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Speaker 1: age up front. Philadelphia could certainly use a week off.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurtz is you know, like Travis Kelcey, Jalen Hurts,

429
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Speaker 1: Jason kelce these guys. I don't think they're ever at

430
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Speaker 1: even ninety percent at this point. So I think Philadelphia

431
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Speaker 1: is a team that could use a week off. So

432
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Speaker 1: this win is not just another w It goes a

433
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Speaker 1: long way in the NFC home field advantage race.

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Speaker 2: Well, if they would have lost this game with the

435
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers coming in with a lot of momentum,

436
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: the extra couple days because they played on Thanksgiving, I

437
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: would look at the NFC a lot different. Honestly, the

438
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Speaker 2: Eagles this game on Sunday does like they won the

439
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: Chiefs game, they won the Bills game, they can lose

440
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: the Niner game whatever. I think the Niners played a

441
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Speaker 2: Bill or me the Ravens. It's not like the Niners

442
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: are just gonna cruise undefeated even if they beat the Eagles.

443
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: So this game, honestly, with Detroit LEAC and Oil probably borderlines,

444
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: solidifies their spot as the number one seed, which is huge.

445
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: We saw it last year the Niners had to go

446
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: to Philadelphia's. This is not Levi Stadium. I mean it

447
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: was rainy, it was cold. Yeah, not a soul in

448
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: that stadium left it. The area embraces the ugliness, and

449
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: it's just they're now built to play like that too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Philadelphia could rest starters in the final week, and

451
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Speaker 1: if they got to the Super Bowl, gets two weeks

452
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Speaker 1: for the Super Bowls. So in it really feels like

453
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Speaker 1: a magical year for Philadelphia if you just keep winning

454
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Speaker 1: games like this. There's a reason they do it. They're

455
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Speaker 1: so situationally excellent. But it also one of the things

456
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Speaker 1: you worry about with Philadelphia is, oh hurts is Jayalen healthy?

457
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Speaker 1: They could rest starters absolutely in week seventeen as Detroit

458
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Speaker 1: as you said, leak's oil. San Francisco's also got some

459
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Speaker 1: really tough games to the stretch and also Super Bowl.

460
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Speaker 1: So like even in a even in like a cosmic way,

461
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: what they if you could, if you could literally take

462
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Speaker 1: a want and go, okay, give Philadelphia a couple of

463
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Speaker 1: weeks to get rest and healthy, because I think San

464
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Speaker 1: Francisco has the best roster. But listen, if you told

465
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Speaker 1: me San Francisco Philadelphia today and it's in Philadelphia, I

466
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: think it's one of the great games we've seen in

467
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Speaker 1: recent years. But I'd have to lean Philly.

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Speaker 2: I really would you know, I saw your take last

469
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Speaker 2: week about Jalen's composure in the way he acts in

470
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Speaker 2: front of a press conference and how impressive he is.

471
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Speaker 2: Doesn't that carry over to the way he plays? Yeah, good, bad,

472
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Speaker 2: or indifferent? I mean, he scores the game when he

473
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Speaker 2: touched down, he acts so different than when he's got

474
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Speaker 2: twenty yards in a first half. Meanwhile, his coach jumping

475
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: up and down, acting like an idiot. Jalen's the opposite.

476
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, Sirianni's get a little over

477
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: the top for my liking, but Jalen is actually much

478
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: more coach like in his mannerisms and the way he

479
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: conducts himself as a player. You never they score touchdowns, unfazed,

480
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: not celebrate. If you're an Eagle fan, to have that

481
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz situation and to pivot to this guy, it's

482
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: just it's an all time football Havn't throwing you a

483
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: bone move because that's a pretty special player.

484
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Speaker 1: We could talk about a variety of things. I do

485
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Speaker 1: want to talk about Sean Payton and what he's done

486
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Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson. They are now the hottest team in

487
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and I mean, we all know coaching matters.

488
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Speaker 1: Nobody disputes that, but I'm watching them today. They have

489
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Speaker 1: really figured out Russell Wilson. He can throw for one

490
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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five yards. He had eight rushes. You

491
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Speaker 1: could tell very early in the game Sean's like Russ,

492
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Speaker 1: there's going to be real limitations on throwing the ball

493
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Speaker 1: down the field. I need you to run. The game

494
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Speaker 1: plan was clearly run the football screen it mitigate their

495
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Speaker 1: pass rush. With Cleveland a lot of screens, Russ, anytime

496
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Speaker 1: you can run. They were trying to keep the Cleveland

497
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: defense as passive as they could on screens, and Russell

498
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: running slowed him down a little bit. But as I

499
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: watched that game, I think this is it's Listen. We

500
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Speaker 1: always knew that Sean Payton had a winning record with Bridgewater,

501
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Speaker 1: Taysom Hill, Drew Brees. I don't know if he did

502
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Speaker 1: with Jamis Winston, but it was close. So he's won

503
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Speaker 1: with different, stylistically different guys. But Russell Wilson is absolutely

504
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: and I know this to be true, he's a difficult

505
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Speaker 1: quarterback for Sean Payton. His style isn't Sean's. This isn't

506
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Speaker 1: what Shawn would hand pick right, and so it's just different.

507
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: I watched that game today and I'm like, it is

508
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: amazing when a quarterback plays to his straints, how good

509
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Suddenly Denver's roster looks Simmons the safety, Sir Tan DJ

510
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Jones in the middle, by the way, Mims can be

511
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: wildly explosive. Courtland Sutton's always been talented. They'll get Dulsitch

512
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: back at tight end, but they're tied end. Made a

513
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: great Cats today. Williams and p Ryan are really wrong,

514
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: very similar style backs, both can catch o line. I

515
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: thought today that a pretty good job of protecting Russ.

516
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: Suddenly the quarterback play. You look around and you're like, oh,

517
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: you know what, Denver's pretty good. How good are they?

518
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Speaker 1: Do you think? Well?

