Speaker 1: A Housewives party always calls for some drama. Jen Shaw
Speaker 1: throws a Sinco de Mayo party where Jenny finds herself
Speaker 1: at odds with Mary. Yet again, they call it Cinco
Speaker 1: de Mayhem. I love these titles. I never noticed them
Speaker 1: when I was on the show, and now looking at them,
Speaker 1: they're hilarious. Sinco de Mayhem. The wheels come up real
Speaker 1: quick after what seems just like a calm beginning, it's
Speaker 1: just the Shico Sideways content creator and author of the
Speaker 1: Shift Tanks joins me to break down this episode. This
Speaker 1: is Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season two, episode nineteen,
Speaker 1: Sinco de Mayhem. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Do you look so good?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I decided that today that I have this.
Speaker 1: Morning graduated to be an intermediate makeup.
Speaker 2: Now you look.
Speaker 4: You look really good a drug store. You're so good.
Speaker 4: I love your videos. Your tiktoks are killing it.
Speaker 2: You're so good.
Speaker 4: I watch them and I follow your recommendations, like I
Speaker 4: really believe you. It's it's quite the niche that you've
Speaker 4: carved out for yourself.
Speaker 2: It's cool. I want to say congrats, because it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's completely accidental because it was genuinely
Speaker 1: like I've seen what you've talked about, and you care
Speaker 1: about beauty, like you care about beauty and you care
Speaker 1: about fashion, and I swear to God, I don't like
Speaker 1: I have nice things. I care about expensive bags and watches,
Speaker 1: but like I don't care about quote unquote fashion. And
Speaker 1: I definitely did not care about any kind of branded
Speaker 1: skincare of makeup, like I like theology because I've just
Speaker 1: tried it at a spa, but it was very garage stale.
Speaker 1: You go in my drawer and there'd be like a
Speaker 1: random Loreal lip glass that I bought it, you know,
Speaker 1: on a trip because I forgot when for an appearance.
Speaker 3: I don't know what color. I just going to the
Speaker 3: look in the.
Speaker 1: Middle and then I would have a biology because I
Speaker 1: bought it at a spaw and I was with Paul
Speaker 1: and he was paying. But like, I never had a
Speaker 1: strategy about it, and I didn't know. So I went
Speaker 1: to my drawer and I had Mayor makeup from five
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, and I didn't know what cover Girl
Speaker 1: was and I so I wanted to weed through and
Speaker 1: also know how to do my own, like can I
Speaker 1: do my own stuff?
Speaker 3: For an appearance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's good.
Speaker 1: So that's been a one year journey of learning to
Speaker 1: be honest and figuring it out.
Speaker 4: And have any of the brands. I mean, I commend you.
Speaker 4: I mean just even beyond the makeup, you you're really
Speaker 4: just you're so honest and it's like, I mean, I
Speaker 4: know people say that all the time and it's like
Speaker 4: a boring thing to talk about, but it's like you
Speaker 4: are truly at a place where.
Speaker 2: You don't fear like any any you know.
Speaker 1: No, and you're in the impact zone. You're in the
Speaker 1: impact zone because I'm you're in your thirties and I'm
Speaker 1: in my fifties.
Speaker 4: No, but I think it's just about being established and
Speaker 4: being like you have so many successful businesses, Like I mean,
Speaker 4: that's like the ultimate dream is to get to a
Speaker 4: point where you're like, I'm going to tell the truth
Speaker 4: no matter what and I don't care. And that's not
Speaker 4: that I don't tell the truth, but it's like you
Speaker 4: were just like on another level of honesty now with you.
Speaker 1: It's not everything needs to be said, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: don't need to take that. You're just doing a risk
Speaker 1: reward ratio. What you feel something you think something, do
Speaker 1: you need to say it based on what thangs in
Speaker 1: the balance, And I agree, I would advise you and
Speaker 1: not everything needs to be said for me. My publicist nos,
Speaker 1: like that's who she is and she checked our balance
Speaker 1: and she's good. So yeah. But but once in a while,
Speaker 1: you know, I fly very close to the sun, as.
Speaker 3: You can imagine. So yeah, trust me, it's not always.
Speaker 1: I don't love it when it when when the ship
Speaker 1: comes back on me, it's not fun. But yeah, a
Speaker 1: chance I'm willing to take because I'm an opinionated person.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love it, so I.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you. First of all, congratulations on
Speaker 3: your new.
Speaker 2: Book, cat It.
Speaker 3: I love it and I love the way it looks.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you, like you did a great job.
Speaker 1: It's like exciting I get exactly what it is and
Speaker 1: you thrilled.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm a week out and I'm very nervous.
Speaker 4: It's my first book and I really care that it
Speaker 4: goes well.
Speaker 3: I care a lot, like you want to hit the list.
Speaker 2: I want to hit the list.
Speaker 4: I do, of course, yeah, And I worked hard on
Speaker 4: it and really like I believe the message I want women,
Speaker 4: especially women younger than me to learn from it and
Speaker 4: to grow from it.
Speaker 2: And I genuinely care about them, so I hope it
Speaker 2: goes well. I'm a little nervous.
Speaker 4: I'm not like the greatest person to be around when
Speaker 4: I'm nervous, because I get kind of like it's the
Speaker 4: only time in my life when I'm quiet is when
Speaker 4: I'm nervous, because I'm just like in my head thinking
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: But it is what it is. It'll come out in
Speaker 2: a week.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's very different like that doing the Today Show and
Speaker 1: things like that that used to like guarantee you would
Speaker 1: be on the list almost you know, it's not the
Speaker 1: same anymore. And so are you cramming and jamming?
Speaker 3: Are you doing everything.
Speaker 2: Like five podcasts to day, like doing all the press?
Speaker 1: Oh then you'll hopefully you gotta just you gotta just
Speaker 1: be you gotta be the you just gotta be the
Speaker 1: queen of the dip shits. You gotta be fifteen or
Speaker 1: ten on that list. You just got to jam on
Speaker 1: that list just so you can always say you made
Speaker 1: it on that list. Pour it out just to get
Speaker 1: on the list. On Wednesday, five o'clock next Wednesday, a
Speaker 1: day yeah, yeah, just you can't. It's a different world,
Speaker 1: books are different landscape. Just hopefully you'll get to the
Speaker 1: point where you don't realize for some reason. Next Wednesday
Speaker 1: at five o'clock, you don't thinking about it, and somehow.
Speaker 3: You get an email.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but many people it happens a second weekend. You know,
Speaker 1: crazy stuff can happen.
Speaker 3: But I was. I was older than you.
Speaker 1: I was after probably thirty six when I did it,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have kids, I wasn't married, and I
Speaker 1: had naturally thin and I fucking did it my own
Speaker 1: way and do anything the published said from the publishing company.
Speaker 3: I just jammed it.
Speaker 1: I was with Simon and Schuster's touch Stonefireside. I know
Speaker 1: you were, and I just jammed non stop, pushed it
Speaker 1: through five months straight New York Times Bestseller List that
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do tonight at your age,
Speaker 1: I could, I could not. I don't think I could
Speaker 1: do it now. But it's a you know what, it's
Speaker 1: an accomplishment to have written a book.
Speaker 2: So don't lose Yeah, no, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 3: Don't lose the plot exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a book deal, you wrote a book,
Speaker 1: you know, you're in good shape, especially at your age.
Speaker 1: Not to bring that up, but like you're in good shape.
Speaker 3: So congrats.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, now this is crazy and stupid and this
Speaker 1: show is so fun because it's like I'm talking to
Speaker 1: you seriously about something that is so ridiculous. And now
Speaker 1: this is not a show. I've only ever seen this
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Housewives one time for rewives, so it's
Speaker 1: as new to me almost, I think, as it is
Speaker 1: to you unless you've seen this one.
Speaker 4: No, I watched the whole series when it was happening,
Speaker 4: but so I rewatched this episode last night. But so oh,
Speaker 4: remember but I watched so much Housewives that it's all
Speaker 4: like blurts together.
Speaker 2: But so it was good to rewatch it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I watched it at the time, and it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, Salt Lake is a really I didn't think
Speaker 4: that they could ever introduce a new franchise that I
Speaker 4: would feel so strongly about like I do the older ones.
Speaker 2: But I but I do. I care about Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: I'm on the same level as Beverly Hills in New York.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I agree with you on one point that
Speaker 1: like coming in with a new series and having it,
Speaker 1: you go, wow, like that happened to me too with this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I never even wanted to watch it. I had
Speaker 1: zero curiosity for Yeah. And the juxtaposition of what we
Speaker 1: think of with Salt Lake and Mormonism, if that's a word, like,
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition of that and what this shit show is
Speaker 1: is what's really shocking. And I'll say the unpopular things
Speaker 1: to get in trouble about. Maybe you'll say some, but
Speaker 1: you will be hosting.
