get five t they get eleven, nine,
Speaker 2: ten to twelve Pro Bowl selection.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny too, because first of all, they
Speaker 5: can't get stats, especially when it come to the lineman, Joe,
Speaker 5: the lineman that duco over and over.
Speaker 3: Then actually beat them boys though. Yeah, if you beat
Speaker 3: them dogs and beat them dogs.
Speaker 5: That show up every week on film, you know as alignment.
Speaker 5: If you go to Pro Bowls continuous a year in
Speaker 5: the y'all, you you really good.
Speaker 3: You're really good.
Speaker 5: There's no other way to measure you outside of what
Speaker 5: you do on goddamn film.
Speaker 3: It's no other way, especially your office alignment.
Speaker 2: But I have seen some situations guys got their ass
Speaker 2: in on reputation too. Don't let them fool yes, Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: some guys get their ass in on reputation because they
Speaker 2: were they were good and the year and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying because you know, sometimes you you you miss a
Speaker 2: year that you should have got in and there's sometimes
Speaker 2: you get in on the year you should have kept
Speaker 2: your ass at home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: how the hell, bro, I'm like, man, cause you ain't.
Speaker 2: And guys and it started getting getting like, well, week twelve,
Speaker 2: week thirteen, guys start politickets. Hey boy, thats you boy,
Speaker 2: get that vote? See you say, oh yo, note that's
Speaker 2: exactly what they said.
Speaker 4: Hey, that's a good one. Hey hey Sean, let you
Speaker 4: boy get that vote.
Speaker 3: Now, that's a good one, man, Because back.
Speaker 4: Then, guys used to, like everybody had.
Speaker 2: For the most part, guys have football camps, so you
Speaker 2: build you know, you built up a bond. You know,
Speaker 2: you go out, you do the football cam, you go
Speaker 2: out to e you know, you have a put time together.
Speaker 4: But nah, oh Joe, I think uh.
Speaker 1: In basketball, we used to vote to the players used
Speaker 1: to vote to for the MVP and all that they then.
Speaker 4: Y'all did until nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Nineteen eight was the last year, the last year that
Speaker 2: the players voted for the MVP prior to up until then.
Speaker 2: So all those years, that's why Oscar the year, think
Speaker 2: about it, the year Oscar tru had the triple double.
Speaker 2: That was the same year that Will had fifty to
Speaker 2: twenty five and hold on, Wrussele won the MVP. That
Speaker 2: was the greatest statistical season ever. You want to go
Speaker 2: back and look at that season and look at those guys.
Speaker 2: Look at what walk Bellamy did, Look at what elgim
Speaker 2: Baylor did.
Speaker 4: Look at what Jared West did. Huh, what's so boy Russell? Looked.
Speaker 2: Russell was fifty and twenty five and didn't win the
Speaker 2: MVP and Oscar had a triple double. I think elgin
Speaker 2: Baylor was like thirty one and eighteen. Walk Bellamy was
Speaker 2: thirty and fifteen. Jared West was like thirty five and six.
Speaker 1: Go look at those numbers and you voted, and you
Speaker 1: went back Wade bag yonder hell I thought, I thought,
Speaker 1: I thought the players. I thought something much. I thought
Speaker 1: I was voting At one point, I thought we were voting, not.
Speaker 4: On the MVP.
Speaker 2: You might have vote for then All Star, but not
Speaker 2: the MVP. I think that man eighty was the last year.
Speaker 1: Damn yeah, man, they gonna they gonna get it, They
Speaker 1: gonna keep they gonna kick us players out of there,
Speaker 1: and because of favoritism for real. That that that's why
Speaker 1: you know, these analytic guys are really locked in bro
Speaker 1: because they gonna give him an opportunity, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's a little different now, Fellas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Joe, But Joe, they say that was the greatest.
