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Speaker 1: Guess what decision we're about to make. Horrible decision what

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Speaker 1: This is this is everybody's favorite type of episode.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, I mean it really is. Like if

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Speaker 2: you're in LAD in the fucking house.

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Speaker 3: They're like, why are you guys interviewing an Instagram comedia

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Speaker 3: like get the poorn stars?

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Speaker 1: They don't even I don't want us to do anything else.

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Speaker 1: They don't want us to talk to each other. They're like,

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Speaker 1: who else? No, when we talk to each other, let's

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Speaker 1: be very close. No, but what I'm talking about Moen

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Speaker 1: were in LA, it's like.

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Speaker 4: This really good rapport here. I like it, good energy,

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Speaker 4: it's good energy and energy you guys.

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Speaker 1: Here that I'm not gonna lie. Well, we're in New York.

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Speaker 2: There's it makes us to get all the like kinksus.

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Speaker 2: But when we come to LA, it's like, no, it's

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Speaker 2: time for og porn Valley. Let's see who the fuck

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Speaker 2: we can lock in because all y'all live out here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they if they were here, are you

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Speaker 1: And they're still here?

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Speaker 3: Like I feel like the ones that were really successful

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Speaker 1: I know, I know a lot of unsuccessful ones still

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Speaker 4: I mean, Los Angeles is home. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: Not the real by the way, we're from Orange County.

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Speaker 1: Chop City. Oh yeah, there's an Orange County in Orlando.

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Speaker 1: It's every ghetto.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well it's very different.

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Speaker 1: Yes city here with Jenna.

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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, if those of you never have

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Speaker 3: heard of Jenna, I just would implore you to go

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Speaker 3: back to HBO d's because that's how I learned about you.

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Speaker 4: Actually, you know, that's how a lot of people learned

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Speaker 4: down in the valley Pornacopeia thing, right, that's special?

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Speaker 1: Lot about that? Yeah, which one did you see? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What were you thinking?

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Speaker 3: I remembered like watching maybe crossover movies in HBO that

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Speaker 1: For Wait, wait did you pay did you get paid

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Speaker 4: No, we would never get paid double. It was just

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Speaker 3: But you're right though, because when I had to jerk

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Speaker 4: Well, and then I worked at like Toys rest stocking

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Speaker 2: Even though I broke for you. I'm going to ask

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Speaker 4: I haven't watched porn for pleasures since I got into

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Speaker 4: Belatana of all time of all times, all time. She

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Speaker 4: We did scene together, We hosted the Avian Awards together

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: Hello love her Okay, favorite porn to make.

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Speaker 4: I liked Basically I liked kind of just like Gonzo,

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Speaker 4: like stripped teas right into sex. Like those were just

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Speaker 3: You didn't have to be like I met Taco Bell

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Speaker 1: Well, I've never had to.

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Speaker 4: Or my sister gets on me about this all the time.

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Speaker 4: This was a relationship that I got in in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you were still filming at that time.

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Speaker 4: I do have an only fans, but I only do

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Speaker 4: type con Do you were good? Hold on?

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Speaker 1: Do you think cause it?

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Speaker 1: Like I thought I was coming here for bussy?

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Speaker 4: Well, I have my old scenes up there, like I've

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Speaker 4: been releasing. So what I've been doing is that, like

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Speaker 4: So I'm slowly releasing those on my only fans now,

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Speaker 4: So what I'm doing is I'm doing brand new director's

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Speaker 4: commentary slash reaction videos. So I haven't watched these or

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Speaker 4: I'm going back to I like watching them now. So

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Speaker 4: I'm recording myself, like talk about it the scene, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like what I don't you know what I don't remember?

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Speaker 1: I like that created I've really done a long time.

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Speaker 4: So I'm releasing that on my only fans right now.

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Speaker 4: So every like two months or so, there's going to

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Speaker 2: You can can you tell us like going through watching

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Speaker 4: Well, I've only done my solos for I'm starting with

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Speaker 4: I'm starting there. I'm like ramping up.

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Speaker 4: Also, like the porn that I used to shoot back

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Speaker 4: but yet I got I won Dirtiest Girl in Porn

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Speaker 1: But I had that pulled up and it's crazy, was good,

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Speaker 4: The orgasmic analist is a good one too, an orgasmic oralist.

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Speaker 4: I like those ones.

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Speaker 1: I haven't here.

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Speaker 2: You were nominated two years in a row, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, and you literally say you don't know why.

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Speaker 2: You said there's so many things that I haven't done

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what things then do you consider super dirty

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Speaker 3: Like what you're seeing now? Yeah, that you're seeing now, wow, Okay,

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Speaker 4: There's no there's like a I don't know if it's

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Speaker 4: I don't know. As somebody who's also psychotherapist now and

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Speaker 1: Like Triple Badge is crazy, but I watch it Triple Badge,

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Speaker 4: And then it's very interest like I don't know how

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's like to me, that's very like and

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just like a lot no, like more

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Speaker 1: That there are I don't know. I don't they have

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Speaker 4: Was considered like hardcore, like I did like like two

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Speaker 1: But it was like the poorn I get off to

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Speaker 3: It's like come on her face for and it's like blucocky,

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Speaker 3: but like it has to be specific while they're getting

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Speaker 3: They have to be getting fucked. I like to watch

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I think, Wow, yeah, I want

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Speaker 1: But like the rosebuds and the game, Oh, I don't

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Speaker 2: I can't see like things the pros state be blown

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Speaker 4: A fan of super close like hardcore shots. I like

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Speaker 2: I realize that's kind of my issue then with amateur

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to see both of you, motherfuckers.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely prefer wide shots where I can see what's

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Speaker 3: Especially when there's more than one person. I'm like, why

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Speaker 1: What are they doing? Tech things? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, gets by the way, well, you know, I when

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Speaker 2: dick while this guy is pulling out his soft dick. Now, like,

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00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,639
Speaker 2: there was a lot of going around, and then you

443
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,439
Speaker 2: couldn't really have too much of wide shots because then

444
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,280
Speaker 2: you saw the guys just kind of going off onto

445
00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,359
Speaker 2: the side talking to their dicks, waiting for a t

446
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,240
Speaker 2: Get fact, but you jump back in because there.

447
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,320
Speaker 1: Was no fluck into the Yeah, it was crazy.

448
00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 4: There wasn't all right, buddy, get back in there.

449
00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,440
Speaker 1: That's what I saw. There wasn't fluffer at all. Was

450
00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 1: it like so much? So there's fuff? How can you

451
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 1: talk about there talking about his flu. Weren't really talked

452
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,679
Speaker 1: about fluffers on here.

453
00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,000
Speaker 2: And so when I shared it this is I was

454
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Speaker 2: in the comments and everyone's like, she was definitely a fluffer.

455
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,879
Speaker 4: I was like, iky, just watching, so was a fluff fluffer?

456
00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 4: I have never seen a fluffer on set, but it

457
00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 4: was a thing I guess more in like the seventies

458
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 4: and eighties and maybe nineties. I got into two thousand

459
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 4: and one. My first videos were actually on VHS, which

460
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,439
Speaker 4: is actually kind of funny, but made it, but then

461
00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,640
Speaker 4: it went quickly to DVD and then the Internet took

462
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 4: over and everything like that. But but yeah, you know,

463
00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 4: there used to be fluffers where they would be like

464
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 4: a girl that would be there on the side in

465
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Speaker 4: order to keep the male talent hard and ready to go,

466
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,480
Speaker 4: which I'm just kind of like, why can't you do

467
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 4: that with the partner that he's just with, Like why

468
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,360
Speaker 4: can't Like that's kind of maybe.

469
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Speaker 1: That's why it's not there anywhere. By the way, fluffer

470
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 1: exactly why I've never seen one on set.

471
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Speaker 4: Okay, I think it's funny that this has brought up

472
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Speaker 4: because I just brought it up on my Instagram story

473
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Speaker 4: because somebody mentioned it on some show I was watching

474
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Speaker 4: and I thought it was hilarious, and so I posted

475
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Speaker 4: my story and then no, no, no, it's no and

476
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 4: I feel it.

477
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Speaker 1: Fluffer please, I want to talk to a fluffer. I'm

478
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Speaker 1: going to tell you why. I know it's real.

479
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 4: So I used to definitely because that's a dictionary and everything.

480
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's addiction.

481
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it's in the diction.

482
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 3: Then, so I was supposed to film. I was with

483
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: Donny Darko watching him. Okay, Oh, I like him. He's

484
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 3: really nice, very like you can tell you don't do

485
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 3: it forever, and he uses the resconzo too, which isn't

486
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,360
Speaker 3: as used anymore.

487
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 4: Really. No.

488
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: The fluffer is a person employed to keep a porn

489
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 2: performer's penis erect on the set. After setting up the

490
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: desired angle, the director asks the actors on on the

491
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: After setting up the desired angle, the director asked the

492
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 2: actors to hold position and calls for the fluffer to

493
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: fluff the actors for the shot.

494
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Speaker 1: These duties are considered part of the makeup department. While

495
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: fluffing does not.

496
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 2: Necessarily involve touching the actors, it couldn't tail sexual acts

497
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 2: such as balatio or non penetrative sex.

498
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: That's really my contract. People don't want to do it,

499
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,479
Speaker 1: so make up.

500
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: Johnny Darko is showing me how he makes a porn right,

501
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 3: I'm doing it on this TV show. Eight guys come

502
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 3: in for this blowbang, and I got so nervous for

503
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 3: some reason, because I realized all my camera guys and

504
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 3: the producers are men, and it's only me and her,

505
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: so they're about to get their dick suck and they're

506
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: staring at me. They weren't rude or anything, but I'm

507
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 3: getting nervous because I'm like and then they're like, were

508
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: you in the scene. I'm like, no, I'm just a journalist.

509
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 3: So I run out right, not like crazy run, but

510
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 3: I actually I got to step out for call. My

511
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: producer's like, what's going on? He was gay and British.

512
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: What's going on?