Speaker 3: Most you'll be not hosting.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna know more about this than I do
Speaker 1: because I've only seen the first episode they ever had,
Speaker 1: So now I'm a fast forwarding to the second season
Speaker 1: episode nineteen, Sinco de Mayhem. All right, so great, Okay,
Speaker 1: So first of all, you're into fashion, so you can
Speaker 1: be as kind as you want, but this looks like
Speaker 1: a circus. Like this is from the minute it starts.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just there was one scene where we
Speaker 1: were in the Hamptons and I looked at everyone's outfit
Speaker 1: and I said, what the fuck is she wearing?
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you wearing?
Speaker 1: What the fuck am I wearing? This is like that
Speaker 1: every episode and every scene where it was what the
Speaker 1: fuck is she wearing?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I mean, I think Meredith looks good
Speaker 4: for the most part in the series.
Speaker 1: I think she's like like normal, you don't mean like
Speaker 1: you love everything she's wearing. But she doesn't look like
Speaker 1: a clem.
Speaker 4: I think she looks like like good. I think she
Speaker 4: looks pulled together. She has a sense of style, she
Speaker 4: has a personal style. But yes, like I agree with
Speaker 4: you there that it's wack a doodle time Like most
Speaker 4: of the time, it's it's for television.
Speaker 1: It doesn't you don't get the sense that this is
Speaker 1: what these people wore in their lives. This is like
Speaker 1: this is the big time.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that that's kind of like what they I
Speaker 4: think they got their own fashion sense in Salt Lake.
Speaker 4: I think that that's kind of I think it's very
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this. It's
Speaker 4: like I feel like a lot of the women dress
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of label loving. Like
Speaker 4: I think that they think that like if it's Gucci,
Speaker 4: like it's fashionable and I And that's really where you
Speaker 4: get in trouble is thinking that just because there's like
Speaker 4: a Fendi label on something that you're good to go.
Speaker 4: That's not true, and that's a very expensive habit to
Speaker 4: get into you.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, let's stop on that. Hold on, hold
Speaker 1: your next stought. Don't forget your next stot.
Speaker 3: You have it. I'm not gonna forget it. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: stop on that.
Speaker 1: Because number one, Beverly Hills is the biggest defender and
Speaker 1: started that. That's an Erica Jane Dori, then Lisa Rinna.
Speaker 4: They taught differently because the Beverly Hills women they do
Speaker 4: shop labels, but they go into Fendy and they're like,
Speaker 4: give me that mannequin. So at least it's a cohesive
Speaker 4: label explosion on Salt Lake. They they like put a
Speaker 4: blindfold on, go into sacks and are like this Gucci,
Speaker 4: this Prada, this like Fendy and then they mix it
Speaker 4: all together and that I'm for me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's too much going on.
Speaker 4: Like at least, like I think Deary looks good in
Speaker 4: her head to toe Fendy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, would I buy it? No, but like it's
Speaker 2: it's a look, it's all Fendy.
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that it looks good, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that you just said. It's genius that you said.
Speaker 1: It's a cohesive a cl E. That is it a
Speaker 1: cl E offense. It is a cohesive label explosion for
Speaker 1: me and tom Ford. Tom Ford and he and I
Speaker 1: are best friends. He doesn't know that, but he loves me.
Speaker 1: I know he does. So tom Ford and I both
Speaker 1: do not like cohesive label explosions. It turns him off
Speaker 1: deeply somewhere. So it's a turn off. It's not creative.
Speaker 2: It's not for me.
Speaker 4: But it's like it looks good. I think, like on
Speaker 4: Salt Lake. I mean, I think Jen Shaw her clothes.
Speaker 4: I think to me, I have to say, like, I
Speaker 4: think it's some of the worst, like I really do.
Speaker 3: It's really very bad.
Speaker 1: It is a tragically offensive fashion group, like tragically We
Speaker 1: saw Dubai and that looked like a circus on that finale,
Speaker 1: and it looks put on and Sunset social. They're just
Speaker 1: jamming in fashion too. And this all did by the way,
Speaker 1: Erica Jane gets the credit for all of this happening.
Speaker 3: She started this entire thing because.
Speaker 1: I'm on Housewives shows wearing nineteen eighty two Ralph Lauren
Speaker 1: cable knit sweaters and no makeup, like that's how this
Speaker 1: thing started to get to where we are now.
Speaker 3: Is insane, but yes.
Speaker 4: It's so crazy, Like really no one films without makeup,
Speaker 4: without glam anymore now, which is crazy because it's like
Speaker 4: for me, I love and I crave the older Housewives
Speaker 4: seasons because it's so people were less filtered.
Speaker 2: There was like less of.
Speaker 4: An immediate reaction on social media back in those days,
Speaker 4: and people films without makeup, or they would do their
Speaker 4: own makeup, like you go to the early seasons of
Speaker 4: Ronny and it's like they're even in the Hamptons. Even
Speaker 4: when you guys are going to like the Benefits or whatever,
Speaker 4: you did your own makeup.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I went to the Stranger Things premiere,
Speaker 1: and I went to the that Andrew Lloyd Weber show
Speaker 1: Bad Cinderella.
Speaker 3: I did my own makeup.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to do We all know
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it, but we're real
Speaker 1: normal people. And that's where the show has shifted. It's
Speaker 1: just not the same show. And when I came back
Speaker 1: after I had left after season three and I came
Speaker 1: back four or five, six, season seven.
Speaker 3: I was calling Andy.
Speaker 1: I was mad and offended and thought it wasn't real
Speaker 1: that I walked into the Berkshires and Kristin, Heather and
Speaker 1: Carol had glam teams in the Burke Surets and we're
Speaker 1: wearing like outfits and Kristin wouldhoe up with two different
Speaker 1: shoes that like, I didn't like it. It was it
Speaker 1: felt forced to me.
Speaker 3: I hate you, you know what.
Speaker 4: I actually want to retract that same in a little
Speaker 4: bit because actually Heather and Whitney they don't they don't
Speaker 4: always have glam on. I'm thinking about Salt Lake now
Speaker 4: and I have watched the whole thing, and like they
Speaker 4: do their own glam. I will say, I actually like
Speaker 4: that about those two. I think that they are more real.
Speaker 3: And it used to looks like she does her own too.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: We're talking about it as a concept.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about as a concept. Yeah, I just feel
Speaker 4: like it's more people. But also I get it, like
Speaker 4: I don't want to say that I don't get it.
Speaker 4: And this is the really difficult part about this debate
Speaker 4: that you talk about online, and there are two sides
Speaker 4: to it, because it's like and I feel it too.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, people you wear glam because you
Speaker 4: have so many negative comments about your appearance. Otherwise, anytime
Speaker 4: you're online, people are so mean about everyone else's appearance because.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at people that I even know, and like, like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Gretchen Rossi or Lisatin or Gwen Stefani
Speaker 1: or any Kardashian or any games Old, any any or
Speaker 1: Alex Earl. And because one time in six months out
Speaker 1: or will say the Internet's not real, here's me with
Speaker 1: no makeup. They don't digest that that they're watching the
Speaker 1: other three hundred and sixty four day. So for me,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going I'm fifty two and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here posting about drugstore makeup looking like a train wreck
Speaker 1: and like it's not an even playing field. So and
Speaker 1: also people are thinking that it's real. So I'm in
Speaker 1: the same boat as you. I just I just said
Speaker 1: fuck it, like so I yeah, so I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying about them. They feel like we are now
Speaker 1: on television and we have this access to this, so
Speaker 1: why not put our best before it? And I get
Speaker 1: it because that's winning.
Speaker 3: That the whole world is.
Speaker 1: Winning over being real on reality television. It's just it's lost,
Speaker 1: it's fresh art, it's lost the freshness to it, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of a bummer. It's don't hate the player,
Speaker 1: hate the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just hard. I think we just
Speaker 4: have so much more immediate feedback. I mean now, when
Speaker 4: there's a Housewives episode, the internet is flooded with such
Speaker 4: specific notes about like appearance and everything, and so it's like,
Speaker 4: of course, of course they're like, well, okay, fuck, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get my glam artists then, because like I don't
Speaker 4: want people to say that about me, Like I get it.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's difficult to stand up and be like no,
Speaker 4: like I'm I'm not gonna I don't care, Like this
Speaker 4: is what it's really hard, especially if, like you know,
Speaker 4: for example, if someone was the only person in a
Speaker 4: cast who doesn't come with glam, you're just like, like
Speaker 4: you said, it's like, well everybody else does.
Speaker 1: Like no, Denise, remember Denise on that falcony. They were
Speaker 1: all dressed like gone with the wind for nobody, just
Speaker 1: for themselves. And Denise walks in shorts, which is what
Speaker 1: you're wearing. You would wear that today, like yeah, wearing nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that's real.
