WEBVTT - The Human Mind--So Annoying!

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<v Speaker 1>The human mind so annoying. It's one more thing I'm

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<v Speaker 1>one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I know mine is.

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<v Speaker 1>You've said this many times over the year years. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope at some point humankind can do this. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>can with neurallink or AI or something like that. You've

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<v Speaker 1>said before that if you could live in someone else's mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most terrifying thing you could ever do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder, I wonder, I wonder how much similarity

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<v Speaker 1>there would be and how much it would be, like

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you think about because there are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there are things that you know. We all have

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<v Speaker 1>friends and family. We know the things that they're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in and think about that you never think about, just

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<v Speaker 1>like surface level, you know, like you think about golf

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Probably I never think about golf, So would

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<v Speaker 1>just be interesting just that stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is so a stone our conversation. But I

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<v Speaker 3>love this sort of conversation. If you were not only okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so you're inside their head, you would be feeling what

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<v Speaker 3>they feel as well or stream sense years.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's sort of that's why I say mine instead

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<v Speaker 1>of brain, allthough I supposed to be the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but just yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the the way they

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fully, fully perceive life on a daily basis

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<v Speaker 1>as someone else, would be the most fascinating thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Like if you got at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day and thought, God, I want to be an example.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll use this as an example. You didn't think about

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<v Speaker 1>sex at all today or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but obviously, he says, reaching for the bong. So

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<v Speaker 3>I would still retain my own consciousness. You'd have to

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<v Speaker 3>be aware that I was being a tourist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets very complicated, very fast.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know we can handle it.

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<v Speaker 4>I would want to live in a man's brain for

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<v Speaker 4>a day, just any guys, because you guys think so

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<v Speaker 4>much different. Like, for example, if I say, hey, if

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<v Speaker 4>you're sitting there quietly, say hey, what are you thinking about? Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't exist in my world. It doesn't exist in

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<v Speaker 1>anybody's world. It's impossible to think about nothing. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>but it's uh, but yeah, there's probably different levels of focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, right, I think, well, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get off on this because I have a specific agenda

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<v Speaker 1>here that I'm setting up for.

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<v Speaker 2>So I knew he had agenda.

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<v Speaker 4>It always does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Uh. For instance, I am not a warrior

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<v Speaker 1>almost at all. I I'd probably be better off if

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<v Speaker 1>I was more of a warrior tea I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't worry about things. And I, uh, my son

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<v Speaker 1>has picked that up and now watching it in someone

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<v Speaker 1>else where, I think, how do I get you to

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<v Speaker 1>worry more? You should be worried more about this. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not worried at all. I'm like that, So he got

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<v Speaker 1>that for me. I'd be better off if I worried more.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just don't worry about things. But I am

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<v Speaker 1>a and this is probably worse then be like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know warriors to the point of it's awful. I won't

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<v Speaker 1>say who it is. But somebody I've known my whole life,

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<v Speaker 1>which might be a hint, divulged to me the other

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<v Speaker 1>day what a worrier they are, and they worry about

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<v Speaker 1>everything all the time, and it sounds like just a

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<v Speaker 1>tortuous way to live, to worry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm definitely closer to that side. I've tried to get

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<v Speaker 3>better about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, this particular person just worries about so many

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<v Speaker 1>things that are relatively mundane or the chance of that

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<v Speaker 1>happening is so incredibly low. I can't imagine why you'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's me.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't choose to these things and the how much

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<v Speaker 1>we can correct them. I do not know. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I've been working on because I'm a perseverator on things

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<v Speaker 1>that have already happened. There's no point in thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>things that have already happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And Derek Guya makes up words. What was that word?

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<v Speaker 1>Focus on and keep repeating over and over and over

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<v Speaker 1>on your your head, never heard it. You can't stop

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<v Speaker 1>replaying the tape on things that have already happened that

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<v Speaker 1>were you know, usually bad, always bad things. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what could have have done? Different? Different? Why did I

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<v Speaker 1>do that? You know? That sort of thing that I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, at least worrying about future things, even that

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<v Speaker 1>though it could be tortures. Every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna stop something bad from happening by worrying all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. My thing is never going to do any good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's done and gone. There's no point in thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>that now.

