1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: I'm Annie Ree and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: have an episode for you about gummy candy. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Yes, was there any particular reasons? Was on your mind? Lauren? 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, we just had the Easter holiday. I guess everywhere 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: that celebrates that. Sure, I was gonna say in the 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: United States, but it's more, it's more than just here. Yeah, 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: and uh yeah, here in the US. It does mean 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: that a lot of kids got Easter baskets with a 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: lot of candy in them, including maybe not a lot 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: of maybe maybe not like heavy gummy presence, but probably jellybeans. 12 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Mm. 13 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: And as I was looking at jellybean for I don't know, 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: probably the ninth time in the nine years that we've 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: been doing this, to try to see if we could 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: get an episode out of it, I was like, probably not, 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: But what about gummy candy as a whole? And so 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: here we are. 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: Here we are, and it is a wide ranging topic. 20 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: There were a lot of ways, a lot of roads 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: we could have traveled. 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and a lot of side quests for the future, yes, 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: including jelly beans. 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: I really didn't go too much into them. But yeah, 25 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be a full of 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: so but maybe maybe. 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: A mini yeah, yeah, sure. There's a lot of little 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: things like, especially with like confections and yeah, and different 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: types of cake or cookie that like, right, like don't 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: really warrant their own like I mean, I mean, I 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: guess we could talk for half an hour about them, 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: but how much would it be about that? And how 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: much would it be I don't know my strong opinions. 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah probably but yeah yeah, well yeah sure, sure we'll 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: figure it out. We will. And speaking of strong opinions, 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: yull me candies. Yeah, I wrote in this outline and 37 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: I forgot I did my enemies yeah. 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: Uh huh, those are the words I'm looking at right now. Nope, 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: So is this like tooth related or do you just 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: generally hate gummies? Like on an existential level. 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: You know, I have noticed lately because I've been taking 42 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: like vitamin gummies that there is a tooth issue. But no, 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: this is my cheating category. I often say there are 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: five foods I don't like, but one of them is 45 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: a huge, huge cheat and it's that I don't like 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: artificial fruit flavors. 47 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: I just really don't oh right, right, right, Okay, sure, some. 48 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Of them I can like, I can hang with, but 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: it would never be the thing I chose. Like if 50 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: I was in an easter bastic situation, I'd be miserable 51 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: if it was just gummy candy. Yeah, my friends used 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: to tell me I got gummy tummy, Gummy tummy, gummy tummy. Yeah, 53 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: this just said it made me really grumpy. And I 54 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if there's any truth to that, 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: but I don't seek them out. 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll say that's fair. I love a gummy. I 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: love chewy, textured things in general, and so so it's 58 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: it's a textured thing more so than a flavor thing. 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: But I do really like the flavor of some particular gummies. 60 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: My favorites are like whatever they use for like artificial pineapple. 61 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: That's delicious, and it might be pineapple juice and I 62 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: might be like slowly poisoning myself a tiny bit every 63 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: time I consume it. But the other is those a 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: little red and blackberries with the little kind of crunchies 65 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: on the outside. Oh my goodness. I'll say that this 66 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: was a less cravingy episode than I usually have. I 67 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 2: guess I'm I guess yeah, like sugar, I'm kind of 68 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: going like, yeah. 69 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a time and place, yeah. 70 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this and certain yeah and certainly types of 71 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know that hollow hollow episode. 72 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did. As much as I'm complaining, 73 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: I did. I would throw it down with twist and 74 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: fills back in the day. And I don't know what 75 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: it was about twist and fills that I was cool with, 76 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: but hoo if I did love those. And I have 77 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: a friend who's like, you know, remember those like candy 78 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: places you could go in you just get the like 79 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: shovel and scoop, yeah, into the bag. 80 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the bulk mix. Yeah. 81 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: Oh. She like every type of gummy candy you imagine. 82 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: But she was a really big fan of peach rings, 83 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 1: and I was disappointed I couldn't find as much history 84 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: as I thought I could on peach strings because I 85 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: know that it's not just her, they're pretty popular. 86 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I didn't try looking into that one 87 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: in particular, either. But right now, the one of the 88 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 2: movie theaters near me when I was a kid had 89 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: a candy place with Ben Candy, and that was one 90 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: of my favorite, like go to the movies, like get 91 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: your little bag of candy and then go in it 92 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: was it was really cool. 93 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: Those were exciting times as a kid. Yes, well, you 94 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: can see the past episode we did on Locum or 95 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: Turkish Delight. 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: Sure also related jello aspects. I guess Karen jenin marshmallows, 97 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 2: licorice kind of sort of glutenous rice. 