1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: with I our Radio. It's time for the almost Famous podcast. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Yes we're back doubling up. This week got my wonderful 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: co host Ashley Iken Eddie and another co host for 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: two episodes. Ashley, how pumped are you to have Jessica 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Gerard on the show right now breaking this all down 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: with us? I am so excited to have you here, 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: jess because one you're at Woman till All so you 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: can give us all the inside dudes. And two you 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: know you're bringing back body glitter. And three you were 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: like the huter row pit character of the show a 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: couple weeks ago when you're like, I am not going 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: to beg for you. Yes, thanks, guys, I'm so excited 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: to be here. Thank you for having me. Are you 15 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: nervous that Ashley and I are just going to absolutely 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: be so tough and so mean and so just grueling 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: out on the show hard. I went through a whole 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: season of the Bachelor, so I think I can take 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: you guys too, So we're big fans of you. In fact, 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: when we found out that you're going to be on 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: the show with us, we're very excited and we asked 22 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: to have you help us break down the Women Tell 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: All and then you're gonna come back for a separate 24 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: show and kind of give us an in depth about 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: you in your life. And so right now we're going 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: to jump right into the Woman Tall All. We're gonna 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: skip all the backstory of who you are and what 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: you're about, and we're gonna say that for a special time. So, Jess, 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: you were at The Woman Tall All to start this out, 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: to give our listeners a little perspective, tell us what 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: the Women Tall is like, like the leading up to it, 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: not being on the show, not being in the seats 33 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: that obviously, your butt is gonna get so sweaty because 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: they're plastic and there's light shining on you and there's 35 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: no breathable room. Uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. Yes, your butt bone 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: is truly aching. After those four times. I remember, I 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: remember I had when I was the bachelor. I would yeah, 38 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: when I was announced or something as the bachelor, I 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: had to get up from my seat and step up 40 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: onto stage. And I remember being so nervous because I 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: could tell that, like where I was sitting was just 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: covered in sweat, and I was thinking I was going 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: to be the guy to walk up on stage with 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: a different colored you know, back backspot than my sue. Okay, 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: so Jess walk us through like the trailer and the 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: lead up and everything going on. Yeah. So it was 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: a really rainy day that day, and I remember I 48 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: kept repeating it. I was like, is this foreshadowing something 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: like is this going to be a very chaotic day? 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: It was plouring rand I think that there was like 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: a really bad store in California or something, but that weekend. 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: But it was so surreal. I've never been in like 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: a fitting room or like I don't know what's kind 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: of technically calling room, Yeah, dressing room. Yeah, I've never 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: been in a dressing room before like that. I've never 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, had my makeup touched up and you know, 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: gone all pampered. So it was definitely like I was 58 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: getting really nervous and I was like, oh gosh, this 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: is like the real deal. And like going into the 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers studio, I was like, I've never been there before. 61 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it. I just was cool. 62 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what's been filmed here? Like I want 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: to go explore all of these buildings. But and it 64 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: was really cool seeing everyone, and everyone was excited and nervous. 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: We were all kind of on the same page, and 66 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: we knew we were gonna see Zach and at that 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: point I knew I was gonna get a hot seat, 68 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: so I was just I was like freaking out. It 69 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: was just so many nerves and all in one and 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: in a very rainy day, so I was like, oh gosh, 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't want my hair to get messed up. Well, 72 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: you didn't have much to worry about when it came 73 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: to talking with the girls, so you probably really got 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: to sit back and just listen for a couple of 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: hours before Zack on stage. You really you had no 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: drama with the girls. You barely on air. You didn't 77 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: really involve yourself except for with the little drama between 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Brooklyn and Kat. You seem to depend cattle bit in 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: that moment. Yeah. Did that feel good that you got 80 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: to not have to involve yourself in girl drama? Yeah? 81 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: So I feel like in general, I don't really involve 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: myself with drama. Like in the real world too as well. 83 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: I will always defend myself if I feel like I'm 84 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: in a position where I need to or someone else 85 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, with Brooklyn and Kat, I 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: felt like that was between them and it wasn't really 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: my place to get involved. But there were points where 88 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: I defended her because Kat is a good person and 89 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: she meant well, and you know, she was owning up 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: to her mistakes and I felt like it was being 91 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: dragged out. But you know, I don't think that it's 92 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: my position to voice an opinion that I'm not in 93 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: something that I'm not involved in. So it was nice 94 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: to sit back and not be involved when everyone was 95 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: like screaming at each other. I think there was like 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: some clips in my face where I'm like, I'm just like, 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: oh gosh, like everyone in my ear. Yeah. Ashley and 98 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: I always say this because one of the questions you'll 99 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: get asked the most now for the next I don't 100 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean, how many who knows how long of your 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: life will be? Is it real? Like is the show real? 102 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: And what Ashley and I always say is it is 103 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: very real. Like I never felt like I was told 104 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: or scripted or given a list of things what to do. 105 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: And there's a very few moments where you're watching things 106 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: happen in the mansion or on the road or at 107 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: a tell all and you're like, I cannot believe I'm 108 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: getting a front row seat at this, because nobody that 109 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: ever watches this will ever believe it. Yeah. No, definitely. 