WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Handwashing vs Dishwashers 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.440 Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh and 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.320 there's Chuck over there, and this is short stuff and 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.840 we're shorten it up stuff person. Yeah, this one is Uh, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.440 it's amazing, especially when you're a listener of the Judge 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:22.200 John Hodgman episode Um from our Old Pal or Old 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.400 Pals Jesse Thorn and John hodgment. How many cases come 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.840 through and not major cases they do the smaller sort 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.360 of just email cases at the end about couples fighting 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.559 over dishwashing. Yeah, I can totally see that, because this 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:40.599 is one of those things where you're just like, it's 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.239 intuitively correct one way or another. But this is one 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.040 of those beautiful and rare things where it's like, no, 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.720 the one is demonstrably correct the thing you should be doing, 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.440 and even better, it's the thing that you wouldn't think 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.760 would be the correct thing to do. It's a beautiful thing. Chuck, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.000 and I'm gonna stop talking vague terms and let's really 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.840 drill into this. Yeah, and beyond what we're going to 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.360 mainly talk about, which is is it better to hand 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.840 wash dishes or use your dishwasher? Uh, the nitpicky how 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.039 to load a dishwasher thing is the subject of It's 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.480 just sort of one of the most age old arguments 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:21.840 you can have in a marriage, because people come into 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.039 the marriage or a relationship or partnership with very strong 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.360 ideas on how to wash dishes, how do so how 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.119 to load a dishwashers in dispute like should you hang 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.080 from the ceiling or lay on the floor? Oh sure? 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.600 Like should you do half of a dishwasher load? Do 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.640 you load the silverware? Times up or times down? Or 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.200 does it even matter times up unless you're like some 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.160 sort of deranged criminal. Is it knives up or knives down? 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.480 Knives up? Oh? So leave those stabby things just pointing up. Well, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.800 if it's an actual knife, you shouldn't be washing those 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.880 in your dishwasher anyway. But I'm talking about like a 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.000 dinner knife or a butter knife. Oh no, what do 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.280 you mean? You shouldn't be washing the steak knife. You 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.840 don't want to run a good knife through a dishwasher, pal, 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.720 I don't care what the energy your water savings. This 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.480 is because it wears them down. And also usually if 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.400 you have a good knife, you have a probably a 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.160 knife with a good handle on it, and they're not 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.800 usually made to be run through the dishwasher, they start 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.560 to crack or if it's would it becomes problematic. And 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.280 there's no faster way to doll a knife than to 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:28.240 run it through a dishwasher. Yeah, what does it? I 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.600 believe particulate matter, uh, beating it, kind of sand blasting it, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.960 and then also just the water, the effect of the 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.200 water over time. These are you don't want to do that. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.480 You don't want to do that that People debate incessantly 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.880 in marriages about dishwasher Emily and I go back and 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:50.320 forth about dishwasher stuff all the time because we both 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:51.960 do it a little bit, and it seems like one 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.600 of those things in a partnership where one person just 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.800 should just be in charge and the other other person 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.760 should stay out of it. I see, Yeah, there are 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.400 things like that. You mean, I have laundries once. She's like, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.760 I am doing the laundry. Emily won't let me do laundry. Yeah, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.359 but dish washing, we've never really had a problem with. Um, 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.720 do you both load it? No? We both hand wash. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.400 Oh no, you don't know, it's true. We both handwashed. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.680 Like I've been researching this and I notice some cass 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.040 Gate commercials and was like is that true? And then 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.240 that actually prompted me a cass Gate commercial prompted me 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:31.600 to pick this one, and um, it was like like 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:33.440 when I researched it, it it was like, no, the cass 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.600 Gate commercial tells the truth, and this is something I 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.320 should not be doing anymore, which is handwashing dishes. So 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.320 you have a dishwasher and you would still handwash all 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.600 your dishes. Yeah, we have a nice dishwasher too, and 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.720 how would you still handwash? Well, one one reason why 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.200 is we thought that it was it uses less energy, water, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.200 all that stuff, which it turns out is just wrong. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:55.120 And then the other reason why, as I remember seeing 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.120 like the guy who created the hygiene hypothesis or we 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.960 talked about his study once where people who eat off 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.080 of plates or used utensils that have been run through 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:11.040 the dishwasher had higher incidences of allergies to like food 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.920 and other things than people who hand washed because they 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.920 were exposed to slightly more germs. So we were hand 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:23.159 washing because it's dirtier. Basically is that is how you 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.120 can kind of boil it down. But now I'm kind 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.880 of like, man, this is this seems like the wrong 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.160 thing to do. Handwashing dishes, and I did it like 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.960 all the wrong ways, water running the whole time, the 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:37.279 whole shebang. All right, Well, I think that that actually 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.760 turns out to be a set up, and we'll take 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:41.800 a break and we'll come back and even though you 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.839 kind of spoiled it, uh, will reveal the real truth 0:04:45.000 --> 0:05:14.039 right after this. Alright, Chuck revealed the truth. Well, it 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.520 is a big misconception that using a dishwasher, even and 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.919 they say you should really load that thing full, but 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.280 I have seen statistics that even doing like more half 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.800 loads per week is still a lot less water than 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.640 hand washing dishes. Yeah. Um, which is a real big surprise. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.000 I think one of the reasons why I didn't understand 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.159 this because you and I grew up with dishwashers that 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.680 were terrible as far as efficiency and water uses concerned. 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.920 But unbeknownst to us, even though I have a pretty 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.320 new dishwasher, I'm guessing you probably do too. Um that 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.520 they they they have advanced by leaps and bounds in 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.680 the last few years and now they're actually like lean 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.240 mean energy and water saving machines. They are the Energy 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.520 Star program in the United States, the government getting involved 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:09.919 and regulating things across the board. The Energy Star program 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:14.600 has been a massive success, and a certified Energy Star 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.880 dishwasher in the US uses less than four gallons of 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.720 water per cycle, the whole thing, the whole thing, and 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.800 you can go through four gallons of water every two 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:29.159 minutes off your handwashing. Yeah, they have efficiency, high efficiency 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.880 faucets now that typically come in and about one and 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.600 a half gallons per minute. And I don't think it's 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.440 legal to have a faucet more than two and a 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.720 half gallons in the United States or two point two 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.720 gallons per minute. But even still, like like I did 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:45.640 a little math, and like you were saying, you've seen 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.040 before where even if you run half loads multiple times 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.600 a week, Um, if you're doing like a quarter of 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.120 a load of dishes and you're using all four gallons, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.919 you're still probably using less water than you would to 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.240 wash that cord load by hand, because it's probably going 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.000 to take longer than two minutes to do all those dishes. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.279 So if you have the water running the whole time, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.360 even running a quarter load is still going to save 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.880 more water than if you were doing the dishes by hand. Okay, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.040 but hey, you're not using anything on your power bill. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.600 You're not burning any coal or even using any solar 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.120 to use your hands. So it's clearly better to use 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.640 your hands and not that energy consuming dishwasher right now 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.120 because that hot water. Thank you for sending me up 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:33.960 to look like the smart one here. I appreciate that. 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.280 Because the hot water that's coming out of your tap 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.480 comes from your hot water heater. Uh. If you're using 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.120 a hot water heater, in fact, you're actually using a 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.240 lot of energy to heat that water, and it's going 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.560 on constantly, whereas a high efficiency or just a regular 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:54.440 new dishwasher um uses kind of targeted uh hot water, 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.160 not throughout the whole time. So it's not that water 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.800 is not being heated the whole time while you're washing 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:02.920 the dishes. If you use the dishwasher, it is while 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.360 you're doing it by hand. That's right. With an energy 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.840 star dishwasher, you can use that thing four times a 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.160 week and it will only cost you and run up 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.480 about a hundred and thirty dollars worth of energy a 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:21.240 year a year. And that's even assuming eleven kill a 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.600 watt eleven cents to kill a watt hour I saw, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:28.040 which is that's all less than average. Yeah, so dishwasher efficiency. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.120 This is where Emily and I really get into most 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.280 of our scrapes. It's not times upper, times down, it 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.040 is uh my, um, you know, I'm I'm sort of 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.760 the family packer. I'm the tetris master. So when I'm 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.000 packing a car for a trip, or packing when we've 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.720 had to move and stuff like that, she leaves that 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.079 stuff to me because I'm really good at like making 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.280 the most efficient use of a space, and I carry 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.079 that over to the dishwasher. I can tetris that thing. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.800 So it's so full, it's like can barely even hold 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.440 the amount of stuff on a rack. And it just 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.200 makes me so happy. Whereas Emily will get in there, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.440 she'll be like she'll use the juicer in the morning 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.200 and maybe the food processor that you know, these things 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:14.040 have large, sort of multiple components and that's it. You 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.120 got like two glasses and then that stuff to run 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.000 a dishwasher load. And it drives me crazy because then 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.800 the stuff is stacking up in the sink and uh. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.600 I try to be like, honey, you gotta put more 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.000 stuff in here, and she's like, no, it's better just 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.040 to run up more. You just gotta stay on it. Huh. Well, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.280 So one of the things that popped up to me is, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.720 you know, it's just you, me and Momo and I here. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.360 So we have a limited number of dishes um that 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.280 we use and that we even have in some cases 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.200 we kind of try to trim it down to whatever 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.160 we need, not like you know, we each have one 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.280 fork or anything like that, but you know, like the 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.240 number of cops and that kind of stuff that we 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.200 have hanging around is limited to where we couldn't do 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:59.760 the dishes just once a week, like you just can't. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.240 So that's it's kind of like still run the dishwasher. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:07.440 No you can't, Yes, of course you can. You come 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.160 over anytime you want. That's my dream, dude. If Emily 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.040 wouldn't think I was crazy, I would assign each family 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.200 member a cup before, a spoon and knife, and a 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.000 plate in a bowl, and I would throw everything else 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.440 out because we have She'll go through eight water glasses 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.120 in a day because she just sits them down and 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:27.640 then goes and gets another one, and it drives me bonkers. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:32.760 So you're decorating an inspiration is like re education camp. Man. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.040 It makes me crazy, and then kids like you'd be 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.600 surprised at how much how many dishes a six year 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.720 old will go through it too. Oh yeah, no, you 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.360 totally can, especially if you have a lot of dishes 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.720 you go through, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, and 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.120 then they build up to they just kind of just accumulates. Dude, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.200 We've got like twenty five coffee cups and I don't 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:58.520 drink coffee. It's ridiculously like a cute coffee cups though, 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.280 So what are you gonna do deny her her her collection? No, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.440 And I don't actually blame her because that is the 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.760 thing that we have the most of too, because you 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.880 can get cool stuff and we like our plates. We 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.520 have lovely plates that we like. But we also get 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.960 into it with the other things in the efficiencies, which 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:18.800 is resisting the urge to pre rense. I'll do a 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.000 scrape and throw it in the dishwasher and Emily he's like, no, man, 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.040 you gotta rinse that stuff off really good or it's 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.199 not going to get clean. And they're saying, not true. No, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.720 Emily is a demon from hell for even suggesting that. Apparently, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:34.800 I'll tell her that, yeah, like you do not prerense 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.520 the dishes, that is Ah, as one of the guys 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.320 from the Natural Resources Defense Counsel, I think the senior 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.560 scientist his name is Noah Horowitz, says, it is a 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:51.360 complete waste of water and energy, and you're a demon 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.600 from hell if you do it. That's what the dishwasher 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.920 is for. That's what I always say. But there's another 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.160 thing that comes from our upbringing and our being eighties 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.679 and seventies kids too, is you That did not used 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.920 to be the case. Those things basically had to go 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.920 in sparkling clean for them to come out sparkling clean. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.800 And now dishwashers are just that much better, where if 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.400 you scrape the stuff off and you put them in there, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.920 they're gonna come out clean. Remember that ad for either 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.120 dishwashers or dishwashing detergent where they they baked in frosted 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:23.840 a cake and then put the whole thing with the 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.240 plate on it in the dishwasher and ran it and 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.560 it came out clean. I don't remember that. One's gross. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.920 It's almost as bad as that lys Al commercial where 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.240 the woman uses the raw chicken to wiper counters down 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.800 rather than Oh, I haven't seen that either. Oh, it's 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.440 tough to watch this one. Was not nearly as bad, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.680 but in the same ballpark for sure. Well, they say, 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.480 scrape it, fill it up as good as you can, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.880 don't do the pre rents. And then if you can 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.760 afford to upgrade from that that nineteen nineties model that 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.840 is using way more energy because you're you know, it's 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.719 gonna cost you in the long ground and with your 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.839 water bill and with your power bill. So if you 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.800 can scrape together the money to upgrade that to a 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.520 to a better, more efficient, newer machine than do so. Yeah, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.000 but it sounds like even those older machines, depending on 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.240 how many dishes you have to do, are still better. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.920 There's still save water compared to hand washing. Yeah, and 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.679 I will I will admittedly hand wash um like really 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.360 big mixing bowls for salad bowls. I'll handwash that stuff 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.040 because going back to my pet peeve, that takes up 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.800 a rack, uh right, it does, which is kind of inefficient. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.080 And plus also it's it's satisfying to washing them, dry 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:37.319 that off and put it back quickly. Yeah. I kind 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.200 of like that. You guys are neat like that too, Yeah, yea. 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.000 If you if you have, you should come move in 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.240 with us, like you can all right, Um, we'll get 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.400 a draw un okay. Um, So if you don't have 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.720 a dishwasher, and you're like, well, I'd like to save 0:13:55.440 --> 0:14:00.360 energy and water, you jerks, but I don't have a dishwasher. Um, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.040 there are things you can do to save water and energy, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.680 and that is uh if you can manage a two 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:11.599 uh tub sink you know what I'm talking about in 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.760 the middle split tub nice, Um, you want to fill 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.480 one up with warm soap, you water, let the dishes 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.200 soak in that for a while, and then fill up 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.400 the other one in clean water and rinse them off 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.240 in there and just put them up. Don't run that 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.960 water while you're doing it. That is good enough and 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.480 that should do the trick. That's the key. And don't 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.360 run water while you're standing there brushing your teeth. No, 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.160 I I came up with the biggest waste of water 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.640 that you can possibly do. It's where you dump ice out, 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.640 so you're dumb, you're wasting water to begin with, and 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.560 then you run warm water over that to make it 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.400 melt fast. Oh no, I've done that before, and I 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.560 was like, this is the biggest waste of water you 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:56.800 could possibly do when making That's a great way to 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.200 do it. There's a lot of stuff you could do 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.280 just starting with the ice, but really try to make 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.960 it melt faster for zero reason whatsoever. Then it bothers 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.400 you that there's ice in the sink. That's a big 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.920 waste of water. I've learned my lesson ethic. Okay, well 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.560 is that it? Yeah? 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