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Speaker 1: Hello, they're happy Wednesday. Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast. We are creeping ever so closely to the

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Speaker 1: end of October, which doesn't mean just Halloween and trick

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Speaker 1: or treat candy boy Friday Night Halloween. Man, that is

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Speaker 1: let's just say for communities that go crazy for Halloween,

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Speaker 1: oh the poor dogs, right, it's going to be later nights,

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Speaker 1: louder kids, all this stuff. It's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun for people of a certain age. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be a really rough night for our canine friends

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Speaker 1: on that front, that's for sure. Friday Night Halloween. Who

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Speaker 1: I know here in d C. Georgetown used to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun for Halloween. Madison, Wisconsin, that's a

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Speaker 1: big Halloween place. There's a lot of great Halloween college

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Speaker 1: towns and celebrations. So always on the lookout for that.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course, if it's the end of October

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Speaker 1: and your name is Chuck Todd, all you think about is, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's an election day coming up, because it's November. And

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Speaker 1: every November, whether it's an odd number and even number,

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Speaker 1: there is enough important state wide elections that we have

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Speaker 1: to give a darn. So this is a political Junkie episode.

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Speaker 1: Just warning up front, I'm going to do my sort

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Speaker 1: of dive into how I'm watching the twenty twenty five elections.

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Speaker 1: I got John Ralston, one of the political gurus I

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Speaker 1: like to tap into out west. He's publisher and founder

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Speaker 1: of the Nevada Independent. I've known him since he was

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Speaker 1: the guy that had the Ralston Political Report. He's basically

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Speaker 1: been the man to understand Nevada politics for years, but

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Speaker 1: really bigger than that these days. On that front, He's

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Speaker 1: got a new biography coming out of Harry Reid coming soon,

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Speaker 1: so we spend a lot of time doing ww HD.

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Speaker 1: What would Harry do in this current situation with the

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Speaker 1: budget shut down? What would his advice be for Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say I hope Chuck Schumer's folks aren't listening

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Speaker 1: to this episode. They may not love everything they hear

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Speaker 1: from the grave when it comes to Harry Reid, but

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Speaker 1: it is a I've known John a long time, and

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Speaker 1: as I think a lot of you have known it.

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Speaker 1: When I have guests where we know each other a

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Speaker 1: long time, that only these conversations go deeper and into

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Speaker 1: some rabbit holes that only a political junkie can love.

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Speaker 1: So given that this is also Top five Day, I've

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Speaker 1: got a fun top five list that's campaign twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six related, if you will. It's not necessarily your normal

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Speaker 1: rankings that you're going to expect from me monthly. My

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Speaker 1: more monthly Senate rankings will be coming up starting in

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Speaker 1: November again on the early part of that. But I

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Speaker 1: do have a fun top five list. We'll do some questions,

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Speaker 1: so the interviews with Ralston, but let's kick things off,

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Speaker 1: and more importantly, I got a fun announcement. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be doing a election night live stream with my

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Speaker 1: friends Chris Salizza, the Decision DEAHQ, folks who are going

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Speaker 1: to be providing the data that I'll be using. They'll

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Speaker 1: be calling elections. I promise you you'll be getting probably

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Speaker 1: election results faster in our live stream and their Twitter

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Speaker 1: feed than anywhere else in legacy media or internet media.

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Speaker 1: We will have a cavalcade of political stars, everybody that

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Speaker 1: It's almost like Jerry Lewis's telethon. I'm going to bring

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Speaker 1: everybody in so you'll have my friend Chris Saliza you

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Speaker 1: have that. We'll start from there, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: start our coverage six thirty pm. Go Live. We'll be

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Speaker 1: We'll have some great graphics provided by Decision Desk. We're

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Speaker 1: just going to have a good time. It is an

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Speaker 1: election result coverage designed for people who eat, breathe, and

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Speaker 1: this is how you're going to and you're at all

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Speaker 1: curious what's happening on election night, whether it's the Virginia

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Speaker 1: finish second in New York City mayor can Mom Donnie

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania judges, mayor's races, the referendum out west. We're going

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Speaker 1: If there is a race that hasn't been called, we

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Speaker 1: We won't have rank ass sort of crappy tree that

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Speaker 1: the most important election we will hold until the next one.

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Speaker 1: I love sort of. I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 1: I've been exhausted. I've covered the most important presidential election

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Speaker 1: this is easily the most important Virginia governor's race I've

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Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, I do think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: If you don't subscribe to that substock, you should. It's great,

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Speaker 1: it's terrific. He has a fun science and tech bent

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Speaker 1: these are in some ways, yes, there are some national

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Speaker 1: a few fun facts about Virginia. Right since nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: finishing second instead of Cuomo. The point is is, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of fluidity in this in this race, still,

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Speaker 1: is there an excited base of mam Donnie's that shows

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Speaker 1: up and overwhelms things. Could Cuomo's The difficulty to find

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Speaker 1: Cuomo even on the ballot, he have to go way

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Speaker 1: down if you look at the ballot, but it goes

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Speaker 1: like Mamdanni Curtisely, while the Republican nominee than Mamdanni, Working

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Speaker 1: Families party and the you got to keep going until

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Speaker 1: you find Cuomo's name on the ballot. How much a

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Speaker 1: drop off effect that is? I will tell you this.

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Speaker 1: There is a history of candidates running on third party lines,

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Speaker 1: either as independents or third party candidates, who underperform their

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Speaker 1: their poll number, while major party candidates who are polling

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Speaker 1: lower like Courtessly, while the Republican nominee end up doing

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Speaker 1: better than what they were polling. And part of it

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Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of people are just habit

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Speaker 1: voters and they going, oh, hey, honey, who do we

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Speaker 1: vote for? We're Republicans, right, I'll pull the Republican ticket.

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Speaker 1: So the point is is that I think we all

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Speaker 1: think there's that what we're seeing in the polling is

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Speaker 1: probably only directionally correct but not necessarily numerically correct. And

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Speaker 1: there's I think of, you know, there's a variety of

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Speaker 1: ways Mamdani wins that creates different storylines. Mamdanni getting the

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Speaker 1: sixty percent is a real message to the entire Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party and probably freaks out the leadership in ways we

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Speaker 1: haven't seen yet. I'm Donnie getting less than fifty percent

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Speaker 1: reassures a whole bunch of Democrats that if a Democratic

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Speaker 1: Socialists can't get a majority in New York City, where

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Speaker 1: can a Democratic Socialist get a majority? And frankly, he

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Speaker 1: can't get fifty percent, he's probably gonna have a hard

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Speaker 1: time governing because he will automatically. There hasn't been a

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Speaker 1: mayor elected in New York City with less than fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote since John Lindsay in the late sixties,

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Speaker 1: So that stuff matters, right, That's the difference between saying

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Speaker 1: you have a mandate or not. So I think those

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Speaker 1: are the ways I'm watching those three races, we're also

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Speaker 1: you know, if I will say this, I think a

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Speaker 1: democratic sweep of the two state wides, plus the victory

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Speaker 1: in California, which seems pretty assured now with the new map,

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Speaker 1: and avoiding any upset in the retention races of the

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Speaker 1: judges in Pennsylvania where conservatives are trying to see if

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Speaker 1: they can house to do a vote no on one

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Speaker 1: of the retention races for the Supreme Court in pennsyl.

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Speaker 1: I do think that foreshadows that twenty six will set up.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a democratic gear. The question is how

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Speaker 1: good of a year could it be for them? Anything

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Speaker 1: less than that right chedda ally winning New Jersey Boy,

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Speaker 1: that would, to me, would foreshadow that this is going

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Speaker 1: to be a more knife fight type of midterm than

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Speaker 1: we realize. That we're still pretty evenly divided. You know,

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Speaker 1: a strong Mamdani victory could really complicate a lot of

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Speaker 1: democratic primaries and really start to see more progressive feel empowered.

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Speaker 1: And then that and you just have more contentious primaries

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Speaker 1: in the left, which could create problems in general elections.

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Speaker 1: And the way that you had contentious primaries on the

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Speaker 1: right during Trump's first term and even in the latest

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two which those eventually would cause problems in

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Speaker 1: general elections, right where Republicans would lose generals if they

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Speaker 1: had they not had the bad primary, they would have won.

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Speaker 1: You know, are there races like that on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: side if this happened. So that's why what happens here

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Speaker 1: will tell us. We'll give us sort of a few

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Speaker 1: of the directionally, let us know where things are headed.

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Speaker 1: Where's things headed inside the fight for the soul of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, where's the nation as a whole? Right?

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Speaker 1: How do we feel about incumbents in general? We've seen some,

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Speaker 1: you know, we are It's not a great year for

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Speaker 1: incumbent mayors, right, Eric Adams is out. The mayor of

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Speaker 1: Seattle got put into a runoff. He could lose. That's

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Speaker 1: something we're going to be following in our election night special.

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Speaker 1: The mayor of Pittsburgh already lost in a primary. So

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Speaker 1: there's there's you know, by the way, Seattle, I think

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Speaker 1: it's re elected a mayor and five tries they keep

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Speaker 1: having new mayors. So you know, it's not quite a

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Speaker 1: big enough trend to say, hey, this is Nashville. But

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Speaker 1: you feel the there's a there's certainly this isn't an

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Speaker 1: incumbent friendly environment. It's another reason why I think I'm

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Speaker 1: a little you know why. I think Cheryl has just

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Speaker 1: slightly worse odds to win than Spamberger. She's replacing a

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Speaker 1: Republican administration, where Cheryl is wanting to succeed a fellow

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Speaker 1: Democratic administration. I just think her jobs a little bit

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Speaker 1: harder in an environment like this. But the important thing

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Speaker 1: to realize about these elections is they're not local elections

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Speaker 1: that only impact things locally. There's a lot to learn

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Speaker 1: from them nationally, and they will. They will tell us

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Speaker 1: something about where things are headed. So come spend election

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Speaker 1: night with me and all of my dorky and nerd

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Speaker 1: friends that just love politics, love campaigns, love dissecting election results,

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Speaker 1: love trying to figure out what this means for reading

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Speaker 1: the tea leaves going forward. So with that, I'll sneak

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Speaker 1: in a break here for you everybody listening on the

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Speaker 1: extended podcast. Got my friend John Ralston for a deep

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Speaker 1: dive really into WWHD what would Harry.

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Speaker 2: Reid do in this current moment in time. Let's sneak

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Speaker 2: in that break. I'll see on the other side.

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Speaker 1: And joining me now is John Ralston, somebody I have known. Jeez,

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Speaker 1: it's now. I've only had two employers, and I've known

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Speaker 1: him during both of my during my stints at both employers,

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Speaker 1: I guess working for myself means it's my third employer.

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Speaker 1: But John Ralston does what I've been thinking about, and

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Speaker 1: then I follow in his footsteps. So, mister Ralston, it's

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Speaker 1: nice to see you.

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Speaker 3: It's nice to see you, Chuck. Just for everyone's reference,

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Speaker 3: it was two thousand and eight when we became an

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Speaker 3: early state then I first met you, and I want

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Speaker 3: to tell your audience not the flatter you, but you

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Speaker 3: have been good to me ever since. You have promoted

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Speaker 3: me wherever you could, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I actually think we go back to my hotline days,

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Speaker 1: which is before eight. Back during those days.

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Speaker 3: I certainly knew who you were back at the hopital.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, you deemed to communicate with the rule back then.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, man man ah, But I digress. Look, you've done,

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Speaker 1: you know, for you know, it's interesting you've done. You've

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Speaker 1: been in the world of sort of political expertise journalism

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Speaker 1: before that was cool. Now you were doing independent media

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Speaker 1: before it was cool, sort of just before everybody else

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Speaker 1: gets there. So I'm dead serious. You sort of you

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Speaker 1: jump into a space before everybody else, does you seem

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Speaker 1: to be Were you that way as a kid or

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Speaker 1: are you the first one to jump off a cliff

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Speaker 1: into a body of water thinking yeah, it'll be all right?

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Speaker 1: Were you that guy?

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Speaker 3: I guess I've been a risk taker, and I've been

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Speaker 3: told that before that. I've been a risk taker my

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Speaker 3: whole life, even by my siblings to some extent.

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Speaker 1: Oh so you were that sibling.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that. I mean, was it risky

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Speaker 3: to try to dunk over my brother when we had

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Speaker 3: a nine foot rim? Maybe that was a little risky.

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Speaker 3: I didn't hurt myself too.

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Speaker 1: I love that you don't forget that dunk over here brother, Right,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to forget that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do not forget that because he became a

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Speaker 3: much better athlete than I was. But seriously, I guess

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Speaker 3: what I've done is a journalist, chuck, And you've done

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Speaker 3: this now too. I tried to adapt to the changing times.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when I started covering politics in nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 3: there was no such thing as the Internet. You know,

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Speaker 3: the cycle was twenty four hours at least and maybe

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Speaker 3: even longer, and you didn't have to worry about what

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Speaker 3: happened while you were on the phone with someone that

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Speaker 3: you might have missed, right, And so the velocity with

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Speaker 3: which information moved, And so I've tried to adapt to that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, my my nonprofit that I run now,

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Speaker 3: I started almost nine years ago. Again, shout out to

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Speaker 3: Chuck Todd for the early support on that, and I

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Speaker 3: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Not independent.

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Speaker 3: It has been the roller coaster ride and the best

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Speaker 3: thing I've ever done. But it's I still think nonprofit journalism,

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Speaker 3: independent journalism is the future. Chuck. I'm just not sure

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Speaker 3: how the for profit model in the way that it

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Speaker 3: is just now, unless you're a billionaire, is going to

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Speaker 3: pencil out.

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Speaker 1: Well. I want to have a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: conversation about that, because I'm I hear you on that argument.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready to concede it. I'm not saying or not.

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Speaker 1: You may be right, but I'm not ready to concede

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Speaker 1: the for profit. But I want to get to that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to start there. I actually want

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Speaker 1: to start because what I I want to actually start

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Speaker 1: because I feel like you're in an incredible position. Look

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Speaker 1: in theory you're on here. You've got a new book

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Speaker 1: on Harry Reid, sort of which I think is going

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Speaker 1: to be the definitive work on Harry Reid. And I

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Speaker 1: think Harry Reid knew you'd probably be the person to

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Speaker 1: write that. And I want to get into that because

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Speaker 1: it has a lot about the future of the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party and what's going on there. But I first want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Nevada and Las Vegas because in some

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Speaker 1: ways now, and I was thinking about this and preparing

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Speaker 1: for my interview with you, I think, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you're the pre eminent swing state in America,

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Speaker 1: even if you won't be the deciding state in America.