110 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: When I was sitting there and when everyone was kind 111 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: of like voicing their opinions rightfully, so I was like, Wow, 112 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: this is just as intense as it is on TV 113 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: as it's in person. It was crazy. But I feel 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: like everyone when you're in that position, you want your 115 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: voice to be heard and you feel like, you know, 116 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: you don't want it to be overshadowed. So everyone's kind 117 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: of pitching in and so it was very chaotic and 118 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: entertaining to watch. So and it was even more entertaining 119 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: and watch on TV because I was like, oh my gosh, 120 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: I forgot that was said, and that was said, and 121 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: I was like laughing at all of it. It was 122 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of funny and crazy. But well, let's go down 123 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: the list of big moments, big dramatic moments between the girls. 124 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: So first up, well there's the Anastasia thing. Yeah, let's 125 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: go with Anastasia. So Annastasia and Carlie and that drama. 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: Do you feel like Anastasia was getting like for lack 127 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: of a better word like pounded on stage or do 128 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: you feel like you know there was like a side 129 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: that wasn't being told. Yeah, So with Anastasia, she had 130 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: two different points that we were being addressed to her. 131 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: The microaggression, which I feel like that was handled very well. 132 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: That needed to be said and we all need to 133 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: be educated on that. So and I feel like she 134 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: handled that well and she apologized and owned up to it. 135 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: And then the other side was the following and being 136 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: there for the wrong reasons. And you know, I'm even 137 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: though I say out of drama, I do believe that 138 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: everyone should be voicing their opinions and do I believe 139 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: that should be in a respectful way always that I try, 140 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: but it may not always come across that way. I 141 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: think for the most part, everyone was able to vocalize 142 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: what they needed to say. I don't really know how 143 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: I feel about her having a boyfriend. I don't think 144 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: that that's true personally from what I'm from what I 145 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: know from her, I think she's a great girl. I 146 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: don't think she would risk losing a job and all 147 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: of that if she had someone at waiting for her 148 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: at home. And I think she's still single, so if 149 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: she had a boyfriend, I don't think she's dating them now, 150 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: but um so, I don't know. I don't really think 151 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: that that part's true. But I think she handled herself 152 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: well and I respect her for that because that's a 153 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: really tough position to be in when you're getting accused 154 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: of this and you can't really defend yourself without any proof. Yeah, 155 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: I mean you can't. It's been a storyline now for 156 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: a few seasons where somebody comes into it with a 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: boyfriend or a girlfriend and it does it feels like, Hey, 158 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: if you did that, No, probably not smart, but I 159 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: could see that you'd be dating up to the show 160 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: and exploring your options. We've said that. I think that's fine, 161 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: but you can't prove really if you're wrong or right, 162 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: or if you're doing it or not. You know, we're 163 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: getting into the drama a little bit, and I think 164 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: your insight is going to be so valuable to help 165 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: us get perspective. Two questions for you, one just to 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: give us some idea. Did you have your own dressing 167 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: room before Women Tell All? Or are you with the 168 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: group of women in one dressing room hearing all of 169 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: the chatter before the show? I was in a dressing 170 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: room with my one of my really good friends, Jen 171 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: just knows Jenne be on the show. I call her Jen. 172 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: But we were just hanging out, hyping each other up, like, 173 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, just catching up. I haven't seen her in 174 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: a while, so I we didn't really I was helping 175 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: her just like discuss. I knew she was gonna you know, 176 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: educates on microaggression, so we're kind of like talking about 177 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: that topic and you know, I was asking questions, learning 178 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: more about it and you know, understanding it better. And 179 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: so we had really good, meaningful conversations. We weren't really 180 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: gossiping about the girls or anything. And like, because a 181 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of the drama that happened, I don't know if 182 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: it's pre planned or not. I think everyone was just 183 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of vocalizing it as they went, So you know, 184 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: we didn't get to foreshadow of any of that. You know, 185 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, So you know, the drama isn't exactly 186 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: where a producer comes in and says, here are the 187 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: conversations I want you to bring up, and I know 188 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: you're going to bring them up. It just happens because 189 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: people want their moment. They're angry or they're upset and 190 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: they voiced them on a stage and then we see 191 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: how it plays out. And that's what makes women tell 192 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: all beautiful and also sometimes very awkward. Speaking of awkward, Ashley, 193 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: I want to know if you had a feeling about this, 194 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: and Jess, I want to hear yours as well. This 195 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: is the first time I can remember ever, you know, 196 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: on the Bachelor franchise, a franchise that holds himself to 197 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: a very high standard, and I think this season especially 198 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: feels like a throwback. It feels like, you know, a 199 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: really good season of not a ton of drama, a 200 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: lot of character development, a lot of tough breakups. It 201 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: feels like maybe of a season six years ago. But 202 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: this was the first time I've ever heard the show 203 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: introduced next week as sex Week. I'm pretty sure that 204 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: that's because Zach coined it himself, right, He said something 205 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: along the lines up, I know this is Fantasy Sweets Week, 206 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: which is basically sex week, but I don't want to 207 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: participate in that. Yeah, okay, so it doesn't feel weird 208 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: to you two that it's called sex week. Now, it's 209 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: not