519
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Russ these last couple of weeks

520
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: is carrying himself a little old school moving around. I mean,

521
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: he had some runs today. You're like, wow, where has

522
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: that been? You know when everyone was being critical last

523
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: year and early in this season. To me, he's dramatically better.

524
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: But I think what Shawn's really proven is being a

525
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: head coach is more than just being a play caller. Right.

526
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: We saw it with Nathaniel Hackett, who's proven not to

527
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: be a very good play caller, either overwhelmed by everything else.

528
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: Early on in the season, everybody and their mother are saying,

529
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: you advanced joke, seventy points, you gotta fire him. He

530
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Speaker 2: was able to just kind of ride out the storm

531
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Speaker 2: locker room lawyer, some older guys with big money probably

532
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: doing who knows what to his younger players. Frank Clark,

533
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: Randy Gregory, get out of my locker room when you

534
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: watch him to day, Cleveland easily has been not just

535
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: the best defense in the NFL, but the most physical

536
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Speaker 2: defense in the NFL. I thought Denver was every bit

537
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: as physical flying around with rushing people. So he has

538
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: maintained a level of improving Russell and getting Russell to

539
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: just go more like he was in his younger days

540
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: in Seattle, and the defense which again Colin, they scored

541
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 2: twenty points in the game and still lost by fifty,

542
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: Like that could be a firefule defense on its own,

543
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: but he's stuck with him. You watch Vance Joseph right

544
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 2: now these last couple weeks. Their defense is playing really good,

545
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: so that you know the Raiders are just they're just okay.

546
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 2: The Chargers you can never trust. Obviously, the Chiefs are

547
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. But you look at the AFC. I mean,

548
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: I do not trust Pittsburgh at all. I mean, at

549
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: one point in time in the game, I thought, is

550
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: this Mike Tomlins last year? Like this is this all

551
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: she wrote for him? You know, he just fires a coordinator.

552
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: They're down early to Jake Browning. Jake Browning's beating them.

553
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: Now they ended up coming back and their offense looked

554
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: a little bit better, but no one cares how many

555
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: yards you get when you score sixteen points. Right at

556
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: the point of that, you gotta score some points, which

557
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: you cannot trust them to do.

558
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: So.

559
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would say, beside a couple of

560
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: teams in the AFC, which would obviously be the Chiefs

561
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: and the Ravens, I don't think you can try. I mean,

562
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: look at the Browns today, right that they are supposed

563
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: to be and they have been, even with the random

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: quarterback play, easily one of the best teams in the AFC.

565
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: Denver kicked their ass today. That was not that was

566
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: not a tight game, and that was not Eagles Bills

567
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: going back and forth. That was we are better than

568
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: you shoving you around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're also they're pretty lucky. Again, they get

570
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: the tight end back, so they're pretty lucky right now

571
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: with their their health, you know. And you start looking

572
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: at the AFC, is you know Kansas City, you'll be

573
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: ready to play. Baltimore hasn't had playoffs success. We think

574
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: they're excellent. It thins out pretty quick. Neither one of

575
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: us trust the Jags in a big spot or Houston.

576
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: So you start looking at the AFC. We look at

577
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: this Power Conference and I'm like Denver's style of play.

578
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: John defense is young and fast, They're running the all.

579
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: It's a screen run game, so that's kind of bulletproof

580
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: against bad weather. And I look at them and I think, oh,

581
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: I could see them going to Baltimore. I could absolutely

582
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: see them going. I take Kansas City out of it,

583
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: but I mean Miami. If Miami and Denver played today,

584
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: I could see that getting being a completely ugly you know.

585
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: First of all, the past best.

586
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: Pass rusher just Torre's Achilles, James Phillips.

587
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: So to me, I look at Denver and it's not

588
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: crazy if you look at the momentum. If they remain

589
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: healthy outside of going to Kansas City or maybe Baltimore,

590
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: they can play with anybody.

591
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: I will say this about Kansas City and listen, you know,

592
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: it's like Kurr and Curry, like you never feel bad

593
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: about betting on those guys in a big game. It

594
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're always gonna win it, though. And I

595
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: would say this about Travis Kelcey. I was I was

596
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: talking to someone about this a couple of days ago.

597
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: He's kind of looked old this year. Oh yeah, you know,

598
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: and part of it he had knee injury right before

599
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: the season started, he said, ankle injuries. He just kind

600
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: of looks old. And this is the NFL where you

601
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: don't always see it coming. I mean, he's one of

602
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: the greatest players of all time. He's one of my

603
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: favorite players to watch, but he's looked his age a

604
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: little bit and he's no longer and their receivers are young.

605
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: There was a report today they've had to do some

606
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: extra filmwork about some adjustments. That's a work in progress.

607
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just like Belichick and Brady didn't win the

608
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Super Bowl every year. Remember the Jets got him one year.

609
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: They got taken down every once in a while. And

610
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: maybe just this even watching today against the Raiders, who

611
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: I don't think are very good. Was a pretty tight

612
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: game for a while. Now the Chiefs are ultimately better.

613
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: They got a better coach and obviously a better quarterback.

614
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: But you watch him, you go, I don't know, because

615
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: if Travis is no longer an A plus player and

616
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: let's say he's a BB minus player, well the rest

617
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: around there. They're so dependent on their defense, which is good, yes,

618
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: but you know, you go against Lamar, you go against

619
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: that like the game could get weird and all of

620
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: a sudden you just lose a nineteen to seventeen playoff game.

621
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Speaker 2: And that's what I think they've opened themselves up to

622
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: for the first time. To me, Travis flying to Taylor

623
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: and being it has nothing to do with that is

624
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: simply I just he's a thirty four year old guy

625
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: with a lot of miles on his body. He's starting

626
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: to get banged up, and he's his game very predicated

627
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: on athleticism, right to eat, movement, speed, explosiveness, and it

628
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: just feels like a step flow this year.