Speaker 3: What she was doing.
Speaker 1: She walked into this, and she walked into Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: which I would have a difficult time with, like I
Speaker 1: don't want to keep up.
Speaker 3: And you see the difference.
Speaker 1: Lisa Rinna had a sheath dress and short hair for
Speaker 1: most of her All of a sudden, the Erica Jane
Speaker 1: affect hit and now she's playing different costumes and role
Speaker 1: models and all to egos. And then Kyle got into
Speaker 1: it two with the wild ponytails and the hair art,
Speaker 1: and they all had to lean into it, you know,
Speaker 1: because Erica came in in full costume every single time.
Speaker 1: So even in the interviews you see these, it's her choice.
Speaker 1: She's choosing to do what. You know, she's putting on
Speaker 1: a show. Yeah, like share and a Bob Mackie dress.
Speaker 1: So it's just a conversation. It's very interesting, but it's not.
Speaker 1: And we got to this because you're saying, you don't
Speaker 1: know these women maybe dressing like this on their own,
Speaker 1: okay whatever. Yeah, So okay, so there are a lot
Speaker 1: of like two person alliances now, yes, yes, okay, So
Speaker 1: that's it's just a different dynamic right now. In this
Speaker 1: particular episode, you're seeing like groups of twos. So you
Speaker 1: have who are So you have Heather, who's hanging out
Speaker 1: with Lisa with I guess a pre existing problem like
Speaker 1: there's they're not they don't usually jive like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would say the alliances are like Heather
Speaker 4: and Whitney, Meredith and Mary.
Speaker 2: Those are the two main ones. And that was always
Speaker 2: like hard for me because like, I love Meredith.
Speaker 4: I would say she's probably my favorite favorite housewive on
Speaker 4: Salt Lake because I think she's like sensible, Like to me,
Speaker 4: she just reads as like a very sensible person who
Speaker 4: like knows her worth, has a lot of self respect.
Speaker 4: But then Mary to me is just so like kind
Speaker 4: of like out there and not really just I don't
Speaker 4: even know, just I can't get a sense of like
Speaker 4: why she of like who she is as a person
Speaker 4: and very like interesting kookie vibe right, and and like
Speaker 4: the fact that Meredith and her have this alliance was
Speaker 4: always like interesting to me. But I also get it.
Speaker 4: I also separately do like Heather and Whitney. I do
Speaker 4: I like them at this point in the show. I
Speaker 4: definitely like them. I think they're just like real, They're
Speaker 4: funny there, you know. Whitney definitely likes.
Speaker 2: To stir the pot a lot.
Speaker 4: I feel like I should say that, say that about herself,
Speaker 4: like she is a very She's the one who will
Speaker 4: say like, well when she was gone, like you said
Speaker 4: that about her and I I mean, I think that's
Speaker 4: an important role to have on any Housewives cast is
Speaker 4: that person who's going to do that because otherwise it's boring.
Speaker 1: But that, let me just explain something to you. That's
Speaker 1: the person that that's the Tinsley that the producer is
Speaker 1: telling me we will actually do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I said that's.
Speaker 1: The person because it's funny that you mention this now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because later in the scenes saying do you like to
Speaker 1: marry Jenny? You like, that's so awkward. No one has
Speaker 1: ever ever said that in any situation.
Speaker 3: That is a producer.
Speaker 1: N Yeah, that's a producer saying it and her not
Speaker 1: getting it out in a natural way.
Speaker 4: That's insane though, because well I'm so naive. Okay, well
Speaker 4: then yeah, I mean then if but she did it,
Speaker 4: she did it? Yeah, Yeah, that was wild. I mean
Speaker 4: the whole It's always interesting on Housewives when there's two
Speaker 4: people who just like some people aren't supposed to be friends,
Speaker 4: and nothing will heal that. And sometimes it's just like
Speaker 4: oil and water, and that's Jenny and Mary an Oh, we're.
Speaker 3: Getting to that. We're getting okay, we're getting No, don't worry.
Speaker 1: You can say anything at any times. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: I got a whole thing on that too. I just
Speaker 1: jumped ahead. So you kind of alluded to something that
Speaker 1: I saw in only one episode. It kind of felt
Speaker 1: like so Kelly Bensone and Jill's Aaron was a made
Speaker 1: for television friendship, like they would never have been friends
Speaker 1: in any other situation, Like they became friends because they're
Speaker 1: on the same show. It's like it's sort of like
Speaker 1: I forgot who it was, like Carol and Ramona being
Speaker 1: for okay, Like it's just like we're on an island.
Speaker 1: We're on Survivor. And you called it an alliance before,
Speaker 1: which is another thing that is not that real. It's
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty three you a reality show. So it
Speaker 1: seems like Mayor and Meredith aren't tracking to you and
Speaker 1: they aren't tracking to me.
Speaker 3: But I don't know that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget, I forget what the history of their
Speaker 4: friendship is.
Speaker 2: I think it's more just like.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there was some deeper reason, but
Speaker 4: they just to me, I'm like, why are you doing that?
Speaker 4: But then I also get it because sometimes you have
Speaker 4: a person where like I've had that in my own life,
Speaker 4: where someone doesn't really make sense but you just kind
Speaker 4: of vibe with them anyway.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's what Meredith felt for Mary.
Speaker 1: I've had it too, but it feels very Reality TV.
Speaker 1: Were they friends before the show?
Speaker 4: No, or maybe a little knew of Mary's got this.
Speaker 3: She's in the church.
Speaker 4: It's not Meredith's not part of that church, but she's
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, a respected community. Mary is a
Speaker 4: respected community member in a lot of instances and whatever.
Speaker 4: But Mary doesn't really have anyone else in, you know,
Speaker 4: in that That's.
Speaker 1: What it's really like. Everybody needs, they need each other.
Speaker 1: Something's feeling weird to me. So I don't know enough,
Speaker 1: but something is feeling weird. And Mary Cosby, I didn't
Speaker 1: know who she was. She did something on social media
Speaker 1: that I guess was about me, or posted something I
Speaker 1: posted like and I think it's positive, like you know.
Speaker 3: Reiterating it said.
Speaker 1: So I then looked over and people had said something about,
Speaker 1: oh do you like Mary? Cosby and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know who that is. Which once that got me
Speaker 1: in trouble for not knowing the Australian people because I
Speaker 1: just don't know who Mary Cosby is. But now I'm
Speaker 1: remembering her from this show. She looks very different on
Speaker 1: her social media. She looks very different in her interview.
Speaker 1: She looks very like it could not even be the
Speaker 1: same person based on her glamor. She has many looks,
Speaker 1: and she looks very different this season to the season
Speaker 1: before that. I didn't even think she was that same
Speaker 1: person on the couch that said that that Jen Shaw
Speaker 1: smelled like hospital.
Speaker 4: They are also they just do not They are like
Speaker 4: right this and and I mean they're both truly Like
Speaker 4: I mean, Mary is in a way a great housewife
Speaker 4: because she's had such an extreme personality and she's so
Speaker 4: she never has like bend or like she's never bent
Speaker 4: in her life.
Speaker 2: She's never been like oh yeah, I see what you mean.
Speaker 4: Or she doesn't even speak like a normal human, does
Speaker 4: you know normal people are like oh yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: I get what you mean, or oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: She's like, I would never do that.
Speaker 1: I don't unfiltered in a very harsh and abrasive way, a.
Speaker 2: Very intense way, you know.
Speaker 4: And then there's a thing about she's married to her
Speaker 4: step grandfather, so that adds another layer of like, you know,
Speaker 4: the house, it's just interesting, you know, and it's like
Speaker 4: it yeah, and so that, and then she she didn't
Speaker 4: show up to the reunion I believe this time. And
Speaker 4: so then that's when she got off because she didn't.
Speaker 3: She's not okay, but she's coming back.
Speaker 4: But they're going to have her back now because I
Speaker 4: guess she had to skip a season. I know, what's
Speaker 4: that clause? What's it called the the whatever clause whoever
Speaker 4: it was, whereas if you.
Speaker 2: Skip their reunion, you don't get to go the next season.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't know that great, so so, but she's
Speaker 4: apparently coming back, which, honestly, even though I don't vibe
Speaker 4: with her that much in terms of her personality, I
Speaker 4: do think she makes for the television the alooferal.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, so I'm I'm actually she has like funny
Speaker 4: one funny one liners, and and at least she's not
Speaker 4: afraid to be her whole self on TV. So it
Speaker 4: does make for interesting TV. Like I'm actually sad she's
Speaker 4: coming back, and like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find her to be off putting. But in
Speaker 1: some cases, like.
Speaker 3: You understan rational coming from yeah.
