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Speaker 1: to the large nerd Drunk Collider, the podcast that's all
Speaker 1: about the geeky things happening in the world around us
Speaker 1: and how very excited we are about them. I'm Ariel casting,
Speaker 1: and with me, as always is the super Jonathan Strickland. Ariel,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, considering that we are
Speaker 1: talking about super stuff, flight or invisibility. Classic question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I I had I think I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: go with invisibility. I've had dreams all the time where
Speaker 1: like I'm a kid and I can fly, but it's
Speaker 1: never like high up in the air. It's always like
Speaker 1: you start running and then you're just a foot above
Speaker 1: the ground. I'm kind of afraid of heights and falling,
Speaker 1: so uh I I don't think i'd want to fly, However,
Speaker 1: I do LARP and invisibility would be hilarious. I would
Speaker 1: never lose a module. What about you, You'd be peeping
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I understand, I got you. I
Speaker 1: know where you're coming from. You. I go with flight
Speaker 1: because I'm not a deviant like you. I like the
Speaker 1: idea of being able to travel wherever I want, whenever
Speaker 1: I want, soaring through the air jestically like some sort
Speaker 1: of bald pigeon. Yes, flight for me all the way.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not gonna do that whole like like
Speaker 1: invisible Man, creepy motif. I'm not going to do a
Speaker 1: creepy motif. Look, I'm just gonna hide in the woods
Speaker 1: and jump out at people. You're right, that's I don't
Speaker 1: know what I was thinking. Flying anywhere you want, any
Speaker 1: time you want is not great because let's say you
Speaker 1: want to fly to Hawaii. You didn't say that super
Speaker 1: strength comes with your flights. So you're just gonna be
Speaker 1: carrying that very heavy suitcase with you through there all
Speaker 1: the way to Hawaii're gonna get so much perfect. I
Speaker 1: plan on just buying everything once I get there. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to first stop in Hawaii, retail outlet, mall.
Speaker 1: Second stop in Hawaii, the beach, maybe maybe the Pokak
Speaker 1: because that that place is the bomb. Okay, well, we've
Speaker 1: got We've got that, but we have news to cover.
Speaker 1: But before we get to any of that aerial I've
Speaker 1: got some fast breaking news. Here's the breaking news. It's
Speaker 1: super important. George Clooney has signed on to become an
Speaker 1: executive producer and star of a TV series Buck Rogers. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh that's great. What what details do we have on that?
Speaker 1: George Clooney has signed on to be an executive producer
Speaker 1: and star of a new Buck Rogers TV show. That's
Speaker 1: all I got. I guess it wasn't I guess I
Speaker 1: wasn't that important. No, I mean it's something to possibly
Speaker 1: look forward to, so that, you know, in a couple
Speaker 1: of months when we get details about it, you go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. I like Buck Rogers. Did you ever
Speaker 1: watch the TV series The Camp like nine seventies era? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: I watched that too, And whenever I think about that,
Speaker 1: I think of mel Blank doing the voice of Tweakie,
Speaker 1: the little robot Batty Baby Batty. Uh So, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure it's going to be the same, especially since I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they're going to go back to the original
Speaker 1: reference material, which doesn't have a spunky little sidekick robot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw that news and thought, well, we
Speaker 1: should include this because you know, it's it's nostalgic for
Speaker 1: for me and you and all the young listeners out
Speaker 1: there are like what Buck who that? You know what?
Speaker 1: It's okay, because the next news item we have is
Speaker 1: four young listeners, uh, which is that the Guinness Book
Speaker 1: of World Records is trying to do, uh like make
Speaker 1: is set a record of the most people singing a
Speaker 1: song from the Greatest Showman ever. So that the idea
Speaker 1: being that it's a it's a big collaborative effort, right,
Speaker 1: that you're going to have the most people singing and
Speaker 1: they're going to create a collaborative video of all these
Speaker 1: different people singing a particular song from the Great Showman,
Speaker 1: which is is from now on. Uh. They are trying
Speaker 1: to get at least five thousand participants. It is a
Speaker 1: benefit for the Actors Fund, which, if you are not familiar,
Speaker 1: is a financial fund for the Broadway actors who really
Speaker 1: need it right now since Broadway is still closed a
Speaker 1: year later and probably will be for most of one Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I want to go see my shows. I know me too.
Speaker 1: But as of listening to this episode, you can still
Speaker 1: be a part. They want you to record the video
Speaker 1: and challenge four friends using the hashtag b Way World
Speaker 1: Record uh and shared on social media. They also say
Speaker 1: that you can tag Broadway stars and challenge them. You
Speaker 1: know that Hugh Jackman is going to be part of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've already got some actors committed. They've got Alice Ripley
Speaker 1: from Next to Normal, John Tart tag Lea from Avenue Q,
Speaker 1: Kristen Anderson Lopez from Frozen, and Jay Armstrong Johnson from
Speaker 1: Family the Opera. Uh, you can be a part of
Speaker 1: this up until February, which is the deadline. I think
Speaker 1: I think I'll give this one a skip because my
Speaker 1: singing voice isn't strong enough. And also, uh, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm at best a casual fan of the Greatest Showman.
