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Speaker 1: Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this
Speaker 1: episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just
Speaker 1: Baseball podcast network, Recording Thursday afternoon, July eleventh, post series
Speaker 1: from the Padres series down in San Diego, and it
Speaker 1: was nice to see the Mariners had one of their
Speaker 1: best offensive performances of the season in Game one, and
Speaker 1: then they had a more normal Mariners offensive outing in
Speaker 1: Game two and still managed to win both games. And
Speaker 1: now Lyle the Mariners are setting themselves up with a
Speaker 1: pretty good chance to go into the break underratedly Hot,
Speaker 1: Is that too optimistic of a take or do we
Speaker 1: need to be negative again?
Speaker 2: No, it's not too optimistic, because if you win both
Speaker 2: games against the Padres, which they did, and then you
Speaker 2: win three or four against the Angels, that's winning five
Speaker 2: of your final six going into the break, and that's
Speaker 2: a good stretch, even if it's against what is mostly
Speaker 2: an serious org in the Los Angeles Angels. You take
Speaker 2: wins where you take wins, they all count the same. Now,
Speaker 2: to your point about the polar opposite days against the Padres,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's probably some correlation to that, Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe not. The starting pitchers that were on the mound
Speaker 2: each day for the Padres ak one that's basically a
Speaker 2: triple A starter and another that's had a really good
Speaker 2: year in Michael King.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so, And let's say Julio's days
Speaker 1: epitomized both of those. Julio dominated on Tuesday. That was
Speaker 1: good to see. He had his best offensive game of
Speaker 1: the year, second four hit game of the season, first
Speaker 1: game with four hits and multiple extra base hits this
Speaker 1: year is what he should probably be doing a lot
Speaker 1: more often. And he turns around on Wednesday and as
Speaker 1: a sombrero, So it's a start.
Speaker 2: It's a start. Wasn't it a golden sombrero. Wasn't it
Speaker 2: for straw?
Speaker 1: It was a golden sombrero for strikeouts? Yeah? But hey,
Speaker 1: one golden sombrero and one best offensive game of the
Speaker 1: season is better than two bad offensive games, So you know,
Speaker 1: we'll take it.
Speaker 2: This is true. Look, the Mariner swept the series, two
Speaker 2: game series, but they swept it against the team that's
Speaker 2: in a playoff spot right now. In the Padres. You'll
Speaker 2: take your wins where you can get them. Hopefully, this
Speaker 2: sparks something. Is it guaranteed to spark something. No, we're
Speaker 2: probably gonna need to see what that Astro series looks
Speaker 2: like out of the break to really gauge what this
Speaker 2: team could look like moving forward. But still, you take
Speaker 2: your wins where you can take your wins. There are
Speaker 2: fifty wins this year, a lot faster than they were
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, so that's another good sign. And
Speaker 2: if you want to stay on the positives here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was gonna say shatout Jorge Polanco and
Speaker 1: why this is such an important stretch for him is
Speaker 1: because this is this upcoming series against the Angels is
Speaker 1: the last series where the front office isn't tied down
Speaker 1: essentially with something else or the draft. They're tied down
Speaker 1: with the draft. The drafts on Sunday, and that's very
Speaker 1: important to them, especially organization like the Mariners, which has
Speaker 1: done such a great job drafting, and this big reason
Speaker 1: why they're so successful. Right now, it's not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on Joge Plonko's mind. He wants to play well
Speaker 1: no matter what, but he the Maritors will be more
Speaker 1: active with moves once the draft is over, and Jerry
Speaker 1: Depoto and Justin Hollander can put their full effort on
Speaker 1: this current roster opposed to drafting their future one, which
Speaker 1: is why it was probably important for Jorge Plonco to
Speaker 1: have a really good series in San Diego. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if him having an insane four games set
Speaker 1: against the Angels will save him. I feel like his
Speaker 1: fate for the most part, has already decided based on
Speaker 1: the first ninety or so games of the season. But
Speaker 1: it wouldn't hurt it certainly wouldn't hurt now later more
Speaker 1: than ever to break out and start hitting like we
Speaker 1: know he used to be able to hit, because I'm
Speaker 1: sure the Mariners would much rather players on their own
Speaker 1: roster play significantly better and impact the offense rather than
Speaker 1: having to go dish out some of these prospects they
Speaker 1: really don't want to trade. So it's a start. Does
Speaker 1: it continue?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't say Jorge Polanco's totally dead.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he's in a great spot. But if
Speaker 2: we get close to the trade deadline and he's still
Speaker 2: hitting well and the Mariners still haven't acquired a second baseman,
Speaker 2: they may not do it. They may not go get
Speaker 2: a second basement. They may stick with Polanco. Now, he's
Speaker 2: really gonna have to show signs. Some of the power
Speaker 2: is gonna have to come back. Strikeouts are gonna have
Speaker 2: to go down, He's gonna have to consistently make real
Speaker 2: contact with the ball, all that stuff. But if he
Speaker 2: really has a good month of July, the Mariners may say, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's shift our focus to going and getting outfielders. Let's
Speaker 2: go get outfielders. Let's potentially get a reliever. Christian Walker's
Speaker 2: out there. That's another potential option for a rental. We've
Speaker 2: talked about first base. Potentially. If Polanco really hits, they
Speaker 2: may say we can focus on other spots. Now. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody's banking on the fact that Polanco's gonna
Speaker 2: get hot, but we'll see. I wouldn't say he is
Speaker 2: totally dead in the water again. I would not say
Speaker 2: he's in a great spot. I would say these next
Speaker 2: two weeks are extremely important for him.
Speaker 1: Would you say so? If not dead in the water,
Speaker 1: Even though he had a really good two games in
Speaker 1: San Diego, his starting spot now is probably not guaranteed.
Speaker 1: There are many people after the off day on Monday saying, well,
Speaker 1: Jorge Plunko probably shouldn't be starting anymore. And I think
Speaker 1: that's totally fair and I was in that boat as well.
Speaker 1: Now his starts will probably be a little bit more mixed,
Speaker 1: but totally on the bench. Like, say they start him tonight,
Speaker 1: we don't have the lineup yet, Say they start him
Speaker 1: tonight on Thursday, that idea for now would probably falter
Speaker 1: for Scott Service, like, well, if he's gonna continue to hit,
Speaker 1: we might as well leave him in the lineup, because
Speaker 1: it's been pretty evident they don't really trust Bliss, at
Speaker 1: least not at this point. Is development at the plate
Speaker 1: consistently and they would rather that be Jorge Plunker. So
Speaker 1: there's some things to juggle. They're gonna ride his hot hand,
Speaker 1: not certainly not benching him until they're forced to do otherwise, right.
Speaker 2: I think in conclusion, the month of is gonna be
Speaker 2: extremely crucial for Jorge Polanco, and especially these next two weeks.
Speaker 2: If he can prove that he can have a real
Speaker 2: turnaround second half, maybe the Mariners will stick with him.
Speaker 2: If not, they'll probably go out and get somebody. I
Speaker 2: think that's I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 1: So does he need to have a good game, you think,
Speaker 1: like every single day, all the Angel series, then all
Speaker 1: the Astro series as well, to avoid any of that,
Speaker 1: because if he goes out there tonight and has three
Speaker 1: strikeouts and looks terrible again at the plate, people are
Speaker 1: gonna want him right back there on the bench.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has to have a three
Speaker 2: hit night every night, but he's gonna have to have
Speaker 2: good series after good series. He's gonna have to look
Speaker 2: back at the end of each series and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was a contributing factor in the offense. I made
Speaker 2: an impact. Nobody gets a two to three hit night
Speaker 2: every night. But he is going to have to string
Speaker 2: together some good games consecutively. I think that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, he might need to based on how bad he
Speaker 1: was the first three months, lost a lot of ground.
Speaker 2: See right, Yeah, there's still some time before the deadline.