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Speaker 1: And let me let me say what I mean by this,

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Speaker 1: which is, there was always a saying as such, and

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Speaker 1: huts goes, so goes America. We had Peoria. I wonder now,

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Speaker 1: if Clark County, specifically Nevada in general is the Peoria

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Speaker 1: of the twenty first century, how's it playing in Peoria?

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Speaker 1: Nevada was its unique economy for a long time. It

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Speaker 1: would be an early warning sign about economic recession coming

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Speaker 1: because it was quote unquote extra money that people had

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Speaker 1: that would spend in Nevada. But now, to me, Nevada

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Speaker 1: is the economic model of Nevada today might be the

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Speaker 1: future of a lot of states. The service industry being

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Speaker 1: a primary employer. We're all going to be service industry employees.

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Speaker 1: It's in some form or another. I know I'm preaching

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Speaker 1: to the choir on this, but as somebody who transplanted

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Speaker 1: from another swing area of the country, Buffalo, and went

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Speaker 1: to school in another swing state in Michigan, here you

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Speaker 1: are in Nevada, I just feel like it's a state

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Speaker 1: filled with people from everywhere else and collectively it is

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Speaker 1: now the twenty first century. How's it playing in Peoria?

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Speaker 1: I need to know how's it playing in Vegas? And

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Speaker 1: I have an idea where working class America is. Well.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't have made the case better than you just did, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: And you know there's a hashtag for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we matter, right, But I do think to some expence.

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Speaker 1: But you lived it. You've been there before this happened.

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Speaker 1: You've you've been an eyewitness to this. So you tell

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Speaker 1: me it in your words.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting because you mentioned of the book

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Speaker 3: and I'm just here to shamelessly promote the book. But

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Speaker 3: the book doesn't just talk about Harry Reid and how

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Speaker 3: he went from coming from nowhere in Nevada to becoming

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Speaker 3: the most powerful democrat in the country. It's about the

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Speaker 3: evolution of the Vada along with Harry Reid, and it

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Speaker 3: has changed. You know, I am sure there was still

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Speaker 3: the caricature that some people still have of that's just

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Speaker 3: the casinos on the strip or is the mob still there?

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Speaker 3: People want and only did the mob really beat up

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Speaker 3: Harry Reid? And is that what happened to his eye?

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Speaker 3: And this kind of stuff. But what's really happened since

641
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Speaker 3: I moved here in nineteen eighty four is and you

642
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: mentioned Clark County, which is where Las Vegas is, which

643
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: is worth seventy percent of the population is and the electric.

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Speaker 1: Still today, right, still still today, and it's it's but

645
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Speaker 1: that's a decreasing share. It used to be eighty percent, right,

646
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Speaker 1: whether they go upwards there or I don't think it

647
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: ever always be Okay, I.

648
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Speaker 3: Don't think it ever. It did get into the load

649
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: the mid seventies at one point, and it's starting to

650
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: grow again because of the explosion of independent voters and

651
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: motor voter law. But what's really happened is and you

652
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: mentioned that the service industry, the changing demographics of Nevada.

653
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Speaker 3: Nobody talked about the Hispanic vote in Nevada when I

654
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 3: started covering politics in nineteen eighty six. That's almost all

655
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: anybody talks about now. And there's even a significant Asian

656
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: American vote and a still robust African American vote, And

657
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: so Las Vegas has become a melting pot. Sure, it's

658
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: that weird city that with those miles long of casinos glittering,

659
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: and that's how that's what drives the economy. But you

660
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: can make a case, even if you look at the

661
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: electoral results that as Nevada goes, so goes the country.

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Speaker 3: And especially true I think chuck of the Democratic Party

663
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: and why the Democrats here again and this comes full

664
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Speaker 3: circle to two thousand and eight, are trying to make

665
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Speaker 3: the case why Nevada is most representative of what the

666
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: Democratic Party needs to be, needs to appeal to and

667
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: we should be wait for it first in two thousand

668
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: and eight to decide the nominee. That's the case that

669
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Speaker 3: we're reflective of the nation.

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00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: No, it is, I think the only challenge you have

671
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Speaker 1: to be first in the nation. I think you're going

672
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Speaker 1: to be among the first contests. What I would say

673
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: is just simply geographic diversity, right like it is. It is.

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Speaker 1: If you just own Vegas, you win. Right now. It's hard,

675
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: it's not easy. It's it's increasingly inexpensive. Well, I'm old

676
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: enough to remember when targeting Nevada is a cheap state,

677
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: and now I think the Las Vegas media market, because

678
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: of the saturation issue, is among the most expensive to penetrate,

679
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: because of our heart, because of how dense it is,

680
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: so you get big bang for your buck and all

681
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: of that. But I think it's the only thing that

682
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Speaker 1: harms you. A good to me, A good first to

683
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: the nation is a small state that has some geographic diversity,

684
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Speaker 1: right Iowa was, you know, if you think about it, Iowa, Nebraska,

685
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: Kansas all sort of offer that probably Nebraska is the

686
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: best of the three because Omaha actually has some diversity

687
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: right where there's not of ethnicity and there's African American population.

688
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: You don't really have that as much in a little

689
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: bit in Kansas City, Kansas. But you don't really have

690
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: it there. You guys have the diversity issue. But I

691
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: don't know about the geographic diversity, the cultural and ethnic diversity.

692
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Speaker 1: That's my only concern for you guys to get first.

693
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Speaker 3: Well, I am concerned about that, but we will continue

694
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: to lobby for it in every venue that I'm on,

695
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: including the truck.

696
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Speaker 1: At no I get it. I get it, I mean,

697
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: and I'm a huge advocate of small states going first. Ultimately,

698
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: that is the best way for us to get a

699
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: measure of these candidates, and it's the only time they

700
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: can expose themselves physically to vote in ways you won't

701
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: get in Michigan, you won't get in Florida, you won't

702
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Speaker 1: get even in Arizona.

703
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Speaker 3: It's harder to do in Nevada too, as it is

704
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 3: in Iowa or New Hampshire. Right to just go into

705
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: all these different venues in Las Vegas doesn't even have

706
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Speaker 3: the obvious coffee shop that you should go to or

707
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: go to.

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Speaker 1: Restaurant arena probably has a little bit more of that, right, right,

709
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: exactly exactly so when you see.

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Speaker 4: You know.

711
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I find myself is I still

712
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: think when people say they're from Las Vegas, I'm always like, well,

713
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: where else are you from? And then I catch myself

714
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Speaker 1: because you know what, I grew up in Florida. When

715
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Speaker 1: I surprise people growing up in Miami, No, I'm born

716
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Speaker 1: and raised in Miami. Wait you were born in Miami.

717
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: I still feel that way when I hear people say, wait,

718
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: you were born in Las Vegas. My last public relations

719
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: person with NBC is born and raised in Las Vegas,

720
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, of course, there's a whole generation. But

721
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: if you're of a certain age, you still think of

722
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Speaker 1: Las Vegas as a day destination place, not necessarily an originator.

723
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I think that's still true. And you

724
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: still find some people here who when when you ask them,

725
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: where are you from originally, and they said, well, what

726
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: do you mean I was born here? That that is

727
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: unusual to find.

728
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: That is still unusual.

729
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: It's still unusual. I don't have the actual numbers at Handchuck,

730
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: but it's still pretty small. Although they they are still very,

731
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: very active, and all of them are understand the politics.

732
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: Not all of them, but a lot of them understand

733
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: the politics and the changing nature of Las Vegas. I mean,

734
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: Las Vegas had changed even to an extent I didn't

735
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Speaker 3: realize in twenty twenty four, and we talked about the

736
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: potency of the culinary union and the so called read

737
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: machine which was integrated with them. There it started to

738
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: be cracks forming that I didn't think were as big

739
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: as they were, and they were emblematic of what happened nationally,

740
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: right with Latino men suddenly gravitating towards Trump and he,

741
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: I have to tell you, he was very smart to

742
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: do the no tax on tips thing here in the VAT.

743
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Speaker 3: I think it made much more of a difference here

744
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Speaker 3: than people think.

745
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Speaker 1: You know that It's funny. You know, remember during the

746
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: early days of the woke conversation, there was a movement

747
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: that said, Hey, I just want to be heard. I

748
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: want to feel seen. To me, what no taxes on

749
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: tips meant Trump saw these people doesn't mean his policies

750
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: were going to be the right answer. Doesn't mean those

751
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: folks thought that Maybe even thought, well, these no taxes

752
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: on tips, what's that even going to look like? But

753
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: he said it, so at least he sees us. He

754
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: knows it's hard, he knows this isn't easy. That's what

755
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: I think my friends on the left fail to understand, Like,

756
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: why does Trump connect well just by simply saying it okay?

757
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,479
Speaker 1: It seems like an impossible thing to actually put into law, right,

758
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: But it's like building the wall. What voters heard was, oh,

759
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: he's serious about immigration. Doesn't mean they were necessarily believing

760
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: he was going to build a wall, where the left

761
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: would say he's never gonna be able to build a wall.

762
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: That's not the point, am I is that how you

763
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: sent no taxes on tips plate.

764
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Speaker 3: I think you're right. And I think that the left

765
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: and especially the far left, thought that just saying Trump

766
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 3: is bad, Trump is evil. Have you seen the things

767
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 3: he said? And he's going to do that would be enough.

768
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 3: But that is kind of the haughtiness of the left

769
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: that really became more and more pronounced. I think through

770
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: the cycles and they took certain things for granted here

771
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: and elsewhere, and I think that was a real problem.

772
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: And whatever else you think about Trump, you're right. He

773
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: had these messages that resonated, symbols that resonated with people

774
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: and people who they began to feel that the Democratic

775
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: Party had taken them for granted. That made a lot

776
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: of promises that just weren't there. Now, this was not

777
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 3: a huge thing, Chuck, but it was enough in these constituencies.

778
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: As you well know, doesn't take much to change the election.

779
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: This is still a tight state, right, I mean here,

780
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, I find it you feel I feel like

781
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: you learned a lot from twenty four about the electorate,

782
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: and it both confirmed some suspicions, but it also seemed

783
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: to make you rethink a few pieces of conventional wisdom

784
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: that you frankly helped set. Give me a few of

785
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: the highlights. What did what did you get? What do

786
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: you think you got wrong that you're that you're correcting,

787
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: and what do you feel like you were you saw

788
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: first before other people were noticing.

789
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: You know, there are actually signs I think in twenty

790
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: two Chuck of things changing when Joe Lombardo, Republican candidate

791
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: challenged the democratic governor. And governors here are so powerful

792
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: the legislature barely meets form one out of twenty four

793
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: can do all kind. It's very hard to beat an

794
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: incumbent governor in a Jenert it's a.

795
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: Single I always say this. The only thing harder to

796
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: do is beat a sitting president. I think that's right.

797
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: And the second hardest thing to do in politics is

798
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: defeat a governor that's running for a second term. Once

799
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: you start running in states, that allow third and fourth terms.

800
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: That's a different story. But we are usually as an electorate,

801
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: and this is true in all fifty states. We're inclined

802
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: to give a governor a second term unless they're a

803
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: total and complete disaster.

804
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: I think that's right, and I think that there were

805
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: some signs in twenty two and Lombardo upset Steve sis

806
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: like it was a very close race, but the margin

807
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: in Clark County, which as you know, and I won't

808
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: bore everyone with the so called Clark County firewall, where

809
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: the Democrats we're so they're so populous down here, they

810
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: had a huge advantage registration and they were able to

811
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: turn out those folks. Now, some people will say it's

812
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: no coincidence that Harry Reid died at the end of

813
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and then twenty twenty two showed some slippage,

814
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: and then twenty twenty four of the reading machine could

815
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 3: not pull Harris over the top.

816
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Speaker 1: Here.

817
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: Now, the Democrats still did well down ballot in both

818
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: of those years. But I think what I missed was

819
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 3: was and this has to do with the Culinary Union too,

820
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: which is half Latino as you know, a little bit

821
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: more is that they don't have the kind of sophisticated

822
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: political operation they once did. I think that was an issue.

823
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Speaker 3: And I think again, this slippage, whether it was no

824
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: tax on tits, whether it was a young latinos saying

825
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: you know what, as Trump would say, what kind of

826
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: chance are you take? And what you know? What have

827
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: you gotten so far? Why not try me? And I

828
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: think I missed that that slippage was going on. But

829
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Speaker 3: you know, we'd like to say, Chuck, elections are about

830
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 3: a lot of things, issues and interest groups and campaigns,

831
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: but they're about math. And if the Democrats could not

832
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: make the math work in Clark County, than they were

833
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: going to lose. And I still thought barely barely that

834
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 3: they could still make the math work enough to beat Trump. Now,

835
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: I will say one other thing about the conventional wisdom

836
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: about the electorate here, I am not so sure that

837
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: there is any conventional wisdom anymore about the electric And

838
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. There's been this explosion of non

839
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 3: major party voters here in Nevada. And I mean there's

840
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: more of them than there are either Republicans or Democrats.

841
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Now, this had been a trend even before motive voter,

842
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: though right.

843
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: Not as pronounced though, Chuck. And what happened once motive

844
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: voter passed is they had you know, if you don't

845
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: register as a party, then you're automatically put as a nonpartisan.

846
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: Now they've adjusted that a little bit, but you still

847
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: I look at these figures every week because I'm not

848
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: a normal person chalk and like to see all this data.

849
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Speaker 3: And I see, you know, sixty more Democrats, sixty more Republicans,

850
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: and two thousand more nonpartisans.

851
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: Now, I wonder if that's a if that's a commentary

852
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: on politics where the average person is like, hey, I'm

853
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: not interested in identifying with either party in front of

854
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: somebody else. I'm going to just be be that Like

855
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: it's it's almost it's easier to virtue signal as and

856
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: independent these days than it is as a partisan. Are

857
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: a partisan?

858
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: D There's no question that's going on here in everywhere truck.

859
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: But I also believe, and I've used the term zombie

860
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: voters to describe some of these folks who will never vote.

861
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: And how do you, let's say it's two thousand a week,

862
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 3: how do you figure out what number of those two

863
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: thousand or ones you should go after that they really

864
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: still care that they may vote. Those are harder to find.

865
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: Do we register D or R?

866
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: What? Look you talk to these statewide strategists? Are they

867
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, is either party offering them a welcome basket?

868
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: Are they like, Hey, you just registered to vote. Let

869
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: me tell you a little bit about urg I mean,

870
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: you know both of us. If kids go to college, right,

871
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: you go in and student organizations or join my organization,

872
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: joined my Do the d's and the rs make a

873
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: case to these new voters or do they just ignore them?

