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Speaker 1: let's get into tonight, because tonight will be a referendum

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Speaker 1: on the seventy six Ers and Doc Rivers in his

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Speaker 1: first year as head coach of the seventy six ers.

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Speaker 1: You obviously are not a Doc Rivers fan. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a little harsh. Uh. You know. I like to

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Speaker 1: deal in facts and reality, Doug. And the reality is

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers has underachieved greatly as a head coach in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. He got gifted a championship when Danny Ainge

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Speaker 1: delivered him Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. Otherwise, it's been

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Speaker 1: playoff failure after playoff failure, and as the number one

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Speaker 1: seed this year in the East, the Sixers, everything had

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Speaker 1: lined up for them to go to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: The process was going to finally come through, and they

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Speaker 1: go ahead and choke away Game five. I mean, Doug,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever seen anything in the

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Speaker 1: last decade that bad. I mean, this was no Joe,

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Speaker 1: almost as bad as the Patriots being down twenty eight

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Speaker 1: three to the Falcons and then coming back and winning.

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Speaker 1: I know that's the super Bowl in Atlanta team, I

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Speaker 1: get it, but I mean they were up twenty six

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Speaker 1: at home and they lost. I mean, Doug, you know basketball, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know coach Atlanta Hawks had benched their starting now

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Speaker 1: their starting backcourt, but they'd benched hurd her In Bogdanovich

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Speaker 1: the Hawks for like a final seven minutes. What would

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Speaker 1: Lou Williams and Trey Young in the backcourt, Doug, I'm

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Speaker 1: not even kidding you, and I could have mild success

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Speaker 1: scoring on those two right now. That's how bad of

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Speaker 1: a defensive backcourt that was. And the seventy sixers did nothing, Doug,

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Speaker 1: this is an embarrassment. I don't know how Doc Rivers

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Speaker 1: went to sleep that night, honestly, well, I'm sure he

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Speaker 1: probably didn't sleep particularly well. It should be pointed out

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Speaker 1: that h Doc Rivers was terrible at the free throw line,

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Speaker 1: right man. I can't believe that Doc Rivers, who uh

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Speaker 1: somehow like metamorphosized and shaped his body to look like

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. That was that was all. And and Doc

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Speaker 1: Rivers also embodied Tobias Harris, who was terrible down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: These are all kind of Doc Rivers. But yes, you're right.

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Speaker 1: When you have when you have previous playoff collapses, it

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Speaker 1: does call in a question what are you doing over there? Right?

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Speaker 1: How are you not? How are you now? Part of

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Speaker 1: it is how this team is, how this team is shaped. Right.

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Speaker 1: You go to your they go to that bench, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's a lot like anytime you have a surgical procedure.

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Speaker 1: No matter how well it may go, every time you

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Speaker 1: go under the knife, something bad can, something bad can happen,

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Speaker 1: and eventually you build up scar tissue that that bench

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Speaker 1: let him down, and then the starters let him. Well, wait, Doug,

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Speaker 1: hold on, you did miss one thing. Tobias Harris is

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Speaker 1: the highest paid player on the Sixers thirty four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: He didn't score a basket in the second half. Okay,

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Speaker 1: fourth thing, One more thing. You've gone camping with your kids.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say you get a massive cut. Never gone

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Speaker 1: camping with my kids. Okay, you get a massive cut

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Speaker 1: You got to stop the bleeding. Yes, Doc Rivers did

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Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing. It was I joked on straight fire

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Speaker 1: when they pulled the mask off Doc Rivers at the

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Speaker 1: end of Game five, you would see Mike Budenholzer of

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Speaker 1: they weren't running sets. I mean, Doug, you know, you

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Speaker 1: didn't see one play called in like the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: other than hey, Tobias, dribble around, try a fade away,

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Speaker 1: do something, Joel, do something. I mean, that's not basketball,

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Speaker 1: and Doug Rivers should be Doc Rivers should be embarrassed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I thought I thought the Scooby Doo analogy was good.