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<v Speaker 4>See, I identify with both of those I do. I

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<v Speaker 4>do both. Yeah, me to a really almost pathetic level.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have a sense of humor about it. To

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<v Speaker 3>your assertion slash question that you can probably manage it

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<v Speaker 3>within a certain percentage. You can get like twenty percent

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<v Speaker 3>more relaxed or twenty percent more forgiving of yourself, but

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<v Speaker 3>you probably can't change that set point completely.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got a certain instance in my fairly recent

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<v Speaker 1>life that was quite devastating, and you know, I won't

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<v Speaker 1>be specific about it, but that I have really hard

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<v Speaker 1>trouble not thinking about a lot every day. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I went to my uh, you know, my favorite therapists,

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<v Speaker 1>my chatbots for some advice on what to do here,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of this stuff I thought was really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about the practical shift and the thinking. We get some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of I'm gonna call it a sick pleasure. The

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<v Speaker 1>chatbots didn't call it a sick pleasure, and that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong term, but we're getting some benefit out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Fear is a is a is a hit

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<v Speaker 1>to the brain in the same way that excitement or

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<v Speaker 1>joy is a hit to the brain. You're getting some

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<v Speaker 1>hit to the brain from staying on these things that

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<v Speaker 1>you like the or or maybe likes the wrong word.

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<v Speaker 1>You've gotten so used to you can't imagine not having

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<v Speaker 1>that feeling that seems to be what happens, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we get stuck in that mode. Uh, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta you gotta like find a way to get past that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just read what the the chatbots said, digging through

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<v Speaker 1>lots of psychological research.

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<v Speaker 2>On this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Your chat pot doesn't look like an anime school girl,

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<v Speaker 3>does it.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have those thing? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I went more with a French Maid, but I

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<v Speaker 1>spoll the Hey, it's a classic. The practical shift is

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<v Speaker 1>to have other things worth thinking about. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I was taught in psych one oh one in college,

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<v Speaker 1>which was probably crap. I mean that was fifty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>forty five years ago. They probably decided that was all crap.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought up to Uh. My wife was a psychology

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<v Speaker 1>major years later because she was younger than me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I brought up the idea of something that I learned

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<v Speaker 1>in psychology once and she burst out laughing, what they

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<v Speaker 1>taught you?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So I wonder if everything, but anyway, one thing I

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<v Speaker 1>learned in psych class, uh was fun stopping Like you

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<v Speaker 1>get negative thoughts and you try to stop them. And

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<v Speaker 1>at least this advice current advice from this chatbot was

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<v Speaker 1>that never works. Thought stopping is not something that you

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<v Speaker 1>can do. It's it compared it to trying to hold

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<v Speaker 1>a beach ball underwater. The further you push it down,

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<v Speaker 1>the harder it tries to get back up. And thought

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<v Speaker 1>stopping doesn't work. You have to think about something different

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as the thought. As soon as the thought

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<v Speaker 1>comes into your head. You don't try to push it away. No,

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<v Speaker 1>focus on a different thing is the only way you

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<v Speaker 1>can deal with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's yeah, Okay, that's a little quibblesome by the chatbot.

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<v Speaker 3>It's right, But I mean, I like I used to

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<v Speaker 3>for a very fairly brief period of my life, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>five ten years, I had a terrible fear of flying,

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<v Speaker 3>just imagining the worst over and over again. And I

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<v Speaker 3>finally engaged in thoughts stopping stop thinking about that, and

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<v Speaker 3>then obviously you have to move on to something else.

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<v Speaker 1>But and that works for you, I've not had any

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<v Speaker 1>success with that. Maybe it's because I didn't follow it

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<v Speaker 1>up with think about something else, which might is probably

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<v Speaker 1>the key part. I just it's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>old joke of don't think about a blue elephant. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>think about a blue elephant, don't think about a blue

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<v Speaker 1>eve and you you know, you know what happens there.

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<v Speaker 3>And you must remember I have a mind like a

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<v Speaker 3>steel trap as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, don't think about X. Don't think about X.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop thinking about X's is thinking about X. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the trap that I get into. Where there's empty space,

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<v Speaker 1>your mind always fills it with something and has to.

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<v Speaker 1>You've reinforced with your brain over and over over again,

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<v Speaker 1>these thoughts that give some reaction in your brain that

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<v Speaker 1>you're tethered to. Whether it's a positive feeling or a

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<v Speaker 1>negative feeling, you're tethered to that feeling. That's your normal part.

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<v Speaker 1>Your brain wants to pull you back to what it's

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<v Speaker 1>used to, no matter what it is, which is troubling,

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<v Speaker 1>a troubling thought. If you're you know, you got trauma

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, or you grow up in a household

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<v Speaker 1>where everybody this is probably why people are like this.

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<v Speaker 1>If you grew up in a household I didn't, thank God,

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<v Speaker 1>where everything was always stressful and fearful, your brain pulls

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<v Speaker 1>you back to that because that is what it's decided.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kept you alive this long. It's gotta be working.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's keep doing it even if it's bad for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a good friend who discovered that about himself.