874
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: So one of the reasons I thought Trump would still

875
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: lose here in twenty four is the Democrats have always

876
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: done a much better job of targeting here than the Republicans.

877
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: It's not even close to The Republican Party has generally

878
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: been very inept here. There have been some outside groups

879
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: that have formed that have done some things, But the

880
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: Democrats explicitly told me, people I trust that we know

881
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 3: who these Democrats in independent clothing. You know, Mark Melman,

882
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: the Democratic poster, once told me that there's no such

883
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: thing as an independent John. You just got to strip

884
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: off their clothing to get to their jersey. I'm not

885
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: sure that's so much true anymore. By the way, Jackie

886
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: told me that about ten years ago. But the Democrats,

887
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: I thought that they had targeted enough and they were

888
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: going to turn them out. But the Republicans haven't done

889
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: that much. Although I will say that the infrastructure erected

890
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 3: by the new governor Joe Lombardo after twenty two, looking

891
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: ahead to twenty four, I think has helped the Republicans.

892
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: They want to say that. They like saying now the

893
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: Lombardo machine has supplanted the Red machine. We'll see, well,

894
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 3: we'll see a lot about that, both in twenty six

895
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 3: and in twenty eight. Lombardo's up in twenty six.

896
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: You are assuming that's going to be a competitive race.

897
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm way.

898
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: We just got done discussing how hard it is to

899
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: knock off it income the governor, so I'll admit I'm skeptical.

900
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: But the sitting age is a formidable candidate, so I

901
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: don't want to dismiss mister Ford.

902
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: So here here's the issue, though, Chuck, Yeah, we're still

903
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: a purple state. The registration number between Democrats and Republicans

904
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 3: are very very Lombardo has good numbers, I wouldn't say

905
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: invincible type numbers in a purple state. But he has

906
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: very good people around him. He does have the advantage

907
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: of incumbency, and he will raise way more money than

908
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 3: either the age or his prime. He has a primary

909
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: opponent at least right now too, who is the chairwoman

910
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: of the Washoe County Commission. But Ford himself, while very

911
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: ambitious and has wanted to know, has known where he's

912
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: wanted to be for a long time. Here, he has

913
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: some real baggage and it's starting to come out. And

914
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: you know this better than anybody. It came out that

915
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: he had traveled he was out of state a third

916
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: of the days last year. Now, imagine if you're a

917
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: campaign consultant what you can do in ads with that.

918
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: And they are beating that drum every day. Lombardo has

919
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: a pack that sends out messages on social media and

920
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: to reporters inboxes every day just on that issue, and

921
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: they have him supporting a so called sanctuary state bill.

922
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: I think that it's a little of an exaggeration, but

923
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: that term is thrown around somewhat recklessly by Republicans. So

924
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: I think Ford's an underdog. He's probably a six or

925
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: seven point underdog. But what Lombardo was worried about the

926
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 3: most I think is what is the Trump factor? We

927
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: don't know what are his numbers going to look like.

928
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 3: And Lombardo, I'd like to say he's done a pretty

929
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: good job of threading that needle. The Democrats like to

930
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: call him Maga. He's not Maga, but he has done

931
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: enough speaking of virtue signaling to Trump to make them

932
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: keep Trump at Bay.

933
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting there's just three Republican governors in

934
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: excuse me, four if you count the Vermont governor. But

935
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: I weirdly he's sort of he's kind of more of

936
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: an aberration than the other three. I want to make

937
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: a point about, and that is you have Glenny Unkin

938
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: in Virginia, Brian Kemp and Georgia Joe Lombardo Nevada. Point is,

939
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: these are places where Joe Biden carried the state right,

940
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: and then, of course the case of Virginia, Kamala Harris

941
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: also carried. It's not lost in me that the Republicans

942
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: that win there are a little less Maga, right whatever

943
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: that you know. And in another on Earth too, Joe

944
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: Lombardo is a is one of the leading candidates for

945
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: president in twenty twenty eight for the Republican Party. And

946
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: yet I you know, despite what Nevada partisans might think,

947
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: he's nowhere near He's not maga, all right, You and

948
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: I both know he's not nearly maga enough to be that.

949
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: And he because he never could have won office anywhere

950
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: had he been. Do they have ambition beyond the state

951
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: of Nevada?

952
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: Does Lombardo?

953
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

954
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, he's not a guy who wants I mean,

955
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: he kind of was an accidental candidate for governor. He

956
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: had served two terms as sheriff in Clark County, and

957
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: some guys came to him and said, you know what,

958
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: you're the perfect profile. You're from southern Nevada, you have

959
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: a bay. We just need to cut into the Democrats,

960
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: and you're the best guy to do it. And I

961
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 3: think Laard was more like that sounds like a neat

962
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 3: thing to do well.

963
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: It was sort of very similar to the Younkin strategy

964
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: in Virginia, which was, yeah, he was a little conservative

965
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: for northern Virginia, but not an out but not a

966
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: virus right, not where everybody would be allergic to it.

967
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: And he and he could he had a guy smiley

968
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: type of sales salesman looked to him, which was he

969
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: wasn't going to carry northern Virginia, just like Lombardo wasn't

970
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: in Kerry Clark County. But he wasn't gonna get blown out.

971
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 3: Now, I remember, Siciliac lost to Lombardo by fifteen thousand

972
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 3: points a point, fifteen thousand votes a point and a half, Chuck,

973
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: and I still believe that because of the Democratic machine

974
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 3: they got him that close. I mean, Siciliac had a

975
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: COVID hangover to deal with, there was.

976
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: A lot of money he shut the strip. I mean,

977
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: who's going to be the Nevada governors shut to shut

978
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: the strip? I mean, you know that's that's going to

979
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: be the historic explanation for why you get And.

980
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 3: There was a scandal that he had to deal with

981
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: about one of his close friends and donors, Sons, getting

982
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 3: a COVID testing contract which with the state, which Lombardo's

983
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: team brilliantly exploited. So I think in some ways Cisilac

984
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: was lucky to only lose by a point after by

985
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: the way, Chuck, I should mention so everyone knows Cisilac

986
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 3: has not taken himself out of running. In twenty twenty

987
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: six and if he believes Ford is weak enough, he

988
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 3: might get into that race.

989
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Are there people trying to talk him into

990
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: it or is he trying to talk people into supporting them.

991
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: It's still latter for sure. It's going to be very

992
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: difficult for him to raise money now. He has some

993
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: personal wealth, it's unclear how much, but he wants back

994
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: in the game. I think mostly for redemption because he

995
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: thinks what happened was really unfair, that he did the

996
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: best he could with COVID, that this scandal was blown

997
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: out of proportion, et cetera. And so that can be

998
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: a very powerful motivator for someone.

999
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: What is how would you so? I had a friend

1000
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: of mine who uses who frequently travels to Vegas to

1001
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: play poker, and he talks about the few times that

1002
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: he's been there when it felt a little light, meaning

1003
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: there weren't as many people around, and he described that

1004
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: very recently. Is this a Canadian thing or are we starting?

1005
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: Is this the Canarian the coal mine on the overall

1006
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: nation's overall economy?

1007
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I think it might be what you

1008
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: just said. And there have been stories talking about the

1009
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 3: Las Vegas economy and the issues that exists.

1010
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: Now.

1011
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: The Canadian thing is not insignificant. People may not know this.

1012
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: I think the numbers twenty seven percent of our answer.

1013
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: Is much bigger than I remember reading that number. I

1014
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: went wow. And you know, Orlando's experiencing a similar Canadian falloff,

1015
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: which is impacting the theme parks in Orlando. I mean,

1016
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, Canada may only be the size of California,

1017
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: but California's pretty big state.

1018
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: Exactly right. But that's only part of it, Chuck. There

1019
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: are some people here who think that the fears over

1020
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 3: the immigration policies have affected this because of the large

1021
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 3: Hispanic populations and the number of Hispanic visitors that we

1022
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: have gotten in the past. But one factor that's really

1023
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: just endemic to Nevada is that people are starting to

1024
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: think that these companies don't provide a value proposition anymore.

1025
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: Remember there's been large changeover and who owns these places,

1026
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: and the fact that they're charging twenty dollars for a

1027
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 3: bottle of water, doing all kinds of little things. Originally

1028
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: this was just bubbling up on Reddit threads, but now

1029
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: it's become much more mainstream. The Convention Authority is seeing

1030
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 3: it in their post visitation surveys and visitation has been

1031
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: going down. If, by the way, if it weren't for

1032
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: Baccarat and the high rollers losing all their money at Baccarat,

1033
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 3: then numbers would be even worse.

1034
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Interesting, And so it's more of the corporatization of the

1035
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: casinos and that mindset, because you know, the whole point

1036
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: of Vegas was, oh, you can get a cheap room.

1037
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: Why can you get a cheap room because they're making

1038
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: They're gonna make money on you in other ways. You know,

1039
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: it's interesting, John Is this is the same complain about

1040
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: disney World, where Disney World is so expensive now and

1041
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: then they make you buy access to a short pass

1042
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: or whatever, so the no line thing, and but all

1043
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're charged all these different subsets of money.

1044
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: That used to feel Grottis and Vegas was the town

1045
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: of Grottis.

1046
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely right. And by the way, I went to Disney

1047
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: World for the first time with my family and my

1048
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: brother's family, and I know exactly what you're talking about.

1049
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: Last year.

1050
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 3: That was really something. But Vegas that is starting to

1051
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: becomeing viewed now. And as I said, there's been several

1052
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: national stories talking about this kind of backlash uh, and

1053
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: so it's not like we're in a recession, but there

1054
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: are real worries about about the economy. I think, by

1055
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: the way, that could have a u impact on the

1056
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: governor's right.

1057
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was just going to say. I

1058
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: mean that that is, you know, when America gets a cold,

1059
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: economic cold, Nevada gets the flu, which has always been

1060
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: this is why it's like usually the first place you

1061
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: see sniffles, right, And that's what That's what my friend

1062
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: was reacting to. So let me ask this. There's always

1063
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: been an effort to diversify the Nevada economy. There's only

1064
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: so much diversification when when when you're when Vegas is

1065
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: what it is. But what kind of progress has been

1066
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: made on diversification? What's real data centers?

1067
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's been data centers that have been

1068
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: other tech stuff, A lot of it in Reno, by

1069
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Speaker 3: the way, or near Reno, where Tesla has this gigafactory

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Speaker 3: as you may know, and Apple and Google have interests

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Speaker 3: up there. Not as much in Clark County as you

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Speaker 3: might think. The big push now and there's going to

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Speaker 3: be a special session of the legislature to decide this

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Speaker 3: is whether we should become Hollywood East. Mark Wahlberg and

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Renner, both of whom live here have residences now

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01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 3: in Nevada, are pushing this. It's a film tax credit built,

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Speaker 3: which has been very controversial both here and elsewhere. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of evidence elsewhere that it has not worked

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: out as well. But they're saying this is going to

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Speaker 3: create all kinds of jobs, create a new industry here.

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Speaker 3: I still think, Chuck, it's very, very difficult to diversify

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Speaker 3: this economy for the reasons that you understand. The gaming

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01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 3: is just so dominant, and listen, I think there have

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01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 3: been some really good, smart people who have tried to

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Speaker 3: do this at the state level and at the local

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Speaker 3: convention authority level. But it's very, very difficult. And I

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01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: don't think that building a huge studio in summer, which

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Speaker 3: is what the proposal is, is going to totally change

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Speaker 3: the dynamic. It may be good for the state, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Movie tax credits or the riverboat casinos of the twenty

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Speaker 1: first century, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: That there are some people who think that this is

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Speaker 3: this is again talking about math, This is just getting

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Speaker 3: to the right number of votes in the legislature to

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Speaker 3: get this done.

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Speaker 1: So what happens is the initial hit feels good. The

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Speaker 1: film tax credit in Santa fe in New Mexico, the

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Speaker 1: film tax credit in Atlanta. You get like one big entity.

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Speaker 1: You got it in Atlanta, you got it in New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you know, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. My son goes to school

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Speaker 1: in Dallas. He's now discovered. He and his friends have

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: discovered eight it's under twenty. If you're eighteen, you can

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Speaker 1: gamble in Oklahoma. Well, the second Texas gets casinos, nobody's

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: traveling to Oklahoma. So, and that's what I mean by

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01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: the riverboat craze, where you know, it made sense until everybody,

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01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, oh well, now you know we used to

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: have the only place to gamble on the East coast

1110
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: in the mid Atlantic was in West Virginia. And then

1111
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: Maryland happened, and then Delaware happened, and then you know,

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So it's like why Mohegan Sun

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01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: and Connecticut really hurt Atlantic City? I mean, you get

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Speaker 1: where I'm going. That's what this film tax credit feels like.

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01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: Everybody does it and then when everybody does it, then

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, what have you created? Right on

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01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: that front? So I get that, but what about energy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I were to to me, the most

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Speaker 1: realistic way to diversify the economy is to sort of

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Speaker 1: double down on energy, right, whether it's solar, whether it's

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Speaker 1: these portable nuclear plants. Although I know yucka mountains a

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Speaker 1: whole separate conversation, but it feels as if the energy

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Speaker 1: industry in theory could be a place to go.

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Speaker 3: No. Yes, And then you know, there's been a lot

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Speaker 3: of controversy, lady, because there's this huge solar project that

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 3: was planned and Trump has slowed that down and they

1127
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 3: may even be canceled, and so they're trying to save that.

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Speaker 3: But you also have the very very powerful utility monopoly

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01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: here that's owned by One and Buffett by the way,

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01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 3: that has blocked a lot of these efforts because they

1131
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 3: want it for themselves if it ever happens. And so

1132
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 3: there there is that kind of politics. Hathaway controls the

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01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: power out there. Huh yeah, Berkshire. Hathaway bought the company

1134
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 3: is called Envy Energy. It's been five eight years now,

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01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 3: I forget how long it's been I.

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Speaker 1: Remember, I think I remember you bringing this up once.

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: It was amazing a public utilities owned by a private company.

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and uh it's it's a monopoly and has

1139
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 3: a tremendous amount of political power here in the state.

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Speaker 1: I bet it does.

1141
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 3: And and so what they want they usually get. And

1142
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: so you know, they they don't want a bunch of

1143
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: other companies coming in here and doing solar. They want

1144
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: to do solar on their own timeline. And of course

1145
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: this Yeer club and all the others are apoplectic about

1146
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: all of this, but they don't have the cloud that

1147
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: Envy Energy does.

1148
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: Let's talk about nonprofit versus for profit journalism. So you

1149
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: have said, and look you you have kept the Nevada Independent.

1150
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: It is still free if you don't want to subscribe. Correct,

1151
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: what have you done on that? You have no paywall?

1152
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: Right, you have no paywall. It is free. We survive

1153
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: on donations of all kinds, whether it's you know, the

1154
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: people pay five dollars a month or corporations that I've

1155
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 3: believe it or not chuck charmed into giving us a

1156
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 3: whole bunch of money. But that there's no paywall. We

1157
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: will never have a paywall.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle you know, the corporations that you're

1159
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: going to cover, what's the how do you just you know,

1160
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: I assume you must have an upfront conversation with these

1161
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: bigger donors who want to give on a corporate because

1162
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: you guys are very transparent about it. I mean, you're

1163
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: one of those You're like, hey, look i'll be NASCAR.

1164
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: Here are my sponsors. And it to me, it's such

1165
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: a variety that it's you can't pay you down with,

1166
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: which is exactly what you want. But I assume you

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: have a let's have a realistic conversation. You know, you

1168
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: have an issue with something I am covering, you know,

1169
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: what do you say to them?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a great question, and I think you'll

1171
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 3: be surprised that the answered Chuck. And it's hard for

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01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 3: this to not sound self aggrandizing, but you know, I

1173
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 3: built a reputation over thirty five years in this state

1174
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: for a certain kind of journalism, and so when I

1175
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 3: went to these corporations, originally they didn't I didn't have

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01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,959
Speaker 3: to ask that conversation I had that because they knew

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Speaker 3: they knew that.

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Speaker 1: But you started this in the pre Trump era, and

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Speaker 1: I do think that's an important part because Trump is

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01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: sort of forced a conversation that you're either with them

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01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: or against them. There is no nuance, there is no

1182
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: middle or ground, there's no gray area.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting about that is I started the India

1184
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: on January seventeenth, twenty seventeen. So think about that, so

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: not barely the pre Trump era, right like three days

1186
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 3: or so. Excuse me, so listen. But the key person

1187
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: to mention, who is not unrelated to Trump in this

1188
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 3: sense of Sheldon Adelson, who who was the biggest donor

1189
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 3: to the Republican Party, had just purchased the Las Vegas

1190
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 3: Review Journal, and so I saw an opportunity there. Some

1191
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: people were worried that he was just going to use

1192
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: it as his political play thing. Horror, what a shocking speculation.

1193
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 3: That turned out to beat, Chuck, and so people were

1194
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: willing to get for that reason. But having said that,

1195
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: through the years, and we're going to be nine years

1196
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: old pretty soon, I can't believe it, Chuck, it's been.

1197
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 3: I could spend all day talking about what a rollercoaster

1198
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 3: rideing the mistakes and the things that I've done right,

1199
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Speaker 3: But I know of only one instance in which a

1200
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: major donor called to complain. Wasn't to me. It was

1201
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 3: after I had bumped myself up to CEO to the editor,

1202
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: and that person got nowhere. And I think that people

1203
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 3: just have a yearning, even people in business, for places

1204
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: that they can read and in depth information and know

1205
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 3: what's really going on so they can make business decisions

1206
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: based on that. And so you have kind of an

1207
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: implosion of the of the mainstream media here that occurred

1208
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 3: with the Review Journal losing a lot of credibility because

1209
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 3: of battle Sid.

1210
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: There was a Sinclair by a bought up. What are

1211
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: your affiliates, right?

1212
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Speaker 3: I think sink Sinclair owns two affiliates in this day,

1213
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: one in Vegas, one in Reno and uh in fact,

1214
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 3: I got fired from a Sinclair film, but that's a

1215
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: that's a different story check. But anyhow, the Sun has

1216
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 3: essentially retrench covers entertainment in sports not a lot more.

1217
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: And the Reno.

1218
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 3: Gazette Journal has been hollowed out by Gannett. And so

1219
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 3: even though that's terrible for journalism, it is a nerd

1220
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 3: to our benefit and we've been able to expand into

1221
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: northern Nevada as well. We're the only statewide news organization. Now,

1222
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 3: so if you're seen as the go to place, essentially

1223
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 3: the only place, then that helps with donations.

1224
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: So because there's some of these other nonprofits that I've

1225
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: come across that have run into donor fatigue in about

1226
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: year seven, eight, nine, ten, how have you dealt with

1227
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: donor fatigue?

1228
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: Can you hear my sigh? Yeah, exactly, it's Chuck. This

1229
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: is I still say it's the most exhilarating and the

1230
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 3: hardest thing that I'd ever done in my career. And

1231
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: as you know, and as you've done a lot of

1232
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 3: different things in your career, the hardest thing I've ever

1233
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 3: had to do, Chuck, was about in my professional like,

1234
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 3: was about a year and a half ago when I

1235
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 3: had to lay off four people.

1236
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 1: I did that once, worst thing. I still have nightmares

1237
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: about la.

1238
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 3: It's horrible. And while it may have been the best

1239
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 3: thing in the long run, forty ar that these are

1240
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 3: four people I liked. I helped three of them at

1241
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 3: least find other jobs. But still it was just a

1242
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 3: horrendous thing to have to go through. And it was

1243
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: maybe because I, you know, got ahead of myself and

1244
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 3: thinking how big that we could get, and thinking that

1245
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: certain things would come through that didn't. But we've rebounded

1246
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: now and then through the work of our revenue team

1247
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 3: and me just really beating the bushes. We now have

1248
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 3: more money in the bank than we've ever had. And yet, Chuck, Yet,

1249
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 3: as I look towards the end of twenty twenty five

1250
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty six, we're not sustainable. Yet I can't.

1251
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: I still wake up every morning and the first thing

1252
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 3: I do is I click on the bank accounts so

1253
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 3: I can project how much revenue we have and how

1254
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 3: far out it goes. It's harrowing to some extent, but

1255
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 3: it's also a challenge. And I do believe. I do

1256
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 3: believe that the talent, excuse me, the skills that made

1257
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 3: me a good journalist, that is, being shameless and ready

1258
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: to ask any question at any time is pretty good

1259
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: for fundraising too, because you're just not shy about college

1260
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 3: with people, what you have to do and which you know.

1261
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: As much as I've started to be more of a

1262
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 3: CEO than a journalist, and you know, of course I

1263
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 3: keep close to the journalism et cetera, but uh, I have.

1264
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Speaker 4: I've had to devote almost full time to it and

1265
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 4: I'm still not done.

1266
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: Have you has it given you a different level of

1267
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: respect for the politician. I say that all the time.

1268
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Speaker 3: Track it's true, and I say the politicians I know, Uh,

1269
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 3: it really has just you know, going and asking people

1270
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: for money and saying here's why you should give, which

1271
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 3: which is easier for politicians. Somewhat that it's hard to

1272
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 3: make the value argument.

1273
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: To well, well, they're selling an idea. You're selling, Well,

1274
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: you're selling an idea, but.

1275
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 3: A different kind of idea. The idea they're selling is

1276
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 3: you put me in office, I'll be good for you

1277
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 3: in some way. I'm I'm appealing to people's you know,

1278
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: sense of civic duty, citizenship, the importance of journalism, which,

1279
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 3: as you well know, is getting harder and harder to sell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm sort of I'm obsessed with trying to

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: find a revenue stream that's for profit. I've got this

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Speaker 1: notion that maybe youth sports and high school sports can

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Speaker 1: be a bit of more of a magnet for advertisers.

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Speaker 1: What's the look? I know, to me, there's no one

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: revenue answer, and every local organization some may subscriptions may

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01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: be the primary revenue, philanthropy may be the primary revenue.

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Speaker 1: Advertising events, What are the challenges in the advertising space

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: that prevent that from being the be all, end all

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's still not a lot of money to be

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01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 3: made in digital advertising as much as there used to

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01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 3: be in print advertising. However, I will tell you, Chuck,

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: and this is not to my credit. In fact, quite

1294
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 3: the opposite. Until a couple of years ago, I refuse

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Speaker 3: to take ads.

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Speaker 1: On remember that, but you but you have sense, right.

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Speaker 3: And people like Evan Smith, whom you know from the

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 3: used to running Texas Tribune and others. I go to

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 3: conferences and they said, how are you doing this? You're

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01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: the only one to make ends meet without it. You

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01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: have to take ads, And I said, you know, it

1302
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 3: just feels right. And then finally, like I had an epiphany,

1303
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 3: which is like, how stupid are you? If I'm going

1304
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 3: to take two hundred thousand dollars from a casino company,

1305
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: why is that different than taking, you know, fifty thousand dollars?

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: Do you know what you're doing for them? You know

1307
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: what you're doing for them when you promote the fact

1308
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: that they gave you money at your event, you're advertising

1309
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: for exactly right.

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Speaker 3: And listen, either the work stands for itself and it's

1311
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 3: separate from any money that you're taking, or it doesn't

1312
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: you mentioned that we're transparent. We mentioned in every story

1313
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 3: that that a donor is mental who who that donor is.

1314
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 3: And a lot of elected officials on both sides, companies

1315
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: who run by CEOs or on both sides of the

1316
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 3: spectrum have given to us. And you know, you're still

1317
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 3: always going to get oh you're so far left, Oh

1318
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 3: you're a Democrat, all the rest of that stuff. But

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 3: I love telling people really. Joe Lombarro, the governor, by

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01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,879
Speaker 3: the way, Chuck has sat down for interviews at events

1321
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 3: of ours four different times with me, and he's about

1322
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: to sit down for a fifth one early next year.

1323
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 3: So I mean, listen, that's noise to some extent, but

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01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 3: it's something that I have to be concerned about.

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Speaker 1: So going back to advertising, now that you've decided to

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: take it, what is why is there not more advertising

1327
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: in the news space? What do you think has been

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01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: Is it because it's programmatic? Is it because it's not

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01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: hyper local? Why doesn't it have the same value proposition?

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Speaker 1: Have you guys cracked that code?

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01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 3: I still think a lot of people don't understand it,

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: and you still have to sell why it's important. It

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 3: has become a significant revenue stream for us in the

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01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 3: last two years. And I was very foolish, I think.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I talked to Evan Spent at one point

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: like should we take campaign advertising from candidate? My instinct

1337
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: was that we should take everything from everybody, uh, as

1338
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 3: long as it's legal, a legal business. And Evan told

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 3: me this is interesting that at the Texas tributing and

1340
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 3: he argued for years against taking campaign as he thought

1341
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: it would look bad, and then he suddenly realized he

1342
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 3: was wrong about it, that it's no different than any

1343
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 3: other kind of advertising, and in some ways it's good

1344
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 3: because you take you take advertising from the Democrat and

1345
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 3: the Republican is going to want to match it. But

1346
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: get getting back to your original question, maybe it's a

1347
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 3: couple questions ago. The key to making this successful, Chuck,

1348
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: is diversifying your revenue base. So we have donors, we

1349
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 3: have foundation grants, we have advertising, and what we've really

1350
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 3: done well in the last few years or events we

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 3: do we do. We do eight or nine events in a

1352
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 3: year now, including something called IndieFest in a few weeks

1353
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:05,520
Speaker 3: that you aware of and that we modeled on Tripfest

1354
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 3: in Texas and we make a significant amount of money

1355
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: off of those events. I have a great team that

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 3: helps sell sponsorships and that's really you have the diversified

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01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 3: revenue you can survive. And by the way, I will

1358
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 3: repeat again, we're not sustainable yet, but I'm hoping we're

1359
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 3: going to get there soon.

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Speaker 1: Do you own your own building, because that is seen

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01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: as something as a way to create. And do you

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: feel as do you guys meet in one area? Do

1363
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: you or is that are you more remote than in

1364
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:36,919
Speaker 1: one newsroom?

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm giving you a how to guide

1366
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: on how to do this.

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01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: No, well it is. It is well some of it

1368
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: because I've been I've been surveying in this landscape right

1369
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: because I really would like to see if we can

1370
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: scale it. And I've had a lot of skeptics. You

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01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: can't scale local news, and it's like and yet I

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: also don't think we can expand local news if we

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01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: don't have a way to scale it. So that's why

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I've had some that argue that, you know,

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01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why so many hedge funds targeted

1376
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: newspapers early on, they didn't care about the newspaper. They

1377
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: wanted the downtown real estate. Right, the Denver Post had

1378
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: a great building in downtown Denver. You know the Chicago

1379
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: you know the NBC building, It's called the NBC Building

1380
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: in Chicago. NBC is like one floor now, right, But

1381
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: these these the real estate was the value proposition to

1382
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: these hedge funds. They didn't care about the newspaper. But

1383
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: the real estate actually could be a way to essentially

1384
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: if things, you know, in a recession climate, you don't

1385
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 1: have big donors, you could take a mortgage out on

1386
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: your on your real estate truck.

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Speaker 3: There is no real estate. I made a decision when

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01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 3: I started the nd not to have a building because

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 3: I thought I didn't want that cost, which was a

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01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 3: gamble in some senses that you know, you want to

1391
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 3: create the camaraderie too, and and have people there, and

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01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 3: plus you know some of these young people. And this

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01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 3: has been the great part of this is all the

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01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 3: young people I've had come work for me. Yeah, yeah,

1395
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 3: yeah exactly. And I didn't know that I could finally say, well, yeah,

1396
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 3: I'm old enough now to maybe mentor some younger reports.

1397
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 3: I'm definitely old enough, juck. But the point is is

1398
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: that they adapted to that very very well, and they

1399
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 3: meet in coffee shops, and we had a shared workspace

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: that we paid a very small fee for or was

1401
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: traded out to us. And so I've never really wanted

1402
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: to have a building. The danger is, and I don't

1403
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 3: know if you've come across us as good as these

1404
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: young reporters are, some of them think that journalism is

1405
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 3: sitting in their apartment and texting people, texting sources instead

1406
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 3: of getting out there and meeting for lunches or dinners

1407
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 3: or drinks or breakfast or whatever, which I love. That

1408
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: was my favorite part of covering politics, being everywhere all

1409
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 3: the time, because you just you pick up so much

1410
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 3: stuff that say, you can't sit in your apartment, text people,

1411
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 3: get on the phone, go meet them, I know. Except

1412
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 3: that's a young people's thing nowt I know.

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01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: Except I was just going to say, the sources they're

1414
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: dealing with are their age, and you know what they

1415
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: want electronic relationships they don't necessarily want.

1416
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 3: Too many of them do.

1417
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: But you know, we're the old guys and we enjoy that.

1418
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: And it's true. You know, I've been asked, you know

1419
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 1: what is going to be lost by not being there?

1420
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: If you're a Pentagon reporter. And you know, I used

1421
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: to say with the White House, I could have done

1422
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: eighty five percent of my reporting without ever stepping foot

1423
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: in the White House. But I could tell you the

1424
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 1: fifteen percent that pays the bills is what gets you that.

1425
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's the ability to understand body language, to

1426
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: see it, to feel it all. Look, it's one of

1427
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: those things you appreciate later in life, not in the moment.

1428
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: And that's what's really hard to convey. I think to

1429
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: these younger reporters before I let you go, we're getting

1430
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 1: close here on time. What would Harry Reid say the

1431
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: Democratic Party would need to do today? Because I find

1432
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 1: it interesting that his former chief of staff is using

1433
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: his name and hometown as sort of an homage to

1434
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: this is what needs to be done. Harry Reid would

1435
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: be calling for this giant, big tent that you cannot

1436
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: have a a purity test that kicks John Fetterman out,

1437
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: that kicks Joe Mansion out, that kicks Mom Donnie out.

1438
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 1: What what would Harry Reid be saying in this moment, Well, you need.

1439
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 3: To talk about that. And you're referring to Adam Jeneralston

1440
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 3: in the Search Flight Institute, which he's very proud of,

1441
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: meaning at the Search Flight Institute. Listen. Uh, There's a

1442
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: great analogy to take from Harry Reid's career, and it's

1443
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 3: it's in the book Chuck about what he did with

1444
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 3: Joe Lieberman a couple of times, and his caucus wanted

1445
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: to throw out Lieberman a couple of times, and Reid

1446
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 3: played the long game there and in a paid off form,

1447
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 3: especially on Obamacare, although I think he regretted it when

1448
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: Joemanu said he was going to vote against the public option,

1449
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 3: which Harry Reid really wanted, but he kept Lieberman in

1450
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 3: the tent. He kept him in the tent even though

1451
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,799
Speaker 3: he was in a postate to many of his caucus colleagues.

1452
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 3: But I think I think Read would be very not

1453
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 3: just upset with that what Trump is doing all the

1454
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 3: rest of it. Of course he would be, but I

1455
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: think he would be thinking that Chuck Schumer and others

1456
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 3: should be a lot more pugnacious and effective in different ways.

1457
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 3: I will tell you when I interviewed Harry Read for

1458
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 3: the book, he he died very early in this process

1459
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 3: has been a four and a half year odyssey. Book's

1460
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 3: coming out January twentieth. And in case you forget to

1461
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 3: mention to go go pre order it please, I'm supposed

1462
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: to say that. I think I'm contractually obligatding.

1463
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 1: I didn't realize we're that far away from it.

1464
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 3: Gosh, it's three months from today, Chuck.

1465
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: As that means in three months, I'll have you on again.

1466
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: After I read the book.

1467
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 3: We should yeah, we should be. I should send you

1468
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: a galley.

1469
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: I should have said I'd love to I'd love to

1470
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: be sent galley.

1471
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 3: You should send me your address and all again. We'll

1472
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 3: do that, and Schuster to send you lucky hear what

1473
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 3: you think of it. But I asked Harry read at

1474
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 3: one point, you know, tell me what kind of job

1475
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 3: you think Chuck Schumer is doing as your successor. And

1476
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 3: this is in twenty twenty one, late twenty twenty one,

1477
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 3: and Harry Readers always does. He looks down for about

1478
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 3: five ten seconds and looks up and says, I made

1479
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 3: myself a promise I would never say a negative word

1480
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 3: about Chuck Schumer. John next question, I don't think he

1481
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 3: would be happy with with what Schumer did is doing.

1482
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: He just he just answered the question, because you just

1483
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: that's going to be devastating that that nugget, I mean,

1484
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: that says everything. Yeah, yeah, because because Harry Reid essentially

1485
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: agreed to humiliate Dick Durbin in favor of Chuck Schumer.

1486
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 3: And how I saw it, I'm.

1487
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, that was a total humiliation of Derbin. I understand

1488
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: Durbin's reputation, which was he didn't run a very sharp

1489
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: his office was undisciplined, would be the phrase. I'd here

1490
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Speaker 1: all the time. I can't have somebody who's undisciplined running.

1491
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: He's a great number two, you know, it won't be

1492
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: a good number one. There were always all these euphemisms

1493
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: that were used in my reporting what sources would say,

1494
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: because everybody liked Dick. Nobody wanted to be negative on

1495
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: Dick Durbin. They just said, eh, it just he lets

1496
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: things slip through the cracks. That would be the sort

1497
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: of the was essentially the vibe they were doing. So

1498
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: Read really, you know, he had to eat it in

1499
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: order to keep Durbin out of this. And it sounds

1500
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: like he regrets it. Huh.

1501
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he regrets it. And I think that

1502
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 3: Schumer and Read and loved each other in a way,

1503
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 3: But I think that Reid thought Schumer would be more

1504
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 3: effective than Durbin for a variety of reasons. I asked Urban.

1505
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 3: By the way, I interviewed both Durbin and Schumer for

1506
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 3: the book, and I asked Urban about being passed over,

1507
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 3: as it were, And of course he handled it very

1508
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 3: diplomatically and even.

1509
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 1: Such a midwesterner.

1510
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, after after I pushed him, Uh, he still was.

1511
01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 3: But he was a great source for the book and

1512
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: always better than Schumer. Although the Schumer stuff in the

1513
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 3: book is much more and I think this is not great.

1514
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: You're given away one of Washington's secrets about Derbott. But anyway,

1515
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, right, is.

1516
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: That Schumer is that Schumer does at least a couple

1517
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 3: of I told you sos on Reid that are very

1518
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 3: I thought were very taste. So like I told Harry,

1519
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 3: you shouldn't go nuclear, and it turns out I was

1520
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: right about that kind of thing.

1521
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I I have you know, it's

1522
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: one of I earned the ire of Reid's office for

1523
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: a while because I was Look, I believe the biggest

1524
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: black marks on the on Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid

1525
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: are there collective? Are there? Collective? Actions that delegitimize the

1526
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: judiciary branch. They they couldn't have done it without the other.

1527
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: So I do not accept the premise that only one's

1528
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: more to blame than the other. It's one of those

1529
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: that they were simpatico into this. They went down this

1530
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: hell hole together and here we are. But but that

1531
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that both of them weren't very rude and

1532
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: understanding how to manage their caucus in the moment they

1533
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: were living in. And I'm mindful of that as well.

1534
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was tough, Chuck, And you'll appreciate this as

1535
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 3: a guy who knows even more minutia about politics than

1536
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 3: I do. Is that Harry Reid getty access to his archives,

1537
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,919
Speaker 3: which had a thousand boxes and twelve million digital files.

1538
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean, she's enormous.

1539
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 3: And the people at that university were phenomenon giving me

1540
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 3: spreadsheets and I found a lot of incredible stuff. But

1541
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 3: my wife, who helped me research this, was in the

1542
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 3: archive with me, and I would show her these documents,

1543
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 3: say look what I found, and she would say, quite accurately,

1544
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 3: it turns out there are two kinds of things we're

1545
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 3: going to find, honey book stuff and John's stuff. And

1546
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 3: there's so much inside stuff that I would have wanted

1547
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 3: to keep in the book that I couldn't.

1548
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,480
Speaker 1: John, stuff I love that is so true, I know exactly.

1549
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: My favorite it's at my Obama book. My favorite scoop

1550
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: is something that is such a it never got the traction,

1551
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: and I'm still it was Bob Menendez saved Obamacare because

1552
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Bob Menende said, Jesus crime and he please don't have

1553
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: this be implemented before the twenty twelve elections. And he

1554
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: was about a well, the guy who saved Obama's second term.

1555
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: Like I found it to be an amazing nugget and

1556
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: it was just such an arcane piece of medutia for

1557
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: ninety percent of readers.

1558
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 3: You know, yes, yes, that's stuff we love. Chuck.

1559
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: Right, So when you say he would expect Schubert to

1560
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: be more pugnacious, would he not? How would he? How

1561
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 1: would he have had a confrontation? He wouldn't have picked

1562
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: this as the confrontation with Trump? Would he have done

1563
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: something else? Is that right?

1564
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I just I think

1565
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 3: just from talking from thinking about the read that I knew,

1566
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 3: I think I know way better than anybody.

1567
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: More than anybody. I was just gonna say yeah.

1568
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 3: And I'm talking to some of his staff, I think,

1569
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,879
Speaker 3: I mean, they all tell me that he loved Schumer

1570
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,440
Speaker 3: and he and they did, and they were they were opposites.

1571
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: I thought they were a great team when it was.

1572
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: Schumer was the sort of the guy who went and

1573
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: cajoled the candidate to run and promised him the moon,

1574
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: and Read was the cold hearted you know, uh, I

1575
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: don't know if we want him, yes, we want him,

1576
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: go get him type of They were a nice little

1577
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 1: good cop bad cop combination is the sense I got.

1578
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 3: I just think, and you're you're absolutely right. And he

1579
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 3: loved that. Schumer wanted to go on TV every day

1580
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 3: because he didn't want to. Oh, he didn't care about that.

1581
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 3: The few times that he did didn't usually turn out

1582
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 3: so low.

1583
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I never enjoyed any interview on air

1584
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: that I did of Harry Reid. I enjoyed every off

1585
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: the record session I ever had with Harry Reid.

1586
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. And and listen to these zoom sessions.

1587
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: I had with him.

1588
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 3: I did twenty four of them before he passed away, chucking.

1589
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they were all I mean, he was still

1590
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 3: pretty sharp until the end. And there were some priceless

1591
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,680
Speaker 3: things that he said, and and almost all of them

1592
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 3: were on the record, but some of them, I'm afraid,

1593
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 3: were relegated to the John stuff category and had to

1594
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 3: be taken out of the book.

1595
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 1: Can you make a friends and Family edition? Can you

1596
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: give me the John stuff chapter after the book? That's like,

1597
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 1: I want a John Stuff chapter because that's the stuff

1598
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna want.

1599
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 3: Well, I started a sub stack and I'm starting to

1600
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 3: put out some of the documents that I didn't use

1601
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 3: in the book. But you know, they thought that Simon

1602
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 3: and Schuster thought the book was two hundred pages too long.

1603
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 3: I thought the book was two hundred pages to guess

1604
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,839
Speaker 3: who won on that one shock and so but listen,

1605
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 3: I am I'm I'll say the same here that I've

1606
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 3: said to everybody who are my friends. I'm excited that

1607
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 3: that that, at this four and a half hero Odyssey

1608
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 3: is finally uh And man, I'm also terrified h sitting

1609
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: in a dark room awaiting the reaction from everybody.

1610
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: No, I guess before I let you go? Are you

1611
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: so prized? It's Jackie Rosen is the one that's voting

1612
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: with Fetterman, right, and Angus King. Oh, No, Catherine Court

1613
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: has a master. I'm sue Catherine Court is master. I

1614
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: guess if you had asked me to pick which one

1615
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: would be voting with TOPA and the Government, probably been

1616
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: Jackie Rosen, not Catherine courtez Masto. So what is that

1617
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: surprise you?

1618
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's interesting, Chuck. I wasn't that surprised.

1619
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 3: She's only so deliberate, so loyally, so careful, and I

1620
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 3: think the case was made, and I think she believed

1621
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 3: that so many there's so many federal workers in Nevada,

1622
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: that this was the right vote, whether it was the

1623
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 3: best thing for her politically, and I've heard and you

1624
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 3: know more about this than I do. I'm sure I've

1625
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 3: heard contrary stories about whether her ambition actually is to

1626
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 3: be a successor eventually to Chuck Schumer to do what

1627
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 3: Harry reidid, and whether this is a good thing for her.

1628
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 3: But you know how the guys like you will meet,

1629
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 3: we look at every single little thing and say, what's

1630
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 3: the political motivation?

1631
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: No, I'm just it's it's Angus King, I get it,

1632
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 1: John Fetterman. Again, I was just mildly surprised, but only mildly.

1633
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I do think the state's more swingy, and the senator

1634
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: should behave more swingy if they want to, if they

1635
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: want to be there long, if they would like to.

1636
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 3: I think Jackie Rosen was surprised by it, which is interesting.

1637
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, how's that relationship?

1638
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 3: It was very good and I think it still is

1639
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: pretty good. But if you look at a few comments

1640
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 3: that are made, uh, it seems like there might have

1641
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 3: been some friction caused by this because it's very difficult.

1642
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: But they're both they catch you. I was just going

1643
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 1: to say, it makes well, you're you're you're you know,

1644
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: the other Democratic senator is voting to open the government.

1645
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: What I mean. Sure, it puts Rosen in a defensive posture.

1646
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: I get it.

1647
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 3: And every time Rosen attacks the shutdown, the Republican's problem. Look,

1648
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 3: Jackie Rosen's attacking Catherine cord That, Yeah, what's going on?

1649
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: They have fun with that. So I think she was

1650
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,560
Speaker 3: taken a little bit by surprise on that.

1651
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get you out of here on this.

1652
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:00,879
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about your Buffalo bills?

1653
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 3: Chuck? I wish and I promise not to bring up

1654
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 3: Miami if you wouldn't no Bills.

1655
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,759
Speaker 1: Well, I actually think that we're both in the same spot.

1656
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: You have a team that can win it all and

1657
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: a team that can break your heart. It's all at

1658
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 1: the same time. I mean, Miami's I have this. I'm

1659
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna you know. My hot take is there will be

1660
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: no undefeated teams in the playoffs, that everybody is likely

1661
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: to have one loss. I think that's I think that's more.

1662
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Look High States House played Michigan and Indiana. You know,

1663
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: it's just really hard to get twenty year old kids motivated.

1664
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you're paying them. So

1665
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: that's my hot take. Yeah, I love it.

1666
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you believe it? It's such a great story.

1667
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 3: But let me just say what the Bills will be

1668
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 3: very simple with you. I've been a Bills fan for more.

1669
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 3: I'm much older than you are, been a Bills fan

1670
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 3: for more than you were born and raised right, Yes,

1671
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 3: for more than sixty years. I am used to heartbreak, Chuck,

1672
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 3: I expect heartbreak. I try not to get too excited.

1673
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 3: They have some real issues, but I still believe, and

1674
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 3: people are going to disagree with me. Josh Allen is

1675
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 3: the most exciting player I've ever watched in football.

1676
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:10,879
Speaker 1: I will just tell you this. Growing up in Miami

1677
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, the Miami Dolphins had a

1678
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: quarterback that was extra worldly and never could surround him

1679
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: with a supporting cast that could win the whole thing.

1680
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: I will just simply say, I just you know, there's

1681
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: never a deep threat. I got another former EP of

1682
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: mine that's a Big Bills fan, John Reese, and he's like,

1683
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, we're never trying to get Terreek Kill, and

1684
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: we're never trying to get these speedsters. You got a

1685
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,520
Speaker 1: guy who can literally throw it out of the stadium,

1686
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: but yet there's nobody that can run underneath it. It is

1687
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: you worry that do they not surround them with enough talent?

1688
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 3: You know, we could have gotten Worthy too, That's the story.

1689
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 3: People forget. We could have had Worthy and instead traded

1690
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 3: and god who guy from Florida by the name of Keon.

1691
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Coleman Florida State. No, And look, I couldn't I have

1692
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: to watch all Florida State. G's my wife with the

1693
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Florida State Ken Coleman will win a one on one

1694
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: like rebound type of throw. Okay, that's what he does.

1695
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: He was never the guy that got space. He's never

1696
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: the guy that's right. He's not a big pattern. Like

1697
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, you see some guys and you're like, everybody

1698
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: knows they're trying to throw the ball to him. How

1699
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: come nobody's on him. Well, they just know how to

1700
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: get open, Like Ceedee Lamb is always wide open. You're like,

1701
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: how the hell has that happened? Right, everybody knows he's

1702
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 1: the number one receiver. Coleman is a What he's great

1703
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: at is winning those one on one So he's a

1704
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: great number two or number three receiver on your team.

1705
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: But he's not your number one. That's the problem.

1706
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 3: Just remember we came this close again to get into

1707
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 3: the super Bowl last year and had still had no

1708
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 3: deep threat because Alan put there.

1709
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: He's a one man show, that's right.

1710
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 3: And so listen, I'm very worried now. I mean, Bills

1711
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 3: aren't even in first place anymore in HEAs, I'm not

1712
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 3: used to that anymore.

1713
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: The Frickin' Patriots, I know again.

1714
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know that guy's for real too, though.

1715
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: Chuck he is.

1716
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 3: I know.

1717
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: I was hoping that the nickname Drake maybe would take off,

1718
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's going to happen anymore. Anyway,

1719
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: all right, brother, good luck with the book. Roll out

1720
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 1: Nevada Independent. It's where I get my news political news

1721
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: on Nevada. Are you guys is your Have you dabbled

1722
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: in sports? You guys have it right, you've held off

1723
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: on sports.

1724
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned sports. My wife was constantly tell

1725
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:32,760
Speaker 3: me you got to have a sports page. You'll get

1726
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 3: more readers. We are thinking of hiring somebody to cover

1727
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 3: at least a business of sports since, as you know,

1728
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 3: we've become a major league town.

1729
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Now, way, I guess it's a base No, it's an

1730
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: important you know. And the w NBA in some ways

1731
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: a huge business out there. And Vegas is going to

1732
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: become more of an industry town for sports. So uh,

1733
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: and all of the combat sports come into Vegas, you know. Now,

1734
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's a business of sports angle and shoot,

1735
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,759
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. More great college football players

1736
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,799
Speaker 1: are coming out of those Las Vegas high schools. Bishop

1737
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Gorman number one. But you know with Bishop Gorman come

1738
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 1: other upstarts.

1739
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 3: So, Chuck, you're the only DC guy who would know

1740
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 3: what Bishop Gorman is.

1741
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a recruiting nerd. I know we've had We've

1742
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: had one success out of there, I think Brevin Jordan,

1743
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: and one not so success. The quarterback who was like

1744
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State by I mean and yeah, yeah, yeah, the

1745
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 1: Internet kid, the Netflix kid. You know, I'm talking about

1746
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 1: where they made the Netflix. Yeah. He just was too short.

1747
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate say it. You know, sometimes there

1748
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: are physical limitations to somebody's things. All right, my friend,

1749
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: be good, Thanks Chuck, all right, I hope you enjoyed

1750
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: mister Ralston. Yes, he's a both of Buffalo Bills and

1751
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: a Michigan Wolverines fan, so at least he experienced some

1752
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: winning with the University of Michigan. Will he ever experience

1753
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: the ultimate prize as a Buffalo Bills fan? Uh, let's

1754
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 1: just say I do think America deserves a Packers Bills

1755
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: super Bowl. All right? With that, it's my top five

1756
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:20,959
Speaker 1: lists of the week.

1757
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 3: Top f top.

1758
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: To test, and I have a fun, fun little one

1759
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: that I want to do. It's I'm a history buff

1760
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm a political junkie. So what does that mean? I

1761
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: love sort of keeping track of science, right, I guess

1762
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 1: today in the modern language, it would be the Neippo babies.

1763
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 4: Right.

1764
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, politics in this country has been a

1765
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,799
Speaker 1: fan to shoot. Politics in every country is a family

1766
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: business these days, right, But politics is a family business.

1767
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: It always has been in this country. You know. Our

1768
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: second president had a son who became what the eighth president,

1769
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: ninth seventh president, you know in Quincy, q as the

1770
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: colloquialism was back then. And I think when we got

1771
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: George W. Bush, if you will, so, you know, for

1772
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 1: a for a country that revolted against a monarchy, we

1773
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: weirdly love our political dynasties. It's only been recently that

1774
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 1: a Freulinghausen hasn't represented something in New Jersey going all

1775
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: the way back to the Revolution. So to say that

1776
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: we don't love political science. But in this day and

1777
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: age of distrust of institutions, frustration with the status quo,

1778
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 1: not happy with elites, it hasn't been a good time

1779
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a member of a so called

1780
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: political dynasty. Right. We had Joe Kennedy the third lose

1781
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: a primary in the state of Massachusetts to Ed Markey.

1782
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: You had a Hillary Clinton lose. You had a h

1783
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 1: You had a uh which which Bush? We had a

1784
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: we had a Bush Oh my god, I'm drawing a

1785
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: blank on Jeb Bush's oldest son, Jeb Bush Jr. And

1786
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 1: who was the other Bush? Shoot? Sorry, you got to

1787
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 1: edit here. You got to edit here. Don't screw me.

1788
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: You got to edit here. George p. That's what it was,

1789
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: George P. R. The last decade hasn't been great for

1790
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: political science, right. You've had a Clinton spouse not be

1791
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: able to win the presidency. You've had multiple Bushes lose

1792
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: out on promotions. Jeb wanted to run for the presidency.

1793
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 1: His son George P. Tried to win a state wide

1794
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: office in Texas. It didn't a promotion there, he didn't

1795
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 1: get it. You've had uh A Kennedy not be able

1796
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: to win a primary in Massachusetts. So this is not

1797
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: the ideal time to run as a scion. But I

1798
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun to have a top five

1799
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: political families who have who have got members trying to

1800
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: keep the family legacy alive in twenty twenty six. So

1801
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 1: my top five is most likely where you'll see a

1802
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: scion win to least likely. And I'm going to start

1803
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: with my first two are going to be states, not individuals,

1804
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 1: because these two state races have multiple political scions running.

1805
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: We're going to start with main governor. Main governor has

1806
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 1: the son of Angus Bush. Excuse me, the son of

1807
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: Angus King, who's the US Senator running for governor, The

1808
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: son of Congresswoman Shelley Pingree, excuse me, the daughter of

1809
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Shelley Pingree running for governor, Hannah Pingree, she's already

1810
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 1: herself served in the State House. And then on the

1811
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Republican side, there's a first cousin of George W. Bush

1812
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: running for governor, Jonathan Bush. So in this one race

1813
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: for governor, the Democratic primary features Angus King the third

1814
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: again he's running as a Democrat, even though his father

1815
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: has served both as governor and Senate as an independent,

1816
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: not as a Democrat, but his son is running as

1817
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: a Democrat. He founded just so you know what he's

1818
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: been doing over the years. He founded Peaks Renewables, and

1819
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: he announced his run for governor. Bet He calls himself

1820
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 1: a pragmatic energy business leader, and he wants to focus

1821
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the state on clean power. Hannah Pingree the daughter of

1822
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Shelley Pingree. She served in the Main House. She

1823
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 1: worked for the governor. Governor Janet Mills for a while,

1824
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 1: so she herself wants to run for governor. Both of

1825
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: them are obviously going to have access to decent donors,

1826
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 1: and we'll be quite competitive running against each other. We'll

1827
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,879
Speaker 1: see if if neither one of them win their primary,

1828
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: because somebody is able to say, hey, you know, should

1829
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: somebody else who's not related to a politician have a chance.

1830
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 1: But on the Republican side, you'll let Jonathan Bush, who's

1831
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: not a big Trump guy, but he has been trying

1832
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 1: to sort of straddle the fence. You know, he talks

1833
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: about you know, he goes to blue areas and tells

1834
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,559
Speaker 1: them things about Trump that they think that they might like,

1835
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,719
Speaker 1: and goes to red areas and reminds them of stuff

1836
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: that he thinks Democrats do better for some of the

1837
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: red areas. So who knows, but my goodness, when you

1838
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:23,400
Speaker 1: have three shots in one race to elect a somebody

1839
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: from a famous political family, I think you get to

1840
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: share the number one slot up most likely to elect

1841
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 1: a political scion in twenty twenty six, so main governor.

1842
01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: Number two on the list is Georgia's Senate. Specifically, it's

1843
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: the Republican primary for Georgia Senate that features not one

1844
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 1: political scion, but two sort of I'll show you where

1845
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm going. So Mike Collins is the son of former

1846
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: Congressman Matt Collins. Mike himself has been in Congress, you know,

1847
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty three. But obviously he got the he

1848
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 1: got the bug for politics. Matt Collins first got elected

1849
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: to Congress back in night ninety three and served all

1850
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 1: the way through two thousand and five. But that's obviously

1851
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 1: where Mike got the bug. So we shall see, and

1852
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: he's certainly a competitive candidate. The other person that I'm

1853
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: qualifying here as a quote unquote scion is actually Derek Dooley,

1854
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: the son of former Georgia Bulldogs Hall of Fame College

1855
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame coach Vince Dooley. So, while Vince

1856
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: Dooley never actually held political office, some would argue, if

1857
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 1: you're the head football coach of Georgia, it may be

1858
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: a tougher job than being the governor of Georgia because

1859
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 1: of the expectations to succeed or so high there. So

1860
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 1: Derek Dooley being a Senate candidate and son of a

1861
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 1: famous football coach, I think I'm going to say qualifies

1862
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: a bit in the science category, so number one most

1863
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: likely main governor, number two most likely Georgia Senate. Number

1864
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 1: three on my list is bo Bye, and Bobie wants

1865
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: to follow pretty much in the same footsteps that his

1866
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:02,160
Speaker 1: father did, which is start at a lower rung statewide

1867
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: office and slowly work your way up. Bow Bye, who

1868
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: is the grandson of birch By, the son of Evan By,

1869
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 1: filed to run for Indiana Secretary of State, a job

1870
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:17,000
Speaker 1: that we opened in twenty six. This is an office

1871
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I believe that Pete Boodajete attempted to run for and

1872
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: didn't win. It's look Indian as a red state, but

1873
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: it's not a dark red state. The Bye names does

1874
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: mean something to some people, doesn't mean enough to enough

1875
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: people to win a race. Look in in a slightly

1876
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:38,280
Speaker 1: in a year where the breeze will be blowing a

1877
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 1: bit more favorably to the left than the right. A

1878
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: familiar name among swing voters who you know, didn't think

1879
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: By was sort of a woke, live Democrat, right, That

1880
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:54,639
Speaker 1: isn't the Bye brand. I think Bo Bye, you can't

1881
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:57,839
Speaker 1: you know this? This feels like the right entry point

1882
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: if you're trying to sort of dabble your toe and politics.

1883
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 1: And if you've got a brand name like by so

1884
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: Bo Bye number three on my list, keep an eye

1885
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:10,799
Speaker 1: on that number four. It's hard to have a scion

1886
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 1: list of top five political famous political dynasties that might

1887
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 1: see things continue with a new generation if you don't

1888
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: have somebody connected to the Kennedy. So Jack Sloshburg comes

1889
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 1: in at five. He's, of course the son of Caroline

1890
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:29,440
Speaker 1: Kennedy and the grandson of course President John F. Kennedy.

1891
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 1: He's got a very popular TikTok feed that is popular

1892
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: on the left. He is officially exploring a run for Congress.

1893
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: I believe he wants to run for Jerry Nadler seat

1894
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Should be interesting. I think, Look, his cousin,

1895
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 1: Joe Kennedy the third couldn't win a primary in Massachusetts, right,

1896
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 1: that's got to be you know it is. No, you

1897
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: don't just get to walk into these seats anymore, the

1898
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: way Kennedy's used to be able to sort of walk

1899
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 1: in and carpet bag their way into things. You're gonna

1900
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 1: have to work hard for it. But I one would

1901
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: argue Schlossburg already has a pretty decent profile in his

1902
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: social media profile in particular, and it's been a you know,

1903
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: been a pretty successful progressive influencer. So I wouldn't I would.

1904
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I think he's certainly earned, uh earned, uh, the opportunity

1905
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 1: to be number number five on that list, number four

1906
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: on that list. So we got main governor, you got

1907
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: Georgia governor, you got we got excuse me, we got

1908
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 1: main governor Georgia. Senate Bobie in Indiana, Jack Schlossburg, New

1909
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: York City, that's where he's thinking about running for Congress.

1910
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 1: And then number five is Chip Keaty. Now, Chip's gonna

1911
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: he's the son of Frank Keating, who was governor of

1912
01:44:53,240 --> 01:45:00,679
Speaker 1: Oklahoma from ninety four to two. That's a long time ago. Oh, right,

1913
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:03,639
Speaker 1: Keating hasn't been on the ballot in that sense, Right,

1914
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Frank Keating hadn't been on the ballot in a while.

1915
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: It's a long way, almost an entire generation, if you will.

1916
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: So look, it's you know, he's dabbled in hips, dabbled

1917
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 1: in politics a little bit, but that's going to be

1918
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: if look in Oklahoma, you win the nomination for governor

1919
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 1: because the Kevin Stick's going to be term limited. So

1920
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 1: it's an open race for the governorship. He did service

1921
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: secretary of Public Safety, so he's got he's got his

1922
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: own he's got his own career in politics a little bit.

1923
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 1: But if he does win that primary, he's going to

1924
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: be the favorite to win the race. You have to

1925
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,679
Speaker 1: put him in there a number five. So and then

1926
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: at this point i'd probably put as honorable mention.

1927
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Speaker 4: Is uh.

1928
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Speaker 1: I think Kevin White is what I would put there.

1929
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 1: He is the son, excuse me, Andrew White. Andrew White

1930
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 1: is the son of former Texas Governor Mark White. And

1931
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Andrew White's running for Texas governor. That's an uphill battle.

1932
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: That's why it doesn't crack my top five, but I

1933
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,559
Speaker 1: thought I would throw it out there. We'll be keeping track.

1934
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: So there it is top five political dynasties that may

1935
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 1: have a chance to extend their dynastic lives in the

1936
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. You've got three shots in Maine, two

1937
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: shots in Georgia. If you count the duelies as sort

1938
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 1: of as political and sports type of dynasty of sorts.

1939
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 1: Kennedy a Kennedy derivative in New York City, the son

1940
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: and grandson of birch By and Evan By in Indiana,

1941
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 1: and maybe the son of Frank Keening and Oklahoma or

1942
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: the son of Mark White in Texas. Always fun to

1943
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: keep track of those things as well. All right, with that,

1944
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 1: let's do a few questions, ask Chuck. All right, first

1945
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: question comes from Ryan parts unknown. He says, hey, check.

1946
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: We always hear that most Americans grand certain issues, bors

1947
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 1: and rights, border policy and so on, usually based on polls.

1948
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 1: But what if instead of polls we had televised debates

1949
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 1: featuring skilled debaters, not politicians who had to stick to

1950
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: verified facts, with a live audience voting like American idol.

1951
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: It could be a new way to gauge what people

1952
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 1: truly think once they've heard both sides areg you honesty,

1953
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 1: love the pod. You know that's interesting, Ryan, I think

1954
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,879
Speaker 1: that's what our friends at c SPAN are hoping ceasefire becomes.

1955
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: But let me posit. You know what I thought of

1956
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 1: when I read your question. What if you designed sort

1957
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:35,679
Speaker 1: of the best the best briefed AI candidate to debate

1958
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: a topic pro and then the best briefed AI candidate

1959
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 1: to debate the topic con And that was it was

1960
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:48,719
Speaker 1: almost like here, here's a prototype, in a perfect world,

1961
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:51,160
Speaker 1: what a good debate would look like. And you can

1962
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: kind of use AI to Is this a good way

1963
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: to use AI or not? On first blush? Like I said,

1964
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: the first the first thing I thought of, what if

1965
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: we aid this just had a really good person making

1966
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:08,440
Speaker 1: the case for abortion rights and a really good, smartly

1967
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: brief person making the case against and had that in

1968
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,720
Speaker 1: a debate format sort of with a very sort of

1969
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: you know, neutral, dispassionate moderator. Is that a good way

1970
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:23,600
Speaker 1: to use AI as a tool? Right? What does a

1971
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: prototypical debate on this topic look like? What would a

1972
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 1: fantasy debate between two well educated people on tariffs look

1973
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:35,639
Speaker 1: like about tariff policy? I don't know. You actually got

1974
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: me thinking that maybe we ought to just create an

1975
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: entire sort of AI Wikipedia of do you want to see,

1976
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, two women debating this issue, to men debating

1977
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: this issue, to crasshoppers debating this issue. But what you

1978
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 1: really have is it's it's really you know, sort of

1979
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: AI trained, best available way you could do it. Your

1980
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: vehicle for showing the debate could be a human like being,

1981
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: could be an animal or a desk lamp whatever. Right,

1982
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm being some facetious and some not here put it

1983
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 1: this way, I'm curious enough to see if I could

1984
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: create a really like you know, imagine a really good debater,

1985
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 1: two of them going back and forth on a variety

1986
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 1: of issues that seem to divide us. Would it be

1987
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 1: persuasive to people? Right? Would a debate that was filled

1988
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: with really good substance and no zingers penetrate the mind

1989
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 1: or would people not hear anything that was said if

1990
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: it didn't have a zinger. So there's a lot of

1991
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: things that I'd almost want to test drive, and this

1992
01:49:51,400 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: is a way where AI allows you to test drive it.

1993
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 1: I haven't decided that whether this is a good or

1994
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 1: bad thing, but it's the first thing I thought of

1995
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: when I read your question, Ryan, so appreciate it. By

1996
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 1: the way, you could do this right still have your

1997
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 1: robot animated AI version of these debates and have people

1998
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: vote on it. Who won. And I guess the question

1999
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: would be would it really be more reflective of what

2000
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 1: people already thought or would it be reflective of what

2001
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: they heard in the conversation? That's always really hard to

2002
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: fully get. Next question comes from Greg Hey. He goes

2003
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: Hey is an IO and expat. I currently live in

2004
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 1: Pure Illinois. It was great to listen to reta heart.

2005
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: I had to chuckle a bit about the Fox News

2006
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 1: comment because when I visit family, it is always on.

2007
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 1: As you have mentioned before, the Democratic Party is having

2008
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: an identity crisis. Would it be better for the state

2009
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 1: level party to develop its own identity separate from the DNC. Yes,

2010
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: A thousand times. Yes. I'll get to an example in

2011
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 1: a minute. For example, if the Ioademocrats address local issues

2012
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,479
Speaker 1: Soybean's hogs increase cancer rates in the failing educational system,

2013
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: this could be a two fold benefit. The state level

2014
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 1: parties could almost silence the GOP culture war messaging. The

2015
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 1: DNC can develop messaging and platform planks that could be

2016
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: used to better reach rural America. Greg. Yes, and I

2017
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: would argue the state parties used to be a lot

2018
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 1: more independent from the national party. And the best most

2019
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:10,719
Speaker 1: recent example comes out of the state of Minnesota. Wasn't

2020
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 1: that you know? Minnesota's Democratic Party used to be referred

2021
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: to as the Democratic Farm Labor Party, and they would

2022
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 1: proudly say, no, no, no, no, We're affiliated with the DNC,

2023
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,560
Speaker 1: but we are our own identity. We are the Democratic

2024
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: Farm Labor Party. And the Republicans of Minnesota were known

2025
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: as the Independent Republican Party of Minnesota. Again, it was

2026
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: both state parties they were and I feel like it

2027
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:39,759
Speaker 1: did help their brand seem distinctive from the national party.

2028
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, you'd see it was a

2029
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:45,760
Speaker 1: different flavor of Minnesota Democrat and a different flavor of

2030
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 1: Minnesota Republican that would win statewide election. So I absolutely

2031
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 1: believe this is needed. I think that. I mean, just

2032
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 1: look at you see many a Democratic group is saying,

2033
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, don't even run as a Democrat if the

2034
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 1: brand is that bad in your state, go run as

2035
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: an independent. See Idaho, South Dakota, Nebraska. Right. We're seeing

2036
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: pretty strong candidacies developing there among people that in a

2037
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,719
Speaker 1: if we had a normal sort of competitive two party

2038
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: system in all fifty states, they'd probably be the Democratic nominees.

2039
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,200
Speaker 1: But the Democratic, the national Democratic brand is what the

2040
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:22,839
Speaker 1: brand of the state party has become in those states,

2041
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 1: even when they don't want to be but state. You

2042
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 1: can't differentiate yourself if you don't have your own source

2043
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,040
Speaker 1: of money and your own sort of source of leadership.

2044
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 1: And that's I think been the struggle is too many

2045
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: national donors worry about the national races. Some of these

2046
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:42,799
Speaker 1: state parties need state based sugar daddies and Mommy's. In Iowa,

2047
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,679
Speaker 1: there used to be and has been some It's less

2048
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 1: so in some of these other red states. But I

2049
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 1: think it would really behoove the Democrats to let their

2050
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 1: state parties create their own brand identities. Andy Busheer would

2051
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 1: be better off being able to say he's a Kentucky

2052
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 1: Democrat and have that means something to people, But I'm

2053
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: not sure that's going to be the case if he

2054
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,880
Speaker 1: runs for president in twenty eight. You know, he's going

2055
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:10,959
Speaker 1: to make the case that hey, being a Kentucky Democrats

2056
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 1: different than being a national Democrat. And I might buy

2057
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: that as a political reporter, but I don't know if

2058
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 1: voters will totally buy it completely. So but anyway, the

2059
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,520
Speaker 1: point is one hundred percent agree with you. I absolutely

2060
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: think this is the way to, you know, essentially decentralize

2061
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:34,000
Speaker 1: the DNC right decentralized the Democratic Party. The Republican Party

2062
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,680
Speaker 1: used to be the party that wanted to decentralize right.

2063
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: In some ways, maybe the Democratic Party can win over

2064
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 1: some of those voters by by trying to be more

2065
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: state and local based. Next question comes from Keith J.

2066
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 1: Which I really really wish your name. I hope your

2067
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 1: last name is Jackson, because I'd love to have some

2068
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 1: Keith Jackson and an excuse to talk about the grennetti

2069
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 1: of them all. Sorry, I'll check my respect for you

2070
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 1: continues in your new endeavor. Thank you. I hope I

2071
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: didn't lose your respect with my lane Keith Jackson impersonation there. Keith.

2072
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,480
Speaker 1: You have often said you are a short term pessimist,

2073
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:11,320
Speaker 1: long term optimist. Yes. Would you define your terms? How

2074
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: long do you think a short term? Approximately? How long

2075
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:15,240
Speaker 1: is long term? Not trying to pin you down too much,

2076
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,320
Speaker 1: just want a better idea of what you mean. Many thanks.

2077
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: So what I mean is I don't think that we

2078
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 1: solve this in the next election cycle or two. You know,

2079
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 1: I'll give you the sort of the dark example I

2080
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 1: use In nineteen thirty nine, I think I would have

2081
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:30,599
Speaker 1: described I'd like to think I would have described our

2082
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 1: situation in America even as short term pessimistic, long term optimistic. Right,

2083
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,560
Speaker 1: our economy was still shaky. Things were you know, we

2084
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 1: saw that our allies were in you know, things weren't

2085
01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: going well in Europe, and you know, something seemed wrong.

2086
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: You saw that there was an American Nazi Party developing

2087
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 1: all sorts of like ugly stuff, and by nineteen forty six,

2088
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 1: I'd have been right that we were. Things were short

2089
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 1: term pessimistic, long term optimistic. But a lot of bad

2090
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 1: stuff happened between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen forty six.

2091
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: Say a way for me to describe. But what I

2092
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 1: mean is, you know, it always takes sort of us

2093
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 1: one cycle longer than you think. Right. It was pretty

2094
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 1: clear when Teapot Dome and the stock market crash and

2095
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,040
Speaker 1: all of that was happening in the mid twenties that

2096
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 1: we probably needed a course correction in twenty eight, but

2097
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 1: we didn't get it till thirty two, you know. So

2098
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:26,240
Speaker 1: it is, it just usually feels like we're one more

2099
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: cycle than it should be. And so that's why, you know,

2100
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 1: I imagine we got to sort of we're going to

2101
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 1: have you know, it's going to take the Republican Party

2102
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 1: they've got to lose a couple in a row before

2103
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 1: they're going to reform themselves. Democrats probably have to lose

2104
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:44,880
Speaker 1: one more before they reformed. That's what I mean here.

2105
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,560
Speaker 1: It's sort of like, do I think we will collectively

2106
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,839
Speaker 1: turn a corner and start start in a more reform

2107
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 1: minded situation. You know, I'm a believer that this is

2108
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 1: we're in one of those moments where to get out

2109
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: of it, we'll do some serious amending of the constitution.

2110
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 1: We did it around the Civil War, we did it

2111
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 1: around right in and around the Mets. That was Teapot

2112
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:13,240
Speaker 1: Dome and the sort of the robber barons of that era.

2113
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 1: And it feels like we're on the cosp of something

2114
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 1: like that now, but it kind of needs some time

2115
01:56:18,680 --> 01:56:23,920
Speaker 1: to happen, so you know, you know, this is always

2116
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: the frustration. Right, nineteen thirty to nineteen forty is a

2117
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 1: blink of an eye when you look backwards. But in

2118
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, nineteen forty was ten years away, and it

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Speaker 1: felt like a long way away, right, But it wasn't

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Speaker 1: that far away. If by twenty thirty six were in

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Speaker 1: a different path and we've passed a couple of new

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Speaker 1: constitutional reforms that've set some age limits and you know

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Speaker 1: how old you can be to serve and things like this,

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Speaker 1: and you know that'd be about ten years from now.

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Speaker 1: Historically that's a small period of time, but it's going

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Speaker 1: to feel like a long way away as you and

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Speaker 1: I are discussing it now. I hope that gives you

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Speaker 1: some sort of sense of what I'm trying to what

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to communicate there when I say that, you

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Speaker 1: know we're not We're probably you know, not going to

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Speaker 1: quote unquote elect the right people or fix our incentives

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Speaker 1: in the next two election cycles. But in a decade

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Speaker 1: we will. Next question, first time, long time. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You didn't leave a name, but that's okay. I've been

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Speaker 1: being in the pod, being in the pod, binging the pod. Duh,

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Speaker 1: I can't read. Sorry, Anonymous. I've been been to the

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Speaker 1: pod and loved your recent chat with Mark Sany. I've

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Speaker 1: been reading about a theory that market's usually rise when

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Speaker 1: a new president takes office, but dip in the second

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Speaker 1: year before rebounding. Seem true for both Trump and Biden.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if that might repeat in twenty six and

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Speaker 1: what that means for investors. Also, as a fan of

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Speaker 1: your what ifs, how different do you think history would

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Speaker 1: have been if the US had been behind in the

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Speaker 1: space race? Would competition have pushed us to innovate even more?

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Speaker 1: You don't have to ask me about that hypothetical. Go

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Speaker 1: watch the movie for all Mankind movie. Excuse me, the

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Speaker 1: TV show for All Mankind. It's on Apple TV plus.

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Speaker 1: It is this is the what if scenario. The Soviets

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Speaker 1: beat the Americans to the moon, and basically it's exactly

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Speaker 1: the implication that losing makes us invest even more and essentially,

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Speaker 1: instead of a nuclear arms race that we have for

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Speaker 1: thirty years with the Soviets, we just have a space

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Speaker 1: race and we're headed to Mars by the nineties because

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Speaker 1: we never stopped investing in space once once once we

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Speaker 1: finally got to the moon. So I think frankly that

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Speaker 1: the folks that on that show have pretty much got

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Speaker 1: the scenario correctly. We will spend money to innovate when

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Speaker 1: we think it's a national security threat. Once we're winning,

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Speaker 1: we sometimes slow down our innovation. Right, We should have

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Speaker 1: based the moon a long time ago. We were there first,

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Speaker 1: We were there for a long time. Why did we

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Speaker 1: rest on our laurels. No, we didn't want to spend

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Speaker 1: the money at the time. We didn't think we had

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Speaker 1: to spend the money we had already won. It was

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Speaker 1: going to be tougher to sell the American public. Do

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Speaker 1: you know how much time has been lost in our

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Speaker 1: ability to travel the solar system. Imagine if we had

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Speaker 1: based the moon twenty years ago, we've already have you know,

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Speaker 1: people living on the Moon. We might have already found

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Speaker 1: an alternative energy source, right, but we won. We didn't.

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Speaker 1: It was tougher to make the case to spend more

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Speaker 1: money doing that when we had by the time the

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Speaker 1: seventies came along with stagflation. So but no, that show

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Speaker 1: made makes me. I think they make a reasonable case

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Speaker 1: that that's how we would have responded had we lost

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Speaker 1: the initial race to the Moon to the Soviets. Look,

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Speaker 1: I want to be we all know the long term

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Speaker 1: trajectory of the stock market is always up. That's just

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go about this presidential

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Speaker 1: term thing. It is interesting that Trump is the first

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Speaker 1: president a long time who technically the stock market during

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Speaker 1: his first term lost value, didn't gain value. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of my Democratic friends like to point out that

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Speaker 1: it seems democrat the stock market does better overall during

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Speaker 1: democratic presidencies than it does during Republican presidencies. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the data is the data. One could make an argument

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Speaker 1: is it because of policy set by Republicans that do that,

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Speaker 1: or is it because the confidence that people have in government,

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Speaker 1: and that's why people invest. I mean, you can sort

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Speaker 1: of argue both sides of the coin, but the biggest

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Speaker 1: and most important thing, you know, is the long term

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Speaker 1: trajectory usually is up because of the stability of the

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Speaker 1: United States. What happens if the stability of our economy

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Speaker 1: is being questioned. So I'm just very nervous about long

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Speaker 1: term independence of the FED. What that means we seem

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Speaker 1: to were we've we've we've we've allowed the same people

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Speaker 1: that gave us social media to try to give us

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Speaker 1: AI just a lot of things that should be of

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Speaker 1: concerned us that, you know, I again, to borrow a phrase,

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Speaker 1: I'm short term pessimistic about the stock market and long

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Speaker 1: term optimistic. An anybody should be long term optimistic about it,

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Speaker 1: because that's what history tells us. But something feels there's

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Speaker 1: you know, these these big cap stocks, they are they

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Speaker 1: really never are they really sort of never going to

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Speaker 1: reach a peak. So and I'm haunted by how familiar

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Speaker 1: and how similar things looked in the nineteen twenties to

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Speaker 1: what they look today. And the beginning of that decade

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Speaker 1: was a lot of public private partnerships that turned into

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Speaker 1: graft that by the end of that decade turned into

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Speaker 1: the stock market crush and the Great Depression. I'm not

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Speaker 1: predicting that, but there's a lot of there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of created wealth that feels it feels like it makes

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Speaker 1: the system more unstable than it should feel in the moment.

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's where I get a little bit nervous,

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Speaker 1: and you know, at a minimum, I'd look at this

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Speaker 1: current stock market more through the prism of what happens

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Speaker 1: when there's sort of new major technologies, right peak Internet.

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Speaker 1: You know, we kept investing, investing, but we knew there

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Speaker 1: would be a dip until you know, that sort of

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Speaker 1: weeded out the bad actors, right the pets dot Coms

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Speaker 1: of the world. What I keep asking my advisor is, Hey,

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Speaker 1: which one of these AI stocks is pets dot com?

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Speaker 1: You know. My thesis is that the more somebody talks

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Speaker 1: about AI and their quarterly earnings report, the less AI

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Speaker 1: they're actually probably using, because it feels like many of

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Speaker 1: these folks just drop the words AI in order to

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Speaker 1: try to get investors to spend money on their stock. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, but that's me playing cynic I love that

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Speaker 1: you're asking me these questions anonymous here. I don't have

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Speaker 1: your name here, but I don't come to me for

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Speaker 1: stock advice. I don't want to be held responsible for

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Speaker 1: your savings. All right. Next question comes from Doug and

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Speaker 1: he writes, Hey, I like your idea of revisiting, refreshing,

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Speaker 1: updating the Federals papers. My question, who are three people

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Speaker 1: today to step into the roles of Hamilton, Madison and

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Speaker 1: Jay to perform this duty. I don't mean who today

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Speaker 1: is the most representative of Hamilton, but who today are

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Speaker 1: three political thinkers best suited to express our ideals and aspirations. Boy,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. So, I, you know, look on the on

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Speaker 1: the right, I always read every you know. You know,

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Speaker 1: you could make a case and I'm gonna on the

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Speaker 1: conservative side. If you want a boomer conservative, it's George

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Speaker 1: will If you want a gen X conservative, it's David French.

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Speaker 1: And if you want a millennial conservative it'd be Matthew Contnatty.

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Speaker 1: I think they are interesting thinking on that front. I'd

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Speaker 1: love to see Derek Thompson tackle a Federalists paper or

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Speaker 1: two for sort of you know, team center, team center left,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to refer to him on that I

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Speaker 1: think it's fair, you know, maybe you would put a

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Speaker 1: maybe you'd have a Heather Cox Richardson for Team left

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Speaker 1: right on that I don't know. Those are those are

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Speaker 1: potential folks on that front. Some names that you don't

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Speaker 1: hear as often that I think I always learned something

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Speaker 1: from Greg Easterbrook. He writes a substack called Tuesday Morning Quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but he's also written some books. He's done a lot

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Speaker 1: of sort of culture and political commentary. He wrote a

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Speaker 1: book that I've I've often quoted. It's sort of like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're winning history, you know, basically meaning look

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Speaker 1: at all the great things that have happened, how many

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Speaker 1: lives have been saved, how much longer humans live? That

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Speaker 1: sort of like, you know, his whole thesis is we

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Speaker 1: moan and grown every day about how bad things are,

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Speaker 1: and actually, overall things continue to get better for the

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Speaker 1: human species. Yes we've got challenges with climate change, and

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Speaker 1: yes we've got these challenges here there, but that overall

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Speaker 1: we keep helping people live longer, we keep helping people

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Speaker 1: live softer and less harsh lives. Overall we keep raising

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Speaker 1: more people out of poverty. Anyway, he'd be somebody intriguing

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Speaker 1: on that list, maybe some elected officials that I might

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Speaker 1: be curious. You know, I'd want Ran Paul in the room.

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Speaker 1: I might want Michael Bennett in the room. I might

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Speaker 1: want Elizabeth Warren in the room. I might want Lisa

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Speaker 1: Murkowski in the room. You see where I'm going. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like, I want sort of people that

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Speaker 1: don't mind being challenging other intellects and at the same

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Speaker 1: time don't mind being challenged. That would just be my

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Speaker 1: own rule on this. So those are just a few

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Speaker 1: people i'd throw out there. You know. I'd certainly like

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Speaker 1: to I'd like to be a note taker. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I put myself there, but I'd certainly enjoy

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Speaker 1: being a note taker and a compiler of the various arguments.

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Speaker 1: And I'd love to moderate these debates about rewriting the

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Speaker 1: Federals papers House of that anyway, So there were a few,

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Speaker 1: there were a few thoughts there. I might. Oh, I'll

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Speaker 1: give you another one. Bill mcgraven, the guy who wrote

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Speaker 1: the make your Bed speech. He's somebody i'd like to

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Speaker 1: see a part of this conversation. All right, Hey, Chuck

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Speaker 1: and everyone at the podcast. I'd love to hear a

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Speaker 1: discussion about the ways the Trump administration is trying to

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Speaker 1: rig the next election Texas mail and ballots, troops in

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Speaker 1: blue cities, et cetera. What other ways might Trump try

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Speaker 1: to affect the election? How effective would they be? How

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Speaker 1: would DEM's fight back? Thanks sent from Planet Earth, edge

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Speaker 1: of the Milky Way. That is very funny. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that those folks, those of us that live on the

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Speaker 1: third rock from the sun, think it's just hilarious. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it is. I think if one person's attempt

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Speaker 1: to rig an election is another person's attempt to gain

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Speaker 1: an edge, right, And so I'm just you know, all mail.

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Speaker 1: You know, one person thinks doing more mail in balloting

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Speaker 1: is reform. Another person think that open things up to rigging.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just just trying to be Devil's advocate here

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Speaker 1: on this. I'm not saying you're not wrong that Trump

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Speaker 1: is trying to do everything he can. He is petrified

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Speaker 1: of Democrats getting subpoena power in the House, right. He

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Speaker 1: is petrified of irrelevancy, which if Democrats win one House

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Speaker 1: of Congress, his presidency becomes a lame duck immediately. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's also why he doesn't like to talk about twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight without his name in it, because that is

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Speaker 1: acknowledging that he's about to become an historical figure, but

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Speaker 1: in history, not in the present nor in the future.

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Speaker 1: So I think, look, he's certainly doing things that if

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Speaker 1: you were to say that's his goal. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: trying to subpoenas state records of voter files. You see

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Speaker 1: that they're going to monitor elections in Virginia, New Jersey, right,

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Speaker 1: are they looking for some sort of trigger to get

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Speaker 1: them more involved. So I'm not going to sit here

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Speaker 1: and rule out that there is some people in Trump's

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Speaker 1: orbit that want to fully rig this election. I would

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Speaker 1: just say, and I think others would say they're just

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Speaker 1: simply trying to gain an edge that anybody in political

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Speaker 1: power would be trying to do. I think it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear that Trump goes asked these sort of the normal rules.

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Speaker 1: You know, as I always said, there's you know, there

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Speaker 1: used to be honor among thieves in politics, and now

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Speaker 1: there is there is there's no honor anymore among among

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Speaker 1: some of them there, particularly on the right. So it

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Speaker 1: would you know, I I think if we really do

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Speaker 1: see troops, more troops and multiple cities at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and I just I guess I'm I'm still skeptical we're

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Speaker 1: going to beyond a couple of cities that are just

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Speaker 1: simply being used as an examples to quote own the

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Speaker 1: Libs and to fire up his base. But if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: I will I will flog myself on this podcast, and

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Speaker 1: and we will we will go from there. Next question

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Speaker 1: comes from Brian and right here in Arlington, Virginia. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm gonna make this the last question. Yeah, dear Chuck,

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Speaker 1: about an MTP fan and watch us since the speedbac

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Speaker 1: days a the founder as a young person, I particularly

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Speaker 1: enjoyed your work and russeer to your podcast as a

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Speaker 1: weekly must listen. Thank you well. I agree that the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment issues that have been emphasized in the wake

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Speaker 1: of the Kimmel cancelation are the most important. I disagree

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Speaker 1: with the characterization of what he actually said. Many well

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Speaker 1: respected commentators, including you, have said that Kimmel got the

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Speaker 1: that's wrong. I like to push back on that. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: he got a larger uncomfortable truth. Right. Isn't the scary

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Speaker 1: reality for the political right? The very thing that Spencer

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Speaker 1: Cox laments that Kirk's murderer is likely a product of

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Speaker 1: their own community, like the young man who shot Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump Pennsylvania, this disaffection and anger from within, Well, what's

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Speaker 1: your definition of community? If you know the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're doing this to each other, we all live in

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Speaker 1: this same community. I think the question is was this

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Speaker 1: politically motivated? And where you had somebody who believed that

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Speaker 1: the violence was justified to make a larger political statement.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think we all want to draw

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Speaker 1: the line at politically inspired murder, that this is not

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Speaker 1: who we are. That said, there's certainly plenty of examples

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Speaker 1: in American history where this is exactly who we've been.

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Speaker 1: And we've done this before, and we've had political murder,

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Speaker 1: politically inspired murder. So I'm not naive and say it

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. It it is. I guess you're implying that

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Speaker 1: demographically Kirk shooter, there are more people in Utah that

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Speaker 1: are demographically look like MAGA that also looked like the shooter.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's where you're going where I think others

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Speaker 1: would argue this is an ideological argument. So I think

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Speaker 1: really what MAGA doesn't want to accept it is that

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Speaker 1: they somehow it's this what about is am on violence?

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Speaker 1: And this is where I just draw the line everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you think only thirty percent of

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Speaker 1: your side is violent step percenter of theirs, and that

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Speaker 1: somehow because they have more violent people than your side

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Speaker 1: does ergo. You don't have to apologize for your violent people,

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Speaker 1: or you don't have to police your side. The problem

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Speaker 1: we have in American politics is these days is nobody's

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Speaker 1: willing to police their own right. You didn't have Democrats

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Speaker 1: trying to police Hunter Biden, and you didn't you don't

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Speaker 1: have any Republicans here trying to police the Trump family scam.

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Speaker 1: Here we have a full on kleptocracy inside the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party that's now the US government, and a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of House Republicans are doing nothing about it. I know

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Speaker 1: they're all ashamed of this, but they all want to

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Speaker 1: keep their job more than they want to do something

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Speaker 1: about it. And there were plenty of Democrats that didn't

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Speaker 1: want to do something about Hunter Biden or just wanted

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Speaker 1: to bury it because they didn't want to quote unquote

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Speaker 1: give the right an issue. That is the problem. There

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Speaker 1: is this constant we look at some political problem, and think,

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Speaker 1: how's it going to reflect in the great battle with

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Speaker 1: the other side, rather than boy, this is wrong, this

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Speaker 1: is not who we are. Let's just denounce this hard,

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Speaker 1: stop right. And I just don't want to play the

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Speaker 1: game of who's right or wrong on this, implying that

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Speaker 1: one side is trying to justify their violence more than

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Speaker 1: the other side. No matter how you're doing it, it's

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Speaker 1: never going to come out right and we all lose.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I'm not trying to be both

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Speaker 1: sideris both sides on this. I'm just trying to be

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Speaker 1: like we've got to there's certain things certain. If you've

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Speaker 1: ever had an argument with somebody you love and you

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Speaker 1: know in your heart you're right, but do you want

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Speaker 1: to be right? Prove that you're right to the point

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Speaker 1: where you no longer have a relationship with that person

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Speaker 1: that you love. I may be talking about a spouse,

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Speaker 1: a son and a daughter, father and mother. It's not

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Speaker 1: worth it, right, It's easier for everybody to admit some fault.

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Speaker 1: If everybody will admit some fault, right, you sort of

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Speaker 1: just say, man, we've got to cut, We've got to

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Speaker 1: turn the temperature down hardstop you know if you want

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Speaker 1: to sit here and argue who's got to turn the

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Speaker 1: temperature down more, then neither side's going to turn the

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Speaker 1: temperature down at all. If everybody agrees we need to

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Speaker 1: turn the temperature down, maybe it won't be enough. But

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Speaker 1: if we all turn it down a little bit, it's

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Speaker 1: a start, all right. I will drop my sanctimony there.

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Speaker 1: With that, I will see you in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to be prepared Election Night like no other,

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