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Speaker 1: A Housewives party always calls for some drama. Jen Shaw

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Speaker 1: throws a Sinco de Mayo party where Jenny finds herself

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Speaker 1: at odds with Mary. Yet again, they call it Cinco

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Speaker 1: de Mayhem. I love these titles. I never noticed them

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Speaker 1: when I was on the show, and now looking at them,

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Speaker 1: they're hilarious. Sinco de Mayhem. The wheels come up real

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Speaker 1: quick after what seems just like a calm beginning, it's

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Speaker 1: just the Shico Sideways content creator and author of the

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Speaker 1: Shift Tanks joins me to break down this episode. This

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Speaker 1: is Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Season two, episode nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Sinco de Mayhem. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Do you look so good?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I decided that today that I have this.

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Speaker 1: Morning graduated to be an intermediate makeup.

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Speaker 2: Now you look.

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Speaker 4: You look really good a drug store. You're so good.

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Speaker 4: I love your videos. Your tiktoks are killing it.

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Speaker 2: You're so good.

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Speaker 4: I watch them and I follow your recommendations, like I

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Speaker 4: really believe you. It's it's quite the niche that you've

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Speaker 4: carved out for yourself.

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Speaker 2: It's cool. I want to say congrats, because it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's completely accidental because it was genuinely

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Speaker 1: like I've seen what you've talked about, and you care

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Speaker 1: about beauty, like you care about beauty and you care

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Speaker 1: about fashion, and I swear to God, I don't like

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Speaker 1: I have nice things. I care about expensive bags and watches,

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Speaker 1: but like I don't care about quote unquote fashion. And

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Speaker 1: I definitely did not care about any kind of branded

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Speaker 1: skincare of makeup, like I like theology because I've just

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Speaker 1: tried it at a spa, but it was very garage stale.

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Speaker 1: You go in my drawer and there'd be like a

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Speaker 1: random Loreal lip glass that I bought it, you know,

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Speaker 1: on a trip because I forgot when for an appearance.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what color. I just going to the

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Speaker 1: Middle and then I would have a biology because I

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Speaker 1: bought it at a spaw and I was with Paul

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Speaker 1: and he was paying. But like, I never had a

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Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, and I didn't know what cover Girl

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Speaker 1: also know how to do my own, like can I

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Speaker 1: do my own stuff?

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Speaker 3: For an appearance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's good.

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Speaker 1: So that's been a one year journey of learning to

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Speaker 4: And have any of the brands. I mean, I commend you.

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Speaker 4: I mean just even beyond the makeup, you you're really

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Speaker 4: just you're so honest and it's like, I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know people say that all the time and it's like

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Speaker 2: You don't fear like any any you know.

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Speaker 1: No, and you're in the impact zone. You're in the

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Speaker 1: impact zone because I'm you're in your thirties and I'm

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Speaker 4: No, but I think it's just about being established and

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Speaker 4: being like you have so many successful businesses, Like I mean,

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Speaker 4: that I don't tell the truth, but it's like you

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Speaker 1: It's not everything needs to be said, yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: don't need to take that. You're just doing a risk

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Speaker 1: the balance, And I agree, I would advise you and

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Speaker 1: not everything needs to be said for me. My publicist nos,

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Speaker 1: like that's who she is and she checked our balance

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Speaker 1: and she's good. So yeah. But but once in a while,

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Speaker 1: you know, I fly very close to the sun, as.

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Speaker 3: You can imagine. So yeah, trust me, it's not always.

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Speaker 1: I don't love it when it when when the ship

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love it, so I.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you. First of all, congratulations on

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Speaker 2: Book, cat It.

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Speaker 3: I love it and I love the way it looks.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, like you did a great job.

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Speaker 1: It's like exciting I get exactly what it is and

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm a week out and I'm very nervous.

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Speaker 3: I care a lot, like you want to hit the list.

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Speaker 2: I want to hit the list.

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Speaker 4: I do, of course, yeah, And I worked hard on

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Speaker 2: And I genuinely care about them, so I hope it

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Speaker 4: I'm not like the greatest person to be around when

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Speaker 2: But it is what it is. It'll come out in

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's very different like that doing the Today Show and

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Speaker 1: same anymore. And so are you cramming and jamming?

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Speaker 3: Are you doing everything.

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Speaker 2: Like five podcasts to day, like doing all the press?

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Speaker 1: Oh then you'll hopefully you gotta just you gotta just

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Speaker 3: You get an email.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but many people it happens a second weekend. You know,

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Speaker 3: But I was. I was older than you.

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Speaker 1: I was after probably thirty six when I did it,

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Speaker 3: I just jammed it.

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Speaker 1: I was with Simon and Schuster's touch Stonefireside. I know

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Speaker 1: I don't think I could do tonight at your age,

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Speaker 1: I could, I could not. I don't think I could

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Speaker 2: So don't lose Yeah, no, it's true, it's true.

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Speaker 3: Don't lose the plot exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a book deal, you wrote a book,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're in good shape, especially at your age.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, now this is crazy and stupid and this

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Speaker 1: show is so fun because it's like I'm talking to

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Speaker 1: this is not a show. I've only ever seen this

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Housewives one time for rewives, so it's

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Speaker 4: No, I watched the whole series when it was happening,

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Speaker 4: but so I rewatched this episode last night. But so oh,

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Speaker 4: remember but I watched so much Housewives that it's all

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Speaker 2: But so it was good to rewatch it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I watched it at the time, and it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Salt Lake is a really I didn't think

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Speaker 2: But I but I do. I care about Salt Lake.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the same level as Beverly Hills in New York.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I agree with you on one point that

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Speaker 1: And I never even wanted to watch it. I had

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna know more about this than I do

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Speaker 1: episode nineteen, Sinco de Mayhem. All right, so great, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So first of all, you're into fashion, so you can

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Speaker 3: What the fuck are you wearing?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck am I wearing? This is like that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I mean, I think Meredith looks good

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Speaker 4: I think she looks like like good. I think she

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Speaker 4: you there that it's wack a doodle time Like most

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Speaker 1: It doesn't you don't get the sense that this is

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think that that's kind of like what they I

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Speaker 4: I think that that's kind of I think it's very

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Speaker 4: like I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this. It's

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Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of label loving. Like

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Speaker 4: That's not true, and that's a very expensive habit to

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Speaker 1: Well, hold on, let's stop on that. Hold on, hold

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Speaker 1: your next stought. Don't forget your next stot.

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Speaker 1: Because number one, Beverly Hills is the biggest defender and

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Speaker 4: They taught differently because the Beverly Hills women they do

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Speaker 4: Like at least, like I think Deary looks good in

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Speaker 2: It's not for me.

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Speaker 4: But it's like it looks good. I think, like on

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Speaker 3: It's really very bad.