fantasy seek, it's not they Jesse made a point 210 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: of saying like Zach coined it as sex week, so 211 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: it's only going to be called that this season as 212 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: a sort of joke. Okay, good. I didn't want to 213 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: keep going, maybe imagine. Yeah, I don't think it should 214 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: keep going. I thought it got weird there for a second, 215 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: but okay, that's it, Ashley, back to the girl's drama. Okay, 216 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: So the other like sort of villainous person we had 217 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: this week this year was Christina. Tell us a scoop 218 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: on Christina in the house. We know that she got 219 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: kind of a bad rap because she kept talking about 220 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: her time with Zach. You know, like if people are like, 221 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: we don't really want to hear about your time with Zach. 222 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: He's even really self centered about this. Was that who 223 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: she was or was there more to her? Do you 224 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: think that she got eliminated too early? Yeah? So Christina 225 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: is one of the women in the house that I 226 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: actually didn't spend that much time with. It kind of 227 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: how it worked out, like she got that one on 228 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: right away, and then um, I had a group day, 229 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: and then we had the football day and her team 230 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: once and then she had the after parties. So I 231 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: didn't want get to spend how much time with her 232 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: from what I gathered, Like, you know, I think she 233 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: really does mean well. UM, I think she just was 234 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: unaware of, you know, maybe some comments that she made 235 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: in the house that maybe made people uncomfortable. UM. I 236 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: personally was never in a conversation with her long enough 237 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: to where I could point those things out. UM. I 238 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: think she's she's kind, and I don't think that she 239 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: intended to go into this butting heads with anyone. And 240 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: I think that's very obvious with how she kept trying 241 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: to apologize and speak on her part. But UM, I 242 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: just from what I heard from the other women, she 243 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: did make them uncomfortable and she did put them in 244 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: positions where they, you know, wanted to remove themselves from, 245 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. But thankfully, like I never got to 246 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: experience it. So um, it's just kind of hear hearsay 247 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: from what I got. Can you can you elaborate on 248 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: how she made them feel uncomfortable? Um? Yeah. So I 249 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: know with the situation when Charity got her her group date, 250 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: Rose and Christina you know kind of took her a 251 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: moment from her and was you know confused and why 252 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: and you know all of that it really upset Charity 253 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: and rightfully. So I think if I got that group 254 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: date rose and someone said they were confused why they 255 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: didn't get it, I would be like, what, Um, so 256 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: it's just situations like that. Um, I think she was 257 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: free to open to really talk about it. But it's 258 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: a time and place when you can, and like those 259 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: are the moments that like aren't yours to take? Makes sense? 260 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: So I'm curious because you said it a few times now, 261 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: you stayed out of a lot of this, like it's 262 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: here say to you, right, you're not seeing this, you're 263 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: not a part of it, but you're around a while 264 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: so you're obviously there for a lot of these experiences. 265 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: How did you stay out of it? Like? What was 266 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: Was it just luck? Was it kind of your personality? 267 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Would you do? Yeah? So pretty much my whole life, 268 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: I've always been in positions where, um, you know, in 269 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: college or in high school as a youth group leader 270 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: or in college as a new member educator with inclusion 271 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: and stuff like, I've just always been able to understand 272 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: people's perspectives on situations. And you know, there was a 273 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: part like in the Bahamas where I tried to speak 274 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: up about the Kylie and Honestasia situation, and I was 275 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: told that it's not my place too, so I think 276 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: then moving on, like, I just kind of realized it's 277 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: not m am. I allowed people. I'm allowed to say 278 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: not people told you that you weren't allowed to get 279 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: involved in that drama. Yeah, so they're either having her 280 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: best interests they're not. You hear, either do it or 281 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: you don't. It's one of those which I understand it's 282 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: not my place to speak on. So it was just 283 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: one of those things where I like, if I wasn't 284 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: passionate on something, I wasn't going to the voice in 285 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: my opinion. But I guess it's luck. When the whole 286 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: thing with Kat and Brooklyn happened, I did speak with 287 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: her privately about it and explained to her how it 288 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: was wrong. And you know, we were roommates, so that's 289 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: how I was able to do that because we were 290 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: together in a room or else that would have been 291 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: filmed and aired, but we were. So it's just I 292 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: guess it's luck in those situations. Well, that brings up 293 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: I feel like my third and final point of intense 294 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: girl Drama, which when I say intense, you guys probably 295 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: had the least amount of drama that we've seen in 296 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: a lot of seasons, which was nice for us I 297 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: think as an audience, it was in my perspective and 298 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: probably for you as a cast as well. But yeah, 299 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: I want to get into Kat and Brooklyn a little bit, 300 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: because Brooklyn doesn't seem over it, and it didn't even 301 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: happen to Brooklyn. It happened to Charity. Charity was the 302 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: one who you know, had to go on a date 303 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: after a guy already kissed Kat and Charity, yeah, she 304 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: was just like all right, um, I mean that's not 305 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the nicest thing, but also moving on and Brooklyn, just 306 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: like a Kat said, just days later, kept bringing it up. 307 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: Why do you think Brooklyn had such a thing after 308 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: Kat back a couple weeks ago. My theory was that 309 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: she was just very intimidated by her, as I felt 310 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: like she was the obvious frontrunner there. We were very wrong. 