Speaker 2: If you go back and look at Chad, do us
Speaker 2: a favor. Go back and look at that sixty one
Speaker 2: sixty two season and look at the MVP candidates that year,
Speaker 2: and if I'm not mistaken, hold on elgim hold one
Speaker 2: because somebody, somebody served time in the military. It might
Speaker 2: have been Baylor. One of those one of those MVP
Speaker 2: guys missed part of the season because of it's military service.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I don't know where this boy be
Speaker 1: getting his information from, but he be tapped in over
Speaker 1: that man, Chad.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, I'm almost certain that I'm almost certain
Speaker 2: one of those guys. I want to say Baylor. Don't
Speaker 2: quote me on that, but I think it was Baylor.
Speaker 2: But Baylor had a hell of a year. But that year,
Speaker 2: go back and look at those those MVP candids numbers
Speaker 2: and you're like, what the hell Now, rebounding guys were
Speaker 2: shooting for excuse me, f thirty percent, So there's gonna
Speaker 2: be a lot of rebounds to grab joeyjo.
Speaker 4: Damn it ain't like it. You look at it. Look
Speaker 4: look at the numbers.
Speaker 2: Joe hold on, what was the numbers from when sixty
Speaker 2: one sixty two? That season when will was fifty twenty five?
Speaker 2: I think, or what you call it was like eighteen
Speaker 2: and twenty two, eighteen twenty three.
Speaker 1: That man, say, fifteen twenty five. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine somebody averaging them numbers, bro.
Speaker 2: But then he said, y'all thought I was a fluke.
Speaker 2: And he came back the next year and put up
Speaker 2: fifty forty four and twenty seven. Ain't nobody gonna ever
Speaker 2: break Wilson up. Go back and look what he did
Speaker 2: his rookie year. Ain't nobody gonna beat there. Ain't nobody
Speaker 2: the rebound, the numbers, y'all would just say, start all
Speaker 2: over scratch. Ain't nobody getting twenty three thousand rebounds?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Twenty five boys, A game is wild.
Speaker 1: Fifty point four man, Come on.
Speaker 2: Man played every played forty eight point two minutes a game,
Speaker 2: played every minute of the game.
Speaker 5: Hey hey, hey, hey, Joe, man, he played in converts too,
Speaker 5: didn't he that why I finished?
Speaker 4: Boy?
Speaker 2: Probably that was the only thing you could play here
Speaker 2: a pro kids.
Speaker 1: Hey, think about it. And he had to have some
Speaker 1: hard bottoms, you know what I mean? Playing all how
Speaker 1: many when they playing eighty two back then?
Speaker 4: U mm hmm back then too, they played eighty real.
Speaker 6: He ain no orthitics, none of that, just straight straight
Speaker 6: socks and socks and shoot, no cut, ain't know nothing, boy,
Speaker 6: No cold tub, ain't no red light. Veryy hey Joe, Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 6: hey them boy build different back then, boy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: they were built like hard cars back then. You know
Speaker 6: now these cars made you touch them.
Speaker 3: They yes, Hey.
Speaker 4: You remember, hey, you remember how you how your your
Speaker 4: uncle's member was built.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how hard your grandfather and hard they was. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: it ain't like that. No, they don't make them. This
Speaker 2: bit was hard, yes, oh, Joe. Change of plan. In Cleveland,
Speaker 2: Sean Watson and your Door Sanders had been rotating first
Speaker 2: team reps on day when your Door was scheduled to
Speaker 2: practice with the starting offense. DeShawn took every rep within
Speaker 2: the one unit. Your Door split the remaining reps with
Speaker 2: Dalli Gabriel. In fact, Todd Munkets just said minutes before
Speaker 2: practice DeShawn might end up with seven on seven, but
Speaker 2: your Door would take the majority of the reps with
Speaker 2: the ones that did not happen. Monken did not speak
Speaker 2: to the media after practice, but according to Mary Kay
Speaker 2: Cap Brown's team spokeman, said there were personal groupings coach
Speaker 2: Munkin wanted to see Deshaun with today. He took all
Speaker 2: the first team reps on what was supposed to be.
Speaker 5: Obviously, it's what I already said was gonna happen too. Obviously,
Speaker 5: you want to evaluate your talent. You want to evaluate
Speaker 5: you know, your quarterbacks, which the ones and those who
Speaker 5: are going to actually be in the game. As we
Speaker 5: get closer to the first preseason game, the one he
Speaker 5: to work with the ones as much as possible. Why
Speaker 5: he's probably ramping up the reps for Deshaun Watson with
Speaker 5: the number one crew who on starting day in September,
Speaker 5: whatever the first game is, it's probably going to be
Speaker 5: Deshaun Watson again.
Speaker 4: Chat.
Speaker 5: As much as I love as much as I love
Speaker 5: your Door, I would love for him to start. I
Speaker 5: would love for him to play right now. But when
Speaker 5: it comes to business, those that make the decisions, and
Speaker 5: because how much Deshaun Watson is making this year, he
Speaker 5: will be the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: There's no if ends but about it. Who you might like,
Speaker 5: who you don't like. I'm just just from a business
Speaker 5: stand point. You're not having a forty million dollars quarterback
Speaker 5: sitting on the bench because the rest of the world
Speaker 5: wants to see she do her play.
Speaker 3: That's not the way it works. Now.
Speaker 5: If things don't go well, I say, maybe week four
Speaker 5: or five, if things aren't going well and they're losing,
Speaker 5: Shoulder would make his entrance and he would probably hold
Speaker 5: on to that starting quarterback position for their remind of
Speaker 5: the year and Deshaun going elsewhere next year.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be too late. Then by that time,
Speaker 2: you you already know. You know how the NFL live.
Speaker 2: It's hard you lose that you start out losing and
Speaker 2: make it and make the playoffs. They're not built like that.
Speaker 2: They don't have that type of roster, they don't have
Speaker 2: that type of weaponry. And I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 2: out why you want to see him on personnel groupings
Speaker 2: when it's my day, when it's come to his day. Okay,
Speaker 2: now you can see it. So what about tomorrow? Why
Speaker 2: so we can't we can't do these groups tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, so what was so special about my day that
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to get the reps? We're supposed to alternate,
Speaker 2: so we you didn't want to see him the group tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Hunh Hey, hey, hey, I'm with you on this with oo,
Speaker 1: I think you give Deshaun Watson a fast shake, you know,
Speaker 1: you give him an opportunity or to really come out
Speaker 1: and show and prove if he can get back to
Speaker 1: the elite quarterback play.
Speaker 4: That he that he once was. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a short leash though, y'all. I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like y'all saying five six weeks.
Speaker 4: I don't think it gonna take that.
Speaker 5: Hey, listen again, Deshaun Watson's success is going to be
Speaker 5: contingent on those that are surrounding him.
Speaker 3: Judy conception, bond them.
Speaker 4: Boy, he got some he got somewhere.
Speaker 3: Them boys have to be on point. They got to
Speaker 3: be on point.
Speaker 5: I'm talk about every rep, no mistakes, no errors, getting open,
Speaker 5: being effishing, you know, yack, run after catch.
Speaker 3: I mean every they got to be on point.
Speaker 4: Did did they beep up? Did they beep up that off?
Speaker 4: It's a line I don't know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: About that, huh unk. Did they do something in the
Speaker 1: offensive line? Man, that's gonna make the biggest difference right there?
Speaker 4: You a all the weapons sound and look good out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, but hell, if I ain't got no blocking back here,
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 5: See Nathan they God damn, I can't. I can't wait
Speaker 5: to see what's fo foll last name Fanning?
Speaker 4: Fanning Fanning cut the rug last year.
Speaker 3: I like young bull that boy, I like him boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing is Joe you said, maybe
Speaker 2: he can get back. If he get back to that
Speaker 2: elite status, it'll be the greatest turnaround in NFL history. Hell,
Speaker 2: no player has ever faught had such a precipitous drop
Speaker 2: and recapture it.
Speaker 4: It's hard. Now.
Speaker 2: We've seen players drop off a year and come back,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Okay, in twenty nineteen played bad,
Speaker 2: came back in twenty twenty, hit it up and went back,
Speaker 2: went back like he was. But to have this many
Speaker 2: years off and to pick back up where he wants,
Speaker 2: we've never we've never seen that in the history of
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: Never it's gonna be tough to do that, man, Yes,
Speaker 1: especially there.
Speaker 4: You think.
Speaker 1: But my thing is the only reason why I say
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, Uncle Ojo, because he hadn't played
Speaker 1: elite in quite some time.
Speaker 4: Because I think he got the weapons.
Speaker 2: Man. Hell, at the end of the day, it's uh okay, now, Joe,
Speaker 2: let's not get carried away. He ain't throwing, He ain't
Speaker 2: got Cincinnati welluids, he ain't got what the Rams got.
Speaker 3: He got he got, he got, he got.
Speaker 5: Every team can't be loaded like Cincinnati or the Rams,
Speaker 5: or or or like the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: But what he does have, they can't be like Detroit.
Speaker 2: When you loaded like that, what do you do? And
Speaker 2: when you're not loaded like that? What do you do?
Speaker 2: Missed the playoffs, middle around.
Speaker 4: Wins. As much as we want to say, oh this
Speaker 4: and that all this is.
Speaker 3: The NFL, This is the best of the best, Now
Speaker 3: we can't you. You got to work with what you got.
Speaker 5: So what what they do have, even if there's different
Speaker 5: levels of said talent, spread it around throughout.
Speaker 3: Your teams, right whoever the office is a coordinator.
Speaker 5: Is for the Cleveland Browns, you got it. It's all
Speaker 5: about knowing your personnel. Knowing not only knowing your personnel,
Speaker 5: but knowing your player strengths, plan to their strengths, putting
Speaker 5: them in positions to make the plays, Understanding your quarterback
Speaker 5: strengths and weaknesses.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 3: That's all I mean.
Speaker 5: Listen, I make it sound easy, but it's not easy.
Speaker 5: But putting them in positions to make plays, knowing their
Speaker 5: strengths and their weaknesses is going to be extremely important.
Speaker 3: I know you've got an office to run. I know
Speaker 3: you have a scheme. I know why you have a
Speaker 3: way of that. You like to do things.
Speaker 5: But if you don't have the personnel to do what
Speaker 5: you like to do, you got the finagel a little bit.
Speaker 2: You can't finesse that much. Oh Joe, you thirty? You thirty?
Speaker 2: What you thirty cent away from a dime? He you
Speaker 2: mean for Nago. Let me ask you a question. Do
Speaker 2: they got more talent than the Texans offensively team or
Speaker 2: however you want to put it offensive defensively? What about Jacksonville?
Speaker 2: What about the Coats? What about the Broncos? What about
Speaker 2: Kansas City? What about the Chargers? What about Cincinnati? What
Speaker 2: about the Ravens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I just went through so somewhere.
Speaker 5: They they like, so I put it to you like
Speaker 5: that matter of fact.
Speaker 3: What you did. What you just did is you named
Speaker 3: tier tier tier one team. But it comes to talent.
Speaker 4: I named teams in the AFC.
Speaker 3: I'm going by tears.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna take the mission.
Speaker 2: Let's do they got more talent in Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: and that that that might be, that might be that.
Speaker 4: Even?
Speaker 2: Okay, let let's go to the AFC South Houston up
Speaker 2: there they would they got more talent in Houston, yes,
Speaker 2: and no.
Speaker 4: Jacksonville.
Speaker 5: Jacksonville got the edge offensively, well, go ahead, the Coats,
Speaker 5: Oh the Coases loaded.
Speaker 4: Boy, Okay, now we got Tennessee.
Speaker 3: That's about that's about even. That's about even.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not even. Let's go to the Let's go
Speaker 2: to the a f C, the l C West, the Broncos.
Speaker 3: A different ball game, the Chargers, different ball game.
Speaker 4: Kansas City ball game, the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're back even again.
Speaker 4: Okay, AFC eve, So now you got the.
Speaker 5: Patriots, different ball game, Buffalo in the class of their own,
Speaker 5: jess in Miami.
Speaker 3: All right, we're back even.
Speaker 2: So, so you got sixteen teams, you tied even with
Speaker 2: four of them. So twelve team you got, you got
Speaker 2: twelve teams better than yours.
Speaker 3: Hey, totality.
Speaker 5: Now we can go position put position by position, position
Speaker 5: by position. There might be areas with Cleveland might have
Speaker 5: better players at Pacific position.
Speaker 2: And every team, every team that we talked about, Joe,
Speaker 2: what do they have that's better than Cleveland quarterback there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: every last one of those teams.
Speaker 5: Listen, now you now that's why, that's why I'm trying
Speaker 5: to nitpick. Now if we go by positions. Now, were
Speaker 5: talked about Denzel Ward, we talk about the top three
Speaker 5: corner NFL. That's just yeah, that's just one person though,
Speaker 5: brother brother Jared Versu who's now there taking taking over
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like them befitting absolutely absolutely, But.
Speaker 2: Guess what, they had a guy that got twenty three
Speaker 2: sacks last year and they still couldn't make the playoffs. You,
Speaker 2: no matter how good your defense is, you can't overcome
Speaker 2: NFD offense. Your offense got to do something because guess
Speaker 2: what if they keep throwing your ass back down the field,
Speaker 2: guess what's going think about it?
Speaker 4: What you call. They had five sacks.
Speaker 2: Then a Miles Gun had five sacks and they got
Speaker 2: beat by twenty four points.
Speaker 5: The fact that he was getting all these sacks and
Speaker 5: the other team and they planned from behind, I don't understand.
Speaker 5: I don't understand the team. The team they're playing again
Speaker 5: doesn't even have to throw the ball and he's still
Speaker 5: getting sacks.
Speaker 2: So so that's the thing, and the thing is like, look,
Speaker 2: I wish to sew nothing but the best, but it's
Speaker 2: just hard for me to see a scenario, guys where
Speaker 2: he picks up and became what he became in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: I just don't see it.
Speaker 2: I don't, And I think he has to be that
Speaker 2: in order for them to get to be playoffs because
Speaker 2: those teams that we mentioned, those teams are good. Houston's loaded,
Speaker 2: crazy Houston.
Speaker 4: The Texans are loaded.
Speaker 2: If CJ, if CJ can, if CJ plays like he
Speaker 2: did his rookie year, that's.
Speaker 3: A seasonal team. So there was a sold on. Hey Joe, Hey,
Speaker 3: there was a super Bowl team last year.
Speaker 4: Their defense until he later, but you boy, you saw.
Speaker 1: That man play, Yeah, like four picks four or five?
Speaker 5: I think I think also it also hurt Nicolls.
Speaker 4: Some times he had three in the first half.
Speaker 5: I think, hey, hold on, they're gonna be straight this year.
Speaker 5: Tanked are coming back. I'm seeing Tank some of the
Speaker 5: clips with Tank dal Boy, I.
Speaker 4: Saw him too. Yeah. I love David Montgomery. I love David.
Speaker 3: Montgomery even looking good.
Speaker 2: I mean that that defense gonna be every time man
Speaker 2: their defense.
Speaker 4: And they defense always a one. But C. J. Stroud,
Speaker 4: he got henna have to put up a shut up
Speaker 4: this year.
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we have a segment tonight and
Speaker 5: we talked about any of these rookie receivers, but it's four.
Speaker 3: I got on my radar. Boy, Jesus Christ, what's that?
Speaker 5: Jordan Tyson over there is acting a fool over there
Speaker 5: in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Cornell Tate over there acting a fool in Tennessee, young bull.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Chad, I don't know. Is it Anthony
Speaker 5: Robinson is out of Clemson? Am I saying his name?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: That's over there with the commanders?
Speaker 4: Who are he cutting up? Please?
Speaker 3: Chad?
Speaker 4: Please?
Speaker 3: Hey, I didn't I don't watched out.
Speaker 5: I didn't had the people send me some of his
Speaker 5: one on ones and some of the seven on seven stuff.
Speaker 3: He's cutting up Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: I think I'm saying his name right, Anthony Robinson, I
Speaker 5: think so all he what it reminds me of.
Speaker 3: He looks like a mon ros Saint Brown, his rock running.
Speaker 5: His ability to create separation, his neck, you know, for
Speaker 5: manipulating the dB in front of him. Man, he looked nice.
Speaker 5: And young Bull over there in Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: Antonio Williams. Antony Williams, I'm probably you'll probably see this clip.
Speaker 5: B Brah brought you the real deal. There's no reason
Speaker 5: he should be the number three. Case closed, no questions asked,
Speaker 5: Antonio Williams.
Speaker 3: Sorry for butchering your name.
Speaker 5: I'm bad. I got excited for a minute. But boy,
Speaker 5: you look good. You hear me, you look real good.
Speaker 5: And now young bull Cyrus Allen over there in Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard I heard about him.
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, that that that's gonna be another security blinker
Speaker 5: for Patrick Mahomes based on what I've seen from him
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: Man, them four, them.
Speaker 5: Four right there probably gonna come in. I think conception
Speaker 5: is gonna play well obviously in Cleveland. But those four
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: About Immediate Impact Day one. Welcome to the NFL.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I hope you're right. No, I hope you're right with
Speaker 2: a Cleveland because I show won't even if DeShawn is
Speaker 2: not there. I want him. I want him to I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want him to be I want him to
Speaker 2: have a couple of good years, a couple of good years.
Speaker 2: So this is not like man man DeShawn was this
Speaker 2: and then he just stepped off a cliff. Yeah, put
Speaker 2: together a couple of good years if you can, Shador,
Speaker 2: I want your door to get an opportunity to play
Speaker 2: and to show that he can play at this level
Speaker 2: and he can play at an elite level because he's
Speaker 2: been very good at every level that he's played. You
Speaker 2: look at what He goes to Jackson State and he
Speaker 2: does good there, and he's like, well, yeah, but that's
Speaker 2: Jackson State. He goes to Colorado and he turns that
Speaker 2: team around and it's it's over Colorado. All he does
Speaker 2: is win, and then everybody makes excuses for why he's
Speaker 2: winning and how he won.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, did you win?
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Joe, you know who else you got to watch?
Speaker 5: For two uncles that God damn Jacobe Lane over there
Speaker 5: in Baltimore. Yeah, Mikayle Lemon, I haven't seen much from
Speaker 5: Mikayle Lemon that you know. Philly doesn't put put out
Speaker 5: enough clips as opposed to the other teams.
Speaker 2: Man, honestly is Kansas City is what you call him,
Speaker 2: K nine hitting people, hit the ball and he's everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen that too. Damn he said he Hey, hold.
Speaker 3: On, you saw to fight You saw to fight with
Speaker 3: with Miles Garrett. Not Miles Garrett. God damn Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Ain't know somebody got that video.
Speaker 4: Man, I ain't see what happened.
Speaker 5: Hey, he must he must have touched you know, you're
Speaker 5: not supposed touch the quarterback.
Speaker 3: You never touch the quarterback.
Speaker 5: He probably flashed by him to you no more than
Speaker 5: one time, and Kirk probably got frustrated.
Speaker 3: Probably threw the ball at him. Myself. I hope somebody
Speaker 3: got They gotta leak that clip. I got to see that.
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about We're gonna talk about first Cousins later.
Speaker 2: Mikayle Liman is currently sidelined with a hamstring injury, so hopefully, hopefully,
Speaker 2: uh he gets that rectified, They're gonna be caught you
Speaker 2: with that, because the last thing you want is a
Speaker 2: guy limping into the season. Yeah he ain't, No worry
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, you took the guy with the
Speaker 2: first first round draft picks, so obviously you have very
Speaker 2: high expectations.
Speaker 4: You know what, he's more than cable doing.
Speaker 2: Man, don't be fooling around with that, because that's the
Speaker 2: last thing you don't want that.
Speaker 3: I hate the fact.
Speaker 5: I hate the fact that people are getting hurt in
Speaker 5: training camp, not training camp.
Speaker 3: I hate I hate that.
Speaker 1: Man, Like, Hey, that means they first off, that means
Speaker 1: they go on an extra hard okay ojo. And if
Speaker 1: you know, you got a lot of guys, man who
Speaker 1: use training camp to get in shape.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: You couldn't do that back then.
Speaker 3: You can't do that, man, came well.
Speaker 2: Back at the back in the eighties, Joe, they would
Speaker 2: go to they would go to camp for.
Speaker 3: Like eight twelve weeks, long time, damn.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you had time for you to do it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Hell now, with the kind of money that they're paying you,
Speaker 2: and with the kind of money that they pay these guys, now,
Speaker 2: o Joe, why would you not want to be in shape.
Speaker 4: You know what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, for the most part, your top got I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean the average salary got to be like.
Speaker 4: Three million dollars a year. Probably would you take when
Speaker 4: you take.
Speaker 2: The minimum sound the minimum salary and all the way
Speaker 2: to the top you condense it down, it's got to
Speaker 2: be like three million dollars. Astupid favorite look at what
Speaker 2: the minimum salary, but what the average salary of the NFL.
Speaker 2: It's got to be like two or to have three
Speaker 2: million dollars gotta be man, youse. Ain't nobody making no
Speaker 2: making those sixty thousand dollars like I did when I
Speaker 2: gave it the league? Hell, everybody make it three four
Speaker 2: hundred five of at least hell practice squad guys on
Speaker 2: yo making ten eleven thousand.
Speaker 4: Dollars a week. Hey man, you know how easy camp
Speaker 4: you day? Five point two million? Ojo?
Speaker 2: That is the average salary. You mean to tell me
Speaker 2: you couldn't hire a trainer with that ojo? You could
Speaker 2: hire you a nice trainer even if you wanted to ojo.
Speaker 2: You could get you a self for one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred thousand dollars to cook for you in
Speaker 2: the off season to get your butt in shape in
Speaker 2: a trainer. So I spent so ojo and somebody told you, say,
Speaker 2: oo Jo, I'm gonna give me three hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: I'm at the end of the year, I give you
Speaker 2: five point two million.
Speaker 4: Would you do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I do that.
Speaker 4: I do that.
Speaker 3: But a one thing, one thing you ain't got to
Speaker 3: worry about me is coming into.
Speaker 5: Shape, because hell, I don't even play it. I ain't
Speaker 5: stop moving yet, Joe, I got to be doing something bright.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Man, That's what I don't get.
Speaker 1: It makes a world of a difference when you going
Speaker 1: to camp in shape already in camp.
Speaker 5: Is you know, I think I think most of the
Speaker 5: receivers come in shape anyway because they spend the off season.
Speaker 3: They always doing something. They always doing something.
Speaker 5: They take them a little break, they especially the lead ones,
Speaker 5: they take them a little break, you know. But about
Speaker 5: working all of them posts, they workout stuff, and half
Speaker 5: of them work out here in Miami throughout the whole
Speaker 5: the whole off season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I pushed myself.
Speaker 2: I need camp. I need camp to be easy. I
Speaker 2: need camp to be a breeze. So I'm gonna push
Speaker 2: myself in the off season. Get plenty. I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: plenty of red. Stay hydrated. Hydration is a big thing
Speaker 2: because you'll pull your if you got something weak or
Speaker 2: if something that's not hydrated properly, muscles not hydrated.
Speaker 4: You're gonna tweet something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't always. Sometimes they'll start tingling. You're like, okay,
Speaker 2: let me back this thing off. I'm up for today.
Speaker 2: Let me go get hydrated. Hey, let me get a massage.
Speaker 2: Let me ice this thing for a couple of days,
Speaker 2: and see why I'm at in a couple of days.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that things just like, ah see, you weren't doing
Speaker 2: what you're supposed to, so I got to get you down.
Speaker 4: I got to get you down.