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Speaker 1: It is a tragically offensive fashion group, like tragically We

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Speaker 1: I'm on Housewives shows wearing nineteen eighty two Ralph Lauren

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Speaker 4: It's so crazy, Like really no one films without makeup,

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Speaker 4: for me, I love and I crave the older Housewives

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Speaker 4: when you guys are going to like the Benefits or whatever,

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Speaker 3: I did my own makeup.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to do We all know

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to do it, but we're real

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Speaker 3: I was calling Andy.

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Speaker 1: I was mad and offended and thought it wasn't real

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Speaker 3: I hate you, you know what.

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Speaker 4: I actually want to retract that same in a little

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Speaker 3: And it used to looks like she does her own too.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about it as a concept.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about as a concept. Yeah, I just feel

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, people you wear glam because you

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Speaker 4: have so many negative comments about your appearance. Otherwise, anytime

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going I'm fifty two and I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: the same boat as you. I just I just said

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Speaker 1: you're saying about them. They feel like we are now

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Speaker 1: it because that's winning.

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Speaker 3: That the whole world is.

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Speaker 1: Winning over being real on reality television. It's just it's lost,

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Speaker 1: it's fresh art, it's lost the freshness to it, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's just hard. I think we just

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's difficult to stand up and be like no,

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Speaker 1: Like no, Denise, remember Denise on that falcony. They were

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Speaker 3: What she was doing.

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Speaker 1: She walked into this, and she walked into Beverly Hills,

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Speaker 4: I feel like I should say that, say that about herself,

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Speaker 1: But that, let me just explain something to you. That's

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I said that's.

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Speaker 1: The person because it's funny that you mention this now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because later in the scenes saying do you like to

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Speaker 3: That is a producer.

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Speaker 1: N Yeah, that's a producer saying it and her not

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Speaker 4: That's insane though, because well I'm so naive. Okay, well

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Speaker 4: then yeah, I mean then if but she did it,

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Speaker 4: she did it? Yeah, Yeah, that was wild. I mean

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Speaker 4: the whole It's always interesting on Housewives when there's two

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Speaker 4: people who just like some people aren't supposed to be friends,

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Speaker 4: and nothing will heal that. And sometimes it's just like

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Speaker 3: Getting to that. We're getting okay, we're getting No, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: You can say anything at any times. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I got a whole thing on that too. I just

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Speaker 1: like so Kelly Bensone and Jill's Aaron was a made

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Speaker 1: I forgot who it was, like Carol and Ramona being

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Speaker 1: We're on Survivor. And you called it an alliance before,

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Speaker 1: seems like Mayor and Meredith aren't tracking to you and

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Speaker 1: they aren't tracking to me.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I forget, I forget what the history of their

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Speaker 4: friendship is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's more just like.

439
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Speaker 4: I don't know if there was some deeper reason, but

440
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,920
Speaker 4: they just to me, I'm like, why are you doing that?

441
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 4: But then I also get it because sometimes you have

442
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,880
Speaker 4: a person where like I've had that in my own life,

443
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 4: where someone doesn't really make sense but you just kind

444
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,840
Speaker 4: of vibe with them anyway.

445
00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 2: And maybe that's what Meredith felt for Mary.

446
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 1: I've had it too, but it feels very Reality TV.

447
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 1: Were they friends before the show?

448
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 4: No, or maybe a little knew of Mary's got this.

449
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 3: She's in the church.

450
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 4: It's not Meredith's not part of that church, but she's

451
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, a respected community. Mary is a

452
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 4: respected community member in a lot of instances and whatever.

453
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,399
Speaker 4: But Mary doesn't really have anyone else in, you know,

454
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 4: in that That's.

455
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,600
Speaker 1: What it's really like. Everybody needs, they need each other.

456
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 1: Something's feeling weird to me. So I don't know enough,

457
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 1: but something is feeling weird. And Mary Cosby, I didn't

458
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 1: know who she was. She did something on social media

459
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 1: that I guess was about me, or posted something I

460
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: posted like and I think it's positive, like you know.

461
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 3: Reiterating it said.

462
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 1: So I then looked over and people had said something about,

463
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 1: oh do you like Mary? Cosby and I'm like, I

464
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: don't know who that is. Which once that got me

465
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: in trouble for not knowing the Australian people because I

466
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: just don't know who Mary Cosby is. But now I'm

467
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 1: remembering her from this show. She looks very different on

468
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,919
Speaker 1: her social media. She looks very different in her interview.

469
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: She looks very like it could not even be the

470
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 1: same person based on her glamor. She has many looks,

471
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: and she looks very different this season to the season

472
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 1: before that. I didn't even think she was that same

473
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 1: person on the couch that said that that Jen Shaw

474
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: smelled like hospital.

475
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 4: They are also they just do not They are like

476
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 4: right this and and I mean they're both truly Like

477
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 4: I mean, Mary is in a way a great housewife

478
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 4: because she's had such an extreme personality and she's so

479
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 4: she never has like bend or like she's never bent

480
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 4: in her life.

481
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: She's never been like oh yeah, I see what you mean.

482
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 4: Or she doesn't even speak like a normal human, does

483
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 4: you know normal people are like oh yeah, yeah, okay,

484
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 4: I get what you mean, or oh yeah yeah.

485
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 2: She's like, I would never do that.

486
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't unfiltered in a very harsh and abrasive way, a.

487
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 2: Very intense way, you know.

488
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 4: And then there's a thing about she's married to her

489
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 4: step grandfather, so that adds another layer of like, you know,

490
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 4: the house, it's just interesting, you know, and it's like

491
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 4: it yeah, and so that, and then she she didn't

492
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 4: show up to the reunion I believe this time. And

493
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 4: so then that's when she got off because she didn't.

494
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: She's not okay, but she's coming back.

495
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 4: But they're going to have her back now because I

496
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 4: guess she had to skip a season. I know, what's

497
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 4: that clause? What's it called the the whatever clause whoever

498
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 4: it was, whereas if you.

499
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: Skip their reunion, you don't get to go the next season.

500
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 4: Oh I don't know that great, so so, but she's

501
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: apparently coming back, which, honestly, even though I don't vibe

502
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 4: with her that much in terms of her personality, I

503
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 4: do think she makes for the television the alooferal.

504
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

505
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, so I'm I'm actually she has like funny

506
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 4: one funny one liners, and and at least she's not

507
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 4: afraid to be her whole self on TV. So it

508
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 4: does make for interesting TV. Like I'm actually sad she's

509
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 4: coming back, and like, yeah.

510
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find her to be off putting. But in

511
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: some cases, like.

512
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: You understan rational coming from yeah.

513
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Off putting, rational, somewhat relatable because she's your inside voice,

514
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 1: like yes, I don't want to talk to you new

515
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: cast housewife about my husband, Like that's very literal. She's

516
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: very literal, and I relate to that because I'm a

517
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 1: very little so but I find her also off putting.

518
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: But I when I saw one on social media, she

519
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: seemed like you could understand where she's coming from. So yeah,

520
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: she's a quizical like enigma, this woman that I don't

521
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: totally understand, So okay, we'll put her to the side

522
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: from yeah, okay, yeah it was it was found out

523
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: that she has all these fake bags. First of all,

524
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: I want to mention, I want to ask, do these

525
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: people visit her or keep in touch with her after

526
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: her going away?