Speaker 1: At best, I was about to say, like, they don't
Speaker 1: say anything about having to sing it, well, so that's
Speaker 1: just an excuse. But I do understand the Greatest Showman
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of. You know what, I
Speaker 1: would have actually would have enjoyed it a lot more
Speaker 1: if they had not said it was supposed to be P. T. Barnum,
Speaker 1: because I had real issues with the the lionization of P. T. Barnum,
Speaker 1: who was a much more complicated person than the musical
Speaker 1: would have you understand. But that's that's But I don't
Speaker 1: want to yuck anyone's yeah either. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people really love the Greatest Showman, and there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with loving it. I mean, that's that's you do
Speaker 1: you for me. There was one song in that show
Speaker 1: that I really loved and another song that I liked,
Speaker 1: but um, but that was that. Everything else neither of
Speaker 1: them are from now on fair enough. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is interesting to say they've gotten permission from Disney to
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, yes, this is this is something that's
Speaker 1: got full clearance. To me. It's again another remarkable example
Speaker 1: of Disney giving the go ahead for some creative uses
Speaker 1: of their properties, which, as we've pointed out in previous episodes,
Speaker 1: is remarkable considering how protective Disney has been of its
Speaker 1: I P in the past. Also weird but delightful was
Speaker 1: the latest trailer for Raya in The Last Dragon. I really,
Speaker 1: you know what, I hadn't seen anything I knew about
Speaker 1: this movie. I knew it was coming out, but hadn't
Speaker 1: seen any trailers, hadn't watched anything of it until we
Speaker 1: were making this episode. And uh, and the trailer is.
Speaker 1: First of all, the style looks amazing. They made Riya
Speaker 1: look like a total um kick butt warrior. I was
Speaker 1: trying to think of a good, family friendly way of
Speaker 1: saying it. She looks amazing in it. The antagonist is,
Speaker 1: at least from what I can gather from the trailer,
Speaker 1: also a woman, and then the dragon is a a
Speaker 1: female dragon. So we've got a film where multiple characters,
Speaker 1: important characters to the story are all women, which I
Speaker 1: also thought was awesome. It's not no one draws attention
Speaker 1: to it in the trailer, but I noticed it just
Speaker 1: because it's something that we haven't seen a lot of
Speaker 1: until fairly recently, and I like that that trend is continuing.
Speaker 1: I do too. I also really like that, Um. I
Speaker 1: like that the character is such a kick but character,
Speaker 1: Like you said, um, there it's it almost feels like
Speaker 1: Disney wanted their take on the Avatar the Last Airbender.
Speaker 1: To me, yeah, I was getting a lot of that.
Speaker 1: I was getting a little bit of Mulan vibes. Um.
Speaker 1: There were a couple of other like properties I would
Speaker 1: think of, even a kuba and the two strings. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that in there. There. There's
Speaker 1: there's definitely some stuff you can tell where some influences
Speaker 1: came in. Um. The attitude of the dragon feels like
Speaker 1: very much a nod to sort of Wosho and Mulan. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Aquafina and it's a it's a good trailer,
Speaker 1: and the action looks like it's going to be really
Speaker 1: really interesting. I am eager to see this. You know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it doesn't it doesn't look like the
Speaker 1: kind of typical feel good sort of Disney stuff like.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem all warm and fuzzy and squishy. It
Speaker 1: seems a little more action oriented. Um, which is great too.
Speaker 1: I think that looks really interesting. I think I haven't
Speaker 1: been as excited for a Disney computer animated movie as
Speaker 1: this since Record Ralph, which I know that you don't
Speaker 1: feel the same way about that movie as I do.
Speaker 1: For me, I think i'd have to go with if
Speaker 1: we're not talking picks are, if we're just talking about
Speaker 1: Disney proper Big Hero six, Yeah, I can see that
Speaker 1: as well, which has a very similar kind of actionly
Speaker 1: vibe to it. This will be available on Disney Plus
Speaker 1: on their premier for premium on March five, which means
Speaker 1: eventually you'll get it on your regular subscription, but I might. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to pay for it too, because
Speaker 1: I really want to see it, and I don't want
Speaker 1: I want that that experience of discovery and not have
Speaker 1: everything kind of laid out for me before I get
Speaker 1: a chance to see it, because the discovery part, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we can talk about this in a longer
Speaker 1: section at some future or episode, but the discovery part
Speaker 1: of a new property is one of the great joys
Speaker 1: for me. Like I can handle going in hearing spoilers,
Speaker 1: but I really love that that experience of discovering something
Speaker 1: as it's playing out. Um, you just can't really, you
Speaker 1: can't replicate that if you already know what's happening before
Speaker 1: you go and see it. It's different. You can still
Speaker 1: enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is different. Mhm.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Something on Disney Plus that you
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to have to pay premium
Speaker 1: for is the Black Panther show that's in develop or
Speaker 1: at least a Wakonda show. It's a show set in Wakonda.