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess that brings us to a question. Sure, 99 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: gummy candies what are they? 100 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: Well, gummy or jelly candies can look like a lot 101 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 2: of things. Literally, they're molded into different shapes. Gummy candies 102 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: are candies made from some kind of flavored sweetened gel 103 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: that will hold a molded shape and be like relatively 104 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 2: shelf stable at room temperature, but will start melting or 105 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: dissolving in your mouth. They're typically small, bite sized because 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: they are on the spectrum of chewy. In fact that 107 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: the gelling agent used will depend on what texture you're 108 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 2: going for in the final product, because gummies can really 109 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: range from very tender to kind of sticky to sort 110 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 2: of bouncy to like kind of firmly elastic. The softer 111 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: types especially may be coated in some kind of like 112 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: fine rain sugar or like a candy shell, to prevent 113 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: the pieces from sticking to each other, and or to 114 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: provide like textural interest. In the case of the aforementioned 115 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: jelly beans, they also get coated in chocolate sometimes. Sure, 116 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: this is a category that encompasses just a lot of things, right, 117 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: like everything from gummy bears and jelly babies to gum 118 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: drops and fruit slices to wine gems to jelly beans. 119 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: The flavorings are usually fruit based, but can be like 120 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: herb or spice flavored as well, like like a cola 121 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: flavored or licorice flavored. Yeah, they can be either opaque 122 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: or translucent. They're often brightly colored either way, and they 123 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: can be and are molded into pretty much any shape 124 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: you want, from soda bottles to sea creatures to burgers 125 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: to brains. Good gummy candies are just really bright, little 126 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: chewy delights, just little bursts of flavor. They are, in 127 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: my opinion anyway, just such a delightful way of making 128 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: something that is beautiful and chewy like fruit, but way 129 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: less good for you. 130 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I can see the appeal. 131 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 2: If you didn't hate the flavors, it would probably help. 132 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: There's probably one out there for me, I just have it. 133 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: Sure, there you go, there you go, all right. So, 134 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: as we discussed in our Turkish Delight or Locome episode, 135 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: gummy type candies work by figuring out how to make 136 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: sugar chewy and moldable to different degrees than just sugar 137 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: plus water can achieve on its own through the use 138 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: of gelling agents, and there are several different ingredients you 139 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: can use to make a gummy. They basically all work 140 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: because they consist of these like friendly molecules that'll get 141 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: all like slippy bloopy when you heat them up, that 142 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: is the science term. But then as they cool down again, 143 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: they're so willing to bond up into like a complex 144 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: scaffolding with each other and also to form bonds with 145 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: water and like hug it into that structure. Molecularly speaking, yeah, 146 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: this also means that anything that's water soluble, like sweeteners 147 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: and flavorings and colorings can come along for the ride. 148 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 2: When gummies are cooled completely to room temperature, that they'll 149 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: have formed up into the shape of whatever you set 150 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: them in, so you can make like kind of detailed 151 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: molds and wind up with the candy of that shape. 152 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: Different gelling agents will do this at different temperatures and 153 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 2: will firm up two different levels of chew. The traditional 154 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: gummy gelling agent is gelatin, which is a type of 155 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: animal protein made up of these long chains of amino acids. 156 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: Gelatin gels up real firm and bouncy, but will melt 157 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: in your mouth or pocket or glove compartment. You know, 158 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 2: is why you wind up with some kind of like 159 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: Akira gummy if you leave a packet in a car 160 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: on the hot day. Anyway, Yeah, this is what standard 161 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: like gummy bears and wine gums are made of. If 162 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: you want to avoid using animal proteins or you're just 163 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: looking for a different texture, there are a number of 164 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: plant based sugars and starches that will also form edible gels. 165 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: They all really deserve their own episodes, but in brief 166 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: and like narrowing in on what we're trying to talk 167 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: about today. Okay, you've got corn starch made from corn, 168 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: perhaps obviously, which will often form a slightly softer and 169 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: stickier gel, think of like gum drops or Swedish fish. 170 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: There's pectin which you can get from a lot of 171 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: different plants which forms up like tender and not super sticky. 172 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Think of the filling of jelly beans or of like 173 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: sunkissed fruit gems if you're familiar with those. Pectin has 174 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: really great flavor release properties, like you get a really 175 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: flavorful bite with it. Then there's aggar. I just looked 176 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: up how to say this, and I'm dubious. I don't 177 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: know it. It's derived from seaweed. It's usually used so 178 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: that it sets up like very soft and tender, think 179 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: of a fruit slices. Yeah, and those are the common ones. Others, though, 180 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: like guar gum or caroa genin or tappyoka or potato 181 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: starch can be used too. Some chewy candies like licorice 182 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 2: use wheat flour as a gelling starch. But I wouldn't 183 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: really categorize those as like a gummy. I don't know. 184 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: It just seems like the texture is different. But you 185 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,479 Speaker 2: do you you write in let me know. Many manufacturers 186 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: will use a combination of these agents to achieve a 187 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: particular feel, either like throughout the gummy or sometimes in 188 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: different layers in the gummy. However, gelling agents are not 189 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: the entire textural picture here, because sugar is complicated enough 190 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: that the forms of it you use and in what 191 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: ratios will really affect the viscosity and the moisture content 192 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: of the gummy goop batter. Sure, yeah, yeah, goop, Let's 193 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: go with goop, and both of those affect the final 194 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: texture of the candy right, And you can see our 195 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: sugar episodes for a little bit more on this, But 196 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: like very basically, the white table sugar that we most 197 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: commonly encounter is a molecule called sucrose, made up of 198 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: fructose and glucose. Sucrose is fairly easy to manufacture from 199 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: stuff like