311 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: You know, in that moment, a lot of the women, 312 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: including myself, we're very confused why Kat did that. You know, 313 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: we are dating the same man, so you know, you can, 314 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: you have the right to speak to him, but again 315 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: time and place, so all of us were confused. I 316 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: remember when when Kat walked away all them and looked 317 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: at me, and they were like because me and cart 318 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: close and they were like, well, why is she doing that? 319 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: And I was like, I have no idea, Like she 320 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: didn't run that by me, So we were all confused. 321 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: And because I think Brooklyn, you know, has a voice 322 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: and she's not afraid to use it, and that's one 323 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: of her really really good friends. I think she she 324 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be able to speak for charity when charity 325 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: wasn't present because she went on her date, and maybe 326 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: Kat's response wasn't fitting what Brooklyn needed, and so Brooklyn 327 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: kind of kept it going. You know, I think Kat 328 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: she did, I know, Kat apologize and she was doing 329 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: her best. I don't really know why the drama continued. 330 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: I you know, it wasn't it wasn't a lot of 331 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: it's hard off, but we all agreed that like it 332 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: was the wrong thing to do. But did it need 333 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: to be continued into a multiple day conversation. Probably not. Yeah, 334 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: And really we didn't say of anything there. On the 335 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Women Tell All stage, Jesse used that as a lead 336 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: in to solving these problems further and Bachelor in Paradise, 337 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: how much did you hear the word Paradise be thrown 338 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: around at Women Tell All amongst the girls, amongst the producers, 339 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: because a lot of the times we feel like Women 340 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: Tell All is kind of an audition tape for your 341 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: spot in Paradise. Yeah, I you know, heard it here 342 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: and there, but I think I don't know, I don't 343 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: really know I answered that question. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah, 344 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: Paradise turn around a lot. I don't know if some 345 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: of those the women's intentions were to you know, get 346 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: a spot on Paradise or not. I didn't really put 347 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: that much thought into it. But for the most part, 348 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: the drama that did happen on the show, there was 349 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: never a resolution to it, and so I think a 350 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: lot of the women, regardless of Paradise or not, they 351 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: went into it wanting to get that resolution. And we 352 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: may not have seen a resolution really, but I think, 353 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, that's something that they can work towards in 354 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: para on Paradise or a camera was. We're all friends 355 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: and really close, so you know, Jess, I have to 356 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: pause here for a second, because we do. We do 357 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: get to interview a lot of people coming off the show, 358 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: and everybody's great when you get to meet him, you 359 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: seem to have a very level head on your shoulders, 360 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: which oftentimes from a viewer's point of view, goes, she's 361 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: too good for this show or she's too good for 362 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: this experience. And right now, as you're answering these questions 363 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: and talking through, you know, situations that you weren't involved in, 364 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: and you're doing it in a really graceful and kind way, 365 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: which makes me go, yeah, she is. She's probably too 366 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: good for this show. But the show needs people like 367 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: jes to come onto it because they are great people 368 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: to have be ambassadors for the show. So if Paradise 369 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: came to you and said, hey, Jess, this might not 370 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: be your cup of tea, this might make you feel weird. 371 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: It's going to be a whole new environment, but we 372 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: want you to try Paradise right now, what would you say? Yes? 373 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: So I knew going into this. I think one of 374 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: my biggest fears when I was going said yes to 375 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: the Bachelor and was, you know, running towards it, was 376 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: are these women going to be nice to me? Like? 377 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: Can I handle that? And you know, thankfully we got 378 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: a season that everyone for the most part was kind 379 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and respectful, to each other. And I am someone that 380 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: if the opportunity is given to me, that means I'm 381 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: ready for it. And I would definitely do Paradise if 382 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: there is someone that I was interested in. I'm a 383 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: hopeless romantic and you know I'm looking for love and 384 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm looking for that opportunity. Yes, I'm not someone that 385 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: brings drama to the able, but that doesn't mean you 386 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: can't you're not qualified or good enough to find love. Um. 387 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: You know, there are so many great personalities that and 388 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: you know everyone brings something different to the table. And 389 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, whereas I might not be the loudest in 390 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: the room, that doesn't mean I'm not a good friend, 391 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean I'm not a good partner, and 392 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that I'm not capable of being just 393 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: as deserving to be there. So I don't think anyone 394 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: is too good for the show because I think that 395 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: takes away from the other women. I think it's more 396 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: so that it's just a different personality if Jess isn't 397 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: on Paradise. Actually I'm right, I know I'm not happy 398 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: if I don't get to watch Jess, and I have 399 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: a fireside of me like you guys saw that with Zach, 400 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: like when I when I was crying and I like 401 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: kind of a little laugh in there like that, Like 402 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: my best guy friends texted me and was like, that's 403 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: the laugh that I know you're about to like go 404 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: off and you're like holding it Like I like, I 405 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: have that side to me, like a very passionate and 406 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: fiery side. I just I'm not going to bring it 407 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: out if it's not organic, and there was never a 408 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: moment like I'm not going to force him. I want 409 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: to watch the screen and be like I recognize that person. 