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Speaker 1: But remember you don't have to quote yourself. You can

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Speaker 1: just say it right you do, you can just you

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Speaker 1: because I hadn't heard the take, and it's pretty ymn

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Speaker 1: good take, I will say. The doc pointed out that

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Speaker 1: this is an issue with his team in a previous

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Speaker 1: what do you do with Ben Simmons. I mean that

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Speaker 1: it's really hard to hide guys that not only can't shoot,

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Speaker 1: Here's how you'll know if he can, if he can

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Speaker 1: coach how they play tonight and the energy by which

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Speaker 1: they played because they were they were up twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five points for a reason. They were up twenty six

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Speaker 1: and they did share the basketball and it was working.

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Speaker 1: So after that level of defeat, this is where real

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Speaker 1: coaching takes places. All right, now, what now? Because if

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Speaker 1: they lay down like dogs tonight, because if you if

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Speaker 1: you go back and remember the Nuggets series last year, right,

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Speaker 1: huge leads fourth quarter, lost it fall apart. They're up

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Speaker 1: thing happened in game six. In game seven, it did

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Speaker 1: look like they were they the distress of it had overcoming.

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Speaker 1: They did lead by double digits at halftime of the

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Speaker 1: Well okay, but I mean there's some sort of level

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Speaker 1: love that when and you're guilty of this, but so

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Speaker 1: are so many others. Right, when his teams lose, it's

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. When the team wins, it's the play. I

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Speaker 1: is some similarities between this and what Kevin Durant did, right.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Nets were basically outplayed in Game five

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Speaker 1: You know, basically the seventy Sixers rolled them for three

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Speaker 1: tonight for the Gamblers out there. Line opened at sixers

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Speaker 1: favored in the HIGHLIGHTE Factory by one and a half.

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Speaker 1: It's out to three now. So a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: seem to think, listen, the seventy sixers are the better team. Yes,

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Speaker 1: as long as they Doc Rivers, doesn't you know trip

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Speaker 1: overs two left feet, they should prevail here on the road. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah. For me, I'm I believe that that that's

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Speaker 1: a sign of quality coach. It's not just about talent,

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Speaker 1: but it's about the ability to get guys back up

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Speaker 1: Simmons trades because we could do an hour on them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many good options, Doug for moving

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, and you have to agree if they lose,

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Speaker 1: you gotta figure Simmons gets traded. Remember Darryl Moorey tried

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Rockets would not deal with Morey because

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Speaker 1: he had just landed in Philly. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: Van Gundy get fired after nine months in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, And I had Tom haberstroll on

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Speaker 1: my podcast Straight Fire today, and guess what. Daryl Morey

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Speaker 1: did not hire Doc Rivers. They hired Doc Rivers. Then

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Speaker 1: Morey came aboard. So if Daryl Morey says, listen, hey,

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Speaker 1: in trouble? No? Unequivocally no, or maybe not No, he's

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Speaker 1: already done the fire the GM. They fired the coach,

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Speaker 1: Because if you're if you're gonna fire Doc Rivers, who

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Speaker 1: you get hire Rick Carlisle. That's the only guy, Carlisle.

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Speaker 1: kind he has something real quick. I I think Chauncey Billups,

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Speaker 1: in Philly, if they boot Doc Rivers Um Wait, whoa yeah,

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Speaker 1: these younger dudes like listen, I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 1: you like Jamal has been a grinder and didn't play

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Speaker 1: have it's all where you have a team, right, if

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Speaker 1: have to have respect to the locker room at the

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Speaker 1: highest level. It's like a catch twenty two one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: than the New Orleans Pelicans. This team is trouble. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm Zion or I'm in his circle, I'm saying, bro,

422
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: don't sign a damn thing. See if they can build

423
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: around you. Look in Memphis at what Ja Moran has cooking.

424
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: They have a much better roster and they were in

425
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They stole a game from the Jazz. I

426
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: know Donovan Mitchell missed it. But Memphis has a real

427
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: basketball team. They have an actual future. New Orleans, to me,

428
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: has nothing. And if I'm Zion, I'm being that guy.

429
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: I'm being that villain. The same way Kad went to

430
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: the Warriors and Lebron went to Left to go to

431
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: the South Beach. I'm being Zion. I'm wearing that villain hat,

432
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: and I am becoming a major star in a real market. Well,

433
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: I do think that one of the things we never

434
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Speaker 1: teach younger guys is accountability, right, Like it's always about

435
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: everybody else. Zion wasn't in shape until this year, and

436
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: even this year, How great a shape is he actually in? Right,

437
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: he's in pretty good shape, better than he had been,

438
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 1: but still not to the level where you feel like

439
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: he can play all eighty two and and and bring

440
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: the proper amount of energy. He also can't shoot yet,

441
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: and so you're playing in a small ball five. Um,

442
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I would disagree. I would. I would push back greatly

443
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: on are they better off? Like, look, I'm not in love,

444
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: but I'm in Like with Brandon Ingram, those are two

445
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: good players you can build around. They fell apart when

446
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: Josh Hart got hurt. Who's a big part of what

447
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: they do off the bench. Steven Adams contract, Well, you

448
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: can see that that was kind of a I never

449
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: understood that. Yeah, that was a bad move. Didn't didn't

450
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Speaker 1: understand didn't understand that one. Like, I know you need

451
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: a big body, you know, but but I feel like

452
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: you can get a big body on the cheap. Why

453
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Speaker 1: are you taking on that that absorb contract that one

454
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: didn't make didn't make sense to me at all unless

455
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: you think like his leadership in his presence, and you know,

456
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: he's an egoist guy, I guess, but he just doesn't

457
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: have the goods as a player to be making what

458
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: he's making. Right. If he's a couple million dollars, that

459
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: it's fine, and you start him and then you take

460
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: him out when you want to go small. So you

461
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: said something about accountability for young guys, and I get that.

462
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: That being said, the NBA is a star driven league.

463
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Speaker 1: And if you look at what's transpired here in the

464
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Speaker 1: in the last you know, four months, Trey Young, a

465
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Speaker 1: budding star, budded heads with Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta, and

466
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Speaker 1: Lloyd Pierce got fired. They bring in Nate McMillan, and boom,

467
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Speaker 1: they're in the second round of the playoffs there maybe

468
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: one win away from the conference finals. Okay, you look

469
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: at Luca don Chich reports that him and Carlisle kind

470
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Speaker 1: of budded heads. Carlisle old school guy, sixty one years old.

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Speaker 1: I will defend Carlisle. I know him a little bit

472
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Speaker 1: through a friend. Um, it didn't work out and the

473
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: coach gets fired, and here we go stan Van Gundi

474
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Speaker 1: versus Ingram and Zion, and guess who's gonna win. The

475
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: stars are gonna win out. I agree with you, accountability matters,

476
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: But in the NBA it's real tough, man. These young

477
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: stars in the small markets, you've got to keep them.

478
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: You've got to do whatever you can to appease them.

479
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: You got to appease them in the in the major

480
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: markets as well. It's it's a you reach the point

481
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Speaker 1: where the players have had like, look, here's what people

482
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: don't remember. Michael Jordan he didn't want Phil Jackson to

483
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Speaker 1: be his head coach. True, yeah, he didn't want and

484
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: he didn't want to run the damn triangle offens. You

485
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: haven't run triangle offins, you know, like give me the ball,

486
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: get out of the way and get somebody who can

487
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: make a shot. When I passed it to him, you're like, no,

488
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna and and and they butted heads um. You know,

489
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: obviously Kobe and Shack it was different levels of embracing it.

