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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and out podcasts? How are we doing? Friday?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? Thursday afternoon. You'll probably listening to this on Friday, Hopefully,

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, is we're gonna talk to Aaron

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Speaker 1: But I'm here, I'm ready to roll. Hopefully everyone's had

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm not proud, though I'm entertained by McAfee

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Speaker 1: once got this guy whatever pick twenty four back in

426
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five. He immediately became a first vowed

427
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and in the argument for a top

428
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Speaker 1: five quarterback of all time, probably I think most people

429
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Speaker 1: will probably put him somewhere like six to eight. But

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Speaker 1: that's what you got out of it for fifteen years.

431
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: So your return on investment you have got. You didn't

432
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Speaker 1: get a ten extra, you got one hundred excer. It

433
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Speaker 1: doesn't get any better a draft pick in the twenties

434
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Speaker 1: than Aaron Rodgers. That's as good as it gets. So

435
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: his contract makes it pretty complicated. He's kind of complicated

436
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Speaker 1: if ultimately you capitulate and give him for a second round,

437
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Speaker 1: because you just want to pivot. Even though if you

438
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Speaker 1: were listening to this you're a Diard fan. You know

439
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: the thing with the with the bonus, they can give

440
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Speaker 1: it any time up until September. Separate from that, Like,

441
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Speaker 1: if you just want to move on and just start

442
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Speaker 1: the offseason and just end this conversation, I don't think

443
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Speaker 1: it's that big a deal. And if you're the Jets,

444
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Speaker 1: if you like, I understand not wanting to give a

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Speaker 1: first round pick, which is for you this year of

446
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Speaker 1: pick thirteen, because you go this guy he just told

447
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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee two weeks ago that he went in the

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Speaker 1: Darkness Retreat ninety ten I'm gonna retire. So this is

449
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Speaker 1: a guy who's not only talked about retirement now for

450
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Speaker 1: a couple of years, just said he was ninety percent

451
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Speaker 1: going to retire this year. Now we talked to him,

452
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: we got a face to face. Maybe he told us,

453
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: but he just sure doesn't sound like he didn't even

454
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Speaker 1: commit to them that when they left his house, he's like,

455
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Speaker 1: just give me a week, let me see how I feel.

456
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: So it's not like, hey, guys, you trade for me minimum,

457
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Speaker 1: you got two years. The commitment is still kind of

458
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Speaker 1: loosey goosey. So if I'm going to invest a premium

459
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Speaker 1: pick and a lot of money into a guy, I

460
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: really don't get commitment. On the other side, it's great

461
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Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. He gets to go one year, goes well,

462
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Speaker 1: keep playing if it doesn't see you later. Well, if

463
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Speaker 1: I'm the Jets, i gotta give up pick thirteen for

464
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Speaker 1: a guy that I'm getting off your hands, who you

465
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Speaker 1: want to get rid of any way, and pivot to

466
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Speaker 1: this other quarterback, which is your prerogative. Obviously, he is

467
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Speaker 1: an all time great player and immediately gives me a

468
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Speaker 1: chance to compete in the playoffs. But there's no long

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Speaker 1: term commitment here. So when I trade a first round

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Speaker 1: pick for Tyree Hill or Davante Adams, or two first

471
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Speaker 1: round picks back in the day for Jalen Ramsey or

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Speaker 1: clil Mac, I'm signing they're gonna be on my team

473
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Speaker 1: for a while. Now. Obviously they're a risk, they could

474
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Speaker 1: get injured, they could not be as good. But still

475
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Speaker 1: I know for a long period of time, I'm getting

476
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Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna be able to play. I could

477
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Speaker 1: get seventeen games at Aaron Rodgers, and because the AFC

478
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Speaker 1: is tough, we missed the playoffs. He's just quick. I

479
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Speaker 1: just gave you pick thirteen. I could also argue, like, listen, man,

480
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Speaker 1: if you win a couple of playoff games and get

481
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Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship game. The pressure on Aaron to like,

482
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Speaker 1: is he really going to retire off that? Would that

483
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Speaker 1: alone be worth it? Probably? Is there a point in

484
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Speaker 1: time where you're just like, I just want to get

485
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Speaker 1: this guy now. I would have some demands like listen, Aaron,

486
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Speaker 1: we're just gonna pull this trigger. You're gonna be here

487
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Speaker 1: during OTAs. We want you working with these players. We