629
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and continuing on with the Chiefs and the Raiders,

630
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about an interim coach, an immobile backup quarterback. Yeah,

631
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: and that game was fourteen fourteen, and I until about

632
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: seven minutes left, until that big Rashi Rice touchdown. I

633
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: was like, or that big play by him. I forgot

634
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: if it was a touchdown, but it was.

635
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it was a touchdown. He kind of back.

636
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Okay, And my takeaway was it was a real game.

637
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: And here's the thing about those players. So Watson's not

638
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: a great athlete. Rashi Rice is a great athlete, but

639
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: he's inexperienced. Tony's more of a gadget player who I

640
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: don't trust. He's got very regrettable hands. So and sky

641
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: Moore is just a guy. So you start looking around.

642
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: They don't have a really they don't have a number one.

643
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I think Rice to me feels like he'd be are

644
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: really really explosive too, with like one talent more of

645
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: a two. And a lot of this, a lot of

646
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: this stuff is that these guys come out of college

647
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: John they're not always like Josh Allen. They're not always

648
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: particularly well coached. They don't have the route tree down.

649
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: They just need time, I mean tight ends. Historically struggle

650
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: in year one were some receivers, you know, the great

651
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: ones like Jamar Justin Jefferson can make an impact in

652
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: most cases, though, it's because the quarterback's really good, right,

653
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: it helps to have Burrow or even a veteran like

654
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. But I just look at Kansas City and

655
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: I said this last week. They've moved into the second

656
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: phase of the dynasty. The first phase is Mahomes is cheap.

657
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: They can play down twenty one up twenty one. It's

658
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: they look faster, smarter, and they have a ton of weapons.

659
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Phase two, they've entered Travis Kelcey. Their best player is wobbling.

660
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: They've had to move off players because of Mahomes now

661
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: as expensive. Their defense is the best it's been. So

662
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: they're now carried kind of by their defense. And so

663
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: it's like Phase two for the Patriots was no super Bowls.

664
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Now they got to them, they were closed. But Phase

665
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: one was Tom was a game manager becoming a big

666
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: time player defense. Phase two was the Randy Moss Welker,

667
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: which was explosive, almost offensive lad and then Phase three

668
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: was Tom Edelman Gronk. He got his favorite weapons ever,

669
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: excellent o line play, and it was a combination of

670
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: they could be explosive, but they weren't as explosive as Moss. Right,

671
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: and I think with Kansas City, they're just not as explosive.

672
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: They can't play down twenty one nothing to teams. So

673
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: that's why, By the way, that's why if you've noticed John,

674
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: they don't experiment as much. They're pretty good on script

675
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: early now because I think they know, you know, I

676
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: think initially with Patrick, you you could roll the dice.

677
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: I think they come in scripted. They need a lead.

678
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: Well they I thought last year was going to be

679
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: their transitional year. It turns out they won the Super Bowl. Yeah,

680
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: but it turns out this year is and I think

681
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: this offseason, like I think it's gonna be very difficult

682
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: for them to win the Super Bowl. Doesn't mean they

683
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: can't because their head coach is an all timer and

684
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: their quarterbacks an all timer. And if your defense is good,

685
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: you can stay in games. And Andy's willing to run it.

686
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: Why he doesn't have a choice. I mean, pa Jaco's

687
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: easily a second best offensive player. You could argue if

688
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Kelsey's not elite anymore, he's every bit as good as him,

689
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: at least impactful to the offense. So I think big picture,

690
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: in the offense, they're gonna dress tight end in the offseason.

691
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: Andy historically is always big game hunted. You know, he

692
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: traded for tell Owens once upon a time. He always

693
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: drafts skill guys high. I think tight ends and wide

694
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: receivers are. You're gonna be a huge point emphasis for

695
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: them this offseason because this quarterback's not going anywhere. And

696
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: the difference with Tom Right, they did get him Randy

697
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 2: in his prime, but for the most part he dealt

698
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: with underneath wide receivers. Loved it that way. Mahomes is

699
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: a deep ball thrower, Like if you're gonna make if

700
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: Diggs isn't on the team next year with Josh Allen,

701
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna want a player that can get down the

702
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: field because that is a massive strength and he's willing

703
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: to do it. So I would expect them to be

704
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: pretty aggressive this offseason for getting more speed. But it's

705
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: it's going to be difficult the way, you know, just

706
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: they're white. You can only do so much. I don't

707
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: care how great a coach Andy is to have these

708
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: guys make plays like when Rice made that player I got.

709
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a Chief do this in a while.

710
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: All Right, I want to talk Jim Harbaugh in a second, John,

711
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: but I do want to go back to because of

712
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: my you know, from the Northwest, and you're a Niners guy,

713
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: so we know San Francisco's really good, and you touched

714
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: on it with Seattle. But Seattle's in a very interesting spot.

715
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: I so Chicago's going to get the number one pick

716
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: via Carolina and they're going to take Kaylea Williams, and

717
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: so everybody is gonna Arizona's not going to keep that number.

718
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: I mean they may and take Harrison. I could see

719
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: them keeping Marvin Harrison because he's so good, but I

720
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: could also see them getting a boatload of picks and

721
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: going and getting other receivers. I'm not sure which way

722
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: they'll go. Harrison so gifted, so Randy Moss they probably do.

723
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: And so the third team there could be a bidding

724
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: war for that. It's New England, whatever it is. New

725
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: England's going to draft a quarterback. But Seattle is one

726
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: of those teams. They don't have a lot of holes

727
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: on this roster. I could see if I ran the Seahawks.

728
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: I thought watching Geno Smith, who's you know, regressed to

729
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: the mean. He is what he is. He was. He

730
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: bombed people, forget how badly he bombed in New York.

731
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: He was awful, like like not maybe not Zach Wilson bad,

732
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: but he was awful. And so eventually, you know, people

733
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: get a year of film on him. You know, you

734
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: can see some of his teammates barking. People are getting frustrated.

735
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: Seattle has enough depth at running back, at wide receiver,

736
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: I even think at corner. I wonder if Seattle just

737
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: says we're going all in, all in on getting up

738
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: there and getting that quarterback, maybe bow Knicks, or if

739
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: New England took a bone Nicks over Drake May. Because

740
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: Seattle is one of those teams that's very hard to do,

741
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: bring a rookie quarterback in and give up massive draft

742
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: capital and players. But if Seattle said, we'll give you

743
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: a you know, we'll give you a DK Metcalf. We

744
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: got these two young receivers, we'll go draft another. It's

745
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: a good receiver draft. We'll give you DK Metcalf. We'll

746
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: give you to the number ones. I think it makes

747
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: Seattle's got They've drafted so well John for two straight years.

748
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: They've hit about eight home runs. I wonder if Seattle

749
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: just says we can give up some draft picks here.

750
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: I've been getting texts for years and it's been reported,

751
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: you know, back with the Josh Allen stuff. But over

752
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, John Schneider has been scouting

753
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: these guys heavily. I mean all the top quarterbacks he

754
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: sees live, which is not normal for general managers. And

755
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: I think last year they went into the season thinking

756
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: we're gonna take one of these guys and what happens,

757
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, career year throwse thirty touchdowns. It was awesome,

758
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: and they had a spot at what did they draft

759
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: last year? Because of the trade they were at number five,

760
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: They easily could have got to three and taken Anthony Richardson,

761
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: who would have kind of been their version of Josh

762
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: Allen from years before. Remember I pissed Russell Wilson off

763
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: when they were thinking about sniffing around trying to get

764
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: up and get him, and they didn't do it, And

765
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: I think they're not gonna make that mistake again. And

766
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you. You remember to beat Trough. Once upon a

767
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: Time got from the twenties to get Julio Jones at six. Andy,

768
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: Once upon a time came from the mid twenties, get

769
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: up I think ten or twelve whatever, Mahomes was, I

770
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: think they're gonna have to do that because they are.

771
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: The Niners are much better than them. But one major

772
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: difference is bruck Perty's better than Geno Smith. Yes, right,

773
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: so it's like you can't forever with Russell Wilson for

774
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: whatever reason. Back to Harbaugh through Kyle, they kind of

775
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: owned the Niners. They beat the Niners all the time. Well,

776
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: the Niners are now, including the playoffs, four to ozho

777
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: in the last year and a half, and it's most

778
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: of those games have not felt that close. They've had

779
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: moments in the game, but over the totality the sixty minutes,

780
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: the Niners have separated themselves and they're kicking Geno Smith's ass.

781
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: And I think that was a big reason why why

782
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: the Rams kind of soured on golf is when you're

783
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: not a super mobile guy and don't have a super

784
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: high ceiling, the Niners hass rush can just a golfew

785
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: and Stafford helped the you know, obviously the Rams in

786
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: that NFC Championship game. Gino has not been able to

787
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: overcome that and honestly hasn't looked very good against them

788
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: at all. Beside a moment a drive here and a

789
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: drive there, but the game and ultimately, if you're them,

790
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: you know you're a couple of players away, probably from

791
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 2: being a super Bowl contender, but you have no chance

792
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: to beat the forty nine ers to win the division,

793
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: who are probably gonna run the table again and win

794
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: the division by several games because of that player. So

795
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: historically they've been one of the most would you say

796
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: them Andy Reid, Howie Roseman more aggressive organizations? Haven't all

797
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: worked Jimmy Graham, Percy Harvin. Why the hell wouldn't they

798
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: do that for a quarterback? So I'm with you. They have,

799
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, a DK Metcalf, maybe one of their corners,

800
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: not the rookie, but they got a guy that they

801
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: could throw in there to also intrigue with maybe two

802
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: to one to just throw hail Mary, because without that position,

803
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: you could have two dk Metcalfs and Gino Smith. You're

804
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: probably getting bounced in the first round no matter of one.

805
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: Yea, if you bring a rookie quarterback in, I don't

806
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: want to do what Carolina did and have no receivers

807
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: for Bryce Young. So what if you no chance? If

808
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: you could draft somebody and get a DK Metcalf comes

809
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: in as you're one. If you've got other sort of

810
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: pedestrian wide receivers, that's ideal to me, Tom Tellsco told

811
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: me this. He goes, you don't want too many draft picks,

812
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: you don't want to be too young. So he goes, Ideally,

813
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: when you give up a lot, you'd like to get

814
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: a veteran player, a productive player. Draft picks even in

815
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: the first round thirty percent miss. So I think Seattle

816
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: could give a team, you know, one of those teams

817
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: in the top five or six, and just say here,

818
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: we'll give you a star receiver. We'll give you our

819
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: number two corner. We draft very well, we develop well,

820
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: Pete always has, and we'll give you two ones that

821
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: to me would be much more enticing than a million

822
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: draft picks.

823
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: I'm a huge believer, and part of it is just

824
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: the people that are coming out now in the draft

825
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: are no longer look like Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, and

826
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Mobility is such a huge element in today's game.

827
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: You saw it on full display with Josh Allen and

828
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurst. Today when you watch Brock Purdy, I don't

829
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: think we give him enough credit for just the mobility

830
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: to keep plays alive. Yes, and you know when you

831
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: look at the other teams Seattle Detroit that aren't Dak

832
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: Prescott can move, Jalen Hurts can move, Brock Purty can move.

833
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm not talking. You know, Jalen runs more than Dak

834
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: in Brock. Those guys extend the play outside the tackle

835
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: and usually you can't cover forever. You know, the receivers.

836
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: These guys practice so many of these kind of you know,

837
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: scramble drills. You hit them, it feels like more than

838
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: half the time on a big play, and if you

839
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: don't hit them, you get a lot of pass interferences.

840
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: So to me the mobility, And look at this draft class, right,

841
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks, Drake May, all these guys who moved McCarthy

842
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: were to come, Kayleb Williams athlete Penix would be the

843
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: one guy who's more of a throwback, and he's he

844
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: throws such a beautiful ball. But it's just hard to

845
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: draft a guy who's not a great movement guy in

846
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: today's day and age. Isn't it all right?

847
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: So I want to go back to a game on Thanksgiving,

848
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: which there's there's two stories on the Packers game and

849
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: the Lions game. First of all, it's the second game

850
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: in a row where Jordan Love had real life, and

851
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a player Baker Mayfield's like this. Baker

852
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: relies a great deal on confidence, and when Baker loses it,

853
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: he's not the same quarterback Jordan Love clearly in the

854
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: last two weeks. Now, I could argue it's the coaching

855
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: and the secondary of the Chargers and the bad secondary

856
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: for the Lions. It's a big part of that. But

857
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: be that as it may. Green Bay has drafted very

858
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: good young receiver tight end talent excellent from Musgrave, Watson, Dobbs.

859
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: There's some really nice players here. So let's start with

860
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: the Packers and then we'll pivot to the Lions. I

861
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: said this with Kenny Pickett. I feel like I've just

862
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: I see what he is and I don't think you

863
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: can win big. Do you have a different opinion of

864
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: Jordan Love today, John as a former scout.

865
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen. I mean, when you're a young player, you

866
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: can only react to what you see, and early on

867
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 2: he was terrible, But looking back, you go, he hadn't

868
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: really played football. The difference though, is he was not

869
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: a rookie, right, He had been in the league a

870
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: little longer, so I think your expectations a little higher,

871
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: especially what you're used to seeing at that those colors

872
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: on a quarterback on that franchise, and he looked anemic.

873
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: But these last two weeks, obviously, let's even throw the

874
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: Charger game away short week on the road Thanksgiving. That's

875
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: you're a long way into the season. Your body's probably

876
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: a little tired. Those first couple drives Collin Kenny Pickett,

877
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: and let's you throw Mac Jones. Who's worse than Kenny Pickett.

878
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: They don't have the physical characteristics of this guy, Like

879
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: this guy does have a big power arm, moves really well. Yeah,

880
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: these I tend to like because I come from the

881
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: Andy Reid school of the more physically gifted guys and

882
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: try to figure it out. But those guys miss just

883
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: as much as the low, you know, ceiling high floor guys.

884
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: But at least one a guy kind of hits like

885
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Jordan Love has been lately. You go, God, they might

886
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: have God, they might be alive. What if they're actually

887
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: kind of good? Because offensively they have a lot of

888
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: speed outside right, a lot of speed. An offensive head

889
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: coach who's literally calling the so he can impact the

890
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 2: guy like ultimately Mike Tomlin or Belichick like they Oh,

891
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: they could yell at the quarterback, they could motivate the quarterback,

892
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: but they can't impact the play calling on a play

893
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: to play basis. The head coach is in full control

894
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: there him and Jordan. It's why you see if you

895
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: watch a Packer game when it was going bad, now

896
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: that's watching going good. Those guys spend a lot of

897
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: time together. So yeah, I'm much more bullish on it,

898
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: because how could you not be if you just watched

899
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: the last two weeks, whether you thought he was bad,

900
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: which I did, you go that guy looks like a

901
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: really good quarterback. Now can he maintain it into December?

902
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: Time will tell he gets a long break. He should

903
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: be more arrested this this upcoming week, but there's no

904
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: disputing he has been. He kicked their ass. Now that

905
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: they are not playing very well at all, that secondary

906
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: is a major problem. It's hard. I have to drop

907
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: them above the other three teams, obviously the Niners, Dallas

908
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: and Philly, because they that secondary like they will get

909
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: beat by any of those three teams pretty easily. If

910
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 2: that's the way they're gonna play, but this is the NFL.

911
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: Man Thursday night or Thursday morning in Detroit, it's a huge, huge,

912
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: when's the last time a home game we went in

913
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: for Detroit thinking oh, they were a huge favor in

914
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: that game, and they got worked. The final score was

915
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: not as close as what we witnessed.

916
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: Well, And the other thing about Jordan Love is, you know,

917
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: initially I still think he's sort of an erratic thrower.

918
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: He tends to be like a streaky shooter in the NBA.

919
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: He's a little streaky, like he'll have And sometimes I

920
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: think the more athletic guys mahomes this is certainly true. Lamar,

921
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: it's true, Josh Allen, it's true. They can go off

922
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: into the weeds they like mechanically when you're so gifted,

923
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: like Brady had to be efficient with his mechanics. Like

924
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: guys know who can be and who isn't. And so

925
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: sometimes when I watch Jordan he's a little loose, And

926
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: I think because he got away with it in high

927
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: school college, probably gets away with it at practice, and

928
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: you can see in games sometimes he just gets away

929
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: with it. But I will say this, when you watch

930
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these quarterbacks that don't work. One of

931
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: the things that just jumps out to you is they're

932
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: just not gifted. There's not a lot of secret sauce there.

933
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: Matt job Right, Yeah, Jordan Love moves really well. I

934
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: don't think he has a huge arm, but it's a

935
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: good arm. But he moves easy. It's it's just very

936
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: easy for him to drift outside and head up field.

937
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: And it's like you know that that also John buys

938
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: you for about two years, buys you time at the

939
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, is running for first downs.

940
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: Well, even if they don't make the playoffs this year,

941
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: and I probably I wouldn't put one thousand dollars on

942
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: him right now to make the playoffs, but if he

943
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: has two more of those over the next six or

944
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: even two and a half, three games like that splits it.

945
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: He's going to be their quarterback next year. And obviously

946
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: they would win games, they would take themselves out of

947
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: drafting the guys high. So I think he's already kind

948
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: of borderline done that where he just could help them

949
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: take a deep breath, keep loading up the team. On

950
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: the flip side, One thing I wrote down on Thursday night,

951
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: like Gino was really impressive, and the more we've got

952
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: to know him as a starting quarterback, he's an easy

953
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: guy to root for, how he conducts himself, just the

954
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: way he's just handled the ups and downs of his career.

955
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: He's just not good enough. And to me, ultimately, you know,

956
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: at least with Jordan, I don't know if he is either,

957
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: but he's young. There's a lot to work with. He's

958
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: not making up. He's gea Now. Gino makes a lot

959
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: of money. So the Seattle it's been impressive how they've

960
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: pivoted away from Russ and they've kept maintained well. Now

961
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: they played the Cowboys on Thursday night. I don't know

962
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: about you. I don't like him in that game. You know,

963
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they're kind of leaking oil and

964
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: you go, it's not They got talent everywhere. Now, they've

965
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: done a good job of drafting. They already had some

966
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: players when he showed up. But he's kind of their problem.

967
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: And they're gonna win enough games where it's eight or nine,

968
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: maybe they're the seventh seed. How are they going to

969
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: get a quarterback draft? Hope to draft a guy in

970
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: like the second round and keep their fingers crossed.

971
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: So let's go back to Green Bay Detroit, because with

972
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: Detroit I always felt like you become your coach. And

973
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: so Dan Campbell is big, and he's relentless, and he's emotional,

974
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: and I think that's great, but emotion doesn't equal wins.

975
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: And I think the first couple of years with Dan,

976
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: we were all blown away by his ability. The team

977
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: played hard. I mean they were flawed, but they played

978
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: really hard. And I still think they play really hard.

979
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: But we've seen a couple of moments. That Baltimore game

980
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: was embarrassing. This game was embarrassing. Where there is I

981
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: mean you start looking around at the coaches that have rings,

982
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: the Belichicks and Andy Reives, the Sean mcvays, there is

983
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: an intellectual level Sean Payton's that you start getting upstairs

984
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: to the highest levels of these games, and they're all situational,

985
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: and I just wonder, is Dan more emotion driven? There's

986
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. Pete Carroll can do some of that,

987
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: but Pete's legendary for his meetings and situational football. This franchise,

988
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: to me right now, Detroit feels like have they emotionally peaked?

989
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Do they have a second gear? Well?

990
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: I think there's two parts to the NFL. College is

991
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: a lot about motivation once you have really good players.

992
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: It's why once Urban got to Jacksonville, it was like,

993
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: none of that stuff matters. It's about the scheme, because

994
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: the NFL is a scheme game Monday through Friday, a

995
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: game plan. You know, Motivation when you're really a bad team,

996
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: like what he took over matters. So when he got

997
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: to Detroit, they needed some confidence. They needed a guy

998
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: out in front willing to take it.

999
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: Well.

1000
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: These last couple of weeks, you have enormous holes in

1001
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: your secondary and the secondary. The schematics in the secondary

1002
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: are probably the most complex most you know, most people

1003
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: aren't very good at it. Even in the NFL. Well,

1004
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: he can't impact it at all. There's nothing he can do.

1005
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: So as a head coach, he can motivate, he can

1006
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: stay on these guys. Mike Tomlin the same thing with

1007
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 2: his quarterback. He can't do anything. So it's like the motivation.

1008
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: You have to change your coverages, whatever that may be.

1009
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: It's always been a point of differentiation when Bill and

1010
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: Tom work together, as like Bill could impact schematically every position,

1011
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: every unit. Well, Dan, now they're going through a little adversity.

1012
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: They're good enough that they're gonna end up winning some

1013
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, more than enough games to win the division

1014
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: and host a playoff game. But like, do you feel

1015
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: as good now about them in the first round of

1016
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: the playoffs? Definitely not in the second round if they

1017
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: got to go on the road to let's say San Francisco.

1018
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: And to me, it gets back to I'm a Dan

1019
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: Campbell guy because I do think the people that believe

1020
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 2: in you matters to me. And Bill Parcells and Seohn

1021
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: Payton were his two biggest proponents. But he does have

1022
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: a flaw. Like most offense, like Andy Reid, doesn't know

1023
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: that much about defense in terms of relative do I

1024
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: think what the average person's gonna think? Why he needs

1025
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: a strong defensive coordinator. When you give them spags, when

1026
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: you give him Jim Johnson, he's kicking a lot of ass,

1027
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: taking a lot of names. Well now they because of personnel,

1028
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: some injuries. I don't really know what Dan can do

1029
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: right because his specialty like, okay, motivate the D line,

1030
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: but the secondary is more about pure scheme. You know,

1031
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 2: it's all my mind versus your mind, putting our guys

1032
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: in position, and that's gonna be a fatal flaw for

1033
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: them just moving forward because he doesn't have a pitch there.

1034
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: All right, So I want to talk some harball. I

1035
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: want to go in on harball. So let's do some

1036
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Michigan Ohio State. So the three best teams, in my opinion,

1037
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: in the country. And I don't think there's a great

1038
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: deal separating him Georgia, Oregon, Michigan. I could argue, I

1039
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: think I would take Ohio State over Alabama and Texas,

1040
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: but it's inches, not feet. I just I think Ohio

1041
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: State's a really good team. I thought they played really,

1042
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: really well. They just couldn't make stops and so but

1043
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: here's my takeaway is that everybody wants to play that

1044
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: four team Michigan, Georgia, and Oregon. They don't want to

1045
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: play each other first, Like, right, you want to play

1046
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: that four team. And so my guess is Texas. If

1047
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: they went out, Texas is your four because they beat

1048
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Alabama and Alabama and should be. I would take Ohio

1049
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 1: State to beat them, but Ohio State lost late Texas.

1050
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: Florida State. I see I.

1051
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: Disqualifying for not having a quarterback. And I think it's

1052
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: the weakest conference and I know people get upset, but

1053
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: it's almost like remember years ago in the NCAA tournament

1054
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: when Cincinnati Kenyan Martin broke his leg before the tournament,

1055
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you're not a number one seed

1056
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: anymore because he was like one of the players of

1057
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: the year. You're not the same team, So backup quarterbacks

1058
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: not I don't think going to compete against Georgia, Oregon, Michigan,

1059
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: and you can say whatever you want about that, but

1060
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: that's just the reality of it. I mean, the odds

1061
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: will change now. So if Florida State gets in you

1062
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: and I know that's who all those teams want to

1063
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: play first. They want to play Florida State first. But

1064
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, if it's if you're thinking

1065
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: about Oregon, or let's just say it's Georgia and Michigan

1066
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: and they both went out. Could I not make the

1067
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: argument that Michigan's ability so that it's the duality of life,

1068
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: your weakness becomes your strength. Michigan's ability to win two

1069
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: huge road games without their coach on the sideline actually

1070
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: would make me say I think Michigan's number one that

1071
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: in a weird way, it would get them the number

1072
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: one set over Georgia. Is that crazy?

1073
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: No, that was a really impressive win yesterday because Ohio State,

1074
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: to me, one knock on Ryan Days always kind of

1075
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: have this chip Kelly little soft right, a lot offense, defensively,

1076
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: dramatically better. That was a very very impressive loss. I

1077
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: mean his last two losses Georgia and Michigan. Obviously the

1078
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: Michigan game was a more physical game in terms of

1079
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: lower scoring. We're just I have a little more respect

1080
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: for Ryan Day than some of these people saying running

1081
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: out of town. He's they run a high level program, clearly,

1082
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: but for Michigan to play like at multiple times in

1083
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: that game when it was tied, a lot of teams

1084
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: without their coach and their leader would have crumbled, especially

1085
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 2: their quarterback had come into the game not playing well.

1086
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: That there was a togetherness of the group. Now, they

1087
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: obviously have a lot of guys that easily could have

1088
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: gone to the NFL. It's a very unique team. But

1089
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: that was as now they were at home. But to

1090
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: win that game, I have a hard time. Georgia is

1091
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: clearly not as good that They're just not. You can't

1092
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: lose the caliber of NFL players for back to back

1093
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: years and be as good this year doesn't mean they

1094
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: haven't recruited the highest level and they're not gonna win

1095
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: more national championships. Nick Saban did win national championship every year.

1096
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: He skipped some years. And to me, Oregon, it's pretty

1097
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: crazy that Washington can't remember the last time they lost

1098
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: a game Colin definitely in the regular season. It's been

1099
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: a while. By the time that game kicks off, what

1100
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: are they going to be a ten point underdog?

1101
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh? No, Oregon is at nine and a half point favorite.

1102
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: So I made this argument. I think Oregon's the best

1103
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,959
Speaker 1: team I've seen so of the three quarterbacks Carson Beck,

1104
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy and Bone Nicks. Bon Nicks right now is

1105
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: the best of the three because of the system. Their

1106
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: offensive line is fantastic, They're big everywhere, They've got weapons.

1107
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: I think they're as well coached team. They don't fumble,

1108
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: they don't have penalties today. I don't know what Vegas

1109
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: would say. I think Oregon's the best football team. I've

1110
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: seen him live twice. I've watched them on TV an

1111
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: uther two to three times. I think Oregon's the best

1112
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: team I've seen, better than Michigan.

1113
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: I'll say this, JJ played a lot better against Ohio

1114
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: State than he had the previous couple weeks, just in

1115
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: terms of some enormous third and fourth down plays, made

1116
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: some plays with his legs, made some great passes into

1117
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: tight windows like that version. He probably he's gonna have

1118
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 2: to be better than that to win a national championship.

1119
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: But was closer to the guy that I think through

1120
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: the early half of the season when they were playing

1121
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: you know, the School of the Blind and who knows

1122
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 2: who people were talking about him as a first round pick.

1123
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 2: He showed flashes again and clearly outplayed the Ohio State quarterback.

1124
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: To me, Oregon has just been consistently the best team

1125
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: start to finish that they have had no hiccups because

1126
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: even their loss, he went God, they were incredible. It

1127
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: was just a fourth down play the easily could have.

1128
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: I think are we underestimating Washington a little bit though,

1129
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: because defensively they've been a lot better the last couple

1130
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: of weeks. Offensively, they're so predicated on the pass that

1131
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: scares you a little bit that the balance isn't always there.

1132
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: But I do wonder because I think everyone and their

1133
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: mother's gonna pick Oregon and Hammer him ten to eleven

1134
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: point as a favorite. Could the game be a little club.

1135
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: There're gonna be a lot of Washington fans there this game.

1136
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 2: I think it was sold out like three weeks ago,

1137
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: so this yeah, it's gonna be a bananas.

1138
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm going to the game.

1139
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: No.

1140
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: I think what Washington does is they have an ability

1141
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: to have a bad half trail anybody Michigan, Texas, Oregon,

1142
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: Georgia by twenty one and never be out of it.

1143
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: Because a Dunze is a great receiver, he'll be a

1144
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: first round guy. They have two other NFL receivers probably

1145
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: second third round guys, so they have an effective tight end.

1146
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: They get good pass protection. Now, Penis I thought was

1147
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: really off, but again Northwest cold, it's not. You know,

1148
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: he played at Corvallis in a rainstorm and then you know,

1149
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: on a short time he comes back in a huge

1150
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: By the way, all these underdogs Auburn against Alabama, you know,

1151
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State was an underdog to Michigan. Listen, the underdog

1152
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: Alhos has an advantage Emotionally, you're just banging the drum

1153
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: all week. Nobody believes in US. So Washington State cam

1154
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: Ward played a great couple of great throws. Washington has

1155
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: the ability to be outplayed and win. I thought they

1156
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: were outplayed by Oregon and they just won because I

1157
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: mean they listen. In the NFL outside of the Jet

1158
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: nobody has two elite corners well in college, forget about it.

1159
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: And so if you have three NFL receivers john, they're

1160
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: just they just have matchup. Even Oregon was was blanketing

1161
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: them and the guys made catches. So I think Washington

1162
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: has the ability and this is not all college. Good

1163
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: teams have this. They can play poorly and win because

1164
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: of their passing offense.

1165
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: I do think back to Florida State and listen, I

1166
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: follow the program closely. I know they're GM well, they've

1167
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: put together, they have an NFL roster. Their backup quarterback

1168
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: also got knocked out, so the third stringer came in

1169
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: by the end of the game. I do think, because

1170
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: next year's going to the twelve team, if the four

1171
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: team playoff was just gonna be let's just say a minimum,

1172
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: another decade going, it would be hard for them to do,

1173
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: you know, because then it would set the precedent of

1174
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: leading leaving un you know, undefeated power five team out.

1175
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 2: I do wonder if the twelve team next year, it's

1176
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: easier for them just to go listen, your third string

1177
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in, you're no longer the same team, because I

1178
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: think that would be pretty controversial, right because a lot

1179
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: of people are saying, well, what if Alabama, who easily

1180
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: could have lost, I mean, took great throw by mill Row,

1181
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: but they did not deserve to win that game. Obviously

1182
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna be difficult for them to beat Georgia. But

1183
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: what if they do, then everyone's going to beat does

1184
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: Alabama and Georgia? Then you know all the SEC haters

1185
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: get involved. Well, Texas beat Alabama. Now you can say

1186
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: that's Week three, but still, what's the point of the game.

1187
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: They played the game they beat him.

1188
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if Georgia loses to Bama, and I don't, I

1189
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: think it's it's Georgia wins because I think Carson Beck's

1190
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: the best quarterback they've had in this run, then I

1191
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: would not have an SEC team in. And by the way,

1192
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 1: Georgia loses late Alabama lost at home. I've always looked

1193
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: at how do you lose like Oregon losing on a

1194
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: last second field goal on the road in which they

1195
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: outplayed a team arguably that's a great loss early in

1196
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, Alabama losing at home is not a

1197
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: good loss.

1198
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: No, it's kills.

1199
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got pushed around. So it does matter when

1200
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: you lose how you lose. Like I think, if Ohio

1201
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: State had lost to Michigan four weeks ago, I could

1202
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: make an argument I think they're better than Tech in Bama.

1203
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: I would. I would have no problem putting Ohio State

1204
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: in as long as they didn't have to play Michigan

1205
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: again if they met Michigan in the National because we

1206
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: years ago, LSU and Bama met again in the National Championship,

1207
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: and so I think it's a disadvantage for Michigan. Michigan

1208
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: would fight against it. It's not good for them. But

1209
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: I just things change. The reality is Florida States now

1210
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: on a backup to a backup in a week conference.

1211
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't buy it.

1212
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: One story I always find funny is when a guy

1213
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, kind of gets in some hot water in

1214
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: college with the NCAA or you know, weird stuff going on,

1215
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: and people go, would the NFL still be interested in him?

1216
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: Like when Pete Carroll left, It's like the NFL does

1217
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: not care one iota about the marine with a phone

1218
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: at Iowa, Nebraska. They they don't haven't thought more than

1219
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 2: ten seconds about it, Just like when Pete Carroll had

1220
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: who knows what do and what they didn't. It didn't

1221
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: cross their mind for once that Chip Kelly was in

1222
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: trouble left no one cares. Harbass value to me is

1223
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: higher than ever. I would say it was down a

1224
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. He's definitely got it back because

1225
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: they're running an NFL program. Honestly, Ryan Day really impressed

1226
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: me was that that wasn't impressive outing by Ohio State

1227
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: because they had got the knock, and I know he

1228
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: freaked out at Lou Holtz earlier in the season. They

1229
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: were soft, like I don't think it was, you know,

1230
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: uncalled for by people questioning their toughness. And they're much

1231
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: tougher program. I mean, they're right there with Michigan. Now.

1232
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: Can you lose to a rival when you have the

1233
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: highest payroll for a coaching staff, when their head coach

1234
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: is at home in his shorts eating a hot dog.

1235
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: That's a tough. It's one thing to lose a hardbass

1236
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: straight up right. I think it's hard to lose to

1237
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: the O line coach who's thirty seven years old. These

1238
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State, these people pay so much money. It was

1239
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: kind of another take I have is listen, I understand

1240
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: for Casey Wasstererman is a very successful individual and for

1241
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: whatever reason, loves Chip Kelly. But they had the opportunity

1242
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: they're going to the Big ten now to get rid

1243
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: of him and hire Jonathan Smith, who I think every

1244
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: Power five AD and every Power five head coach would

1245
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: say Jonathan Smith in twenty twenty three is a much

1246
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: better coach than Chip Kelly.

1247
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: Well.

1248
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: Michigan State, who they're gonna start playing and is in

1249
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: the con gets that guy, which I don't blame Jonathan Smith.

1250
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 2: Oregon State and Washington State did everything right over the

1251
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: last decade and they got screwed the economics of the sport, whatever.

1252
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: But he had to leave even though but they upgraded

1253
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: the coach. I mean, to me, that's a that's a

1254
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: solid addition by Michigan State and to me, Ucla he got.

1255
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: I watched a decent amount of that game before I

1256
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: went to sleep. Cal kicked his ass, and let's face it,

1257
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: Cal plays a lot like a Big ten team, you know, physicality,

1258
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: what he handles Lincoln Well what's Lincoln more of a

1259
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: spread big twelve team. I don't know. I think that

1260
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly's lost three or four some bad losses.

1261
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: Colin all right, John Middlecoff three and out at the volume,

1262
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: great senior as always, John, appreciate it.

1263
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Happy thanks Giving, Collins's soon the volume.

1264
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,400
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1265
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,240
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1266
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