410 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like confused. So well, that's 411 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: a perfect segue then into your hot seat, you know, 412 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: to get us started on the hot seat, Jess, give 413 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: us perspective. You look back now and your time with 414 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Zach and your time on the show, and you're fresh 415 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: off of the woman, Tell all, what did you feel 416 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: for Zach? What did you think was there now with 417 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: hindsight now maybe different during the experience, but now with hindsight, 418 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: what did you feel towards him, like when I saw 419 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: him walk out or just looking back on your time 420 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: on the show, was it was it as real as 421 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: you thought it was? Yeah, so you know, I really 422 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: did have I like word it a lot on the show, 423 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: but it was the way I described my feelings for 424 00:22:58,280 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Zach was I had a really big crush on him, 425 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: and that's pretty much as far as we took it, 426 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: and watching it, you know, I felt very validated in 427 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: what I was feeling, because I mean I was seeing 428 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: myself fall for him, and um, that's what I felt 429 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: and that's what I remembered. So it definitely was like 430 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: a refresher. I think there was a part where, like 431 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, he said like just be strong and 432 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: like hold out like pretty much just not verbatim, but 433 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of what he meant, and like it just 434 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: was like validating to know, like, yeah, what I felt 435 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: was real and it was reciprocated. And you know, although 436 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 1: the exit wasn't it did it felt very one sided, 437 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: like looking back, like I wasn't alone in the relationship 438 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: that we had, so watching it it definitely brought those 439 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: emotions of like validation but also just like oh that sucks, 440 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: like didn't work out, but like I think he's great 441 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: and I'm there was never any hard feelings and you know, 442 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: I wished him the best, but it was definitely hard 443 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: to watch it and be like, yeah, like I did 444 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: feel that, and you know it was real. There had 445 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: to have been a little hard feelings after you left 446 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: so abruptly after this argument, where like you guys just 447 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: didn't see eyed eye at all. And as an audience, 448 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: and I think you feel the audience response, we were 449 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: all like, Zack, how can you not see why she's upset? 450 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: It's very obvious. And as somebody who was on the show, 451 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: Ben and I talked about this, you know during that 452 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: episode that you left, where like, it really does take 453 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: a one on one for you to feel comfortable in 454 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: opening up, because if you start a serious conversation like 455 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: with ten fifteen minutes of one on one time on 456 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: a group date, it just doesn't feel appropriate. So was 457 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: there more to the conversation that we didn't see on TV? Yeah, 458 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: the conversation, so it kind of thundered around my nerves 459 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: with him and me not being comfortable, and that was 460 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: why my argument was I just needed time And I 461 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: addressed this literally night one, sitting with him on the 462 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: steps in front of the mansions, I was like, I 463 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: get nervous around men that I like, I it's something 464 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not like I learned to love about myself, 465 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't help it, but this is 466 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: who I am, and you know I can say and 467 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: i'm this is how I am. And he thought it 468 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: was cute, and I like he was just like, that's 469 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: so endearing. And so I never felt like there was 470 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: a reason to worry about it and like change who 471 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,239 Speaker 1: I was because I thought he accepted it and it 472 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: was okay. And you know, all the women like we 473 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: get close, they knew about it and they comforted me 474 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: about it and they were like, that's what makes you 475 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: just like you have nothing to worry about. So I 476 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay. And then going into estonia, I 477 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: was like, something is off, Like I don't like he's 478 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: given me all this reassurance, but there's no actions following 479 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: the words that he's giving me, So like what what 480 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: could be the reason? And the back of my mind 481 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 1: it was like, is it my nerves? Is it? Might 482 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: like is is he seeing that as a red flag? 483 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: But also he's never told me, he's never mentioned that 484 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: as a red flag to me before, so that would 485 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: be very dishonest of him if that if he were 486 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: to bring that up now. So that's why I was confused, 487 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: and I think that's why the conversation, like we were 488 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: butting heads because I was like, if this was a problem, why, 489 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: Like I'm confused, Like that's you know, you thought that 490 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: that was endearing and you liked that about me up 491 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: until this point, And like if if he had told 492 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: me that sooner, what could have happened? And if you 493 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: knew that I'm nervous and I, you know, take a second, 494 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you give me that time for me to 495 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: get comfortable. So it just was like, I'm confused. There's 496 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: a solution to this here. I don't understand. What's the confusion. 497 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, but when you looked back, or even when 498 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: you're not looking back, even when you're sitting in the 499 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: back of like the dump vehicle, did you wonder if 500 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: I didn't bring that up tonight, would I still be Oh? 501 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: Of course I wonder that. Because so in the moment 502 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: when I got sent home, like in reality, not watching 503 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: it back when I came home, I was so confused, 504 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: Like explaining it to my family, I was like, I 505 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: don't I don't understand. And when I watched it back, 506 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I think My biggest takeaway was he 507 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: was that upset, like there was no emotion when I 508 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: was talking to him. I thought I was in the 509 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: wrong for a while until the show aired and I 510 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: saw his reaction and I got to actually watch like 511 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: how he was speaking to me, in his facial expressions, 512 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I wasn't in the wrong. And 513 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: so it took me a while to kind of process 514 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: the situation because when you don't watch it back and 515 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: you're relying on your memory in a situation where you 516 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: were already anxious and nervous and feeling all these things, 517 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: you don't really remember clearly, and so on the hot 518 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: seat when I was watching it, and I that's why 519 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: I was like more smiling than crying, because I was like, 520 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: I was just proud of myself because I didn't remember 521 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: half of that, and you should be proud of yourself. 