488
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Speaker 1: don't need three months in the offseason, but can you

489
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Speaker 1: get us like one month of just which are really

490
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Speaker 1: three days a week. It's like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. We

491
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Speaker 1: also act this is a Monday through Friday job. This

492
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Speaker 1: is three days a week and you're in the office

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Speaker 1: for like six seven hours. You can hang out in

494
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Speaker 1: New York, you can take your private jet to wherever

495
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Speaker 1: you want to go, fly across do whatever you want,

496
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Speaker 1: hit to Jupiter, Florida in the weekend. But can we

497
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Speaker 1: just get some of your time? Like there has to

498
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Speaker 1: be some give and take here. It's why when Tampa

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Speaker 1: signed Tom it was so easy. You knew you were

500
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Speaker 1: getting everything. You knew he didn't want to stop playing football.

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Speaker 1: You knew even during the VID and we had the dumbest,

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Speaker 1: fucking rules that have aged so poorly. He said, come

503
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Speaker 1: over to my house. Trained with the guys. They had

504
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Speaker 1: helicopters chasing him. The league was trying to find him.

505
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Speaker 1: That Tom, you got everything you had from Tom. When

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Speaker 1: the Broncos signed Peyton Mann, they got everything he had.

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Speaker 1: And that's that would make me nervous. I find the

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Speaker 1: Jets given that pick thirteen, that ultimately feels like they

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Speaker 1: end up capitulating to But listen, this is a complicated situation,

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Speaker 1: just like Aaron is a complicated individual. And if he

511
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Speaker 1: plays like an MVP, none of it matters. Simply, none

512
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Speaker 1: of it matters. You'll win twelve to fourteen games and

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Speaker 1: you'll compete for Super Bowl. But if he plays like

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516
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Speaker 1: you just gave pick thirteen, and then he's like, screw it,

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Speaker 1: I'm out. You're like, God, that wasn't quite worth it.

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Speaker 1: So I don't have a great feel for how this

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Speaker 1: I think listen. He is a fantastic personality for the league.

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Speaker 1: For a guy that hasn't been to an NFC Championship

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Speaker 1: game in two and a half decades, his mark on

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568
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,280
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Speaker 1: It's a big television show. It's basically you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not scripted, but it's reality television and Jerry is a

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Speaker 1: key character. Now. One downfall he has because they actually

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Speaker 1: have drafted pretty well over the last seven eight years,

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Speaker 1: they have drafted a ton of good players, is that

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Speaker 1: he gets very emotionally like there's a balance of drafting

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Speaker 1: good players and then being unemotional when you have to

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Speaker 1: make decisions on their contract. I loved Ezekiel Elliott in college.

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Speaker 1: I loved him early on in his career. How could

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Speaker 1: you not. He was a dominant player. He could run inside,

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Speaker 1: he could run outside, he could pass, block, he could catch,

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Speaker 1: He was a load. He was great in short yardage.

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Speaker 1: He could bust long runs. He was a beast. But

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Speaker 1: the thing with running backs you should never be in

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Speaker 1: a rush to pay them. And when you draft a

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Speaker 1: guy fourth overall, that means he got paid a lot

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Speaker 1: of money. He was a highly paid player the moment

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Speaker 1: you draft him, and you have the fifth year option

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Speaker 1: as a reason. Now I understand that he kind of

589
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Speaker 1: created Remember he went to Camp Moon or whatever. But

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Speaker 1: they paid him. I was looking at it this year.

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00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: They paid him after his third year. So he's drafted

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Speaker 1: in sixteen, he got paid going into nineteen, and obviously

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Speaker 1: he's never been the same. He got a fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed contract. That's where Jerry kind of hasked to

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Speaker 1: play hardball. And I read some of the quotes that

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Speaker 1: Jerry had when he paid him. It was about, you know,

597
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: Emmett Smith played in the league for thirteen years. He

598
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: was on our team forever. That is what Zeke's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: That's not usually the way it works, and most general

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Speaker 1: managers who are unemotional would have been like ze you

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Speaker 1: got to do this again, and then we'll pay you

602
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: after your fourth year, when most first rounders get paid.

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Speaker 1: You should never pay a non quarterback after the third year.

