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Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Don't Happy Be Worried. It's one more thing.
Speaker 2: What I was reminded of the Bobby McFerrin classic Don't
Speaker 2: Worry Be Happy the other day as it was listed
Speaker 2: on the Worst Songs of the nineties.
Speaker 1: I guess something that very popular. It was a cute
Speaker 1: little ditty. It's fine. I don't know, it's fine.
Speaker 2: People love, you know, slamming other people's choices in music
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: I gotta hate on being happy? Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2: But don't Happy Be Worried is the theme kind of
Speaker 2: sort of a really interesting study that's out.
Speaker 1: Researchers from the.
Speaker 2: University of Toronto, Scarborough and University of Sydney, the Canuckers
Speaker 2: joining up with the Australians. Trump will be you know,
Speaker 2: annexing them both soon. But anyway, for now, we'll let
Speaker 2: them have their cute little universities.
Speaker 1: But they they right.
Speaker 2: We live in a happiness obsessed world. Self help guru's
Speaker 2: promise paths to Bliss, Instagram influencers pedal. Happiness is a lifestyle,
Speaker 2: and corporations build marketing campaigns around the pursuit of positive emotions.
Speaker 2: But new research suggests, say surprising twist.
Speaker 1: I doubt yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Trying to art to be happy might make you miserable.
Speaker 2: The researchers that the aforementioned universities found that actively pursuing
Speaker 2: happiness drains our mental energy, the same energy we need
Speaker 2: for self control, among other things. Says the researcher, the
Speaker 2: pursuit of happiness is a bit like a snowball effect.
Speaker 2: You decide to try making yourself happier, but then that
Speaker 2: effort deplete your ability to do the kinds of things
Speaker 2: that actually make you happier.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, there's the key right there. What kind
Speaker 1: of things actually make you happy?
Speaker 3: So among my favorite books I've ever read in my
Speaker 3: life the Art of Happiness by the Dali Lama, which
Speaker 3: he says, your goal every morning when you wake.
Speaker 1: Up should be to make yourself happy. You should spend
Speaker 1: all your time trying to make yourself happy. That's what
Speaker 1: you should do.
Speaker 3: But it gets down to the data on what makes
Speaker 3: you happy and what doesn't. And many, many of the
Speaker 3: things we all do every single day don't make us happy.
Speaker 3: They've never made us happy. We have ample evidence from
Speaker 3: our own experience, let alone other people's experience, that it
Speaker 3: doesn't make us happy, yet we continue doing it, like
Speaker 3: eating bad food or buying stuff, or promiscuous sex or
Speaker 3: whatever it is. It has never made us in the happy,
Speaker 3: It doesn't make other people happy, yet we keep thinking
Speaker 3: that's what's gonna make us happy. So pursuing happiness every
Speaker 3: day is okay. You just need to define what makes
Speaker 3: people actually makes people happy.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is the key. Pleasure is not happiness. Fun
Speaker 2: is not happiness, right, it can be part of it.
Speaker 1: We mentioned all them. No life of purpose is what
Speaker 1: makes people happy? Yeah? Yeah, happy happy. You wake up
Speaker 1: determined to have a great day.
Speaker 2: You plan mood boosting activities and work hard to stay positive,
Speaker 2: but by evening you're ordering takeout instead of cooking. Mindlessly
Speaker 2: scrolling social media and snapping at your partner, while your
Speaker 2: pursuit of happiness might be the problem. The scientist marketing
Speaker 2: professor puts it bluntly. Quote, the more mentally run down
Speaker 2: we are, the more tempted will be to skip cleaning
Speaker 2: the house and instead scroll social media.
Speaker 3: And they're saying the same thing as the Dalai Lama says,
Speaker 3: I just I like the way he words it. It's
Speaker 3: a little more positive. Pursue happiness all day, every day.
Speaker 3: That should be your goal in life, that should be
Speaker 3: everybody's goal. But now let's break down what actually makes
Speaker 3: people happy, as opposed to saying don't pursue happiness, because
Speaker 3: then it seems like it's a gotta eat my vegetables,
Speaker 3: gotta you know, all negative stuff and maybe there'll be
Speaker 3: a payoff.
Speaker 1: In the end. Right.
Speaker 2: It's like the difference between pursuing money and pursuing the
Speaker 2: skills that will make you money. In a way, Katie,
Speaker 2: do you have something you want to jump in with?
Speaker 2: You look thoughtful.
Speaker 4: I I'm kind of overthinking this, I think Okay, to
Speaker 4: be honest, Well, it's.