Speaker 1: Off putting, rational, somewhat relatable because she's your inside voice,
Speaker 1: like yes, I don't want to talk to you new
Speaker 1: cast housewife about my husband, Like that's very literal. She's
Speaker 1: very literal, and I relate to that because I'm a
Speaker 1: very little so but I find her also off putting.
Speaker 1: But I when I saw one on social media, she
Speaker 1: seemed like you could understand where she's coming from. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a quizical like enigma, this woman that I don't
Speaker 1: totally understand, So okay, we'll put her to the side
Speaker 1: from yeah, okay, yeah it was it was found out
Speaker 1: that she has all these fake bags. First of all,
Speaker 1: I want to mention, I want to ask, do these
Speaker 1: people visit her or keep in touch with her after
Speaker 1: her going away?
Speaker 3: From what you.
Speaker 4: Understand, No, it was only Heather till the end, like
Speaker 4: who was literally like no, she's you know, she's my girl,
Speaker 4: like until she got sentence and then she was like
Speaker 4: oh wow, like okay, I was wrong.
Speaker 3: So they all abandoned her, like after they knew.
Speaker 4: I think that they knew, Like I think I think
Speaker 4: it was Oh god, I think it was Lisa Barlow
Speaker 4: on some other episode was like I've been hearing things
Speaker 4: or like there was suspicions, like people had their suspicions,
Speaker 4: which obviously would write. And then it just no one,
Speaker 4: no one was really that bonded to her as a
Speaker 4: person aside from Heather, so.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, and unconditional love. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a best friend of twenty years.
Speaker 4: I got into trouble, but howther was really like her
Speaker 4: number one bitch until the end and then until she
Speaker 4: got sentenced.
Speaker 2: She duped them all. It's just so crazy.
Speaker 4: I just the I mean, it is just wild that
Speaker 4: you would come on a show after committing that level
Speaker 4: of fraud and flaunt your bags and take people in
Speaker 4: your closet.
Speaker 2: I just I can't get over the fake bags.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess some of them are fake and
Speaker 4: some of them are real, but it's just like she's
Speaker 4: so ostentatious and even.
Speaker 1: That's but that's I mean, I love Theresa, but season
Speaker 1: one paying for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars furniture
Speaker 1: and cash and you and your husband go to jail
Speaker 1: like this is not the first time.
Speaker 3: And most of the people on these shows.
Speaker 1: And I know, like straight up facts are all show
Speaker 1: and no go, and they're fronting and stunting because there
Speaker 1: it's the Kim Zolesiak model.
Speaker 3: You take the gig.
Speaker 1: You think, if you show your rich and you have
Speaker 1: story and that's what people are gonna find interesting, You're
Speaker 1: gonna then be able to catch up and make more
Speaker 1: money to show that you're rich and be a person
Speaker 1: that people find interesting. It's very rare for someone to
Speaker 1: just be like I. That's why I spoke to Carol
Speaker 1: and Manzo. I'm giving Carol and Manzol a shout out
Speaker 1: because a couple of months ago I spoke to her
Speaker 1: and we're just having a normal conversation talking about something,
Speaker 1: and she said, now, I took a hit in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: It was really hard for us. We had the chateau
Speaker 1: or whatever her thing is, called her her her plate,
Speaker 1: the man or the Man, yeah, whatever wherever she does,
Speaker 1: she does her events. And she said, we took a hit.
Speaker 1: It's been chat just a person being honest about their
Speaker 1: financial circumstances. I also like Jacqueline Lorita that season saying
Speaker 1: we're selling our watches. We're doing like, that's admirable.
Speaker 3: It happens. It's America.
Speaker 1: But what you have on reality TV is all these
Speaker 1: people on all the shows everyone Beverly Hills, New York, Miami,
Speaker 1: they're all front not they're they're mostly i'd say ninety
Speaker 1: percent fronting and stunting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ninety percent. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I always joke that my number one hobby is worrying
Speaker 4: about other people's finances because I'm doing the math and like,
Speaker 4: and look, I'm dyslexic, Like you know, I'm not some
Speaker 4: big numbers guy. But like when I'm watching the show
Speaker 4: and I'm I know how much glam costs now because
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I get it. Sometimes I know how
Speaker 4: much clothes costs and I'm like, I know math, and
Speaker 4: I'm like I'm and you.
Speaker 1: Know, like she's not lending to them or Chanelle is
Speaker 1: gifting to them. You know who they're giving to and
Speaker 1: it's not sound it's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's like to me, it's almost like the it's like
Speaker 4: the other character and Housewives is the money spec Oh,
Speaker 4: very smart.
Speaker 1: I always say, by the way, I love you because
Speaker 1: this is very okay. Tanks, I always say, and you've
Speaker 1: lived in London and you live in New York City,
Speaker 1: you get a New York City apartment. My apartment was
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. I sold it for it was public. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a four thousand square foot apartment. And so
Speaker 1: for seven million dollars. In Beverly Hills you get to
Speaker 1: live in Kyle's house on multiple acres.
Speaker 3: So they get to.
Speaker 1: Show more palation where we have to have Durinda look
Speaker 1: like she's living in a small, shitty apartment when it's
Speaker 1: really you know, it's a almost two million dollar apartment,
Speaker 1: but two million dollars in the suburbs of Atlanta could
Speaker 1: be eighteen thousand feet. So they get to look so rich.
Speaker 1: So there's a disparity in the way things look. And
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills, the items and the luxury is another
Speaker 1: character in the show.
Speaker 3: It's in the b roll the back.
Speaker 4: It's like, but it's all of them, it's all of
Speaker 4: them spend so interestingly, it's so interesting what across all
Speaker 4: the franchises, how people spend their money and what they
Speaker 4: deem important or not in terms of finances, and like
Speaker 4: what they're snobby about and what they're not snobby about
Speaker 4: and look, it's everyone's prerogative to spend their money how
Speaker 4: they want, but you can see how it gets to
Speaker 4: be overwhelming trying to keep up with the glitz and
Speaker 4: the glam of of everyone else.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but they're spending because they're on the show.
Speaker 3: They not. They did not this, I know personally.
Speaker 1: Also, they did not spend at this clip off the show,
Speaker 1: which is the Alex Simon bringing the cameras to Cavali
Speaker 1: and spending thirty thousand hours when they then you know,
Speaker 1: and you saw their place, like it's spending for the shows.
Speaker 3: It's the Kim Zosiak model. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, there are rumors about a lot of different
Speaker 1: housewives and is it really their house and.
Speaker 3: Are they renting and is it bankruptcy.
Speaker 1: I had a girl on our show rent the Lamborghini
Speaker 1: like it's really for the cameras. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: like you I'll say, like I got it going pretty good,
Speaker 1: like and I'm very financially secure and I have a
Speaker 1: very successful fiance.
Speaker 3: And I don't roll like that, and I have one child.
Speaker 1: Like I know the numbers too, I could do the
Speaker 1: numbers too, And you're like, hold on, you're wearing a
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars outfit on just one day of filming, Like,
Speaker 1: and I know you don't roll like that, and I
Speaker 1: know what you make, like, I know you don't even
Speaker 1: you don't make half a million dollars on a show,
Speaker 1: and you're spending ten percent of what you don't make
Speaker 1: in an outfit, Like it's not tracking because they're hoping
Speaker 1: that the brand deals will come and then things will
Speaker 1: come and the music will stop. That's what happened. That's
Speaker 1: that's the Kim and Corey effect. So that's why I
Speaker 1: talked about that, because it doesn't matter that it's Housewives.
Speaker 1: It's America, and there people that are poor that have
Speaker 1: made forty, you know, twenty eight thousand dollars a year
Speaker 1: trying to support a family and they're paying their taxes.
Speaker 1: So then people get in trouble and then they're they're
Speaker 1: watching us on television and they feel betrayed because they've
Speaker 1: been watching it as real. Yeah, it's a whole circular reference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find it very fascinating, And here we go. Jen
Speaker 1: Shaw is a perfect example.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like but she I mean, but to me,
Speaker 4: it seems like she was spending that way before the show.
Speaker 4: To me, it seems Deen was just she was really
Speaker 4: loving that money and she you know, she had the
Speaker 4: bags and the opulence before, and she came in as
Speaker 4: this sort of like over the top ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Oh who, So she was spending like the plan was
Speaker 1: going down because she was playing with the houses money.
Speaker 4: Well, I think, I mean, I just like she That's
Speaker 4: kind of how she was introduced. Like there wasn't a
Speaker 4: big like upswing between season one and season two in
Speaker 4: terms of her or spending. Like she came in as
Speaker 4: like I love Chanel, like that was her thing, so
Speaker 4: like whatever, whatever.