Speaker 2: There's about three weeks, so I think I think there's
Speaker 2: still some times for some time for things to play out,
Speaker 2: especially considering the trade deadline and the moves that get
Speaker 2: made at the trade deadline seem to get pushed further
Speaker 2: and further back every year. So if the trade deadline
Speaker 2: doesn't really get crazy, till forty eight hours before. That
Speaker 2: gives Jorge Polonko a lot more time. If it starts
Speaker 2: early this year, it may not, but if it's the former,
Speaker 2: we may see Jorge Polonco get a lot of playing
Speaker 2: time until August first to see can this truly turn
Speaker 2: around or is this just not gonna work?
Speaker 1: We'll have to see.
Speaker 2: That's right. Okay, Before we get to our mailbag, I
Speaker 2: want to give everybody a quick little programming update for
Speaker 2: next week's show. So we've talked about TJ and I
Speaker 2: are going to be in Dallas. We're going All Star Week.
Speaker 2: We're fired up about it. We'll probably talk about that
Speaker 2: a little more later in the show, but we're gonna
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a change for this upcoming
Speaker 2: week and when we release our podcast, especially with the
Speaker 2: All Star break going on. So instead of Wednesday and
Speaker 2: Friday this week, we're gonna put out an episode Monday
Speaker 2: and then a normal episode Friday. Monday's episode will be
Speaker 2: probably a somewhat short one, but it'll be all about
Speaker 2: the Mariner's first round draft pick. It'll be about whoever
Speaker 2: the Mariner's select in the first round. We're going to
Speaker 2: do a dive into him, who the player is, what
Speaker 2: he can bring to the table, and kind of our
Speaker 2: instant reactions to the pick. That'll be out first thing
Speaker 2: Monday morning, after the draft Sunday night, So that'll be Monday,
Speaker 2: and then Friday we'll recap All Star Week and we're
Speaker 2: also planning, at least as of now, to have Joe
Speaker 2: Doyle on with us to recap the entirety of the
Speaker 2: draft and break down a bunch of the Mariner's picks
Speaker 2: with us so we can get some expert insight from him.
Speaker 2: So Monday Friday, those are when the podcast are coming
Speaker 2: out this week. After that it'll be back to normal.
Speaker 1: Let's get into our mail bag now. We got a
Speaker 1: lot of good questions here in this meal bag, covering
Speaker 1: a variety of topics, So let's start off on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Make sure I have the name right. Kalem Mow on
Speaker 1: YouTube sends us this question. I'd love to get your guys'
Speaker 1: thoughts on why you think Scott continues to you Mitch
Speaker 1: Hanneger as a lefty masher, including pinch hitting.
Speaker 2: I almost want to turn this back to you because
Speaker 2: you texted me as we're doing prep for this show
Speaker 2: and said, have you seen some of the other Mariners
Speaker 2: bats against left handed pitching.
Speaker 1: So let's so let's cover that. So let's start with
Speaker 1: Mitch Hanneger himself as a lefty master. Because this is
Speaker 1: why this question was burned. Why does Scott Servis use
Speaker 1: Mitch Hanneger as a lefty masher When Mitch Hanneger this
Speaker 1: season has a seventeen WRC plus against lefties, not one
Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen, meaning that is eighty three percent below league
Speaker 1: average against left handers. That's not very good. Now here's
Speaker 1: an idea. Let's start based off of Mitch's past. Mitch
Speaker 1: in is passed in twenty twenty two, is last season
Speaker 1: with the Mariners. In his last somewhat healthy season, had
Speaker 1: a won twenty WRC plus against lefties, and twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one one, Mitch Hanneger had a one forty eight WRC
Speaker 1: plus against lefties. So there's a bit of a track
Speaker 1: record that Scott Servis wants to go off of in
Speaker 1: hopes that Mitch Hanneger hits better against lefties. The problem is,
Speaker 1: for Scott's sake, he doesn't have much else to go
Speaker 1: off of when looking at right handed bats to fates
Speaker 1: lefties or left handed, we'll get to start with the
Speaker 1: righty's and then we'll go to lefties. In terms of outfielders,
Speaker 1: the Mariners have available to them to hit against lefties,
Speaker 1: so let's run through the other right handed hitting outfielders.
Speaker 1: Julio's playing every day no matter what, so that doesn't
Speaker 1: even matter what he does against lefties because he has
Speaker 1: to play anyways. Victor Roebliss has played well in his
Speaker 1: small sample as a Seattle Mariner, but it's not like
Speaker 1: he's crushed lefties in his career. Is a one zero
Speaker 1: three career WRC plus against lefties. Not amazing, not not terrible,
Speaker 1: but not great. So there's no over the top inclination
Speaker 1: to play Victor Roebliss over Mitch Hanneger against lefties. You
Speaker 1: can make the case, especially right now based on how
Speaker 1: Hanniger's hitting, but career wise, there's no real incentive for
Speaker 1: him to do that. And Dylan Moore, out of the
Speaker 1: seventy six games he's played this season, has only played
Speaker 1: nineteen in the outfield, so saying he should be a
Speaker 1: realistic option to replace Hanneger in the outfield as this
Speaker 1: roster is currently constructed is not not what Scott how
Speaker 1: Scott Servis wants to roll at this point. So remember
Speaker 1: seventy six games, nineteen games he's played in leftfield, not
Speaker 1: even right field, left field for Dylan Moore. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Demo's hit against lefties, but they've needed Demo on the
Speaker 1: infield more than they've needed him in the outfield this season.
Speaker 1: So that's why he's not the option or place it Now,
Speaker 1: what about the lefties, because this question frames well, guys
Speaker 1: like Luke Rayley are hit better against lefties than Mitch
Speaker 1: Handerger does. Well, the lefties have not been great against
Speaker 1: lefties this year. Not a very shocking development, but they
Speaker 1: haven't been. Luke Rayley has a seventy six WRC plus
Speaker 1: against lefties this year. Dominic canzone Lyle against lefties this
Speaker 1: year has a negative sixty five, negative sixty five WRC
Speaker 1: plus against lefties this year. In case you were curious,
Speaker 1: the combined WRC plus of those two against lefties is eleven.
Speaker 1: So that's why those two won't get nods over Mitch
Speaker 1: Hanneger against lefties. What about the guys in the miners, Well,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Class who's just got called up this week, is
Speaker 1: unproven and most people I would say, still don't believe
Speaker 1: he's ready ready as a big league hitter, so that's
Speaker 1: why he doesn't get the nod. Samad Taylor has a
Speaker 1: career sixty one wrc plus against lefties. Cade Marlowe is
Speaker 1: a lefty himself and has a high strikeout rate, so
Speaker 1: that also wouldn't work. So ultimately it comes down to
Speaker 1: the Mariners don't have enough options to hit lefties in
Speaker 1: there in at the big league level and at Triple
Speaker 1: A level for what they need Mitch Handerger to do.
Speaker 1: So Scott Servis really has no choice at this point.
Speaker 1: He doesn't because the other options are not good enough
Speaker 1: to hit against lefties.
Speaker 2: We should probably preface the canzone thing with. He has
Speaker 2: a very very small sample size against left handed pitching,
Speaker 2: so that's why is WRC plus is pretty low. But
Speaker 2: Luke Rayley, there's an argument there, seventy six versus seventeen.
Speaker 2: That's a fair argument, right.
Speaker 1: Not really, it's still not productive.
Speaker 2: But if you're talking about why is Mitch playing over
Speaker 2: certain guys, well.
Speaker 1: Luke Raley plays every day anyways now.
Speaker 2: So he has to sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, Yeah, But Luke Rayley is your best offensive bats
Speaker 1: so I think that's an easier argument. What about what
Speaker 1: what about other guys besides Luke Raley? Because you have
Speaker 1: to fill two corner outfield spots, and the other options
Speaker 1: I just listed don't make a compelling case.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is under the assumption Julio and Raley
Speaker 2: are playing every day and then everybody else is fighting
Speaker 2: for that last spot. Correct. I've started to think about
Speaker 2: this over the last few days, and again, like we
Speaker 2: always have to preface these Mitch Haniger talks with these
Speaker 2: are not fun conversations to have because Mitch Haniger's loved
Speaker 2: here by the Mariners in the Pacific Northwest, by the
Speaker 2: fan base for good reason. He's been here a long
Speaker 2: time fan favorite, works his tail off. Guys in the
Speaker 2: locker room and the clubhouse love him. But if we're
Speaker 2: talking about on field production, it has really really been tough,
Speaker 2: especially here in twenty twenty four, or more here in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Obviously, the majority of his career has
Speaker 2: been very good, but Cad Marlow started to get pretty
Speaker 2: hot over the last week in Tacoma. He's had a
Speaker 2: really good start to July. His ops for the years
Speaker 2: starting to climb up. It's about seven thirty now, and
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think about the idea of him being
Speaker 2: on this roster over Mitch Hanneger until the Mariners make
Speaker 2: a trade for another outfield bat. And I say that
Speaker 2: because one Marlow's now swinging it to you know he's
Speaker 2: going to be a better defender than Mitch Hanneger. Mitch
Speaker 2: Hanniger is almost a negative one war player this year,
Speaker 2: and a lot of that's because of his defense. And
Speaker 2: Hanneger for the year also has an eighty three WRC plus.
Speaker 2: So I think about it like this, do you trust
Speaker 2: Marlow to be essentially an eighty WRC plus bat in
Speaker 2: the big leagues and put up better than a seventeen
Speaker 2: WRC plus against left handed pitching. The answer that's yes,
Speaker 2: And I feel like a lot of people will answer
Speaker 2: that question with yes, might be worth it. Mariners are
Speaker 2: in first place. I know it's a tough thing to
Speaker 2: swallow the money. I know it's a tough thing to
Speaker 2: let go of a fan favorite, But I'm just looking
Speaker 2: at the way cade Marlow's starting to play and the
Speaker 2: fact that we know he is a fine outfielder, and
Speaker 2: say just feels like he provides a little more value
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: I think he's more valuable point too, But I think
Speaker 1: that just kind of gets still overall, just gets away
Speaker 1: from the question like how do Mariners operate organizationally? They're
Speaker 1: not going to call up Caid Marlow so he can
Speaker 1: hit lefties, so and I gain and ultimately that's what
Speaker 1: the that's what the question is searching for. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: kid Marlow would make the Mariners better. That is a
Speaker 1: correct answer. He would make the Mariners better than what
Speaker 1: Mitch Haniger is currently putting up in the same position
Speaker 1: right now. That is correct, But it's not a in
Speaker 1: terms of answering finding a guy to hit against lefties
Speaker 1: currently in the organization that currently does not exist.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I agree with that. But if it's more
Speaker 2: of a broad question of Hannager on the roster versus Marlow,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think Marlow might do a lot for
Speaker 2: this team, ear least right A lot might be a
Speaker 2: strong word, but be a be a positive contributor or.
Speaker 1: I mean, essentially, he could just be a replacement level
Speaker 1: player and be more valuable than Mitch like zero war.
Speaker 2: That's all you need, sure exactly. Okay, let's get to
Speaker 2: our second question here. This is on YouTube from Daniel Fleming,
Speaker 2: and he says, if you could add any concession stand
Speaker 2: at T Mobile Park, what would it be and why?
Speaker 1: I have an answer for you ready, mm hmm, Skyline
Speaker 1: Chili because it's the greatest food on planet Earth, and
Speaker 1: we need the heart of the Midwest inserted into T
Speaker 1: Mobile Park.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Park is really missing is average to crappy chili doused
Speaker 1: in cheese, you put over spaghetti, hot dogs, whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to put it on. That's what Tmobile Park
Speaker 1: is really missing mid West values.
Speaker 2: Baby dude, Skyland Chili is not food. Skyline Chili is
Speaker 2: not food.
Speaker 1: Dog food more like it. I'm actually kidding. That's not
Speaker 1: what I would have put in there. I actually went
Speaker 1: significantly higher quality stuff. Now, I'm not going to some
Speaker 1: top tier restaurants saying they should put that in T
Speaker 1: Mobile Park because because you know, that's not what the
Speaker 1: average fan can do. Have you seen these Italian ficacia sandwiches?
Speaker 1: Have you seen them? He's looking around on some videos.
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 1: No. Okay, well they are like Florentine, AKA, they're from Florence.
Speaker 1: I think that's where they originated from. If I'm not
Speaker 1: in your Italian. You could please leave a comment and
Speaker 1: tell me I'm an idiot, and that's okay. But they've
Speaker 1: opened a few of these in New York, one of
Speaker 1: the great food cities we have in this country, and
Speaker 1: they have these sandwiches all over Italy, but they made
Speaker 1: their way here to America, so now most Americans who
Speaker 1: don't travel internationally can have them. And they have these
Speaker 1: focacious sandwiches that are just first of all massive, and
Speaker 1: they're packed at tim O Park. Would probably cost twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars, but if you're curious, you can look up
Speaker 1: this place. It's called I'll try and pronounce this correctly
Speaker 1: all antiko v v I n aio. I'm not not
Speaker 1: gonna try and pronounce the eli to spell it out
Speaker 1: a l l apostrophe A n t I co o
Speaker 1: space v I n a io. And now my Italian
Speaker 1: ancestors are rolling over in their graves and that's totally fine.
Speaker 1: But the sandwiches are insane. They look really good for
Speaker 1: Katcha is amazing and I think it would be a
Speaker 1: very authentic thing to add to t Mobile Park. I
Speaker 1: think it would be a lot of fun. And now
Speaker 1: that they're a chain, it works out so hey for.
Speaker 2: People say that that, that'll say that's a crazy idea.
Speaker 2: There's didn't type fung at T Mobile Park. So people
Speaker 2: can get bougie and Seattle with their food options at
Speaker 2: T Mobile Park. You want to, you want to have
Speaker 2: something like crazy Italian sandwiches, why not?
Speaker 1: It's like there's crab in the outfield. You can you
Speaker 1: can get Moto Pizza, which is already high quality pizza upstairs.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're not high quality apps. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the real Moto pizza is really good like it is.
Speaker 1: It is specialty pizza. And I think a Facaca sandwich
Speaker 1: is on the level as specialty pizza. I think it's
Speaker 1: the same, same idea, same le level of food.
Speaker 2: All Right, I went a little more simple with my answers.
Speaker 2: If there's gonna be pizza the ballpark, I said, Joe's Pizza,
Speaker 2: another New York City staple. It is amazing. It needs
Speaker 2: to make its way out, its way out west. It
Speaker 2: needs to make its way to Tmobile Park. Other than that,
Speaker 2: I just picked two chains that Seattle doesn't have but
Speaker 2: desperately needs. Raisin Canes, which is coming to Seattle here
Speaker 2: soon enough. I can't wait. And then in and Out.
Speaker 1: That'll be good. Those would be the first locations in
Speaker 1: a ballpark for those foods.
Speaker 2: That'll be fun.
Speaker 1: I get I get behind that. So I thought about Joe's.
Speaker 1: I did think about it, which is the best pizza
Speaker 1: I've had. However, Teamobile Park already has Ballard Pizza in
Speaker 1: the park, which is the exact same thing, not the
Speaker 1: same quality. And remember when you bring a pizza chain
Speaker 1: into a ballpark, or any food into a ballpark, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be as good. So with the exact same
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, I don't know if there like resonate,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not the right way, but there would already
Speaker 1: be something almost exactly like it. And how however, there
Speaker 1: won't be something exactly like raising canes, and there won't
Speaker 1: be something like in and Out there, So that I'm behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, sign me up. Listen, vallad pizza is fine,
Speaker 2: but nothing's Joe's pizza. If we even get seventy five
Speaker 2: percent of Joe's pizza, Team Mobile Park, sign me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, I'm in for that. Let's get to the
Speaker 1: next question. This is on YouTube from at the Connor
Speaker 1: Joe Trade and he says aside from the obvious sellers
Speaker 1: White Sox, Marlins, et cetera. Who are the most two
Speaker 1: most intriguing sellers from each league? And who's your number
Speaker 1: one trade target from.
Speaker 2: Each So I tried to branch out a little bit
Speaker 2: with this because because the question states aside from the
Speaker 2: obvious team, so not the A's, not the White Sox,
Speaker 2: not the Marlins, teams like that. I'll start with the AL.
Speaker 2: I said, blue Jays and Ray's for the Al or sorry,
Speaker 2: I thought about the Blue Jays and Rays. I kept
Speaker 2: the Rays and said Brandon Lao, who we've talked about,
Speaker 2: that would be a fit. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Rental bat second base WRC plus is close to one
Speaker 2: point thirty hits the ball hard. That makes too much
Speaker 2: sense for the Mariners if they're going to need a
Speaker 2: second basement. The other one, I will admit this one's
Speaker 2: a little bit of a pipe dream. But with the
Speaker 2: Rangers being out of it or not out of it,
Speaker 2: but they're not playing well, they're under five hundred, they're
Speaker 2: still seven back in the division if they keep losing,
Speaker 2: and they got to the point of the deadline where
Speaker 2: they actually thought about doing some selling, like again, I'll
Speaker 2: say this as a pipe dream idea, but Nathaniel low
Speaker 2: would be a pretty sick addition. So if I'm just
Speaker 2: talking about good fits for the Mariners first baseman two
Speaker 2: and a half years of control, it's like a one
Speaker 2: to ten WRC plus hitter walks a decent amount, doesn't
Speaker 2: strike out a ton. Would love to get that guy
Speaker 2: in Seattle. Now, again it's probably a pipe dream, but
Speaker 2: would love to see Nathaniel Lowe.
Speaker 1: Now, this question was tricky because when He's says, aside
Speaker 1: from the obvious sellers, the problem is there are so
Speaker 1: few sellers in major true sellers in Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: because of the third wild card. So note, just because
Speaker 1: we are picking these teams as sellers does not mean
Speaker 1: these teams will sell because most of these teams are
Speaker 1: within five games of the wild card or less right now,
Speaker 1: which for some teams is very doable.
Speaker 2: So let me say this too. One, I agree with you. Two,
Speaker 2: I did my al guys. Give your al guys, then
Speaker 2: we can do the n all guys after.
Speaker 1: So my al guys, I did choose the Blue Jays
Speaker 1: because I think they can have the most impact of
Speaker 1: any team on this deadline. If they're selling, they can buy.
Speaker 1: They can swing Pennant races with the pieces they have
Speaker 1: available to them with whoever they decide to trade with.
Speaker 1: And for the Blue Jays, I think Vlatti was too
Speaker 1: obvious and it again just doesn't really sound like he's
Speaker 1: gonna get traded. So I'm gonna choose the guy I've
Speaker 1: been hammering for a while and I think would make
Speaker 1: the Mariners better, and that's Danny Jansen. I think they
Speaker 1: need a cat You think they need another catcher. I
Speaker 1: really think they And then the other team I chose
Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers. They might sell, they might not. They
Speaker 1: have a couple of intriguing options. Jack Flaherty's on a rental,
Speaker 1: will be a rental if you trade for him. The
Speaker 1: Mariners don't need starters, though, but they do have Mark Canna,
Speaker 1: who if you want someone that would be a soft
Speaker 1: buy what we were talking about last week or sorry,
Speaker 1: earlier this week, soft buying and improving in an outfield spot.
Speaker 1: Instead of having Mitchanagher, you have Marcanna instead, and you
Speaker 1: upgrade quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when I was looking at the Blue Jays,
Speaker 2: I thought about the idea of Justin Turner even though
Speaker 2: he's thirty nine years old. I thought to myself could
Speaker 2: play the corner infield DH if you need him to.
Speaker 2: Has been a great bat over the majority of his career.
Speaker 2: But then I dug into some of the peripherals and
Speaker 2: he is in the first percentile of bat speed. So
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, that's probably not a great fit,
Speaker 2: which is why I ended up pivoting somewhere else. So
Speaker 2: thought about it, didn't go through with the idea National League.
Speaker 2: I said, Giants and Diamondbacks again, will these two teams sell?
Speaker 2: We don't know. The NL wild card is so up
Speaker 2: in the air, but if they do, my two guys
Speaker 2: on the list are two players we've talked about, Lamont
Speaker 2: Wade Christian Walker. Christian Walker would be a great, great,
Speaker 2: great addition for this team at the deadline. Should have
Speaker 2: been an all star power bat one thirty three WRC
Speaker 2: plus hitter ops is eight forty Reynal wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: give up a ton and you could roll with Tyler
Speaker 2: Lockler in twenty twenty five if you don't re sign
Speaker 2: Walker in the offseason. So I said Walker for the Diamondbacks,
Speaker 2: and I said Lamont Wade for the Giants. Who we've
Speaker 2: talked about, is sort of a platoon bat. But you
Speaker 2: know what, when you're WRC plusing neither nearly one sixty
Speaker 2: and you're walking almost twenty percent of the time, I'm interested.
Speaker 1: I had the Diamondbacks as well, and I chose the
Speaker 1: Cubs and said, although the Cubs this news came out
Speaker 1: right before we hit record with Cody Bellinger going on
Speaker 1: the IL, because that would have been my most intriguing target.
Speaker 1: I know you're not a huge Cody Bellinger guy, but
Speaker 1: I think he could have had some sort of value
Speaker 1: if you acquire him at the deadline. Who knows if
Speaker 1: he's going to be back and playing by the time
Speaker 1: the deadline rolls around, which will eight impact his value.
Speaker 1: B could incline him no matter what now to pick
Speaker 1: up his player option next year, which is twenty seven
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars. So I'll keep the Cubs
Speaker 1: with the Diamondbacks though outside of the Blue Jays, their
Speaker 1: pieces if they decide to sell, can impact that. It
Speaker 1: can swing a Pennant race if they want, like Christian
Speaker 1: Walker's that could. We talked about Randall Gritchick. He is
Speaker 1: in terms of a soft buy. He would make a
Speaker 1: massive impact if you put him in the outfield as
Speaker 1: a right handed bat. For how he's hit this season.
Speaker 1: Paul Seawall's also an option as well. So those are
Speaker 1: I think those are two pretty good ones right there,
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks Cubs. There's a lot of teams you could choose
Speaker 1: the National League because they're all bunched right together.
Speaker 2: I agree, and that National League wildcard race is going
Speaker 2: to have some impact here. In the next few weeks.
Speaker 2: We will start to see some teams fall out of
Speaker 2: it a little bit more. We've already seen it a
Speaker 2: little bit. I know the Cubs are technically about three
Speaker 2: and a half back now, but Bellinger got they're still
Speaker 2: way under five hundred. Some of these teams will sell
Speaker 2: because some of these teams will look at their roster
Speaker 2: and say, we are not quite a playoff team, and
Speaker 2: because of that, they'll be willing to ship some pieces away.
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Speaker 1: next mail bag question. This comes from Ellen Rhodes on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and her question is unpopular opinion. Munos has had too
Speaker 1: many walks, have seen a lot of blown saves from
Speaker 1: him dot dot dot so is Andres Muno's walking too
Speaker 1: many batters?
Speaker 2: I think the blown saves thing might be a little
Speaker 2: bit out of proportion. But sure, if you're watching Andres
Speaker 2: Munos and saying I would like to see him be
Speaker 2: more in the strike zone, that is a fair take.
Speaker 2: Andres Muno's had a really really good command back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and since then it's gone downhill. Now,
Speaker 2: that doesn't change the fact that he is. That doesn't
Speaker 2: change the fact in saying that he's not one of
Speaker 2: the game's elite relievers, because he is. But if you
Speaker 2: would like, if you're saying I would like to see
Speaker 2: one of the game's best relievers also throw a few
Speaker 2: more strikes, Yeah, that's a fair take, because Andres Mugnoz
Speaker 2: also throwing more strikes would only do that much more
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 1: You know, At this point, I view his twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two command as an outlier because the rest of his
Speaker 1: career he's been about a ten percent walk guy, about
Speaker 1: ten percent and that's not horrible. That's only the forty
Speaker 1: fifth most in terms of percentage among all relievers. For example,
Speaker 1: the leader in walks most walks his worldest Chapman, is
Speaker 1: over twenty percent. So he's not the worst. He's almost
Speaker 1: middle of the packs the wrong term. But you know
Speaker 1: it's fine. I don't think it's the end of the
Speaker 1: world when you have stuff that moves like his does.
Speaker 1: Remember his sinker moves drastically armside. It's sometimes hard to
Speaker 1: get that pitch in the strike zone. And if you
Speaker 1: compare that to his twenty twenty two season, where he
Speaker 1: only had to really worry about two pitches one his
Speaker 1: slider breaks the same direction every time, and his fastball
Speaker 1: was straight, so he didn't really have to worry about
Speaker 1: his pitch moving too much out of the strike zone.
Speaker 1: If Andre s Munoz tries to paint inside corner to
Speaker 1: Ariety's now with the sinker, that pitch could just take
Speaker 1: off and run inside way more and it'll be a
Speaker 1: ball no matter what. So you know, it's just a
Speaker 1: little bit more difficult for him. Now his pitches move more.
Speaker 1: And if your pitches move more, and more likely than not,
Speaker 1: you will struggle to throw strikes at times that's normal
Speaker 1: for a reliever. I don't really think it's the end
Speaker 1: of the world, because ultimately he's also still striking out
Speaker 1: over thirty percent of the batters he faces, And as
Speaker 1: long as there's enough separation between your walk rate and
Speaker 1: your strikeout rate, I think you'll be Okay.
Speaker 2: No, it's not the end of the world. And to
Speaker 2: that point and to your logic, it's the same thing
Speaker 2: with Matt Brash when he's healthy. His stuff is so
Speaker 2: ridiculous that he's probably never gonna be an elite command
Speaker 2: guy because his stuff just moves too much to sometimes
Speaker 2: have real real command over his pitches. Like like those
Speaker 2: those Matt Brash sliders have a mind of their own.
Speaker 2: You can't always know where it's going because they break
Speaker 2: too much. So yeah, with the Munyo sinkers in his
Speaker 2: new arsenal now, because it's different than what it was
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, he may end up having stuff
Speaker 2: that moves so much that he just doesn't always command
Speaker 2: the zone as much. But I will say, if you
Speaker 2: want to get him throwing a few more strikes again,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a crazy opinion. Like, for example,
Speaker 2: right now, he's in the eighteenth percentile major League Baseball
Speaker 2: in walk rate. He doesn't have to be in the
Speaker 2: eightieth percentile the way he was in twenty two, but
Speaker 2: maybe around league average, maybe in the fiftieth percentile something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: But that number compares him to starters too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for relievers he's more middle of the pack.
Speaker 2: But again, it like just a little bit more. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying he's gonna be George Kirby with his command.
Speaker 2: He's not. But if if you are a person again
Speaker 2: I'm not that concerned about it, and you're not that
Speaker 2: concerned about it, I'm just playing the side of If
Speaker 2: you are a person that says I would like to
Speaker 2: see Munnos throw a few more strikes, I will say, okay,
Speaker 2: like that is not the hottest take in the world.
Speaker 2: That is, like you have a fair, fair backing point
Speaker 2: with real data to say, okay, I'd like to see
Speaker 2: him throw a few more strikes is at the end
Speaker 2: of the world. Now, I'm just saying it's not the
Speaker 2: hottest take in the world.
Speaker 1: So what at his best will get him down from
Speaker 1: eleven percent to eight percent? That'll be good.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, sure, Yeah, that'd be great. All right, next question.
Speaker 2: This is from Cardi Rave, also on Instagram. He says,
Speaker 2: which prospect would you be most sad to see leave
Speaker 2: via trade?
Speaker 1: My answer is Colt Emerson. There have been people talking
Speaker 1: about that he could eventually be named the number one
Speaker 1: prospect in all of baseball. He is immense upside, He
Speaker 1: plays a premium position, and ultimately, when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Mariners farm system, he is farther along than felnin
Speaker 1: Selston is, which is the only player in the farm
Speaker 1: system talent wise, he compares too. So that's why my
Speaker 1: answer would be that because you'd see Colt Emerson a
Speaker 1: year before you'd see Felning.
Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy that, while it's not fair to do
Speaker 2: the Corey Seeger comp for Colt Emerson, the fact we've
Speaker 2: heard people say that number one. And then there's the
Speaker 2: similarities of Corey Seger was picked in the twenties, left
Speaker 2: handed high school bat, shot his way through the Miners,
Speaker 2: jumped up the prospect rankings, and was a top three
Speaker 2: prospect when he debuted. Kind of feels like Colt Emerson
Speaker 2: has a chance to do the exact same thing, and
Speaker 2: that's wild. I can't promise any I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: can promise he's gonna be Corey Seeger, and to put
Speaker 2: those expectations on him just isn't fair. But the fact
Speaker 2: there's people out there saying, yeah, Colt Emerson could be
Speaker 2: the number one prospect in baseball here soon enough is
Speaker 2: crazy and Marion's fan should be fired up about it.
Speaker 2: I actually pick Fellnan Celestine as my number one now,
Speaker 2: Cole Emerson was a very very close second. But I
Speaker 2: feel like Felnan's got a chance to be a number
Speaker 2: one prospect in baseball at some point too. And the
Speaker 2: fact he's got a nine to eighty four OPS in
Speaker 2: the Complex League right now. I know it's the Complex League,
Speaker 2: but we're seeing our first glimpse of Felnan seleistin Stateside
Speaker 2: this year and what he can do. And I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there watching and saying, wow. So we married have two
Speaker 2: guys who I don't want to see them go anywhere
Speaker 2: with They better stay in this system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can both stay. That's fine, that's fine. We
Speaker 1: covered the basic We used this segment to say, please
Speaker 1: don't trade those players. Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, yep.
Speaker 1: There. The next question comes from Asher underscore Aver, butch
Speaker 1: On Instagram, And this question is, who's one current player
Speaker 1: you would love to have on the one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixteen win two thousand and one Marinner team.
Speaker 2: We just talked about him, but can I say Andre's
Speaker 2: Munno's You're gonna look at that one roster. It was
Speaker 2: really good. It wasn't perfect if you go down position
Speaker 2: by position, but number one, there weren't a lot a
Speaker 2: lot of relievers that were throwing the way Munyos was
Speaker 2: thrown back then, there might not have been any, to
Speaker 2: be totally honest with you. And when you look at
Speaker 2: the Mariners bullpen, Kaziro Susaki was phenomenal, Arthur Rhodes was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: But if you had a true, true dynamite closer ahead
Speaker 2: of those two to form a three headed monster that year,
Speaker 2: I would do a lot that shortens games the six innings.
Speaker 2: And when you already have guys in your rotation like
Speaker 2: Freddy Garcia, like Aaron Seeley, like Jamie Moyer who can
Speaker 2: easily go six strong, give it right off to the
Speaker 2: bullpen after that.
Speaker 1: Munyos was my pick too. I mean, he would be
Speaker 1: talked about in lore if he pitched on that team
Speaker 1: with the stuff he currently has. It's like the one
Speaker 1: player in base baseball who throws one hundred and three
Speaker 1: miles an hour. Back then the one guy right out
Speaker 1: of the bullpen, he's got this insane slider and all
Speaker 1: this stuff like that, that would be pretty insane. I
Speaker 1: think that's the easy one. I think if we saw
Speaker 1: this year Brash, you could make a case for him too,
Speaker 1: just because I mean legitimately they would talk about him
Speaker 1: in the history books. It's like, could you remember seeing
Speaker 1: this guy? He was absolutely insane? Right? And then my other,
Speaker 1: my last honorable mention, if you wanted a little bit
Speaker 1: more upside in the rotation, I know the rotation was insane.
Speaker 1: It was the best in baseball. All five guys made
Speaker 1: every single start that season, which is insane, and they,
Speaker 1: like legitimately didn't have to worry about the rotation at all.