522 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: Your hand, you handle yourself so nicely. That scene. I 523 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: saw a meme last night. It was awesome. Maybe last 524 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: it said it had a picture of you standing there 525 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: talking to Zach and I said, how I can't I 526 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: forget the start of it, But pretty much the point was, 527 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: how in the world would this girl expect to get 528 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: a date on a dating show, like, like, why in 529 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: the world would she think that a date was should 530 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: be given to her on a dating show. I thought 531 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: it was so good, Like, yes, of course you wanted 532 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: a date. You know. It brings up the point we've 533 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: said it all season, and I know you listened to 534 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: our podcast every week, so you've probably heard it. But 535 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, he said, I don't think Zach's a bad dude. 536 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bad bachelor. I think he's 537 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: there for the right reasons, and I think he really 538 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: wants to find love. I think the only critique, which 539 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: is again very minimal compared to most seasons that we watch, 540 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: we critique pretty heavily, is that it felt like he 541 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: just wasn't hearing some of the messages and words that 542 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: the women were communicating. And maybe their response, and I 543 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: want you to respond to this, Jess, would be that 544 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: he already knew that he was going to send these 545 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: people home before they voice their concerns, like maybe before 546 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: it even went into it and they voice their insecurities, 547 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: he just had bad luck, and as soon as they 548 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: opened their hearts up to him, he had already decided 549 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: they were going home. And so it just played out 550 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: terribly on television for him, or he really was not 551 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: hearing what you were saying. And you know when you 552 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: watched when we watch your moment back, what I was 553 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: hearing was this girl just wants to spend more time 554 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: with you. She really likes you, she's interested in you, 555 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: she just wants to get to know you better. And 556 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: she's like almost complimenting you by saying, I just I 557 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: just want to be around you more, which is a 558 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: great compliment. So Jess, knowing the concern or the critique 559 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: that people are giving Zach, knowing that you're in that situation, 560 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: one of the examples of that, what would you say? 561 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: You know? Honestly, I think it's a bit of both. 562 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: I think he you know, he has a good head 563 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: on his shoulders, so I think he has an idea 564 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: if this is his person or not, so regardless of 565 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: the conversation, if he's if he knows in his heart, 566 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: he's going to make that decision. However, I think there's 567 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: a factor in it of you know, he could he 568 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: could have worked on how he listens and how he 569 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: approaches conversations. You can still send someone home, but do 570 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: it in a you know, a caring and compassionate way. 571 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: But also it's hard to judge him when in his position, 572 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: Like how do you do that when someone is so 573 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: invested in you? Like, it's just it's a hard position 574 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: to be in. But um, you know, I obviously I'm 575 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: watching the show and I see how he handles some 576 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: conversations and he could have he could have easily done 577 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: it way better. And I'm sure he's watching it and 578 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: thinking the same thing. But you know, I think because 579 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: he has that good head on his shoulders, he knows, Okay, 580 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: I don't like this, like or not. I don't like 581 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: but this girl might not be my wife, my fiance, 582 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: so I'm going to send her home. This is awkward 583 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: that she's kind of venting to me about her life, 584 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: but kind of gotta do it. So Yeah, sometimes in 585 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: those conversations, I feel like he's lacking sensitivity. Do you agree? Um? Yes, 586 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean I'm speaking on my position. I think, you know, 587 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: he even brought that up at Woman's till all that 588 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: he wasn't understanding my point, and I think it could 589 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: have been such an easy solution. There was a point 590 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: where I was like, I hear you, I hear what 591 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: you're saying, Like, can you hear what I'm saying? And 592 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: all he had to do was like, maybe I wasn't 593 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: articulating what I was saying. The best way I could 594 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: have stopped saying one on one probably yeah, But I mean, 595 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, he could have also been like, well, what 596 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Let's figure it out, let's 597 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: come to an understanding. And he wasn't. He kind of 598 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: just in his head figured out or kind of came 599 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: up with an idea of what I'm trying to say 600 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: and then stuck with it instead of trying to dig 601 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: deeper into understand So, speaking for myself, I think he 602 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: could have been more sensitive, and I feel like his 603 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: apology kind of sounds like he would agree to that 604 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: as well. Let's jump in to the other couple of 605 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: hot seats that existed. Some of them celebratory charity, right, 606 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: some of them a little tougher like Greer. You know, 607 00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: greer situation is interesting to me Ashley as a more 608 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: of a curiosity. I don't think there's anything wrong obviously 609 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: with Greer approaching um something that she did on social media. 