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Speaker 1: Spoiler warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers and a full recap.

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Speaker 1: Of a movie that came out in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: So if you have not seen the delightful A Goofy Movie,

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Speaker 2: either listen to our recap and then check it out

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Speaker 2: and know you'll be spoiled, or go watch your on

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Speaker 2: Disney Plus right now.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hello, my name's Rosie Knight, Angela mo Week.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back. That's your Vision, the podcast where we dive

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Speaker 4: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture.

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Speaker 4: We're here at iHeart Podcast, where we bring me three

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Speaker 4: episodes a week plus news on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, it is a celebration of the thirtieth

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Speaker 2: anniversary of A Goofy Movie. We are going to be

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Speaker 2: rewatching the iconic Disney musical animated movie with our beloved

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Speaker 2: friend Danny Fernandez to celebrate thirty years of being a

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Speaker 2: goof We are also gonna be talking about the music.

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Speaker 2: How does the set list play into our expectations of

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Speaker 2: a Disney movie and how does it subvert them?

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Speaker 1: And also how did this.

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Speaker 2: Movie get made, why did it get buried? And why

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Speaker 2: is it rotten on Rotten Tomatoes? Somebody go and write

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Speaker 2: a new review. Get that score up, and remember, guys,

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Speaker 2: if you want to think about superheroes, read Thunderbolt's Number one,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. You can read it in an omnibus,

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Speaker 2: you can read this single issue, you can read it

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Speaker 2: on Marvel Unlimited.

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Speaker 1: The conversation is already going in our discord.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be shocked, you're going to be surprised,

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Speaker 2: and then you can send us questions at official XARV

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Speaker 2: Pod at gmail dot com that we will answer for

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Speaker 2: you on our next book club.

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Speaker 4: Now, let's pick up Danny Fernandez as we hit the

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Speaker 4: open road and reminists about our second Disney crush after

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Speaker 4: him talking about Mags. Oh my gosh. Okay, so wait

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Speaker 4: before we dive into our recap, which I'm so excited

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Speaker 4: to recap this movie with you, guys, can you just

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Speaker 4: very briefly tell me about your earliest memory of this movie,

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Speaker 4: because I wonder if we all have different core memories.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but you were saying our second Disney crush. You

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's very queer in here, and we also have

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Speaker 4: and we love her.

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Speaker 1: She is very beautiful.

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Speaker 4: like that's where I first discovered it. I didn't realize

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Speaker 4: until I was researching for this episode that a goof that,

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Speaker 4: the goof Troop TV show came out before the movie.

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Speaker 4: I really thought the movie was an introduction to the show,

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Speaker 4: which tells you how like warped my perception of time

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Speaker 4: I was like, these were two iconic films in our childhood. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Definitely a very underrated slash forgotten comic book movie. Absolutely

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Speaker 4: one of the best opening scenes of a Disney movie ever, Max,

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Speaker 2: I feel like, look, is Max gonna solve it in

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Speaker 1: My god, I really just love this movie.

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Speaker 2: Nick talks a lot about when he went to see

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Speaker 2: But if you don't, then you're like Max, bro, your

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Speaker 2: Like he was not He was dressed like like an

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. Okay, so Goody panics his boss slash

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Speaker 5: Wait, tall blonde girl has a name and it's Lisa.

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry Lisa in disrespect.

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Speaker 2: I please do not disrespect this sexy goof this nineties icon.

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Speaker 5: I was telling you for El Capy Tan's anniversary twenty

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Speaker 4: He balances the can on the cigarette lighter, which children,

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Speaker 4: moments that previously would have been mortifying to Max. But

434
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 4: now he's living in the moment. He's having fun with

435
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 4: his dad. And finally Max chooses an underwater themed hotel

436
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 4: called Neptunes. Pete shows up and instantly begins to sow

437
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 4: seeds of descent, suggesting Max it's tricking Goofy with the

438
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 4: buddy buddy act. Is Pete the number one hater?

439
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 1: He is the number one hay.

440
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,199
Speaker 2: Also, like, this is a really interesting moment for me

441
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: when I rewatched the movie because it's a great thing

442
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 2: of like, if they had compromised first and planned the

443
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 2: trip together rather than Goofy just deciding what Max.

444
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: Should do, they could have had a great time. Max

445
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: might have been more open to it, and you get

446
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 1: to learn that hit.

447
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, Pete is the number one hay and number

448
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: one villain of the movie.

449
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Speaker 5: I have just say this in drama, this motel is

450
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 5: so iconic, it's like giving like it's the perfect road

451
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 5: trip hotel. They have the waterbed. This is also by

452
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 5: the way the most iconic pizza slice scene this is

453
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Speaker 5: when people talk about a Goofy movie pizza, the cheesy cheese.

454
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 4: Like dripping off, so beautiful. And also we've all tripped

455
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: together before, and not with drugs, but let we've gone

456
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: on trips together, and we really love the idea that

457
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 4: apparently we'll make it happen done.

458
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Speaker 1: But we have vacation together.

459
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 4: We have vacation together, and I think the let's stay

460
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: in and eat a pizza night is like one of

461
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 4: my favorites.

462
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: You always do on the best nights.

463
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: Well we're on holiday, like what food can we get

464
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 2: and just stay in?

465
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Speaker 1: And also I love like a themed motel.

466
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Speaker 2: I always want to go and say, you know, in

467
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Speaker 2: a place like that. So I think they really sum

468
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: it up in a lovely way. And again very in

469
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: Goofy's Wheelhouse of Interest, so very sweet by Max.

470
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they both get a kick out of it. And

471
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 4: it's really the first time, like through that montage and

472
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 4: then into this hotels the first time you start to

473
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 4: see them having fun and a green things and it's

474
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 4: so beautiful. So later Pete overhears Max tell PJ he

475
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 4: changed the map. Pete can't wait to tell Goofy because

476
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: he is, in fact the number one hater how bad

477
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: his son is.

478
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Speaker 2: Ha.

479
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 4: But Goofy is a great father. He's a great father.

480
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: And he says, I believe my son. So he tells

481
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 4: Pete Off. He says, my son loves me. But Pete answer,

482
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: he says, my son respects me. And here you have

483
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 4: the dichotomy of these two fathers and how they're raising

484
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Speaker 4: their children, who both happen to be good people, which

485
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: raises a lot of questions we can get into later.

486
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 4: So Goofy sees the map in the car. He doesn't

487
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 4: want to. He's like, I'm not gonna look at it.

488
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fine. But he pulls the same move

489
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Speaker 4: Max does, which Max kicks the car out of frustration.

490
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 4: Goofy hits the steering a lot of frustration, and both

491
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 4: times the car said do you want to see the map?

492
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 4: And so he does. He peeps it and he comes

493
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Speaker 4: back to the hotel room and he's so dejected, but

494
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm just gonna go to sleep and we'll

495
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 4: try again in the morning. In the morning, they're in

496
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 4: the car, but he hasn't quite let it go. Goofy's

497
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 4: still pissed, and he tells Max, listen, you get to

498
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 4: choose the next turn. And he's trying. He's trying so

499
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 4: hard to believe. He's like, I believe that my son

500
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 4: is good cheese. But Max really wants to go to

501
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 4: La and go to that power Line concert, so he

502
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 4: takes him to La, and Goofy's so frustrated he has

503
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 4: to get out of the car. Like Max is trying

504
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 4: to engage him. He's like, Dad, let's play a game.

505
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 4: Let's do all these things that you know. When the

506
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: trip started, Goofy was trying to get Max do now.

507
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: Max trying to get Goofy to do but Max steps out.

508
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 4: Goofy steps out of the car. He's pissed, he's upset, frustrated.

509
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: Once again, Max kicks the car, but Goofy didn't lock

510
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: the steerion break because he's Goofy, And now the car

511
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: is rolling down the mountain. Do you chase the car?

512
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 4: And began to pick over who was responsible for the

513
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: ruined vacation. Max never wanted to be here. Goofy thinks

514
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 4: it's not fair that Max didn't give it a chance,

515
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: and they both end up in the river. Maxiclaars he

516
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 4: has his own life now, and in the most heartbreaking

517
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: scene in Disney history possibly, Goofy says, I know, I

518
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 4: just want to be a part of your life here,

519
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: my son, Max, and no matter how big you get,

520
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 4: you'll always be my son nobody else. Is the final

521
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: duet between our heroes and the lyrics. They harmonize for

522
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 4: the first time and sing the same lyrics. They're finally

523
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: finally on the same page. They're different, and they don't

524
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 4: understand each other one hundred percent, but they choose to

525
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: love one another to spite of and because of their differences.

526
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: Goofy kisses Max, and this time he accepts it. Max

527
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 4: sell's Goofy about Roxanne. As they float down the river,

528
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: Goofy decides is going to get Max on that power

529
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 4: line stage because he is the best father, but first.

530
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: Is a great dad.

531
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Speaker 4: They have to survive a joy enormous waterfall. Goofy casts

532
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 4: the perfect line connected to Max, who's been suspended in

533
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 4: the air by a tarp turned parachute. Again. In this way,

534
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 4: Max sort of becomes Goofy, accidentally falling into a safety net.

535
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: The pole snaps, though Max trying to hold on to

536
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 4: his dad, but the pole snaps, Goofy falls. You think

537
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: he's plumbing to his death, but oh no, Max has

538
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 4: internalized the perfect cast, and he uses half the pole

539
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 4: to do the perfect cast, he says his father. They

540
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: sneak into the power Line concert in instrument cases in

541
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: a very classic beautiful scene. They get to the stage

542
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 4: and we get to the best song of the film.

543
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 4: Oh it's eye to eye guys. We are in it

544
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: whoo and we can get these beautiful lyrics. Maybe we'll

545
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: discover that what we should have known all along, if

546
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: we listen to each other's hearts, we'll find we've never

547
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: too far apart. And maybe love is the reason why,

548
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 4: for the first time ever, we're seeing things eye to eye. Guys.

549
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed to say that. Tip me until I was

550
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: like late in high school to be like, oh this

551
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: song is about them. I just thought it was a

552
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 4: great pop song. They threw one at the end. It's like, oh,

553
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: this is really wrapping up the whole movie. What a

554
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: nice bo So Goofy ends up on stage his power

555
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: line the perfect Cast dance. Max joins him. He gets

556
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: to wave to Roxane Pete has to eat his words.

557
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: The school party is a hit. Now they're back home,

558
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 4: Goofy drops Max off to tell Roxan the truth because

559
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: again he is a what good father? He says, Hey,

560
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: even though you got away with it, you should probably

561
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: tell her the truth because if she can't forgive you

562
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 4: for this lie, she not the one for you. So

563
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 4: he comes clean. Rock Sanne does forgive him. She asked him,

564
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 4: but Max says, I need to day because I got

565
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 4: plans with my dad because they love each other. And

566
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 4: they listen and it's so good. He seems to deal

567
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 4: with the kiss. Goofy is still a goof and somehow

568
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: ends up crashing through the roof after attempting to fix

569
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 4: the car. But now Max is proud to introduce his

570
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 4: father to his girlfriend, and.

571
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: That's as he did also do the.

572
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 4: I think so importantly she and it's like, oh, all

573
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: these things I was in shamed and bears abelt, I

574
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: was actually also kind of like attracted to in another

575
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 4: person all these great I think if you have good parents,

576
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: sometimes you find yourself looking for the good qualities that

577
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 4: they had and other people and I think it's just

578
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: so beautiful. That's like, oh that was also there all along. Okay,

579
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: we're gonna go to an Abrek and when we come back,

580
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: we're talking a little bit more about the music and

581
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 4: about these wild reviews that said this movie wasn't good?

582
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: What was wrong with some of our favorite.

583
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Speaker 1: Reviewers tits.

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Speaker 4: And we are Okay. April seventhineteen ninety five, this movie

585
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 4: comes out. It's directed by Kevin Lima. He will go

586
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 4: on to make Tarzan and Enchanted. Thank you for your

587
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: contributions to culture, Kevin Lima, We love you for them.

588
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 4: He also worked on Babas Kids Like iconic animated film

589
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: Okay iconic So, as I said before the movie was conceived,

590
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: after the success of goof Troop, they were like, well,

591
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: age him up. It was inspired by Jeffrey Kattenberg's road

592
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: trip with his estranged daughter that brought them closer together. Allegedly,

593
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: Kazinberg did have some weird choices though. He wanted to

594
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 4: make Goofy have a regular voice, and he thought about

595
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: replacing Bill with Billy Crystal, I think, or somebody who

596
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: was equally not right for this rule, but Michael, I

597
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: just want.

598
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 5: To say, Goofy, Goofy, those old goofy things that you

599
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 5: were alluding to. He does have a regular voice and

600
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 5: those there are a lot of like entertainment. Yes, so

601
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 5: it was like at the DMV or whatever, like those

602
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 5: old from like decades ago. He has a normal voice

603
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: in those, so that might have been.

604
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Speaker 4: As a fan of both. Did you feel like he

605
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: should have Do you think you would have agreed? No,

606
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: you're absolutely not.

607
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 5: It should be Bill Farmer.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like, Bill Farmer's voice is so iconic,

609
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 2: he's still the voice of Goofy.

610
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, he still is.

611
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: We're gonna be having an interview with him. And also

612
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: we saw the Goofy movie.

613
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: At the New BEV.

614
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: He came and introduced it. Yea, his son, and it

615
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: was the first time they'd ever watched it together. He

616
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 2: did the voice.

617
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Speaker 1: So like the right choice was made because Bill is

618
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: still hit that he is, let still the voice of Goofy.

619
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Speaker 5: And I want to say, Goofy, this is I'm sorry,

620
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 5: I'm just like, no, get it. Goofy is the only one.

621
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Speaker 5: Goofy is the only one that we can of the

622
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: Disney characters that we can prove has had sex. Isn't

623
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 5: that crazy? Mickey doesn't have small children? Oh wow, Donald,

624
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 5: those are his nephews. Those are Don Nephie like the Core.

625
00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.

626
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 5: Pluto, we don't know. Pluto could actually have like one

627
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: hundred and one downmation, like Pluto could be out there.

628
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's just the dogs out here getting it okay.

629
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Speaker 2: So yeah, like Mickey Mouse, I would say, you know,

630
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty three, allegedly Walt Disney said that Mickey

631
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Speaker 2: and Minni were married, I would say, in the main

632
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: cannon they have.

633
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 5: That's his girlfriend, isn't it in the main canon?

634
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: I think now it is. Yeah, it was just back

635
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: in the day that they got married. But also I.

636
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: Would say in you know, in certain things like uh,

637
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Speaker 2: you know Mickey's Christmas Carol, he did bang in that.

638
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 5: That's because he's not playing Mickey though he's playing.

639
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 7: Saying, is is Bob Cratchit.

640
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: Playing Bob Cratchett?

641
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: So there we go, There we go.

642
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Speaker 5: This is why people bring me on. I have to

643
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: bring the Disney lore as a Disney character, I have

644
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 5: to have the Disney lore. Disney lare is He's the

645
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Speaker 5: only one of the core like four, I'm not talking

646
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Speaker 5: about the other like you know yeah yeah, yeah, like

647
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: Little Mermaid she has a daughter. I'm talking about like

648
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Speaker 5: these core characters. Goofy's the only one, so I wait,

649
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: got he's got game.

650
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: I need to know more about Goofy's hookup, who is

651
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: the baby, the sex lives of all of them, all

652
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: of the questions, there's a lot. Okay, So the film

653
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: was green lit by Jeffer Katzenberg, who said, but he

654
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: got fired in the middle of this. He had a

655
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: lot of issues with Eisner, and so Disney was sort

656
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: of like, I guess we have to release it. They

657
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: were we're just gonna release it in ninety four around

658
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: things Giving, but the Swan Princess and something else had

659
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: just come out, and then they also had like a

660
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: technical glitch, and so they were like, we're just gonna

661
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 4: hold it off until the summer next year. It wound

662
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: up making thirty seven point six million dollars at the

663
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: box office, which is not terrible. They did release the

664
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Speaker 4: same week as Brays. Yeah, you would be happy with that.

665
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it costs eighteen million to make, so you

666
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: more than major budget back. And that's before VHS release, which,

667
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: to be fair, was kind of new around the time.

668
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: We vhs and rentals were maybe five six, seven years in.

669
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Speaker 4: But like the home video thing, was still coming around

670
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: to its height, so that maybe they weren't counting on that.

671
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: But I think it did pretty good. And they did

672
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: release it the same week as Bad Boys the Will

673
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: Smith Juggernaut, so that was a challenge. Also fun fact,

674
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: Jory Lawrence played Chad crazy. I had no idea Chad's

675
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: the buff guy that's hitting on Lauren is our blonde girl. Yeah.

676
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 5: I was just like, I love those hits on Roxanne roxannetos.

677
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, iconic, iconic Chad character. Love having Joey Laurence. Okay,

678
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: let's get into these reviews. So they said this movie

679
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: is rotten on Rotten Tomatoes, which is nonsensical as I

680
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: think it's a very well crafted film. So Lewis Black

681
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: of The Austin Chronicle wrote, quote, the movie appears to

682
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: have forgotten that it is an adolescent angs drama about

683
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: his son's max ambivalent feelings about having Goofy as a dad.

684
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 4: The story is about a boy and a dad. It

685
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: is bland, a barely television length cartoon stretched out to

686
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: phil a feature and not much fun. What movie?

687
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: Hey three you watching, mister Black?

688
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 4: What happened? Why do you guys think that these reviewers

689
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 4: had such a different experience than how we've connected with

690
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 4: this film.

691
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 5: Also, sorry, my friend's kat is snoring so bad. I

692
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: don't know if you can hear him.

693
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: I currently, but if you can love a pet okay.

694
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Speaker 5: The reason why is I think a lot of the

695
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: reviewers are actually above our generation, which God blessed, but

696
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 5: it just they you know, they were gen X like,

697
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 5: especially if you look at the reviews that came out

698
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 5: at that time. If you're old enough to review, then

699
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 5: you're probably not a child. And so I think it

700
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 5: developed like a cult. Like we said, we had it

701
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 5: on VHS, which means like we were all so limited.

702
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 5: We didn't have streaming back then, which means the VHS

703
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: types you had you were watching again and again and again.

704
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 5: So you kind of developed this this love, you know.

705
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Speaker 2: And also there was an era around this time, the

706
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: eighties and nineties, where a movie could allegedly be a

707
00:33:52,480 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: failure right right true Romance, the Tarantino written Tony's Got

708
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: directed movie, which also.

709
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Did not make money at the cinema, but.

710
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: Then on VHS it takes on a whole new world

711
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: and makes a ton of money, finds a whole new

712
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: audience that was a legitimate way for a movie to.

713
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Speaker 1: Be successful, and I think you're right.

714
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: I also think that they're coming in on this as like,

715
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: why isn't this Beauty and the Beast, Why isn't this

716
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: the Lion King?

717
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: Why isn't this the Little Mermaid?

718
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 7: You know?

719
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, there can be different types of animation,

720
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: And in this way, this was actually I think ahead

721
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: of its time because it's more in that anime style

722
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: storytelling where it's like, well, yeah, you can do a

723
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: huge cinematic family movie based on a fairy tale, but

724
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: you can also do a slice of life story about

725
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: the small, intimate moments of having a family. So in

726
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: that way, it's very gibblish. It's very anime and very

727
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: ahead of its time, and these reviewers were clearly not

728
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: ready for that. They had also probably none of them

729
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: watched a goof Troop, so they probably had no idea

730
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: going in what the movie was gonna be about or

731
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: like alike, it's.

732
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 5: So culture forward too, like it's so like fun and

733
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, at the time, you know, Disney was

734
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: in their Princess still are but like, you know, he

735
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 5: to have yeah Jasmine, And then I mean and before that,

736
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 5: Little Mermaid and Bell and like and that this was

737
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: not that. So it came out in the height of

738
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Speaker 5: those nineties, you know, princess movies to be something so different,

739
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: And and I like that it stars a guy. I

740
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: feel like you said, like we don't always get that.

741
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 5: We had Aladdin, but like we don't really we didn't

742
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 5: have a ton of that, and so to have this

743
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 5: kind of like dealing with toxic masculinity before we were

744
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 5: talking about that. Yeah, I think that's why they're literally

745
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 5: a different generation.

746
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think it's very interesting too, because the

747
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: none of the reviews at the time or any of

748
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: the conversation around it really reckoned with or even mentioned

749
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: the fact that it's like an interesting representation of like

750
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: a father and son going on a trip together, like

751
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: something we don't get in a lot of movies anyway.

752
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: You're much more likely to get movies about three male

753
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: friends going together somewhere than a man and his son.

754
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: I feel like they really missed the kind of thing

755
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: that makes the movie special. And I think it's very

756
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: interesting that it took such a long time. Also, the

757
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: one I really want to call out, Sorry, Todd McCarthy,

758
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: I believe you are still writing but for Variety, Like

759
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: this man criticized the film's score, which is crazy music,

760
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: and I'm like, sah, do you have ears?

761
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: Who does the matrix score? Like this guy goes on

762
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: to do the matrix score. They're two composers. The first

763
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 4: composer used a lot of weird instruments to do the composition,

764
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: and Disney was like, we want something that's a little

765
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: more cohesive and familiarly, brought in a second guy. The

766
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 4: second guy, Barwell.

767
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: Who did that score.

768
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: Did Miller Is Crossing raising Arizona? Yeah, blood, simple, like joke.

769
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 4: There's zero schmucks on this music, like experience and it's wild.

770
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 5: Also, like Tevin Campbell, they perfectly embodied the like ven

771
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 5: diagram of Michael Jackson and Prince and like they have

772
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 5: yeah power Line, Like those power Line songs are still hit,

773
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: Like they're still so good. Yeah, that's crazy.

774
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 4: If we look at the San Francisco Chronicle, Peter Stack

775
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: wrote that this movie was brutal and quote, there's no

776
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 4: denying that a goofy movie can't be a proud moment

777
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: for Walt Disney Pictures. I think the other thing we

778
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: remember historically is like Disney's renaissance had just begun. It

779
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: starts with a little Mermaids and they go into beating

780
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 4: the Beast, and then Pocahontas and Aladdin. I think it's

781
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: the order, and so you have this like it's fantastic

782
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: but relatively short run of great films, and I do

783
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 4: think there was a concern that they were going to

784
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 4: go back to like The Black Cauldron, which has its fans,

785
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 4: but Listen was was a low point for any financially,

786
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: ticket sales wise, and reputation.

787
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: Great mouse Detective, Yes, we are a great mouse detectives.

788
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: We are still find to be chronic to us.

789
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: Well, the truth is, like Disney doesn't Back then, Disney

790
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: didn't do bad animated movies like aesthetically, so you would

791
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: always find something really beautiful in them. But whether or

792
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: not they were having those you know, groundbreaking successes like

793
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: that they had launched with like Snow White or Sleeping Beauty,

794
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: all these kind of peaks of animation, and also they

795
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 2: were finally coming up against other people, yeah, you know,

796
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: twentieth century Fox.

797
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: Don Bluth doing stuff.

798
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: So I think it was Anastasia the most legendary and

799
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: one of the only movies that can really compare to

800
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: like a true Disney Princess movie banger songs. It was.

801
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.

802
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: It was like a tough time, but I think that

803
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: this movie is it's really aged very well, and I

804
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: love the thirty years later, like we're still talking about

805
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: it and we're kind of you know, there's going to

806
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: be like a week of screenings that the El Capitan,

807
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: and there will probably be multiple other cinemas around the

808
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: country that are playing it too, Like this is going

809
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: to be something that's celebrated, and I hope that this

810
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: makes people check it out on Extra Vision. That was

811
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: what I was going to ask you guys before we

812
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: head into our ad break, what is your like one

813
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: line pitch, like if somebody has yet to watch it.

814
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: They listened to our recap and they were like, well

815
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: I heard the recap, Like what what would be like

816
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: your pitch to them right now of why they should

817
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: go and put this on Disney Plus.

818
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 5: For me, it's like the pop culture that we said,

819
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: like just bangers nineties songs, but also, do y'all remember

820
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 5: that book as long as I'm living.

821
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: Might be yeah all the time.

822
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's basically what that like. Hi Dad, soup like

823
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: scene is and so yeah, it's it's really I do

824
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: have to say sorry. I just wanted to say really

825
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 5: quick that my theory that Goofy and Powerline are actually

826
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 5: really finish with this. Okay, please listen, go and watch it.

827
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 5: Watch it right now. Goofy. You know, he slides onto

828
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 5: the stage, he starts doing the perfect cast. Power Line

829
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 5: finishes the move with him. He does with him with him.

830
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 5: People argue with me, no, no, no, watch it step

831
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 5: by step. He's watching him. He's like, oh, he's doing

832
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 5: the perfect cast, which I also know. And so they

833
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 5: finish the perfect cast. They do it. He finishes that

834
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 5: move with him. How would he know how it ends?

835
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 5: How would he know how it ends? It means that

836
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 5: they're in the same family tree. Power Line should be

837
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 5: at the family read it. They are related. If that's

838
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: his pass down thing, they actually he's a distant cousin.

839
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: They are related. He's not teaching it to him. Watch it.

840
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 5: Don't fight with me, don't at me. It's true. He

841
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 5: finishes it with him. So and everyone's like, he's just

842
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 5: a quick learner. How did he know the ending? He's psychic.

843
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 7: He's psychic.

844
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 5: He's not psychic.

845
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 7: There really is gonna.

846
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: Be your Goofy movie sequel coming soon.

847
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 5: Anyways, that's my sorry. I've seen it like a thousand times.

848
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: Do not apologize. I argue with Danny. Go check it

849
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: going on the Lord. Okay, they're related. I love it. Danny,

850
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us. We loved having

851
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 4: you here. Appreciate you all right, serience before we dive

852
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 4: in or you get for us to just start firing

853
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: off the questions.

854
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: That's about it.

855
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: It looks beautiful Bill.

856
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 6: Some hair, Bill, Kevin, you're looking great too.

857
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: I love the glosses. This is a powerful glosses crew.

858
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Everyone here wearing some friend here.

859
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: We love it. What's his were her name?

860
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: So it's Goofy's own dog.

861
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 4: So gonna cry. That's so beautiful. Oh my gosh. Well,

862
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: thank you for sharing Skipper with us here on Extra Vision.

863
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 4: We love a dog sighting. We get very excited about them.

864
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 7: Yes we do.

865
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: You guys are here today because there's a new documentary

866
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: coming out called Not Just a goof which we loved.

867
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 4: I was texting at Rosie this morning. I was like,

868
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: I did not anticipate crying this much in the documentary

869
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: about one of my favorite films.

870
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 2: We was crying.

871
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 7: There was a little crying going on. It was very emotional.

872
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 6: I find it so interesting that people who people who

873
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 6: have never seen a Goofy movie cry during this documentary.

874
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I think it's amazing.

875
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful love letter what is for a lot

876
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: of us like a really classic film. And I learned

877
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: so much watching it. But I think what was most

878
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: important was, like, how much of a musical fan Kevin is,

879
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: which I did it? You know, I mean looking at

880
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 4: your body of work like it should have been obvious,

881
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: but like watching the sequence for Ida I Come Together

882
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 4: was thurrilling. I didn't realize that you guys had actually

883
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 4: choreographed it and shot it. And I also didn't realize

884
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 4: how many songs got left on the cutting room floora

885
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: there was a song dedicated to Raksan and one where

886
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 4: Maxine's about being a bad boy in the principal's office.

887
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: I just sort of wanted to start with a long

888
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: view on the music, which I think is extremely iconic

889
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: from this film. I wanted to start with, is there

890
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: a song that you left on the cutting room floor

891
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: that you wish had made it to the film.

892
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 6: Oh, gosh, boy, I think every I mean every song

893
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 6: that was cut was cut for really good reason.

894
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

895
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 6: I mean the one we tried the most to get

896
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 6: into the movie was Pete singing a song to Goofy

897
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 6: about his son going down the bad path.

898
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh.

899
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: I've written three or four versions of that song, attempting

900
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 6: to musicize that moment. And I mean we had some

901
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 6: easy We did storyboards for some of them. I think

902
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 6: it's a little snippet of it in the documentary there

903
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 6: is of one of those songs. Yeah, And we tried

904
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 6: and tried and tried and tried it, and we just

905
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 6: couldn't get it to work. We just in the movie

906
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 6: kept telling us, Nope, just doesn't want to be here.

907
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: Yet doesn't want to be here, shouldn't be there.

908
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 6: You can do it easily in just this one little scene.

909
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 6: You don't need to take three minutes to tell this idea.

910
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 4: You know, maybe if Disney gives you a full stage musical,

911
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 4: there'll be a way.

912
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: That's why we bring the extra songs like Bevy and

913
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: the Beast, right, I like, actually.

914
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 6: I'll give you a little like little maybe look into

915
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 6: the future. I've been asking them about creating Disney yea

916
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 6: creating a stage licensing version for high schools. High schools

917
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 6: want it, they wanted to, They asked for it all

918
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 6: the time. So I actually sort of put my hat

919
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 6: in the ring and said, hey, I'd like to really

920
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 6: do this.

921
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 4: All the way back in two thousand and seven, I

922
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: saw Tarzian when it was on Broadway and was totally

923
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 4: blown aways, like a high school trip. My mom was

924
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 4: taking me for my graduation, and I remember being like, Oh,

925
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: why isn't every musical a stage production? I love that idea.

926
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: That would be me and I would love to see,

927
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 4: like so many people already do, the like I performance.

928
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: You see a little bit of that at the end

929
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: of the documentary as well. How many people like cause

930
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 4: play it? And that Oh Man, Disney, I was actually

931
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 4: Vision Indorses. I don't know if you care about our opinion,

932
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 4: but we would love to see I know.

933
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 7: I'm like, please, Disney.

934
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: Because also I'm saying start off with the stage license

935
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: for the high school.

936
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 7: Kids, because they want it. They love it.

937
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: They probably grew up with XAF parents our age. But

938
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: California Adventure has that little theater where they do twenty

939
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: minute musicals. They have the event they did the Avengers

940
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: Rogers musical there. I took my sister and her kids

941
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: to see the Frozen musical there many times it used

942
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: to be home to Aladdin. So a goofy movie, a

943
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: goofy musical. I feel like people would could Bill.

944
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: I've been singing more now with the different venues than

945
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: I ever have.

946
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 7: What's your favorite song to sing though?

947
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: Of that? Probably gosh? Well, this last year in July,

948
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: I got to sing on the Hollywood Bowl stage on

949
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: the Open Road, so the Open Road and with Corbyn

950
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: Blue because Jason Marsen wasn't available. But I am singing

951
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: with Jason this summer on the Disney on a Disney

952
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: Cruise ship. I'm not sure which ship yet, but so yeah,

953
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: it's It's comeback full force.

954
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: That Corbyn was amazing in those shows too. That was

955
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: such a great pull.

956
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 4: It was wonderful. Okay, you just mentioned one of my

957
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: favorite songs on the Open Road, which.

958
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 7: I knew you were going to ask you.

959
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: I have to jump in with it. So on the

960
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: Open Road. There's a great YouTuber who has sort of

961
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: broken down the music of a goofy movie and compared

962
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 4: it to the classic Disney musical structure.

963
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 3: Which is really interesting.

964
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: Because without a romance being the a story of this film,

965
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: it puts a lot of twists on some of the songs,

966
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: including On the Open Road, which they defined as a

967
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 4: villain song, and now I can't stop thinking about how

968
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 4: it operates like a villain song in that Goofy the

969
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 4: whole time is telling Max like what he's gonna do,

970
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: and it's the exact opposite of what Max desire. Max

971
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 4: wants to go home becose He's like, we're moving further

972
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 4: away from home. Max wants to be with the rock stand.

973
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: Goofy's like, we gotta focus on all of these past

974
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 4: memories with my dad, and so it creates like such

975
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 4: a strong dichotomy between the two of them, And I

976
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: was like, well, since Kevin's here, maybe we could ask

977
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: did you view on the Open Road when it was

978
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 4: being crafted.

979
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 6: I never thought of it as a villain song. But

980
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 6: He's absolutely right, because I think these characters, Max and

981
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 6: Goofy are both the heroes and the villains of the movie.

982
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 6: HM right.

983
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 8: They each share that complex duality which I think makes

984
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 8: it really interesting to It was interesting for us to

985
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 8: write and for Bill to sort of find his way

986
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 8: through the performance.

987
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill, what was it like for you to bring

988
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: this new kind of humanity to Goofy? Because that was,

989
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 2: as we watch in the documentary, that was a lot

990
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: of what some people weren't ready for. I think it

991
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: was ahead of its time. I mean, Joelle knows this,

992
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: but my husband he talks a lot about going to

993
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: see this movie with his.

994
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 7: Dad and just being like.

995
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: So moved and also so mad at Max because he

996
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: felt like Goophy was such a good dad and Max

997
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: just didn't appreciate him. And that makes very close to

998
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: his dad, So I think that really spoke to him. Bill,

999
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: What was it like to bring that aspect to Goofy

1000
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: and get to kind of expand the character that we

1001
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: have mostly known as this kind of short Goofiness without

1002
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 2: the relationship.

1003
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: That was probably the most difficult thing about the the

1004
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: creation process is to give you. Goofy was already well

1005
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: known obviously since the nineteen thirties, so he kind of

1006
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: had a set pattern with things, and up to that

1007
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: point with goof Troop and everything, it was that high

1008
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 3: energy Saturday morning kind of energy, slapstick comedy kind of thing.

1009
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 3: He never had to be a nurturing father, He never

1010
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: had to really worry about Max and these other emotions,

1011
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: these other facets to that Goofy diamond that we got

1012
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 3: to show that were there but had never been shown,

1013
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: And you want to be true to the character and

1014
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: still get those emotions apart across. That was the hardest

1015
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: part for me was to where does the human emotion

1016
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 3: end and the goofiness begin. You don't want to go

1017
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: too much on either side. Are you're going to lose

1018
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: what that scenes about? That was the hardest part, and

1019
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 3: we recorded over and over a lot of lines to

1020
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: find the right essence that came out. And so yeah,

1021
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: it was it was a little difficult for me, but

1022
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: we got to expand upon the character. And maybe that's

1023
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: why I'm still doing it after thirty eight years. I

1024
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: finally discovered who this character is.

1025
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 6: All the meltdounds were worth it, philm Yeah, yeah, you know.

1026
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 4: You really have like to me like you are Goofy.

1027
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: I was born in eighty nine, and so like my

1028
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 4: introduction to Goofy, Lazie, let's eve been doing this since

1029
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety. I went back, you know, earlier we were

1030
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: talking to our friend Janny Fernandez, who's a super fan.

1031
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: She's dressed up as many of the main characters over

1032
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 4: the years from this movie. And she had told me

1033
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: about Bob Jackman, who like did a regular voice when

1034
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: he was doing the voice of Goofy, and so I

1035
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 4: was like, well, let me go back and look at

1036
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 4: some of the old and like sort of track the

1037
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 4: evolution of Goofy's voice. So Pindle Covid is like between

1038
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: thirty two thirty eight and then comes back between I

1039
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 4: think forty four and sixty seven or something like that,

1040
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: and he's got the yuck down. He's like, you know,

1041
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: But then Stewart you can it comes along and he

1042
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 4: like really delivers like old timey yokl. Then George Johnson

1043
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: comes in and he slows the voice down a lot

1044
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 4: and it's a little bit deeper we just mentioned. Jackman

1045
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: comes in after that, he's like, none of that messiness.

1046
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 4: It's just a straight dad voice, which.

1047
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 3: Faye thing it was weird. So you hear swing, I'm

1048
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: so impressed.

1049
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 6: I just have to interrupt this.

1050
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am, I am too. There's a lot of

1051
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 3: names there that you normally don't hear.

1052
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: This is the podcast where we truly just nerd out

1053
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 2: and geek out about stuff.

1054
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 7: We love, so there's always a lot of resuch.

1055
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

1056
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: I was blown away because it like you get to

1057
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 4: how Smith in sixty seven eighty three and he's kind

1058
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 4: of doing a combo of like Pinto and that slowed

1059
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: down version. So I wanted to ask you, like, when

1060
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 4: you approached Goofy, like were you looking like what parts

1061
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 4: were you trying to bring in? And what do you

1062
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 4: think is your signature? Because I feel like your Goofy nails,

1063
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 4: I mean like the dad like warm sort of aspect

1064
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 4: that sort of takes Goofy from like a friend of

1065
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 4: Mickey to like father of Max, which you know, for

1066
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 4: the argation is really important.

1067
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: Well, every project kind of brings a little different view

1068
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: of Goofy. Sometimes on you know, Mickey Mouse Clubhouse or

1069
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: something that's for the little kids, and so it's a sweeter, gentler,

1070
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: kind of kinder on the Mickey shorts, it's more nineteen

1071
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 3: thirty two slapstick kind of wild Goofy. In a Goofy movie,

1072
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: it's the nurturing father and that side of him. So

1073
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 3: those are what you have to show. But when I

1074
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: did the audition, I just got a cassette of mostly

1075
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: Pento Colvig and the nineteen thirties Goofies and said match this.

1076
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: So it was a copy and Goofy was my favorite

1077
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: character ever since I was a kid, so maybe i'd

1078
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: practiced that more. But so as long as I could

1079
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: copy that, I got the job. And then for the

1080
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: first couple of years it's trying to find out who

1081
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: is this guy? How would he say other things? And

1082
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: I got to do a spiel at Disneyland where I

1083
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: was doing the spiel for the Mono rail, which is

1084
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: not written for Goofy, So how do you make that

1085
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 3: sound like Goofy and it's not written for him with

1086
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: any of the gorge or anything like that, the you know,

1087
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: the trademark, the signature lines. That was really the first

1088
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 3: time I thought, well, I just need to get inside

1089
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: the head of this guy and learn because it's the

1090
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 3: personality and the emotion that you're putting out there that

1091
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 3: really defines the character. The voice is important, but it's

1092
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: really it's not really voice acting. It's voice acting. It's

1093
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: the acting that brings the character to life.

1094
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 7: I love that, and you've brought him to life so wonderfully.

1095
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: I mean, even I just think about how I was

1096
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: recently at Disney World with my niece.

1097
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 7: And neph you and when we went on.

1098
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: The rail the Runaway Railroad ride, which is just a delight,

1099
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 2: and we had the song stuck in our head for

1100
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: a long time.

1101
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 7: Nothing can stop us now, you know.

1102
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: But Goofy's there and they're like, oh, it's Goofy from

1103
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: a Goofy movie.

1104
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 7: That's where they know him from, you know.

1105
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: And I feel like that prominence is why he's leading

1106
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: a ride like that, and I think that's just magical sperience.

1107
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: Being at comic cons. At comic cons, a Goofy movie

1108
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: is absolutely the number one thing that people talk about

1109
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: for moment, of all the other series and everything I've

1110
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 3: done a Goofy movie Reign Supreme, I guess you might say.

1111
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: And I was going to say, like, and the documentary

1112
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: not a goof does talk about this, but what has

1113
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: it been like for you when you know? And we

1114
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: talked about this with Danny when we had her on

1115
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: as part of this episode. But you know, the review

1116
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: were honestly, they feel ridiculous when you read that now,

1117
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: and it must we were reading some of our favorite

1118
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: worst ones that we were just like, this is just

1119
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: a complete generational misunderstanding of what the movie was. But

1120
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: what's it been like for you to get to this

1121
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: place where at comic cons this is the movie that

1122
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: people want to talk about. You're doing panels and there's

1123
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: standing room only, a thousand people getting turned away, and

1124
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: families who have now grown up and raised kids and

1125
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: it's their favorite movie and it's their kids' favorite movie.

1126
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 2: What's that experience been like to see it change?

1127
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: It's interesting because what happens a lot people, as I say,

1128
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: come up and say thanks for my childhood all this

1129
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But it's so funny how many parents

1130
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: will come up and say, you know, when I was

1131
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: a kid, I was on Max's side. Now I've got kids,

1132
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: I totally understand goofy its own circle of life.

1133
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 6: We can only hope that that keeps going and going

1134
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 6: and going right, that they seeing it, and that parents

1135
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 6: are showing their kids. Those kids will then show it

1136
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: to their kids exactly. It sort of shares that universal

1137
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 6: message right about growing up and about understanding.

1138
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone gets it, Yeah, totally.

1139
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 4: You know, Rosie and I were at the New BEV

1140
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: when they did the thirty five millimeter print screening and

1141
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: Bill you have brought your son there and Kevin. In

1142
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: the documentary, you talk a lot about, you know, your

1143
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 4: own experience with your father and how that influenced the film,

1144
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 4: and I was wondering if you could just talk a

1145
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: little bit about that circle and how you guys fit

1146
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 4: into it and how it sort of impacted the creation

1147
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 4: of the film and how it impacts you know, your

1148
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 4: relationship with it thirty years on.

1149
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 6: I always thought, you know, when I came into the

1150
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 6: movie to begin with, I just thought it was would

1151
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 6: be a stepping stone to be critogno with you. I thought, Okay,

1152
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 6: this is what I'm going to make. This is only

1153
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 6: opportunity so I can go on and work at feature

1154
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 6: animation and do some bigger movie. And what I recognized

1155
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 6: in the making of the movie that I was really

1156
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 6: exploring my own relationship with my father, which is not

1157
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 6: a great relationship in maybe living out some sort of

1158
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 6: fantasy is to this is maybe what a good relationship

1159
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 6: feels like it can make its way through rocky times.

1160
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 6: So I learned a big lesson making this movie, and

1161
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 6: it's that you've got to bring a piece of yourself

1162
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 6: to everything you create, really, and that became sort of

1163
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 6: my mantra in creating art is how do I bring

1164
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 6: myself to this?

1165
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, from an actor standpoint, my son, who was

1166
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 3: also born in nineteen eighty nine and was about five

1167
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 3: years old when the movie came out, he was obviously

1168
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 3: my Max that I could relate to those feelings and

1169
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: with that, So when I was actually talking to Max,

1170
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: I was really talking to my son Austin and imagining that.

1171
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: So he was a great acting tool.

1172
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 7: Bill.

1173
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: You mentioned that the two of you when you were

1174
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: at the New Beverly, that the two of you hadn't

1175
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: necessarily sat down and watched it on a big screen

1176
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: right for the first time in a long time. What

1177
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: was it like to see it? Because that was a

1178
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: lively screening, We had sing alongs, people were so passionate

1179
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: about it. What was he like for the two of

1180
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: you to sit down and get to experience it.

1181
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: It's always great to revisit the film. I mean even

1182
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: today I see things that I didn't really see, or

1183
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: I see in a different way. For example, I know

1184
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: that Jason one of his favorite scenes in the movie

1185
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: is were Pete and Goofy are in the hot tub. Well,

1186
00:58:52,720 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: that is uh, that is that is really me that's

1187
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: where I'm kind of shifting towards my emotions for that

1188
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 3: particular scene and hearing it. I didn't like that scene

1189
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: at first because I thought, oh, that's too much me,

1190
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: it's not enough Goofy. But I have grown to love

1191
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: it because it works and it's not me. Oh I'm

1192
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 3: hearing too much of me, not enough Goofy. But that's

1193
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: what that scene called for, that realism.

1194
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 4: It's he as an adult, like he's here's a guy

1195
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 4: who has a friend who's also a boss, who is

1196
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: so down on the way he wants to have a

1197
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 4: relationship with his son. That whole idea, like the the

1198
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 4: conclusion of pe in this movie is so brilliant to

1199
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 4: me in that it really solidifies like how good a

1200
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 4: tag Goofy is the I think the line that sticks

1201
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: out most with me is like, uh, you know, oh

1202
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: my son loves me? Well, my son respects me. It's like, bro,

1203
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 4: like you'll have a relationship with PJ. You just yell

1204
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: at him and he does what you say, and so

1205
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 4: to see, like so to get Goofy a dad who's

1206
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 4: like so invested and you know, to go back to

1207
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: what you were saying, Kevin, you know, this you were

1208
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: trying to create, like this idealized dad. I have a

1209
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 4: very idealized relationship with my father, Like I love my

1210
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 4: dad like he's been he showed me movies growing up.

1211
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 4: It was the language which was we learned to communicate

1212
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 4: with one another. And it's so wild to see how

1213
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: much Goofy is sort of mirrored am my dad is

1214
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: this creaty he'll do? Like when I was little, he

1215
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 4: liked to perform a chicken dance in the middle of

1216
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 4: like a crowded room, Like, oh my god, Dad, no, what.

1217
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: Are you doing that so much?

1218
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 4: But there was so much you know, loving and trying

1219
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 4: to develop a relationship there. And I think what I

1220
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 4: find so incredible about the documentary was seeing how many people,

1221
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 4: no matter the relationship, what they had with their father,

1222
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 4: whether it was this, you know, a beautiful bond or

1223
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 4: something more distant. Everyone said, but Goofy is like the

1224
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 4: idealized dad, Like that's who you would want. And I

1225
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 4: think that your dream is I'm gonna cry has touched

1226
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 4: all of us in a way that's been such like

1227
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 4: a profound, lasting impact. I think you see it the

1228
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: most when they make the turn to go to the

1229
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 4: concert You're like, I can't believe he's going to try

1230
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 4: to get his son this wild, impossible dream and it's

1231
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 4: so beautiful. You know, we've talked a little bit about

1232
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 4: doing the cons and the panels and stuff, but knowing

1233
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 4: this legacy is there, and then getting to interact with

1234
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 4: the fans. You know, I love asking this question. Do

1235
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: you guys have a like, most treasured or favorite interaction

1236
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 4: with a fan who connected to this film?

1237
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 3: Oh? My gosh, yes, Actually I can relate a story.

1238
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: It happened at a comic con not too long ago,

1239
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: actually during last summer, I believe, and a guy came

1240
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: up and he was crying a little bit, and he

1241
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: was waiting until the line kind of got low so

1242
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: he could talk to me privately, and he said, I

1243
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: got to tell you saved my life. He said, my

1244
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 3: mom when that movie came out, my dad had left.

1245
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 3: My mom was like on cocaine and she would like

1246
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 3: pass out on the couch and she would lock me

1247
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: and my sister in the bedroom, and so for entertainment

1248
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 3: we'd watch a goofy movie. And he said, you became

1249
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: my dad for that length of time, for a couple

1250
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: of years, and I just want to thank you. You

1251
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: know when you hear that kind of profound story that this, Wow,

1252
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: it's not just a movie. It is an experience, and

1253
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 3: it's an experience that people go through and they relate

1254
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: to and it's a teaching moment if you, I don't know,

1255
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 3: if you want Goofy to teach you something.

1256
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 6: It's pretty good.

1257
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 3: But that just struck me. Wow, this is so important

1258
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: to so many people that I had no idea, and

1259
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 3: getting to meet the fans is such a great thing

1260
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 3: because it is important on a much deeper level than

1261
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 3: anyone would really ever think.

1262
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you have to be really I think you

1263
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 6: have to be really careful when you make these kinds

1264
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 6: of movies because they have a life of their own.

1265
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 6: They go out into the world and you have no

1266
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 6: idea how they're going to affect others. Yeah, being so

1267
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 6: being truthful is really really important.

1268
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 7: M hmm.

1269
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: You guys nailed it. Keaven Bill, this was so wonderful

1270
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 4: or so honest.

1271
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, I talked to you about this all day.

1272
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I was definitely Uh Joe Elverin sweetly didn't like make.

1273
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 7: The direct correlation, but I was.

1274
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: I was definitely somebody who it was a Goofy was

1275
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: my was my dad when I didn't have one. So

1276
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: I'm definitely in that. I'm definitely in that me and

1277
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: my sister had this on VHS. I think a generation

1278
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: of us we were raised. Yeah, we were raised by it,

1279
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, we were raised by the movie and you're

1280
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 2: and we were lucky that it was such a thoughtful movie,

1281
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: such a movie that was so ahead of its time

1282
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: when it came to the way that men are allowed

1283
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: to relay emotions.

1284
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 7: So many movies.

1285
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: Don't allow that. They don't allow male friendship, whether it

1286
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: be good or bad. They don't allow fathers and sons

1287
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: to be emotional, fathers and children to be emotional. So yeah,

1288
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: we're very grateful not only for your time of coming

1289
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Speaker 2: on the podcast, but for the movie and how much

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Speaker 2: it means to both of us as career journalists and podcasters,

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Speaker 2: but also as friends because we do we love this

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Speaker 2: movie together.

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Speaker 3: Well, talk about thank you so much, and I know

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Speaker 3: Goofy would say, thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, my height, good dream.

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Speaker 4: Thank you all so much for being here.

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Speaker 6: You're welcome. Thank you so much for having us.

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Speaker 4: All right, and that's our show, guys, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday on extra Vision, we recapping the last of US

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Speaker 4: Season one. Then on Thursday we visited healthc Kitchen side

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Speaker 4: of Disney, plus to visit Matt Murdoch on Dr Deevil

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Speaker 4: Episode two, Await Vanessa, and then on Saturday, You've Got

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Speaker 4: All the Latest News, Plus Rosie will share her thoughts

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Speaker 4: on the Minecraft movie. All Right, That's Everything than.

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Speaker 5: By Bye by.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast. Our executive

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Speaker 2: producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman. Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord,

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Speaker 2: Kenny Goodman and Heidi Our discorded moderate, though