513
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: I was like, I just I don't think I can

514
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 3: do it. I don't think I could finish. I don't

515
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 3: think I want to watch it. I just kind of

516
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,120
Speaker 3: feel funny.

517
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: He was like, wheezy, I respect you, but you owe

518
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: me eight dicks, bitch except to be and we left.

519
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 3: I really could not handle it, and I think it's

520
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: because later I found out they must have thought I

521
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 3: was like the fluffer because Johnny was basically telling them

522
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: move to the side, like move out of the frame,

523
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 3: like if your dick gets soft, And.

524
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Speaker 1: I was right there in the corner, and I'm like, no, I'm.

525
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 4: Sure I certainly like gave them eye candy.

526
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: I did.

527
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 4: Also, speaking of eye candy visual stimulation, I met Jenna Person.

528
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: Out of Questloves No Game Night in l A and

529
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: when I saw her, I came up to him. He

530
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 1: was playing. I whispered in his ear, I'm freaking out,

531
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: freaking out, freaking out and he's like, why, no way,

532
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: and he goes, uh, what do you say from who?

533
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: Let me guess? I was like, guess, Christy Tigan. No.

534
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 3: Then he said Tyler the Creator, no, babyface no. And

535
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: then he turns he goes, oh, it's you, Jenna Hayes.

536
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: I was like, how did this happen? Oh my god?

537
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: I stopped down. I said, are you playing? I'm gonna

538
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: I think I kicked wherever you were falling, by the way.

539
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: But for me, it was such a fun night was fine.

540
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: I want to go to another one of those, girl

541
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 4: They're so fun.

542
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: I want to go to a dirty owner night. But literally,

543
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: because you didn't Dropped Love and a god damn threesome.

544
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, now now I had did I get here? Dude?

545
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: Do you want out a bagfire? Let me tell you

546
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: what he was doing when that happened. And now you're

547
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: not making it any better saying that, Jenna Hayes, is

548
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: that night I was in battle. I know what I'm

549
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: saying is it was fine Dropped the Quest Love game

550
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: night with hey guys.

551
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: He does a really good job of making everybody like

552
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: he puts all these different people together, and I actually

553
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 3: think that makes it work. Like the girl from Kocomo

554
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: documentary A Lover Danielle Danielle the other one dothorthany silver?

555
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: You have this transportn star sitting next to Janelle Monnet,

556
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: then sitting next to randomly just some other like news pundit.

557
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, this is really like a curated room.

558
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 4: I was sitting there having a whole conversation with Abrams

559
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 4: and I had no idea who it was.

560
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Girl. He knew who you were and acid is there room?

561
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: He said, Now, well I did.

562
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 4: He was very, very nice, and we had this whole

563
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 4: conversation and then afterwards I saw the pictures and I

564
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: was like, oh, that was j J. So I feel

565
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 4: like an idiot. No, yeah, I never think that people

566
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 4: know who I am ready really no why, I don't know.

567
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: I think maybe because I've been retired for so long

568
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: and my life is more like in the mental health

569
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 4: care world.

570
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: Now, I guess, oh, so it's not a part of

571
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: your world. You do that thing.

572
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: None of them were sneaking away to back off on

573
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: a stop growing up and just know that you're who

574
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 2: you are.

575
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the conversation right.

576
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: Now, right, Yes, like the dre Is and all the

577
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: all the even video Vixen's now them bagging these younger

578
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: guys because the younger guys grew up like oh my god,

579
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: I love this woman, and now they're old enough with

580
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: the money to bag them.

581
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: They're like, oh yeah, I'm gonna get her. I think

582
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: you're around.

583
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 4: If he's eight younger men, there's like.

584
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: How much younger? How much younger?

585
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: Though?

586
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: Like ten years is my max? I love?

587
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 4: Oh?

588
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: Same? Yeah, but they're mature enough at that age.

589
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 4: But like you're forty one, I'm forty two. I'll be

590
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: forty Maybe they are.

591
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah much right? Okay, yeah that is good point. I

592
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: was thinking thirty mid thirty.

593
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, like thirty three ish thirty fourish?

594
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: Do you find like a good age?

595
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: I like younger men are is it? They're more fun?

596
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: They just get it more like what's dating like when

597
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: you've had.

598
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 4: There physically more appealing. That is like the sweet spot.

599
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 4: I think men right around there. I don't know, they're

600
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 4: just very hot around that they are and they have

601
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: stamina and they are like more I don't know.

602
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I think that.

603
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 4: Mentally, that's where more where I'm at than like guys

604
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 4: in my forties.

605
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: Two do you find the guys howardies are one into No,

606
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: not that girl. No, it's not that.

607
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 4: I have a lot of younger friends too, and I

608
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: like I live like a very fun life.

609
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, your energy doesn't give forty two three? No, no, no, okay, wait,

610
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: so tell me you have known for dirty talk. I

611
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: actually remember your lafe so much.

612
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: I know it's so knocks, which is so weird because

613
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 4: I've made trademarks it is.

614
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: It gives me a week. They were just laughing while

615
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like that you talk to me

616
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: that like, giggles are cute during sex. Well, I always

617
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: have fun.

618
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 4: That's the thing is that I would always have fun

619
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: during my scenes, and it was never like a fake thing.

620
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: I would just go in and have a great time.

621
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 4: That's why I got in the industry because I was

622
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: already I was at an age I was nineteen years old,

623
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: and I was already wanting to explore my sexuality. I'd

624
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 4: been in a relationship like most of my high school

625
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 4: years with one guy, so I was like, I wanted

626
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 4: to go out and have fun, and so it was

627
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: a safe way for me to explore my sexuality. And

628
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: all my fantasies and then like also get paid and

629
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 4: get some fame and also create like a work of

630
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 4: art that can go out into the world and people

631
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 4: can enjoy it.

632
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: I also love that you just said it was a

633
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: safe way for you to explore your fantasies, your inhibitions

634
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: around sex while getting paid. But to me, the safety

635
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: part of it, yeah, And could you then talk to

636
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: us about what the safety measures were then, because people

637
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: act like there wasn't enough. You even said the internet

638
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: was fairly new when you started.

639
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the street was.

640
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 4: The industry was a lot smaller though too. Like we

641
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 4: would all get tested at a place called AIM and

642
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: it was run by Sharon Mitchell who used to be

643
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: a porn star and then got some degrees and stuff

644
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 4: like that. That is it why and then she ran

645
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: it and that was a testing facility and it was

646
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: about when I got industry. It was about for the

647
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 4: whole industry, like gay and straight with this is what

648
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: I'm told. At least it was about eight hundred people

649
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 4: that were getting tested and now it's like eighty thousand

650
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: bazillion people because you know, porn is now shot like

651
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: all over and everyone has like, you know, we.

652
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: Have like eight hundred of small my graduate class. It

653
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: was small.

654
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 4: It was small. It was a very small, close knit.

655
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: It was a very small, close knit industry.

656
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people.

657
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: Really was like crossover to or if you ever did

658
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: today in porn, I feel like I'm seeing crossover to

659
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: trans lesbian, interracial and just different kind of stuff. Like

660
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: to me, when I think of Jenna Hayes, I think

661
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: contract star big. Like I remember Stormy. I feel like

662
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: I would see the.

663
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 4: Stormy was with Wicked. Yeah, I like with Jill Kelly Productions.

664
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: Jill Kelly.

665
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I just remember those big people being in

666
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: the same movies. Those are the AVN people in Red.

667
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: If I was going to watch the awards that I

668
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: would see.

669
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: Well, they were all the big companies. There was Digital

670
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: Playground in Wicked and Vivid and VCA, which is really

671
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: dating me, you know, and then there was of course

672
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: Hussler and you know, there were just these big companies

673
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: and they each had these contract girls that would work

674
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 4: exclusively with them.

675
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: When did you start to like or have you ever

676
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: gone independent? Like who is black performer?

677
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 4: We might know even it's independent? I started, Okay, so

678
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: I got in the industry back to back to you

679
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 4: started that question way back when. So I got the

680
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: industry because I was at a nightclub in Orange County

681
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 4: that used to be called the Boogie and it was

682
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: like an eighteen and old over club. They served alcohol,

683
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: but you couldn't drink outcalmless. You got like the riskmans.

684
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: And so I was like nineteen years old and I

685
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: went there with this girl that I was dating at

686
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: the time, and I happened to like get invited to

687
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: like this after hours party at some house and a

688
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: guy was there who knew Peter North and so yeah,

689
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: and so I was like fooling around with a guy

690
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: on the like on the washing machine in the garage

691
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: at this house.

692
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Where you know you're dating. What right he was somewhere else?

693
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Girl, I'm gonna go have some fun

694
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: in the lodgery room. I'll be right.

695
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: I'm bisexual. She was not.

696
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: Okay, you know you were her greatest night I was

697
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna you were her greatest nightmare. And that This is

698
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: why if bisexual ass now because they're like you greedy bitches.

699
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, why was open and up front about everything?

700
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: We believe you anyways, okay, and so yeah, So then

701
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: he was like you were kind of like wild, seem

702
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: like you're very like open with sex. And I was

703
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: like yeah. And he was like, you should meet Peter North.

704
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I work for him.

705
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, you work for Peter North.

706
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: And I already knew because I was a big porn fan.

707
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh Peter North was Peter North back then? Yeah? I

708
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: like was he like still he was like a playboy guy.

709
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: He was just like he's a very.

710
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: He has a very large cock. Okay, and and he's

711
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: very famous. I mean he worked with like Jenna Jamison

712
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 4: and like all the.

713
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: That's not the CASTI couch guys, all.

714
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: The old people you're I think you might be thinking

715
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: more of Brandy West. Randy West did like Up and Comers,

716
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: which was also Jenna Jamison. I did one of those

717
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: two okay when I first started. Okay, he recently passed away.

718
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: I think, oh wow, well we were at the A

719
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: V AND Awards carry oh yeah, there were so many people.

720
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: It's so crazy because like the Grammys does it, the

721
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: b ET Awards does it where they take a moment

722
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: where they you know, what.