Speaker 1: What whether or not it director, whether or not it
Speaker 1: involves a Black Panther character, uh played by sure, you
Speaker 1: would imagine, we don't know. It may be that it
Speaker 1: may not even be set in the quote unquote modern
Speaker 1: day of the Marvel Cinematic universe. There's no real telling,
Speaker 1: but we know that the director of Panther is going
Speaker 1: to be behind the development of the show, and that
Speaker 1: it is set in Waconda, and bring it on. I
Speaker 1: am eager to see more of that world. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was such such great creation, and we only got
Speaker 1: a small part of it in the first Black Panther movie,
Speaker 1: so and and and a little bit in Infinity War
Speaker 1: a little bit, not near enough, not near enough. You
Speaker 1: can tell that there's a whole bunch of written richness
Speaker 1: in that world that we didn't get to see. Uh.
Speaker 1: Something I did get to see this week. Uh is this?
Speaker 1: This was something Ariel shared with me that I had
Speaker 1: not seen, And I'm so thankful that I have a
Speaker 1: co host like Ariel to bring this into my life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is Uh. Some fans took the Jurassic Park trailer and
Speaker 1: mashed it up with pee wee Herman making all of
Speaker 1: the dinosaurs pee wee Herman. When you hear that concept,
Speaker 1: you say, oh, I know what this is gonna look like.
Speaker 1: But no, it's way better than what you imagine in
Speaker 1: your brain. For for one thing, they resisted the urge
Speaker 1: of making a dinosaur sized peee Herman. It's a Peewee
Speaker 1: Herman sized pee Wee Herman, and the the integration of
Speaker 1: peee Herman shots into Jurassic Park scenes is done pretty
Speaker 1: darn well. Like there are bits where you're looking at
Speaker 1: a Jurassic Park character and Pewee Herman is popping up
Speaker 1: from behind a tree, and you know, you can tell
Speaker 1: there was some compositing done, but it looks really good
Speaker 1: for for a for a joke. Yeah, And there's only
Speaker 1: one time where they skipped to like a not Jurassic
Speaker 1: Park scene and it's brief, yes, I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: where where it's him over at on the corner of
Speaker 1: a house and he's just doing his little pee Herman laugh.
Speaker 1: Everything else is essentially Jurassic Park with some Peee Herman
Speaker 1: integrated into it, including the missequence where the t Rex
Speaker 1: is chasing the jeep and it's the must go faster,
Speaker 1: must go faster. And I don't want to say anymore
Speaker 1: than that other than you need to see it to
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. But we'll put that link in our
Speaker 1: show notes on our website when this episode goes live
Speaker 1: so that you can watch it too. We just wanted
Speaker 1: to give it a shout out since we love mashups.
Speaker 1: We had to love on this mashup, yes, and that
Speaker 1: wraps up our quick headlines for this week. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we are going to have a deep discussion
Speaker 1: about the DC Cinematic Universe and what we would do
Speaker 1: if we were put in charge of it in order
Speaker 1: to kind of fix it. Seems like it's really presumptuous,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to say fix it. And then also
Speaker 1: stick around because at the end of this episode with
Speaker 1: our mashup we are we have chosen a mash up
Speaker 1: topic that is in part a tribute to the late
Speaker 1: great Chloris Leachman, a phenomenal comic actor who we lost,
Speaker 1: uh just recently, and so you want to stick around
Speaker 1: for that too, But first we gotta take this quick break.
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the d C EU and Jonathan,
Speaker 1: I'm taking it by uh you saying that it needed
Speaker 1: to be fixed before the break, that you are not
Speaker 1: a fan of how it is currently being laid out.
Speaker 1: I am not, Ariel. Thank you for asking me about this.
Speaker 1: Uh I know I I I've made it pretty clear.
Speaker 1: Anyone who listened to old episodes of Large Nergron Collector
Speaker 1: the classic ones from like tent seventeen, you know that
Speaker 1: even back then I was complaining about the way d
Speaker 1: C was going about their cinematic universe, that that that
Speaker 1: dead horse is still continuing to be beaten by yours, truly,
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's necessarily gotten much better. I
Speaker 1: have multiple problems with it. Problem one is that the
Speaker 1: whole Zack Snyder take on making everything dark and grim
Speaker 1: doesn't sit too well with me, largely because like, I
Speaker 1: think there should be some dark and grim nous in there.
Speaker 1: I think there need to be stinks, Like without steaks,
Speaker 1: there's no conflict, and without conflict, there's no drama. But
Speaker 1: I feel like heroes need to occasionally be i don't know, heroic, yeah,
Speaker 1: and inspiring and that sort of thing, which is why
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, the original Wonder Woman film from this this
Speaker 1: latest match is still I think my favorite of all
Speaker 1: the ones that have come out so far, with the
Speaker 1: possible exception of Shazam, which feels almost tangential, but it
Speaker 1: was also pretty dark. It was pretty dark, but it
Speaker 1: had more lighthearted moment than any of the other DC films.