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<v Speaker 3>It really freed him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I'm kind of having this occurrence to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have something that major, but I have always

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<v Speaker 1>focused on these big negative things that happen in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just can't stop thinking about him, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing me any good. So what you need to

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<v Speaker 1>do is you need to give your thoughts somewhere to go,

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<v Speaker 1>something else to think about, and you know, you just

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<v Speaker 1>choose a couple of things that you're gonna focus on.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me anyway, instead of stop, go away, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to immediately fix up. No, we're gonna think about

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<v Speaker 1>this like learning a new piano piece or whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>hell is. I'm going to start thinking about, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what really works for me, picturing smiting my enemies. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>there you go, so satisfy that there you go. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I've known people who's who's whose focus is that revenge

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<v Speaker 1>on people that have wronged them, family members or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all they think about. That's their happy place. Happy

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<v Speaker 1>place is the wrong word. Comfort zone. That's their normal zone.

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<v Speaker 1>And your brain normal your brain pulls you back to

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<v Speaker 1>your what you've been doing your whole life, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad for you over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a fascinating thought. So maybe some of you

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<v Speaker 1>think I don't have any what I would consider negative

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<v Speaker 1>regular thoughts that are holding me back good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do, and I've just got a I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what my focus is gonna be par cheesy,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I need to come up with something.

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<v Speaker 3>That A fascinating game of chance, end strategy jank are cheesy?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh AnyWho? I don't know if that was of any

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<v Speaker 1>use to anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it. I think it is. I absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a firm believer that if you're conscious of

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<v Speaker 3>your consciousness you can do better. You have at least

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<v Speaker 3>be aware of the things you're thinking and name of them.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a big fan of that, because once you do that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's there's so much that's not inevitable neurologically, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>habit or a comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost tons of stuff that we think is exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>you said, it's not inevitable. It's just a habit, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a very bad habit that we developed a very

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<v Speaker 1>very very long time ago, and then we just hang onto,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really weird that we do that to ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I had another point I was gonna make. Oh, so,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that the chatbot said, based on the recent

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<v Speaker 1>psychology is it's gonna feel really weird and contrived for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while. That whenever you have these thoughts, you say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>time to think about whatever it is I'm gonna choose

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<v Speaker 1>to think about, and I better come up with something soon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna seem contrived and forced. But over time your

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<v Speaker 1>mind will start to say, well, I guess he's not

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<v Speaker 1>interested in that anymore. Let's switch over to this. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that's what happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. Okay, I've been a little eye rolling through this

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<v Speaker 4>podcast because I have zero control over that. Like, whenever

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<v Speaker 4>I've tried to do the whole, don't think about it,

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<v Speaker 4>think about something else that almost like magnifies it.

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<v Speaker 1>More, right, right, And I think that's why it said

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna seem contrived and forced and pointless for quite

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<v Speaker 1>a while. But I love the idea of the brain

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<v Speaker 1>finally saying well, I guess we're not thinking about this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's shift our attention over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember in your early days of thinking about alcoholism.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember you use the phrase you're trying to fix

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<v Speaker 3>your brain with your brain, yeah, which obviously fascinated by

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<v Speaker 3>that notion.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not impossible, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a task the human mind does have

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<v Speaker 1>the ability. We all sense this. I think to almost

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<v Speaker 1>think about it as a separate thing, like which is

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<v Speaker 1>weird it's function you mean, or like it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>two things at once, the fixing your brain with your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm talking right now about something my brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Does, right or I should be talking about something my

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<v Speaker 3>brain's doing right now, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then thinking about this and thinking about something else

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<v Speaker 4>at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really, really I got so excited about this last

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<v Speaker 1>night because I've been doing this my whole life without

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<v Speaker 1>even really noticing it. And I started having these conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with different chatbots to like nailed on, isn't this what

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<v Speaker 1>everybody does? And they were like, no, second, not what

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<v Speaker 1>everybody does all the time, Like I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>live this way. I can let not do this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an option. I'm almost thrilled about this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>starting a new path of trying to switch to something else,

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<v Speaker 1>which I've I've done, We've all done, We've all had

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<v Speaker 1>things we don't want to think about, and you try

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<v Speaker 1>to change it, but it doesn't necessarily work all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the idea that if you keep doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>keep doing it, your brain decides, all right, enough of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently we're done with that chapter. The door on that one,

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<v Speaker 1>and move on.

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<v Speaker 4>Good Jack getting rid of the RBF changing his brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna be perfectly fixed by the time I'm

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight and died.

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<v Speaker 2>Personal development, Who are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be just great on my deathbed. That last five minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be a joy to be around.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect man. Jax becomes so likable.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh oh the death rattle.

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<v Speaker 2>That's too bad. And I lost track of the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about two minutes ago. I was thinking about in and

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<v Speaker 2>out Burger.

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<v Speaker 1>I just haven't I've been thinking.

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<v Speaker 4>About damn it, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that now you may hungry the focus to a

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<v Speaker 1>big mac. Well, I guess that's it. There's the death rattle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's hilarious.