723
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Does it call that? Paughbituary then they do that.

724
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 4: I forgot what it's called a memorim memorial.

725
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: I was shocked. I'm not gonna lie to see that.

726
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: The av Awards, I was.

727
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: Like, this is cutting baby.

728
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 4: They do it every year to yeah.

729
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: But like okay, like we've we've done be ET Awards,

730
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: like when you watch the Grammys, when you watch any

731
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: of the like the big big award shows.

732
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: They do that in honor where I am. And normally, no,

733
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: we'll see Quincy.

734
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: Jones at the next at the next gray moment like

735
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: you see those. But I was like watching it in

736
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: the porn space and I was like, oh well, I kept.

737
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: Wondering, like how sexy is the photo gonna be of

738
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: the person they show.

739
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it was in my head because they

740
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: just lie like that is no. I swear to god,

741
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not gonna lie like where.

742
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: We know, okay, because and I get that because I

743
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: was on Reddit one day and somebody was posting some

744
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: video about my friend who died earlier this year, and

745
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: like they were like like overlease, I don't know. They

746
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: were just like posting her porn for free all over

747
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 4: and talking about her and like raiding her compared to

748
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: another girl, and I was like, dude, this girl just died,

749
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: Like can you like stop.

750
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: Like pitting her in these competitions.

751
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: We get in January Blonde, it must have happened right

752
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: before av and everything was talking about well there was

753
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: so in January.

754
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: There was Jesse Jane passed away, who I still worked

755
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: was all the time. Her and I started in a

756
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: lot of movies together and we were really good friends

757
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 4: throughout my twenties. And then also the same day Massumi

758
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: Max passed away, and then I think around the same day.

759
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: It was yeah, I was like the same day or

760
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 4: within like a day or something, and each other was awful.

761
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: And then the next month Cagnueln Carter passed away as well,

762
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 4: who was a girl I also worked with in my twenties,

763
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: like we were on the same crowd and everything.

764
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Like we're getting to this age where but it's also

765
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: really you're.

766
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 5: Thing all over we were talking safety measures, good all, okay,

767
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: I low key, I feel bad and I listen back

768
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 5: to episodes like this, like because I couldn't stay focused,

769
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 5: but then it's always an episode where it did go well.

770
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: But I also love when the guests is like, bitch,

771
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: let's bring it back to what I was talking about.

772
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 4: Safety, Okay, safety measures. So back then we would get tested.

773
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: It was required every twenty eight days. Okay, it's which

774
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: less of it right right, it's a lot short and

775
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: I think it's fourteen days now. They test for more

776
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 4: things now, which is great, but that's also because there's

777
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 4: more STDs that are around, like mgen and things like that.

778
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: What the fuck is m J Michael plasma genitalium. I'm

779
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: probably pronouncing it wrong.

780
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm just neveritely TV.

781
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they test for in the industry.

782
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Now what is it?

783
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: So it's like a yurio yasma.

784
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: My friend like a small percentage of it and she

785
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: was like, should I tell somebody what is it?

786
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: It's it's a bacteria. It's like a bacteria that like

787
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: infiltrates like your you're a airy area on scientific right now.

788
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: It is st yeah, an STD in the way of

789
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: like but it wasn't even around when I started, like

790
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 4: in the industry that was it gets a.

791
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: Newer and it is a yeah, but you only get

792
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 2: it through sex. It says, yeah, so it says how

793
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: do you get it? So it's mico plasma genitalium.

794
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: Thank you you get it by it my job to

795
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: be informed about that.

796
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: You did, good girl, you said that because I would

797
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: have put that up.

798
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: By having unprotected vaginal or oral stone.

799
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Who has the infection?

800
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: Yes, and it's and it's bacteria resistant, which means it's

801
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: hard to get rid of. So it caused problems with

802
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 4: and females. It can cause problems. I think was like

803
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: pelvic floor stuff.

804
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of.

805
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 4: Women if they have it and it goes undetected, the

806
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: thing and then and then you have to and then

807
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: you have to like retrain your pelvic floor and stuff.

808
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: This is what the other thing is says.

809
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: You can also get it by just touching your genitals

810
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: with infected fingers or sharing sex toys.

811
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: So it's absolutely an STD. I do anything.

812
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: It's it's it's a newer STD.

813
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

814
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: I actually had to like kind of inform my doctors

815
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 4: about it because when I read about it in the industry,

816
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: I was like, because I'm always like up to date

817
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 4: about this stuff. And then I went and told like

818
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 4: my primary care physician, She's like, that's like for special populations.

819
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: You're not part of those specials.

820
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: What I was like, films are the same, the same

821
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: it's like a gonerrheah and like a U T I right,

822
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: and inflammation of the urethra.

823
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: And just track.

824
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

825
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is I just went and got all

826
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: of my tests too. And I looked at him and

827
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: I was like, where is Trick at? I had to

828
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: request Trick And I'm like, Trick is another one that

829
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: actually be running rampant out here in New York?

830
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Why do I have to request the door? Oh, Trick

831
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: is crazy, it's ciphilists.

832
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: And then I have a lot of sex, don't you

833
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 4: think we interviewed.

834
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't really have a lot of suction. It's a

835
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: long girl. But no, Trick is one of those where

836
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: and can go.

837
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: With I'm not anymore.

838
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: That girl. Oh, I have a question for you. We

839
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: had Anna Fox here recently actually mentioned this.

840
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, give me a second. Well, we talked

841
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: about safety measures. You brought up how eight hundred.

842
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was a question. No, she's getting how

843
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: she maintained safety. Yeah, because you mentioned eight hundred. People

844
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: at that time got smaller of a close knit industry.

845
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: There was a lot less It was pretty much like

846
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: the same, like ten or twelve guys like all the

847
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: time pretty much and then like some girls and then

848
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: they're you know.

849
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: That's where I thought we were. It was a lot

850
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: over got go ahead, go ahead? Where are we going?

851
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: A box? Where are we? Interviewed her? Okay?

852
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: She said she'd done so much stuff for the first

853
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: time on camera. Yeah, and I was like, oh, she's

854
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: like first, didn't you see the first time doing a

855
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 3: blow jhoppers on really first?

856
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: I think? So it was no first time anal first

857
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: time this She was like a lot of my first

858
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: rung camera. We're all camera. Did you ever have any

859
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: first on camera? Yeah?

860
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: DP, I did like a handful of dps, like I

861
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 4: think five or sixty p's. That's why I consider like

862
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 4: my most hardcore stuff. And I did like two or

863
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: three blowbangs.

864
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: You never practiced the DP before you, No, I did.

865
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 4: I did that my personal life with a toy like

866
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: but not too guys.

867
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: Did it with a toy with like a toy?

868
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: I guess when when you were I had done anal

869
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: in my personal life too before I went to porn. Okay,

870
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 4: so like I had started watching porn at a pretty

871
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: young age.

872
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: You have porn at nineteen? You did all that before?

873
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: Well?

874
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: Oh, no, girl, I got into nineteen, I'm doing the math.

875
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: I did a lot of things before getting on camera. Okay,

876
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: so I was in that laundry rope.

877
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: Well, I had like a I had a boyfriend I

878
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: was with for like three years during like high school

879
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: ages before then, like fifteen to like eighteen or like

880
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 4: sixteen to nineteen or something like that, and he was

881
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: a few years older, and so he was able to

882
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: go and rent porn. So he would go rent porn

883
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: and I tried the stuff and he would Now I

884
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 4: wanted to try it, but he would bring I was curious.

885
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I grew up with Madonna.

886
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I like my idol, Like come on, come on.

887
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: I kind of liked it what you're running way too,

888
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: So I was gonna ask that she became more famous

889
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: and more famous. Were there was the prices or like

890
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 3: the things that you would do first be a thing?

891
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: Because when we interviewed Lisa Ann, yes, of course she

892
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: talked about that, like what was the biggest thing that

893
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: they wanted you to do that became something like that

894
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: was a.

895
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: Big deal, And what was something you said no to?

896
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never done like I did a girl bank,

897
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: but I never did a gang bang. I did a

898
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: girl bang where it was me and like nineteen girls.

899
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: Oh wow, they took turns like having sex with me.

900
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: Woa you were the nineteen girls in one day girl?

901
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: Yeah I think that's yeah. Yeah, like they had all

902
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: oral like it was mostly oral and like fingers and toys. Yeah,

903
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: from what I can remember, So.

904
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: They were lined up for you ago it was like

905
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: an origin.

906
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: No, yeah, it was opposite. It was just me and

907
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: like a bunch of ladies. It was like, I've had

908
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: sex with more girls in one day than I think

909
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: anybody I.

910
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 1: Know damn girls is yeah, wow, that's cool.

911
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: But I also did girls exclusively for like three years

912
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: during my careers.

913
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Okay, was that because you were in a relationship.

914
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: It was I was in a relationship with a cameraman

915
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: back then. That was a long time ago. That's what

916
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 4: I saw on for Ucopia, Yes where I will Yeah

917
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 4: that was now Topia going down in the mountain. Yeah, okay,

918
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: I remember this because I had quit doing men on

919
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: camera because I started doing pretty much. I started like

920
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 4: doing almost everything. My first team was supposed to be

921
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: a blowjob and I ended up having sex with the

922
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: guys instead.

923
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: But did I make kid me the way you you

924
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: gave them the vaginant or.

925
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Maybe I remembering like into girls career, did they say that, No,

926
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, and so like there was hot girls wanted

927
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: it wasn't you.

928
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: So no, but there's so there's the thought that like

929
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: when you get in you should start like just by

930
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: doing like nude modeling, and then you should like pace

931
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: yourself and do like then do solo and then go

932
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: to like girl girl and like, you know, milk it.

933
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: Basically every step of the way. I did not do that.

934
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: I did not do that.