490
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Speaker 1: But it was because Phil had won previously, So it

491
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 1: is it is not you know, A guy who who

492
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: knows a lot more about the inner workings of this

493
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: is Ryan Hollins ten year NBA VET, and of course

494
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: he's got the opinionated Seven Footers podcast. Fall him on

495
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Twitter at the Ryan Hollins Um. Ryan, let's start in Nola.

496
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: If you're David Griffin, how do you try and make

497
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: it work with Zion? Well, you got to bring him

498
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Speaker 1: in somewhat. I know he's young. In the this hiring process,

499
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, he's got to feel comfortable in the next

500
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: head coach that you bring in. Yeah, it's got to

501
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: be someone who can relate to him, who can speak

502
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: to him, but also isn't going to just give him

503
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: his way and let this be the Zion show. I

504
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: played in situations where I knew the star player had

505
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: more control than the head coach, and it was ugly.

506
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: It was ugly. We weren't a good team. It didn't

507
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Speaker 1: work out. I'm not gonna name them names. I'm gonna

508
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: just leave that out there for you guys. It didn't

509
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Speaker 1: work out. And I've been in situations where the head

510
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Speaker 1: coach had respect and a star player knew now to

511
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Speaker 1: do what he needed to do. But Zion Williamson has

512
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: to learn how to be a superstar. He got superstars

513
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: like talent he's I think he's over exceeded at least

514
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: my expectations and many of our expectations. But he's still

515
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: on the cusp of like, hey, kind of what are

516
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: you in this league? And to me, it's no gosh

517
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: darn excuse anywhere on anybody's planet that they couldn't get

518
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: the ten seed or better in the Western Conference with

519
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: two All Stars on the same team. We don't need

520
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: to go down that road. But ultimately he needs a

521
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: coach who can get him in line. And ultimately I

522
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: love the idea of a former player or someone who

523
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: can talk bad talk, because you got to be able

524
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: to relate to your players, and you got one job

525
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: as a head coach at the NBA relate to your players.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Ryan, it sounds like you're pinning some

527
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: of this struggles on Zion. I mean, he was the

528
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: best post scorer in the NBA this year. He's basically

529
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: shattered all records Like teenagers, Why couldn't they win? Because

530
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: a roster sting, But why couldn't they wear David Griffin

531
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: put together a garbage roster. Garbage is harsh. These guys

532
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: are professional Ingram is garbage. Brandon Ingram is a good scorer.

533
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: That's what Brandon Ingram is. He's a good score. He's

534
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: a good number three. They paid him like he's a

535
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Speaker 1: number one or two. He's he's a very good score,

536
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: very good, very he's he's not Mini Durant, but he's not. Okay,

537
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: they don't blay deep can spot stop it. Don't do that,

538
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: don't do don't do that. So so none of this

539
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: falls on the shoulders of van Gundi and Griffin. You're

540
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: putting it all on Zion some of it. Some of

541
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: it is. But Ryan saying is like, look, some of

542
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: what stan Vangundi wanted them to do is is still

543
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: going to be a problem no matter who's the coach.

544
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: St He wanted to play defense. They don't play a defense.

545
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Nobody in the NBA plays defense. Is not best offensive

546
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: in the history. Westbrook alone can get you to the playoffs.

547
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: Maybe well, Russell Westbrook alone. Bradley Beale was an All

548
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: NBA player. Ryan stopped. He was an All NBA player

549
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: this year. It was the East. Westbrook didn't do that

550
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: in the West. Ok Once Kevin Durant left, don't do

551
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: that with me. Let's not talk Russell Westbrook couldn't do that.

552
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: It was a championship caliber team that you you took

553
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: him out and he like, what we doing? What are

554
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: we doing? Well? I don't know how we we veered

555
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: off off course? Um okay, So I agree with you

556
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: on talked like, I think that's the trend that you're

557
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: seeing in the NBA, right, guys that guys that are

558
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: are ty Lou, guys that are Steve Nash, Guys that

559
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: are in their forties played or Jamal Moseley relatable. That guys.

560
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: The old NBA coach thing is kind of tired, kind

561
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: of kind of going away. Who's the guy in New Orleans?

562
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it Fred Vincent? Is that who they elevate?

563
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Chauncey Billups. I think you

564
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta go after you know, obviously he's looking

565
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: like Jason Kidd is off the market. Maybe maybe the

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00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: right price may sway him. Uh, Chauncey Billups. Uh. There's

567
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: there's a number of guys you gotta you know, Fizzdale,

568
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: a Fizzdale. Maybe it doesn't have to be a former

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00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: big time pro, you know, maybe an assistant, a relatable

570
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: assistant there So I'm not clear. I mean, shoot, Sam Kaselles.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why people haven't thrown money

572
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: at Sam Caselle. Yet we saw how excellent he was

573
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: with Shake Gildrick's Alexander job Wall. You know, outside of

574
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: the injuries, hadn't really played as well as basketball as

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Speaker 1: since you know he was with Sam Cazall kind of

576
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: tutoring and mentoring him. I'm seeing his brow. But he's

577
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: gotta have someone that that develops. But it's got you know,

578
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: you gotta talk to talk, Doug. Doug, you're a former player.

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Speaker 1: You know what the talk is. There's a different talk

580
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: in the locker room. You gotta be able to talk

581
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: to talk. You know, ty Lou, when Tyler was an

582
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: assistant when I was in Boston in LA he was

583
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: able to get in Kg's behind just because he talked

584
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: to talk. He understood it. You know, he knew buttons

585
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: to push. You know, I heard him screaming Blake Griffin

586
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: and Chris Paul when they weren't doing their jobs. You know,

587
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: you gotta have someone who can relate. And there's levels

588
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: to this, and there's a different type of unwritten rule

589
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: in the locker room that an assistant or a former

590
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: player may have and understand that the head coach may not.

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Speaker 1: You know, in Zion Williams say in particular, he needs

592
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: someone who can push those right buttons. Luka Donchez clearly

593
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: needed someone who can push the right buttons. I mean

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Speaker 1: he played well, but clearly he went on the same

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00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: page with Rick Carlile was a coach that I played for. Ryan.

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00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, I'm with you on the on

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00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: the former player. But what happened to what about Lloyd

598
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: Pierson Atlanta? Lloyd Pierson Trey Young seemed to get along

599
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: last year and then they had the offseason Summer of

600
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: love out here, all these great stories about of the

601
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Hawks for bonding, and then you know, everybody's hurting. Lloyd

602
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: Pierce gets fired. He apparently Trey Young didn't like him,

603
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: wanted a new guy, and now we got kind of

604
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: an old school guy. Nate McMillan. Is he old school enough?

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00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean he played Helen. And here's the thing, Lloyd

606
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: Lloyd may have been. For one, Lloyd may have been

607
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: too young. And for two, Trey Young at that stage

608
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: in his career may have had a little bit of

609
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: too much freedoms. Yeah, what do I mean by that.

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00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: I haven't been there in that locker room. I haven't

611
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: spoken to people, but from the outset and looking at

612
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: things that I've heard, Trey Young was just all powerful

613
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: without having all the wins and was kind of running

614
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: the muck and saying what he wanted to. And I'm

615
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: certain when Nate McMillan came into that locker room he

616
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: brought respect to those guys. Those guys learned how to

617
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: be teammates, they learned how to grow. So Trey was

618
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: too young to have the young coach, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, because respect is a huge factor, you know,

620
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: like when Lebron looked at ty Lou, he could be

621
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: like dog. I played with MJ. I was in there

622
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: with MJ. I was in there with Kobe, I was

623
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: in there with Shack. So not only do I know

624
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: how to talk to you, I'm a world champion. I

625
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: got something that you want to have, you know what

626
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Or I've seen guys go places where you

627
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: want to go, so you do have to carry a

628
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: strong level of respect. And I just think Nate McMillan

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Speaker 1: was a good mix. You didn't need a young guy

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Speaker 1: or coaching that and it great coach now listen, listen,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it's about it's not necessarily about

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Speaker 1: whether or not a guy can do it or can't

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Speaker 1: do it, but the timing and the fit and the

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Speaker 1: you know it. But it's it's there's where do you

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Speaker 1: get a player? What is the Trey Young things you

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Speaker 1: point out as hard right, came in the league and

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Speaker 1: he plays away, which he's going to dominate the ball.

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Speaker 1: He'll take that one extra dribble so he makes sure

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Speaker 1: he gets in hisst It wasn't particularly good defensively. You

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Speaker 1: got to hold him accountable, and yet you still need

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Speaker 1: him to grow in order to be It's it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a hard one. It's really hard. All right, Let's

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Speaker 1: get let's get to really quickly. Um, how much do

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Speaker 1: you hold Doc Rivers accountable for what happened two nights ago?

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Speaker 1: Here here's the mass. Doc Rivers had been a part

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Speaker 1: of some of the largest comebacks in NBA history, and

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Speaker 1: he's got to take accountability for that as a coach.

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Speaker 1: But for me, and I've screamed from the mountaintops from

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Speaker 1: day one, Doug, I've been assassinated a lot more than

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Speaker 1: you via social media and internet all that. I said,

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Speaker 1: the problems with Ben Simmons where they were, they were

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Speaker 1: just glaring in Philadelphia would have true success until he

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Speaker 1: got found a jump shot or just something efficient in

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Speaker 1: fourth quarters and in the second half of that game.

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Speaker 1: For Ben Simmons to go completely ineffective, it is inexcusable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, get the ball on the post, you know,

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Speaker 1: missing free throws at the guard spot, it's inexcusable. So

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Speaker 1: for only Joel Embiid to had a ball in his

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Speaker 1: hand and curry the score in the second half of

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Speaker 1: that game, it's just not gonna work. If you were

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Speaker 1: coaching against Doc Rivers and you knew damn well at

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Speaker 1: some point, Nick McMillan knew who we are going to

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Speaker 1: down the stretch. You can't post up down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: You're running Joel Embiid off of a stagger, scream like,

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Speaker 1: it's just not going to work. So once Jimmy Butler left,

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Speaker 1: Jilly's chances went down to tube. Like Nate asked Nate,

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Speaker 1: Nick millan, figuring it out, said whoa, whoa, whoa, who

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Speaker 1: are they going to? Guys, they don't have anybody to

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Speaker 1: go to. Who's their clothes. Hold on, you name a coach, Jason,

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Speaker 1: don't do that. No means the clothes were on food. Listen, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, this was the number one team in the East,

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Speaker 1: best record. They steamroll the Hawks for three quarters and

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Speaker 1: it was simply a fourth quarter collapse because of Doc Rivers.

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Speaker 1: Don't pin this all on Ben Simmons because he hasn't

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Speaker 1: taken a shot in the fourth quarter of the last

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Speaker 1: two games. Tobias Harris, he's making the most money on

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Speaker 1: that damn roster. Jason, Jason. You couldn't lock him. You

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00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: can lock him in the Jimmy couldn't score ten a game, right,

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Speaker 1: stop him. He's one of the all stars in NBA history.

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Speaker 1: One of the best. Is fault that he can't make

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Speaker 1: a free throw. No fault, he couldn't stop the bleeding

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Speaker 1: free throw. Listen, it's it's okay, let's let's let's get that.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna convince j Jason, Jason. This is like

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Speaker 1: convincing Donald Trump that the elector lost lost lost the election. No, no, President,

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Speaker 1: you lost, no, no, no, no no Simmons. President, you lost,

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Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no, You're lost. We checked it

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Speaker 1: all out and you lost. Like no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: thirty percent on Ben Simmons. You could go thirty three

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Speaker 1: percent on Tobias Harris and you go thirty four on doc.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask this hold on hold him is is

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Speaker 1: Luca Donche's job in Dallas? Is that a good coaching job?

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Speaker 1: Given what we know about Mark Cuban, about the shadow, GM, Harla,

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Speaker 1: Bob and Luca done being a superstar? Is that a

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Speaker 1: good job in Dallas? And think this over before you answer,

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00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: oh great, they got the best player in the league. Man,

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Speaker 1: Like you guys know, I don't cuss, but you almost

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Speaker 1: made me because Jason mcintard, I don't cut Are you

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Speaker 1: kidding me? That is an amazing job. You want to

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Speaker 1: know why? Because Mark Cuban is willing to do anything

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Speaker 1: to win. When Steve Bamber came into the Clippers, okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe we can say, well, Kaw, while you didn't do

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Speaker 1: this a document, but Steve bombers like all here, poem,

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Speaker 1: here the keys. What do y'all needs? Mark Cuban is

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Speaker 1: the same way saying what do you need to win?

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Speaker 1: What do I need to put around you? Luca? I

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00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: got my guy. Sorry, Luca, you're bigger than Donnie Nelson.

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Speaker 1: You're bigger than Rick Carlisle. Rick, thank you for your services,

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Speaker 1: but no, thank you, Luca Donche. I can win the

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Speaker 1: championship with you. And if you step in as a

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Speaker 1: head coach, you gotta come into the one thing I

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Speaker 1: will say, you gotta have respect. When I was there

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Speaker 1: the year prior or excuse me, sometime the coach fire

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00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: was Avery Johnson. That a problem is when Avery got promoted,

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Speaker 1: Avery was getting micro managed, right, So if you are

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Speaker 1: a coach, you gotta have the respect there where Cuban

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Speaker 1: ain't sending you put you know, cars to say, put

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Speaker 1: this guy in the game or us. That's what the

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Speaker 1: shadow GM is doing. And by the way, Mark Cuban

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Speaker 1: will do anything to win, but he hasn't won a

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Speaker 1: playoff series in a decade. So yeah, you're right, Ryans

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Speaker 1: don't do that. He has a championship, he does that

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Speaker 1: ten years ago. Doesn't matter one more than one more

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Speaker 1: than all these other Real quick, uh, real quick, here

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Speaker 1: f Ryan the studio man, Ryan Ryan um can Can

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Speaker 1: the Nets win as currently comprised against them? Or will

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00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: the Nets win as currently comprised against the Bucks? They will?

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Speaker 1: James Harden is getting better and better. He actually kind

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Speaker 1: of looked like himself for a couple of possessions, if

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Speaker 1: not a quarter last night. Uh. If I had to

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Speaker 1: put my money on Middleton and Jannis or Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: by himself, I'm going with Kevin Durant. I thought the

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Speaker 1: chess match behind the scenes was excellent from Bud, because Budd,

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Speaker 1: if you watch on film, and I want to point

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Speaker 1: this out, you know the basketball nerd me is jumping out.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant arguably has the most prolific fade away jumper

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Speaker 1: in NBA history, Sorry Michael Jordan. And what they started

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Speaker 1: to do is they overplayed his fade away and ran

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Speaker 1: a double team from the base I've ever seen. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. It was for the jumper though, for the saw.

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Speaker 1: So when when k D went to his move, the

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Speaker 1: defender just jumped and sold out and then the second

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Speaker 1: guy came late. Normally that double team you forced a

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Speaker 1: guy to drive, and you double team to drive. I've

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Speaker 1: never seen the double team on the fade away, but

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Speaker 1: it was an intriguing way that Budd played it. Jannis

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Speaker 1: didn't take a three pointer. The hardest thing that Kevin

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Speaker 1: Kevin Garnette told me in my career during our playoff run,

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Speaker 1: was that the hardest thing you ever do is eliminated

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Speaker 1: a team. I don't care how good or bad they are,

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Speaker 1: It's hard to eliminated team. Hardest thing you're ever going

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00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: to do in your life is eliminated the team at

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00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs in the Buck showed us that last night,

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Speaker 1: but in a Game seven at the crib, I've got

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Speaker 1: my money on easy money, Sniper Fellas. That's Ryan Hollins

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Speaker 1: ten your NBA vet. Check out the opinionated Seven Footers podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Ryan entire you Son Nelson. I'm on

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Speaker 1: my way man, I'll be there in fifteen minutes. Bro.

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Speaker 1: I good, you can answer this question. Will the Clippers

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Speaker 1: get to the Western Conference Finals without Kauhi? Find out next.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. So, Jason, he said, the jury is

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Speaker 1: still out on tylw Okay, can the Clippers win one

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00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: of these last two? Um? I think so that. That's

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00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: my gut. Every time you want to trust them, they fail,

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00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: and then when you're like, oh no, no, they got

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00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: no shot, they win. That's how it's worked for the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of think they win tonight. Um. You

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00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: know it helps the Donovan Mitchell's basically playing on one

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00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: leg and Mike Conley has a hamstring that cannot be healed.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe they can't find mister Miyagi or his

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00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: young son or his grandson to fix Mike Conley. But

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Speaker 1: this is just gutting for Utahagi was single. That was

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty obviously somewhere. I know he passed away in

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Speaker 1: real life. Ri Ip pat Morita. Um big, Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: a big Karate Kid fan. And by the way, are

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00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: you watching Cobra Kai and what You're gonna like it? Dude?

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00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: And you can watch it with the kids. There are

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00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: some adult themes, but your kids are a little older

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00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: than mine. Um. Yeah, So I feel bad for Utah. Right,

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00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: this was their shot, you know, home court advantage, the

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Speaker 1: Dono Mitchell plan on one leg, Like, come on, what

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00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: do you mean? Come on? All he's doing is jack

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00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: and threes. No, he's still attacking the basket pretty much.

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Speaker 1: I mean the last games, they're trying a lot because

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Speaker 1: they're doing it better. Questionable tonight, Doug, come on, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So do you think do you think the Clippers are

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00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: gonna win? Yeah? I do. And I'm gonna take some

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00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: more heat because I've been bashing them all year. I

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00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: said there were there were content undisputed. I said there

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00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: were there were contestants on the Bachelor who had a

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00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: better chance at the ring than the Clippers this year,

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: and now Kawai's hurt and they're gonna go to the

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00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: conference finals, which is kind of laughable. But as long

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00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 1: as the Suns have Chris Paul and this this COVID

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00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: scare and it's crazy because he has the vaccine according

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00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: to multiple reports. Yeah, I think the Suns get to

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. I don't know if they win. I

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00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: don't know if they beat the Hawks or not in

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00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: the finals. Um. I mean, this postseason's crazy, Like you

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00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: could make a case all seven teams could win it still, right, Doug,

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Speaker 1: anybody I guess I don't see. I don't see the

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Speaker 1: Hawks winning it, even if they win this series. I

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Speaker 1: struggle to see the seventy six ers winning it, even

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Speaker 1: if they win the series. I do think the Bucks

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Speaker 1: of the Nets could win it. Nets have to be

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Speaker 1: healthy sons, and I can't see the Clippers winning it.

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Speaker 1: I can see the Clippers winning one of the next two,

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Speaker 1: but I can't see them winning the NBA Finals. I

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Speaker 1: trust Mike Budenholzer to walk my dog while I was

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Speaker 1: on vacation. I don't trust him to win the conference finals.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if they're favorite. I did just win

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Speaker 1: last night. The constant buzzkill Jason McIntyre couldn't Luca drive

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Speaker 1: away potential head coaching candidates find out next