527
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: From what you.

528
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: Understand, No, it was only Heather till the end, like

529
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 4: who was literally like no, she's you know, she's my girl,

530
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 4: like until she got sentence and then she was like

531
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: oh wow, like okay, I was wrong.

532
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: So they all abandoned her, like after they knew.

533
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 4: I think that they knew, Like I think I think

534
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 4: it was Oh god, I think it was Lisa Barlow

535
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 4: on some other episode was like I've been hearing things

536
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 4: or like there was suspicions, like people had their suspicions,

537
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 4: which obviously would write. And then it just no one,

538
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 4: no one was really that bonded to her as a

539
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 4: person aside from Heather, so.

540
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: I was, you know, and unconditional love. It wasn't like

541
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: a best friend of twenty years.

542
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: I got into trouble, but howther was really like her

543
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: number one bitch until the end and then until she

544
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 4: got sentenced.

545
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: She duped them all. It's just so crazy.

546
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: I just the I mean, it is just wild that

547
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 4: you would come on a show after committing that level

548
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 4: of fraud and flaunt your bags and take people in

549
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 4: your closet.

550
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: I just I can't get over the fake bags.

551
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess some of them are fake and

552
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 4: some of them are real, but it's just like she's

553
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 4: so ostentatious and even.

554
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: That's but that's I mean, I love Theresa, but season

555
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: one paying for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars furniture

556
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: and cash and you and your husband go to jail

557
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: like this is not the first time.

558
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: And most of the people on these shows.

559
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: And I know, like straight up facts are all show

560
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: and no go, and they're fronting and stunting because there

561
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: it's the Kim Zolesiak model.

562
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 3: You take the gig.

563
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: You think, if you show your rich and you have

564
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: story and that's what people are gonna find interesting, You're

565
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: gonna then be able to catch up and make more

566
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: money to show that you're rich and be a person

567
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: that people find interesting. It's very rare for someone to

568
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: just be like I. That's why I spoke to Carol

569
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: and Manzo. I'm giving Carol and Manzol a shout out

570
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: because a couple of months ago I spoke to her

571
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: and we're just having a normal conversation talking about something,

572
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: and she said, now, I took a hit in the pandemic.

573
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: It was really hard for us. We had the chateau

574
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: or whatever her thing is, called her her her plate,

575
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: the man or the Man, yeah, whatever wherever she does,

576
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: she does her events. And she said, we took a hit.

577
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: It's been chat just a person being honest about their

578
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: financial circumstances. I also like Jacqueline Lorita that season saying

579
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: we're selling our watches. We're doing like, that's admirable.

580
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: It happens. It's America.

581
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: But what you have on reality TV is all these

582
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: people on all the shows everyone Beverly Hills, New York, Miami,

583
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: they're all front not they're they're mostly i'd say ninety

584
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: percent fronting and stunting.

585
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, ninety percent. Yeah.

586
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 4: I always joke that my number one hobby is worrying

587
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 4: about other people's finances because I'm doing the math and like,

588
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: and look, I'm dyslexic, Like you know, I'm not some

589
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: big numbers guy. But like when I'm watching the show

590
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 4: and I'm I know how much glam costs now because

591
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 4: I'm you know, I get it. Sometimes I know how

592
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 4: much clothes costs and I'm like, I know math, and

593
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: I'm like I'm and you.

594
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: Know, like she's not lending to them or Chanelle is

595
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: gifting to them. You know who they're giving to and

596
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: it's not sound it's crazy.

597
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: It's like to me, it's almost like the it's like

598
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 4: the other character and Housewives is the money spec Oh,

599
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: very smart.

600
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: I always say, by the way, I love you because

601
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: this is very okay. Tanks, I always say, and you've

602
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: lived in London and you live in New York City,

603
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: you get a New York City apartment. My apartment was

604
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. I sold it for it was public. Okay,

605
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: that was a four thousand square foot apartment. And so

606
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 1: for seven million dollars. In Beverly Hills you get to

607
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: live in Kyle's house on multiple acres.

608
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: So they get to.

609
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: Show more palation where we have to have Durinda look

610
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: like she's living in a small, shitty apartment when it's

611
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: really you know, it's a almost two million dollar apartment,

612
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: but two million dollars in the suburbs of Atlanta could

613
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: be eighteen thousand feet. So they get to look so rich.

614
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: So there's a disparity in the way things look. And

615
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills, the items and the luxury is another

616
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: character in the show.

617
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: It's in the b roll the back.

618
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 4: It's like, but it's all of them, it's all of

619
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 4: them spend so interestingly, it's so interesting what across all

620
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 4: the franchises, how people spend their money and what they

621
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: deem important or not in terms of finances, and like

622
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: what they're snobby about and what they're not snobby about

623
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 4: and look, it's everyone's prerogative to spend their money how

624
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: they want, but you can see how it gets to

625
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: be overwhelming trying to keep up with the glitz and

626
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 4: the glam of of everyone else.

627
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but they're spending because they're on the show.

628
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: They not. They did not this, I know personally.

629
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: Also, they did not spend at this clip off the show,

630
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: which is the Alex Simon bringing the cameras to Cavali

631
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: and spending thirty thousand hours when they then you know,

632
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: and you saw their place, like it's spending for the shows.

633
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 3: It's the Kim Zosiak model. It's a lot.

634
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: You know, there are rumors about a lot of different

635
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: housewives and is it really their house and.

636
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: Are they renting and is it bankruptcy.

637
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: I had a girl on our show rent the Lamborghini

638
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: like it's really for the cameras. And the thing is,

639
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: like you I'll say, like I got it going pretty good,

640
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: like and I'm very financially secure and I have a

641
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: very successful fiance.

642
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: And I don't roll like that, and I have one child.

643
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: Like I know the numbers too, I could do the

644
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: numbers too, And you're like, hold on, you're wearing a

645
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars outfit on just one day of filming, Like,

646
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: and I know you don't roll like that, and I

647
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: know what you make, like, I know you don't even

648
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: you don't make half a million dollars on a show,

649
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: and you're spending ten percent of what you don't make

650
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: in an outfit, Like it's not tracking because they're hoping

651
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: that the brand deals will come and then things will

652
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: come and the music will stop. That's what happened. That's

653
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: that's the Kim and Corey effect. So that's why I

654
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: talked about that, because it doesn't matter that it's Housewives.

655
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: It's America, and there people that are poor that have

656
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: made forty, you know, twenty eight thousand dollars a year

657
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: trying to support a family and they're paying their taxes.

658
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: So then people get in trouble and then they're they're

659
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: watching us on television and they feel betrayed because they've

660
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: been watching it as real. Yeah, it's a whole circular reference. Yeah,

661
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: I find it very fascinating, And here we go. Jen

662
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: Shaw is a perfect example.

663
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like but she I mean, but to me,

664
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: it seems like she was spending that way before the show.

665
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: To me, it seems Deen was just she was really

666
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: loving that money and she you know, she had the

667
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: bags and the opulence before, and she came in as

668
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 4: this sort of like over the top ridiculous.

669
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Oh who, So she was spending like the plan was

670
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: going down because she was playing with the houses money.

671
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: Well, I think, I mean, I just like she That's

672
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: kind of how she was introduced. Like there wasn't a

673
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: big like upswing between season one and season two in

674
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: terms of her or spending. Like she came in as

675
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 4: like I love Chanel, like that was her thing, so

676
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: like whatever, whatever.

677
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: She was always wearing that kind of stuff.

678
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: And it's like, but I think that also the newer

679
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: franchises have the advantage or maybe disadvantage of seeing what

680
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: works on the other franchises, so they're like, oh, like

681
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: everyone likes the rich, richest one, or like, oh it's

682
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 4: cool to ball out, and like that's what resonates, which

683
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: is interesting because like, actually, historically if you look at

684
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 4: the fan favorite, it's not it's not always the richest,

685
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 4: flashiest housewife. Like that's not what I think wins people over.

686
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 4: I'm the first to say I joke about this all

687
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 4: the time. Like I like my housewives rich, like I

688
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: like to see the private jets. I like to see

689
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: it's escapism, like I like to not you know, I

690
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: don't want anyone to be spending about their means so

691
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 4: that they can entertain me.

692
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 2: But like I like that stuff. But my favorite housewives.

693
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: Are certainly not the ones who are like balling out

694
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 4: the most. Like I like the it's a personality thing.

695
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: And even though America does love to have escapism and

696
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 4: like watch that, I don't think that collectively.

697
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: Our loyalty lies with like the biggest baller I.

698
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: Know, but you need them to play against something else.

699
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: You may like the straight You may think I'm funny,

700
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: but that's because I'm next to Paul, who's the straight

701
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: guy in the act. Like you need somebody for.

702
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: Them to play against.

703
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have that to compare it against it.

704
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes people think, you know, I was thought of is

705
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: the most relatable in the Greek course only because I

706
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: was queen of the dipshits, not you know, who knows,

707
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: Like maybe it's because of who I was paired with.

708
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but I would never be cast

709
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: now in that ikea apartment that I had, Like I

710
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: redid that apartment after my book and after I you know,

711
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: first was not flat broke, and I redid the entire

712
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: apartment for ten thousand dollars IKEA. That was me not

713
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: having the hot and cold sink things that came with

714
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: the apartment. Like that was my big you know, Jefferson's

715
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: moving on up moment. And they would never cast that

716
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: apartment now he as apartment was a problem for Bravo.

717
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: Really yeah, because that's not Aspery.

718
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: It's not Bravo, it's not what they want, it's not

719
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: they So so it's a it's a it's it's the

720
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: tail wagging the dog. Because the housewives are cast. If

721
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: they look rich, they don't have to be rich. They

722
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: have to look rich. And if they sort of look

723
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: rich but aren't really rich, it's even better because then

724
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a gen Shaw Toreese the situation in

725
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: Erica Jane's situation. So it's a circular reference that's maybe

726
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: not the best for the country, but the viewer is

727
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: watching right and you know, so it's an interesting conversation

728
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: and you're smart, so.

729
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: You get it.

730
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: So why are they talking about this memorial? Being fake.

731
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 4: So Meredith's father sadly passed away, and I guess they

732
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: are questioning whether there was a memorial because something about

733
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: gen Shaw's like arrest, they kind of felt like she

734
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 4: knew what was going to happen, Like that's what they're

735
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: accusing her of, if I'm remembering correctly, And she's like,

736
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: don't talk about my father, like whether there was a

737
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: memorial or not, Like it doesn't really mean.

738
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: It does read a little murky, and I don't know

739
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: what ended up happening, But the way she's defending it

740
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: so crazy.

741
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like be subtle.

742
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it seems like it's a why

743
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: would that even be a question that she had or

744
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: didn't have a memorial?

745
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: And did we find out right?

746
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: And if she did, you would just be like, yeah,

747
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: I was at his memorial, like fuck off. But still

748
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 4: like I don't know, I'm I'm I'm kind of like

749
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: bad in this way because I like, if I like

750
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: a housewife, I'll excuse their behavior.

751
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: And I really do like Meredith.

752
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm like, I'm like, you know, if she

753
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: didn't want to be there, if she found something out,

754
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: like I yeah, that's okay, like you know, she her look,

755
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: her dad did pass away, Like it's obviously a very

756
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: sensitive time, like you know, no, it's not good to.

757
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: Lie, but like I don't know, no, I understand, and

758
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: also being whether it was there were tracking the exact time,

759
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: like the time around a death is a time that

760
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: you're in mourning.

761
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: So you're saying yeah, and it doesn't really matter.

762
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: And it's like she would have been it took from

763
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: my understanding, she would have been there any way with

764
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 4: her family, whether there was a memorial or where there wasn't,

765
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 4: Like she's busy and and even if she was kind

766
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: of like, oh I found something out, I don't want

767
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: to be there. She's still mourning her father, and I

768
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: think she gets a free pass in that sense, like

769
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 4: I don't.

770
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, And it feels a little petty, and it

771
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: feels convoluted, and it feels very like made up housewives argument,

772
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of you know, discussion around this,

773
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: and it's feeling a little petty.

774
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: The help me.

775
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: Jesus and the religious talk like just thrown around is

776
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: so full. I call it like faux spirituality. When someone

777
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: in yoga is like this is your journey.

778
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: That's that's like they are.

779
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: That's that's how that that's salt Lake. And I actually

780
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: like it because it's like it's different, like it's.

781
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: It's like bless your Heart in the South. It's yeah,

782
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: And that's like.

783
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: You know, they do.

784
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: All of them have a very interesting relationship with religion,

785
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: which I really appreciate that they all kind of.

786
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: Talk about a lot.

787
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: And I mean, you know, Heather and her book Bad Mormon,

788
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: like she you know, left the church, Whitney left the church,

789
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: marry the super religious like church leader. You know, they

790
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: they all they all really bring that to the table.

791
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: And talking about spirituality and religion on America on television

792
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 4: is scary because this is a very opinionating.

793
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: I like it that they're having a conversation and you're

794
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: saying they have their own relationship with To me, they do. Overall,

795
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: there's a fraudulent vibe to.

796
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: It because because you're from me, because you live in

797
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: New York, and like no one in New York would

798
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 4: ever be like help me Jesus or even think about

799
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: that there.

800
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: It's like it's just no, I.

801
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: Don't care that they're saying help me Jesus.

802
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: But the way it's juxtaposed with some behavior like the

803
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: other girl said she was on a strip of pol

804
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: and God taught me to do that.

805
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: I think that they are still figuring it out, like

806
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: we won't understand because we were not brought up up

807
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: in the Mormon Church how difficult it was. And there's

808
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 4: a scene when actually Whitney, I think it's after this,

809
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: she writes some sort of a letter. You know, to

810
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: get out of the church is like a big hoopla,

811
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 4: like you have to do a lot of things and say,

812
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: but she signed something that's like I'm fully free of

813
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: the church. And it's like when you were brought up

814
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: that way, when you were brought up to think sex

815
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: is bad and you know alcohol is bad, and then

816
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you switch it like you still

817
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: have you still have the voice in your head of God.

818
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe they're trying to find a new

819
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 4: footing and new relationship right which I'm very into because

820
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, maybe they thought, Okay, well my

821
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: God actually does want me to dance on a No.

822
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm receiving what you're saying. You're saying like that

823
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: could be a rebellion. There could be there in between

824
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: two worlds the purgatories. Yea, yeah, I get what you're saying.

825
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying. But I do think they're

826
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: using it a little bit.

827
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, I'm I'm gonna I'll agree with you.

828
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: I'll see you.

829
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: I'll say I think that it's being like used a

830
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: little bit at their like as a as a tool

831
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: or a not a weapon, but like it's being used

832
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: a little I think religion as a concept is being

833
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: a little bit manipulated.

834
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 3: To tailor your your host.

835
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the But I hear what you're I

836
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, and I actually like it.

837
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: It's it's smart. I actually think it's I think it's

838
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: really smart. And Okay, so I love now this sanctimonious

839
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: your friend Meredith. I understand her being like, who's paying

840
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: for this party? But it's an interesting time for now

841
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: this to come up, like we know, you know, like

842
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: so now we're talking about the party and who's paying

843
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: for it, but the loophole is the husbands are.

844
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: Paying for it. Like oh, sorry, I skipped over apart. Sorry.

845
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: The Bachelor scene is like when they set up the

846
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: little table for the three women to sit at Mary,

847
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: Jenny and Meredith and they're talking about their relationships, and

848
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: I did understand why Mary does and want this like

849
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: forced relationship discussion with this girl Jenny that she seems

850
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: to just be turned off by.

851
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: She just doesn't. I've not.

852
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I've you can also on Housewives. So tinks you cannot

853
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: like someone on Housewives cause they're like in the way

854
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: and they seem fake or they don't.

855
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: You may like like them fine.

856
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: At a cocktail party, like, but when you're forced to

857
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: be around them all day and like you're supposed to.

858
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: Like stay see friendship, You're just like, get the fuck

859
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: out of the way. Right now, we're doing a real

860
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: big girl talk.

861
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: I've had that, and it's yeah, like I thought Jules

862
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: was perfectly lovely to girl on our show. She was fun,

863
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: she was nice. Even Tinsley sometimes I've pushed out of

864
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: the way, and I really like Tinsley. Sometimes you're on

865
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: the Housewives and like you'll say somebody to Tinsley and

866
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, I don't really want to talk about

867
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: that right now. You're like, okay, Hi, there are men

868
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: above you with cameras that are fifty pounds, So like

869
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about this either or on

870
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: the Housewives, so like let's put our knee pads on

871
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: and do the work. So sometimes you just don't want

872
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: to deal with someone in that environment, but in any

873
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: other situation you might be fine with them. But like, yeah,

874
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Jenny being her new best and she's going to do

875
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: therapy with she's turned off by just for arguments sake,

876
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm explaining like that it's a dynamic that could.

877
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: Be Yeah, I think that's a fair take, and I

878
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: think I will Yeah, I just think that Mary for

879
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: some reason has a major issue with Jenny. She doesn't

880
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: like her, and like I see why Mary finds Jenny

881
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 4: in this instance like kind of fake, like her question like, oh,

882
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: let's talk about her husbands. However, I will say that

883
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: I really commend Jenny because she was very honest about

884
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: like major issues in her marriage that has got to

885
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: be hard to talk about on TV. Her husband's like,

886
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: you know, he wants to have another kid, and she's like,

887
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 4: I really don't want to, and like then he suggests

888
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: that they start a poly polygamous marriage, like that they

889
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: should add a wife, and like that's insane, Like I

890
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: cann't do that. On TV like to me, and and

891
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: it was so clear she was so hurt and he

892
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 4: just wasn't getting it. And she did all of it

893
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: on Housewives in a very to me real way, Like

894
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: I felt like Jenny was really you know, showing it,

895
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 4: and so I like, I didn't have a soft spot

896
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: for her, but I was like, I definitely think she's

897
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 4: bringing it. I definitely think she's being real and Mary

898
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: just doesn't like her, and that's you know, that's okay.

899
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: Jenny's very like new girl like raw ra like I

900
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: want to talk about it, like I'm game for anything,

901
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 4: and that's like not Mary's Mary's vibes.

902
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 6: So uh huh good, I uh thank you, thank you.

903
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: No, you're very I like that You're like a good

904
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: This is good for me to do this with you,

905
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: because not just because you have institutional knowledge, but I

906
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: like your takes and we come from totally different sides.

907
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: So I'm agreeing with you that she can be She

908
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: seems slightly annoying just on the surface, right, I'm seeing

909
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: that she's making an effort as a housewife, Like I'm

910
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: seeing that she's like moving information and wanting to talk

911
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: and say we're not all supposed to be friends, like

912
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: you are in a different You're on a show, and

913
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: you're not hanging out with these people normally, so you

914
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: have to operate in your cubicle, workplace office where with people.

915
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: That you don't normally want to hang out with.

916
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: You know.

917
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: But I my first season or my second season, when

918
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: I was sitting with the guy Jason I was dating,

919
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: who did not want to be on at all, and

920
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: I had him beyond and we were sitting at.

921
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: A table, and I remember that scene and.

922
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: Wanted me to say, like, what about moving in together?

923
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: And he was like, we'll talk about it later, and

924
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: he said it all the times in my book.

925
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: It's seared in my brain. That's okay, is seared in

926
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 4: my brain, like I remember it.

927
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh.

928
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: So know that while it was real in the moment,

929
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: the whole circumstances of it weren't real because he didn't

930
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: really feel that way. But he was on camera right now,

931
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: right and now that is not what it was today.

932
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: They wanted me to be on that show really badly,

933
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: just like they did when I came back. So there were,

934
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, licenses they were willing to give and things

935
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: they'd go for in my life when I came back,

936
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have my kid on my boyfriend, but a

937
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: new house. So i'vee in twenty twenty three that wants

938
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: so badly to be on.

939
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: Those producers are.

940
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: Like, well, you're gonna have to talk about this, and

941
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna and we heard that, and you're gonna have

942
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: to talk about that, and if you're gonna do it,

943
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: your husband's gonna have to talk about this. And so

944
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: she's having side conversations when they're signing up, saying they're.

945
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 3: Not gonna let us do it if you don't talk

946
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: about it.

947
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: So, while I agree with everything you were saying that

948
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: you're saying, she was so open, I can smell a

949
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: little because the first thing when I saw the flashback

950
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: with the husband was like, this guy's dying. He can't

951
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: believe he's doing this. Why is he doing this? He's

952
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: not being paid a nickel, This isn't Jersey. The husband's

953
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: don't get pay And I'm thinking, from like my institutional

954
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: knowledge that yes, she's sharing all this, but I do

955
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: not know how much those producers needed her to so

956
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: split the difference, just letting.

957
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: You know that the difference, Yeah, yeah, split.

958
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: The difference that yes, she shared it and she went

959
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: there and she could have just shut down, to shut

960
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: down and not share it anything, Like, I understand what

961
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: you're saying. That gives me more perspective. She's playing the game,

962
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: is what.

963
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: You're both playing the game?

964
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: Yes, and the other woman Mary just can't stomach. Okay,

965
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: so what do you think about this whole party discussion

966
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: about your friend Meredith who is having a problem with

967
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: the party and who paid for it? And we start

968
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: with that with that discussion, it husband's actually paid.

969
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 4: It's it's jen Shaw's party, right, That's what it was.

970
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: It's Genshaw's party, which Genshaw didn't pay for, nor did

971
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: the husband's production paid for it?

972
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: Right right, right?

973
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 5: Right?

974
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: Right?

975
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

976
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then but then yeah, but then one.

977
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: Of the I'm trying to remember, but is it who

978
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: so production paid or is this the situation, because there's

979
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: there's some sometime on Salt like when someone paid for

980
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: Oh that was actually later sorry that's in season three.

981
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: But here it's everybody wants and Genshaw loves attention, and

982
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: you can tell she loves a party because the first

983
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: season she wanted to do that big party. So everybody

984
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: wants it to be their trip, right, their idea, and

985
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: there's no reason for that. You should want to sit

986
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: in the back.

987
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: Not me. Man, if I was on it, I'd be like,

988
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: you guys plan it, I'll shank you. Thank you.

989
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: It becomes this competition and people don't even know why

990
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: they're doing it. Everybody wants the finale. Luanne wants it

991
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: to be cabaret, Durinda wants it to be her charity.

992
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Everybody wants this. Ramona fought for the trips like her

993
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: life was depending upon. Everybody wanted it to be their thing.

994
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: If it's business, I'd want it to be my thing.

995
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: Like Mi Tequila trip, which was epic. That's different.

996
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: So here.

997
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: Someone owns the trip and gets to be That's why

998
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: the other girl going, it's really amazing Je. The new

999
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: girls like, it's amazing what Jen did.

1000
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: And she did.

1001
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: Gender do anything right?

1002
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: She did she didn't, she really didn't. And then she

1003
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: did something like you're a bad friend. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1004
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: I remember. I mean Jen is just like it's just

1005
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 4: she started digging a hole and she can't stop digging,

1006
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 4: Like why are you worrying about who hosts the party.

1007
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: When you are like guilty of fraud. I mean it's kind.

1008
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: Of right, like is that a diversion she's running down.

1009
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: She's wearing that hideous outfit with that hideous bombing belt

1010
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: that I actually have in other callers and want to

1011
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: throw away now as a result of that outfit, you

1012
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: know that you know exactly what I'm talking about, that bombing.

1013
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1014
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: So I really wonder if, like in the lead up,

1015
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: I really really wondered, like in her gut and I

1016
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: talked about this on my Instagram actually, I was like,

1017
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 4: in her gut, does she know that she's done something wrong?

1018
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: And I don't think right that she. I think that

1019
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 4: there's two types of people. I think there's people who

1020
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 4: are like, I'm going to commit a crime, like I'm

1021
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: gonna commit fraud, and I hope I don't get caught,

1022
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 4: but if I do, Okay. I think that in her

1023
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: head she's somehow manipulated it and she actually doesn't think

1024
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: she's in the wrong, because the way that she acts,

1025
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 4: like once she knows she's going to trial in jail

1026
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 4: and like crying, it's as if she genuinely believes she's innocent.

1027
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: And that's how she carried on until the end and

1028
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 4: it's like, I think it could be deflection.

1029
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: It could be like watch what Happens Live, delusion acting

1030
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: to the end like they didn't do anything wrong and

1031
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: they're victims. A lot of people act like they're victims

1032
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: of the system. Or it could be made off where

1033
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: it's like to the day before, you're still moving the

1034
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: money around in the accounts because.

1035
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: You have you've believed your own myth.

1036
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: That's so part of theest thing you're doing that you've

1037
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: believed your own myth.

1038
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 5: Well, and then in the next and then as this

1039
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 5: as the season goes on and whatever, jenn is still

1040
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 5: so involved in, like the drama of the ladies and

1041
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: like acting like, well, everyone has to be nice to

1042
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: me because like I'm going to trial and it's like,

1043
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 5: what are you talking about?

1044
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Like you're wondering what she's thinking now going backwards in particular,

1045
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: knowing what happened.

1046
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 4: And she's like, you know, how could you be I

1047
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 4: would be like sitting there freaking out, like in silence,

1048
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 4: not being like, well, you're a bad friend to me,

1049
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: Like there's bigger fish to fry, and it just it

1050
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 4: flabbergasted me. How in the weeds of the Other Housewives

1051
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 4: stuff she was into even given knowing. I mean, and

1052
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: again maybe that's deflection, maybe because it's like, well, what

1053
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: else can she do?

1054
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: What matter?

1055
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: What does it even matter?

1056
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I think it's that's very It's a great conversation.

1057
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: So there, and now we're going to get into it.

1058
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: So they coincide. The Congo line is something that like

1059
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: the producers like, I'd love to see you guys doing

1060
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: a Kongo line out, So that's a produced thing to

1061
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: get outside. And then we sit down and I just

1062
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: want to talk about the tone deaf snowflake necklace. And

1063
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: also you're going away for defrauding people or even be

1064
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: acute even being accused of that. So tinks you're accused

1065
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: of something that has anything to do with money, and

1066
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: now you're giving diamond saying and I'm the diamond in

1067
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: the center.

1068
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: No, it's insane, it's insane.

1069
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: But what did you think of Whitney's connection about Meredith

1070
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: having no problem taking the gift, but she didn't want

1071
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: to sit at the dinner Like it's a little bit

1072
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: of a reach. I know she's your friend in your head,

1073
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: but she it's a little bit of a reach.

1074
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a reach.

1075
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I don't know, I just felt like

1076
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 4: Meredith was like over this whole trip. She's not she

1077
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 4: wasn't like fully in it ever. I mean, what was

1078
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: she going to do. I guess you could say, no,

1079
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: I don't want the necklace. I guess that's a fine

1080
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: thing to do, but like that's more dramatic. Yeah, you know,

1081
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 4: that's like more like bringing the bunny back, like what

1082
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 4: you know.

1083
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like it's just kind of like, yeah,

1084
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: she was.

1085
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: She was just over it and wanted to do like

1086
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 4: the least like dramatic thing possible, and in her head

1087
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 4: that was it. I mean, that's yes, where my mind goes.

1088
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, okay, maybe I don't know.

1089
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: The Mary saying you don't have a husband, that just

1090
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: shows she has a scathing Ramona streak of like a

1091
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: vicious comment that just comes out of that was like

1092
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: vicious and unnecessary and related to nothing. And you have

1093
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: a skeleton in your own closet if it's wrong. I

1094
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: don't even understand what a step grandfather is, but it

1095
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: doesn't sound normal.

1096
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, And yeah, I think like that. I

1097
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 4: think that's why people have a big problem with Mary

1098
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: is because she if any of the women, like to

1099
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 4: your previous point, like, if any of the women.

1100
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: Do use.

1101
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 4: God or a relationship to religion as a as a shield,

1102
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 4: it's Mary Like She's definitely the most extreme where she

1103
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: feels because in her head, she genuinely feels she is

1104
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 4: like channeling God. There's an episode where she like, she

1105
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: does her podcast and she's like, I am basically God,

1106
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: like I'm God on Earth like whatever. And so I

1107
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 4: think why people have a problem with that is because

1108
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: obviously your relationship with God is your own, but it

1109
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: seems that if you were, you know, a steward of

1110
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,959
Speaker 4: God on earth, you would be more loving. And she's

1111
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 4: one of the most cold and like unloving people on

1112
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: the cast, Like she doesn't really have empathy or like

1113
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 4: a warmth for anyone.

1114
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: So I think that that's.

1115
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: One of the ways why people find it like her

1116
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: a little bit difficult to swallow.

1117
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: There's a conversation about this blanket thing that was bizarre too,

1118
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: just saying like can you get me like A, I

1119
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: doubt that's going to happen, Like it's a another random shot.

1120
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.

1121
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 4: It a it's a it's a spicy trip in terms

1122
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 4: of housewife strips, it's high tension really, everyone like there's

1123
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: no passive aggressive aggression.

1124
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: People are just like come out swinging.

1125
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: It was yeah, right, but then yeah, but with Whitney

1126
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: saying everyone is to be the same and we have

1127
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: to be consistent. Like everyone's trying to figure out. It's

1128
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: so funny. They're trying to do the math. Like someone's

1129
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: saying to Jen, Jenna's saying, I've been a good friend

1130
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: to you, and then Jen's like saying that, or uh, Lisa,

1131
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Lisa saying she's been a good friend to Jen Shaw

1132
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: and because she's just being honest, and everyone's trying to

1133
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: like vie for the definition of what a good friend

1134
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: good friend And that's another interesting one. And it boomeranged

1135
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: on Lisa for jumping in.

1136
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, boomerang, she jumped in and she got yeah, so

1137
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 6: that's what happened, right, right, right, So she she's like,

1138
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 6: don't turn this on me, and then she storms off

1139
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 6: and she turns on Meredith and she's like no.

1140
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no, and she's Lisa's very like concerned

1141
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: with being in the right and I don't think she

1142
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: likes when people are angry at with her, which like

1143
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: fair enough, Okay, those are two things that are very common,

1144
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 4: Like I don't like when people are angry at me either,

1145
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 4: but you know, she gets she can kind of sometimes

1146
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: like start a fight and then like she goes to

1147
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 4: her room, she like doesn't finish kind of thing, you know,

1148
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 4: So I like, but yeah, boomerang back on her. They're

1149
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 4: all very concerned with like, well I should. But that's

1150
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: like a common thing of like I showed up for you,

1151
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: because the loyalty on Housewives, like it's it can be

1152
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 4: shaky because unless you are true, like honest to god

1153
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 4: friends off camera, you do kind of have to go

1154
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: off of like this loyalty on the show. And you

1155
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: think that that means something. You think you're putting in

1156
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: chips with someone and then they turn around and bite

1157
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: you know.

1158
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: But the definition of it is very bizarre because for me,

1159
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: it would be like Ramona would say, I showed up

1160
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: at your whatever, so I don't know, I didn't come

1161
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: to my whatever, and I'm like, I didn't, I didn't

1162
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: want I don't care if you came to my whatever,

1163
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go to your whatever because

1164
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: that's a whatever, Like it's some dumb, made up brand

1165
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: jewelry party that she's throwing, and the chits on this

1166
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: series are invite her, don't invite her. I want her

1167
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: to show up when I don't. Some people don't care

1168
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: about being invited to anything.

1169
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like this this.

1170
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: Thing about showing up, and I don't know what that

1171
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: actually means.

1172
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: That's why.

1173
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: That's actually why I asked you if anyone visited Jenshaw

1174
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: in jail, because I was wondering. You know, it'll come

1175
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: back six years when the Housewife is still going on

1176
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: and she gets out and we'll hear about how nobody

1177
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: visited her in jail.

1178
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it would. It would have only

1179
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 4: been Heather. And then I think I think she I

1180
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: think Heather, from my understanding, felt like fully lied too,

1181
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: because she fully didn't. I think that until like the

1182
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 4: last day, Jen was like, no, dude, I'm innocent. Like

1183
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 4: it's fine, I'm innocent, and Heather believed her.

1184
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: There's an honesty to Heather's relationship to religion that you

1185
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe that I have that I believe like that.

1186
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: I think my take was genuinely that like Whitney's kind

1187
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: of like sarcastic and like, yeah, God made me get

1188
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: on the poll, like whatever, Like I cut just.

1189
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: The way she speaks. But I really do believe.

1190
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 4: I believe her journey, and I believe that it's complex,

1191
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: and I believe she's living in authenticity with who she

1192
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 4: wants to be now, and I believe that with Heather too.

1193
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: I think that they're just on different paths and came

1194
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 4: to it at different times. But I actually like, I'm

1195
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 4: sad they're they're not in the greatest place now anymore.

1196
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: But I actually like, I actually like both of them

1197
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: as you're the best.

1198
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: You love You're like, I don't know, so you're really

1199
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: speak you know these people you're invested.

1200
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's invested. Guys think invested.

1201
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you watch in a different way, which I really

1202
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: like you invested.

1203
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: I like, you're a real fan of this franchise. Yeah, yeah,

1204
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: that's amazing.

1205
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: Well okay, so, so I love the phrase that Lisa

1206
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: used about these girls emotionally coddling. She's like, I don't

1207
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: need to be emotionally coddling these people, Like I just it's.

1208
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: Just whether you believe what she was saying or not.

1209
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: I like the expression.

1210
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 4: It's a good it's a good expression. Yeah, it's I

1211
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 4: think I don't. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a

1212
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 4: great expression. I don't really think anyone emotionally coddles anyone

1213
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 4: else on that show, apart from maybe Heather to Jen

1214
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 4: in at this point in time. I think that she

1215
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 4: was like, sometimes when someone is so ridiculous like Jen is,

1216
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 4: people tend to pander to them a little bit and

1217
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 4: be like kind of like we meet them at their

1218
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: level and be like, yeah, like it's totally normal to

1219
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 4: dress like, you know, a circus conductor or whatever, like

1220
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: you know, blah blah blah, like right, but I don't, like,

1221
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 4: I can't think of you know, they're all I'll say

1222
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 4: this about salt, like, they're all pretty tough, Like they're

1223
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 4: not whiny, like they're they're all pretty tough women, and

1224
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 4: they can all bring it and they can all articulate

1225
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 4: their feelings pretty well.

1226
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: So great phrase, but I.

1227
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 4: Don't I don't totally. I can't remember who she was

1228
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 4: talking about, but yeah, it's a good phrase.

1229
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: And Mary saying that Mary's a criticizing that Lisa eats

1230
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: candy and taco bell and nutrients, which I like, it's weird.

1231
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: She's making some sort of logic though she's like there's

1232
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: no depth. It's funny, Like I think she's nuts, but

1233
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: I kind of understand what she's saying.

1234
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 3: Does that make any sense?

1235
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 4: She it was just criticizing that that she eats a

1236
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 4: lot of junk, but like I don't, I don't know.

1237
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 4: I'm kind of like, you can't equate like food good

1238
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: like joic food with yeah, and like she's she's insinuating

1239
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 4: that it's like good food is like close to godliness

1240
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: or whatever, and I'm just like I don't.

1241
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: Buy that at all.

1242
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 4: Oh that's bullshit, like bullshit, and like everyone drinks a

1243
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: lot of soda in Utah, and like so what she

1244
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 4: eats Taco Bell?

1245
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: Like who cares?

1246
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: I don't think it's good to it to assign moral

1247
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: value to food for a bunch of reasons, but like

1248
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 4: least of all like as if.

1249
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Like because that then it's like, well, you know, where

1250
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: are we going with this? Like I think that's so stupid.

1251
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 4: I wouldn't But my only thing that is like if

1252
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 4: I were Lisa, I wouldn't have even gotten triggered by that.

1253
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: I would have been like, yeah, you Taco Bell, that's.

1254
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: Oh right, that way, by the way, taking the bait

1255
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,479
Speaker 1: is the biggest miss she.

1256
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: And she Okay, you know, when I retract my previous

1257
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: statement about Lisa, it's not that she doesn't like when

1258
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: people are mad at her.

1259
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: It's like she always takes the bait.

1260
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: She always says and like I one thing I do

1261
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 4: like about Meredith is that she's more like I'm not

1262
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 4: talking about this like this is so that's very you,

1263
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 4: and that's very me. I'm just like, if you, like,

1264
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 4: if someone criticized, like how much dick could I drink?

1265
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 4: Allowed to diet coke? If someone criticized me, I wouldn't.

1266
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 4: I'd be like do you have nothing? Like that's yeah,

1267
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 4: that's your hit, Like come on, bring the heat, like

1268
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 4: criticize something else if we're going to be here. But

1269
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 4: like I go to Taco Bell, like.

1270
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: Come on, get real. But she got so offended and

1271
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: it's like.

1272
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: Well is it like what what is that triggering for

1273
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 4: you or whatever?

1274
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, parenting, it's triggering.

1275
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say. It's parenting. And it's like, oh,

1276
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 4: come on, Like it's twenty twenty three. Are we really

1277
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: at a place where we are criticis at women criticizing

1278
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 4: other women about their parenting, Like that's not cool. I

1279
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: really like, I don't have kids, but to me, even

1280
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 4: insinuating that you're not feeding your kids like the right

1281
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 4: food is just like, come on, anyone with eyes can

1282
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 4: see that Lisa is a good mom, a dedicated mom,

1283
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 4: and like she lets her kids go to talk about

1284
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 4: who doesn't like get.

1285
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: Okay, so correct, great, So this is a cruel group

1286
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: because you have the you don't have a husband, you're

1287
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: a shitty parent, like there's a you're a step granddaddy.

1288
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: Like it's kind of a cruel.

1289
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: It's a cruel dinner, a cruel group. And for me,

1290
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: I just thought it was so funny that Mary called

1291
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: the girl Jenny. I think that was who she called

1292
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: a chihuahua.

1293
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: It was a cruel dinner.

1294
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: It was just cruel, and a lot of the cruelness

1295
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 4: coming from Mary, who is supposedly, you know, the most

1296
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 4: pious person ever. So yeah, it was it was a

1297
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: it was a it was a heat heated dinner for sure.

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Speaker 3: Little dirty, Yeah, little dirty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So well, anyway, oh my god, I know you

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Speaker 1: guys have to go. I really want your book to

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Speaker 1: hit the list. Tell me how I can help. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: It was so fun? I mean I could talk about

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Speaker 2: this all day, you know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you're very very good.

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Speaker 1: There are certain people like Tory Spelling is amazing at

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Speaker 1: this and Jenny McCarthy was amazing, Like you're really good

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: and in a totally different way, like you're very analytical

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: about it, and we're talking about religion and we're talking

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00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: about legality and flaunting.

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Speaker 3: So I love it. You're the greatest. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 3: you for.

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Speaker 2: Dam you good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, hustle, get sleep, hydrate because you're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: You any activation. Thank you, Bye, guys.

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Speaker 1: So Tinks was really helpful because she's it's like talking

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00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: about the game to her with Tom Brady, Like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not because she hasn't played, so I guess I'm

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. But she's another like anchor on ABC Sports

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Speaker 1: that I'm talking to sports about that really understands the

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Speaker 1: game and we're breaking down the game.

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Speaker 3: So I like that.

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Speaker 1: We have sometimes people walking in that haven't seen the show,

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Speaker 1: because you could see the Tinks had a favorite. She

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00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: loved Meredith, so she's not agnostic, she's not unbiased. She

1328
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Speaker 1: has a favorite. She let us know who it is.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate that too, at least you know it.

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Speaker 1: So she's coming in with very, very analytical and institutional

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Speaker 1: knowledge of this group, more than I have. But I

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Speaker 1: have analytical and institutional knowledge of this series and of

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Speaker 1: the franchise. So I thought it was really interesting. And

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Speaker 1: we had pushedback, and she took it seriously, and she

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Speaker 1: really you know, she wasn't like I said in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: she's hosting, like she's not hosting or co hosting, but

1337
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Speaker 1: like she was driving a lot.

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Speaker 3: I was deferring to her for a lot.

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Speaker 1: So I love a fresh perspective and I love a

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Speaker 1: seasoned perspective, which she had, and I love talking about

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Speaker 1: religion and different dynamics on the show. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was an interesting show. I don't know why we didn't

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Speaker 1: talk about heathermore because I like her hmm.

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Speaker 3: And I like Whitney, I like Lisa.

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Speaker 1: I like a lot of the girls, but they were very,

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Speaker 1: very nasty on this particular show. Lisa had a hot mic,

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01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: which happens to everyone. I have not had that ever happen.

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Speaker 1: That must feel so violating and not knowing. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: when you find that out, maybe in a teaser, and

1350
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: you panic because you don't know what you really said.

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01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: That's horrifying. That sounds dreadful. I don't know if I've

1352
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: ever Maybe I had that with Jason at my surprise

1353
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: party for Bethany ever after, and it aired like what

1354
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: I said in the bathroom, and it's embarrassing. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know. That sounds horrible. So it was great. She

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Speaker 1: was amazing.