935
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: I just came in and was like, sure, it's just

936
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 4: have fun, let's just do this. But I realized after

937
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: the first few months, I was like, Okay, this is

938
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: a business. And so then I started taking it a

939
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: little bit more seriously. After the first few months, I

940
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: got rid of the guy who had gotten me in

941
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 4: the business because he was just basically calling companies and

942
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: taking me around to get polaroids and stuff to get

943
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 4: try to get box Coverskay, there weren't really like a

944
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: lot of agents or anything back then, and so I

945
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 4: got rid of him, and then I just wrapped myself

946
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: from there. Oh wow, yeah when you and then I

947
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: got a contract for like a few years, and then

948
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 4: I got out of that, and then I continue to

949
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: just wrap myself and I always have.

950
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Did you make less money when you were doing just

951
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: girl and girl?

952
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: No?

953
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: They let me.

954
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: They let me make the same amount. I just did

955
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: like one more scene a month or something.

956
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah's not lucky I.

957
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: Did because if I started put in again, I feel

958
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: like all I see is lesbian stuff.

959
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, was Jenna Gett? Like I had

960
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: to think about it. What do you what do you mean?

961
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: You just did one more scene a month? So were

962
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: you like I was salary? Yes?

963
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: So, and I was required to do a certain amount

964
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: of scenes a month for that. Wow, that's how contract

965
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 4: girl works. And I couldn't shield for other people and

966
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 4: then they would have me go do appearances where I

967
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: can make extra money, and then I would feature down

968
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: to make extra money.

969
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: So I did not know there was salary, and yeah,

970
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: that is that's going on for a while.

971
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, the contract girl was like a big thing.

972
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 4: Like Jenna Jamison was a contract girl, like all the girls,

973
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 4: like Tara Patrick was like right, Jesse Jane was a

974
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 4: contract girl.

975
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: That was like the big thing.

976
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: We all aspired to kind of win to the contract girl.

977
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 4: But you can make more money freelancing life. You could,

978
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: but there was a thought that if you freelanced you

979
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 4: would get shot out because you were shooting for too

980
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: many companies and nobody would want to shoot you.

981
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: Well, why did you want to be a not even

982
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: in particular, but like when I interviewed Vivid, I wanted

983
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: the promotion.

984
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: Talked about promo, So it's the promotion. So back then,

985
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: like we didn't have social media. There wasn't like these

986
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 4: automatic like you promotion machines at our fingertips. There wasn't

987
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: anything like that, so we would have to either you'd

988
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 4: have to go around to the companies and get the

989
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: companies to really like you, and then you would get

990
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 4: box covers and then if they put you as the

991
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: first the prominent girl on the box cover, then you'd

992
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: be displayed. And then you'd get posters and like adult stores,

993
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: and then you would get signed posters.

994
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: I forgot.

995
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 4: You get posters and adult stores, and then you get

996
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: like you get like signings and things like that, and

997
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: then it would which would all bump up your feature

998
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: dancing great too. So the more box covers you got,

999
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 4: the more featured money, get feature dancing, and then you'd

1000
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 4: go around and make ship loads.

1001
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: That different from you. That's the first time you went.

1002
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: You hated it.

1003
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: You didn't make a lot of money feature dancings. Different

1004
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 4: how was featured. It's awesome, it's still strip club, but

1005
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: you're like the so when when it is?

1006
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: But you only go up a couple times a night.

1007
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 4: Okay, you get a set rate for going up there,

1008
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: and then you make tips on stage as well on

1009
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: top of what the club is paying you to go

1010
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 4: up there. And then you then you do after after

1011
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: each show, you do signings. So then you meet with

1012
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 4: the guys and you can and the girls to girl

1013
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: fans as well or non binary and right those whoever's

1014
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: coming to see your show. You sell pictures and sell

1015
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: autographs and sell DVDs and all of that and then

1016
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 4: make more money that way. But that even that industries don't.

1017
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, it's on point.

1018
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: When I was, I'm like, I don't know how much

1019
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: time we got, but I really feel, like I mentioned

1020
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: before at one of your promo runs that you were

1021
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: doing so when the girls would do all this stuff right,

1022
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: Basically get to a city and you're like putting things

1023
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: on the calendar. Did you ever do something in a

1024
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 3: sex store in Orlando where you like taught a class?

1025
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: I did.

1026
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: I don't think I taught a class, No, but I did.

1027
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: I did signings that like I think it's like the Romantics. Yes, yes,

1028
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 4: I came to one and I remember Orlando. Yeah, how

1029
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 4: autograph signing.

1030
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: The guy was basically saying, like how these girls had

1031
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: to run through and do this weekly and it was

1032
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: through like Vivid and Wicked and all those different companies.

1033
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: Well they did, they do like sex ed like classes

1034
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 4: as well. I didn't ever do those. Jessica Drake does

1035
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: a lot of the sex ed stuff for like Wicked

1036
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: and their their line of toys and lubes and things

1037
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: like that.

1038
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: When you have to do this though, right, like because

1039
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: you're talking about how all of this stuff is promo, Like,

1040
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: what do you make more money from the actual scene.

1041
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: Well, at the beginning of my career, definitely, I would

1042
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 4: say like that, I don't.

1043
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1044
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: The dancing made a lot of money. I want to

1045
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 4: get it, lie very the dancing made a lot of money.

1046
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 4: Signing to make a lot of money. I still go

1047
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: around to convention sometimes I just did one in New Jersey.

1048
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: I did Exotica where I get to meet my fans

1049
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: and sell my product and stuff, like the dancing picture.

1050
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: Dancing is still a thing.

1051
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: It's still a thing, but it's not like I was

1052
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: gonna be. I used to make like twenty thousand dollars

1053
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 4: and then like two days, like and it was just

1054
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: like get paid. Oh, Jenna Jamison in the nineties would

1055
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 4: make like forty thousand dollars a week, and like, yeah,

1056
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: she would just make just crazy money.

1057
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: What would be like the standard, because damn, you would

1058
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: get booked like in our era, like the video Vixen's

1059
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: at one point were hosting clubs and doing things. Okay,

1060
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: so for the feature dancing, though, what would be the

1061
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: normal rate for you to just show up and promote

1062
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: that you were there?

1063
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: Pens Okay, the girl I've heard as low as the girl.

1064
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 4: Every girl has a different rate. I did have a

1065
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: dance agent, so somebody who would book me in the

1066
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: clubs because I didn't want to have to deal with

1067
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 4: the night. I don't know, all these gentlemen's clubs. I

1068
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: don't want to deal with the travel and all of

1069
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: that stuff. So they would deal with that and then

1070
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: they would take like twenty percent. Okay, but it just varies,

1071
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 4: you know. I've I've heard as low as two hundred

1072
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 4: dollars in as high as like twenty five hundred dollars

1073
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: a show and three thousand dollars everything that.

1074
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: You make on stage. Agent. Yeah, do you do you

1075
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: have any moments that you could think back to, because

1076
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: to me, when I had heard these, this is the

1077
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: most like tangentle I mean, we've got questions you're to

1078
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: talk to. You might need your podcast, like I'm keeping up.

1079
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: Let's okay. So you're at the clubs.

1080
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: What I knew from the girls working there back then

1081
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: was most people approached them for sex work. How did

1082
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: you if you wanted to engage or not?

1083
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: Okay?

1084
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: Was that an expectation when people got like were people

1085
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: trying to push that on you when they saw you

1086
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: in person? No?

1087
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: So I come from the era where like privates and

1088
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: like side, like full service sex work on the side

1089
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: of porn stuff wasn't really a thing. Really, Yeah, nobody

1090
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 4: really did privates from my era and stuff like that.

1091
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 4: That was considered kind of a no. Then you'd bring

1092
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 4: like stuff into the industry, and so that was kind

1093
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: of like, I know, I know a lot of girls

1094
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 4: do it. Most of the girls do it now O

1095
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 4: from what I know, I don't. I don't know, but

1096
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: that was kind of a thing. Also, like I was

1097
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 4: kind of taught by like Jill Kelly and a bunch

1098
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 4: of other women that I looked up to back in

1099
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: the day that like, if you make yourself accessible so

1100
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: that a fan can just hire you and fuck you, Like,

1101
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 4: where's the fantasy.

1102
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: Hmm, it's gotta be the I would say, like it's

1103
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: gotta be the rock star is in twenty fourteen, Like

1104
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: a large majority of my friends work.

1105
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and no shade, I have girlfriends who make so

1106
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: much money so that I would be so rich if I.

1107
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't really the fan. Well, I guess

1108
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: they're still fair.

1109
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: Wait did celebrities count? But the athletes and celebrities count

1110
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: because they them nigga's not getting tested. But them niggas

1111
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: are fucking any and everyone. They're fucking prostitutes, they're fucking strippers,

1112
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: they're fucking regular girls, and.

1113
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: A lot of them weren't using condoms.

1114
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking of the girls that like post on

1115
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: Twitter I'm here this week and book me to me

1116
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: those our escorts. Yeah, if both people are private though,

1117
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: like to me, a porn start choosing to flat level fan.

1118
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: Don't know, no really no, no, I've seen both. I've

1119
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: heard that certain women can be bought. But then I

1120
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: also see the promotion for fas.

1121
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: Hey.

1122
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: I have friends who to do you know, privates exclusively

1123
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: and that's what they do. I have friends who are

1124
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 4: dominatrix all stuff, and I've had some of them be like,

1125
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: how could you do it on camera for the whole.

1126
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: World to see, you know, And I'm just like, it's sex.

1127
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 5: Work.

1128
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: Is amazing is that it's so diverse in its in

1129
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: its formats that you can pick and choose what works

1130
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: for you, you know what I mean? For me, I

1131
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 4: liked I liked the performance. I like the camera being there.

1132
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: I like creating a piece of artwork that's going to

1133
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: go out into the world that people are going to

1134
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: watch and be turned on by and enjoy with their

1135
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 4: lover or enjoy when they're lonely or whatever. You know

1136
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: what I mean. If I'm not creating that, if there's

1137
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: not like a cameraman and there's people aren't and it's like,

1138
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 4: you know, an actual creative process and more of a business.

1139
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: I'm not interested.

