1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio, Hey 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: brain Stuff. Lauren Vogue obamb here. On June fifty, North 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Korean tanks rolled across the thirty eighth Parallel, the line 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: that separated communist North Korea from US backed South Korea. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: As a now declassified US intelligence cable from Tokyo to 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: Washington concluded, the incursion wasn't just a mirror raid. Quote. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: The size of the North Korean forces employed, the depth 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: of penetration, the intensity of the attack, and the landings 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: made miles south of the Parallel on the east coast 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: indicated that the North Koreans are engaged in all out 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: offensive to subjugate South Korea. It was the start of 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: a war that is still not ended a full seven 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: decades later. The Korean War, which ultimately would pit the 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: U S against China in the first ever confrontation between 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the two superpowers, would claim the lives of an estimated 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: two point five million military members and civilians, including nearly 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: thirty four thousand Americans. The DT would cease with an 18 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: armistice on July nineteen fifty three, but the Geneva Conference 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty four failed to produce a peace treaty, 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: and the North and South remained tense enemies, and that's 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: the way things have pretty much continued. Though. In eighteen, 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: North Korean dictator Kim Jong un and South Korean President 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: Mun Jaen announced that they would work together toward a 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: peace treaty, but after the collapse of a February summit 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: between US President Donald Trump and North Korean dictator Kim 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Jong Un, those tensions seemed likely to remain for a 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: while longer. In the US, the Korean War is sometimes 28 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: called the forgotten War because it's overshadowed by the conflicts 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: that came before and after it, the stirring victory of 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: World War Two and the lengthy, painful ordeal of the 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: Vietnam War. We spoke with Edward Rhodes, a professor on 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: the faculty of the shar School of Policy and Government 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: at George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, who is an 34 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: expert in American foreign and national security policy. He said, 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: modern Americans don't think about it much. Vietnam was more 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: traumatic and World War Two was more of victorious. Nevertheless, 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: the overlooked conflict has exerted a powerful influence that still 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: felt today. According to Rhodes, the war forever changed the 39 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: course of US foreign and national security policy, compelling the 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: US to accept a permanent military involvement around the globe 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: even in peace time. It also helped drive the creation 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: of a vast US nuclear arsenal to deter possible Communist aggression, 43 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: with the threat of annihilation, and a global nuclear arms 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: race still continues. All this happened, according to Rhoads, after Korea, 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: a nation that had been occupied by the Japanese from 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: nineteen ten to nineteen forty five, was split into two 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: by the U S and the U S s R. 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: After World War Two. He explains, it was a practical matter. 49 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: There were Japanese armies that had retreated into Korea from 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Manchuria and they needed to be disarmed. We split that 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: large task with the Soviet Union, with the understanding that 52 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the Soviets would disarm the Japanese in the north and 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: we would do it in the south. But as the 54 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: Cold War developed between the US and its European allies 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: and the Soviets, the temporary partition turned into a permanent 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: one with the formation of a communist regime headed by 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: Kim Eel sung in the north and an authoritarian pro 58 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: American government headed by Sing Man e in the South. 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: Each regime saw itself as the real government of Korea 60 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: and its rival as illegitimate. Kim eel sung decided to 61 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: settle the matter by invading South Korea, and in May 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty finally obtained reluctant approval from his patron, the 63 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: Stalin regime. About a month later, Kim launched a surprise attack, 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: which initially had devastating results. The South Korean forces essentially 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: dissolved the U n Security Council, taking advantage of a 66 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Soviet boycott of the body, then passed a measure calling 67 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: for member nations to assist the belaggered South Koreans. That 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: mandate enabled US President Harry Truman to respond militarily without 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: having to go to Congress for a declaration of war. 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: Up until that point, the U s hadn't seen South 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: Korea as having much strategic importance, a road said, but 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: when the North Korean tanks rolled across the border, the 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: image that flashed in Truman's mind was that this was 74 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: a repeat of what the Nazis did. His response is 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: to stand up, thinking that if we had stood up 76 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: to Hitler early on, the world would have been a 77 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: better place. An outnumbered contingent of UN forces formed a 78 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: desperate line of defense around the only part of South 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: Korea not yet captured by the Communists, and managed to 80 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: hold off the invaders for two months. That gave General 81 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: Douglas MacArthur, who had been placed in overall command of 82 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: the U N forces, enough time to make an audacious, 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: amphibious landing at Incheon, near the South Korean capital of Seoul, 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: on September fifteenth, nineteen fifty, cutting off the over extended 85 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: North Koreans. McArthur's forces chased the invaders back north across 86 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: the thirty eighth Parallel, and by mid October had captured 87 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: the North Korean capital of Kyongyang, but MacArthur, over confident, 88 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: kept pushing the North Koreans back to the Yalu River, 89 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: the border with China. China then responded with a massive 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: counter attack of between thirteen thousand and three hundred thousand troops. 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: This time it was the UN forces who were driven back. 92 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: A bloody stalemate on the ground developed as the US 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: pounded North Korea from the air. MacArthur eventually was relieved 94 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: of his command by Truman and replaced with General Matthew Ridgeway. 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: The US abandoned the idea of a total victory and 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: shifted to a holding action against the communist forces. Rhodes 97 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: said MacArthur embraced the idea that there's no substitute for victory. 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: You beat the enemy and they surrender. But Rhodes explained, 99 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: after the Chinese intervention, quote, We're still in a situation 100 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,119 Speaker 1: where there's got to be a substitute for victory, because 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: how are we going to fight the manpower of China. 102 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: There's a realization that we can't fight this war to victory, 103 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: and it's hard for the American people to accept. The 104 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: longer the war stretched on, the more unpopular it became 105 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: back in the US. Many of the soldiers sent to 106 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: Korea or reservists who had served in World War Two. 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Rhodes explained, They've got homes and families and jobs, and 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: then they were called up and sent to fight another war. 109 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: There was a feeling that this wasn't fair. Eventually, truman successor, 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: President Dwight Eisenhower, ran on a promise that he would 111 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: go to Korea and seek an end to the conflict. 112 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: Actually did that a month before his inauguration in three 113 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: but though Eisenhower had ended the fighting, the Korean War 114 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: still shaped his policies. Rhodes said Eisenhower looked at this 115 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: as the wrong war at the wrong time, using the 116 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: wrong weapons. He reaches the conclusion that with the Cold 117 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: War going on with the Soviets, we have to plan 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: for the long haul. We're going to sustain this kind 119 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: of military deterrence. That led to resources being pumped into 120 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: the development of a massive nuclear deterrent that could be 121 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: used to contain the Soviets. Additionally, Eisenhower began attempting to 122 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: form alliances with more and more countries in an effort 123 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: to create a unified front to hold off Communist aggression. 124 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: We also spoke via email with Charles K. Armstrong, the 125 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Korea Foundation Professor of Korean Studies in the Social Sciences 126 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: at Columbia University. He said the US was forced to 127 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: take China more seriously as a military power after fighting 128 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: to a stalemate in the Korean War. General MacArthur had 129 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: severely underestimated the Chinese military's willingness to confront the US 130 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: in capacity to fight, leading to a bad route for 131 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: UN forces In the initial months after China entered the war. 132 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: China's participation in the Korean War also consolidated Mao's rule 133 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: and dashed the hopes of sub Americans that the communist 134 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: regime could be rolled back and replaced by Schangkai Shek's nationalists. 135 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: Armstrong said a Mao's willingness to support the North Koreans directly, 136 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: as opposed to Stalin's reluctance, helped solidify China North Korean 137 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: relations and caused the North Koreans to be more distrustful 138 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: of the Russians. For the US, China was seen from 139 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: the Korean War onward as the primary ally of North 140 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: Korea and the primary great power there was an enemy 141 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: of the US in Korea. The Armistice ended the fighting, 142 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: but North Korea, now backed by the Chinese, remained as 143 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: a belligerent enemy to South Korea. The ongoing threat meant 144 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: that U S forces couldn't just withdraw and come home. 145 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Armstrong notes the North Korean invasion in the emerging Cold 146 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: War convinced American policymakers that the US needed a permanent 147 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: military presence in Asia and Europe in order to contain 148 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: communist aggression. I Additionally, the Korean war helped set the 149 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: table for another even bloodier and more painful future conflict. 150 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: According to Armstrong, Korea led directly to the U. S 151 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: decision to help the French against communist led insurgency in 152 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: colonial Vietnam, and then, after the French defeat, to intervene 153 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: in support of an anti communist regime in South Vietnam, 154 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: which blocked an election called for by the nineteen fifty 155 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: four Geneva Conference that helped set the stage for the 156 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Vietnam War. Armstrong said the most lasting legacy of the 157 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: Korean War for the US was the establishment of a 158 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: global military presence over the long term and a commitment 159 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: to confront communism throughout the world during the Cold War 160 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: and for Korea in East Asia, ideological and military confrontation 161 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: that has lasted seven decades. That included a U. S 162 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: force stationed in South Korea as a deterrent to North Korea, 163 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: which in turn has a massive array of long range 164 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: artillery and rockets equipped with chemical and biological weapons aimed 165 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: at Seoul. That's in addition to the nuclear weapons and 166 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: ballistic missile arsenal. The Trump so far has been unable 167 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: to persuade the North Korean regime to give up. Today's 168 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: episode was written by Patrick J. Keiger and produced by 169 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: Tyler Clang. Brain Stuff is a production of iHeart Radio's 170 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. For more on this and lots of 171 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: other topics, visit our home planet, how stuff Works dot com, 172 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: and for more podcasts for my heart Radio, visit the 173 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 174 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.