sugarcane and sugar beets, but it also really 200 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: likes being a crystal, which just makes it tricky to 201 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: work with in candy making because, like, if you stir 202 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: it wrong as it's melting, you can wind up with 203 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: a with a grainy mess instead of a smooth melt. 204 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: To help stabilize it, you can add things like invert sugar, 205 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: which is basically like free range fructose in glucose not 206 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: not in crystal form, or starch derived syrups like corn 207 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: syrup or confectioner's glucose, both of which are really happy 208 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 2: being a liquid. These will all lend different textures depending 209 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: on their own formulation. Like, these are not single products 210 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: so but like generally the syrups set up a little 211 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: firmer invert sugar makes a little bit of a softer gel. 212 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: It can depend. Also, Gummies can be made partially or 213 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: entirely with sugar substitutes, either for low sugar diets or 214 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: for products like like gummy vitamins that are supposed to 215 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: be like less of a treat and more of a 216 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: nutritional supplement. Yeah. After that, the flavorings can include any 217 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: number of natural or artificial flavors up to an including 218 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: actual fruit juice concentrate, I don't know. Most mixes will 219 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: involve a little bit of citric acid to balance the 220 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: sweetness of the candy with a bit of tart. Also, 221 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: pecked in particular needs acid to gel up, so that's 222 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: a whole thing. In a factory, gummy candies are made 223 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: very basically like so okay, You prep and measure and 224 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 2: mix the ingredients, heating to dissolve the sugar and the 225 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: gelling agent. Then you cook the goop to whatever temperature 226 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: required for the gelling agent, then cool it to a 227 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: temperature where it's still pourrible. Your goop is then fed 228 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: into a dispenser that can measure it into molds. The 229 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: molds can be made of different materials. The classic is 230 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: a bed of corn starch that's pressed into shape for 231 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: every batch and will leave the top side flat. But yeah, 232 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: whatever the mold looks like. The filled molds are then 233 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: allowed to cool and set, after which the candies can 234 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: be turned out and packaged. 235 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and in all kinds of shapes. They come, as 236 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: you said. 237 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: Laura, Oh my goodness. If you have a favorite one, oh, 238 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: please let us know. I have very strong opinions about this. 239 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: As a kid today today, I think I'm, you know, 240 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: just a good just a simple bear. Simple bear will 241 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 2: suffice a simple bear. 242 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all you need. You know. What about 243 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: the nutrition? 244 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: Oh treats her nice, treats her nice? 245 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I do, I do want to. 246 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: I felt obligated to put in here a note about 247 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: gummy supplements because they are a huge category. Now, okay, like, like, 248 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: whenever possible, do try to get your micronutrients from food. 249 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: And I say that because like, exactly how effective any 250 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: supplement is is going to depend on the nutrients in 251 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: question that you're trying to get, and also how the 252 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: supplement was made. Also, I feel obligated to say here that, 253 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: like generally speaking, like you should not base your nutritional 254 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: decisions on something that a celebrity is being paid to 255 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: tell you. I feel like everyone here knows that, But 256 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm saying that in lieu of reporting on any of 257 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: the very upsetting things that I read about celebrity gummy supplements. 258 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 259 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: That being said though, I mean, you know, like like 260 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: if you or a kid who you're in charge of, 261 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: simply will not eat a piece of fruit, yeah, grab 262 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: a VITAM and C supplement in gummy form. If that's 263 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: what works. You know, like you got to meet people 264 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: where they are and prevents and prevents gurvy. 265 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: So long been a historical problem. M m hm m hm. Well, 266 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: we do have some numbers for you, we do, okay. 267 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 2: So I read that the global market for gummy candy 268 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: is worth about twenty one billion dollars a year. 269 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a lot. 270 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Again, it's a large category. And also we do have 271 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: the supplement thing happening now. So I found a number 272 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: of world records. There is a Guinness record for the 273 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 2: greatest distance a gummy candy has flown before a person 274 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: has caught it in their mouth. 275 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 276 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 2: Well, okay, so this was achieved in twenty twenty three 277 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: by a couple of Harvard students. Their record was one 278 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy seven feet, which is fifty four meters, 279 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: and the thrower in in question used a catapult, which 280 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: is why I didn't say thrown. 281 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad this's worked out. Again. I have so many 282 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: final destinations thoughts happening. 283 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah for good for them, Good for them. 284 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I gave them two thumbs up listeners, you can 285 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: see it. Glad it worked out. 286 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 2: There's also a Guinness record for the largest gummy candy mosaic, 287 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: which was achieved in twenty twenty four by Harribo. I 288 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: think that they're different pronunciations for that large gummy producer 289 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: in English and German, which is horrifying, but that's okay. 290 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 291 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: They constructed the art work out of about one hundred 292 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand gummy bears for a total size of 293 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty three square feet, which is about 294 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: thirty three square meters. 295 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: Now I'm realizing that I might have a stickiness aversion 296 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: as well. 297 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, okay, the I cannot help you there, 298 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: but the mosaic depicted the Horbo gold Bear mascot, which 299 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: is like a yellow bear with a rednecker chief, and 300 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: he was on a field of red, orange and green. 301 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: I just made assumptions about the bear's gender. Apologies to 302 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: the bear. Yes for us, you can be whatever you 303 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: want to be, buddy. Yeah, yeah, I'm not here to 304 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: hold you back. There's also a Guinness record for the 305 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: largest gummy bear. This was achieved in twenty twenty three 306 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: by Netherlands based gummy manufacturing equipment manufacturer. Okay, not an 307 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: actual producer of gummy bears, but producer of the gummy 308 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: manufacturing equipment. All right. The bear in question was eight 309 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: feet tall by six and a half feet wide and 310 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: three feet deep. All right, that's two and a half 311 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: by two by one meters. It weighed three eight hundred 312 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 2: and ten pounds, which is one thousand, seven hundred and 313 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: twenty eight kilos, and that is horrifying. This is a 314 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: coffin sized gummy bear. I don't I don't know why. 315 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: Coffin sized is where my brain immediately went. 316 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: Again, if you somehow got stuck in their final destination rules, 317 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: yeah that's scary. 318 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, agreed, like I mean like, and I've 319 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: lost a hand to a gelatinous cube before, you know, 320 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: like this kind of stuff happens. Oh true. Anyway, anyway, 321 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: this was their second attempt at creating the bear. The 322 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: first one did not set up properly. They weren't even 323 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: sure about this one. They were like, well, we're going 324 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: to give it another go. Uh yeah. But but it 325 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 2: did indeed set up correctly after nine days of curing. 326 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: It was like opaque orange in color and orange in flavor. 327 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: From a press release, it didn't sound like they immediately 328 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: had a plan for how to serve it to people, 329 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: which is part of the requirement for the record, like 330 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: it has to be consumed. You can't just make it, 331 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: so I don't know. I hope that that turned out 332 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: well for them. 333 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Me too, even though I'm still a little horrified by 334 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I hope that it came to fruition. 335 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm not usually with you on like, especially large things 336 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 2: being necessarily ominous, but this one was just very ominous 337 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: to me. 338 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: A big eight foot gum bear. Yeah, no, no thanks. 339 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: I will say that that it that this this bear 340 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: beat out a dolphin shaped gummy by weight that had 341 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: been produced by a candy manufacturer in Iran in twenty 342 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: twenty two. The dolphin was longer, but the bear was 343 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: more massive. Makes sense, Yeah, yeah, it does, and one 344 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: more for you. As of the year twenty twenty three, 345 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: aforementioned major brand, Harbo, was producing over one two hundred 346 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: different types of gummy candies for markets around the world, 347 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: including over one hundred million gummy bears every day. 348 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: My goodness me, Well, you know they are popular. I'm 349 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: the odd one out here. 350 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: I can see. That's all right, And that's okay, that's 351 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: okay to admit. 352 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I'm happy for people, right, I don't want 353 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: to take it away from anybody. 354 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and more for them, you know, more for them. 355 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: And we do have we have quite a history for 356 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: you about this, We do. 357 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we are going to get into it as 358 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: soon as we get back from a quick break for 359 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: a word from. 360 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: Our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay. 361 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: So I know I start pretty much every history section 362 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: this way, but it is almost always true. Tracing the 363 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: history of gummy candy is tricky, and people disagree on 364 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: what qualifies as an ancestor. Sure, some historians argue that 365 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: The early predecessors of gummy candies are actually jellies or jams, 366 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: which were pretty good ways to preserve fruit. Ancient Egyptians 367 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: and Romans may have made basic versions of the candies 368 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: themselves with honey and fruit juices. Centuries ago, Japanese rice candies, 369 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: which were these treats that were made with brown rice 370 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: salt syrup, popularized the idea of a portable jelly and 371 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: a sort of fruit jam and a more solid, transportable form, 372 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: So that was also a stepping stone, I would say. 373 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Pete de fruit, which is a type of 374 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: fruit gel along the lines of like a concentrated jelly 375 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: or jam, developed through like the Middle Ages around France fish. 376 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: Yes, and again you can see your episode. But with 377 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: the popularization and spread of the Turkish delight in the 378 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: eighteenth century, and that being a gummy, sugary, starchy sweet 379 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: often flavored with a variety of things like rose water, 380 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: that made its way along trade roots, and that also 381 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: spread the idea of these gummy candies. 382 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And these predecessors relied on different gelling agents, 383 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: you know, like anything based on fruit was probably getting 384 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: a boost from naturally occurring pectin those rice candies were 385 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: made with glutinous rice, so the starch in that helped 386 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 2: set up the texture. Locum or Turkish Delight originally contained 387 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: wheat flour. Cornstarch came along in like the mid eighteen 388 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: hundreds or so, but all of these starches have like 389 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 2: relatively soft sets. 390 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And then Peter Cooper often gets credit with 391 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: patenting the production of powdered gelatin in eighteen forty five, 392 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: which was a real boon for gummy candy production. It 393 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: allowed for structure that was harder to achieve previously. So 394 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: now we're going to get into kind of a hodgepodge 395 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: of some of the big. 396 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: Names names and products. 397 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, starting with Jellybillies, although they have an interesting 398 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: roller coaster of how they got to that name. Historians 399 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: believe that an Austrian confectioner based in England is to 400 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: thank for jelly babies. The story goes that in eighteen 401 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: sixty four, the confectioner attempted to make bear shaped gummies 402 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: using a mold, but the resulting treats came out looking 403 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: more like babies. Okay, and of all the names the 404 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: company he worked for could have picked for this product, 405 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: they ran with Unclaimed bab Apparently at the time this 406 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: is a name that would have amused some people by 407 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: the Yeah, I guess it was a part of their life, 408 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: so it didn't seem shocking. By the eighteen eighties there 409 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: were ads for jelly babies in England. The name Unclaimed 410 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: Babies had all but faded away by the nineteen twenties, 411 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: and when World War One ended they were rebranded as 412 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: Peace Babies, but post World War Two rationing they were 413 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: relaunched as jelly Babies. And honestly there was some company 414 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: confusion in this whole thing, but from what I understand, 415 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: they are the same product. Okay, they just went through 416 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: a lot of names and perhaps a lot of like 417 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: leadership during the Tom Baker era of Doctor Who the 418 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: Doctor was a big fan of jelly babies. 419 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: Yep, that is mostly how I know what those are me. 420 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: Too, so that's why I thought should include that. Yeah. 421 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: A British candy maker named Charles Gordon Maynard released a 422 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: line of wine gums in nineteen oh nine. At the time, 423 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: they were one of the first commercially available candies to 424 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: incorporate gelatine. Of note, they didn't actually involve wine just 425 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: sweet fruity flavors. Yeah yeah, And they came in a 426 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: variety of basic shapes and still do and still do. 427 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: Sometime in the nineteen thirties, the Cola gummy debuted in 428 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: the US. You know, those Coca Cola flavored bottled shaped gummies. 429 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. 430 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: Stepping back a bit, in nineteen twenty Hans Reigel Senior, 431 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: a German purveyor of sweets, started his own venture called Haribo. 432 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: The name was a combination of his own names and 433 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: the town he was from, Bond, Germany. It was a basic, 434 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: small operation in the early day, him working out of 435 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: his kitchen with basic equipment like a stove and a kettle. 436 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: Eventually he hired his first employee, his wife, who primarily 437 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: delivered his sweetes via bicycle. In the beginning. At first, 438 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: Rigel specialized in hard candies, but as time passed he 439 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: started experimenting with gummy candies, something that others in his 440 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: field had already been doing. This led to the creation 441 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: of the dancing Bear gummy candy in nineteen twenty two. 442 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: The shape, which was bigger and slimmer than we are 443 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: accustomed to with modern gummy bears, was inspired by actual 444 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: dancing bears featured at festivals in Europe from the past, 445 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: and this practice was, to say, to say the least, 446 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: pretty abusive to bears. It involved taking bear cubs and 447 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: training them to dance under threat of pain. But that's 448 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: where the inspiration came from. Reigel's sons fought for the 449 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: German side in World War Two, and Regel himself died 450 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five. His wife, Gertrude took over the 451 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: business once her sons were released from being prisoners of war. 452 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: They took charge and they really grew the whole thing 453 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: pretty rapidly, especially in the aftermath of the war. Their 454 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: number of employees grew from about thirty right after the 455 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: war's end to about one thousand by nineteen fifty. They 456 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: were also one of the first companies to run ads 457 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: on television in Germany, and these ads helped popularize Golden Bears, 458 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: as they were called by then, and they slowly spread 459 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: across Europe, even across the Berlin Wall into East Germany. Yes, 460 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: and Harribo rebranded their dancing bears as gold Bears in 461 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. 462 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so bear abuse and Nazis in the fun 463 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: gummy candy episode. Here we are yeah. 464 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: Ooh, you never know where it will go. 465 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, over in Sweden a candy company called Malacco Malacco, 466 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how to say it right in and 467 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: let us know. They had gotten their start making licorice 468 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: candies in the nineteen thirties and sometime in the nineteen 469 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: fifties decided to develop a gummy type product, and they 470 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: came up with what's called over there pastel fish, a 471 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: cornstarch based fish shaped gummy in a number of colors 472 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: and flavors. It hit the American market in nineteen fifty 473 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: seven as Swedish Fish, and I need y'all to know 474 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: that the official website for Swedish Fish has a huge 475 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: banner running along the bottom that says the number one 476 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 2: fish shaped candy in all caps, just running constantly by 477 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 2: you and I find that important extremely charming. 478 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: Shout your winds to the evans right. 479 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: Find what you specialize in and celebrate yes uh. In 480 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, the first Japanese company entered the gummy game. 481 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: The large food and pharma company Meiji, released their Cola 482 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: Up gummies. That year, their popular Juicy Gummy line of 483 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: fruit flavored soft gummies debuted in nineteen eighty eight. 484 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty one, Herman Golditz Candy Company became the 485 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: first to produce gummy bears in the United States. The 486 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: company later adopted the name jelly Belly. They'd already been 487 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: producing jelly beans, but they wanted to have a product 488 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: to compete with golden bears. Aw mm hmm. Around the 489 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: same time, the German company Trolley released gummy worms, then 490 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: called gummy Squiggles. Gummy Squiggles. 