Speaker 3: It's amazing that human beings do things that make themselves
Speaker 3: unhappy all the time, all the time. It's just like
Speaker 3: one of the most common things we do is do
Speaker 3: things that make us unhappy. Eat stuff that's gonna make
Speaker 3: us either feel bad in the moment or make us
Speaker 3: feel bad long term, or you know, pursue relationships that
Speaker 3: we know aren't good. But there's either sex, prestige, whatever
Speaker 3: that that makes you do it. Just we regularly chase
Speaker 3: things that we know are bad for us, right right.
Speaker 4: My brain was going with, like, things you don't want
Speaker 4: to do, but the payoff in the end is good.
Speaker 3: Oh, the simplest one is the stirring at your phone.
Speaker 3: Nobody ever, at the end of the day says I'm
Speaker 3: sure glad I spent that much time scrolling on my phone.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever, not even for one day, right right.
Speaker 2: I was just going to contrast doom scrolling on Twitter,
Speaker 2: which I have the compulsion to do and I resist
Speaker 2: pretty well most times, versus the other day. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is as mundane as can be. I cleaned out
Speaker 2: my closet. I went through it thin, the herd of clothing,
Speaker 2: you know, shoes that don't where, etc. It's neater, it's
Speaker 2: better organized. It's just it's better. And that made me happy,
Speaker 2: right Like happy. Yeah, like today, I was not pleasurable.
Speaker 4: I would love to lay on my couch all day,
Speaker 4: but I know I have laundry to do, and when
Speaker 4: I get it done, I'm going to be happy that
Speaker 4: it's done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Was just reading an obituary of a fella that I
Speaker 2: barely knew, and it was post retirement, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: But he filled his life with the Boys and Girls
Speaker 2: Club of the area where he lived, and it was
Speaker 2: really pivotal in guiding them through difficult financial times and
Speaker 2: growing the programs and stuff like that. I'll bet there
Speaker 2: was very little of that that was pleasurable. Some of
Speaker 2: it was because watching kids learn and grow is immensely satisfying,
Speaker 2: but there's a hell of a lot of work there,
Speaker 2: and I guarantee that made him happy to his soul.
Speaker 5: I think the best happiness comes from accomplishments. It could
Speaker 5: be like mowing the grass. Like you're pushing the mower
Speaker 5: and you look back and you see what you've done,
Speaker 5: and then when you're all finished, you look at and you think, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm really feeling happy.
Speaker 1: So why then, evolutionary speaking, why are we is our
Speaker 1: body screaming out to now mow the lawn tomorrow, lay
Speaker 1: on on the couch watching this football game is what.
Speaker 3: It's going to make me happy. Even though you're absolutely right. Afterwards,
Speaker 3: I think, why did I watch? I don't even care
Speaker 3: about these two teams as opposed to you'll feel happy
Speaker 3: after you all the one.
Speaker 2: Well, the greatest minds of our time are devoted toward
Speaker 2: getting you to do things for pleasure for their profit
Speaker 2: in a way.
Speaker 1: That didn't exist.
Speaker 2: I mean even two hundred years ago there's advertisement, but
Speaker 2: it was not nearly as effective, manipulative and scientifically based
Speaker 2: as modern you know, like like Facebook, TikTok. My god,
Speaker 2: we as a species don't stand a chance against that
Speaker 2: sort of neurological manipul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed recently. I don't know if my well,
Speaker 1: I just I guess I just started doing the Instagram
Speaker 1: reels thing. I'd never done it beforeth It's kind of
Speaker 1: the American version of TikTok, I guess. Anyway.
Speaker 3: What's disappointing to me is it's not like doom scrolling
Speaker 3: or something where I think why did I do that?
Speaker 3: Or it's pretty good, it's pretty enjoyable. It feeds me
Speaker 3: lots of stuff.
Speaker 1: I really like, I mean like really like, here's some
Speaker 1: rare concert footage that it figured out i'd be into
Speaker 1: that I've never seen before and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: it kills a freaking hour where I should either been
Speaker 1: sleeping or exercising or whatever. So it's actually it's actually enjoyable,
Speaker 1: like really enjoyable in the time. So that's what I
Speaker 1: got to fight now is not even start. I am
Speaker 1: going to further parse language.
Speaker 2: You got pleasure, you got happiness, and Michael, to your point,
Speaker 2: you have satisfaction. Maybe that's another word to think about
Speaker 2: happiness and satisfaction as opposed to pleasure.
Speaker 1: If you don't say you're retired and you don't really
Speaker 1: need to accomplish anything.
Speaker 2: That's when it's the most important, according to everybody I've
Speaker 2: talked to, to have some purpose.
Speaker 3: You don't think you could just look at Instagram reels
Speaker 3: feeding your stuff that you actually enjoy and be okay,
Speaker 3: or would you be miserable.
Speaker 1: You'll be dead soon. I don't know. I can't state
Speaker 1: that you know with confidence, but.
Speaker 2: I've read a fair amount about retirement, which is funny
Speaker 2: because I don't know.
