Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Hello friends,
Speaker 1: Today we are joined by a trailblazer. Jenny Kavnar is
Speaker 1: an American sports broadcaster who is the television play by
Speaker 1: play announcer of the Oakland Athletics of Major League Baseball. Guys,
Speaker 1: She's the first female primary play by play announcer in
Speaker 1: MLB history. She is an absolute legend. She grew up
Speaker 1: in a baseball family, and she just is so incredibly inspiring.
Speaker 2: She is joining us today.
Speaker 1: From her home in Colorado, where she is managing to
Speaker 1: juggle her MLB career, a family, young children, and a great, big,
Speaker 1: beautiful life. Let's get to it, Jenny, I'm so excited
Speaker 1: that you're here today. I as you know, I think
Speaker 1: you know. We're both such lovers of sport, and seeing
Speaker 1: the way that women are really changing the game, not
Speaker 1: just in women's sports, but in the sports industry in
Speaker 1: general right now is so inspiring. And so to have you,
Speaker 1: as a literal trailblazer in the space join us during
Speaker 1: Women's History Month feels very cool. Thank you for taking
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, I'm so excited about women
Speaker 3: in sports right now and what is happening. And I
Speaker 3: think like two words sums it up for me, and
Speaker 3: it's Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 2: Right. If you're not on the Caitlyn Lark train, like you.
Speaker 3: Just better jump on because she has just taken everything
Speaker 3: to a whole new level. And it's so cool to
Speaker 3: see the history that she's made and what she's done.
Speaker 3: And then you know, being part of this conversation of
Speaker 3: women and advancement in sports, it's like I pinched me
Speaker 3: because this is all happening and it's so exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and your love of sport takes you all the
Speaker 1: way back to childhood, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, from day one.
Speaker 3: I mean I was definitely born into a family, the
Speaker 3: big sports family. My dad was a long time high
Speaker 3: school baseball coach, so my earliest memories of sports were
Speaker 3: really at the field when he was coaching, and as
Speaker 3: a cheerleader and kind of realizing quickly that, like you know,
Speaker 3: a win or a loss can dictate a mood, and
Speaker 3: my dad was always so good about not really bringing
Speaker 3: that home, but you know, you learn to ride that
Speaker 3: roller coaster of being a fan and the emotions that
Speaker 3: go along with sports, and then you know, as I
Speaker 3: got older, clearly wanted to participate. I'm not much of
Speaker 3: a just sit and watch kind of gal, so grabbed
Speaker 3: a love was often out on the field, you know,
Speaker 3: whether it was his summer camps or even like you know,
Speaker 3: working the table where the parents come in and taking
Speaker 3: money or going to the snackshack and working, like just
Speaker 3: being involved.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was definitely our family business was high school baseball,
Speaker 3: and we were all kind of all in. And then
Speaker 3: I think as soon as I picked up a glove
Speaker 3: and I picked up a basketball and all those things,
Speaker 3: like I just remember that innate need to be competitive,
Speaker 3: and then nate drive to like want to be on
Speaker 3: the court, and you want to be on a field,
Speaker 3: want to be doing something sports related.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think from the very beginning, it's always
Speaker 2: been there. That's really cool.
Speaker 1: When you were little, Like if you think about, you know,
Speaker 1: little Jenny at eight or nine, were you really focused
Speaker 1: on sports at that time or was that something that
Speaker 1: evolved as you got older.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I was really focused on sports, Like
Speaker 3: I was just a really I was late to the
Speaker 3: party and everything like maturing, you know, growing into being
Speaker 3: a girly girl like I was definitely always the.
Speaker 2: Tomboy, hung out with the boys in the block.
Speaker 3: We had a lot of boys in our neighborhood, had
Speaker 3: an older brother, I had mostly boy cousins.
Speaker 2: It was around my dad's teams.
Speaker 3: Like it was a seame of It didn't feel different
Speaker 3: to be the only girl, because that's just kind of
Speaker 3: how I grow up, right, And so I do remember,
Speaker 3: you know, there were I guess other things that were
Speaker 3: exciting to me, but it always centered around sports. The memories,
Speaker 3: whether it was again just us being at the baseball
Speaker 3: field with my dad, or going to my brother's games,
Speaker 3: or you know, going to my own games. And thinking
Speaker 3: back to I have no idea how my working mom
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 2: And carted us to all these events.
Speaker 3: Now that I'm a mom and our kids are starting
Speaker 3: to get involved in activities, but it's it's really cool
Speaker 3: to think that sports has just always kind of been
Speaker 3: around and evolved that way. And then I think too,
Speaker 3: like we live in such a different culture now where
Speaker 3: you can watch content all the time, right, Like kids
Speaker 3: are getting fed highlights anytime they pick up their phone,
Speaker 3: or you know, you can see them just any hour
Speaker 3: of the day and I think for us it was
Speaker 3: more appointment television, where like the big game was coming up,
Speaker 3: and it was the build up and the excitement, and.
Speaker 2: You'd physically get the newspaper.
Speaker 3: In the morning and you'd read about the game the
Speaker 3: night before, you'd read about the game coming up that day,
Speaker 3: and it was this slower process of the anticipation of
Speaker 3: the activity and the sport and what was to come
Speaker 3: with it. And so I do remember that a lot
Speaker 3: from being a kid again. Now it's like we're just
Speaker 3: we're just watching highlights all the time, which is awesome,
Speaker 3: but it's just very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting that you can look up anything
Speaker 1: at any moment. You don't have to necessarily tune in
Speaker 1: unless you're trying to avoid spoilers in real time.
Speaker 2: Right right, which is so hard to do nowadays.
Speaker 3: My husband guys all the time and I'm like, what, Like,
Speaker 3: you're on your phone all the time?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: How are you to avoid the score of the game
Speaker 3: that's happened three hours ago.
Speaker 1: It's when you were a kid, did you know that
Speaker 1: you wanted to work in sports because of the way
Speaker 1: that you grew up in your family, or did that
Speaker 1: dawn on you later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, my earliest memory of picking a career
Speaker 3: was I wanted to be a marine biologist and work
Speaker 3: with dolphins like that. And I also remember writing this
Speaker 3: paper where I wanted to be a gymnast in the
Speaker 3: Olympics and I was going to have three kids and
Speaker 3: be a gymnast in the Olympics. And you know, in
Speaker 3: my eight year old of mind, that sounded like a reality.
Speaker 3: But then those were my.
Speaker 2: First two early career choices.
Speaker 3: But yes, shortly after that, once I realized that you
Speaker 3: could work in sports, I think that it always was like,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to do. And I think the
Speaker 3: beginning of those again goes back to just being at
Speaker 3: the field with my dad. We had a wonderful prep
Speaker 3: reporter in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Her name is Marsiha Neville.
Speaker 3: And if Marsha was at your high school game, you
Speaker 3: guys were the best in the state. Like she you know,
Speaker 3: she presence meant that your team was amazing. So, you know,
Speaker 3: my dad was fortunate to have some good teams and
Speaker 3: she would be there and she would run right on
Speaker 3: the field after the game to interview him, and I
Speaker 3: was like, she's getting.
Speaker 2: Out there faster than I am, Like, I'm supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Out there first as the daughter of the coach, So
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a cool job, and I think
Speaker 3: that kind of that seed was planted. And then seeing
Speaker 3: Melissa Stark on TV on Monday Night Football in the
Speaker 3: late nineties was really when like the aha moment for me,
Speaker 3: that reppresentation moment of there's someone that looks like me
Speaker 3: and is TB and at the big event like that
Speaker 3: would be a dream job, and the kind of using
Speaker 3: that as a springboard to eventually creating a career that Luckily.
Speaker 2: I think I was pretty naive in that moment.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how competitive the industry was, and my
Speaker 3: dad didn't either, and you know, just spoke those words
Speaker 3: of truth into me and said you can do this,
Speaker 3: And that's all it took for me to have a
Speaker 3: really big dream.
Speaker 1: That's so cool and what a neat thing too that
Speaker 1: you can really see the way that that phrase, if
Speaker 1: you can see it, you can be it really was
Speaker 1: so true for you. You saw these women in these
Speaker 1: roles and saw yourself in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's what has become so special
Speaker 3: about where my career path took me is because it's
Speaker 3: allowed me to look back and realized, like why I
Speaker 3: had such a focus and a narrow focus really at
Speaker 3: the time. If you ask any of my college friends,
Speaker 3: they will all tell you when I what I want
Speaker 3: to do for a living, it was I want to
Speaker 3: be a football sideline reporter.
Speaker 2: And it was just so specific.
Speaker 3: To again that representation that I saw Melissa Stark and
Speaker 3: I think Linda Cohane was on TV doing Sports Center
Speaker 3: at the time, you know, anchoring at a desk, and
Speaker 3: there were a few women, but the majority I think
Speaker 3: of women that you saw in sport with on a
Speaker 3: sideline of a football field specifically.
Speaker 2: And then it just kind of grew.
Speaker 3: It grew into other sports, it grew into other aspects,
Speaker 3: it grew into hosting jobs, and then eventually we started hearing,
Speaker 3: you know, more female voices calling games or being the
Speaker 3: analyst of games, and that's really taken off in the
Speaker 3: last you know, five to ten years, and so just
Speaker 3: to be a part of that conversation and now to
Speaker 3: know that if you could ask if I was in
Speaker 3: college now and you asked me what I wanted to do,
Speaker 3: I hope I would have a broader stroke than just
Speaker 3: this narrow focus, because there are so many jobs that
Speaker 3: you can see women doing in sports, and it's not
Speaker 3: just on camera, and it's not just on radio. There's writers,
Speaker 3: there's producers, there's directors, like it is all around. And
Speaker 3: when I think about baseball specifically, like we now have
Speaker 3: a female and uniform for the San Francisco Giants, Slissa
Speaker 3: n Akin as a coach there, and that presentation is
Speaker 3: so powerful and she like braids her hair and it's
Speaker 3: just this cool, like oh my gosh, and going to
Speaker 3: a Giants game and being at Oracle Park, I see
Speaker 3: little girls in the stands all the time, either like
Speaker 3: also have a braid or have signs for Lissa. Like
Speaker 3: girls are getting incorporated into the game. Where now MLB
Speaker 3: the show came out today and they have an entire
Speaker 3: arena that you can play as a female in Major
Speaker 3: League Baseball. And it's just like, I think the idea
Speaker 3: of representation matters is no longer an idea. It's like,
Speaker 3: we have to make this happen and work, and the
Speaker 3: visual has to be there because you're right, seeing is
Speaker 3: believing and Billy Jean King did it so long ago
Speaker 3: for all of us, and I don't get out of that,
Speaker 3: and she's still on a platform of encouraging women to
Speaker 3: continue in their successes in sports, and it's really special.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 1: I feel so lucky I sit on the advisory board
Speaker 1: of the First Women's Bank with Billy Jean, and getting
Speaker 1: to work alongside one of my literal lifelong heroes in
Speaker 1: this equity space in finance for women has been the
Speaker 1: coolest thing in my recent years. And we got to
Speaker 1: do some advocacy around the fiftieth anniversary of her foundation,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm so in awe to your point
Speaker 1: of how all these things that I grew up caring
Speaker 1: about and wanting to work on. Isn't it weird when
Speaker 1: we sit at these points like you and I are
Speaker 1: now as adults, And you go.
Speaker 2: Like, if ten year old me I had any idea
Speaker 2: that this was my life, she wouldn't believe it. No,
Speaker 2: there's not a way. They're so cool. But I think too,
Speaker 2: like like you just kind of brought it up.
Speaker 3: It's it's your passion and your purpose, like those things
Speaker 3: you can't remove from from inside of you. And so
Speaker 3: I think having people around you that feed into them,
Speaker 3: like allow it to grow and have allowed it to
Speaker 3: like become you know, where we are today and being
Speaker 3: able to sit at a table with Billy jan King
Speaker 3: and know that you were impacted and influenced by what
Speaker 3: she did so long ago, and now you get a
Speaker 3: work alongside of her to continue the conversation of equity
Speaker 3: is like, it's it's really powerful stuff.
Speaker 1: It's so so cool. Do you ever you know now
Speaker 1: from this position that you're in, you're also a mom,
Speaker 1: do you talk to your dad about you know, what
Speaker 1: it was like for him to watch you grow up
Speaker 1: and grow in to the woman that you are?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it sort of a surreal thing to be able
Speaker 1: to look at your kids and also look at how
Speaker 1: you were raised and see all of these familial connections.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it really is.
Speaker 3: And it's com full circle because I think for me,
Speaker 3: my parents have always preached you can do whatever you
Speaker 3: want and you know we're going to support you. And
Speaker 3: that wasn't just like a teenager to live out a
Speaker 3: dream and get into college or to go do a career.
Speaker 2: That was like a lifelong.
Speaker 3: Commitment that they made because they honestly are a huge
Speaker 3: part of caretaking for our children now and out That
Speaker 3: like without that support of my mom, especially saying like
Speaker 3: I'm in retirement, this is what I want to be
Speaker 3: doing for you and for your family, Like, we wouldn't
Speaker 3: be able to do these careers. I wouldn't be able
Speaker 3: to take these opportunities because I'm away from my kids
Speaker 3: sometimes in baseball and in the in the chaos of
Speaker 3: that world.
Speaker 2: And you know.
Speaker 3: My husband's a fire fighter and his schedule is so
Speaker 3: different and unique. And so my parents have been this
Speaker 3: extension of our family and my husband's parents, you know,
Speaker 3: my in laws, they don't live in Colorado where we reside,
Speaker 3: but they have all made a priority to like put
Speaker 3: their lives on hold at moments where we just need
Speaker 3: them so that we can keep going in our careers.
Speaker 3: And that, to me is that familial connection.
Speaker 2: Of like, you know.
Speaker 3: That like trust and belief in you to be whatever
Speaker 3: you want to be, but also be like we're going
Speaker 3: to help you do that.
Speaker 2: It's it's cool. And so yeah, we've we've had those.
Speaker 3: Conversations and had those taks, but like I look back
Speaker 3: now more so on our growing up and I don't
Speaker 3: know how it felt so seamless, Like I don't know
Speaker 3: how my parents both held jobs and you know, still
Speaker 3: like figured out and found the time to invest in
Speaker 3: our athletic endeavors and get us to all these games,
Speaker 3: and you know, like the sacrifices that they make as parents.
Speaker 3: They're very special people for sure, and I'm so grateful
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. And now a word from our sponsors
Speaker 1: who make this show possible. I also think it's so
Speaker 1: nice when you can talk about how it really works,
Speaker 1: because there is this notion that and I do believe
Speaker 1: it's true, we can have it all, but you can't
Speaker 1: really have it all at the same time. It requires
Speaker 1: juggling and planning and scheduling. And I think the way
Speaker 1: it works is when you're in community or in the
Speaker 1: community of your family. It does really take a village.
Speaker 1: And I think it's so important that we kind of
Speaker 1: let each other in on that reality. People don't look
Speaker 1: around and go, why can't I do all of this
Speaker 1: by myself? Why can't I spend all of these plates.
Speaker 1: It's like, you can't. You need it, You need a crew.
Speaker 1: And how lucky you guys are that your family can
Speaker 1: be that crew for you.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, you're so right.
Speaker 3: And I think it's we've been sold this message for
Speaker 3: so long, especially as women, to your point of like
Speaker 3: you can do it all. You can be a superwoman,
Speaker 3: super mom, Like yeah, but it's exhausting and it's hard
Speaker 3: and it's hard work, and it's not it's not linear,
Speaker 3: Like it's not like, Okay, you have this career and
Speaker 3: here's that box, and like you have your family and
Speaker 3: here's that box for us in our world, like those
Speaker 3: are constantly intersecting, and the scheduling part is honestly sometimes
Speaker 3: the most draining part of my day and my week,
Speaker 3: because you know, it's the responsibility of like does a
Speaker 3: small human have an adult with them at all times?
Speaker 3: And always who I'm asking for favors for and you
Speaker 3: know we're hiring how as well.
Speaker 2: And you know, I want to.
Speaker 3: Make sure our kids grow up in activities and have
Speaker 3: you know, friends and fun. But now I'm asking these
Speaker 3: people that are taking care of them to not only
Speaker 3: take care of them, but get them to and from
Speaker 3: places and make sure they're happy and healthy. And you know,
Speaker 3: I think as a mom, we are constantly like your
Speaker 3: heart is checking in on everyone, and you want everyone
Speaker 3: to be in the best place.
Speaker 2: But that means like you.
Speaker 3: Know, are you in the best place and you're taking
Speaker 3: care of yourself and it's like, yeah, you're just constantly
Speaker 3: going through and thinking of things. Your brain like never
Speaker 3: shuts off. Our calendar is open all the time. You know,
Speaker 3: best best laid plans, always made a backup plan.
Speaker 2: And then there's a poor dog.
Speaker 3: I did someone take the dog and a walk today
Speaker 3: and play with them, right, So it's it's so wonderful
Speaker 3: and it's so beautiful and it feeds so much of
Speaker 3: my soul that I can have this career and have
Speaker 3: this family.
Speaker 2: But it is constant work and it's.
Speaker 3: Hard work, and I think more than anything, we all learned.
Speaker 3: And I definitely point back to the pandemic of like
Speaker 3: this idea where when we had to stop and we
Speaker 3: had to get back into things and we had to
Speaker 3: be away from people, like human beings were made for community,
Speaker 3: and it just like circles right back to your point
Speaker 3: of I'm so grateful that we get to raise our
Speaker 3: kids in a big community and that our families are
Speaker 3: involved and helpful, and we have wonderful friends involved, and
Speaker 3: our baseball community is involved. I mean they you know,
Speaker 3: welcome our kids to doing things when we're at work,
Speaker 3: and being around the game, and that's how I grew up.
Speaker 3: I grew up with baseball, and my husband grew up
Speaker 3: with baseball. So it's a big part of our family.
Speaker 3: And I love that the intersection happens between career and family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really special and it's not lost on me
Speaker 1: that as you talk about the you know, logistics for
Speaker 1: both you and your husband, your kids, your families, you're
Speaker 1: not only doing this as you know, one half of
Speaker 1: a working partnership, of a marriage with two careers in it,
Speaker 1: but you're doing this in your individual career where you've
Speaker 1: moved up the ranks as a woman in sports in
Speaker 1: a world, particularly in baseball that has really been primarily
Speaker 1: dominated by men. Yeah, and so it's you're not just
Speaker 1: juggling a big life, but you're breaking these boundaries while
Speaker 1: you're doing it.
Speaker 2: Has How has that felt?
Speaker 1: I imagine there have been times where it's been amazing
Speaker 1: and times where it's been hard, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's probably been every end of the spectrum.
Speaker 2: That's it, the rollercoaster of emotion in doing it.
Speaker 3: I'm really grateful for the women in our industry, specifically,
Speaker 3: I have a producer, I had a producer with the Rockies.
Speaker 3: That's a female and a very dear friend of mine,
Speaker 3: and she was breaking you know, per barriers on the
Speaker 3: production side, and probably one of the only female producers
Speaker 3: of the Big four sports, you know, really in television
Speaker 3: that is a female, and she has three kids, and
Speaker 3: she was kind of the first representation to me that like, oh,
Speaker 3: you can't have a family and figure this out.
Speaker 2: And she was very encouraging in that.
Speaker 3: And I watched how hard it was, and I watched
Speaker 3: how they made it work, and I took, you know, notes,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, Okay, if she can do it, I can
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: And she was really a huge factor for me because
Speaker 3: when I had kids, I you know, was trying to
Speaker 3: plan out when I was coming back, and I remember
Speaker 3: her saying, well, maybe we shouldn't say in it. Maybe
Speaker 3: you're gonna have a baby, and four weeks later you're
Speaker 3: ready to come back to work, and maybe you're gonna
Speaker 3: have a baby and you're not going to be ready
Speaker 3: for twelve weeks, and like we're going to be here
Speaker 3: and we're gonna support you, and we're going to figure
Speaker 3: that out. But like, you don't want to put a
Speaker 3: limitation on yourself one way or the other.
Speaker 2: I don't think a man would have told me that
Speaker 2: that was my boss.
Speaker 3: I think he would have looked at a schedule, and
Speaker 3: I think he would have said, by law, like your
Speaker 3: date coming back is this day, and that's when the
Speaker 3: team is, you know, in Oakland or in San Diego,
Speaker 3: and you know you're going to be there and then
Speaker 3: you're just going to move on. When I had my
Speaker 3: first baby, I remember asking our company about like breastfeeding
Speaker 3: and if I can send like use that milk store
Speaker 3: company and send the milk.
Speaker 2: Back, and like would they pay for that?
Speaker 3: And like, no, you.
Speaker 2: Don't pay for that.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, And I was like, oh, okay, well, I
Speaker 3: you know, this is like a pretty big company.
Speaker 2: We were owned by a pretty big parent company, and.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they have some sort of policy for working
Speaker 3: moms that have to travel, like could you just look
Speaker 3: into it a little bit further so you know, of course,
Speaker 3: it takes forever for them to look into it. And
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. I had just called my first Major
Speaker 3: League game in twenty eighteen. I was six months postpartum.
Speaker 3: I was panicking about like what am I going to do?
Speaker 3: Because I'm on air for three plus hours, is like
Speaker 3: what happens if like I have to, you know, go
Speaker 3: pump and I can't.
Speaker 2: We're doing this game.
Speaker 3: You were trying to figure that out while I'm also
Speaker 3: doing something new with my job. And then we go
Speaker 3: on a road trip and I remember thinking, I was like,
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just done.
Speaker 2: Like I guess I'm just gonna have to like dry up.
Speaker 3: And we'll move on and it's okay, And I'm like
Speaker 3: mourning this whole situation, and I'm thinking all of these
Speaker 3: things when I'm in the shower and I get out
Speaker 3: and I have a voicemail from my boss and he
Speaker 3: was like, hey, good news, I figured out how we
Speaker 3: can make things work for you.
Speaker 2: And it's just, like anything, this is not the time.
Speaker 2: It's six months too late to figure it out, right.
Speaker 3: So I guess like the idea of just being in
Speaker 3: this world as a woman where you're not getting a
Speaker 3: lot of understanding, especially as you like grow into a different,
Speaker 3: you know, role as a mom, And now I'm growing
Speaker 3: to different roles in my career. And everyone that's had
Speaker 3: this position in Major League Baseball as a primary play
Speaker 3: by play has been a man and a lot of
Speaker 3: those men, I would say probably eighty five percent of
Speaker 3: them have a wife at home that's taking care of
Speaker 3: all the home stuff and all the children's stuff, which
Speaker 3: is a full time job.
Speaker 2: And I have so much respect for those women because.
Speaker 3: I know the challenges of that partner is away for
Speaker 3: six months and they're very focused on their career. And
Speaker 3: oftentimes I find myself so divided because I have to
Speaker 3: be so focused on my career to make sure that
Speaker 3: I'm just as good, if not trying to be better,
Speaker 3: because I'm a woman in the seat and I have
Speaker 3: all the home stuff to deal, to deal with and
Speaker 3: to do, and you know, that's that's the path we've chosen,
Speaker 3: and it's a privilege, it really is. But it's chaotic
Speaker 3: and it's really hard sometimes. And I feel so supported
Speaker 3: on saying all this. I feel so supported by my
Speaker 3: partner and by my husband, you know, doing his poll too,
Speaker 3: and having to make a lot of sacrifices because of
Speaker 3: this career I've chosen. But it's just different when you're
Speaker 3: the woman and when you're the mom, and the way
Speaker 3: like you think and process things and want to plan
Speaker 3: for your family, like that just doesn't go away because
Speaker 3: you're off doing other big career things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's so important that we're upfront
Speaker 1: about those things. Yes, and we can give each other
Speaker 1: advice and mentorship about it because it shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: be a binary for us, right, you know that it's
Speaker 1: got to be one or the other. But it does
Speaker 1: require that other people. It requires that other people make
Speaker 1: allowances for us that we've been raised to make for them.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yes, that's such a powerful point.
Speaker 3: And I think like the more upfront we are about
Speaker 3: all of that, Like, I will show you these bags
Speaker 3: in my head right like it's there, Like there's not
Speaker 3: a lot of sleep happening right now, and that's okay.
Speaker 3: And I'm so comfortable in this idea that this is
Speaker 3: our season and this is where we're at. And I
Speaker 3: keep going back to that when I'm overwhelmed or anxious
Speaker 3: or letting the fear set in of how are we
Speaker 3: going to do all of this? Like I just have
Speaker 3: to center back to the experience that we've had to
Speaker 3: this point and the people that we have in our lives,
Speaker 3: and like, it's all going to be okay. But it's
Speaker 3: so important that it's there's a visual for it, because again,
Speaker 3: we're inundated with content, right, and I find myself in
Speaker 3: the same pattern, just like when we were growing up
Speaker 3: it was the magazine's Remember they talked about body image
Speaker 3: on magazines.
Speaker 2: That you're seeing.
Speaker 3: Well, now that again takeaway like that comes out every
Speaker 3: week or every month, like now it's every second. Like
Speaker 3: if you pull up Instagram, you're just inundated with something
Speaker 3: that is not really realistic. Like I'm seeing these women
Speaker 3: with these beautiful homes and there are kids look like
Speaker 3: they're just all in order, and their kids sleep at.
Speaker 2: Night, Like my kids don't sleep at night. How this
Speaker 2: is happening.
Speaker 3: But we're inundated with this world of like perfection because
Speaker 3: content is in really short clips that's just packaged nicely
Speaker 3: for you, and we need to have the bigger picture.
Speaker 3: Sometimes we need to understand that it's not it's that
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on with it being a working mom,
Speaker 3: being you know, someone who's describing their career, and it
Speaker 3: just we need to help each other.
Speaker 2: We need to have that be upfront beforeward.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's one of the things that the
Speaker 1: internet's so amazing, right, because it gives us these opportunities
Speaker 1: for community and connection. And I think it can be
Speaker 1: really toxic because we forget that we're looking at content,
Speaker 1: not not at reality right right, So we we forget
Speaker 1: that people have schedules and calendars of deliverables that might
Speaker 1: be planned a year in advance, and that that might
Speaker 1: be their life even anymore, but it has to be
Speaker 1: for a job or a contract. And it's hard to
Speaker 1: remember that what we're seeing is very often produced or
Speaker 1: just such a small fraction of someone's life. And I
Speaker 1: think everyone I know is really kind of on the
Speaker 1: seesaw of how they feel about it, like it's a
Speaker 1: real push pull right now. And I think it's what
Speaker 1: makes the ability to do things like this exciting for
Speaker 1: me personally. It's it's why I think, you know, our
Speaker 1: listeners listen because they get to actually hear what you
Speaker 1: have to say, what you know, what my questions are
Speaker 1: for you, and vice versa, Like we can we can
Speaker 1: be together in community, not just in like a ten
Speaker 1: second clip, and then it seems like that's life.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, just package up nicely, make it sound cute,
Speaker 3: look yeah things, Yeah, it's it's and I think you know,
Speaker 3: as I were raising kids and going back to that
Speaker 3: mom thing I've watched a lot of my friends who
Speaker 3: have older kids. I really struggle with how early do
Speaker 3: you let them look at social media? How you let
Speaker 3: them into this world because you know, back to original point,
Speaker 3: like that provides community for them, and that's so important.
Speaker 2: In growing up.
Speaker 3: But are their minds even well equipped to like be
Speaker 3: able to understand what's real and what's not real?
Speaker 2: Are our minds as yeah, forty year olds even there? No?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, what about for us?
Speaker 3: We all struggle, Like I think, I keep coming back
Speaker 3: to this word, and I was so lucky to go
Speaker 3: through this process. On the Today Show and Hoda brought
Speaker 3: up like imposter syndrome, right, and I'm like, I can't
Speaker 3: believe you've been said that right now in this five
Speaker 3: minute interview we're having because it's a phrase I just
Speaker 3: keep coming back to, Like I feel like I'm having
Speaker 3: it in my career and then I feel like in
Speaker 3: your day to day life, it's like it's just this
Speaker 3: constant battle of like what is real, what's not real?
Speaker 3: Who's real? How do we act real? And Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: it's a strange world out.
Speaker 2: There, for sure. Yeah, but a good one to your point.
Speaker 1: And now, a word from our sponsors. Now that people
Speaker 1: do look up so many things, as you were mentioning earlier,
Speaker 1: what a wild, incredible moment in history. You know, people
Speaker 1: can go to look up the MLB and see you
Speaker 1: our first ever female primary play by play announcer. Like
Speaker 1: do you ever go, oh my god, that's me, Like
Speaker 1: I'm the first one. I did it.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because I think I just think there's been
Speaker 3: like women that have been doing it. It's just another
Speaker 3: step of like adding that primary word in right, so
Speaker 3: you look back like Susan Waldman has been doing Yankees
Speaker 3: games in the radio booth for decades and the future
Speaker 3: about the Yankees like a very storied fran and she's
Speaker 3: been a huge part of that. I've been a big
Speaker 3: voice of that team for so long. And after I
Speaker 3: called my first game in twenty eighteen, I remember Melanie
Speaker 3: Newman reaching out to me and she was calling games
Speaker 3: at the minor league level, and she eventually got a
Speaker 3: job with Apple TV and with the Baltimore Orioles calling games,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, it's so great to see that
Speaker 3: women are doing it and being represented, and it's just
Speaker 3: one more door opening that out of the thirty teams.
Speaker 3: When you look at primary voices on television, it's going
Speaker 3: to be twenty nine men and one female, and.
Speaker 2: I that's a huge honor for sure.
Speaker 3: But I also like the best part about it is
Speaker 3: that the first always comes with the idea that it's
Speaker 3: not going to be the last.
Speaker 2: Right he has told us that, And so I can't.
Speaker 3: Wait to, like, just see how it changes over the
Speaker 3: next decade, because I feel really lucky to have been
Speaker 3: a part of a conversation of a lot of change
Speaker 3: in the game and in the sports TV game for
Speaker 3: the last you know, six seven years, And so I'm like,
Speaker 3: what is the next six seven years going to bring
Speaker 3: with newation and new voices?
Speaker 2: And it's so exciting. It is.
Speaker 1: It's exciting, and I imagine it's also not always easy,
Speaker 1: you know, to be the first one in a room
Speaker 1: can sometimes be really hard. And I guess I'm curious
Speaker 1: with everything that's working and the way that you and
Speaker 1: your family and your coworkers and your whole village is
Speaker 1: really figuring out how to make this happen. How have
Speaker 1: you also managed to persevere? How have you managed to
Speaker 1: figure out how to deal with what comes when the
Speaker 1: backlash comes, The sexism, the judgment.
Speaker 2: How do you navigate that? Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: It's like if this job would have come for me
Speaker 3: ten years ago, fifteen years ago, there's no way, Like
Speaker 3: I was not comfortable enough in my own skin to
Speaker 3: handle what other people were saying about me. Especially, I
Speaker 3: think I grew up like a people pleaser and that well,
Speaker 3: that's yeah, right, I ra'd your going, so, you know,
Speaker 3: battling that those comments can can say they don't matter,
Speaker 3: but as they add up, like, oh no, do I
Speaker 3: need to change?
Speaker 2: Am I doing something wrong? How do I fix this problem?
Speaker 3: Best piece of advice I've gotten in the last couple
Speaker 3: of months.
Speaker 2: I just admire her so much.
Speaker 3: Kate Scott is the voice of the Philadelphia seventy six Ors.
Speaker 3: She's one of two female primary voices in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Lisa Byington and her became the first female voices last year,
Speaker 3: and I, you know, told her I was going to
Speaker 3: be getting this job before it became public because she's
Speaker 3: from the Bay Area and she knows a lot of
Speaker 3: the same people I'm going to be working with, knows
Speaker 3: the market, and then again, you know, she's just done
Speaker 3: the first thing. So I was like, I just need
Speaker 3: you to like, help me, what's come in my way?
Speaker 2: Set me up?
Speaker 3: She just said to me, listen, there will be so
Speaker 3: many comments. There will be good ones, there will be
Speaker 3: bad ones, and everything in between. And what you have
Speaker 3: to understand is the people writing those comments are dealing
Speaker 3: with their own insecurities. They're dealing with the own personal stuff,
Speaker 3: and you're the one in the way of that, and
Speaker 3: that's where this is coming from. And just to put
Speaker 3: a face to that and be like, yes, you are
Speaker 3: so right about that, Like that is that's a hard concept,
Speaker 3: I think to understand now. But can you imagine, like
Speaker 3: if we could get kids to understand that concept of
Speaker 3: like what they're reading on the internet and that it's
Speaker 3: not necessarily about you or at you, but people are
Speaker 3: just dealing with whatever it is biases their own drunk
Speaker 3: in their life, and like you're the one they heard
Speaker 3: and they didn't like, and they're going to just let
Speaker 3: it loose on you, you know.
Speaker 2: So I really have not read a lot of comments.
Speaker 3: I learned a long time ago to just not engage
Speaker 3: in that realm of social media. And I think too,
Speaker 3: as you grow, no matter your career, you have to
Speaker 3: find people that you trust and that doesn't just mean
Speaker 3: people that are going to blow smoke up your wazoo all.
Speaker 2: The time and tell you how great you are.
Speaker 3: It's people that are going to tell you when you're
Speaker 3: not doing a good job, when you're not showing up,
Speaker 3: when you can be better, people that are going to
Speaker 3: push you to be better.
Speaker 2: And I would not be in this.
Speaker 3: Position of this place if I didn't have those people
Speaker 3: in my career life and in my personal home life.
Speaker 3: My husband's a huge person like that for me. But
Speaker 3: the producer that I was mentioning, Alison v. Hill, she
Speaker 3: she's one of those people that, like in my career
Speaker 3: she started this. She's the one that's like, why aren't
Speaker 3: you doing We're going to have you do play by play.
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're going to do this and we're going
Speaker 3: to be here and we're going to figure it out.
Speaker 3: And Yeah, it's people that like I would have never
Speaker 3: been like. And that's the next career goal that was
Speaker 3: scary to me, that was weird, that wasn't in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 3: But other people seeing something in you, making you get
Speaker 3: out of your comfort zone, making you push doing things
Speaker 3: that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: That's when we grow, right, and when you're in.
Speaker 3: An entertainment industry, whether it's you know, what I do
Speaker 3: in sports broadcasting, what you do as an actress, like
Speaker 3: getting out of your comfort zone is like the number
Speaker 3: one thing that we have to do and a lot
Speaker 3: of people don't have to do that in public and
Speaker 3: on this big stage. But that's just the job in
Speaker 3: the arena we've chosen. And so so I think again,
Speaker 3: I have to rely on my experiences and I have
Speaker 3: to know when I start this season, I game one
Speaker 3: for me is not going to be the same as
Speaker 3: Game one sixty two.
Speaker 2: It's there's growth that is going to happen.
Speaker 3: There's growth because I'm now doing play by play every
Speaker 3: day and not just backing up and filling in every
Speaker 3: once in a while. So I have to give myself
Speaker 3: grace in that and know like my employers, the people
Speaker 3: who chose me for this job, they also are going
Speaker 3: to be doing that because they see the long term
Speaker 3: and not just today and what's going to happen out
Speaker 3: of the gate. And I also like it is such
Speaker 3: a team thing for me. You talk about the loneliness
Speaker 3: maybe of being the first in a room, but I've
Speaker 3: never looked at it as like me being this female.
Speaker 3: It's I'm doing a job with an analyst, and I'm
Speaker 3: doing a job with a particular the whole team of people. Like,
Speaker 3: to me, sports broadcasting is the ultimate team sport because
Speaker 3: when you walk you might be a voice of something,
Speaker 3: but there are countless amount of people that put in
Speaker 3: time to the day to researching, to all the video elements,
Speaker 3: to putting graphics together, storylines, and then as the game
Speaker 3: is unfolding, like making sure that everyone is on the
Speaker 3: same page and getting it together and getting the message across.
Speaker 2: And so to me, the men in my life who've.
Speaker 3: Also supported me and the analysts that I've worked with, like,
Speaker 3: that's the team that's they're taking a huge risk in
Speaker 3: this too, because they're stepping into that arena with me.
Speaker 3: And I remember looking back in twenty eighteen when we
Speaker 3: call the game, not just the backlash that I got,
Speaker 3: but the backlash and the comments that my counterpard that
Speaker 3: my mail analysts got, some of the phone calls from
Speaker 3: their friends that they got, and then them telling me
Speaker 3: about them, And part of me was like, Okay, you.
Speaker 2: Don't have to tell me everything, And part of me was.
Speaker 3: Like, this is interesting, opens up this conversation of you know,
Speaker 3: it's new, it's changed. There's a different voice that is
Speaker 3: calling a game. There is a female voice and not
Speaker 3: a male voice. And it's a hard change for a
Speaker 3: lot of people who've grown up in sports, growing up
Speaker 3: watching sports.
Speaker 2: When you've only.
Speaker 3: Heard you know, one one tone and a male tone,
Speaker 3: and now you're a female tone, it can be jarring.
Speaker 2: That's understandable.
Speaker 3: But I think when we get over all of that
Speaker 3: and it becomes more commonplace, and we're seeing it in
Speaker 3: the NBA for sure, right ye a game the other
Speaker 3: night and there was a female play by play and
Speaker 3: a female analyst calling an NBA game, and it is
Speaker 3: like nothing now to your ears.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's jarring. I don't think it's weird.
Speaker 3: I think the NBA fan has had female voices in
Speaker 3: the game for the last couple years and they've adjusted
Speaker 3: and now they're starting to realize, do you know this
Speaker 3: game or do.
Speaker 2: Not know this game?
Speaker 3: Do you are coming with like great entertainment value and
Speaker 3: stories and passion and get me excited about basketball or
Speaker 3: do you not?
Speaker 2: That's the judgment and that's how it should be. Be Like,
Speaker 2: I hate your.
Speaker 3: Voice and you're a woman and I don't like this,
Speaker 3: or you know, there is an and calling the game,
Speaker 3: and that's better. It should be like, am I enjoying
Speaker 3: my experience of like learning something understanding the game Differently?
Speaker 2: If those are your takeaways.
Speaker 3: And you can walk away saying like, oh I learned
Speaker 3: something new or oh that was cool, then that's way
Speaker 3: better than just judging something by a male or female perspective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. And I think look, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, sports are for everyone, everyone, everyone, and
Speaker 1: the shifts that we're seeing, I mean for me as
Speaker 1: you know, such a lifelong sports fan and like now
Speaker 1: the part owner of a soccer team, like the work
Speaker 1: everyone in my life has been doing. You know, the
Speaker 1: last ten years have been so major. The last five
Speaker 1: years have been transformational, seeing the national team players sue
Speaker 1: US Soccer and you know, fight for pay equity, seeing
Speaker 1: you know, the attention that women's sports have garnered just
Speaker 1: this year, that cat and the New York Liberty, Like
Speaker 1: everybody's paying attention, and it's really exciting to see the
Speaker 1: metrics in terms of you know, the value add in
Speaker 1: terms of the ticket sales, like seeing you know, women's
Speaker 1: collegiate basketball tickets go for more than the Golden State
Speaker 1: Warriors tickets.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't hate it, like so cool and
Speaker 2: it's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like it's about time that all of
Speaker 1: these incredible performance athletes are being recognized for their skill
Speaker 1: and really getting to show people who they are, who
Speaker 1: they've always been.
Speaker 2: It's it's so thrilling, it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jason Sidekis could wear anything he wants at
Speaker 3: any given time, and how we've seen him photographed in
Speaker 3: a WNBA sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, he loves that's where he's at.
Speaker 3: He's totally and you know, I've seen it a lot
Speaker 3: and calling women's basketball the last several years.
Speaker 2: Camera Brinko plays for Stanford.
Speaker 3: Her parents went to college with Steph Curry's parents, and
Speaker 3: Steph Curry is often at Stanford women's basketball games. And
Speaker 3: that's not loss like these crazy you know, big time
Speaker 3: pop stars, rappers, actors, other male athletes walking in to
Speaker 3: an arena where women are playing sports like that, which
Speaker 3: is powerful totally.
Speaker 1: When I was living in Chicago and you know, going
Speaker 1: to Red Stars games and Sky games all the time,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I went to a basketball game one
Speaker 1: night and fifty cent walked in and we were like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: Also, this is so cool and you know that's.
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten years ago, and it's really it
Speaker 1: is a very thrilling time to see the way at
Speaker 1: least what it looks like. Listen, I'm asthmatic. I'm a
Speaker 1: sports fan. I'm not a sports player. It's never really
Speaker 1: been my thing, but like I as a fan who
Speaker 1: has been paying attention for most of my life, it
Speaker 1: feels like people are finally casting a wider net and
Speaker 1: making room for more of us, and that that just
Speaker 1: feels so exciting. And I'm I guess I'm really bolstered
Speaker 1: because you're the actual expert on this in the room,
Speaker 1: and it's nice to know that you feel the same,
Speaker 1: that there's progress being made, you know, for women in
Speaker 1: traditionally male arenas of sport, but also in female sports coverage.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, I do. I feel I feel the growth.
Speaker 3: I see the growth of experiencing the growth, right, and
Speaker 3: you're doing it on a level of being an owner,
Speaker 3: and so I will go there like that is such
Speaker 3: an important space where the equality measures can continue to
Speaker 3: grow because without women in positions of power to make
Speaker 3: some of these decisions. This doesn't grow right, It just
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I can point directly to the producer that
Speaker 3: was a female that started the conversation. And yes, males
Speaker 3: got on board and there were allies and they were like, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: let's go, but it was a woman that made that
Speaker 3: decision first and foremost. I was just hired at NBC
Speaker 3: Sports California by a woman who is a you know,
Speaker 3: wonderful visionary. And the decision makers have to change the game.
Speaker 3: We can work and we can try, and we can pursue,
Speaker 3: but like up top, got to change the game there.
Speaker 2: I think the numbers show it.
Speaker 3: Like if you just want to go back to being fans,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if we're talking about you know, the
Speaker 3: primary four sports, the Big four in just men's sports,
Speaker 3: but adding women's sports onto that.
Speaker 2: When you look at the.
Speaker 3: People sitting in the stands, the people spending money, which
Speaker 3: is always what it's going to come back to, because
Speaker 3: this is a business, after all, there are fifty percent
Speaker 3: or close to fifty percent, not more than fifty percent
Speaker 3: represented as female fans.
Speaker 2: And this has been an NFL for so long. We
Speaker 2: have seen these numbers.
Speaker 3: They've been out there and like there weren't really clothing
Speaker 3: companies even within the last ten years before Aaron Andrews
Speaker 3: started something that we're even promoting clothing for these sports
Speaker 3: teams to female fans, even though the numbers suggested that
Speaker 3: that marketplace was there.
Speaker 2: And so if that marketplace is there, and we're seeing.
Speaker 3: Them in the stands, and we're seeing women talking online
Speaker 3: about sports and watching sports, then why isn't the representation
Speaker 3: of women on the other side. And so that is
Speaker 3: I think we've been just as I mentioned, I think
Speaker 3: it's been flying off the shelves and growing at a
Speaker 3: great rate over the last ten years. And I think
Speaker 3: there's always room for improvement and always more growth to come.
Speaker 3: But it's it's just about it's just about continuing the
Speaker 3: conversation and continuing the visual and you know, making that change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so exciting and it's so cool to know
Speaker 1: that we're going to get to continue the conversation with
Speaker 1: you and that you're just going to continue like charging
Speaker 1: into these spaces and bringing more of us along with you,
Speaker 1: I mean across the whole landscape. It feels like such
Speaker 1: an inspiring and optimistic work in progress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, right. I think it's always a work
Speaker 2: in progress.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll go back to yeah with Billy Jean King,
Speaker 3: like when she set out for the Battle of Sexes,
Speaker 3: Like what was her ultimate goal? Was there an end
Speaker 3: goal to it or was it a movement? And was
Speaker 3: it something that was going to be continuous? And exactly
Speaker 3: that was it? Like she had she had a passion
Speaker 3: and purpose for her life and that moment in time
Speaker 3: was just like a it was a marker, it was
Speaker 3: a beginning. It was a push a little bit, and
Speaker 3: we're just that's it, Like we're just going to keep
Speaker 3: inching things open and.
Speaker 2: You know soon it's it's going to be just the floodgates.
Speaker 1: Really exciting what for you? Because it's i mean, it's
Speaker 1: a big topic we're talking about. It's industries, it's gender equity,
Speaker 1: it's it's big. But when you when you distill down
Speaker 1: that idea and think about it just for you as
Speaker 1: an individual, what what feels like your work in progress
Speaker 1: from this moment in your life and career?
Speaker 2: Gosh, that is Oh I've thought about that a lot.
Speaker 3: It's the really challenging right, Like I think, I think
Speaker 3: it's always so good to look back because especially when
Speaker 3: you're in moments of like uncertainty and scary. And that's
Speaker 3: the moment I found myself in last year is our
Speaker 3: regional sports network that owned the Rockies was giving up
Speaker 3: the rights. So we were all working last year not
Speaker 3: really knowing the future of our jobs, not really knowing
Speaker 3: go being in a space of like, like doing what
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be doing. What happens if the you know,
Speaker 3: run gets out from under me and this job and
Speaker 3: like that's it and there's no more opportunities and it's dry,
Speaker 3: and like, what real world job am I going to get?
Speaker 3: How do you put like talks about sports on a resume?
Speaker 3: I think it's more than that, but you know it's
Speaker 3: you're just saying your wheels are.
Speaker 2: Spinning, Like do I need to reinvent myself? What's happened?
Speaker 3: So I went through this whole exercise like throughout the
Speaker 3: course of the season, But I think what's always polled
Speaker 3: me is this And I mentioned the word a couple
Speaker 3: of times, But it's passion, right, Like when you have
Speaker 3: such a passion to do something, it lights your fire,
Speaker 3: like you always get drawn back to it, no matter
Speaker 3: if you're taking lefts or rights, like somehow you have
Speaker 3: to circle back to like finding that direction and finding
Speaker 3: the light that's guiding you. And so for me having
Speaker 3: this be such a passion, I think I can look
Speaker 3: back on my experience and my growth of like day
Speaker 3: one when I started doing play by play and it
Speaker 3: was so foreign to me to learning different bits and
Speaker 3: pieces about how to prepare, but better how to prepare
Speaker 3: more efficiently, how to put it together. And as they
Speaker 3: go into this season, I think that's my growth opportunity
Speaker 3: is like I would.
Speaker 2: Lie to you if I sat here and was like,
Speaker 2: I am so ready for this.
Speaker 3: We're going to dominate it, Like I am ready, but
Speaker 3: I also have room to grow, and I have to
Speaker 3: live in that, and I have to live in like
Speaker 3: there's a voice of fear that lives in the back
Speaker 3: of your mind and I have to live with like
Speaker 3: quieting that down with just confidence of experience and knowing
Speaker 3: that like every day is going to be different. I'm
Speaker 3: going to learn something new every day. I'm going to
Speaker 3: grow from it every day and I'm not I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna be perfect, and that's okay, and that's that's okay.
Speaker 3: That's the space we need to live in and as
Speaker 3: long as we're growing and getting better and producing and connecting,
Speaker 3: Like that's that goes back to why I love to
Speaker 3: do this and the passion of why I love to
Speaker 3: do this. And my friend Kate Scott that I was
Speaker 3: talking about earlier, she that like left me with that
Speaker 3: little piece of advice is She's like, all you have
Speaker 3: to do in this job is do the work and
Speaker 3: be yourself. And whenever always comes go back to that,
Speaker 3: do the work, be yourself. And I've told myself that
Speaker 3: probably one hundred times a day the last you know,
Speaker 3: four weeks, and as we entered this new season, and
Speaker 3: really an athlete, like if you think about it in
Speaker 3: any sport, that's probably their you know, true center as well,
Speaker 3: like do the work, work hard, be yourself.
Speaker 2: In the game.
Speaker 3: And the second a story that you mentally get just
Speaker 3: bogged down and you can't perform right, you can't do
Speaker 3: your job as an athlete. So I think that's like
Speaker 3: such a great lesson for us as humans too.
Speaker 1: I love that do the work, be yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good one. Do the work.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, Jenny. You're so inspiring.
Speaker 1: I really I'm so glad we got to hang today.
Speaker 2: I know me too, right back after thanks, so it's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you and congratulations and we'll be rooting for
Speaker 1: you over here.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much