491 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you guys, Gummy war are only from nineteen 492 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 2: eighty one. 493 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: I know, and I'm pretty sure this is when peach 494 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: rings are from. I couldn't find definitive proof. 495 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: Gummy worms are only from nineteen eighty one. 496 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: We got a lot of gummy innovation in the eighties. 497 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: I actually we Oh my goodness, we did. Uh huh, yep, 498 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: We're about to go through it all right. Yes. 499 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't until nineteen eighty two that Harribo made it 500 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: to the US, and at this point, yes, there was 501 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: this competition. However, Harribo was determined pushing their products in 502 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: grocery stores and other businesses, and they really did take off, 503 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: to the point that Disney aired an animated television show 504 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: called The Adventures of the Gummy Bears from nineteen eighty 505 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: five to nineteen ninety one, and people really do credit 506 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: the shape as a large part of their staying power, 507 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: which makes sense to me. 508 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if y'all missed The Adventures of the Gum Bears, this, 509 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: like the theme song from it, is one of the 510 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: things that just lives in my head for no good reason. 511 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: For absolutely, we can't get rid of it. It's just. 512 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: It's nope, take it up space. 513 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: That's where it stays. 514 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: I don't know my own phone number sometimes, but that's 515 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 2: in there. 516 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to hear you sing it later. 517 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: I'll be very frilled. 518 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: Cool. Another American competitor, Alminisee. 519 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: I didn't. 520 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: I didn't look that one up at all. I'm sorry. 521 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm mangling a number of proper nouns 522 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 2: in this episode. They got into gummies in the nineteen nineties. 523 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 2: Shout out to listener Sparkling Blue for bringing a whole 524 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: bunch of those into the office back in the day. Yes, 525 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 2: very tasty. I had never had them before. Delightful. In 526 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: the mid eighties, gummy style fruit snacks debuted in the 527 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: United States and fruit snacks is a different episode really, 528 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: but like I wanted to mention them here because fruit 529 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 2: snacks really are just gummy candies, usually cornstarch based gummies 530 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 2: that are marketed as like a healthy snack for kids. 531 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: I mean, they do involve a certain amount of like 532 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: fruit and or juice or are often fortified with vitamin C. 533 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: They'll give you a burst of energy, I guess I 534 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: you know, calories. Anyway, the earliest example of these I 535 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: could find are General Mills Fruit Wrinkles. 536 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: Fruit wrinkles fruit. 537 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: Wrinkles, which is just the best name for something that you 538 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 2: want humans to consume. I'm a paul they I think 539 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 2: they were meant to look like like like raisins a 540 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: little bit. Anyway. They came out in nineteen eighty six 541 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: on the heels of General Mills having introduced fruit roll 542 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: ups a few years prior. Uh Anyway, Shark Bites Forever, 543 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: best fruit snack, best fruit snack. 544 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: Where do you think Gushers falls into all this? 545 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,479 Speaker 2: Counted as they're Canada, they're counted as a fruit snack, 546 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: I think, okay, yeah, okay. 547 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: That yeah, that will have to be a separate episode 548 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: because I have more. Oh. 549 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 2: Oh, I've been wanting to do a dedicated Gusher's episode. Yes, I, 550 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: and I will say that during my reading for this episode, 551 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 2: I've found an incredibly cursed sentence if you follow if 552 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 2: you follow me on Blue Sky, you've already read it. Perhaps, 553 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 2: but okay, here we are. Gushers recently dropped a limited 554 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 2: edition designer sneaker, available exclusively in the metaverse. 555 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: Ooh, yeah, that's that. Feels like we're in a Blackbinger episode. 556 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: For sure. It's not good. 557 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: Oh, I cannot wait for that Gusher's episode. But speaking 558 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: of innovation and vitamins in gummies, gummy type nutritional supplements 559 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 2: first appeared in the mid nineteen nineties. A couple different 560 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 2: companies around the world claimed to be the first right around, 561 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 2: like ninety six ninety seven. I found one in the 562 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 2: US and one in Germany. I didn't like dig into 563 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 2: the patents to call them on it today, so yeah. 564 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: TROLYUS released a line of roadkill themed gummies in two 565 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: thousand and four. They were not well received at all, 566 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: and they were discontinued the following year after many complaints, 567 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: including one by the New Jersey Society for the Prevention 568 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: of cruelty to animals if you haven't seen them. It's 569 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: like a snake kind of flattened out in the middle. Yeah. 570 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, it's like kind of like a cute sea 571 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 2: little tire track. Yeah, kind of over over. Sure I 572 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 2: understand how that's offensive. I'm not totally sure about, like 573 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 2: how we have come to a divide in like eating 574 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 2: a representation of a worm or a bear or or 575 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 2: a living snake is fine, but the roadkill one is 576 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 2: line too far? 577 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: Okay, line too far. And the the backtracking that the 578 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: like marketing did hilarious to me because they were like, 579 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: clearly this was a bad idea, we shouldn't have done it, Like, well, 580 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: who are you throwing under the bus here because it 581 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: got approved? 582 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you created a whole manufacturing line devoted to it. 583 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 3: So anyway, clearly a lot about it. 584 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: Horribo opened their first plant in the United States just 585 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. It's at in Wisconsin. This was 586 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: a like a like a three hundred million dollar investment, 587 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: and so like, clearly the company thinks that gummy candy 588 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: is not going anywhere. And then I wanted to end 589 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: on kind of a fun science note, Okay, so as 590 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: of the twenty twenties, this team of researchers has been 591 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 2: developing a way to teach kids with vision impairment about 592 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 2: molecular structure through gummy candy. All right, So they mold 593 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 2: the shape of molecules in gummy and people can use 594 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 2: their mouths to explore how the shape works, all right, 595 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 2: And like in studies, participants were just as good, if 596 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 2: not better, remembering structures that they learned with their mouths. 597 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 2: Then they were at structures that they learned by touch 598 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 2: with their hands, and in both cases they were only 599 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 2: very slightly less adept at this task than cited participants 600 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 2: who were using a visual So that's wild and cool, 601 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: very cool. They also did use some like three D 602 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: printed non edible silicone models as well, which are cool 603 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 2: because they're like washable and reusable and they've got a 604 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 2: threat attached so that you don't swallow them. If you 605 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 2: were immediately worried about that, don't worry. But yeah, all 606 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 2: of this is so just so awesome because like traditionally, 607 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 2: people with impaired vision have been really discouraged from learning chemistry, 608 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 2: partially because our typical learning materials are so visual and 609 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: hand sized tactile models are just too big and expensive 610 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: when you're talking about needing like a whole chemistry textbook 611 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,800 Speaker 2: worth of them, right. 612 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool. I love it when we get 613 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: these science notes at the end, never expecting them. 614 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 2: People get up, people get up to just awesome things. 615 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 2: So cool, they really do. 616 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: And a lot of them are food related because a 617 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: lot of people are passionate about food. I will say 618 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: as we end this one, I would love for listeners 619 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: to write in from other countries because there were so 620 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: many gummy candies from like Australia had a few. There 621 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: were a lot of countries where I couldn't find enough 622 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: to really say other than oh they exist. Yeah, I 623 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: know that they're like iconic and popular. 624 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. If you have a favorite company, if you 625 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 2: have a favorite specific shape or flavor, or yeah, any 626 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 2: of that. If you have a memory of a discontinued 627 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 2: the gummy you have lost along the way, Oh my goodness. 628 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 2: We want to hear about all of it. 629 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: We really do, really do. But I think that's what 630 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: we have to say about gummy candies for now. 631 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 2: I believe it is. We do already have some listener 632 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 2: mail for you, though, and we are going to get 633 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 2: into that as soon as we get back from one 634 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 2: more quick break for a word from our sponsors. 635 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, and 636 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: we're back with gummy tummy whatever that is. So today 637 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: we have two messages about slogan. Actually a lot of 638 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: people have written in about slogan. Oh ya, yes, so 639 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: please keep those coming in. Bob wrote, your slow Gin 640 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: episode reminded me of one of my best experiences with slogin. 641 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: We cut a hole on the end of a watermelon 642 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: and inserted a bottle of slogin so it infused the watermelon. 643 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: Best watermelon ever. We were at a county fair and 644 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: fed the rides to the chickens. The roosters croved all night. 645 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: God not those roosters drunk, says a part as they 646 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: say in Australia. 647 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 2: Oh that sounds so delicious though, Oh my goodness. 648 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: It does. And I actually have a couple of related 649 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 1: thoughts based on our episode before we get into those. 650 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: I have done this with a bottle of vodka. You 651 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: have to be careful because of the distribution, Oh sure, 652 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: because we didn't move the watermelon around all so like 653 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,000 Speaker 1: right underneath where the bottle was it was like playing 654 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: Russian Roulette with every piece of amazing. Yes, you didn't 655 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: know for sure, but also we didn't really go into it. 656 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't think there was really a reason for us 657 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 1: to go into it in this episode. But I have 658 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: a good friend who went through a period where she 659 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: was infusing gummy bears with alcohol. Oh okay, okay, and 660 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: so we would have these alcoholic gummy bears. So she 661 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: made like a home solo yellow gummy bear and carbonite 662 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: molds and it had alcohol in it. And we didn't 663 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,919 Speaker 1: talk about jellow shots. But yeah, you can infuse alcohols 664 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: into many types of gummies. 665 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, all right, Yeah, I mean I guess that 666 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 2: my brain just went, like my brain just did like 667 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 2: a molecular model thing of trying to figure out exactly 668 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 2: how that work. That. I guess I need someone to 669 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 2: print me a gummy molecule. 670 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: This it fairly illustrates. Yeah, how your mind works and 671 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: who you are. It's fantastic. I'm just like my good 672 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: friend one time made me some alcoholic coming bars and 673 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: you're like, what's the molecular structure we need to dig 674 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: into this? Ah? Cool? Cool though? 675 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Bart wrote your self appointed and utterly unofficial 676 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 2: Irish correspondent Bart here from the heart of Slow Country. 677 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 2: Your timing on the Slojin episode just could not be better, 678 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 2: because slows are very much on my mind at the moment, 679 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 2: because they are in full bloom at the moment. Two 680 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 2: weeks ago, there wasn't a slow flower to be found 681 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 2: here in County Kildare my pronunciations, I think anyway, it's 682 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 2: fine and east of Ireland. Then a week ago they 683 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 2: just exploded into bloom. I chose that word carefully because 684 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 2: they don't just flower. They splowed into flower. Each individual 685 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 2: flower is only about a quarter of an inch across 686 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 2: at most, but they flower so densely it looks like 687 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 2: their branches are covered in snow. The illusion is helped 688 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 2: by the fact that the leaves don't appear until the 689 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 2: flowers have started to die back, so you really do 690 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 2: have a dark barked shrub covered in white, without a 691 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 2: single other color to be seen. Here's a close up 692 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 2: of one of these beautiful little blooms I shot about 693 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 2: a week ago, a few hundred yards from my front door. 694 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 2: Illustration attached. We'll get to it later. Each spring I 695 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 2: post at least a few shots of slow blossoms to 696 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 2: social media, and each year I blow a few more 697 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 2: people's minds. So many people who enjoy slow gin have 698 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 2: no idea what a slow is, and it seems to 699 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,520 Speaker 2: surprise them to no end that they are tart, little 700 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 2: wannabee plums that start off as teeny, little beautiful white flowers. 701 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,399 Speaker 2: I'm not actually a fan of gin, so I've never 702 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 2: actually had slow gin. But as a kid, I loved 703 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 2: the homemade scones with homemade slow gem some of the 704 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 2: neighborhood Irish bummies would serve us each autumn. Sadly I 705 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 2: haven't had it in years. It seems no one is 706 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 2: producing slow jam commercially around here. I always hope to 707 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 2: find some at a farmer's market or something, but no 708 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 2: joy yet. Fingers crossed. Finally, you mentioned their use as 709 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 2: a hedging plant and hinted at their thorns being really 710 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 2: quite something. Those are indeed both true facts, and they 711 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 2: are also very much related. Cows have bloody tough skins. 712 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,919 Speaker 2: In fact, they are literally raw leather, so it takes 713 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 2: a serious thorn to stop a cow from barging through 714 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 2: a hedgerow. Blackthorn branches are so densely packed, and those 715 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 2: thorns so sharp and strong that even a cow hasn't 716 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 2: got a chance. As kids, we too were masters of 717 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 2: finding gaps and hedgerows, and since we were a lot 718 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 2: smaller than cows, our success rate was a lot higher. 719 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 2: But even us kids didn't stand a chance against a 720 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 2: blackthorn hedge. I don't remember exactly when I learned to 721 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 2: steer clear of them, but it was very early in 722 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 2: my childhood, and get the impression it was one of 723 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 2: those lessons I didn't need to learn twice. One last 724 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,560 Speaker 2: anecdote to illustrate the strength of those thorns. I cycle 725 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 2: a lot in Ireland, and when we cut our hedges, 726 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 2: we just cover our roads and thorns of all kinds, brambles, hawthorns, 727 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 2: and of course blackthorns. After many years of punctures, I 728 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 2: switched to kevlar reinforced tires and they take most of 729 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 2: the thorns on the road in their stride, most, but 730 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 2: not all, those blackthorns. Bloody blackthorns still manage to punch 731 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 2: their way through that kevlar layer. That stuff stops bullets, 732 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:41,320 Speaker 2: but it's no match for big, mature blackthorn. Finally, finally, 733 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 2: here's my most recent shot of some slowberries with their 734 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 2: distinctive silvery dusting, shot last August, and yet to return 735 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 2: to this photo of this little of this little slow flower. Yeah, 736 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,920 Speaker 2: it is just the prettiest little five pedaled white flower 737 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 2: with Oh I'm forgetting all of my flower terms right now, 738 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 2: you know, like like just just little little little woobly 739 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 2: yellow pallen bits coming up out of the center in 740 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 2: this really pretty little spray. And uh, like a like 741 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,040 Speaker 2: a little like a little all white soakura blossom, sure 742 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 2: or or something along those lines, because plum blossoms and 743 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 2: soakura and yeah, these are all related plants. Oh gosh, 744 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 2: that's pretty. 745 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much for writing it about this. I, 746 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: as I said, did not know anything about slow me 747 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: neither not know it was a berry or whatever. It 748 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: is a droop, always tricking me with the droops. 749 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:49,879 Speaker 2: Uh. 750 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: And it is beautiful. The flower is really beautiful. The 751 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: berries are beautiful. And I have to say, I love 752 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: I just wouldn't mess with these these black thorn if 753 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: a cow can't get through, if it's taking on kevlar. 754 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I can see why it was used in hedgerows. 755 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Yeah, that is a 756 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 2: very serious that is that that's that's a very serious thorn. Yeah, 757 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,279 Speaker 2: I would I would respect that natural fencing as well. 758 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And it looks so pretty right. Every slow 759 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: has its thorn a missed title opportunity. 760 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. Oh my goodness. 761 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,680 Speaker 1: But it looks lovely. 762 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 2: It does, it does, And I now I I love 763 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 2: whenever I get craving for something I've never had before. 764 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,479 Speaker 2: And I really want to try some slow jam as well, 765 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 2: which I'm also realizing is an excellent pun. 766 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, slow jam. 767 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 2: My brain went to ToeJam as in like ToeJam and 768 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 2: er all. But but you had a good pun instinct, 769 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 2: thank you. 770 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know we're firing on all pun cylinders 771 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 3: right now. Yes, yes, yes, well, thank you to both 772 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 3: of these listeners for writing it. If you would like 773 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,719 Speaker 3: to write to us, you can Our email is hello 774 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 3: at savorpod dot com. 775 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. You can find us on 776 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 2: Blue Sky and Instagram at saber pod, and we do 777 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 2: hope to hear from you. Savor is production of iHeartRadio. 778 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, you can visit 779 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to 780 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 2: your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our super producers 781 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 2: Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard. 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