Speaker 1: But I think that rotation if they added a current
Speaker 1: day Logan Gilbert, would they wouldn't complain about that because
Speaker 1: that dude has unbelievable stuff that outside of a select
Speaker 1: few guys just wasn't a thing in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine Logan Gilbert pitching at the top of that
Speaker 2: rotation with Freddy Garcia. Then you have Aaron Seey and
Speaker 2: Jamie Moore behind him. A lot of teams use four
Speaker 2: starters in the playoffs. Now, man, imagine if the Mariners
Speaker 2: had that luxury back then. And you talk about Munno's
Speaker 2: being discussed in lore logan, it might be too. You're
Speaker 2: talking about a dude who's six y six, has insane
Speaker 2: extension and gets right on top of you. He throws
Speaker 2: ninety nine. He's got six pitches in his arsenal. That
Speaker 2: wasn't a thing back then.
Speaker 1: Nope, that would be a lot of fun. Maybe it
Speaker 1: would have beat the Yankees, wouldn't be so traumatized.
Speaker 2: Stupid Derek Jeter flip. The marriage should have gotten to
Speaker 2: play the A's that year, And if the marriage had
Speaker 2: played the A's, they would have beat him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, won the world.
Speaker 2: Also, that diamond vaccine was pretty good with Randy and
Speaker 2: Kurt Schilling. Like I I won't say for sure, but
Speaker 2: better chance, that's for sure. Also, shout out my friend
Speaker 2: Alex when you were talking about Matt Brash, how you
Speaker 2: said Brash would have been talked about in the lore.
Speaker 2: He put out a tweet last year on Opening Night
Speaker 2: that kind of blew up, and I think it was hilarious.
Speaker 2: He tweeted that video of Matt Brash striking out Jose
Speaker 2: Ramirez when Ramirez fell on his backside, and my friend
Speaker 2: Alex captioned it with if Matt Brash threw a baseball
Speaker 2: in February of sixteen ninety two, he'd be burned at
Speaker 2: the stake, Which, well, is there a point there? Maybe? Probably,
Speaker 2: like yeah, but yeah, that's a fun question that that
Speaker 2: O one team. It's fun to reminisce on. But I'd
Speaker 2: also like to see a current version of the Mariners
Speaker 2: do something like the one team. That would be that'd
Speaker 2: be awesome nice, you know, yeah, exactly. Okay, next question,
Speaker 2: we have two more to go. This is from bd
Speaker 2: N five point fifty five forty on Instagram. He says,
Speaker 2: since Jerry's contract hasn't been extended, will the ms be
Speaker 2: more aggressive at the deadline.
Speaker 1: I think the MS should be aggressive at the deadline
Speaker 1: no matter what Jerry Depoto's contract status is. And I
Speaker 1: don't think just because of what Jerry Depoto's contract status is,
Speaker 1: they will be more aggressive. If this was a real thing,
Speaker 1: if this what would actually happen and Jerry didn't believe
Speaker 1: he would be part of the Mariners next year, he
Speaker 1: would trade Cole Emerson or Feloning Selston or both an
Speaker 1: attempt to massively upgrade the roster. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Therefore, I don't think, because he has
Speaker 1: doesn't have a contract yet that we know of, that
Speaker 1: he's gonna trade those guys. That would be more of
Speaker 1: a Jacksie thing. That would be more of a more
Speaker 1: of a different incumbent President of Baseball Operations move opposed
Speaker 1: to what Jerry Depoto will do. Ultimately, we'll see, but
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they should be aggressive,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is, because frankly, the Mariner us,
Speaker 1: as Mariners fans, deserve an aggressive deadline in a push
Speaker 1: to the playoffs because you and I know what happens
Speaker 1: if they don't make it.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I think they should be aggressive. I think
Speaker 2: they should go out and get some real pieces. But
Speaker 2: Jerry Depoto is also not AJ Preller, and Jerry Depoto
Speaker 2: will never do what Aj Preller does. That's not his style.
Speaker 2: It's not a sustainable style. And with the Mariners knowing
Speaker 2: they are a franchise that doesn't have unlimited payroll. There
Speaker 2: are other ways they have to build a great team,
Speaker 2: and part of that is through the draft, through international signing,
Speaker 2: and having good farm system. So because Jerry understands that,
Speaker 2: and he very well does. Like if the two of
Speaker 2: us understand it, we know Jerry Depoto and Justin Holland
Speaker 2: are understand it. That contract or not, They're not just
Speaker 2: gonna ship all these guys out of town for two
Speaker 2: months to have a potential run. They're just not gonna
Speaker 2: do it. So I don't think Jerry to Poto is
Speaker 2: gonna do that. I think the Mariners should be aggressive
Speaker 2: like you. I don't think they're gonna be irresponsible. But
Speaker 2: to the point of the contract that being said, like
Speaker 2: the Marriagers need to get this done. I know they've
Speaker 2: gotten it done in September a lot of years, but
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're waiting for. Like, I know,
Speaker 2: not everybody out there loves Jerry Depoto. I would challenge
Speaker 2: anybody who doesn't to tell me who you feel comfortable like,
Speaker 2: who you'd want to see get brought in instead, And
Speaker 2: do you trust the group that would be responsible for
Speaker 2: hiring the new president of Baseball Operations and the entire
Speaker 2: staff to do a successful job with a new hire.
Speaker 2: I think Jerry to Poto has done a lot for
Speaker 2: this organization. I think they're heading in a good direction.
Speaker 2: I think they have a window that's gonna stay opened
Speaker 2: for a while with all these prospects and all the
Speaker 2: bats they have coming. So I hope they get this
Speaker 2: contract done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I still again hope they're aggressive at this
Speaker 1: deadline because they need this roster needs it. It needs it,
Speaker 1: contract or not. The final mailbag question we have is
Speaker 1: from Mica B. Millard on Instagram, and his question is
Speaker 1: make a convincing case for Felix Hernandez to be inducted
Speaker 1: into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: So you can make a case. I don't think Felix
Speaker 2: is gonna end up getting in. I just don't know
Speaker 2: if he quite sustained dominance for long enough to do it.
Speaker 2: But if you do want to make a case, most
Speaker 2: fifty War pitchers seem to get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: More often than not that happens. Felix was a couple
Speaker 2: percentages shy of fifty wins above replacement for his career.
Speaker 2: Here's an example. Jim Cat of the Twins, he pitched
Speaker 2: through the sixties, the seventies, tiny bit into the eighties.
Speaker 2: He pitched for twenty five years. He threw a lot
Speaker 2: more innings and pitched for a lot longer than Felix did.
Speaker 2: Yet the two had nearly the same career war Felix
Speaker 2: has the lower career er. Felix has a cy Young
Speaker 2: where Jim Kat doesn't. Felix also has six top ten
Speaker 2: cy Young finishes. Kat had two. So if you want
Speaker 2: to compare Felix, Ornandez to some other guys that are
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, you can do it, and
Speaker 2: there are cases, but it's still gonna be a tough case.
Speaker 1: The difference is now that Felix will get hurt because
Speaker 1: he didn't pitch enough. I would say back in the day,
Speaker 1: they were back in the day. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: go back into the nineteen hundreds anytime there when guys
Speaker 1: were getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. I think
Speaker 1: the bar was a little bit lower to make it
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. There are some players in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame who were in fact average players.
Speaker 1: So if you go off of that theory, sure, But
Speaker 1: modern day we have a lot of statistics available to
Speaker 1: and the process to get into the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: is evolving that it just is less likely. Based on
Speaker 1: the volume that Felix has pitched, it is less likely.
Speaker 1: There's a few stats you could cherry pick and make
Speaker 1: a case for Felix. For example, he has more strikeouts
Speaker 1: than a notable modern Hall of Famer, Roy Halliday. He's
Speaker 1: got morek's than he does. He's got more k's than
Speaker 1: my namesake in the Hall of Fame, Christy Mathewson, pitched
Speaker 1: in a different era. However, he has got more strikeouts
Speaker 1: than him. It's more strikeouts than Jim Morris and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other Hall of Famers. How about a true
Speaker 1: modern example. These guys have been compared quite a lot
Speaker 1: when they were pitching. He has pitched more innings than
Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw. Do you know that Clayton Kershaw's a slam
Speaker 1: down Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: That's actually kind of crazy. More innings than Kershaw.
Speaker 1: Now, Kershaw's the better pitcher, no doubt. He's got four
Speaker 1: Cy Young's, He's got an MVP. I wouldn't argue that
Speaker 1: for a second. Clayton Kershaw will go down as one
Speaker 1: of the three greatest left here at handing pa of
Speaker 1: all time. He's insane. But if we're talking about volume,
Speaker 1: I mean Kershaw's getting in without much of an issue.
Speaker 2: Henna.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get in the high nineties of votes when
Speaker 1: he gets on the ballot when he eventually retires, and
Speaker 1: he'll retire soon. He could retire with lessonings in Felix,
Speaker 1: but Felix has pitched more innings than him. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not, how about a higher Here's a niche stat.
Speaker 1: It's called adjusted war seven. So war seven takes your
Speaker 1: seven best, your best seven year stretch of war and
Speaker 1: accumulates it together into one number. That stat is helped
Speaker 1: use to calculate jaws, which Jay Jaffy came up with,
Speaker 1: where you add a player's career war his War seven,
Speaker 1: you add him together, and you divide him by two,
Speaker 1: so you can measure how much better was this player
Speaker 1: outside of their peak seven years. And it helps, I'd say,
Speaker 1: raise the bar for guys who had an amazing seven
Speaker 1: years and lowers the bar for guys who had great
Speaker 1: long career but weren't as good at their peaks. So
Speaker 1: that's what that number does. So adjusted war seven accounts.
Speaker 1: It tries to adjust the pitchers used to throw three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty innings. It essentially caps your season for
Speaker 1: the old guys at two hundred and fifty innings and
Speaker 1: makes it more favorable for modern pitchers who don't throw
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty innings. Here are some guys who
Speaker 1: Felix has a higher adjusted WAR seven where he ranks
Speaker 1: sixty fifth after adjusting for some of these inning counts.
Speaker 1: By the way, sixty fifth all time, and there are
Speaker 1: sixty six pitchers in the Hall of Fame? Might I
Speaker 1: know sixty six and Felix on this list is sixty fifth.
Speaker 1: Do you think care col is gonna.
Speaker 2: Be Hall of Famer?
Speaker 1: He's running that way, he's trunning in that way. Well,
Speaker 1: Felix has a higher adjusted WAR seven than he does.
Speaker 1: That's one thing to note. He's got a higher adjusted
Speaker 1: WAR seven. Then you might have heard of this guy,
Speaker 1: Nolan Ryan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy was half decent, and there's.
Speaker 1: Plenty of other Hall of famers. Felix has a higher
Speaker 1: adjusted WAR seven then, so it's not impossible to make
Speaker 1: a case for Felix.
Speaker 2: It's not.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a slam known case. He probably
Speaker 1: could have used three to four more peak Felix seasons
Speaker 1: or close to peak Felix seasons, then he would have
Speaker 1: an almost certain case for the Hall of Fame. The
Speaker 1: problem is Felix spent a few years in the middle
Speaker 1: and then a couple of really bad seasons at the end,
Speaker 1: which left a sour taste in many of our mouths
Speaker 1: in terms of how he's getting in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: But it's not impossible. You know, there's only twenty eight
Speaker 1: guys who have appeared in as many or more of
Speaker 1: the top five in cy Young voting appearances. It's it
Speaker 1: that something.
Speaker 2: It's really good. Yeah. I mean, if you want to
Speaker 2: just use the Harold Bains meter, Felix is getting in.
Speaker 2: I've seen people on Twitter talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2: When any player passes the Harold Bains meter, meaning you
Speaker 2: surpass thirty eight point eight career wins above replacement aka
Speaker 2: war like, people will be like he passed the Baines meter.
Speaker 2: He passed the Harold Bains meter because Harold Bains got
Speaker 2: in with less than forty wins above replacement for his career.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people feel like Harold Bains
Speaker 2: probably wasn't a Hall of Fame caliber player. But if
Speaker 2: you want to use that for Felix, you can. Harold
Speaker 2: Bains played twenty two years, Felix played fifteen. And when
Speaker 2: you look at Felix's peak, even though he probably could
Speaker 2: have used more of a ten year stretch of dominance,
Speaker 2: that seven year stretch of dominance he had from nine
Speaker 2: to twenty fifteen, he was one of the game's best.
Speaker 2: He was in the top three to four pitchers in
Speaker 2: baseball year after year. It's right up there with Kershaw.
Speaker 2: He was right up there with others. And the fact
Speaker 2: he has six top ten cy Young finishes says a lot.
Speaker 2: I do wonder if his case would be elevated had
Speaker 2: the voters actually gotten it right in twenty fourteen and
Speaker 2: given him that Cy Young over Corey Klueber. If you
Speaker 2: had that second Sy Young right now, you think people
Speaker 2: look at him different.
Speaker 1: With hell because that list is pretty exclusive. Is less
Speaker 1: than ten? Right, less than ten guys have won multiple.
Speaker 2: Well, and yeah, and Blake Snell's one of them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, which which makes it a really interesting Well,
Speaker 1: Blake Snell's not a Hall of Famer, but which is
Speaker 1: why it's a really interesting list, because there are Corey
Speaker 1: Klueber's not a Hall of Famer, but he's won multiple
Speaker 1: Cy Young's and was one of the best pictures of
Speaker 1: his decade. He unfortunately didn't have that length. Felix had
Speaker 1: more length than Corey Klueber did.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so there is a case. If you just
Speaker 2: heard the two of us dive into it and TJ
Speaker 2: really dove into it, there is a case. But I
Speaker 2: think both of us are in agreement here and saying
Speaker 2: it will be tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be tough for him. We hope he makes it.
Speaker 1: It'll be pretty cool. His speech would be pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I think Felix right now, lands in the
Speaker 1: Hall are very good.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Hey, if he gets in,
Speaker 2: are we going to Cooperstown?
Speaker 1: I'm down.
Speaker 2: I'm down fun, be finally fun.
Speaker 1: What was the last time you were there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been twice. I think the most recent time
Speaker 2: was in high school. I was.
Speaker 1: Ten. It's been a while. But are you down if
Speaker 1: he makes it, makes it, I'm.
Speaker 2: In yeah, trying yeah, same here, same here.
Speaker 1: All right, let's close out the show. Now, that was great,
Speaker 1: great mailbag questions as always, guys, We'll get to another
Speaker 1: mail bag in about a month, good, good range of questions.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a lot of fun. But let's
Speaker 1: close up the show now with speak your Mind, Speak.
Speaker 2: Your Mind Spot. That would be unwise. What is necessary
Speaker 2: is never unwise.
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Low? You know, I was talking to you last Friday
Speaker 2: when we got done hosting Brocken Salk and talking about
Speaker 2: how man I had been so fixated and so focused
Speaker 2: on preparing for that show and doing that show and
Speaker 2: making sure it went smoothly to really see much of
Speaker 2: what was coming in days past that, in weeks past that,
Speaker 2: and the second we got done with that show, I
Speaker 2: kind of had this realization. Once we were done with it,
Speaker 2: we felt good about it. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: it was a weight lifted off our chest because we
Speaker 2: were excited about it, but I think both of us
Speaker 2: were very, very, you know, detailed about wanting to get
Speaker 2: it right. So once that was over, I sat there
Speaker 2: and thought to myself, well, we're going to Dallas in
Speaker 2: a week for All Star Week, and now sitting here
Speaker 2: recording this podcast, it's a day till we leave. So
Speaker 2: I think that's what's mostly on my mind right now,
Speaker 2: is this is our second All Star week. It's our
Speaker 2: second and two years. It's also the first one we've
Speaker 2: traveled for, and I'm really really excited about it. I
Speaker 2: think we've got a lot of fun stuff in mind.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to do a lot while we're there.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I've been thinking about it basically since we
Speaker 2: ended hosting the show on Brock and Salt last week.
Speaker 2: That sitting here thinking about that. Yeah, I can't wait
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: And I can't blame us for doing that on brockn
Speaker 1: Salt because think about it, like in just Peel back
Speaker 1: the curtain for some of our listeners. In reality, it's
Speaker 1: an audition, is that that's what we were doing. We
Speaker 1: were auditioning to get more opportunities, cause you don't get
Speaker 1: you know, you don't always get opportunities like that. So
Speaker 1: if you do get it on commercial radio, on big
Speaker 1: market radio, you want to do well, like you really
Speaker 1: want to put all your effort into it. You want
Speaker 1: to sound right, even if you aren't. Of course, there
Speaker 1: are some some people in some of the clips we
Speaker 1: posted in the last couple of days who say we weren't,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's fine, that doesn't matter, but
Speaker 1: ultimately you want to spend all the energy possible to
Speaker 1: make sure an opportunity like that comes out again, and
Speaker 1: which I think it will, by the way, based on
Speaker 1: some of the feedback we've gotten. But anyways, so like
Speaker 1: it makes sense we spent all that time on that,
Speaker 1: but now you're right, we get the we get the
Speaker 1: sort of clearance of that, and now the opportunity to
Speaker 1: go to mull around in Dallas and meet some fans.
Speaker 1: Hopefully some of you will be out there in Dallas
Speaker 1: as well. That would be super awesome if we get
Speaker 1: to run into some of you and you know, network
Speaker 1: them on the content community and some of the more
Speaker 1: legacy media community. Some of the guys people we ran
Speaker 1: into at All Star Week last year in Seattle that
Speaker 1: we hope to also run into here in Dallas. I've
Speaker 1: never been to Dallas, so like checking off new cities.
Speaker 1: So that'll be a fun part of it as well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it should be a lot of fun. It'll
Speaker 1: be a little hot, which is fine, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a blast. I'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 1: We got some fun content ideas that I don't think
Speaker 1: we've done yet, which is nice. So we get to
Speaker 1: try some new things. I know people always like new
Speaker 1: things and new ideas, and we're hoping to uh hoping
Speaker 1: to use them, so it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: We'll try and we'll vlog the entire thing all be
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel. You guys can come along for
Speaker 1: the ride with us whenever we get to get around
Speaker 1: to posting those, So that should all be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun too, So I'm really looking forward to it
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were sitting brainstorming this week about what type
Speaker 2: of stuff we wanted to do at All Star Week,
Speaker 2: and I think the two of us put our heads
Speaker 2: together and thought us some ideas that, like you said,
Speaker 2: we haven't done yet, both for social media for YouTube blogs,
Speaker 2: and we think people are really gonna enjoy them. So
Speaker 2: hopefully you're keeping your eyes peeled on our social pages
Speaker 2: and our YouTube pages to see all that stuff. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think as long as we have the
Speaker 2: opportunity to do it, which we will since we're going
Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be really fun. And I think we're
Speaker 2: gonna connect with a lot of the people too that
Speaker 2: we've had on this podcast, even we haven't had on
Speaker 2: the podcast, that we've connected with in the past that
Speaker 2: you know are big in the content community or just
Speaker 2: in the baseball community. It's fun like a week. All
Speaker 2: Star Week is one of the two times of the
Speaker 2: year where the whole baseball world really comes together, and
Speaker 2: All Star Week even more so than the Winter Meetings.
Speaker 2: The Winter Meetings is the other time where you kind
Speaker 2: of have the whole whole baseball world together. But all
Speaker 2: Star Week there's so many people there. You have all
Speaker 2: the players that come into town, you have all the
Speaker 2: legacy media that comes in the town. You have all
Speaker 2: these content creators that come into town. You have all
Speaker 2: these celebrities that come into town. Like the opportunities at
Speaker 2: All Star Week to do a bunch of content, to
Speaker 2: meet a bunch of people, and really to have a
Speaker 2: bunch of fun. It's it's endless. So we're really excited
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: We'll get a celebri on the mic. Which celeb should
Speaker 1: we get?
Speaker 2: I hope? So Sidney Sweeney, why would she be at
Speaker 2: All Star Week? Why not?
Speaker 1: Is the real question.
Speaker 2: I think there's a better chance she would throw out
Speaker 2: a first pitch in the Mariner's game than being at
Speaker 2: All Star Week, because I'm pretty sure she's from Washington.
Speaker 1: That'll be good, So we'll get her on the mic then,
Speaker 1: But any other celebrities that decide to show up there,
Speaker 1: like do a lipa shows, whatever, getting on the mic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever you say. Listen if you want to talk
Speaker 2: about celebrities that could be content people like two guys
Speaker 2: we really like are the broadcast boys who have a
Speaker 2: huge channel, Like they're gonna be there. They're playing in
Speaker 2: the Celebrity Softball Game, so the potential to run into
Speaker 2: them would be really fun. But if you're thinking of
Speaker 2: real celebrities, well there are.
Speaker 1: Real celebrities in that that the Celebrity Softball Game too,
Speaker 1: like actors, no exactly, singers exactly.
Speaker 2: So who are we gonna see again? Like like you
Speaker 2: kind of don't know, And that's kind of how the
Speaker 2: fun of it. There's people we were already planning to
Speaker 2: meet up with, like to meet with and to meet
Speaker 2: up with, but there's also the unknown factor of who
Speaker 2: you might just run into and talk to and might
Speaker 2: get on the mic for some social media stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we're excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are excited. The other thing I have for
Speaker 1: speak your Mind. I just want to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to the people creating House of the Dragon. They
Speaker 1: have done a phenomenal job. Me as the one of
Speaker 1: the biggest Game of Throne snobs on this planet, who
Speaker 1: has watched the original series four times through, you know,
Speaker 1: it's when I do that, it's hard for a spinoff
Speaker 1: series to meet my expectations in the same realm. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they've done it. I'm not gonna spoil anything, but the
Speaker 1: last episode they did, episode four, halfway through their second season.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just phenomenal.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It is so good. Just the fact that you're able
Speaker 1: to consistently make good episodes after you messed up season
Speaker 1: eight of Game of Thrones just so bad, you just
Speaker 1: ruined it it And to come back make a spin
Speaker 1: off on a different storyline earlier in the timeline and
Speaker 1: make it really good with all the CGI and stuff
Speaker 1: with the dragons, it's just amazing. So I need to
Speaker 1: give them a shout out. They've done a phenomenal job
Speaker 1: and they've made my Sundays significantly better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be really good. And I've been watching too.
Speaker 2: I don't want to spoil anything either. But there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of TV series out there, movie series that
Speaker 2: make spin offs and just nail it. They have nailed it,
Speaker 2: and I hope it continues to be a really really
Speaker 2: good show because it seems like it's trending that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they got four seasons too, so you know
Speaker 1: they're gonna do a lot. I think they're filming another
Speaker 1: spin off right now, so as long as the same
Speaker 1: people keep directing it, I think it'll still be pretty good.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if they were to make a
Speaker 1: show without dragons in it how it would do. Because
Speaker 1: the lore of dragons make it. They just they make it.
Speaker 1: It makes it look a lot better. I'll say. The
Speaker 1: current like House of the Dragon, as you would imagine,
Speaker 1: has so many dragons, and it's so beautifully shot, and
Speaker 1: the graphics of how they create these things is just amazing.
Speaker 1: So to have a show without that would certainly be
Speaker 1: more interesting, So I'd see how they do it. I
Speaker 1: think the next spin off they're doing does not have
Speaker 1: dragons in it, so I'd be curious to see how
Speaker 1: they do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I'm sure I'll watch that one also
Speaker 2: whenever it comes out. But hopefully they've got a plan
Speaker 2: for it. Hopefully they've got some ways to keep people
Speaker 2: engaged and interested. I guess we'll see, Yeah, we will,
Speaker 2: all right. I think that just about wraps up this
Speaker 2: edition of the Marine Layer Podcast. One final reminder, episodes
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