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Speaker 1: Justin Timberlake one or two point seven Kiss FM joining

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Speaker 1: us now one of our favorite people. Freed Zakaria from

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Speaker 1: c n N Free. Thanks for coming back on. There's

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Speaker 1: every time you're on, there's like a list of things

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about. And we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the CNN special that I know that it's coming up.

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Speaker 1: But just to start, I was watching you maybe it

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Speaker 1: was last weekend, and I almost emailed you, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: let me not bother him with an email about this

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Speaker 1: question that's naive. But you were talking about the nuclear

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Speaker 1: um sword rattling from Putin and how with desperation. This is,

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Speaker 1: you know, something that we all have to think about

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Speaker 1: around the world, and you commented about if he were

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Speaker 1: to use nuclear weapons there would be a response that

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Speaker 1: is equal. What does that mean? I'm just curious. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know this is a big problem, which is

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Speaker 1: what do you do? The beasts in the world rests

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Speaker 1: on the on something called mad which is sounds weird,

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Speaker 1: but mutually short destruction. So the idea is the Russians

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Speaker 1: have these crazy nuclear weapons that can reach the U

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Speaker 1: s And wipe out whole cities. And the reason they

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Speaker 1: don't use them is because we have the same missiles

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Speaker 1: and we would be able to fire them at the Russians,

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Speaker 1: So that kind of deters each other. Um. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 1: Russians also have some very small nuclear weapons which they

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Speaker 1: could use. They're called tactical nuclear weapons, which they could

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Speaker 1: use on the battlefield in Ukraine if they felt like

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Speaker 1: their backs were against the wall, if they felt like

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Speaker 1: they were losing, they had no option. So the question becomes,

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Speaker 1: what do you do about that. Let's say, you know,

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Speaker 1: they use a nuclear weapon. It doesn't destroy a whole city,

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Speaker 1: but it crosses that bar of of no use of

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons that has been in place for seventy five years.

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Speaker 1: It's devastating. It does cause a lot of radiation. Uh,

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Speaker 1: those those blocks in the city would be uninhabitable probably

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Speaker 1: or years, you know, kind of chernobyl like thing. So

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Speaker 1: the US military, I believe, on the basis of the

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Speaker 1: reporting I've done, is thinking of not responding with a

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Speaker 1: nuclear attack of our own, so sort of sending the

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Speaker 1: signal the Russians can behavior irresponsibly, we won't, but instead

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Speaker 1: to do a kind of devastating conventional strike. So, to

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Speaker 1: give you an example, one thing the U. S Military

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Speaker 1: could do was you know, an air campaign that would

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Speaker 1: just destroy every Russian troop position in Ukraine, which would

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Speaker 1: essentially end the war. You know, the Ukrainians would then

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Speaker 1: basically just walk through those those positions take over that land.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a smart way to think about

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Speaker 1: it because and the Biden administration is doing it smartly,

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Speaker 1: because what you're saying to the Russians is if you

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Speaker 1: do that, the war's over. Brain wins, we will end it.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing I wanted to get your reaction

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Speaker 1: to or the protests in Iran after the death of

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Speaker 1: the woman, like the police there. Um, we've seen those protests.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think this goes? You know, so far

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Speaker 1: the best rules, sadly, has been to bet uh that

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Speaker 1: repression works, that if you're really willing to use force,

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Speaker 1: you know, thinking about I think, yeah, think about Russia,

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Speaker 1: think about China. You know, the people at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day under totally understandably, people don't want to die.

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Speaker 1: They've got families to look after. Um. But what I

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Speaker 1: have to say is the bravery of these women, It's

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Speaker 1: just amazing. You know, you get jailed for not wearing

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Speaker 1: your headscar in Iran and these women are saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: publicly and their videotaping themselves and they're going out. So

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Speaker 1: what I think they're trying to do is to force

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Speaker 1: a debate within the regime that says, we gotta we

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Speaker 1: gotta drop this requirement. But the problem is it's been

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Speaker 1: so central to their to the regime and to the

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Speaker 1: the ideology of control. But maybe they'll find a crack

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Speaker 1: here in the regime, we hope. So it's it's tough

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Speaker 1: to see free Zakaria with its got a new CNN

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Speaker 1: special supreme power inside the highest court in the land.

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Speaker 1: What's the purpose of this one? I think one of

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Speaker 1: the things that worries me most about America these days

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Speaker 1: is we don't believe in anything. We don't have faith

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Speaker 1: in anything. We don't have faith in the you know, Congress,

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Speaker 1: the presidency, big companies, big media, big tech. Right, one

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Speaker 1: of the few things that we all respected was the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Um used to be like the Army, the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court, maybe the Federal Reserve. Right, Like, at this point,

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Speaker 1: you're left with very few things that you respect, and

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. What I was struck by was this

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Speaker 1: gallopole of Americans three out of every four Americans say

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Speaker 1: they no longer have confidence in the Supreme Court. And

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Speaker 1: I sort of tried to understand why, and I guess

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Speaker 1: the the short answer is the Court has been behaving

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Speaker 1: in very political ways, not judicial legal ways. Everybody understands

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Speaker 1: the Court will come to decisions that you don't agree with.

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Speaker 1: But you you, you always thought it was because the judges,

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Speaker 1: We're using their legal reasoning to come up with where

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Speaker 1: they came up with. But over the last decade, I

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Speaker 1: would say it has seemed as though somehow the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court finds itself endorsing and supporting and and and and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, helping every conservative cause that the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: has been challenged, ha been has been championing. So it

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Speaker 1: makes you wonder what is this? Is this just politics?

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Speaker 1: Is this just are they all just conservative Republicans and

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Speaker 1: they're just doing what what the you know, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: told them to do? Or do they actually have a

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Speaker 1: kind of judicial temperament. Interesting to see all of it.

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Speaker 1: In the special coming up, one of the great thinkers

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Speaker 1: on our planet, freed Zi Carre it with us. It's

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Speaker 1: a scene in special Supreme Power inside the highest court

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Speaker 1: in the land, and if you get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see him on the weekends. I just really look forward

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Speaker 1: to your take on things. When you open your show

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Speaker 1: and you give your perspective and your view, it's so

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Speaker 1: insightful and for me it's it's really the best part

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Speaker 1: of that hour. Thank you so much for having your lab.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you again, pal be Well, take it right.

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Speaker 1: You gotta watch his show on Sundays on CNN. So interesting,

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Speaker 1: all the different curiosity from a guy like that too.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming back in a second to pay a bill.