Speaker 1: Probably like my job too much.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you're the sort of person who just
Speaker 2: retires and you have nothing to do.
Speaker 1: It makes people miserable even if you have things to do.
Speaker 2: You have TikTok. You have something to do. And the
Speaker 2: golf course, I just play golf. I look at TikTok
Speaker 2: Cup of the morning. I go play golf again that
Speaker 2: I look at TikTok.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've since I started on Instagram reels. It's in
Speaker 3: the TikTok algorithm. Scares me if it's substantially better. Like
Speaker 3: I was listening to Sarah Iger of The Dispatch saying,
Speaker 3: if you think Instagram reels is addictive, you have no idea.
Speaker 3: Because she got sucked into TikTok and then got it
Speaker 3: off her phone. She says, just so good. It's just
Speaker 3: every day stuff. I love that. I'm super into.
Speaker 1: My daughter did the same thing. That's why I feel
Speaker 1: with Instagram reels, like, man, is it good? With coming
Speaker 1: up stuff that I like? S and l clips, concert videos,
Speaker 1: stuff that I just love. But you can't, you know,
Speaker 1: want to live their life doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, Lord knows, I've lived a checkered life.
Speaker 2: But one gift that I got somehow or other, And
Speaker 2: this may shock you folks. I used to take walks
Speaker 2: on the wild side now and again, not in the
Speaker 2: lou reads and it's not gender bending madness, but you know,
Speaker 2: occasionally in the I could roll a world of the
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, there were substances about and there are
Speaker 2: a couple of experiences I had where I thought, no,
Speaker 2: I like this too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it is with the tickety talk.
Speaker 2: From what I've heard, you realize I am powerless against this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like an endless.
Speaker 4: They provide you endless entertainment on there, especially when they
Speaker 4: figure out what you like.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do that.
Speaker 3: For hours that I wonder if that's what happened. I
Speaker 3: wonder if I spend enough time on Instagram that it
Speaker 3: was able to Okay, now we know we got him
Speaker 3: figured out. Yeah, because it just seems like in the
Speaker 3: last week or so, it's like really grabbed me.
Speaker 4: Well, And what sucks about that is because I thought,
Speaker 4: I I'm a dumb ass. I thought I could outsmart
Speaker 4: the algorithm because I thought, maybe if I don't interact
Speaker 4: with any posts, you don't like anything.
Speaker 1: I don't interact with any of them, but it picks
Speaker 1: up your eyeballs or no, it picks up your watch time.
Speaker 4: So if you so like let's say you're scrolling, you
Speaker 4: stop on a video and you spend the time to
Speaker 4: watch that video, the algorithm goes, Okay, we kept him
Speaker 4: here for such and such a.
Speaker 3: Second because I didn't click on it. I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: It was just part of a stream.
Speaker 2: It's just because you watched it. I am going to
Speaker 2: rewatch on YouTube. The social dilemma. The thing is so
Speaker 2: good documentary, Jack, you gotta watch that. You got it,
Speaker 2: You just gotta.
Speaker 3: Can They put it in twenty second chunks on a
Speaker 3: Instagram reel.
Speaker 1: Jeez, we can't save him? Was I gonna say? I
Speaker 1: had one more thing to say about this. It's just
Speaker 1: how good it is at figuring out stuff that you
Speaker 1: really really like. It's it's troubling, actually, and there's stuff
Speaker 1: that it would have been hard for me to find,
Speaker 1: like on my own. Oh I was.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about they fixed what used to be.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're old enough for this or not.
Speaker 1: Katie.
Speaker 3: You probably are back when you used to. You want something,
Speaker 3: You sit down, you think, how do I have one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty channels and there's nothing I like? Here
Speaker 3: you click through and there's nothing you like. They fixed that.
Speaker 3: It's the opposite. Now you like every single thing on
Speaker 3: every channel. They know exactly what you're into. They got
Speaker 3: your sports thing, your music thing, your kid's thing. You're
Speaker 3: just every every channel is something you love as you
Speaker 3: click through. It's the exact opposite of what he used
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: Right, Leggy blonde guitar players playing golf, constant videos, sexy
Speaker 2: golfing guitarists giving me lessons.
Speaker 1: With a dog doing something funny and a kid doing
Speaker 1: something cute. Yes, yes, see.
Speaker 5: If you guys agree with this, false happiness comes immediately,
Speaker 5: Real happiness comes later.
Speaker 1: You have to wait for real happy. Pretty much always
Speaker 1: is the case. You The Armstrong and Getdy Show. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking of doing a feature. Maybe I'll do it
Speaker 3: on Twitter someplace called did you eat worse than me today?
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Actually my brother might be even better at that. Put
Speaker 3: up against that, like take it at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, take a look at what he ate. See
Speaker 3: if anybody ate worse that? But like yesterday, here here's
Speaker 3: what I ate yesterday.