Speaker 2: She was always wearing that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And it's like, but I think that also the newer
Speaker 4: franchises have the advantage or maybe disadvantage of seeing what
Speaker 4: works on the other franchises, so they're like, oh, like
Speaker 4: everyone likes the rich, richest one, or like, oh it's
Speaker 4: cool to ball out, and like that's what resonates, which
Speaker 4: is interesting because like, actually, historically if you look at
Speaker 4: the fan favorite, it's not it's not always the richest,
Speaker 4: flashiest housewife. Like that's not what I think wins people over.
Speaker 4: I'm the first to say I joke about this all
Speaker 4: the time. Like I like my housewives rich, like I
Speaker 4: like to see the private jets. I like to see
Speaker 4: it's escapism, like I like to not you know, I
Speaker 4: don't want anyone to be spending about their means so
Speaker 4: that they can entertain me.
Speaker 2: But like I like that stuff. But my favorite housewives.
Speaker 4: Are certainly not the ones who are like balling out
Speaker 4: the most. Like I like the it's a personality thing.
Speaker 4: And even though America does love to have escapism and
Speaker 4: like watch that, I don't think that collectively.
Speaker 2: Our loyalty lies with like the biggest baller I.
Speaker 1: Know, but you need them to play against something else.
Speaker 1: You may like the straight You may think I'm funny,
Speaker 1: but that's because I'm next to Paul, who's the straight
Speaker 1: guy in the act. Like you need somebody for.
Speaker 2: Them to play against.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have that to compare it against it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people think, you know, I was thought of is
Speaker 1: the most relatable in the Greek course only because I
Speaker 1: was queen of the dipshits, not you know, who knows,
Speaker 1: Like maybe it's because of who I was paired with.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but I would never be cast
Speaker 1: now in that ikea apartment that I had, Like I
Speaker 1: redid that apartment after my book and after I you know,
Speaker 1: first was not flat broke, and I redid the entire
Speaker 1: apartment for ten thousand dollars IKEA. That was me not
Speaker 1: having the hot and cold sink things that came with
Speaker 1: the apartment. Like that was my big you know, Jefferson's
Speaker 1: moving on up moment. And they would never cast that
Speaker 1: apartment now he as apartment was a problem for Bravo.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, because that's not Aspery.
Speaker 1: It's not Bravo, it's not what they want, it's not
Speaker 1: they So so it's a it's a it's it's the
Speaker 1: tail wagging the dog. Because the housewives are cast. If
Speaker 1: they look rich, they don't have to be rich. They
Speaker 1: have to look rich. And if they sort of look
Speaker 1: rich but aren't really rich, it's even better because then
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a gen Shaw Toreese the situation in
Speaker 1: Erica Jane's situation. So it's a circular reference that's maybe
Speaker 1: not the best for the country, but the viewer is
Speaker 1: watching right and you know, so it's an interesting conversation
Speaker 1: and you're smart, so.
Speaker 2: You get it.
Speaker 3: So why are they talking about this memorial? Being fake.
Speaker 4: So Meredith's father sadly passed away, and I guess they
Speaker 4: are questioning whether there was a memorial because something about
Speaker 4: gen Shaw's like arrest, they kind of felt like she
Speaker 4: knew what was going to happen, Like that's what they're
Speaker 4: accusing her of, if I'm remembering correctly, And she's like,
Speaker 4: don't talk about my father, like whether there was a
Speaker 4: memorial or not, Like it doesn't really mean.
Speaker 1: It does read a little murky, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what ended up happening, But the way she's defending it
Speaker 1: so crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like be subtle.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it seems like it's a why
Speaker 1: would that even be a question that she had or
Speaker 1: didn't have a memorial?
Speaker 3: And did we find out right?
Speaker 4: And if she did, you would just be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was at his memorial, like fuck off. But still
Speaker 4: like I don't know, I'm I'm I'm kind of like
Speaker 4: bad in this way because I like, if I like
Speaker 4: a housewife, I'll excuse their behavior.
Speaker 2: And I really do like Meredith.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm like, I'm like, you know, if she
Speaker 4: didn't want to be there, if she found something out,
Speaker 4: like I yeah, that's okay, like you know, she her look,
Speaker 4: her dad did pass away, Like it's obviously a very
Speaker 4: sensitive time, like you know, no, it's not good to.
Speaker 1: Lie, but like I don't know, no, I understand, and
Speaker 1: also being whether it was there were tracking the exact time,
Speaker 1: like the time around a death is a time that
Speaker 1: you're in mourning.
Speaker 2: So you're saying yeah, and it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4: And it's like she would have been it took from
Speaker 4: my understanding, she would have been there any way with
Speaker 4: her family, whether there was a memorial or where there wasn't,
Speaker 4: Like she's busy and and even if she was kind
Speaker 4: of like, oh I found something out, I don't want
Speaker 4: to be there. She's still mourning her father, and I
Speaker 4: think she gets a free pass in that sense, like
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, And it feels a little petty, and it
Speaker 1: feels convoluted, and it feels very like made up housewives argument,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of you know, discussion around this,
Speaker 1: and it's feeling a little petty.
Speaker 3: The help me.
Speaker 1: Jesus and the religious talk like just thrown around is
Speaker 1: so full. I call it like faux spirituality. When someone
Speaker 1: in yoga is like this is your journey.
Speaker 3: That's that's like they are.
Speaker 4: That's that's how that that's salt Lake. And I actually
Speaker 4: like it because it's like it's different, like it's.
Speaker 3: It's like bless your Heart in the South. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: And that's like.
Speaker 2: You know, they do.
Speaker 4: All of them have a very interesting relationship with religion,
Speaker 4: which I really appreciate that they all kind of.
Speaker 2: Talk about a lot.
Speaker 4: And I mean, you know, Heather and her book Bad Mormon,
Speaker 4: like she you know, left the church, Whitney left the church,
Speaker 4: marry the super religious like church leader. You know, they
Speaker 4: they all they all really bring that to the table.
Speaker 4: And talking about spirituality and religion on America on television
Speaker 4: is scary because this is a very opinionating.
Speaker 1: I like it that they're having a conversation and you're
Speaker 1: saying they have their own relationship with To me, they do. Overall,
Speaker 1: there's a fraudulent vibe to.
Speaker 4: It because because you're from me, because you live in
Speaker 4: New York, and like no one in New York would
Speaker 4: ever be like help me Jesus or even think about
Speaker 4: that there.
Speaker 2: It's like it's just no, I.
Speaker 3: Don't care that they're saying help me Jesus.
Speaker 1: But the way it's juxtaposed with some behavior like the
Speaker 1: other girl said she was on a strip of pol
Speaker 1: and God taught me to do that.
Speaker 4: I think that they are still figuring it out, like
Speaker 4: we won't understand because we were not brought up up
Speaker 4: in the Mormon Church how difficult it was. And there's
Speaker 4: a scene when actually Whitney, I think it's after this,
Speaker 4: she writes some sort of a letter. You know, to
Speaker 4: get out of the church is like a big hoopla,
Speaker 4: like you have to do a lot of things and say,
Speaker 4: but she signed something that's like I'm fully free of
Speaker 4: the church. And it's like when you were brought up
Speaker 4: that way, when you were brought up to think sex
Speaker 4: is bad and you know alcohol is bad, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you switch it like you still
Speaker 4: have you still have the voice in your head of God.
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe they're trying to find a new
Speaker 4: footing and new relationship right which I'm very into because
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, maybe they thought, Okay, well my
Speaker 4: God actually does want me to dance on a No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm receiving what you're saying. You're saying like that
Speaker 1: could be a rebellion. There could be there in between
Speaker 1: two worlds the purgatories. Yea, yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. But I do think they're
Speaker 1: using it a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm I'm gonna I'll agree with you.
Speaker 3: I'll see you.
Speaker 1: I'll say I think that it's being like used a
Speaker 1: little bit at their like as a as a tool
Speaker 1: or a not a weapon, but like it's being used
Speaker 1: a little I think religion as a concept is being
Speaker 1: a little bit manipulated.
Speaker 3: To tailor your your host.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the But I hear what you're I
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, and I actually like it.
Speaker 1: It's it's smart. I actually think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: really smart. And Okay, so I love now this sanctimonious
Speaker 1: your friend Meredith. I understand her being like, who's paying
Speaker 1: for this party? But it's an interesting time for now
Speaker 1: this to come up, like we know, you know, like
Speaker 1: so now we're talking about the party and who's paying
Speaker 1: for it, but the loophole is the husbands are.
Speaker 3: Paying for it. Like oh, sorry, I skipped over apart. Sorry.
Speaker 1: The Bachelor scene is like when they set up the
Speaker 1: little table for the three women to sit at Mary,
Speaker 1: Jenny and Meredith and they're talking about their relationships, and
Speaker 1: I did understand why Mary does and want this like
Speaker 1: forced relationship discussion with this girl Jenny that she seems
Speaker 1: to just be turned off by.
Speaker 3: She just doesn't. I've not.