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Speaker 1: It's a first round pick, obviously, with guys drafting the

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Speaker 1: second through seventh round. But we've seen it. We saw

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Speaker 1: it with Todd Gurley and it had devastating consequences. And

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Speaker 1: same thing was Zeke, because you never know, you can't quantify,

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Speaker 1: you know, when the tread on the tire is gonna

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Speaker 1: go and the guy's gonna lack explosion and not be

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Speaker 1: a good player. But it came pretty immediately, was Zeke,

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Speaker 1: and it was a pretty devastating contract for the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: that they are still going to have dead cap space

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Speaker 1: on the books this year. And I think one thing

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Speaker 1: that these players do, at least with Dak who I'm

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Speaker 1: hard on the contract. You know, whether you're paying him

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Speaker 1: twenty eight million or forty million, his value as a

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Speaker 1: functional top twelve ish starter. He has moments where he's

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Speaker 1: the fifth guy, and he has moments where he's the

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Speaker 1: fourteenth guy, and probably averages out somewhere like nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: It is fine, and you're still gonna win a lot

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Speaker 1: of games. Because he's the quarterback. When you're running back

622
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Speaker 1: is like a bottom fifteen running back as a starter

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Speaker 1: in the league, and you're paying you paid him fifty

624
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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed. It's a devastating contract. And I just

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Speaker 1: think Jerry, these agents and these players played to his

626
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Speaker 1: loyalty because, like I said, what the Packers are missing

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Speaker 1: that owner who wants to take pride in the guys.

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Speaker 1: You can argue Jerry takes too much pride in the guys,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Daz you know, whether it's Zeke, whether it's Dak.

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Speaker 1: It's like he's too close to the sun. And like Amari,

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Speaker 1: it was much easier for him to be unemotional. A

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Speaker 1: lot of Maori, like he signed him because he was

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Speaker 1: good and then he traded him. But when he drafts you,

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Speaker 1: you know, you see it with the offensive lineman, you

635
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Speaker 1: see it with the defensive lineman. He loves you and

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Speaker 1: he takes a lot of pride in you. And I

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Speaker 1: think some of these players play to that, and sometimes

638
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: it works and sometimes it has devastating, devastating ramifications. Josh McDaniels.

639
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: What I don't understand about Josh McDaniels is he's got

640
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: this McVeigh quality, except he doesn't win. And same thing

641
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: with Gruden is he turns on players so fast. Last year,

642
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, you know, ultimately he's not the general manager,

643
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: but the general manager works for Josh McDaniels. He's the boss.

644
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: And they gave him twenty two million dollars guaranteed. They

645
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: gave him a three year, fifty million dollar contract. Now,

646
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, when you pull up a stat sheet, was endless.

647
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: And I've watched a lot of Darren Waller because I

648
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: watched a lot of Raiders. When he was humming, he

649
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: was awesome. It was like him Kittle and else like,

650
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: and he was you know, Kittle's the total package, Kelsey's

651
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: the best receiver, and Waller is like, what the hell

652
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: is Waller? The six six guy that can run like

653
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: the wind unreal in the red zone? Can just who's

654
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: covering this guy? But when you look at his statute,

655
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: he hasn't really done much the last couple of years.

656
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: But even two years ago, like it had started trending down,

657
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: yet they still paid him. And then a year later

658
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: they like, yeah, we don't really want this guy. I

659
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: just think there's not really a method to his madness.

660
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: When it comes to Josh McDaniels, like, you have to

661
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: be able to coach and figure out guys that aren't

662
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: just your guys, right, or someone that you have a

663
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: connection with. What do they immediately do? Last year they

664
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: signed Chandler Jones. This year they bring in Jimmy Garoppolo,

665
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: they bring in Jacoby Myers, Like, you gotta figure out

666
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: and listen, I'm not acting like I wouldn't give Darren

667
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: Waller that contract. It's like, bro, you gotta prove you're

668
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: a really good player again and fit in our system

669
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: and then we'll figure it out. Right, you haven't done enough,

670
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: Like ultimately DeVante you break him off because he's been

671
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: the best or the top two or three wide receiver

672
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: for years. You don't even think twice. When it comes

673
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: to a guy that you have it coached and he's

674
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: coming off a bad year, it's like, what's the rush, Well,

675
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: why are you letting him bullow you around? And then

676
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: he does, and then all of a sudden a year

677
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: later you trade him. So it's just it's been very,

678
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: very rocky. It's been very very weird. You know, a

679
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: lot like when John Gruden got to the Raiders. It's

680
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: just dysfunctional. That's what it feels like. Dysfunctional, and it's hard,

681
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: Like there's a difference between dysfunctional and just being like

682
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: to me, denver does it feel dysfunctional. It just feels

683
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: like a coach run organization paying mcglinchy fifty million like Sean.

684
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: He's not a thirty million dollar player. But I know

685
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: when it comes to the season, he's gonna coach him hard.

686
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna have him operating on a high level. Now

687
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: is that going to result in ten wins? I don't know,

688
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: but he will do everything in his power as a

689
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: head coach to make them successful work. I don't even

690
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: know if Josh McDaniels knows what he's doing as a

691
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: head coach. Obviously a good coordinator when he has Tom Brady,

692
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: but when he gets out on his own and he's

693
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: in charge of signing guys, on utilizing guys, on working

694
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: with different personalities, I think a lot of people think

695
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 1: he's weird, you know, and players struggle to relate to him.

696
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: It's one thing when you got Belichick in the building

697
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: and everyone kind of has to fall in line, right

698
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: like you walk into the Marine barracks, like everyone's at

699
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: attention when you know the head acho walks in. I

700
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: don't know the hierarchy, sergeant whatever, the lead of the

701
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: Navy seals like everyone gets up, stands straight. It's like

702
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: that with Belichick. You know, it'll be like that with

703
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I wonder if people start going like, wait

704
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: this guy, and it's just you know. I saw Darius

705
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: Slay tweet out like I tried to tell you guys,

706
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: and he was talking about Matt Patricia. But Matt Patricia,

707
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, they struggle with the human dynamics of these guys.

708
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: You got to be relate to the players, whether it's

709
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: your center, whether it's your safety, whether its're tight end.

710
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: They all come from different backgrounds too, and it just

711
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: feels like, Josh, some's just off. I can't put my

712
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: finger on it. Didn't get a wrong car, didn't get

713
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: along with Darren Waller. It's like, who do you get

714
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: along with? Like it's just Jimmy Garoppolo. Why because he

715
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: was just once a Patriot. You sure that's gonna work?

716
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: Like Kyle he didn't always text Kyle Shanaian back. He's

717
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna text you back what if he doesn't. Jimmy Garoppolo

718
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: has already worked like one hundred and forty million dollars.

719
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: He's not trying to prove anything anymore. He's rich. He's

720
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: richer than you. I think this Raider thing man is

721
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: off to a very, very rocky start. One thing I

722
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: find pretty fascinating is the Chiefs, like they're a good

723
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: example of not getting that emotionally tied. And I think

724
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: I heard Coward and bre Are talking about it today

725
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: of like, you know, the Chiefs are kind of the

726
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: new Patriots, or they don't get emotionally tied to guys

727
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: that they'll utilize guys coming off average seasons help them

728
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: resurrect their career. They'll take chances on guys like they

729
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: did when they traded for Orlando Brown. But they never

730
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: gave Orlando Brown some huge contract, right. They played it

731
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: out two years ago, they franchise them. This year. They

732
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: didn't resign him. They said, hit the open market, and honestly,

733
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: he didn't get that much money from the Bengals. Now

734
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna play left tackle, right tackle. He can do

735
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: it both. And they went out and signed Juwan Taylor,

736
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: who was a right tackle. Really in college and then

737
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: the pros who they think they can move to left tackle,

738
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: but if it doesn't work, which is kind of risky,

739
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: but he's a much better athlete than Orlando Brown and

740
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, you can always bump up to right tackle.

741
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: And hell, they could draft a left tackle in this draft.

742
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: They could trade up. You know, I still think that

743
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: they'll sniff around Laramie Tunseil. We'll see. But like heart

744
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: of being good with contracts and in free agency is

745
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: being unemotional and being able to say, like, listen, this

746
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: guy's a solid player. We can win a super Bowl

747
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: with him, but we're not going to go to that

748
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: price point. And Belichick for twenty years and the Patriots

749
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: for twenty years were the best at that. You'd be like, God,

750
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 1: you guys just won fourteen games, you won the super Bowl,

751
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: and you're gonna let this guy walk. It's like, yeah,

752
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: we think we got the most out of him, or

753
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: we know something that you don't. It kind of feels

754
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs are doing that now. And that's that's

755
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: how you sustain, because the only way to not sustain

756
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: when you're good is the pay for average, right is

757
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: to give guys like Mike McGlinchey fifty million dollars, Like,

758
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: that's just you can't win with those type contracts. It's

759
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: not gonna work. But the Chiefs have figured out a

760
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: way to not really do that and be unemotional with

761
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: their decisions. Now, is everything one of them gonna work?

762
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: Of course not like can Taylor just bump over to

763
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: left tackle? Maybe not. They might eventually have to move

764
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: him back to right tackle, but they wouldn't be stuck.

765
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: It's not like, well, you screwed up. Now, we just

766
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: we could always change his position back to the one

767
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: that he's most comfortable with if he's unable to be

768
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: comfortable with it. So the Chief's got to be looking

769
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: at like, yeah, the Raiders are in shambles, the Denver

770
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: Broncos spent so much money on average, and like our

771
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: dynasty is about to really start humming. We're just getting started.

772
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: You see how many young random guys we just won

773
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with? Can you name majority of the

774
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: guys in our secondary? Do you know young? Some of

775
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: our linebackers are do you know young? Some of our

776
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: offensive skill guys are that barely just learned how to

777
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: play in the NFL? You know, good our quarterback is

778
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: no good our coaches. If I'm Chiefs fan right now,

779
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm licking my lips like we're about to go on

780
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: a Golden State Warriors New York Yankees in the late nineties,

781
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: like is our league okay? A couple other quick things

782
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: around the league. Jalen Carter that many consider the number

783
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: one player in this draft from a talent standpoint, and

784
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: I would agree, is not having a good offseason. He

785
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: won't see received jail time for the reckless driving situation

786
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: with that led to the loss of life for a

787
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: girl in recruiting and a teammate, but he pleaded no

788
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: contest and also at a pro day where he showed

789
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: up out of shape. Listen, there are two reasons guyste

790
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: unquote fall. One, media overhypes them and in the eyes

791
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: of the NFL, they're not falling. They went where they should.

792
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: And then there are the guys that have off field

793
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: question marks and it's impossible to quantify, yet you still

794
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: know they are really good. Warren Sap Randy Moss or

795
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: two examples of everyone understood how good those players were,

796
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: but they fell because of off the field concerns. I'd

797
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: say one of the craziest drops was Laramie Tunzel based

798
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: on a picture that hell, I smoked some weed a

799
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: few times in my day. Even that one I thought

800
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell is this? Never see anything

801
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: quite like that, So ended up falling. I think to

802
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: twelve was at twelve to the Dolphins. And people fall

803
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: for character concerns because I can't trust you, or I'm unsure,

804
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: or I just don't know, I feel uneasy. No one

805
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: in the NFL disputes how talent Jalen Carter is, and

806
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: there are not many guards and centers in the NFL

807
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: that can block the guy right now. But when you

808
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: don't trust the person, it'd be very, very difficult for

809
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: me to draft him really high. If there are other

810
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: players available. If there are other players available who I

811
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: think can be Pro Bowl level guys and are high

812
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: character guys, I would take them over Jalen Carter. Now,

813
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: that never guarantees anything, because there's no such thing as

814
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: a high floor. That's easy for us to say, it

815
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: doesn't actually exist because a lot of high floor players suck.

816
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: So Jalen Carter is a high ceiling guy who's already good,

817
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: but gosh darn it, he makes me nervous off the field,

818
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: and I know for a fact he makes everyone nervous

819
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: off the field. I am. I think it's fair to

820
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: say that this guy has a potential drop like a rock.

821
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: And to me, when you are legit number one overall talent,

822
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: to me, if you go in the team that that

823
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: would be pretty crazy. But I think it's all on

824
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: the table. I really do. He could still go five, six, seven,

825
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's pretty clear he's not gonna

826
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: go in the top three or four because of the quarterbacks.

827
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 1: But I think you're looking at a guy who's gonna

828
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: fall because of off the field concerns, not on the

829
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: field concerns off the field. The Eagles, they've resigned a

830
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of their dudes. You know, they're getting the band

831
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: back together. As of right now, it feels like they're

832
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: Darius Slay's gonna come back like he never left. James

833
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: Bradberry resigned, They resigned Brandon Graham, and they resigned Fletcher Cox.

834
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: Now Graham and Fletcher obviously just one year deals. I

835
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say this would probably the last

836
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: year definitely for Fletcher. Maybe Brandon could go in a

837
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: year by year basis Travis Kelsey. Excuse me, Jason Kelsey

838
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: announced that he's going to return, took a tequila shout

839
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: with Howie, and then tweeted something out earlier this week.

840
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: So they're getting a lot of their old veteran players

841
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: back and they're gonna have influx of new players. Right.

842
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis, a guy they drafted last year, is gonna

843
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: play much more moving forward. You would assume that Nakobe Dean,

844
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: the third round pick that they drafted, is gonna play

845
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: a lot more at at linebacker. They have the tenth

846
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: overall pick in this draft. I would guess that guy

847
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Speaker 1: is going to impact the team. They obviously have their

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Speaker 1: own first round pick, so I think they have a

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Speaker 1: unique ability to blend old and young because most teams

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Speaker 1: I would say it's kind of stupid to resign these

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Speaker 1: older players, but they have. They have a lot of

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Speaker 1: younger players, and they're gonna have multiple, you know, high

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Speaker 1: picks in this draft to immediately kind of get in

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Speaker 1: the mix. So to me, that that makes me understand

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Speaker 1: the move because I would say the Howie by nature

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Speaker 1: would be move on. But it's it's pretty tough with

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Speaker 1: with Fletcher and Brandon Graham, specifically right. Fletcher has been

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Speaker 1: a stalwart on that team who's clearly arrow is pointing

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Speaker 1: down and Brandon, you know, just kind of the heartbeat

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Speaker 1: of the defense. His energy had one of the most

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Speaker 1: historic plays, and I mean the most historic play in

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Speaker 1: the history of the franchise, given that is their only

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl win and uh and yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Eagles as long as Jalen's healthy, until the Niners figure

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Speaker 1: out their quarterback situation, I think they gotta be the

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Speaker 1: favorite and last, but not least. You know, mister TikTok

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Speaker 1: Juju Smith Schuster was signed by the Patriots. I've seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of bag on the move,

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Speaker 1: Like I'll say this for Juju. When Juju played at USC,

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Speaker 1: they were good and he dominated. When Juju played in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, he's played for winning teams and he's been productive.

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Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if Juju was a big TikToker

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Speaker 1: and he played for shitty teams, Like, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: know this guy, what is he? Juju just was a

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Speaker 1: starting receiver caught almost eighty balls for the Kanci Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: So it's seemed to work out pretty well right there

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Speaker 1: with coach Reid and Patrick Mahomes before played five years

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Speaker 1: for the Steelers. Last time I googled them. They don't lose. Now,

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Speaker 1: they don't always win the Super Bowl, but they have

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Speaker 1: winning records. So this guy adds to winning. Does it

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Speaker 1: feel like Juju and TikTok and Bill are gonna work?

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Speaker 1: It could be weird, but listen, I've always kind of

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Speaker 1: liked Juju as a role player, and clearly they took

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Speaker 1: Juju over Jacoby. I haven't seen the breakdown of Juju's

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Speaker 1: numbers relative to Jacoby's, but you know, I think we're

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Speaker 1: somewhat splitting hairs. I think sometimes Bill, in his mind,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a late round pick or an undrafted free agent,

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Speaker 1: if he's never gonna view you as a guy he

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Speaker 1: feels comfortable paying, He's never gonna pay you, and as

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Speaker 1: long as he has the juice which Craft gives him,

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Speaker 1: like that's gonna happen, and like it's been really successful.

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Speaker 1: But I think I heard someone say it's like they're

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Speaker 1: still operating like Tom Brady's there and Tom was not.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of true, you know, you can't kind of

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Speaker 1: but the one year they splurged, it didn't work. So

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Speaker 1: maybe he's Gunshine. Now, I don't know. I don't expect

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Speaker 1: the Patriots to be a super Bowl team, But like

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Speaker 1: we've talked about before on the podcast, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: hard for them ever to suck because he's just too

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Speaker 1: good of a coach. So even if they are quote

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Speaker 1: unquote shitty for them relative to the Brady years, what's

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Speaker 1: that seven to ten, eight nine, which sucks when you're

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Speaker 1: just stuck in no man's land. And when you got

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, I don't care what your roster is, you're

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Speaker 1: always going to be stuck in no man's land worst case,

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Speaker 1: because he's just too good of a coach. And now

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Speaker 1: they've got Bill O'Brien, i'd pick him to win eight

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Speaker 1: nine games, kind of in that range, but that's not

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Speaker 1: really where you want to be, especially in the AFC,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty stacked. Have a great weekend. Talk to

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Speaker 1: everyone soon. Audios. The volume