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 3: Uh well, I had like through almost four hours of
Speaker 3: zoom calls with various doctors and therapists after working in
Speaker 3: a variety of other things. So it's just constantly running
Speaker 3: around stressful pain and the ass.
Speaker 1: Stuff and to make a person completely insane. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I just running from one thing to another thing
Speaker 1: to another thing and having to make major decisions of
Speaker 1: this or so. But so I went through drive through,
Speaker 1: got four cheeseburgers and McDonald's and then I went home
Speaker 1: and washed that down with some chocolate birthday cake. So
Speaker 1: that was like the major portion of my eating yesterday. Wow.
Speaker 1: And uh, I just I thought, does anybody, especially my age,
Speaker 1: eating as poorly as me? And how is my body
Speaker 1: just not stopped? Just said, all right, if you don't care,
Speaker 1: we don't care. Drop dead. You know, there's probably somebody
Speaker 1: out there that can best you. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing there like a six hundred pound trucker or something
Speaker 1: like that. I can't beget us. I tell you what
Speaker 1: I was thinking to you yesterday.
Speaker 2: I was fighting through one of those miserable situations where
Speaker 2: the tax guy says, you've got to have this form
Speaker 2: I tind to do with a health savings account.
Speaker 1: Oh ah, and the.
Speaker 2: Benefits people at the one of the fabulous and patriotic
Speaker 2: American corporations that we're associated with. Theoretically they have this
Speaker 2: form theoretically, but you got to get signed in. I
Speaker 2: sign in two accounts that have that same user ID
Speaker 2: every day, every day. But apparently for this sub account,
Speaker 2: that user that password does not count. So it was
Speaker 2: a back and forth with Benefits and HR with various
Speaker 2: double authenticated signing codes and the rest of it. And
Speaker 2: it was my brilliant wife, myself, my iPhone, my iPad,
Speaker 2: and my MacBook.
Speaker 1: All involved in an all ferens. It's like a Mike
Speaker 1: Lyons is always talking about how you have to have
Speaker 1: the infantry and air support and artillery and tanks and
Speaker 1: logistics to win the war of getting this heffing form.
Speaker 2: And I thought, there you are trying to deal with
Speaker 2: the fellas, and I salute you. You scrambling parents everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's not easy, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God dang it.
Speaker 3: So I mentioned the other day about trying to get
Speaker 3: my son on the Hot Lunch. You finally want to
Speaker 3: eat the hot lunch. And it's a different website that
Speaker 3: uses a different log in that has a different password,
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 2: A it has a different log in, because you can't
Speaker 2: have the Russians stealing the secrets of.
Speaker 1: Our fish stack. But I'm surprised, no what he's made
Speaker 1: the argument, maybe I'll do this because maybe it would
Speaker 1: help that this has got to be especially tough on
Speaker 1: people with lesser education and lesser resources, people that don't
Speaker 1: have iPads and iPhones and college degrees in everything like that.
Speaker 1: How are they supposed to navigate this crap.
Speaker 3: To take advantage of, you know, your various things that
Speaker 3: you can do in the modern world. You gotta throw
Speaker 3: in people of color. If you don't, you're a fool.
Speaker 3: Whatever it would take to try to streamline this stuff.
Speaker 2: Our native peoples have been shown to have seventy eight
Speaker 2: percent more trouble finding their password yes than white people.
Speaker 1: Throw that nobody will check it. Nobody checks any of
Speaker 1: this crap. I love that angle.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start working that angle to see if I
Speaker 3: can get things fixed.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and get you you you, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Well, pressure, this is the Armstrong and
Speaker 1: Getty Show, the Armstrong and Getty Show. What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've got a pretty good immune system
Speaker 3: for stuff like normal diseases that go around. I usually
Speaker 3: don't get them. What would it be like if I
Speaker 3: ate better? I might be impenetrable.
Speaker 2: You could be well, you're you're just at the tail
Speaker 2: and raising little kids. Now you have teenagers, so you
Speaker 2: have been enrolled in the marine boot camp right of
Speaker 2: immune systems raising children. So I've got a number of
Speaker 2: people in my orbit who take nothing when they get
Speaker 2: a cold. They don't they believe it's all bs, and
Speaker 2: they don't take anything. I take a few things.
Speaker 3: Do you take anything? Do you think anything works? Katie's
Speaker 3: nodding her head. We'll start with you. I take theraflu.
Speaker 3: You take theraflu. I have found that to work. I
Speaker 3: don't care if it's PLACEBIA. If I suffer from PLACEBIA,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter to me. As long as I feel better.