Speaker 1: I've you can also on Housewives. So tinks you cannot
Speaker 1: like someone on Housewives cause they're like in the way
Speaker 1: and they seem fake or they don't.
Speaker 3: You may like like them fine.
Speaker 1: At a cocktail party, like, but when you're forced to
Speaker 1: be around them all day and like you're supposed to.
Speaker 3: Like stay see friendship, You're just like, get the fuck
Speaker 3: out of the way. Right now, we're doing a real
Speaker 3: big girl talk.
Speaker 1: I've had that, and it's yeah, like I thought Jules
Speaker 1: was perfectly lovely to girl on our show. She was fun,
Speaker 1: she was nice. Even Tinsley sometimes I've pushed out of
Speaker 1: the way, and I really like Tinsley. Sometimes you're on
Speaker 1: the Housewives and like you'll say somebody to Tinsley and
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, I don't really want to talk about
Speaker 1: that right now. You're like, okay, Hi, there are men
Speaker 1: above you with cameras that are fifty pounds, So like
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this either or on
Speaker 1: the Housewives, so like let's put our knee pads on
Speaker 1: and do the work. So sometimes you just don't want
Speaker 1: to deal with someone in that environment, but in any
Speaker 1: other situation you might be fine with them. But like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jenny being her new best and she's going to do
Speaker 1: therapy with she's turned off by just for arguments sake,
Speaker 1: I'm explaining like that it's a dynamic that could.
Speaker 4: Be Yeah, I think that's a fair take, and I
Speaker 4: think I will Yeah, I just think that Mary for
Speaker 4: some reason has a major issue with Jenny. She doesn't
Speaker 4: like her, and like I see why Mary finds Jenny
Speaker 4: in this instance like kind of fake, like her question like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's talk about her husbands. However, I will say that
Speaker 4: I really commend Jenny because she was very honest about
Speaker 4: like major issues in her marriage that has got to
Speaker 4: be hard to talk about on TV. Her husband's like,
Speaker 4: you know, he wants to have another kid, and she's like,
Speaker 4: I really don't want to, and like then he suggests
Speaker 4: that they start a poly polygamous marriage, like that they
Speaker 4: should add a wife, and like that's insane, Like I
Speaker 4: cann't do that. On TV like to me, and and
Speaker 4: it was so clear she was so hurt and he
Speaker 4: just wasn't getting it. And she did all of it
Speaker 4: on Housewives in a very to me real way, Like
Speaker 4: I felt like Jenny was really you know, showing it,
Speaker 4: and so I like, I didn't have a soft spot
Speaker 4: for her, but I was like, I definitely think she's
Speaker 4: bringing it. I definitely think she's being real and Mary
Speaker 4: just doesn't like her, and that's you know, that's okay.
Speaker 4: Jenny's very like new girl like raw ra like I
Speaker 4: want to talk about it, like I'm game for anything,
Speaker 4: and that's like not Mary's Mary's vibes.
Speaker 6: So uh huh good, I uh thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: No, you're very I like that You're like a good
Speaker 1: This is good for me to do this with you,
Speaker 1: because not just because you have institutional knowledge, but I
Speaker 1: like your takes and we come from totally different sides.
Speaker 1: So I'm agreeing with you that she can be She
Speaker 1: seems slightly annoying just on the surface, right, I'm seeing
Speaker 1: that she's making an effort as a housewife, Like I'm
Speaker 1: seeing that she's like moving information and wanting to talk
Speaker 1: and say we're not all supposed to be friends, like
Speaker 1: you are in a different You're on a show, and
Speaker 1: you're not hanging out with these people normally, so you
Speaker 1: have to operate in your cubicle, workplace office where with people.
Speaker 3: That you don't normally want to hang out with.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But I my first season or my second season, when
Speaker 1: I was sitting with the guy Jason I was dating,
Speaker 1: who did not want to be on at all, and
Speaker 1: I had him beyond and we were sitting at.
Speaker 2: A table, and I remember that scene and.
Speaker 1: Wanted me to say, like, what about moving in together?
Speaker 1: And he was like, we'll talk about it later, and
Speaker 1: he said it all the times in my book.
Speaker 4: It's seared in my brain. That's okay, is seared in
Speaker 4: my brain, like I remember it.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: So know that while it was real in the moment,
Speaker 1: the whole circumstances of it weren't real because he didn't
Speaker 1: really feel that way. But he was on camera right now,
Speaker 1: right and now that is not what it was today.
Speaker 1: They wanted me to be on that show really badly,
Speaker 1: just like they did when I came back. So there were,
Speaker 1: you know, licenses they were willing to give and things
Speaker 1: they'd go for in my life when I came back,
Speaker 1: I didn't have my kid on my boyfriend, but a
Speaker 1: new house. So i'vee in twenty twenty three that wants
Speaker 1: so badly to be on.
Speaker 3: Those producers are.
Speaker 1: Like, well, you're gonna have to talk about this, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna and we heard that, and you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to talk about that, and if you're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: your husband's gonna have to talk about this. And so
Speaker 1: she's having side conversations when they're signing up, saying they're.
Speaker 3: Not gonna let us do it if you don't talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: So, while I agree with everything you were saying that
Speaker 1: you're saying, she was so open, I can smell a
Speaker 1: little because the first thing when I saw the flashback
Speaker 1: with the husband was like, this guy's dying. He can't
Speaker 1: believe he's doing this. Why is he doing this? He's
Speaker 1: not being paid a nickel, This isn't Jersey. The husband's
Speaker 1: don't get pay And I'm thinking, from like my institutional
Speaker 1: knowledge that yes, she's sharing all this, but I do
Speaker 1: not know how much those producers needed her to so
Speaker 1: split the difference, just letting.
Speaker 2: You know that the difference, Yeah, yeah, split.
Speaker 1: The difference that yes, she shared it and she went
Speaker 1: there and she could have just shut down, to shut
Speaker 1: down and not share it anything, Like, I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying. That gives me more perspective. She's playing the game,
Speaker 1: is what.
Speaker 2: You're both playing the game?
Speaker 1: Yes, and the other woman Mary just can't stomach. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what do you think about this whole party discussion
Speaker 1: about your friend Meredith who is having a problem with
Speaker 1: the party and who paid for it? And we start
Speaker 1: with that with that discussion, it husband's actually paid.
Speaker 4: It's it's jen Shaw's party, right, That's what it was.
Speaker 1: It's Genshaw's party, which Genshaw didn't pay for, nor did
Speaker 1: the husband's production paid for it?
Speaker 2: Right right, right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then but then yeah, but then one.
Speaker 4: Of the I'm trying to remember, but is it who
Speaker 4: so production paid or is this the situation, because there's
Speaker 4: there's some sometime on Salt like when someone paid for
Speaker 4: Oh that was actually later sorry that's in season three.
Speaker 1: But here it's everybody wants and Genshaw loves attention, and
Speaker 1: you can tell she loves a party because the first
Speaker 1: season she wanted to do that big party. So everybody
Speaker 1: wants it to be their trip, right, their idea, and
Speaker 1: there's no reason for that. You should want to sit
Speaker 1: in the back.
Speaker 2: Not me. Man, if I was on it, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: you guys plan it, I'll shank you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It becomes this competition and people don't even know why
Speaker 1: they're doing it. Everybody wants the finale. Luanne wants it
Speaker 1: to be cabaret, Durinda wants it to be her charity.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants this. Ramona fought for the trips like her
Speaker 1: life was depending upon. Everybody wanted it to be their thing.
Speaker 1: If it's business, I'd want it to be my thing.
Speaker 1: Like Mi Tequila trip, which was epic. That's different.
Speaker 3: So here.
Speaker 1: Someone owns the trip and gets to be That's why
Speaker 1: the other girl going, it's really amazing Je. The new
Speaker 1: girls like, it's amazing what Jen did.
Speaker 3: And she did.
Speaker 2: Gender do anything right?
Speaker 4: She did she didn't, she really didn't. And then she
Speaker 4: did something like you're a bad friend. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I remember. I mean Jen is just like it's just
Speaker 4: she started digging a hole and she can't stop digging,
Speaker 4: Like why are you worrying about who hosts the party.
Speaker 2: When you are like guilty of fraud. I mean it's kind.
Speaker 3: Of right, like is that a diversion she's running down.
Speaker 1: She's wearing that hideous outfit with that hideous bombing belt
Speaker 1: that I actually have in other callers and want to
Speaker 1: throw away now as a result of that outfit, you
Speaker 1: know that you know exactly what I'm talking about, that bombing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I really wonder if, like in the lead up,
Speaker 4: I really really wondered, like in her gut and I
Speaker 4: talked about this on my Instagram actually, I was like,
Speaker 4: in her gut, does she know that she's done something wrong?
Speaker 4: And I don't think right that she. I think that
Speaker 4: there's two types of people. I think there's people who
Speaker 4: are like, I'm going to commit a crime, like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna commit fraud, and I hope I don't get caught,
Speaker 4: but if I do, Okay. I think that in her
Speaker 4: head she's somehow manipulated it and she actually doesn't think
Speaker 4: she's in the wrong, because the way that she acts,
Speaker 4: like once she knows she's going to trial in jail
Speaker 4: and like crying, it's as if she genuinely believes she's innocent.
Speaker 4: And that's how she carried on until the end and
Speaker 4: it's like, I think it could be deflection.
Speaker 1: It could be like watch what Happens Live, delusion acting
Speaker 1: to the end like they didn't do anything wrong and
Speaker 1: they're victims. A lot of people act like they're victims
Speaker 1: of the system. Or it could be made off where
Speaker 1: it's like to the day before, you're still moving the
Speaker 1: money around in the accounts because.
Speaker 3: You have you've believed your own myth.
Speaker 1: That's so part of theest thing you're doing that you've
Speaker 1: believed your own myth.
Speaker 5: Well, and then in the next and then as this
Speaker 5: as the season goes on and whatever, jenn is still
Speaker 5: so involved in, like the drama of the ladies and
Speaker 5: like acting like, well, everyone has to be nice to
Speaker 5: me because like I'm going to trial and it's like,
Speaker 5: what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like you're wondering what she's thinking now going backwards in particular,
Speaker 1: knowing what happened.
Speaker 4: And she's like, you know, how could you be I
Speaker 4: would be like sitting there freaking out, like in silence,
Speaker 4: not being like, well, you're a bad friend to me,
Speaker 4: Like there's bigger fish to fry, and it just it
Speaker 4: flabbergasted me. How in the weeds of the Other Housewives
Speaker 4: stuff she was into even given knowing. I mean, and
Speaker 4: again maybe that's deflection, maybe because it's like, well, what
Speaker 4: else can she do?
Speaker 2: What matter?
Speaker 3: What does it even matter?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I think it's that's very It's a great conversation.
Speaker 1: So there, and now we're going to get into it.
Speaker 1: So they coincide. The Congo line is something that like
Speaker 1: the producers like, I'd love to see you guys doing
Speaker 1: a Kongo line out, So that's a produced thing to
Speaker 1: get outside. And then we sit down and I just
Speaker 1: want to talk about the tone deaf snowflake necklace. And
Speaker 1: also you're going away for defrauding people or even be
Speaker 1: acute even being accused of that. So tinks you're accused
Speaker 1: of something that has anything to do with money, and
Speaker 1: now you're giving diamond saying and I'm the diamond in
Speaker 1: the center.
Speaker 2: No, it's insane, it's insane.
Speaker 1: But what did you think of Whitney's connection about Meredith
Speaker 1: having no problem taking the gift, but she didn't want
Speaker 1: to sit at the dinner Like it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a reach. I know she's your friend in your head,
Speaker 1: but she it's a little bit of a reach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a reach.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I don't know, I just felt like
Speaker 4: Meredith was like over this whole trip. She's not she
Speaker 4: wasn't like fully in it ever. I mean, what was
Speaker 4: she going to do. I guess you could say, no,
Speaker 4: I don't want the necklace. I guess that's a fine
Speaker 4: thing to do, but like that's more dramatic. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: that's like more like bringing the bunny back, like what
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like it's just kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 4: She was just over it and wanted to do like
Speaker 4: the least like dramatic thing possible, and in her head
Speaker 4: that was it. I mean, that's yes, where my mind goes.
Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, okay, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: The Mary saying you don't have a husband, that just
Speaker 1: shows she has a scathing Ramona streak of like a
Speaker 1: vicious comment that just comes out of that was like
Speaker 1: vicious and unnecessary and related to nothing. And you have
Speaker 1: a skeleton in your own closet if it's wrong. I
Speaker 1: don't even understand what a step grandfather is, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't sound normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, And yeah, I think like that. I
Speaker 4: think that's why people have a big problem with Mary
Speaker 4: is because she if any of the women, like to
Speaker 4: your previous point, like, if any of the women.
Speaker 3: Do use.
Speaker 4: God or a relationship to religion as a as a shield,
Speaker 4: it's Mary Like She's definitely the most extreme where she
Speaker 4: feels because in her head, she genuinely feels she is
Speaker 4: like channeling God. There's an episode where she like, she
Speaker 4: does her podcast and she's like, I am basically God,
Speaker 4: like I'm God on Earth like whatever. And so I
Speaker 4: think why people have a problem with that is because
Speaker 4: obviously your relationship with God is your own, but it
Speaker 4: seems that if you were, you know, a steward of
Speaker 4: God on earth, you would be more loving. And she's
Speaker 4: one of the most cold and like unloving people on
Speaker 4: the cast, Like she doesn't really have empathy or like
Speaker 4: a warmth for anyone.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's.
Speaker 4: One of the ways why people find it like her
Speaker 4: a little bit difficult to swallow.
Speaker 1: There's a conversation about this blanket thing that was bizarre too,
Speaker 1: just saying like can you get me like A, I
Speaker 1: doubt that's going to happen, Like it's a another random shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It a it's a it's a spicy trip in terms
Speaker 4: of housewife strips, it's high tension really, everyone like there's
Speaker 4: no passive aggressive aggression.
Speaker 2: People are just like come out swinging.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, right, but then yeah, but with Whitney
Speaker 1: saying everyone is to be the same and we have
Speaker 1: to be consistent. Like everyone's trying to figure out. It's
Speaker 1: so funny. They're trying to do the math. Like someone's
Speaker 1: saying to Jen, Jenna's saying, I've been a good friend
Speaker 1: to you, and then Jen's like saying that, or uh, Lisa,
Speaker 1: Lisa saying she's been a good friend to Jen Shaw
Speaker 1: and because she's just being honest, and everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: like vie for the definition of what a good friend
Speaker 1: good friend And that's another interesting one. And it boomeranged
Speaker 1: on Lisa for jumping in.
Speaker 6: Yeah, boomerang, she jumped in and she got yeah, so
Speaker 6: that's what happened, right, right, right, So she she's like,
Speaker 6: don't turn this on me, and then she storms off
Speaker 6: and she turns on Meredith and she's like no.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, and she's Lisa's very like concerned
Speaker 4: with being in the right and I don't think she
Speaker 4: likes when people are angry at with her, which like
Speaker 4: fair enough, Okay, those are two things that are very common,
Speaker 4: Like I don't like when people are angry at me either,
Speaker 4: but you know, she gets she can kind of sometimes
Speaker 4: like start a fight and then like she goes to
Speaker 4: her room, she like doesn't finish kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 4: So I like, but yeah, boomerang back on her. They're
Speaker 4: all very concerned with like, well I should. But that's
Speaker 4: like a common thing of like I showed up for you,
Speaker 4: because the loyalty on Housewives, like it's it can be
Speaker 4: shaky because unless you are true, like honest to god
Speaker 4: friends off camera, you do kind of have to go
Speaker 4: off of like this loyalty on the show. And you
Speaker 4: think that that means something. You think you're putting in
Speaker 4: chips with someone and then they turn around and bite
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: But the definition of it is very bizarre because for me,
Speaker 1: it would be like Ramona would say, I showed up
Speaker 1: at your whatever, so I don't know, I didn't come
Speaker 1: to my whatever, and I'm like, I didn't, I didn't
Speaker 1: want I don't care if you came to my whatever,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go to your whatever because
Speaker 1: that's a whatever, Like it's some dumb, made up brand
Speaker 1: jewelry party that she's throwing, and the chits on this
Speaker 1: series are invite her, don't invite her. I want her
Speaker 1: to show up when I don't. Some people don't care
Speaker 1: about being invited to anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like this this.
Speaker 1: Thing about showing up, and I don't know what that
Speaker 1: actually means.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 1: That's actually why I asked you if anyone visited Jenshaw
Speaker 1: in jail, because I was wondering. You know, it'll come
Speaker 1: back six years when the Housewife is still going on
Speaker 1: and she gets out and we'll hear about how nobody
Speaker 1: visited her in jail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it would. It would have only
Speaker 4: been Heather. And then I think I think she I
Speaker 4: think Heather, from my understanding, felt like fully lied too,
Speaker 4: because she fully didn't. I think that until like the
Speaker 4: last day, Jen was like, no, dude, I'm innocent. Like
Speaker 4: it's fine, I'm innocent, and Heather believed her.
Speaker 1: There's an honesty to Heather's relationship to religion that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe that I have that I believe like that.
Speaker 4: I think my take was genuinely that like Whitney's kind
Speaker 4: of like sarcastic and like, yeah, God made me get
Speaker 4: on the poll, like whatever, Like I cut just.
Speaker 2: The way she speaks. But I really do believe.
Speaker 4: I believe her journey, and I believe that it's complex,
Speaker 4: and I believe she's living in authenticity with who she
Speaker 4: wants to be now, and I believe that with Heather too.
Speaker 4: I think that they're just on different paths and came
Speaker 4: to it at different times. But I actually like, I'm
Speaker 4: sad they're they're not in the greatest place now anymore.
Speaker 4: But I actually like, I actually like both of them
Speaker 4: as you're the best.
Speaker 1: You love You're like, I don't know, so you're really
Speaker 1: speak you know these people you're invested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's invested. Guys think invested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you watch in a different way, which I really
Speaker 1: like you invested.
Speaker 3: I like, you're a real fan of this franchise. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well okay, so, so I love the phrase that Lisa
Speaker 1: used about these girls emotionally coddling. She's like, I don't
Speaker 1: need to be emotionally coddling these people, Like I just it's.
Speaker 3: Just whether you believe what she was saying or not.
Speaker 3: I like the expression.
Speaker 4: It's a good it's a good expression. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 4: think I don't. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a
Speaker 4: great expression. I don't really think anyone emotionally coddles anyone
Speaker 4: else on that show, apart from maybe Heather to Jen
Speaker 4: in at this point in time. I think that she
Speaker 4: was like, sometimes when someone is so ridiculous like Jen is,
Speaker 4: people tend to pander to them a little bit and
Speaker 4: be like kind of like we meet them at their
Speaker 4: level and be like, yeah, like it's totally normal to
Speaker 4: dress like, you know, a circus conductor or whatever, like
Speaker 4: you know, blah blah blah, like right, but I don't, like,
Speaker 4: I can't think of you know, they're all I'll say
Speaker 4: this about salt, like, they're all pretty tough, Like they're
Speaker 4: not whiny, like they're they're all pretty tough women, and
Speaker 4: they can all bring it and they can all articulate
Speaker 4: their feelings pretty well.
Speaker 2: So great phrase, but I.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't totally. I can't remember who she was
Speaker 4: talking about, but yeah, it's a good phrase.
Speaker 1: And Mary saying that Mary's a criticizing that Lisa eats
Speaker 1: candy and taco bell and nutrients, which I like, it's weird.
Speaker 1: She's making some sort of logic though she's like there's
Speaker 1: no depth. It's funny, Like I think she's nuts, but
Speaker 1: I kind of understand what she's saying.
Speaker 3: Does that make any sense?
Speaker 4: She it was just criticizing that that she eats a
Speaker 4: lot of junk, but like I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like, you can't equate like food good
Speaker 4: like joic food with yeah, and like she's she's insinuating
Speaker 4: that it's like good food is like close to godliness
Speaker 4: or whatever, and I'm just like I don't.
Speaker 2: Buy that at all.
Speaker 4: Oh that's bullshit, like bullshit, and like everyone drinks a
Speaker 4: lot of soda in Utah, and like so what she
Speaker 4: eats Taco Bell?
Speaker 2: Like who cares?
Speaker 4: I don't think it's good to it to assign moral
Speaker 4: value to food for a bunch of reasons, but like
Speaker 4: least of all like as if.
Speaker 2: Like because that then it's like, well, you know, where
Speaker 2: are we going with this? Like I think that's so stupid.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't But my only thing that is like if
Speaker 4: I were Lisa, I wouldn't have even gotten triggered by that.
Speaker 2: I would have been like, yeah, you Taco Bell, that's.
Speaker 1: Oh right, that way, by the way, taking the bait
Speaker 1: is the biggest miss she.
Speaker 4: And she Okay, you know, when I retract my previous
Speaker 4: statement about Lisa, it's not that she doesn't like when
Speaker 4: people are mad at her.
Speaker 2: It's like she always takes the bait.
Speaker 4: She always says and like I one thing I do
Speaker 4: like about Meredith is that she's more like I'm not
Speaker 4: talking about this like this is so that's very you,
Speaker 4: and that's very me. I'm just like, if you, like,
Speaker 4: if someone criticized, like how much dick could I drink?
Speaker 4: Allowed to diet coke? If someone criticized me, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I'd be like do you have nothing? Like that's yeah,
Speaker 4: that's your hit, Like come on, bring the heat, like
Speaker 4: criticize something else if we're going to be here. But
Speaker 4: like I go to Taco Bell, like.
Speaker 2: Come on, get real. But she got so offended and
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 4: Well is it like what what is that triggering for
Speaker 4: you or whatever?
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, parenting, it's triggering.
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say. It's parenting. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: come on, Like it's twenty twenty three. Are we really
Speaker 4: at a place where we are criticis at women criticizing
Speaker 4: other women about their parenting, Like that's not cool. I
Speaker 4: really like, I don't have kids, but to me, even
Speaker 4: insinuating that you're not feeding your kids like the right
Speaker 4: food is just like, come on, anyone with eyes can
Speaker 4: see that Lisa is a good mom, a dedicated mom,
Speaker 4: and like she lets her kids go to talk about
Speaker 4: who doesn't like get.
Speaker 1: Okay, so correct, great, So this is a cruel group
Speaker 1: because you have the you don't have a husband, you're
Speaker 1: a shitty parent, like there's a you're a step granddaddy.
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of a cruel.
Speaker 1: It's a cruel dinner, a cruel group. And for me,
Speaker 1: I just thought it was so funny that Mary called
Speaker 1: the girl Jenny. I think that was who she called
Speaker 1: a chihuahua.
Speaker 2: It was a cruel dinner.
Speaker 4: It was just cruel, and a lot of the cruelness
Speaker 4: coming from Mary, who is supposedly, you know, the most
Speaker 4: pious person ever. So yeah, it was it was a
Speaker 4: it was a it was a heat heated dinner for sure.
Speaker 3: Little dirty, Yeah, little dirty.
Speaker 1: Okay, So well, anyway, oh my god, I know you
Speaker 1: guys have to go. I really want your book to
Speaker 1: hit the list. Tell me how I can help. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: Did you enjoy it?
Speaker 2: It was so fun? I mean I could talk about
Speaker 2: this all day, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you're very very good.
Speaker 1: There are certain people like Tory Spelling is amazing at
Speaker 1: this and Jenny McCarthy was amazing, Like you're really good
Speaker 1: and in a totally different way, like you're very analytical
Speaker 1: about it, and we're talking about religion and we're talking
Speaker 1: about legality and flaunting.
Speaker 3: So I love it. You're the greatest. Thank you, Thank
Speaker 3: you for.
Speaker 2: Dam you good to see you.
Speaker 1: Good luck, hustle, get sleep, hydrate because you're gonna get.
Speaker 2: You any activation. Thank you, Bye, guys.
Speaker 1: So Tinks was really helpful because she's it's like talking
Speaker 1: about the game to her with Tom Brady, Like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not because she hasn't played, so I guess I'm
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. But she's another like anchor on ABC Sports
Speaker 1: that I'm talking to sports about that really understands the
Speaker 1: game and we're breaking down the game.
Speaker 3: So I like that.
Speaker 1: We have sometimes people walking in that haven't seen the show,
Speaker 1: because you could see the Tinks had a favorite. She
Speaker 1: loved Meredith, so she's not agnostic, she's not unbiased. She
Speaker 1: has a favorite. She let us know who it is.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that too, at least you know it.
Speaker 1: So she's coming in with very, very analytical and institutional
Speaker 1: knowledge of this group, more than I have. But I
Speaker 1: have analytical and institutional knowledge of this series and of
Speaker 1: the franchise. So I thought it was really interesting. And
Speaker 1: we had pushedback, and she took it seriously, and she
Speaker 1: really you know, she wasn't like I said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: she's hosting, like she's not hosting or co hosting, but
Speaker 1: like she was driving a lot.
Speaker 3: I was deferring to her for a lot.
Speaker 1: So I love a fresh perspective and I love a
Speaker 1: seasoned perspective, which she had, and I love talking about
Speaker 1: religion and different dynamics on the show. I thought it
Speaker 1: was an interesting show. I don't know why we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about heathermore because I like her hmm.
Speaker 3: And I like Whitney, I like Lisa.
Speaker 1: I like a lot of the girls, but they were very,
Speaker 1: very nasty on this particular show. Lisa had a hot mic,
Speaker 1: which happens to everyone. I have not had that ever happen.
Speaker 1: That must feel so violating and not knowing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: when you find that out, maybe in a teaser, and
Speaker 1: you panic because you don't know what you really said.
Speaker 1: That's horrifying. That sounds dreadful. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: ever Maybe I had that with Jason at my surprise
Speaker 1: party for Bethany ever after, and it aired like what
Speaker 1: I said in the bathroom, and it's embarrassing. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. That sounds horrible. So it was great. She
Speaker 1: was amazing.