1140
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: I feel like there's still a stigma sex work overall,

1141
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: but there's so many now right with with OnlyFans and

1142
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: Twitter and all that. How did your family take you

1143
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: choosing porn as a route because with the contract girls,

1144
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: you were viewed as like a celebrity, a star. I

1145
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: think it's a little different for how they're viewed today

1146
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: then back then. But how did your family take it

1147
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: when you came out and said, I have a contract.

1148
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: I haven't asked that question for a long time. Porn

1149
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: because we don't use porn star anymore, you know the

1150
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: word no no.

1151
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: I like adult film star, adult film star, adult film star,

1152
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 4: adult films because my first movies were on film too,

1153
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 4: Like we shot stuff on film more cache.

1154
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: Okay, adult film start. How was How did your family

1155
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: feel about at first?

1156
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: Like, you know, they weren't happy about it, of course,

1157
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: but then they saw that I was being successful at

1158
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 4: it and that I was, you know, actually treating it

1159
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 4: like a business and like I've got a four to

1160
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 4: one k. I like I own a home and you know,

1161
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 4: like I have a corporation and a company and like you.

1162
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Know, directing also, I feel like when I see women.

1163
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 4: And then when I borrow money from you, they can't hate.

1164
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 4: I can't hate you know, that's a.

1165
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Second dick money. I've done that to my mom.

1166
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 3: I've been like, yo, yeah, there were days where you've

1167
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: seen a clip of me and then like, oh my god,

1168
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: I can't believe you just told everybody this.

1169
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm gonna pay for this, but this

1170
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: dick second money, I know. I'm like, okay, girl, there

1171
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: you go. So I have some questions for you about

1172
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: how the era changed with like OnlyFans.

1173
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: Do you think today there's more shame with sex workers

1174
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: because there's more accessibility to like write someone and say

1175
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: you're a whore?

1176
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Like what do you think?

1177
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 3: Because we're so liberal now. But at the same time,

1178
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: I feel like more women get hated on now. But

1179
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: maybe it's just because I can see it.

1180
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: I think that there's a platform to deliver the hate

1181
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: more easily and more readily. I think that now people

1182
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: are able to voice and with the political climate that

1183
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: we have right now, that's allowed that's kind of given

1184
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 4: people a feeling like they should voice these horrible thoughts.

1185
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, I think that.

1186
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: We live in a different climate and now with that right,

1187
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 4: you know, like when I first started, like people do

1188
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 4: have to like me red.

1189
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: You to open gets it. Once in a while, I'll.

1190
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: Get some weird shit girl, tell us the word I'm

1191
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: a bar of soap with my face carved in it

1192
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 4: and in the like the colors of like my skin

1193
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: and hair were all dyed with melted down eminem's.

1194
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 1: I still have not Is that not rude?

1195
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1196
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm like that sounds scary?

1197
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: What about the ny fans era as far as like

1198
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: requests for you know, little private or not private video?

1199
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: What's been some of the weirdest requests you've seen on there?

1200
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 4: I don't do well. I I've done one custom because

1201
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: I charge a lot. Well was it?

1202
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: And how much you charge? I charge one.

1203
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 4: Thousand dollars a minute fifteen minute minimum.

1204
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: I know that's right.

1205
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 4: Yes, excuse me, I've only done one, but I just

1206
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: get my second order.

1207
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: Wait a second, what are they asking for and why

1208
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: are they getting for a thousand dollars thousand for fifteen minutes?

1209
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: So fifteen thousand dollars? What are they getting for fifteen.

1210
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 4: Thousand dollars just to strip teas and dirty talk girls?

1211
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: Shut the fuck? I started content to their name.

1212
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: I don't do sucks anymore, just their name and stripped

1213
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 4: Tea's dirty talk. Yeah, and then they can buy the laundry.

1214
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: After because it's not included, because it's not.

1215
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: Now when I wear like agemerbocket the girl lingeree, we're.

1216
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: Gonna your face hold on.

1217
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: I sold it to the guy for like oh, and

1218
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 4: he's so great, he's awesome. Ye, he's a great fan.

1219
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: He's the best way, he's like me laundry. Additionally, you

1220
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: didn't just give it to one for fifteen thousand.

1221
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: No, I saw them the laundry with the dress that

1222
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: I wore over at as well for five thousand, five

1223
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: hundred dollars he spent.

1224
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: I can I sell five hundred dollars.

1225
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 4: Because I sell all of the Yes, I sell all

1226
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: of the all the all. I kept every outfit I

1227
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: ever wore in a porn that I owned, I kept

1228
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 4: it all. So I'm slowly selling them on shop Tenna,

1229
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: and he's dot com very much.

1230
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: Oh my buy one. It's not fu thousand. So so

1231
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: I sell like the no girls.

1232
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: I sell all the shoes and all the laundry and

1233
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 4: everything that I wore in my movies. So if you

1234
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: have a favorite scene of mine that's like your like

1235
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: all time favorite, like Jenna Hayes scene that you just like,

1236
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 4: you know, watched over and over again.

1237
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: You can probably buy the outfit. Do you know who got?

1238
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: I feel like you might because she's a girl, Liz Goldwyn.

1239
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: I know the name she Uh.

1240
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: She's the daughter of a huge director, but her brother's

1241
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: Tony Goldwyn. But she directed some films back in the day,

1242
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: not porn but like about sex written books. But she

1243
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: is a lingerie connoisseur and I've known her for a

1244
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: few years. She was a fan of Horrible. She came

1245
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: on and literally I went to a vintage story that

1246
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: she was selling her lingerie at Yeah, and some of

1247
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: them have been in the met And I was like, wow,

1248
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: this was really like a thing.

1249
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: It's a thing. Yeah. Yeah, I want some of your

1250
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: like stockings.

1251
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: I've sold shoes.

1252
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you saying I wanted to smell a certain way?

1253
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: Like I mean, I I spray everything with my custumas

1254
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: my signature perfume that I've been wearing for twenty years,

1255
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: so it smells.

1256
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. We have these conversations. I'm like, where did I

1257
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: what directtion to I?

1258
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 4: Knew I was keeping all of those outfits for a

1259
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 4: reason because I would always be like, oh, I'm just

1260
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 4: gonna put this in a zip block bag and stash

1261
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 4: it away.

1262
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do any of them have like semen on it?

1263
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: What?

1264
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, Probably somewhere in there. I've got like

1265
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: to get you to thirty five five?

1266
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh my, imagine if you sold something that had a

1267
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: little bit of someone's jeze. Well, I think they want

1268
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: her juices. I don't know if they want to.

1269
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but people aren't. I'm just thinking back then,

1270
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: I want I know what you want.

1271
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 4: So when you're I mean, I don't know, girl, it's

1272
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 4: been like fourteen years that ship to get loaded by

1273
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 4: now oh yeah, sh it's like it's just flake No.

1274
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: And I used to wash everything, but it was after

1275
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: my scenes so and zip blocked it. So you use

1276
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 4: something and like I labeled some of them.

1277
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you know when you were getting popular like

1278
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: that you would be this iconic like I've seen you

1279
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 3: on the list of top ten stars of all time?

1280
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: Like when did it hit you? Or does it?

1281
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: Well? Okay, So I got into the industry because I

1282
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: wanted to be able to set myself up because I

1283
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: grew up very poor, and so I wanted to I

1284
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: didn't have an opportunity really for college or anything like

1285
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 4: that much, and so I was working as a waitress

1286
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 4: forty hours a week and then trying to also take

1287
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: twelve units at a local college. And I had no car,

1288
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 4: and I was taking like a bus back and forth

1289
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 4: and it was just like awful. And then the guy

1290
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 4: came and was like, do you want to do porn?

1291
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 4: And I was like, finally, save me from this.

1292
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: How much your first scene was? And so, what do

1293
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: you remember how much your first scene was?

1294
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: I don't remember how much it was? Okay now, but

1295
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 4: now I got me even thinking about money?

1296
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh uh, were we're over? But I did? Oh so yeah.

1297
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 4: So I got into porn thinking that I was just

1298
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: going to like make sure I got an apartment, get

1299
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 4: like a get an education. I wanted to go to

1300
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 4: college for psychology and become a therapist. So I was like,

1301
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 4: let me just get like an apartment and a car

1302
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 4: and everything like that and then get set up. But

1303
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: then my career took off and so like I found myself.

1304
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 4: Within the first three years two years of my career,

1305
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: I was winning Starlet of the year, and I was,

1306
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: you know, winning all these awards, and I was just like, well,

1307
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: let me just.

1308
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: See where this goes.

1309
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: And so it talketh it went, it went, and then

1310
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 4: around twenty eleven, I did a scene and it was

1311
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 4: like nothing bad happened. I was directing, producing. It was

1312
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: an awesome scene. And then I thought about booking another

1313
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 4: one for myself, and I was like, huh, I really

1314
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 4: know that I want to do another scene. And then

1315
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't really need to do another scene.

1316
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 4: And then I was like, well, maybe I just direct

1317
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 4: a couple movies and then see how I feel and

1318
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 4: see if I want to go back. And I didn't

1319
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 4: really want to do another one.

1320
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: As someone to who's so calm, and it was weird.

1321
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: Had dating ever made you feel because Mandy and I

1322
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: talk about a lot, how just talking about our sex

1323
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 3: lives for almost a decade has impacted our our dating life?

1324
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: Howd it ever made you want to stop? Like because

1325
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: to me, you're so out loud and proud about it.

1326
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: But everybody has that moment where they're like, shit, am

1327
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: I missing out on a certain life? Did that ever

1328
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: happen to you?

1329
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean I just stopped and I found that I

1330
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 4: didn't want to do it anymore. It was just kind

1331
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: of like a I wish I'd planned it out better.

1332
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 4: I wish i'd like shot like a whole, like two

1333
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 4: years worth of content and then like slowly relief. That

1334
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 4: would have been the smart thing to do, girl, But.

1335
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: I did not do that. I just was on the nail.

1336
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't really want to do it anymore. It's not

1337
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 4: really like for me. I guess, I don't know.

1338
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess. It's kind of similar to I

1339
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: got bored. I want a war. I'd won forty five awards.

1340
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 4: I was like, what else do I do? Like I

1341
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 4: could see that the I was not going the way

1342
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 4: that I wanted to. Piracy was taking over Hornhab was

1343
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 4: ruining my company, like literally ruining my company, like destroying it.

1344
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: Because I was right when my company was like winning

1345
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 4: all these awards, and I was directing and producing and

1346
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 4: putting like forty thousand dollars of my own money into

1347
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: each one of these movies, just to see it ripped

1348
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 4: off and then I'd have to send out cease and

1349
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: assists and then they would take it down and then

1350
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 4: another person would upload it. I talk about this in

1351
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 4: my ted talk and it was so frustrating for me.

1352
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 4: And then I was like, why am I doing this?

1353
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: And I just saw that the industry was getting bigger

1354
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 4: and it felt less safe, and it just felt like

1355
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 4: it was Yeah, it was just not the industry that

1356
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: I fell in love with as much anymore, and so

1357
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, I just want to

1358
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: do something else. And then I was like, what do

1359
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 4: I do the rest of my life? Now?

1360
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: What's your life like?

1361
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 4: And then I took a class in psychology and I

1362
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: loved it.

1363
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was like, this is what I want

1364
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: to do.

1365
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: And then I realized that there was a really big

1366
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 4: need for mental health care in the industry itself, and

1367
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 4: I was like, well, what better person to be a

1368
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 4: mental health care professional for the industry than someone who

1369
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: has been in the industry.

1370
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: We've met a few people, I know Cinnamon Love has

1371
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: the Bipod Collective, and there's so many like porn stars

1372
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 2: who have left and like are now giving back. So

1373
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: what does that What does that look for sessions wise? Like,

1374
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 2: what what do you hope those sessions do in terms?

1375
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: Because I assume you're not telling them to get out

1376
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: of it or leave it, but what does working through

1377
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: being a sex worker look like? Within those sessions, I.

1378
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 4: Think there's a lot of sexual empowerment, you know, and

1379
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: a lot of like not yucking on someone else's young yes,

1380
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 4: you know, and just acceptance.

1381
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: And I think I loved my job.

1382
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 4: It's told you know, of course there's bad aspects here

1383
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 4: and there, but that's like with any industry, right, you know.

1384
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: I hate when when porn gets like, oh, well, you know,

1385
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: so many people have like committed suicide and there you know,

1386
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 4: ended their lives, and you know, I hate We're not

1387
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 4: supposed to committed suicide. I have ended their lives in

1388
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: the industry, you know, yes, and so many people have

1389
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: like so many people have, you know, drug problems. I'm like, dude,

1390
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: I know doctors who have drug problems. I know, I

1391
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 4: know people like who have regular jobs who have you know,

1392
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: ended their lives, you know. And I don't think that

1393
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 4: these things pick and choose like an industry. But for

1394
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 4: some reason, society really puts a lot of this on

1395
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: the on the industry and says, oh, you guys are

1396
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 4: mentally ill. You must be mentally ill if you're doing this,

1397
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 4: you must be like, you know, there's so much drug

1398
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: over doses and this and this. I'm like, it's in

1399
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 4: every walk of life. Do not you know?

1400
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: So crazy you say that because when I think about me,

1401
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: I live in New York. In here right, just New

1402
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: York is my hard partying. I'm in somebody's apartment and oh.

1403
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 4: Shit, you are not shot. This is in the world

1404
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: for the world to see.

1405
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: Girl.

1406
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 3: But like Jenna at all, if I'm doing with some

1407
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: random gye in a kitchen, it's a fucking doctor, lawyer, pilot.

1408
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: It's not a poor star.

1409
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: I'm not running into these girls that are like You're right,

1410
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: It's it's all across of everybody. The more money you make,

1411
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: the more you get into a certain lifestyle, and you're

1412
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 3: the one who has to tape it or not.

1413
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 4: But I also know people who are sober in the industry.

1414
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: Wait, I know me.

1415
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: So it's like these things don't pick and choose, you know.

1416
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: But I do think that.

1417
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 4: You know, when I was looking for a therapist, I

1418
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 4: had a hard time finding someone that once they found

1419
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 4: out what I did for a living and what my

1420
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: former career was, they were they would say, oh, well,

1421
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 4: that's why you're feeling this way is because of this,

1422
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 4: and I was like, no, actually it was a shitty relationship. Yeah,

1423
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: actually porn was like an overly like positive thing for me.

1424
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 4: It's actually this, you know, shitty person in my life.

1425
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: They've also recently added hypersexuality to depression.

1426
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of people assume interesting.

1427
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: Women get into porn because of past sexual traumas. How

1428
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: often do you actually see that or is that like

1429
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: a myth?

1430
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: Well, I haven't started working with this this client hele

1431
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: base yet I have. I'm actually not fully licensed. I

1432
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 4: have been working in mental health care through my internship,

1433
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 4: through my master's program, and then I also worked as

1434
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 4: a volunteer at the suicide Prevention Center for a year

1435
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 4: answering calls. And then I worked at a facility that

1436
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 4: specialized in borderline personality disorders, suicidal ideation, and self harming

1437
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 4: behaviors for a year and a half and I was

1438
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 4: co leading like CBT groups there, CBT groups, things like that, Okay, mindfulness.

1439
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: No, no, no, go, cognitive behavioral there okay, no, I

1440
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: thought the same yeahfore.

1441
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 4: So, But my goal with all of this is is

1442
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 4: that yes, I do want to provide services to the industry.

1443
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 4: I hope to have a private practice where you know,

1444
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 4: that's one of my primary clientelebase. But also I'd like

1445
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 4: to work with people in the in the entertainment industry

1446
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 4: as a whole, Like I know a lot of I

1447
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 4: know a lot of musicians, I know a lot of actors,

1448
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 4: I know a lot of just I've been around entertainment,

1449
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: you know for over twenty years, so and like entertainment

1450
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 4: industry important starsisco like that is hand in hand, like

1451
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 4: as a good all, especially music and adult industry.

1452
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: Like it's very really oh yeah, that's true. I guess. Yeah.

1453
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: Music video though, all the in this twenty years, I

1454
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: loved doing music because there's eudents where you have wanted to, Like,

1455
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just can't imagine fourteen years you

1456
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: haven't done poorn I know.

1457
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 4: Right, it's longer than I did it for It's like

1458
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,959
Speaker 4: I only did it for ten years.

1459
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: Like no, I've been resired like one or movie or something.

1460
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: Have you done music video? You said you love music?

1461
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: I too, I do a live music video. What was

1462
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: your favorite and tell me about the day on set.

1463
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 4: I'd done two for my friend Taylor Momson who was

1464
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 4: on Gossip Girl. She was also Cindi lu and the Grinch.

1465
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. She on Gospip Girl.

1466
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 4: She was Jenny Humphrey.

1467
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, shut the fuck up.

1468
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's one of my really good friends.

1469
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: She's awesome.

1470
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: So I did a layout with her for FHM magazine

1471
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 4: because we became friends because we met on Twitter and

1472
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 4: then and then yeah, and then I was in two

1473
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 4: of her music videos and so that was really fun

1474
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 4: and I yeah, and I also contributed vocals to one

1475
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 4: of her songs, Madonna and like sexy vocals like give me,

1476
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 4: like aggling and moaning and like having fun, okay. And

1477
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 4: then I just recently did two music videos for my

1478
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 4: friend's band, Sacred Skin, which is like a eighties style

1479
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 4: electronic dark wave sort of like fun music.

1480
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: What your role in the music video?

1481
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 4: I mean one of them, I play like a ghostly

1482
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 4: like specter who like is like luring these people to

1483
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 4: do like nefarious things, okay, and I'm like this mysterious

1484
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 4: like ghostly figure. And then in the other one, I'm

1485
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: like a roller skating like seventies queen.

1486
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: Oh dope, that is cute. Yeah, Dress, I want you

1487
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: to make a remix.

1488
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 4: It might be shooting another one in like a couple

1489
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 4: of weeks for different band.

1490
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 3: So I want the bad Shashtic Voyage music video. If

1491
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: no one remembers, it's my favorite movie of all times.

1492
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 3: Super Bad but really, girl, oh so jealous? You got

1493
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: to suck on your mom's tips, all those things that

1494
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 3: so many I don't remember.

1495
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: That was when he brought up a bashlastic Voyage. Oh

1496
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: I could quote this movie like if you Oh my god,

1497
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: I okay. So I was trying to.

1498
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to see my part in

1499
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: super Bad the other day and I went, I couldn't

1500
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: find it, and I was so mad, the like did

1501
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: they edit me out? But everyone says it's still there,

1502
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 4: but I can't find it. I don't know how. We

1503
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 4: kind of watch the whole thing.

1504
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: There's an uncut and then there's a okay, so maybe

1505
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: you're on the uncut version. Probably Why would they edit

1506
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: your part out?

1507
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: What was it? I play one of the badge tastic

1508
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 4: Voyage girls. So when the guys are like talking about

1509
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: like the crazy weekend they had or whatever, and it

1510
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: flashes back to them like sitting around watching porn on

1511
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 4: like a laptop or something, I'm on the laptop doing

1512
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 4: a porn with auror Snow and this guy named Matthew

1513
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 4: Bass and then if you buy the DVD, there's like

1514
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 4: a deleted scene that's like a minute and a half.

1515
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: That's the vadge tastic voice. No way, Yeah, I have

1516
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: that DVD in my house.

1517
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah to go and look like DVD now Grandma Mom

1518
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: just about to play it was nineteen ninety nine.

1519
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: Where does the DVD go?

1520
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: I couldn't even really they sold a turve that much. Okay,

1521
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 3: two final questions.

1522
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 4: We did not all open a play like a.

1523
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: Crazy I'm like, did we? Okay, well, no, we're pretty

1524
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: on time.

1525
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Speaker 3: Okay, So tell me about a crazy time that someone

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: stopped you or that you got recognized.

1527
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: Maybe you're in an airport and you're like angry about

1528
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: a flight and.

1529
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, Jena Hazel will do anything

1530
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: for you. Like, what are some memories of your star

1531
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: power working.

1532
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: In your favor?

1533
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 4: Working in my favor?

1534
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: Because you already get pretty girl privileged.

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I just get invited to cool things, and

1536
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: I think that like I have a lot of really

1537
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: cool friends. I think that that's the biggest privilege of

1538
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 4: my career is that I have a lot of really cool,

1539
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 4: like randomly famous friends. I think of how many like

1540
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 4: different and like they're just very random and different, Like

1541
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 4: they're like, I don't know, like plant influencers and like

1542
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 4: vegan influencers, and then like heavy metal people and like

1543
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: you know, like mainstream act. Like it's just all kinds

1544
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 4: of random stuff.

1545
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: And I think that's what I'm thinking, just thinking when

1546
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 3: you see someone you're a fan of and you're like,

1547
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 3: you know me, like that'shit.

1548
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just I've and I get in to

1549
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 4: really cool.

1550
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: Things being out here.

1551
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 4: I'm sure I invited a cool thing.

1552
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: What about a weird time someone came up to you

1553
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:06,439
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my gosh.

1554
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 4: I think the first time I ever got recognized, and

1555
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 4: I think I've said this before many years ago, was

1556
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 4: the weirdest thing. The first time I ever got recognized.

1557
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: I was hungover and I was going to like it

1558
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 4: was living in Chatsworth at the time, and I was

1559
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: going to the grocery store to get like breakfast stuff

1560
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 4: and I was like, all, you know, a mess, and

1561
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 4: I came out, I got my stuff, I had my bags.

1562
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 4: I came out and the bad guy came running after

1563
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 4: me and he was like, hey, hey, miss, miss, miss

1564
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 4: you're you're that Anal girl.

1565
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh.

1566
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: And I was like what sir, And he was like,

1567
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 4: you're that anal girl.

1568
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: I watched you on this little and I was like

1569
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: the Anal girl is crazy. And I was like, yeah,

1570
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: that's me. No coup, no, I'm not gonna lie.

1571
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: This is what I talk about when I see a

1572
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: lot of undiagnosed people out there.

1573
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you're definitely on the spectrum with no social keys.

1574
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 4: This was like twenty years ago too, Like I was

1575
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 4: very much undiagnosed in back.

1576
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying, hold on, you know, because

1577
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 3: back day you're missing social you never got to see people.

1578
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, the Anal girl, you could. There's

1579
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: a better different way to say. I was like, I

1580
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: have a name.

1581
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 4: So if you even seen my anal, I don't know

1582
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 4: my first movies. I kept misspelling my name, do you

1583
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 4: j y e S or h A y S? And

1584
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, it's h a z e.

1585
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: Like oh wait, I was named after marijuana. They spelt

1586
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: it like, actually, how did you pick your por name?

1587
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 4: So I was working at Marie Calendars and I was

1588
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: okay to like one of the cooks back in the

1589
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 4: back on a break and we were talking about it

1590
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 4: and we were like, what would your porn name be

1591
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 4: if you got art And I was like, well, like,

1592
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 4: I would pick Jenna because it's similar to my real name, okay,

1593
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 4: And then I picked Hayes because at the time I

1594
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 4: really liked Jimmy Hendricks and Purple Hayes. I was also

1595
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 4: very into marijuana. It was my teen years, you know.

1596
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 4: And yeah, and then there was also I read this

1597
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 4: is the shitty part of it. I read book Lolita,

1598
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 4: which is very problematic, love them, and the character in

1599
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 4: Lolita's last name was Hayes Hey jay Z and so

1600
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: that was the wow. So I came up with Jenna

1601
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 4: Hayes before I ever even got into the adult industry.

1602
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 4: And then on my first hand set, they're like, oh,

1603
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 4: you have to fill out paperwork and you have to

1604
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 4: write out like a stage name, and I was like, oh,

1605
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 4: I know, I guess Jenna Hayes and that's free.

1606
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 3: Calendar could have worked, no. I I love By the Way,

1607
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 3: and obviously it's a.

1608
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: Dirty book and it's feel in it, but very problem

1609
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: In the section of.

1610
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: The Strand, which is my favorite book story, they have

1611
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 3: a banned book section and I actually only shopped from there.

1612
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: I love that. Oh I want the books that's fucked up?

1613
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: Like is there? If it's something you.

1614
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 4: Sound like me With movies, I like I always want

1615
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 4: when I go to watch a movie, I'm like, I

1616
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 4: want to be shocked and.

1617
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: Like surprised and like have you watched Old Boy?

1618
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 4: I find most movies to be like predictable. I have it.

1619
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: Okay, there's something ancisty stuff in them. Okay, no, I don't.

1620
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 4: That's the stuff I literally haven't watched because of the insects.

1621
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh girls that he loves.

1622
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: Okay, to have a question from a friend, Okay, Oh,

1623
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 3: since you majored in PSI call Jenna.

1624
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: My friend did as well.

1625
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: How can I pivot my regular day job into sex

1626
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: work or porn or only fans? And if I do,

1627
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: could I return back without repercussion?

1628
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

1629
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: Okay?

1630
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 4: So I think that depending on where you're at, repercussion

1631
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 4: is a just you know, like you have to decide

1632
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 4: whether like it's gonna be worth.

1633
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: It or not for you.

1634
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 4: I do think that we're getting See, we're living in

1635
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 4: a really complex ag So it's really complex, like it

1636
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 4: somewhere has slung so in some ways, like yes, like

1637
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 4: like a lot of these things are more talked about,

1638
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 4: they're more like accepted, Like the average person has an

1639
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 4: only not the average person, but a lot of people,

1640
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 4: a lot only fans, you know what I mean. It's

1641
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 4: more like commonly based, you know. But at the same time,

1642
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 4: like there are like morality clauses in certain places and

1643
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 4: of employment that you work in and things like that.

1644
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 4: So those are things that you want to consider. I

1645
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 4: think that we should as a country. I think we

1646
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 4: should go more of the route. Like I've that an

1647
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 4: Australia sex work is legal and they can't They actually

1648
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 4: can't fire you from a job if you've used to

1649
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 4: do sex work or whatever, Whereas like ah, sometimes places

1650
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 4: can fire you if they have a morality clause and

1651
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 4: they find out that you've done sex work.

1652
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: What if you're doing it in the moment, I think

1653
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: that's different than doing it in the pass.

1654
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 4: I think it's stupid and I think you should be

1655
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 4: able to do whatever job you want will to.

1656
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: We've seen teachers cop it's still these people lose jobs.

1657
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 3: A lot of their stupid it's being kicked out of

1658
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: their school because with their moms are doing.

1659
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 4: With Australia, discrimination in the stigma, and that's what I

1660
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 4: talked about my TED talk too, is that that's actually

1661
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 4: worse than anything that I feel like that's not anything,

1662
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 4: but like the job itself isn't what's harmful to people

1663
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 4: in the industry psychologically. What's harmful is societal stigma and

1664
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 4: the discrimination like housing discrimination, financial discrimination, medical discrimination.

1665
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 3: All of that public I thought, all of that is

1666
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 3: what all of that is what Google use it or

1667
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 3: figure out what you do to get this?

1668
01:08:58,439 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought about that.

1669
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna I with the with the

1670
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: podcast that's been my thing. It's not what we say

1671
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: here and talk about. It's all of the things that

1672
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: people say after and how maybe we're not respected the

1673
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: same or people don't feel like we should be respected

1674
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: or have love or be in a relationship because we

1675
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: talk about it.

1676
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: I got an airbnb in London, I think or Paris,

1677
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: can't remember.

1678
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 3: The guy was like, yeah, I saw your email, I

1679
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 3: looked up your name the WEZWTF. I'm like okay, and

1680
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 3: he's like, you're not going to shoot porn in right?

1681
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 3: I was like, nope, did you find any porn on

1682
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: the internet or okay? Okay, if I fuck like the

1683
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 3: other people who.

1684
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: Run it out.

1685
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 3: Wow, Like I didn't really think too much of what

1686
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: it must be like for actual housing.

1687
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: I've had my bank account shutdown twice.

1688
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 4: Oh wait, don't why to give us one even after

1689
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 4: I retired.

1690
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: One of them.

1691
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 4: One of them happened when I was still performing. One

1692
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 4: of them happened after I retired. Yeah, they literally, here's

1693
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 4: all your money back. We don't want your business to

1694
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 4: take your take your stuff to another financial establism.

1695
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 1: But I'm rich, what like, yeah, yeah, do you see that?

1696
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 4: It sucks and that's the that's some of the financial discrimination.

1697
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and even for us, it wasn't that

1698
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 2: they didn't want to give us a big account. Ay,

1699
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: they just asked us if we were do using it

1700
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: for porn because also Alex shout out to Alex Media

1701
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: wanted to send us some sort of thing and he

1702
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: put horrible.

1703
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,879
Speaker 1: Decisions whoor is big? Oh yeah, we needed day horrible

1704
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: decisions while we're at the bank. It's just horrible, not

1705
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: even in our LLC.

1706
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: It's not even in our LLC. So we were like,

1707
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: can you resend it without the whole the big war

1708
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 2: on it please? We're literally at the bank right now.

1709
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: He's like, sorry, you didn't forgot didn't Okay, thanks, we

1710
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: sent it back please.

1711
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it was crazy, but yeah, I think what you're

1712
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: doing is definitely adverted to.

1713
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: Data has Like seriously, I mean I think even when

1714
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: when we started this pod, I was in corporate and

1715
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: I used to tell them I didn't have an Instagram.

1716
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: I would leave early. I'm sure they just thought I

1717
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 2: was falling apart because I was. I have a doctor's appointment,

1718
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: another the doctor's appointment. We were just going to the studio.

1719
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: But I always thought of, oh my god, what would

1720
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 2: you know my job think at this I thought I

1721
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: would be at my career.

1722
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 4: Well, your job shouldn't he shit, Yeah, you do on

1723
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 4: your own personal time. That's what you do on your

1724
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 4: own personal time, as long as it does not affect

1725
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: your work or your your capability and doing your job.

1726
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 2: Which we see is not really the case though. And

1727
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: you're right, the morality clauses once you do work for

1728
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: a company.

1729
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: We see it now.

1730
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 2: If you're going to be racist out at Target wearing

1731
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: a fucking FedEx thing and someone records you and now

1732
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: they call FedEx.

1733
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: You're representing the company while you're.

1734
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 4: Out there free to say what you want, you are

1735
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 4: not free from the consequences.

1736
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 1: There we go.

1737
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: I don't I think you can just be a guy

1738
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: in a car though, Like I feel like when we're

1739
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 3: seeing like do you remember that thing that happened in

1740
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 3: California There was like a black guy walking down.

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Speaker 1: The street and they're like, where are you from? Do

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Speaker 1: little girl outside of the window. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There's a video that went viral recently of this man

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Speaker 3: following a black man walking and his child even got

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Speaker 3: involved in it, like yeah, who are you?

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Speaker 1: And he got fired from his job, huh, and which rightfully.

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Speaker 3: So like it was super racist. I'm just in my

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Speaker 3: own neighborhood. But yeah, I mean it's crazy because when

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Speaker 3: you think about the things that you can be doing

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Speaker 3: outside of work to meet full blown racism, obviously, right,

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Speaker 3: we can't have you interacting with clients. However, me having

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Speaker 3: a sex tape somewhere, do I really deserve not to

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Speaker 3: be in this corporate.

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Speaker 2: Office because you saw my tips? I'll be honest too,

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Speaker 2: I do think there's that I hate to gender war

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Speaker 2: it out. I feel like it would be different for men,

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Speaker 2: of course it would we see it all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's women in sex work that would have the issue.

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Speaker 2: So that would be my advice to your friend.

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Speaker 1: I assume it is.

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Speaker 4: Male porn stars get ride up in Rolling Stone magazine.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they you know, like right, female porn stars

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Speaker 4: don't really or like or they get out of the

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Speaker 4: industry and say, oh, the industry fucked me up so.

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Speaker 1: Bad and I've found God.

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Speaker 4: Then they and then they get more mainstream press because

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Speaker 4: they're feeding into that narrative.

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Speaker 1: Right, that is the big thing.

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Speaker 2: Right now, a lot of only Fans girls are retiring

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Speaker 2: and turning their life over to Jesus.

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Speaker 4: It's like a whole really again, what happens in waves

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Speaker 4: in the industry.

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Speaker 1: You get it. I've had Jesus in your life when

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Speaker 1: you a second dude, you could have you could have Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that Jesus would have had a problem.

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Speaker 1: He wants you on your knees. Where can people find you? Wow?

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Speaker 1: On that note, actually, how can people support you?

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Speaker 4: Okay? So I do have an only Fans it's OnlyFans

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Speaker 4: dot com forward slash Jenna Hayes. I also have a

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Speaker 4: flashlight I'm one of the first ever flesh light girls.

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Speaker 4: I was number three ever in history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one too.

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Speaker 4: It was Tera Patrick and a girl named Sandy Westgate

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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 1: And then it was me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm one of the o G flesh that's the

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Speaker 4: flash Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That is a flex I'm not even gonna hold it,

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Speaker 1: not really.

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Speaker 4: The bug told me about how it was made and yeah,

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Speaker 4: I like, really mold your body and everything.

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Speaker 1: That you have to masturbate before. So it was engorged.

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Speaker 3: No, we didn't have to mass maybe because it was

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Speaker 3: she said, they want you kind of like turned on

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Speaker 3: so they can Maybe it's evolved.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well you want your your your vulva to

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Speaker 4: do what's called tenting is when it's actually like prepared.

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Speaker 1: For Okay, so that's oh yeah, it's so funny. By

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Speaker 1: the way, sex hip.

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Speaker 2: At the end of this shout out, I just did

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Speaker 2: the Willie Colombe podcast and his friend gifted him a

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Speaker 2: flashlight and he was like, yeah, I don't know, it

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Speaker 2: kind of hurt.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know that he had to put lubin at first.

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Speaker 1: Literally rob dogging and some are.

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Speaker 4: Tighter than others. And I hope he took out the

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Speaker 4: little cardboard thing that was high.

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Speaker 1: It hurt. I said, did you put lubin in? Loveellas?

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Speaker 1: If you are gifted or I have never used a

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Speaker 1: flush light, you do.

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Speaker 4: Have to lub it up before they're awesome. They're really awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have one for my vagina, and I have

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Speaker 1: one for my posty and one for my ass. Oh wow.

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Speaker 4: And then I used to have one for my mouth,

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Speaker 4: but they just continued that forever ago and I think

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Speaker 4: they should bring it back.

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Speaker 1: I do too. It was called the Swallow. It is

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Speaker 1: my favorite one. I'll write a letter swallow. That's awesome.

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Speaker 4: But so I have those and that's how people can

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Speaker 4: support me. Or they can go to shop Jena Hayes

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Speaker 4: dot com, which is where I sell autographs, posters. Everything

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Speaker 4: is limited edition. There's some T shirts left. And then

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01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 4: I have all of my one of a kind items,

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Speaker 4: like all the stuff that I wore in my scends.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, I really gotta look for one.

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Speaker 3: If it's too hig, I'm just gonna get sure. Thank

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01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 3: you for listening to her vision upgrade. If you want

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Speaker 3: to see the video, and of course spend your money

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Speaker 3: there first, then.

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Speaker 4: Jenna okay, and they can always always follow me twenty

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Speaker 4: four to seven at Instagram dot com forward slash Jenna Hayes.

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Speaker 4: I have a bunch of projects coming out. I have

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Speaker 4: a film actually coming out that is a commemorating it's

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01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 4: commemorating my last dance film or my last dance tour.

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 4: So it's basically I did like a large format magazine

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Speaker 4: with paperwork YC in twenty nineteen that commemorated my last

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 4: dance tour. Julia Fox shot pictures of it, A bunch

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Speaker 4: of other photographer's shot pictures of it, and I did

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Speaker 4: a film version and so I'm releasing that in the

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Speaker 4: next month. And I also have a coffee table photography

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Speaker 4: book that I did with a fashion photographer that's coming out.

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Speaker 1: Oh I want to know wait, because I can I

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Speaker 1: tell you what you aged yourself?

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Speaker 4: What?

1847
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 3: This is the only thing you said that aged yourself?

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Speaker 3: What you can follow me at Instagram dot com back

1849
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 3: you didn't say at Jenna Hayes, I was like, oh.

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I also, I haven't done an interview on a long time.

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01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 4: I'm a little i'm a little rusty hair and we

1853
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 4: were like, okay, So I'm also at Jenna Hayes on,

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01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call this episode and then I just got

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Speaker 4: a blue sky. But there's like a link tree that

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 4: has all of my links and everything to like my

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01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 4: horror podcast that I do and all kinds of horror. Yeah,

1858
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 4: I do where I have two girlfriends where we we

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01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 4: review like scary movies and like thriller movies.

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Speaker 1: Love it and so it's on you. We just do

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01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: it for fun, And I want to take you.

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Speaker 3: The guy that's across from my studio here, okay, is

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01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: a horror Have you ever been in here? No, he's

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01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 3: like say Danny, and he films horror podcasts. He's like

1865
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 3: letters to murders. It's really cool in it.

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Speaker 1: Oh we should go. But also there's a church that

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01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: just got a studio in here, and they kept parking

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Speaker 1: in the spot and he was like, oh, go over

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Speaker 1: there and talk about the double. I was like, don't

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Speaker 1: do it, no, but he really and it's really cool

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01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: in there. But he loved horror movies and he has people.

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01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 4: Shoot there scary movies because it's just like a hobby.

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 4: We don't make any money off of it.

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Speaker 1: We just do it for fun. Girl, you made that

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Speaker 1: twenty you bet it? Flip them horror podcasts.

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01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 4: We probably wonderful, like a money making like.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gone. That's the one genre. I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Really, I love it. Have you seen the substance? But

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Speaker 4: I don't want we're doing this weekend, we're covering the

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 4: substance that's not horror though it's so it's body horror.

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Speaker 1: Damn, that was good. You watched it? Of course I watched.

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Speaker 4: I watched it in the movie theater in Australia.

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: Lastics. Is that body horror? It's just like morphing.

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01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 4: It's no, it's it's also very feminist. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of like underlying messages about unrealistic body standards.

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Speaker 1: In Hawaii and Hawaii and Hollywood. God, I'm thinking about

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01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: a vacation right now. I really am.

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 4: I literally just booked a trip to Hawaii, so my

1889
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 4: brain is over there. But yeah, it talks about like

1890
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 4: unrealistic body standards in Hollywood and you.

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Speaker 1: Would love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really good out if it's scary, no, no, no,

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 4: it's not scared.

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Speaker 1: It's as I can't, I mean I would.

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Speaker 4: I went on a date to see it in Australia

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Speaker 4: and the guy was pretty good that I was with

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01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 4: was like a little horrify.

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Speaker 1: I think I traumatized him. Yeah, it's a saw smile too.

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Speaker 1: That was bad.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about this movie that made me I

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 3: actually wanted to do a cinema on it. In short,

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: if you watch the preview, you'll see this, Demi Moore

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01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: is given the chance to age backwards, and she has

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 3: to live one week young and one week as herself

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Speaker 3: and basically going back, yeah, being forty five or whatever.

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01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 3: It's like traumatizing her. She doesn't want to leave the house, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's good.

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Speaker 1: It's good. So it sounds like sci fi. It's good.

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Speaker 4: It's like I like like sci fi, like thriller.

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01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: I like, I like sci fi. I could do sci fi,

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Speaker 1: not horror.

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Speaker 4: But I could do sci fi horror, not horror horror.

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Speaker 1: Wait, well I don't.

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Speaker 4: Horror horror, the horror horror.

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Speaker 1: Okay, bye, y'all