Speaker 1: And then the other part kind of ties into that
Speaker 1: tangential thing, which is that there is no coherent or
Speaker 1: cohesive strategy right like there are so many different DC properties,
Speaker 1: and there are disagreements about which ones actually fit into
Speaker 1: the mainline DC universe versus being some sort of offshoot
Speaker 1: like Joker. The movie Joker, which a lot of people loved,
Speaker 1: is not part of the mainstream DC cinematic universe. There
Speaker 1: was talk of another Jared leto Joker movie, which never,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, is not happening, But that
Speaker 1: also wasn't going to be part of the mainstream DC universe,
Speaker 1: And you start to wonder, well, why are you bothering
Speaker 1: crafting these I mean, I understand the appeal of having
Speaker 1: heroes from different uh, different franchises, are different lines crossover.
Speaker 1: There's always like it's that dream, Oh yeah, it's Batman
Speaker 1: and super Man. Like, I get it. That's a big
Speaker 1: deal in the comics, it's a big deal in the movies.
Speaker 1: But if you're not going to craft a really strong,
Speaker 1: coherent universe, then it almost seems like you should really
Speaker 1: just be developing one shot films that are good stories
Speaker 1: featuring these characters, but there's no necessary connective tissue to
Speaker 1: everything else. I agree. So I mean d C to
Speaker 1: the Dark thing. D C is not a Stranger two
Speaker 1: Dark storylines in the comics. But I do feel like
Speaker 1: you need to you need to set up the hero
Speaker 1: in that story as the hero, like you said before,
Speaker 1: you can enjoy that journey down down a path that
Speaker 1: they maybe shouldn't go. You're more invested then, um and
Speaker 1: then yeah, the continuity is hard. I feel like they
Speaker 1: they tried so hard to catch up with Marvel, but
Speaker 1: by that time, they already had a bunch of TV shows,
Speaker 1: and they already had all of these one off movies.
Speaker 1: We've had so many Batman series, um, that it was
Speaker 1: almost like an afterthought. I do feel like they up
Speaker 1: until the Snyder cut, I feel like they had been
Speaker 1: slowly edging away from everything being super dark, even through
Speaker 1: this latest wonder Woman movie. UM, but I still feel
Speaker 1: like trying to add that levity to what little through
Speaker 1: line there is, it just makes the stories extra long
Speaker 1: and extra convoluted. Yeah. Yeah, no, there's there's no efficiency
Speaker 1: in storytelling in the DC Cinematic universe. Everything is a
Speaker 1: little too bloated and uh, I mean when when there
Speaker 1: are important block points that hinge on such silly things
Speaker 1: like the fact that two characters have mother figures who
Speaker 1: were named Martha and somehow that's what brings them together.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, like that's been that's been
Speaker 1: mean to death, right, but it's still ridiculous. It's why
Speaker 1: it's and mean to death. It is a ridiculous point
Speaker 1: in a film. And uh, you know, there's just so
Speaker 1: many decisions that I disagreed with, especially in those early
Speaker 1: Snyder films, like without as you say, without making the
Speaker 1: hero heroic, you have no one to cheer for, You're
Speaker 1: It's like they decided they wanted to skip straight to
Speaker 1: the Frank Miller version of Old Batman and show him
Speaker 1: as you know, someone who is who is still plotting along,
Speaker 1: but it's very cynical and very um uh pessimistic about
Speaker 1: things and um pragmatic in a way that's extremely dark.
Speaker 1: And they didn't want to get to any of the
Speaker 1: stuff that led him to that journey. They just wanted
Speaker 1: to jump to that. Same with them with the fact
Speaker 1: that they didn't go through the same setup that Marvel
Speaker 1: did when it began to establish all these individual characters
Speaker 1: and then the connection they had with one another to
Speaker 1: lead into the Avengers titles. And you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: even get into the Thanos storyline until we were probably
Speaker 1: about halfway through those initial Marvel films. It was only
Speaker 1: in the back half that the Thanos storyline really started
Speaker 1: to play out, and to the point where some people
Speaker 1: were even asking like, why should we care about Thanos?
Speaker 1: And then in fanity war happened and everyone suddenly really
Speaker 1: cared about Thanos. But it just showed that they did
Speaker 1: a very long lead up to that, whereas d C
Speaker 1: was almost like, dump all the toys out on the floor, Okay,
Speaker 1: now they're all together, let's make them do stuff. But
Speaker 1: they didn't build any of that individually. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I feel like it really was them playing a game
Speaker 1: of catchup to try to to try to get to
Speaker 1: Marvel success level before people were burnt out on superheroes,
Speaker 1: which has come and gone since the m c U
Speaker 1: has begun. Um. I feel like when they said okay,
Speaker 1: now anybody can make any movie about any DC character,
Speaker 1: DC comic character, um, that it was their attempt to
Speaker 1: try to salvage the fandom without having to continue, like
Speaker 1: basically trying out alternate timelines to see if any of
Speaker 1: those stick better than their current prime timeline so then
Speaker 1: they can just switch over to that. I mean, like
Speaker 1: clearly the Harley Quinn movie as an example of that,
Speaker 1: right where the Harley Quinn film. They saw how people
Speaker 1: responded to the character of Harley quinnin Suicide Squad, even
Speaker 1: though that movie is its own garbage fire. The first
Speaker 1: the first one, because I think the next one is
Speaker 1: gonna be really good, well until it comes out, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hold my breath, right, so they have to
Speaker 1: prove me wrong. Okay, I don't. I feel pretty comfortable
Speaker 1: saying the first film is a garbage fire. Uh, But
Speaker 1: that that led to the ability for the Harley Harley
Speaker 1: Quinn film to come out, and I think people responded
Speaker 1: more towards that, which just showed that there are and
Speaker 1: Joker again. Joker is another movie that did phenomenally well. Um,
Speaker 1: i'll spare you my thoughts on Joker, but it did
Speaker 1: really well and again is not connected to the rest
Speaker 1: of the threads in the d C universe. So it's
Speaker 1: a complicated issue. Like if it were me, I'd almost
Speaker 1: say like, all right, we're gonna have to start with
Speaker 1: a fresh slate. Um, some of the casting I might
Speaker 1: keep because I think that some of the folks who
Speaker 1: are in their roles are good for those roles, But like,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna do what the comic books do occasionally,
Speaker 1: which is that you do a big reset. It happens
Speaker 1: in comics all the time, where you have some sort
Speaker 1: of cataclysmic event that destroys every relity so that it
Speaker 1: could start fresh and then you start screwing it up
Speaker 1: all over again, but at least you can start fresh. Well,
Speaker 1: And I thought that's what they were doing with the
Speaker 1: James Gunn Suicide Squad that's coming out, because it's just
Speaker 1: it's it's not a second movie, it's just another suicide
Speaker 1: Squad movie. But then they talked. But and you know,
Speaker 1: James Gunn did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, and
Speaker 1: the cast for this new movie is pretty spectacular. Um,
Speaker 1: they all all of the actors ride a good line
Speaker 1: between action and intense and comedy. But then they did
Speaker 1: carry over some of the characters like Harley Quinn and
Speaker 1: Boomerang and things like that, so it's not quite as
Speaker 1: much of a reboot as I initially thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be. Yeah, Um, so if you were trying
Speaker 1: to fix this, like my my argument is to scrap
Speaker 1: it all and start over. Um, but do you think
Speaker 1: it's something that you could see as being salvageable, like
Speaker 1: keeping everything that exists now and just building further upon it. Yes. Yes,
Speaker 1: And my reasoning for that is I've said since the beginning,
Speaker 1: and if you're a long time Lency listener you'll know
Speaker 1: this that I feel like the real problem with the
Speaker 1: Justice League is how dark it is. I feel like
Speaker 1: they've been going lighter and lighter and lighter. Uh. Justice League,
Speaker 1: much like the newer Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies. The
Speaker 1: storyline was not strong, but they got the characters right. Um.
Speaker 1: Even at the end Superman got to be Superman and
Speaker 1: that was nice. But I enjoyed watching all the characters
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed watching their chemistry. So all we need
Speaker 1: to do is have happy Superman fly around the world
Speaker 1: reverse time, and then we can continue on with the
Speaker 1: Justice League, because that movie did the poorest and to
Speaker 1: me it was one of the most one of the
Speaker 1: more enjoyable ones. Um. Maybe not quite a from a
Speaker 1: character standpoint, maybe not as quite as enjoyable as Wonder
Speaker 1: Woman or Aquaman, which were both I found both of
Speaker 1: them fun, but far too long. Um And mainly because
Speaker 1: the Justice League villain was pretty milk chosty. But um, well,
Speaker 1: now you're going to get dark side in the Snyder cut.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't. Yeah, that's that's exactly how I
Speaker 1: feel aial, So don't don't feel badly about it. But
Speaker 1: Snyder cut, but more movies. I appreciate what you say,
Speaker 1: like I I, I don't deny that. You know, you
Speaker 1: could continue. Obviously they're going to continue to build on
Speaker 1: the foundation they have laid. I think the reason, the
Speaker 1: real reason, if you really boil it down then I
Speaker 1: want to scrap it all and start over is fundamentally
Speaker 1: I despise the fact that the Kents we're trying to
Speaker 1: tell Clark to be selfish and to to value self
Speaker 1: preservation over helping others, because to me, that is fun
Speaker 1: dem mentally the opposite of what most versions of Superman's
Speaker 1: origin story point to, like the whole idea being that
Speaker 1: this is an alien who decides that he wants to
Speaker 1: protect humans because he was raised by genuinely decent people.
Speaker 1: And when you take that away, it just like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you just ruined everything. You just you've
Speaker 1: soured the whole thing, and yeah, you can get him
Speaker 1: to come around and choose to be noble. But that's
Speaker 1: a different character arc art. It's not it's not invalid.
Speaker 1: It just to me, isn't Superman. I mean, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. You know. I enjoyed Man of Steel,
Speaker 1: which is is the movie that started that whole path
Speaker 1: you don't like of Superman. But while I thought it
Speaker 1: was an entertaining movie, I did not think it was
Speaker 1: a great Superman movie. It wasn't it. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: great Superman movie to start off the d C EU with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't know there was going to
Speaker 1: be a d C EU, So yeah, I just to me,
Speaker 1: it was like it was, it started with a wrong
Speaker 1: turn and then it got more wronger. Fair enough, but
Speaker 1: you know what, we also admit like that that's down
Speaker 1: to our personal tastes. There may be many of you
Speaker 1: out there who absolutely love the DC Cinematic Universe, which
Speaker 1: you know that's totally valid too, Like your opinions are
Speaker 1: just as valid as ours. Yeah, And you know, like
Speaker 1: you said, I've seen the d C EU movies and
Speaker 1: I will continue to see them. And you know, Marvel
Speaker 1: has had to scrap some of their properties, or has
Speaker 1: tried to scrap some of their properties multiple times to
Speaker 1: relaunch them, X Men, Fantastic Four, things like that, So
Speaker 1: it's not just parent property specific. Yeah, no, I mean that. Also,
Speaker 1: Marvel has has caught some flak for not integrating some
Speaker 1: of their Netflix TV series into the overall Marvel Cinemaic universe.
Speaker 1: Like that direction only goes one way, where the stuff
Speaker 1: that happened in the movies gets referenced in the shows,
Speaker 1: but the shows never get the carry over into the movies,
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate because Daredevil and Jessica Jones and Luke
Speaker 1: Cage are all awesome and Iron Fist is also there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we think that Daredevil is going to be in
Speaker 1: the New Spider Man, so that's what we're hoping, So
Speaker 1: maybe all the rest will follow suit. We'll see if
Speaker 1: it works, then they might continue it. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: this was our our DC conversation. If we want to
Speaker 1: talk Marvel, we're going to have to wait till after
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Speaker 1: Monday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Okay, Ariel, you
Speaker 1: picked the two properties that we're going to mash up,
Speaker 1: and initially I resisted this, but eventually came around what
Speaker 1: I thought of a joke so bad that I had
Speaker 1: to do a mash up. But let's explain what two
Speaker 1: properties you picked? Okay, So we picked the fantastic four
Speaker 1: mainly because of some conversations happening around one division that
Speaker 1: we're not going to get into because spoilers. Uh. And
Speaker 1: we also picked young Frankenstein. So let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about these properties, because at least in my mash up,
Speaker 1: I have some let's call them deep cuts that I
Speaker 1: reference that I think are going to be lost on
Speaker 1: probably nine cinemaur audience. Sure, but the basic story is
Speaker 1: that there's this gentleman Gene Wilder who is uh Dr
Speaker 1: Franken Frankenstein. Uh, because he doesn't want to be confused
Speaker 1: with the crazy Dr Frankenstein Um. Who finds out he's
Speaker 1: got a like a familial house that he's he's earned
Speaker 1: when his great great grandfather passed away. Um, and he
Speaker 1: goes there and then he becomes the mad scientist and
Speaker 1: eventually accepts his name Frankenstein. But there's uh huge amount
Speaker 1: of comedy. You've got I Gore, who is a play
Speaker 1: on igor. You've at Frod Blueckhardt, who's the character that
Speaker 1: Clos Leachman played, who every time they say her name,
Speaker 1: no matter where she is, a horse whinnies because it
Speaker 1: sounds familiar to the German word for glue um, which
Speaker 1: is never explained in the movie. But it just happens.
Speaker 1: It's a running gag that they never explain, and I
Speaker 1: love it. And it's just such a lighthearted, fun play
Speaker 1: on on a really great but kind of dark story.
Speaker 1: Frankenstein Um. That is just brilliant. Yeah. Uh, Fantastic Four Okay,
Speaker 1: So in case you aren't aware of who the Fantastic
Speaker 1: Four are, it's a heroic group of four characters. Uh.
Speaker 1: There have been different members of the Fantastic Four over
Speaker 1: the years, but the classic four are Read Richards, who
Speaker 1: is Mr. Fantastic. He can stretch his limbs and get
Speaker 1: all bendy bendy. There's uh, Sue Storm later Sue Richards,
Speaker 1: who is the invisible first the Invisible Girl, but she
Speaker 1: manages to it's grew the patriarchy and become the Invisible woman. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that comics were not the most woke back in the day. Uh.
Speaker 1: You have Johnny Storm, Sue's brother, who is the human Torch,
Speaker 1: and you have Ben Graham who becomes the Thing, a
Speaker 1: big rocky orange hulk like guy, and they end up
Speaker 1: being a radiated There's different versions of their origin story,
Speaker 1: but that's how they all get their powers. So they
Speaker 1: didn't start off with powers. They get them because they're
Speaker 1: exposed to radiation. They typically are facing off against pretty
Speaker 1: weird and cosmic kind of of bad guys and problems,
Speaker 1: but they also have a enemy in Dr Doom. Dr
Speaker 1: Doom is frequently their antagonist, and for my story, one
Speaker 1: important thing you need to know is that, at least
Speaker 1: in one version of the Marvel timeline, Read Richards and
Speaker 1: Sue Richards have a son named Franklin Richards, who has
Speaker 1: like reality bending powers. That's going to be important in
Speaker 1: my story. There's also other references that longtime Marvel fans
Speaker 1: are going to get and nobody else, So just a warning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of kind of the same with mine. Um I
Speaker 1: actually I was on the opposite end. I was very
Speaker 1: excited about this at the beginning, and as I was
Speaker 1: writing my mashup, I quickly went, oh, this is I
Speaker 1: cannot meet Melbrook's genius. But yeah, this was a challenging one,
Speaker 1: I will admit, But once I came up with the
Speaker 1: terrible punchline, everything else was just like how long can
Speaker 1: I delay getting to the punchline. It's it's a tribute.
Speaker 1: It's a tribute to something we love and a great actress.
Speaker 1: So uh, I apologize and here we go with the
Speaker 1: fantastic frow blue curtain. May okay. So Dr Read Richards
Speaker 1: pronounced Reshorts is speaking at a symposium at Hedgeman University
Speaker 1: one day when a mysterious figure enters and tells him
Speaker 1: he has acquired his family's estate in lat Varia. While
Speaker 1: he doesn't like to be associated with his family legacy
Speaker 1: of mad science, Read leaves his then fiance Alicia masters
Speaker 1: to see what the ordeal is about. Upon reaching the
Speaker 1: estate in Latviia, Reshorts meets a beautiful blonde named Susan
Speaker 1: and her brother, who introduces himself as John I see.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's being clever picking on Reshorts his pronunciation
Speaker 1: of his name, but really he's just being kind of annoying.
Speaker 1: These two are the Storm siblings, who are the assistance
Speaker 1: of the previous inhabitant, Nathaniel Richards. Read is so enamored
Speaker 1: by Susan that he doesn't even notice as the caretaker
Speaker 1: of the estate, Frau Evelyn Blucker, steps up behind him
Speaker 1: and offers to show him to his room. When he
Speaker 1: turns back to invite Susan to dinner, she's gone, foreshadowing
Speaker 1: that evening. As Reshorts explores these date, he happens upon
Speaker 1: a staircase leading to the basement, whereupon he finds the
Speaker 1: Storm's siblings standing over a corpse in a lab as
Speaker 1: fraud Evelyn Blueger is about to put a brain into
Speaker 1: the corpse. Oh yeah, there's also a lab horse. Every
Speaker 1: respectable at Varian Lab has one. Uh. The name on
Speaker 1: the jar holding the brain is a ben normal Uh. Reshorts,
Speaker 1: a surpride and yells out fraud Blucker's name, which startles
Speaker 1: a horse, who kicks the re animation machine, showering all
Speaker 1: of the inhabitants in the room with radiation. As Fraud
Speaker 1: places a brain in the corpse, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the corpses alive, but he is melted with the stone
Speaker 1: slab he was laying on to gain a stone skin.
Speaker 1: Susan is gone, but Reshorts can hear her yelling, and
Speaker 1: John I accidentally ignites, scaring the grim monster thing away.
Speaker 1: Reshorts reaches for the door, realizing he doesn't need to
Speaker 1: move his feet to do so, but his stretchy arm
Speaker 1: reaches the door too late. Only fraud Blucker is not
Speaker 1: affected by the radiation, having assisted her loved, beloved Nathaniel
Speaker 1: for so many years that she had become immune to it.
Speaker 1: All did to do insites the local authority, Inspector von Doom,
Speaker 1: a man with one good eye, a metal mask, and
Speaker 1: a metal arm, to come question Reshorts. However, all Reshorts
Speaker 1: can make out about what Inspector Doom is saying is
Speaker 1: that there's a monster and if he finds them, he
Speaker 1: will end him. You see, his mask is muffling too
Speaker 1: much of the other words, he's saying for Reshorts to
Speaker 1: even understand it. Uh. Now, the three and Frau must
Speaker 1: find this thing. Thankfully, Aba Normal was actually the love
Speaker 1: child of Nathaniel and Frau Evelyn Bluehurt, and she knows
Speaker 1: just how to find him with his childhood love of pizza.
Speaker 1: There's only one pizza joint in life area, and tonight
Speaker 1: is open mic night. When they get there, they find
Speaker 1: the grim Thing doing stand up and enjoying his slice.
Speaker 1: They know they must protect him, being so unique and clever,
Speaker 1: so they bring him back to the estate just as
Speaker 1: reads fiance Alicia shows up. She sees the Thing, but
Speaker 1: instead of being frightened, falls in love with him, which
Speaker 1: is okay because Reshorts is kind of actually got a
Speaker 1: thing for Susan. And as we pan out from the
Speaker 1: the estate, we see John I Storm hiding worldly behind
Speaker 1: a horse as Frau Evelyn Bluegert searches him for him
Speaker 1: longingly because she's also a bit of a pyromaniac. I
Speaker 1: like that. There seemed to be some references to the
Speaker 1: the the the original Fantastic Four film by that Roger
Speaker 1: Corman produced that was never released specifically for you, Jonathan
Speaker 1: because you can't understand doom in that version, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: here here's mine. Um the title will become into it later.
Speaker 1: We open in the Baxter Building as the Fantastic Four's headquarters.
Speaker 1: The Fantastic Four are an established team at this point,
Speaker 1: having had many adventures under their collective belts. Read and
Speaker 1: Sue Richards are the proud parents of a young boy
Speaker 1: named Franklin, who has impressive powers of his own. Are
Speaker 1: heroes receive a distress call they must immediately have off
Speaker 1: to Latin Veria to battle the nefarious dr Doom. Little
Speaker 1: Franklin is left behind in the care of others. The
Speaker 1: next morning, his caretakers are glued to the television, watching
Speaker 1: reports the Doom, the Fantastic Four, and indeed all of
Speaker 1: Latin Veria have disappeared. The scene dissolves and we see
Speaker 1: a title card saying twenty five years later, Franklin is
Speaker 1: an adult now giving a lecture at our prestigious university.
Speaker 1: He's an expert in linguistics in history, and it's clearly
Speaker 1: attempting to suppress his past and his own superpowers. While
Speaker 1: giving the lecture, one determined student keeps asking Franklin about
Speaker 1: his famous parents. Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Woman and
Speaker 1: his famous uncle, the Human Torch, and also that big
Speaker 1: rocky dude known as the Thing. Franklin attempts to dismiss
Speaker 1: the questions with humor, but the student persists, and in
Speaker 1: a moment of temper, Franklin uses his reality bending superpowers
Speaker 1: to turn the student into a Jack in the box.
Speaker 1: Class dismissed, he says after his lecture, an old man
Speaker 1: who had been sitting in on the lecture comes forward,
Speaker 1: revealing himself to be a messenger from lat Varia. He
Speaker 1: explains that without any warning, the entire nation that had
Speaker 1: disappeared is back. Much of it is in ruins, but
Speaker 1: not all of it, and that Franklin in particular is
Speaker 1: urged to go there to claim his birthright. Though the
Speaker 1: old man doesn't have much information about what exactly that is. Franklin,
Speaker 1: overcome with anxiety, makes arrangements to travel to lat Varia
Speaker 1: right away. Arriving by train at the station, he has
Speaker 1: greeted by the humanoid experimental robot B type Integrated Electronics
Speaker 1: or Herbie, though it's pronounced her By. According to the robot,
Speaker 1: Herby and Franklin traveled to an old abandoned castle used
Speaker 1: to be doctor Doom's lair, but now it's practically unoccupied
Speaker 1: as Doom and the Fantastic Four have not reappeared. Along
Speaker 1: the way, Franklin and her By encounter a young woman
Speaker 1: named Inga Summers, who was given instructions to help assist
Speaker 1: Franklin and any way. Oh, and I mentioned that Doom's
Speaker 1: castle was practically unoccupied, but no, there is one person there,
Speaker 1: Fraud Bluecher, who is secretly Cynthia von Doom, dr Doom's
Speaker 1: mother played by Cloris Leachman. Of course, At the castle,
Speaker 1: Franklin spends time exploring, attempting to find any signs of
Speaker 1: what happened to the Fantastic Four. Bluecher tries to embrace
Speaker 1: him to encourage him to embrace his superpowers, but Franklin resists,
Speaker 1: unwilling to acknowledge that this is in fact his birthright.
Speaker 1: What follows is an adventure in which Franklin tries to
Speaker 1: make his own robot without the use of his superpowers.
Speaker 1: He builds a robotic human Torch, which just goes around
Speaker 1: insisting that no, he's the real original human Torch and
Speaker 1: Johnny Storm was the second human Torch. You just gotta
Speaker 1: buy the comics to find out that the original human
Speaker 1: Torch was a robot, but Franklin points out that if
Speaker 1: you are a robot, you aren't a human torch, You're
Speaker 1: a robot Torch, and that goes poorly. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: the robot Human torches rampaging through the countryside. Franklin and
Speaker 1: team have to lure the robot back, insisting that it's
Speaker 1: not evil, it's just misdirected. Franklin is able to coax
Speaker 1: the robotic human Torch back to the castle with promises
Speaker 1: of a special october Fest celebration, knowing that the robot
Speaker 1: is particularly fond of Oom Pah bands, and so Franklin
Speaker 1: inga Summers and Herby play Polka, luring the human Torch
Speaker 1: robot back to the castle. In the process, the robot
Speaker 1: discovers a hidden compartment in the castle, and in it
Speaker 1: is a special German beer mug. Emblazoned on it are
Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four and on the bottom of the mug
Speaker 1: it's a message to Franklin with love from Mom and Dad.
Speaker 1: And then it happens. We finally smash cut to the
Speaker 1: title of the movie Young Franklin Stein cut to end
Speaker 1: credits post credit scene. I guess the Fantastic Four and
Speaker 1: Doom show up or something. I don't know. I you
Speaker 1: saw her was going, I did, and I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know whether to say thank you or I'm so sorry. Um,
Speaker 1: Young Franklin Stein, Yeah, yeah, we got it because it's
Speaker 1: a German beer mug. You see, his name is Franklin Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So if any of you think you've got a better
Speaker 1: way to mash up the Fantastic for a young Frankenstein,
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Speaker 1: might even read them on the air. Yeah and uh,
Speaker 1: and the human Torch really was originally a robot Okay, anyway, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: what would a human torch just like robot Torch just
Speaker 1: be like a lighter like you would? You would think so?
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, the human Torch was one of
Speaker 1: the original heroes that marvel inherited along with Captain America.
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