610 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, she defended a black face post that was 611 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: really you know, probably why she was in the hot seat. 612 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: It was most It was most of the conversation. I'm 613 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: intrigued at how this happened though for her and not 614 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: happening with Eric from last season, who was Gabby's choice 615 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: at the end. Well, I think it's obvious what happened here. 616 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I think they got a lot of flack for not 617 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: addressing it with Eric when I was watching the scene 618 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: with Greer and having wondering, like trying to rack my 619 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: brain on whether or not they brought it up at all. Yeah. 620 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: So I can't say that they did it or not, 621 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: but I know that if they even did, it was 622 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: a small little blip on the radar. Yeah. Um, so 623 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: I think that that's why Jesse said, like, we're not 624 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: really good to address things like this on the show, 625 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: so we want to really make a point to do 626 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: so right now. Okay, So you think it was a 627 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: response like learning from mistakes previously, it was a response 628 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: to get better this time. That's fair, that's great. I 629 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: appreciate that insight. So, Jesse, you were in the room. 630 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: You you know Greer a lot better than we do 631 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: because we've never met her. What's your take on the situation? Um, 632 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: what's your take on the response from the other women 633 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: and from maybe even grew personally if you're able to 634 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: be around her. Yeah, So, I mean, that's a very 635 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: tough conversation to have, and it's even tougher for someone 636 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: to grow from it and be able to speak on it. 637 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I've props to her for being able to, 638 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, admit to her wrongs and speak on that. 639 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the women, you know, 640 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: we're really proud because, um, you know, I know that 641 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: she when it happened, when it came out, she wanted 642 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: to address it, and I think she made like an 643 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: Instagram story or something about it, which you know, she 644 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: did that on her own. And I respect that a 645 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: lot because I think a lot of times in this 646 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: franchise and just in general, people don't like to admit 647 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: when they're in the wrong and don't want to have 648 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: those uncomfortable conversations that bring a lot of controversy. And 649 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: for her to kind of want to write her wrongs 650 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: is very highly respectful and it was the right thing 651 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: to do. I'm really glad she got to address it. 652 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that this franchise address that they're not 653 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: good at addressing this, and I think that speaks volume. 654 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that we can continue going towards that 655 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: direction of correcting each other and holding accountability for us. 656 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: But I thought Career, you know, spoke her truth and 657 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,479 Speaker 1: did her best, and she is a great person at heart, 658 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: and you know, I know that that took a toll 659 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: on her, and um, so I I respect her for 660 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: being able to go up there because that's that's nerve racking, 661 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: and everything she was saying was coming from the heart 662 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: to what I to my understanding. So it's very well, Um, 663 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: that's really well put and just you know, a genuine response. 664 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: And and I'm glad that you and Ashley both pointed 665 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: out that the show acknowledged that they aren't good at 666 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: this and that they wanted to approach it. And so 667 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: I think with that, I say, well well done. Well 668 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: Kat sat in the hot seat, not a lot there 669 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: to discuss in depth. It felt like it was kind 670 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: of just a cyclical conversation um that had existed already 671 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: on the show, and there wasn't you know. The beauty 672 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: of that is that Kat now has a better relationship 673 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: with her mom, which is huge. So let's jump into charity. 674 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: Charity obviously a fan favorite, somebody just recently gone home, 675 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: somebody that's still close to the viewer's heart, somebody to 676 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: also celebrate. Jess, tell us about charity. What do you 677 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: know and see in charity? Charity is just a ball 678 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: at sunshine. She truly like what is so great about 679 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: her is she is just as kind and generous as 680 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: you see on the show as she is in person. 681 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: I remember in London, you know, she was going through 682 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: her own issues and she still took the time to 683 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: comfort career and I feel like that says a lot 684 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: about someone to take away you're what you're going through 685 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: to be there for someone, And I just like that's 686 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: in her nature. It's what she does her job, and 687 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: it's what she does with her friendships. And I respect her. 688 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: I think her being the boucherette is a phenomenal choice. 689 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: I sent over a devotional book for her to take 690 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: on her journey. She is a woman of faith and I, 691 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited for her. I she is so 692 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: deserving of love. And you know, it was heartbreaking to 693 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: watch her hometown episode. Me and my mom are both 694 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: going on the couch. Her family is so beautiful, and 695 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: you could just tell, like with the community that she 696 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: surrounds herself with, that she just is a very good person. 697 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: And you know, we need I mean, we've always had 698 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: good people as leads, but you know it's good to 699 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: continue to have someone that can speak so well, can 700 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: treat people so well. And you know, I think she's 701 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: learned a lot from this season with you know, how 702 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Zach approached things, and I think she's going to be 703 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: able to take that and be in a phenomenal bat shot. 704 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: We've had mostly good leads, mostly nice leads. Season twenty 705 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: had some issues, but for the most part, we've had 706 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: some incredible people. That's a self deprecate I can't wait. 707 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch her. I'm so pumped because 708 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: I do I think, you know, being somebody of faith, 709 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: being somebody there for the right reasons, learning from not 710 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: the multitude of mistakes that Zach made. I don't think 711 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: there's like a plethora of things that he did wrong. 712 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: Yet I'm worried about what's so excited for next week? 713 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think it's she's just gonna 714 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: be an incredible bachelorette and h I'm ecstatic. I didn't 715 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: expect it shockingly, like I did not know she would 716 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: be named the lead, But I'm really glad you did. 717 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,720 Speaker 1: I think all for the Top girls really are almost 718 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: equal in their running, and I think I would have 719 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: been equally as excited for any of them that were 720 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: crowned Bachelorette. Just do you think that that Charity was 721 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: really genuinely surprised when she was in that dressing room 722 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: and they brought the camera and Jesse in oh one 723 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: hundred percent, So where I was sitting, it was Charity 724 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: Brooklyn and then me and Jesse kept repeating like we 725 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: have a surprise for it's going to change a woman's life, 726 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, we were kind of like looking around at 727 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: each other. I're looking at Charity because I was like, 728 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: they would be crazy not to, you know, offer it 729 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: to her. So I was like, do you know what's 730 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: going are you bout bachelrette? And she was like, they 731 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: didn't tell me anything. I don't know what's going on. 732 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: And she was like she literally goes, no, no way. 733 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: She's like, there's no way, and I was like, oh okay. 734 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: So we had no idea. So we were kind of 735 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: like trying to figure out what was going on, Like 736 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: I think I came up with the idea of like 737 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: maybe someone's gonna get chosen from the audience and gets 738 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 1: to like hang out with Zach. Like like I was like, 739 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,319 Speaker 1: what is this because we all left, and you know, 740 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: Charity left with us, so I like, I didn't think anything. 741 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: I went into Pressed right after, so I didn't see 742 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: that they took her to a different room or anything, 743 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: but we were all walking towards the exit together. So 744 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: I was like surprised too watching it back, and you 745 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: know that was her genuine, humble reaction to it, and 746 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: you know you could tell she was like thinking, they're 747 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: playing a game, you know, and so that was really 748 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: cool to watch and special. Okay, well we want to 749 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: talk more to you, but before we wrap up the 750 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: Women Tell All episode, got to talk about bloopers. The 751 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: bloopers were on points. There have been years and years 752 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: now of disappointing bloopers. These ones really lived up and 753 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the blooper real At the end, Jesse 754 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: also showed about three scenes and including that like twerking 755 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: scene so good. It really showed a lot of personality 756 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: with the girls, and that's the kind of footage that 757 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,760 Speaker 1: people asked to see and they really delivered and showing 758 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: them during women's at all And I really I always 759 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: say it way too often, but if only they peppered 760 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: some of those scenes throughout, I agrees, people would get 761 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: so much more attached to these characters, really feel like 762 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: they get to know them better. Like that scene where 763 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: Zach thought that it was mold m o led wine 764 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: was amazing. I was sorry, mold wine, but it's actually 765 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I agree. I feel like a lot 766 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: of the episodes they did kind of like the the credits, 767 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: they would show like little bloopers and stuff, which I 768 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,800 Speaker 1: thought was funny. But I agree, like, you know, showing 769 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: our personalities more so people can kind of like relate 770 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: to us and kind of you know, form a special 771 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: bond with you know, the contestants and want to continue watching. Um. 772 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: But those bloopers were hilarious in the twerking scene, like 773 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: you just see me like breaking out, and I like 774 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: ran scion because I was like I cannot be a 775 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: part of this, like I will not. So I was 776 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: watching them do that and I was dying laughing and 777 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: they all did really really good. I was like, you 778 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: guys look great. Yeah, I know. I started squeezing my 779 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: butt cheeks back and forth. I was like, can I 780 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: do this? And then there's a tortillas slaps. Yeah. I 781 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: was on a plane. I was just going back and 782 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: forth a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't do it 783 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: up but maybe later. And then there was a cute 784 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: like tortilla slapping thing. All of them are very good 785 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: demonstrations of what we actually do to pass the time 786 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: when we have no phones, no TVs and all of that. 787 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: Then the tarantula, we must talk about. This tarantula was 788 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: that in the Bahamas? No, that was in the mansion 789 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: and well, I wait, no, I think I'm wrong. There 790 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: was something wrong and there was some bug that was 791 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: in the mansion. They didn't play it, but like we 792 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: were like all freaking out, and I think Mercedes was 793 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: the one that went and grabbed it. Um and I 794 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 1: don't grab a tarantula, and you don't call it a bug. 795 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: It wasn't a tarantula. It was like it was like 796 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: a really I kept saying, it was like an oversized ant. 797 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: It was like a really big ant. I don't know, 798 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: you have the Beatles, the big Beatle. I forget what 799 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: the kind of beatle like the like the floor, the 800 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: palm beetles or something like that. They're they're massive, they're 801 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: all over. I'm not familiar with California insects, but whatever 802 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: that was, I'm thankful it's not in Porta because it 803 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: was so so ginormous. Like, oh, that's not fun. Yeah, 804 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they showed that. It's Uh, the mansion 805 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: is amazing. Is an amazing place. It's beautiful. It's luxuria 806 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: is that also has doors open all day long with 807 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: lights on inside, so you can imagine what that looks 808 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: like by the end of the day. Jess. To close 809 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: up here, final question for you again. We're gonna be 810 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: bringing Jess back for an end depth episode to get 811 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 1: to learn all about Jess because I have a feeling 812 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna be watching more of Jess in the coming years, 813 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,479 Speaker 1: which we're pumped about. But before we get there, Jess, 814 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: if you know what happens at the end, just say it. 815 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: I can't talk about it because I know what happens. 816 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: If you don't know what happens at the end, what's 817 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: your theory on what happens? And I'm not giving up 818 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: this tradition what happens during Fantasy Suite Week. I do 819 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: know what happens perfect, don't talk about it all right. 820 00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: We'll be back next time with Jess doing an in 821 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: depth episode. Until then, I've been been, I've been, Ashley 822 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: and Jess. Who have you been, I've been, Jess. Yes. 823 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 824 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts