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Speaker 1: Welcome to Between the Horns, presented by your Southern California

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Speaker 1: Toyo de Dealers. Joining with some good friends.

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Speaker 2: Now we got JV.

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Speaker 1: Long and the house to Marco far I'm Cameron Irwin

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Speaker 1: as we get set for yet another matchup this week

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Speaker 1: at Sunday Night Football.

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Speaker 2: You guys ready for some primetime.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, yes, I cannot wait. This is

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Speaker 3: going to be fun. It's going to be loud again.

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Speaker 3: I like football at night, how about you? I like

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Speaker 3: the lights.

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Speaker 4: No, I get people who are upset that last week's

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Speaker 4: game was not featured, right, was not a primetime game.

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Speaker 4: But I like the way the schedule has built because

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Speaker 4: I think human nature is to exhale after taking out

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Speaker 4: San Francisco and Santa Clara and then taking control of

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Speaker 4: the division in first place against the Seattle Seahawks. But

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Speaker 4: when you get primetime, you get Sunday Night Football, you

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Speaker 4: get Baker in the bucks. This is easy to rally

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Speaker 4: for and try and extend this winning street.

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Speaker 3: You want to win, and like you said, if you

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Speaker 3: want to showcase yourself as the best at your position,

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Speaker 3: Sunday Night Football, you can do a lot worse. Right,

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Speaker 3: that's where you want to go.

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Speaker 1: Well, we were looking at this stretch on the Rams

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Speaker 1: season thinking, man, this is going to be a gauntlet

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Speaker 1: and this is now the third game in a row

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Speaker 1: where you're going this is a tough opponent. I know

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Speaker 1: they have back to back losses. However, they face the

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Speaker 1: Bills and it was a tough contest just until those

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Speaker 1: last and final minutes did the Bills really create some separation.

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Speaker 1: So we'll look ahead, of course, as we prepare for

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Speaker 1: the Bucks. But let's look back as the Rams are

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Speaker 1: now sitting at eight and two atop the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: It's five straight for LA over a big time opponent

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Speaker 1: in the division in Seattle. The only division right now

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Speaker 1: with three teams with seven plus wins is the NFC West.

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Speaker 1: We're playing with some of the top teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: My question to you, though, is what do you want

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Speaker 1: to find out about this Rams team as we only

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Speaker 1: have seven games remaining in the regular season right now?

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Speaker 3: Who's healthy? I guess that's the first thing, which guys

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Speaker 3: are going to be out there. I think that game

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Speaker 3: it tested the medal of this football team and it

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Speaker 3: showed that they will find ways to win and they're

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Speaker 3: not going to break I mean that is a great

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Speaker 3: coaching job by all involved. When you have a culture

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Speaker 3: like that that no matter what style the game being played,

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Speaker 3: you have a chance to come out on top and

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Speaker 3: you can adjust on the fly. Seattle gave you everything

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Speaker 3: they had, they really did. They hit you with haymaker

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Speaker 3: after haymaker and you stood in there and you came

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Speaker 3: out with a win. It was tough. You defended two points.

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Speaker 3: You had to make it happen they missed a field goal.

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Speaker 3: But to be in that game to you've seen it,

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Speaker 3: We've been through so many games together. That was about

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Speaker 3: as physical a game as we've ever seen. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's one that could have gone the other way based

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Speaker 3: on two or three plays, and you kept making them

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Speaker 3: over and over and over again. So this team has

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Speaker 3: a deep just intestinal fortitude. Can I say that on TV?

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Speaker 3: They do? I mean, they will go down and dirty

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Speaker 3: to get any win that's necessary. So to me, there's

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Speaker 3: nothing left to be learned on that front. It's just

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Speaker 3: who's healthy from here on it.

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Speaker 4: Look at the way they celebrated it. Yeah, can you

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Speaker 4: watch that postgame celebration? What did it teach you that?

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Speaker 3: Look? I think that Shawn he's given himself a break.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the different Sean McVay than we're used to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. What I need to know

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Speaker 4: in these last couple of months what seed the Rams

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Speaker 4: are going to be? And I think we knew that

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Speaker 4: after a month or two this was a playoff roster.

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Speaker 4: Now that we've seen them beat two division rivals, I

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Speaker 4: think mathematically it's safe to say this is going to

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Speaker 4: be a playoff team. I think they're going to find

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Speaker 4: their way to at least two or three more wins

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Speaker 4: and get in the field. But for all the wonderful

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Speaker 4: things that the Rams have done in nine plus years

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Speaker 4: of Sean mcvay's leadership, the one thing they haven't done

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Speaker 4: is earned the number one overall seed. And that's what

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Speaker 4: they're playing for right now.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's no way to number one seed if you don't

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Speaker 4: win the West, and so those goals go hand in hand,

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Speaker 4: and there's still tons of work to be done in

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Speaker 4: that regard. But what are these lasts what do you say?

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Speaker 4: Seven games? Yeah, left to decide which roster and how

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Speaker 4: healthy a roster can you get into January? And then

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Speaker 4: what's your path to the ultimate goal, because I think

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Speaker 4: that's the right the Rams have earn earned and how

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Speaker 4: do they handle success and manage success and continue to

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Speaker 4: take on playoff caliber opponents when you look at this

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Speaker 4: window of time, and we'll get to Carolina when the

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Speaker 4: time comes. But Carolina could be a playoff team as well.

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Speaker 4: But San Francisco that's like a wildcard caliber win, Seattle

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Speaker 4: that's a Divisional round caliber win. Tampa Bay could very

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Speaker 4: well be an NFC championship type of matchups. So you

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Speaker 4: continue to prove your worth against these teams. I think

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Speaker 4: that only means good things and hopefully it'll eventually translate

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Speaker 4: into a week off come the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned McVeigh post game, and I actually took

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Speaker 1: some of the quotes because I thought he summarized that

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Speaker 1: matchup and especially the defensive performance. He called it just

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Speaker 1: resiliency from the defense and also said what a blessing

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Speaker 1: for the offense to get a chance to learn from

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Speaker 1: this one. So my question to you is what can

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Speaker 1: they learn from this one from the offensive side of

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Speaker 3: I punch it in when you have a chance to.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this earlier, David I mean, look, there's

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Speaker 3: to be they get paid. Two. We heard this before,

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Speaker 3: and that defense from Seattle is as good as advertised.

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Speaker 3: The one thing that you could circle and say, wow,

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Speaker 3: this right here. You have a chance to ice the

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Speaker 3: game with two twenty three to go, and you have

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Speaker 3: to give it back to them and have your defense

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Speaker 3: go out and make a stop. That's awesome. I think

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Speaker 3: that's what he meant. Your offense has a chance to

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Speaker 3: learn through this. You get the w your defense tood Tall.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was awesome. I think the job they're

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Speaker 3: doing on that side of the ball is exemplary. The

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Speaker 3: knocking on Sam Darnold and you know everybody does, and

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Speaker 3: you should after a four pick game, But give that

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Speaker 3: secondary credit for being prepared, being ready, and being where

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Speaker 3: they should be. There were some great plays that first

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Speaker 3: pick by cam Kinchins.

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Speaker 4: What a read.

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Speaker 3: That is an all pro read. You can go from

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Speaker 3: almost returned it to the end zone. Oh that reminds

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Speaker 3: me of one thing. If you are going to do

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Speaker 3: like celebrations. Do it on your sideline, Remember the big guys,

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Speaker 3: you caught it over there. Stay over there. Your family's there.

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Speaker 3: Why go to the other side. Make them dudes have

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Speaker 4: He felt a little left behind there by attendant.

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Speaker 3: Just stay in the corner. What's the big deal about

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Speaker 3: that corner over there? But I mean, look, that secondary

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Speaker 3: played so well. That defense is playing lights out. Like

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Speaker 3: you said, it was a tremendous back and forth game.

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Speaker 3: So I understood what he said. Thank goodness, we got

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Speaker 3: the win. Great job defense, But offense, we have to

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Speaker 4: I think the Rams are going to have to beat

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Speaker 4: the Seahawks twice more, and hopefully the third of those

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Speaker 4: games are going to be back at SOFI Stadium. But

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Speaker 4: in terms of the rematch coming next month, I think

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Speaker 4: of all the phases, the Rams offense has the most

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Speaker 4: left on the play sheet in terms of I think

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Speaker 4: both defensive coordinators put a great game plan together. I

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Speaker 4: these rosters were built to beat each other from Seattle standpoint,

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Speaker 4: especially defensively. So there's no shame in scoring a small

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Speaker 4: of there with a victory, holding serve at home. But

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Speaker 4: when they go back to Seattle, I think Sean McVay

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Speaker 4: and Mike Lafleur they have more left in their game

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Speaker 4: plan that never saw the light of day because of

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Speaker 4: the way that game was played, because of the short

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Speaker 4: fields they were gifted by their defense, because of the

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Speaker 4: long stretches of time where they didn't even have the football.

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Speaker 4: Whereas I think in terms of the game of poker,

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Speaker 4: you know, Donald and Kubiak and the Seahawks put a

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Speaker 4: lot more of what they're capable of and what they

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Speaker 4: have to do to succeed out there on film, and

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Speaker 4: the Rams had good answers for it, and there will

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Speaker 4: be counter moves. Don't get me wrong, like the game

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Speaker 4: Thursday Night Football in December could look completely different. I

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Speaker 4: expect it to look completely different than that one. But

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Speaker 4: I think what we saw is that the Rams have

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Speaker 4: more avenues to victory. They have more margin for air

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Speaker 4: because of the way they're playing, thankfully now in all

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Speaker 4: three phases. And there's a reason why that they got

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Speaker 4: the NFC Special Teams Player of the week because the

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Speaker 4: punt of the year, Oh my god, happened right in

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Speaker 4: front of our very eyes.

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Speaker 3: It's ugly, the punts, the end over end stuff I

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Speaker 3: will never get used to. But man, does it have

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Speaker 3: bite when it hits you know. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: know that many guys that can punt the football that

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Speaker 4: Can do they not have walked that thing down there

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Speaker 4: and said you start right there than he did.

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Speaker 1: See they called it a hole in one, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, that sounds about.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's in a lifetime golf shot for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Coming out of this one, my initial thought was so

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Speaker 1: much of the conversation was this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a chess match between the Rams and Seattle and picking

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Speaker 1: up the win. I was going, I'm not even sure

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Speaker 1: if this is even check against Seattle. I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be check maybe the next time, and maybe

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Speaker 1: even checkmate when it really matters the most.

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Speaker 3: It was a cage fight, That's what that was.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing too, is Harry Potter style, right, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, like I think the Rams have the best piece

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Speaker 4: on the board, and if there's a big bold takeaway

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Speaker 4: from that game, it's that the Rams still have the

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Speaker 4: best quarterback in the building and in the NFC. I

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Speaker 4: know it wasn't his most prolific game, but Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 4: did enough of the right things to guide his team

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Speaker 4: to victory. And look, I had all the admiration and

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Speaker 4: respect for Seattle going into that game. I think the

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Speaker 4: offseason moves that they made were bold. We're daring, We're criticized,

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Speaker 4: but they were right. They were right. The doubt that

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Speaker 4: I have is is Sam Darnold the quarterback who can

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Speaker 4: get you to the ultimate prize? And that remains to

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Speaker 4: be seen. He's certainly capable of playing a better game

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Speaker 4: than he did. But if you're looking at the difference

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Speaker 4: between these two teams running long term, we know Matthew

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Speaker 4: Stafford can get you all the way home? Can Sam Darnald.

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Speaker 4: If you're the Seahawks, I think you have to know

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Speaker 4: Colby Parkinson most improved ram you.

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Speaker 4: Now, you know, the best thing for war McClendon is

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Speaker 3: The way he plays. You can equate it just with

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Speaker 3: I think the secret is out. He is doing a

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Speaker 4: that's just cool, and he's still got thousands of yards

439
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Speaker 4: left in him, which is great.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the share changes at all just considering

441
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Speaker 1: the performance he puts on?

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Speaker 4: Surprised among our listeners are fan base like how much

443
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Speaker 4: of a buzzworthy topic that was? Because I think Kyen

444
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Speaker 4: has benefited from not just the competitive push of Blake Orm,

445
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Speaker 4: but the reduced snap count. And I think a lot

446
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Speaker 4: of our audience that's been begging for more Korm because

447
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Speaker 4: he too has been explosive, is now being counterbalanced by saying,

448
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Speaker 4: wait a second, you had a hot hand. Why take

449
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Speaker 4: opportunities away from Williams. These sound like Champagne problems. Right.

450
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Speaker 4: If you've got a ball, secure, explosive Kyrine Williams, who

451
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Speaker 4: you want to give more handoffs and more snaps to,

452
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Speaker 4: that's a much better place to be than where we

453
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Speaker 4: were a month, six weeks.

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Speaker 3: When we when the Saints were here. One of my

455
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 3: old coaches, defensive coordinator, was on that staff, and he

456
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Speaker 3: told me something I'd never even thought of. All the

457
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Speaker 3: guys that backed me up became starters.

458
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Speaker 4: All the guys that backed you up in the league

459
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Speaker 4: became starters. Yes, you must have been good.

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Speaker 3: But that was the push, that was the competition. These

461
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Speaker 3: guys are good behind me. I'm not giving up that job.

462
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: We talked about this competition will bring the best out

463
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Speaker 3: of you. I think you just saw that with Kyron.

464
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Speaker 3: He's proving that. I think Blake Korn was making a

465
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Speaker 3: real challenge for that job and you had to step

466
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Speaker 3: it up to keep him off your neck. Either way,

467
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Speaker 3: it's good for us and good for the offense the

468
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Speaker 3: balls moving down the field. But I think it brought

469
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Speaker 3: the best out of Kyron, and I'm with you. I

470
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Speaker 3: think there's more there.

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Speaker 4: That was an epic humble brag value. That was what

472
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Speaker 4: for someone who's never touted his own playing career, that

473
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Speaker 4: was nail.

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Speaker 3: I never even thought he said it. Yeah, no idea. Yeah,

475
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Speaker 3: one of them's on that coaching staff. That's that's why

476
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Speaker 3: he brought it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, guys, we do need to adjust just Stafford's

478
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Speaker 1: performance in this one, obviously picking up the win and

479
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Speaker 1: getting the touchdowns when we needed them. However, it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: I looked at some of the just total time throw

481
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Speaker 1: and it was the second fastest Stafford has had all.

482
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Speaker 2: Season long, only to Houston. It was two point four six.

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Speaker 3: Oh get it.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about the Seattle front. But how different

485
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Speaker 1: of a matchup could this have been for Stafford? Was

486
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Speaker 1: it on him or was it more so on the

487
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Speaker 1: Seattle front.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give the front credit. I thought the

489
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Speaker 3: edges were good. I thought that we were talking about

490
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Speaker 3: Bairn Murphy. Yeah he's gonna be a problem for a while. Yeah,

491
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Speaker 3: he's not going away. They got some pressure on Stafford.

492
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Speaker 3: He had to get rid of it. And the secondary.

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Speaker 3: I thought they had a great game plan. I thought

494
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Speaker 3: they game planned some stuff and took away some quick reads.

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Speaker 3: And I thought if Matthew Stafford was a lesser quarterback.

496
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Speaker 3: You could have rushed it, you could have gave up sacks,

497
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Speaker 3: you could have threw the ball to them, just like

498
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Speaker 3: Sam Darnold. So some days it's going to be tough

499
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Speaker 3: sledding and you have to, you know, find a way

500
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Speaker 3: to make chicken soup out of you know what. And

501
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Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what he did. So the numbers

502
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Speaker 3: don't bear it out, but I thought he played a

503
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Speaker 3: tough football game against the very tough defense that was

504
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Speaker 3: bringing it on him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's been on the ultimate heater, so there

506
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Speaker 4: was gonna be some regressions somewhere along the line here.

507
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Speaker 4: I'm glad that regression looks like it looks in a

508
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Speaker 4: win against maybe the best defense in the league right

509
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Speaker 4: now with no turnovers. He'll tell you he should have

510
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Speaker 4: made that first throw, I think to Higbee, Yeah, and

511
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Speaker 4: the red zone, and look if I still don't know

512
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Speaker 4: why that challenge was not successful, but if they give

513
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Speaker 4: Kyron that first down, if Matthew hits Higbee, you know,

514
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Speaker 4: we could be looking at an entirely different game script

515
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Speaker 4: and a much different box score for Matthew Stafford. But

516
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Speaker 4: what I love about again, to go back to the

517
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Speaker 4: postgame celebration, is Davante is cussing and venting because he

518
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Speaker 4: got what seven or eight targets and only one catch

519
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Speaker 4: and it was a touchdown and it was a big one.

520
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Speaker 4: But like he's less than one hundred percent, you didn't

521
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Speaker 4: feel him as much as you have been lately. Matthew

522
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Speaker 4: Stafford was sped up like the clock that you just

523
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Speaker 4: give evidence to. But he's at a different point. Sean

524
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Speaker 4: McVay is at a different point in their career arc

525
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Speaker 4: where you can win through that imperfection because you're a

526
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Speaker 4: more complete team. Now, you're a more patient team. You're

527
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Speaker 4: more patient staff and offense, and I think that bodes

528
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Speaker 4: really well. You're not going to be able to put

529
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Speaker 4: up five touchdowns per game every time out in this league.

530
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Speaker 4: It's too good, especially against a team like that. But

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Speaker 4: that's not going to hinder his MVP case at all.

532
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Speaker 3: If you can, if you get the right first down call.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, no, that's it too, and not just

534
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Speaker 4: that first down call. Yeah it is, but then on

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Speaker 4: first and ten or first and goal, yeah, right, So

536
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Speaker 4: what you're saying is true. But I also the other

537
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Speaker 4: thing I meant to say is look at the rams

538
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Speaker 4: lack of success on first down. The secret sauce offensively

539
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Speaker 4: this year has been being on or ahead of schedule,

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Speaker 4: almost showing exclusively like they've had so few negative down

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Speaker 4: and distances, and then you run into this wall that

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Speaker 4: is the Seattle defense, and all of a sudden you're

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Speaker 4: living in second and ten or third and behind the chains,

544
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Speaker 4: and guess what, against any defense, but especially that defense,

545
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Speaker 4: your numbers are going to plummet if you're in those

546
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Speaker 4: sorts of circumstances.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting too looking at just the third down,

548
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Speaker 1: struggling on that and finding some fourth down opportunities. The

549
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Speaker 1: Rams actually converted on two of three. I'm curious though,

550
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Speaker 1: from a mindset, is it more an approach and aggressive

551
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Speaker 1: mindset by the Rams, or is it more a function

552
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Speaker 1: of how the NFL is now being played, as they've

553
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Speaker 1: gone for it more on fourth down I think eighteen

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Speaker 1: total times this season.

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Speaker 4: It's the fact that they haven't made a field goal

556
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Speaker 4: since Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in primary, we haven't even kicked a field goal

558
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Speaker 2: in the last two games.

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Speaker 3: There might be some a little more aggression. I don't

560
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Speaker 3: know what the I think we're more with the numbers.

561
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Speaker 3: Now the analytics say go for it more, and teams

562
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Speaker 3: kind of lean on.

563
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Speaker 2: That that field goals aren't worth it.

564
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Speaker 3: But yeah, but I think with this football team and

565
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Speaker 3: the kicking game the way it was, you're still in

566
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Speaker 3: a touchy feely mode. Then if you have a chance,

567
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Speaker 3: would you rather go with a risky prospect of kicking

568
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Speaker 3: it or go with putting the ball in nine hands?

569
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Speaker 3: I would rather go that way with matthew Stown.

570
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Speaker 4: I think it's in all of the above type of

571
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Speaker 4: thing what you just said. Plus you've got a championship

572
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Speaker 4: caliber defense who can cover up any failures on fourth down.

573
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Speaker 4: So I love the fact that not only has Sean

574
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Speaker 4: Vay come to see the light and in terms of

575
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Speaker 4: the analytic argument, but that even when it falls short,

576
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Speaker 4: and I mean you fail on your first fourth down

577
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Speaker 4: and then you get in a goal line situation, you

578
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 4: get stuffed that you're willing to go for it again

579
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Speaker 4: on fourth down and spread them out and shotgun hand off.

580
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Speaker 4: You talk about a tendency break there. What are you

581
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Speaker 4: supposed to do defensively, now, DeMarco, if you've got Davante

582
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Speaker 4: Adams who can hit the fade, who can hit the slant.

583
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Speaker 4: You got Pooka unlocking the red zone. You've thrown touchdowns

584
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Speaker 4: to your tight ends the last few weeks, and now

585
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Speaker 4: that you can just swing the sledgehammer of Kyron Williams again.

586
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Speaker 3: You know this is funny, This is great. This is

587
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Speaker 3: how you know when a DCE is on his heels.

588
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Speaker 3: If I had that situation with that on tape. Now

589
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Speaker 3: that they can run it or throw it out to DeVante,

590
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to have to pressure you and hope

591
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Speaker 3: I get there, make him throw it faster than he wants.

592
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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll get a tip ball or something.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's where a lot of these blitz stats that

594
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Speaker 4: you've seen percolating, Like Stafford's been eviscerating the blitz, and

595
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: it's true a lot of that is like short field

596
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 4: red zone where the defensive coordinators like, we've only got

597
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 4: this much real estate to anyone who's not occupying a receiver,

598
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: hit it. I'll get them here. Yeah, but he's got

599
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Speaker 4: the answers to the test.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought that was huge. It was

601
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Speaker 3: a big call. I think you even asked, like, what

602
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: would you call here? I said, they stuffed you twice.

603
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: Go ahead and throw it, And I'm glad Seattle was

604
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Speaker 3: thinking like me, because once they spread out that middle

605
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: open wide, it just opened wide open and there goes

606
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Speaker 3: Kyron for the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Party in the red seat. Yes, all right, guys, you're

608
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Speaker 1: ready to look a little bit more ahead towards the Bucks. Yeah,

609
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: all right, top of NFC NFC South facing off now

610
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Speaker 1: against the top of the NFC West. However, it feels

611
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Speaker 1: like these two teams, if you look at their records

612
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Speaker 1: or even recent history, you might be thinking they would

613
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Speaker 1: be trending in opposite directions. However, the Bucks have more

614
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Speaker 1: one score games than it feels like the rest of

615
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Speaker 1: the league, winning four of six one score games throughout

616
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Speaker 1: their time. They started off five and one, rams down

617
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Speaker 1: a five game win streak. So when you look at

618
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Speaker 1: this one on the defensive side of the ball, what

619
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Speaker 1: needs to be accomplished defensively?

620
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Speaker 3: And look, I have all the respect in the world

621
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Speaker 3: for Baker Mayfield and what he can do. He is

622
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Speaker 3: the second coming of Fran Tarkenton type. Guys. The play

623
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Speaker 3: is never dead, you know what I mean. Even if

624
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: you defense it perfectly and you run the route for

625
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: the receivers, you still have to keep him corraled, which

626
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 3: is easier said than done, and they do a great

627
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: job of keeping you off balance with the running game. Now,

628
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: it hasn't been explosive, but it's something you have to respect.

629
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Speaker 3: It really does test you. So Baker's tough. I think

630
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Speaker 3: the thing about this defense is you have to recover

631
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: quickly from that sort of game. It was physical, it

632
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: was brutal, and then you have to get it going

633
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: again and dial that up to get after Baker Mayfield

634
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: because if you don't get pressure on him, he can

635
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Speaker 3: stand back there and sling it and wing it with

636
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Speaker 3: the best. So you're gonna have to bring the same

637
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: effort you brought on Sam Donald to Baker Mayfield. But

638
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: that's just half of it. He is a better quarterback

639
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: on the move than Sam Donald. So this will be

640
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: another stiff test for the defense.

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Speaker 4: First of all, how cool is it that Baker's coming

642
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 4: back to so far under the lights of prime time?

643
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: Right he shouldn't even be allowed to prepare for this

644
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: game until Friday at the early. Let's see if he

645
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: can do it on who Sleeps Again? Man, that was

646
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 4: a special chapter in Rams history. I'm so glad for

647
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: his couple of months. Yeah, in Los Angeles, not as

648
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 4: glad as he is because it's earned him that tens

649
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Speaker 4: of millions.

650
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Speaker 1: Of dollars, but also a newfound love for the game

651
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Speaker 1: of football too, which he's mentioned this week, which I

652
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: thought was pretty special his time here with.

653
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Speaker 3: LA he was being bounced around for a while in

654
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Speaker 3: this room. Who doesn't root for Baker Mayfield. Everybody roots

655
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Speaker 3: for him. We all love Baker for what he did here.

656
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: So we won't be rooting for month Sunday.

657
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: But the only way you you you show him the

658
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: proper respect is to get after him, just like you

659
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: did Cooper Cup this weekend.

660
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 4: But I think you preface the backdrop and the motivation appropriately.

661
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: In terms of the Rams are in a how do

662
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 4: we handle success mode? And the Buccaneers have lost to

663
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: I mean, two AFC contenders in consecutive weeks, right, so

664
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: they're in a little bit of back against the wall

665
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: like the presumed favorite in that division, and still the favorite,

666
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: I would argue, is suddenly feeling a little bit of pressures,

667
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: a little bit of pursuit from the Carolina Panthers, and

668
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 4: I think there leads down to a half a game,

669
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 4: so they come here. It reminds me a little bit

670
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: of the Miami Dolphins and the primetime matchup from last year.

671
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 4: Different stakes, but like Miami was at that point in

672
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: the season where it's now or never, Like, if we're

673
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: going to make a run at this thing, we got

674
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 4: to flip the switch. And Tampa Bay's got more margin

675
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: for air built in. But I think you should expect

676
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: a desperate game plan and group a bunch of Buccaneers.

677
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, when you said Carolina in the mix, that's wow,

678
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 3: unreal What a difference a year makes.

679
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, get ready for that challenge too.

680
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 4: By the way, post Thanksgiving.

681
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: There are some question marks in terms of the Bucks

682
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: offense because they've been dealing with numerous injuries. But Irving

683
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: currently on the practice field this week, how could that

684
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: maybe shift the game plan against this offense.

685
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: He's another guy like McCaffrey that could eat you up

686
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: both ways. He can run the football. He's not the

687
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: biggest dude in the world, but he's not afraid to

688
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: run inside. And he's a guy like we were talking

689
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: about with McCaffrey. Sometimes he's the primary and he'll kill

690
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: you that way, even if he's the dump off the

691
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: secondary option for Baker Mayfield. When he catches it, you

692
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: got problem again. So it's just another one of those issues,

693
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: the problems that comes out of the backfield, and he

694
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: could take it and be immediate with it. So he's

695
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: a guy you just can't get away from. Smith and

696
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: Jigba is a guy you can kind of get away

697
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: from by putting pressure on the quarterback. Once Irving gets it,

698
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: he's got it. Now you've got to go deal with him.

699
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: So that's how dangerous he can be. But I think

700
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: this defense has been up to the challenge no matter

701
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: who's carrying the rockets.

702
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing that I appreciate about Tampa Bay,

703
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: and this goes back to last season when they were

704
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: playing me and to Marco at tight end, basically, is

705
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 4: they've been able to put up points and manufacture offense

706
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: no matter their circumstances. They've been banged up at the

707
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: skill position players, they've been banged up up front and

708
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 4: getting healthier at certain spots amplifies the challenge for the

709
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: Rams this week. But this is a group that's shown

710
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: that they can get to thirty no matter what eleven

711
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: they're putting out there.

712
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was interesting because Sean Tucker actually out

713
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: a career day three touchdowns, two on the ground, one

714
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: through the air, and he could be a force to

715
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: be reckoned with. And again Chris Godwin also somewhat questionable.

716
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: He might be out there, may not.

717
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: So ought you.

718
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: We'll see I was gonna say. I was saying the

719
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: same thing. Guys.

720
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: We have a really fun celebration taking place on Sunday night.

721
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Of course it's Primetime, but it's also the Aaron.

722
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: Donald Celebration game.

723
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you Rams fans, the first sixty thousand

724
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: fans into SOFI, you are picking up an eighty bobblehead

725
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: and the goat bobblehead.

726
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

727
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: You know you want one of those?

728
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: Of course? I do you know what I would do

729
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: when he comes out for that, I just would just

730
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: put a set of pads off to the side.

731
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: It's a good call.

732
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: Helmet and shoulder pads. Just have him ready, just in case,

733
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: just in case, just in case. You never know.

734
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: I know you like the life size Aaron Donald or.

735
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: I guest seventy fiftninety nine, get a bottlehead, but I'm

736
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 4: getting mine first, So absolutely I like that this is

737
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: somehow tied into Baker's visit to SOFI because that twenty

738
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: two season was such a grind and it hurts so badly,

739
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 4: But I'm just like I said, I was thankful for

740
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: Baker's time and the way he helped flip the emotional

741
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: energy of that season. You know, by that point in

742
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: the year, Aaron was done for twenty two, but the

743
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 4: fact that he didn't ride off to the end of

744
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: the sunset from the parade stage in twenty one will

745
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: always mean so much to me. One because I wasn't

746
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: ready to say goodbye, and I know many of us

747
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 4: still are not ready to say goodbye. But there had

748
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: to be times that fall in twenty two where he

749
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: was like, what was I thinking? How do they convince me?

750
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: I know they convinced him with a paycheck, but how

751
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: do they convince me to come back and keep doing

752
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: this right? And not only did he endure that season,

753
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: but he came back again in twenty three. And there's

754
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: no way in my estimation that the Rams accomplish anything

755
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: in twenty three. Certainly are not where they were in

756
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 4: twenty four and again here in twenty five if Aaron

757
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 4: didn't tack on those last two seasons. So yes, He's

758
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: going to be forever remembered for what he did against

759
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: San Francisco in that NFC Championship game, what he did

760
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: against the Bengals in the Super Bowl, the three Defensive

761
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: Player of the Year honors that he won. But in

762
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 4: my everlasting memory twenty two and twenty three three and

763
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: then being able to willing to walk away when you

764
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: had the team back on the upslope like that, to me,

765
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: is you still feel his legacy around here, You still

766
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 4: feel his standard in that room, on this defense, in

767
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: this facility, Which might have been true if he walked

768
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: away after the confetti fell, But I think is all

769
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: the more rich and enjoyable because of those two additional

770
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: seasons we got out of him.

771
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: You want me to believe I'm talking to Aaron. You

772
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: want me to believe that you're retired. Stop lifting one

773
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty pounds.

774
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Dumb bulls. I knew you were going to bring.

775
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: It up young people like verse in the weight room,

776
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: and then I'll believe you're done. Okay, but bring the

777
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: pads out just in case.

778
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: When he's in the building, though, DeMarco, that makes an

779
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 4: impression on rams who are dressed.

780
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: Yes, when he's there. I mean, I can't tell you.

781
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 3: This is just me seeing my ilst walk by, and

782
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: when they're in the building, you want to show your

783
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: best game for them. And I don't care who you are,

784
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: from Warrensap to John Randall, everybody, the guys that I

785
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: thought were the great, He's the best I've ever seen

786
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: at that spot. If you have a doubt, I don't

787
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: want to hear it. I've never seen a guy that good,

788
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: that dominant, and that inspiring. So when he's in the building,

789
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: if you're playing that position, you might want to, you know,

790
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: pump your game up just a little bit.

791
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a reason there's a goat alongside Aaron Don

792
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: And yes, the goat's head does move as well.

793
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: I think, at least the one here in in our

794
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: studios it does. It does, guys. Just final thoughts and

795
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: keys to victory. What do you want to start with?

796
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: Wow, Well, I think you have to find a way

797
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: to approximate and equate if you can replace Quinton Lake,

798
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: and you can't do that just one for one and

799
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: not miss a beat. On defense, the communication has been great.

800
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: The connection between front linebacker and secondor oh Nate Lanman

801
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: again great football, everything else, knocking the ball out and

802
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: happy birthday? Did he actually say something you had him

803
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: when Rand's revealed that was fun, right, Yeah, that was

804
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: great with his pads. But defensively, just stay on the

805
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: same page. It's next man up. It's the same thing

806
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: you've done weekend and week out. And offensively, you know,

807
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: find a way if you have to. You have to

808
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: close the game out. You have to be professional on

809
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: that side of the game, on that side of the ball,

810
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: if it comes down to that situation, if you have

811
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 3: a chance to win the game on offense, you must

812
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: do it there. Don't rely on the defense.

813
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go back to early down efficiency, the Rams,

814
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: getting back to what they've done so well to put

815
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 4: themselves in favorable situations to throw the football. I'm not

816
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 4: saying they can't throw it on first down. I'm just

817
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 4: saying they have to be efficient in that dimension to

818
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: stay on track to sustain some drives. I also want

819
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: to shout out Steve Avola, who I think, since he's

820
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 4: been getting back to health, has been kicking doors down

821
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: in a very meaningful way. I think with you know,

822
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: a replacement right tackle now, getting this offensive line to

823
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: continue to be ferocious and effective and disciplined, run pass screen.

824
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 4: I think as long as you do that, you're gonna

825
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: be able to score with Tampa Bay. And then hopefully,

826
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: you know, Shula dials up. Sorry I said his name, shoot.

827
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: Right too.

828
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: Hopefully punt Afford and the Rams defense puts together another

829
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 4: great game plan because obviously you can't bank on four

830
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: takeaways per game, but the Rams are generating situations even

831
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: without sacks, where they're putting their back in in position

832
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: to go hunt footballs. Whether that's Lambman getting another punch out,

833
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 4: which he did, they didn't recover it, but he got

834
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: another one. It's a week after week you get this

835
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: offense an extra possession or two per week, and you

836
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: got a real look at the one seed.

837
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna go special teams. I don't want to

838
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: see the field goal attempt, but I also want to

839
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: see the field goal of so Hey, if we can

840
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: just get into the end zone five times, I'm good

841
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: with that. Let's just keep kicking the extra points. However,

842
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I would love to see MeVis get his first attempt,

843
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: just you know, clear it out there, get it done,

844
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: get it over one. It's coming, Yeah, all right, well, guys,

845
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: this has been a pleasure.

846
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: You ready for Sunday Night football and Sofi?

847
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yes, yeah, I know who Sho is. By the way,

848
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters if we don't they do.

849
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: Hey, keep rocking the Rams house man to everyone who

850
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: came out through the rain and lifted the Rams to

851
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: victory against the Seahawks. You know, put Baker and the

852
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: Bucks in those same circumstances. Make you feel it.

853
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: Let's sell those standing room only seats one more time,

854
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: why don't we? Uh, we can't wait to see you

855
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: Sunday and Sofi Stadium for another prime time matchup, the

856
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: second of the season. This has been between the Horns,

857
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: presented by our Southern California Toyota dealers, JB.

858
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Long, DeMarco far Cameron Irwin. We'll see you Sunday night.