Speaker 3: I don't need anybody to tell me it doesn't. Actually,
Speaker 3: I don't care. I feel better. Do you take anything
Speaker 3: like tile and all or I view profen. At one
Speaker 3: point I was down with the zinc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I couldn't figure out what form, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of remember when nobody got a cold during COVID. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've fallen out of I don't remember what to do anymore.
Speaker 3: I got a bottle of uh, it's you know something
Speaker 3: or other they say take when a cold first you
Speaker 3: first start to get the symptoms of a cold, and
Speaker 3: it's zinc and a couple other things. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if they do anything, but I feel like if
Speaker 3: I take that, if I do get the cold, it's
Speaker 3: much milder.
Speaker 1: Again, might be in my head, I don't care. I
Speaker 1: also use zycham, yeah, which is awesome. I've heard people
Speaker 1: recommend sinuses and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I tend not to trust my own experience because the
Speaker 2: data set isn't big enough.
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have no information that there's anything wrong with taking
Speaker 2: that stuff, and what the hell it worst is harmless?
Speaker 2: But you're not a take nothing guy or no, I am,
Speaker 2: pretty much, although I'm thinking now that you mentioned it,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll take some tile and all or something. I
Speaker 2: actually my symptoms aren't that bad other than just overwhelming
Speaker 2: fatigue at this point.
Speaker 5: Now, do you guys take niq will And that's what
Speaker 5: I do, and I go to sleep afraid of it.
Speaker 1: You're afraid of night time niquil? Yeah, Well, with our hours,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: If I wake up groggy or oversleep, that's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: Alcoholics are not supposed to take NyQuil because it's basically
Speaker 3: taken a shot alcohol to help sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't for the reason Katie cided. I just
Speaker 2: it's hard enough to get up in the morning and
Speaker 2: be semi sharp. Yeah, listeners of the first hour of
Speaker 2: the radio showing not very sharp.
Speaker 3: One thing with giving your kids stuff, you kind of
Speaker 3: have a better gauge of whether it's actually doing anything
Speaker 3: or not, especially when they're little. They're too young to
Speaker 3: like and uh, most stuff I don't think does much.
Speaker 1: All right? Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Remember when that one thing that was ubiquitous on the
Speaker 2: still it drug store shelves of America.
Speaker 3: It's still in every freaking drug I buy, Every cold
Speaker 3: medicine you buy still has that fenel en run or
Speaker 3: whatever it's called in it. And the government announced it
Speaker 3: does nothing. We're completely different. The FDA said it does
Speaker 3: zero zero, it's a nothing and it's an iri cold medicine.
Speaker 1: Still, you're wasting your time on the fenel helamelo melo
Speaker 1: till right, yes, hell, well, how do you say it? Katie?
Speaker 3: Looking at it? But so it's on yours. What are
Speaker 3: you looking at right there?
Speaker 1: This is DayQuil. When I had this flu last.
Speaker 4: Time around, I took everything under the sun that I
Speaker 4: could get my hands on because I was trying to
Speaker 4: get rid of that crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in here too. Every cold medicine in every
Speaker 1: aisle of every store that sells cold medicine has drugs
Speaker 1: full of that, and the government announced it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: I just think that's weird, just counting on that people
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: It's because it's funny to say, oh, yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: the percentage of people you know. Honestly, we've posed this
Speaker 2: question in many contexts in recent days and through the years.
Speaker 2: What percentage of Americans? One of us will ask the
Speaker 2: other do you think knows that anything story or or anything? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And in this case, what percentage do you think could
Speaker 2: tell you? Oh, yeah, Fennel elephant here is it's it
Speaker 2: was worthless. I remember that news story be a very
Speaker 2: very small number.
Speaker 1: I suppose you're right. Okay, this says Feda left freen
Speaker 1: FENI la Freene. That's the way he sat.
Speaker 2: Okay, Fennel left Frene fenelefrine, I like, your guys, is
Speaker 2: better than elephant.
Speaker 1: Well, since it doesn't do anything, I'll call whatever I
Speaker 1: want to call it. It's a bunch of wowches, hilarious.
Speaker 1: What you got too much blood in your body is
Speaker 1: your problem?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You got to bleed your feet. You don't have the
Speaker 1: uh stomach to actually slice open your own feet. Isn't
Speaker 1: that what killed George Washington? You? Yeah, well it hastened
Speaker 1: his death certainly. Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a bit of a history freak and a
Speaker 2: bit of a medical history hobbyist and a great admirer
Speaker 2: of George Washington. That was I listened with rapt attention
Speaker 2: and like committed it all the memory there in his
Speaker 2: bedroom where he died, as you're there by his bedside,
Speaker 2: probably a recreation. But and they explained that, yeah, he
Speaker 2: had what did they think he had? I can't remember
Speaker 2: the disease. I didn't memorize it that effectively, obviously, But
Speaker 2: the doctors in he probably did not have aids uh.
Speaker 1: He was an honorable and elderly man.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that the doctors in treating him for what was
Speaker 2: probably whatever the hell, just kept saying, yeah, we got
Speaker 2: to bleed the feet and let out the bad humors,
Speaker 2: and he'd like grally a little bit, and they'd think, yeah,
Speaker 2: we probably ought to bleed his feet more.
Speaker 1: He died. What if you don't have enough red blood
Speaker 1: cells anemia? He probably died. And it was all that
Speaker 1: for a throat infection, is what the interwebs said. Too
Speaker 1: much bloody is your problem?
Speaker 2: Yeah, streptococcal infection or something. He should have taken some
Speaker 2: phenahell element, a little bit elephant.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: So I started out the podcast. I figure I might
Speaker 2: as well pay it off. And this is this is
Speaker 2: pleasant and delightful. A bread making craze has begun in
Speaker 2: my extended family. Oh cool, Yeah, I remember during the
Speaker 2: pandemic when people started doing that, and so yeah, grub.
Speaker 2: Oddly enough, it began with a relative who has some
Speaker 2: sensory issues, Jack, something you know about, and certainly I do,
Speaker 2: having raised an autistic daughter. But anyway, a certain homemade
Speaker 2: bread seemed to be great, and it happens to be
Speaker 2: unfreaking believably delicious. I'm going to keep things vague to
Speaker 2: protect the innocent, but say my it was my uncle Morty,
Speaker 2: and we would make reference to Morty bread and how
Speaker 2: good it was. And Morty when he would come for
Speaker 2: a visit would always leave a loaf. And when I
Speaker 2: was through with Morty bread, I was very very sad
Speaker 2: because it was so good.
Speaker 1: Before I leave work today, Oh god, Jesus boy, you
Speaker 1: know Jack? You know what, Katie, I just do you
Speaker 1: want to go off and do our own thing? Could we?
Speaker 1: Would you take me? Wouldn't ever? Yeah, Michael, you're higher
Speaker 1: and here you can watch Jack. We're out of here,
Speaker 1: you can you guess is going to be like?
Speaker 2: And this, this is this happened to me at least
Speaker 2: once in my youth. It was explained to me, Hey,
Speaker 2: the band just got a break up. We just we
Speaker 2: can't do this and it's too much trouble to do that.
Speaker 2: And so we're breaking up. And then a week later here,
Speaker 2: yeah they're playing he just got a different dude played
Speaker 2: your instrument.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. Wow, So that's what we're doing
Speaker 1: to Jack right now. Yeah. We I'm really not gonna
Speaker 1: do it radio anymore.
Speaker 3: That's like the they break up with you because I
Speaker 3: just I just don't think I should be in a
Speaker 3: relationship right now. And then you see them walking down
Speaker 3: the street holding hands with somebody. Yeah, next weekend. Oh okay, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going into bread making. You guys have fun. Okay,
Speaker 3: the bread making, I am that's something I would like
Speaker 3: to actually learn how to do one because I love
Speaker 3: homemade bread and it just seems like could be a
Speaker 3: cool craft.
Speaker 2: And I pronounced, having enjoyed some bread, and then switched
Speaker 2: back to the regular stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's just so much better.
Speaker 2: And so Judy got a new mixer because our old
Speaker 2: mixer's motor was kind of funky. And so now she's
Speaker 2: got this big, like industry looking mixer. And she made
Speaker 2: a couple of loafs of what's known as the mort
Speaker 2: He Bred. And my lost student daughter made herself some bread,
Speaker 2: although one of her two cats stepped on the bread
Speaker 2: as it was proofing, which I guess means rising or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so one of the loaves is robust and very
Speaker 2: healthy looking, and the other loaf is really.
Speaker 1: Just excuse me loaf, because I can't ruined it, damn cats.
Speaker 1: The cat stepped on the bread. But you're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and make it anyway, doesn't that mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you put it in the oven at
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty degrees for a half an hour
Speaker 2: or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I don't know that I want letterbox bread. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this tastes a little like whatever a cat walks through. Well, now,
Speaker 1: I will tell you this.
Speaker 2: Having baby sat my daughter's cats for three weeks over Christmas,
Speaker 2: she does occasionally get ready the bleeper. She doesn't occasionally
Speaker 2: refer to their s mittens because they.
Speaker 1: You know, they pooh out, they poo in the box,
Speaker 1: then they walk out of the box. Sure, that's that's see,
Speaker 1: that's not a tasty term. Like they dip their taws
Speaker 1: and some paus and some sort of disinfectant on their
Speaker 1: way out. Must clean the palls after one poos you there, No,
Speaker 1: they don't do that. That's a great term.
Speaker 3: It is, and discuss we've got cats and Michael there,
Speaker 3: I'm going to use that term patting around in mittens
Speaker 3: all over your house.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start calling people mittens. This is great, Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, this is many charming folks. I apologize. I
Speaker 1: work at this guy and working with and told me
Speaker 1: the other day, but a bunch of mittens around here?
Speaker 1: Why do I put up with it?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 1: Anyway? Where was I?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk out the various things that are
Speaker 1: so far superior in their homemade version, right, but we've
Speaker 1: kind of drifted so far away from it. Like I
Speaker 1: brewed beer for a while. My brother brewis beer and
Speaker 1: it's so good.
Speaker 2: He's actually got the cooler with two taps, and anytime
Speaker 2: we visit his house he has home brewed beer in
Speaker 2: kegs on tap.
Speaker 1: Wow, icy cold on his patio. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so although if I lived like that, I
Speaker 2: would be a flaming alcoholic in three hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five pounds. But if there's a downside, but I'd be
Speaker 2: happy and I wouldn't be thinking about my problems, and
Speaker 2: people would be more interesting.
Speaker 1: But bread might be at the top of the list.
Speaker 1: Beer is close. I say cookies, and I'm a bit
Speaker 1: of a purest, maybe a bit of a pain in
Speaker 1: the ass. I know that's hard to imagine. I will
Speaker 1: not eat store bought cookies. I just I won't because
Speaker 1: the calories and the taste.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, those cookies that I sent you guys, the
Speaker 4: picture of o her break that I made.
Speaker 1: They were so I know. Homemade cookie is it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's like sex. It's so good.
Speaker 3: I grew up in Wisconsin with a lot of homemade butter,
Speaker 3: and homemade butter is just so much better than what
Speaker 3: he did in the store.
Speaker 1: It's like a different thing you for each brother. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't know if you put homemade, and I had forgotten
Speaker 1: how good it was. So this field trip my son
Speaker 1: went on to a couple of years ago, they churn buttered.
Speaker 3: They I spent more time churning than the kids did,
Speaker 3: but as I was one of the chaperones, but I
Speaker 3: turned up the exactly their weedy little arms. I turned
Speaker 3: up the butter, and I'd forgotten how good it is.
Speaker 3: You put homemade butter on homemade bread and you have
Speaker 3: a flip and treat right there.
Speaker 1: That sounds wonderful. I'm guessing.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm just I'm in the process of trying
Speaker 4: to make sour dough bread because that's my favorite oh
Speaker 4: of life, and I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten it down yet because it's complicated.
Speaker 2: But we missed the whole getting a starter going during
Speaker 2: COVID thing I wish we had. But yeah, Jack, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are semi overpriced like electric butter turns you
Speaker 2: can get from you know, sharper imagure whatever.
Speaker 3: We did it the old timy away with a look
Speaker 3: like the thing you've seen in old timey movies with
Speaker 3: a stick in a cylinder with a hole on the top.
Speaker 1: It kind of looks a little sexual. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're doing this thing. Sometimes a cigar is just
Speaker 1: a cigar. But yeah, homemade butter, that's that's what you
Speaker 1: gotta add. You have homemade bread with homemade butter. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: got to do it. I'm looking at how to make
Speaker 1: homemade butter. It doesn't look that difficult. It's not hard
Speaker 1: at all. I'm going to try it today. Do it, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then report back. Oh so good, Get me a
Speaker 1: tub not that sort of stuff to and sell over
Speaker 1: there at the store. Oh, I know it, I know it.
Speaker 5: My mom bakes bread and she's the sweetest woman ever.
Speaker 5: But when her yeast doesn't rise, f bombs.
Speaker 1: Stay to the kitchen man In Danger, Danger, Armstrong and
Speaker 1: the Armstrong and Getti Show.
Speaker 3: My son was playing the drums at the high school
Speaker 3: basketball game, the first time I've watched him do it
Speaker 3: at the basketball game, and I hadn't been banned situation drumline.
Speaker 3: So it's just all drums. But first time I've been
Speaker 3: inside a small high school gym watching a game with
Speaker 3: all that goes on with that in many, many decades.
Speaker 1: It hasn't changed a bit. Really. It was a lot
Speaker 1: more people staring at their phones than the last time I.
Speaker 1: Nobody was staring at some piece of equipment in their
Speaker 1: hand back the last time I was in a gym.
Speaker 1: But other than that, it was all the same.
Speaker 3: And I wish this weren't true. I know this makes
Speaker 3: me a crazy person, but I get just as uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I was just as uncomfortable last night being in that
Speaker 3: gym as I was when I was in a high
Speaker 3: school myself, and all the dynamics of high school and
Speaker 3: everything that goes on with that and everything, and how
Speaker 3: much I hated it, and how how it just freaked
Speaker 3: me out. I feel exactly the same way now, and
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's some sort of PTSD, right, It's
Speaker 3: got to be, because obviously I don't need to know
Speaker 3: if the cool group thinks I've got the right shoes
Speaker 3: on or anything now.
Speaker 2: Right, And your shoes are lovely, by the way, We're
Speaker 2: all just commenting on what nice shoes you have.
Speaker 1: Whatever the stupid moronic dynamics of high school are you know?
Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely anthropological.
Speaker 2: It's at the point that you're really becoming in charge
Speaker 2: of keeping your DNA alive. You take in data about
Speaker 2: what's a danger, what's good, what's bad, and it burns
Speaker 2: permanent pathways in your head so you don't have to
Speaker 2: be reminded of it again just to survive.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I wouldn't call being in.
Speaker 2: The same room with your your first love PTSD good,
Speaker 2: But does that bring on a lot of emotion?
Speaker 1: That's a good loan, that's that's a pretty good. That's
Speaker 1: pretty good. That's per charitable and pretty good. And it's
Speaker 1: so easy. I feel like the spot as I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there in the gym, I can say, Okay, there's the
Speaker 1: cool group. They just walked in, look at the like
Speaker 1: the water's part as they walk through, and everybody stared
Speaker 1: hated them a little, didn't you. I don't know. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't think I hated them. I don't think I
Speaker 3: ever hated them. I was scared of them, but I
Speaker 3: didn't hate them. Then there's there's the group that wants
Speaker 3: to be them but not quite is, and there's the outliers.
Speaker 3: They're kind of standing alone over there, and they wish
Speaker 3: they could be part of any group.
Speaker 1: And you can. You can just see all the dynamics
Speaker 1: of high school just right there in front of you.
Speaker 2: You're freaking everyone out. This is making me really uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: which proves your point.
Speaker 1: Now's your chance, Jack. You see that cool group, you
Speaker 1: can tell them off. Listen, you think you're so cool. See,
Speaker 1: I don't. I never, I don't. I didn't have that feeling.
Speaker 1: Then I don't have that feeling. Now tell them off
Speaker 1: for what? How dare you be attractive and have good
Speaker 1: personalities and good at something?
Speaker 5: How?
Speaker 1: And screw you? I'm I didn't feel that way them.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way, and that's healthy, that's right.
Speaker 1: You gotta tear them down. Life is a zero some game.
Speaker 1: Their happiness is your unhappiness. Look at your DEI training.
Speaker 1: If they have something, it's because they stole it. There's
Speaker 1: no such thing as merits. There's a certain amount of
Speaker 1: happiness to go around. There was a particular guy and
Speaker 1: girl that walked in high school. Guy and girl and
Speaker 1: he was he looked like like something from a TV show,
Speaker 1: and she was stunning and it was just like the
Speaker 1: attention they got when they came over to the bleachers
Speaker 1: and kind of just sat wherever they wanted. Everybody moved
Speaker 1: out of the way, and it's just something to see.
Speaker 1: What is it with human beings? I don't know, do
Speaker 1: bears do the same thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're sitting there eating their berries or overturning
Speaker 2: trash cans or something. Then a really hot looking bear
Speaker 2: and her big bear mate come along. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: look at them. Yeah, he could be a movie star.
Speaker 1: You and they looked so comfortable and in charge of
Speaker 1: the world, like things could never be better. And then
Speaker 1: all the other peop people you could see the angst
Speaker 1: on their face. So not all of them, but certain
Speaker 1: groups of people. Is just like you know, looking around
Speaker 1: and trying to how should I walk, how should I sit?
Speaker 1: How should I whatever? You know that goes on when
Speaker 1: you're that age. Just oh my god. I wouldn't go
Speaker 1: through that again for any amount of money. Like observing a.
Speaker 2: Band of chimps in the forest lest pooh chucking, thank goodness.
Speaker 3: And I don't And one other thing before we got
Speaker 3: to get to Katie's headlines, I don't know. My brother
Speaker 3: was telling me about how like his daughter is a
Speaker 3: super stud of high school girls basketball player, and he said,
Speaker 3: girls basketball is so much better now than it was
Speaker 3: like when we were younger.
Speaker 1: It's different thing, but so is the boys.
Speaker 3: I thought, this boy's high school team, I don't know
Speaker 3: if my high school team could score a.
Speaker 1: Basket on these guys.
Speaker 3: Has everything just gotten that much better because of youth
Speaker 3: sports or emphasis on sports or something?
Speaker 1: But yeah, more professionalized. Everything's more professional.
Speaker 2: Games are not to be played for fun, there to
Speaker 2: be excelled at to game of scholarship.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's it.
Speaker 3: But it was a completely different level than the last
Speaker 3: time I was in a high school gym, which was
Speaker 3: a very very long time. I was in Black and White,
Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty