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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Diddy loving it. Disorder in the court. Why a jury feud?

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Agniffilo used one old tired phrase after the next.

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Speaker 1: She wanted it, she got paid. It was just homemade porn. Really,

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Speaker 1: as if that's the defense.

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Speaker 3: The jury and the galley was looking like, sir, what

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Speaker 3: are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: That was a very cringe moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that was way cringing straight out to Tisa

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Speaker 2: Tale standing by at the courthouse Teas Tale star off

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Speaker 2: Tisa Tales on YouTube TSA.

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Speaker 1: What happened today in court?

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Speaker 3: Diddy's team got humiliated by Judge Rowland. He has had

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Speaker 3: e enough. Mark Agnifilio stood up and did his best Gianna,

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Speaker 3: we really honestly think, and Judge Aaron cut him and said,

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Speaker 3: I don't care what you think. As you know, the

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Speaker 3: jury's been passing notes back and forth. Now a lot

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Speaker 3: of people say that the jury is signaling that they

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Speaker 3: are pointing to the heart of the case, the part

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Speaker 3: the prosecution wanted to wanted them to pay attention to.

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Speaker 4: But that's not important.

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Speaker 3: What's important is yesterday the judge gave instructions. Listen, the

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Speaker 3: jury acts the specific instruction if I give if you

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Speaker 3: give drugs to a friend, if a friend asks for

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Speaker 3: drugs and you give drugs to a friend, is that

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Speaker 3: the same as distribution?

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Speaker 4: Short answer, of course it is.

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Speaker 3: However, the judge gave both sides a specific charge. He

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Speaker 3: told them, listen, I'm gonna have to answer this question.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what you think this should say. Mark Agnefiel

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Speaker 3: had almost twenty four hours and came back into the

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Speaker 3: courtroom and said, listen, we think we shouldn't say anything.

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Speaker 4: We're think that you should just give them the whole statute.

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Speaker 3: He Judge Aaron literally cut them off and said, I

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Speaker 3: don't care what you think. It was a tense back

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Speaker 3: and forth. Can you follow my directions? Well, I think

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Or no?

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Speaker 3: Well, Yanna, we kind of think I don't care what

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Speaker 3: you think. You Can you follow them or are you

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Speaker 3: unwilling to yes or no? Mister Agnifilio. Mister Agnifilio finally said,

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Speaker 3: I mean yes, I can follow whatever you want to say.

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Speaker 3: He tried to move on, but we really think he

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Speaker 3: cut them off again. I don't care what you think.

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Speaker 3: He said, I'm not leaving these jurors at sea. The

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Speaker 3: prosecution stood up and said he's trying to mislead the jury,

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Speaker 3: and Judge Aaron then repeated it do what you want

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Speaker 3: and what you want me to say and what you

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Speaker 3: want to propose is akin to misleading the jury and

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Speaker 3: we are not.

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Speaker 1: Going to do this.

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Speaker 3: Did He's team seemed crushed, they were furied, they were.

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Speaker 4: Doing all the stuff.

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Speaker 3: Judge Aaron would not let them even get air to breathe.

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Speaker 3: He has had enough and when you think about it,

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Speaker 3: it is ridiculous what they were actually expecting them to do,

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Speaker 3: what so diddler touchy Roll can walk free.

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Speaker 4: And just so you know it was bad.

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Speaker 3: Afterwards, Janie Colms literally because we went to break. After that,

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Speaker 3: Janice Colms literally stopped Westmoreland and Brian still in the

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Speaker 4: She was still seated.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't see her face, but her body language was

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Speaker 3: very urgent, and Westmoreland and Brian Steell spent about seven

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Speaker 4: So again, whatever's going on, it looks.

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Speaker 3: Like the delusion land that Ditty and his family has

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Speaker 3: on with these juror notes being passed back and forth

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Speaker 4: The other bombshells dropping.

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Speaker 3: It looks like Diddy's team has been getting more losses

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Speaker 4: It's expected she's going to be the appellate lawyer.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: However, they have been saying back and forth, we want

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Speaker 4: Now what is that?

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Speaker 3: I'll leave that to the lawyers to decide. But one

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Speaker 3: that happened in court was the Cassie Factor again.

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Speaker 4: Marine called me this set to get job on.

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Speaker 3: His closing, maybe even too good because Diddy's teams suffered

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Speaker 3: a second bombshell in court when two notes were actually

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Speaker 3: taken were rushed out from the jury room. Those notes

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Speaker 3: had to do with Cassie. They wanted to hear Cassie's

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Speaker 3: testimony again. They wanted to hear what happened in Cans

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Speaker 3: Kansas is one of the things where Ring Cally pointed

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Speaker 3: to for the sex trafficking. And last, but not least,

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Speaker 3: they wanted to hear what happened with Daniel Phillip. Who's

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Speaker 3: Daniel Phillip. Well, if you believe or Ring called me

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Speaker 3: She actually showed this testimony, admitted that he had sex

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Speaker 3: Diddy was sitting there when I say it looked like

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Speaker 3: he wanted to just He didn't know whether to stand up,

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Speaker 4: Be happy or just sad.

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Speaker 3: At first, he thought it was going to be hopeful

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Speaker 4: He looked to his team. His team looked gravely concerned.

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Speaker 3: They activated, They were on their laptops, on their mobiles,

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Speaker 4: They asked for more information.

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Speaker 3: They tried to argue their point in front of the

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Speaker 3: despite Mark Agnofilial's ugh highly massages in this badly timed

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Speaker 3: has their shovels out ready to dig. This is bad

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Speaker 3: for Diddy and he is looking stressed. And as the

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Speaker 3: probably they'll be here tomorrow. If the jury doesn't come

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Sydney Suner Crime Stories investigative reporter. So

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Speaker 2: far and counting at least five jury questions, shall we

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Speaker 2: start at the beginning or should we take them in

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Speaker 2: reverse chronological order? Look, this is what I know. I

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Speaker 2: know when your jury isn't getting along, when they've only

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Speaker 2: you got a p I mean a problem. I'm talking mistrial,

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Speaker 1: Let's go in reverse chronological.

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Speaker 2: Sidney, what was one of the most recent questions from

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Speaker 2: the jury that came in early this morning about ten

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. They hadn't been back there forty five minutes.

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Speaker 7: Tell me what happened, well, Nancy, Apparently they requested transcripts

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Speaker 7: from two of the witnesses testimony. We don't know what

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Speaker 7: charges they're considering when they're asking for these transcripts, or

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Speaker 7: who they are asking to review, but that's what's coming

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Speaker 7: out of the courtroom right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Eric Fattus joining me veteran trial lawyer, joining us

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Speaker 2: out of the Denver jurisdiction. Founding partner Varner Fattus, elite

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Speaker 2: legal for my purposes, former felony prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Fattus.

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Speaker 2: You can absolutely tell which direction the jury is headed

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Speaker 2: in by jury questions. The first question came out about

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Speaker 2: actually it was more of a complaint the jury saying

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Speaker 2: that one of the jurors could not follow the judge's instructions. Look,

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Speaker 2: it's not like the judge went home and over dinner

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Speaker 2: just came up with some instructions. This is the law,

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Speaker 2: the black and white letter of the law. The jury

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Speaker 2: must use to decide the case. For instance, the definition

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Speaker 2: of sex trafficking, the definition of drugs with intent to distribute,

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Speaker 2: the definition of kidnapping. They are the legal definitions. What

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Speaker 2: does that mean? He can't follow the law? What the hey?

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Speaker 2: And what paus fatus hey? Sydney Sumner? This jurar that

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Speaker 2: can't follow the law. Doesn't he have like a bunch

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Speaker 2: of graduate degrees.

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Speaker 7: Yes, he is a PhD in molecular biology. Now it's

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Speaker 7: unclear exactly what he does for work. He said that

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Speaker 7: he was a scientist, but he also at one point

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Speaker 7: said he was a veterinarian. But yes, this is a

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Speaker 7: very intelligent person, at least in booksmart's very academic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Eric fattis every defense attorney's dream come true.

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Speaker 1: You've got a guy. Let me just go ahead and put.

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Speaker 2: It out there, a nerd. Look, I'm really proud. I

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Speaker 2: got a lot of brainiacs in my family. I'm not

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Speaker 2: But when you have somebody that's all book learning, no

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Speaker 2: I didn't study that in molecular biology class when I

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Speaker 2: already telling the children they've got to get a PhD someday.

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Speaker 1: I'm all for it.

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Speaker 2: But Eric, when you have a gr R within two

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Speaker 8: Yeah, a curious development here, And you know, in trying

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Speaker 1: That they're a face there.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and the devil danced around the fire

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Speaker 1: When you heard this. They'll just say, oh, that's curious.

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Speaker 2: They asked, you're thrilled because that means a problem in

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Speaker 8: Well the defense is thrilled Diddy's defense, Yes, certainly, because

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Speaker 8: what it shows is there's some dissension in the ranks.

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Speaker 8: These folks are not agreeing. And this is from the outset.

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Speaker 8: This is at the very beginning. Look, as you know, Nancy,

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Speaker 8: during jury selection and once these jurors were selected, they

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Speaker 8: That is really their central role here. Now we're learning,

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Speaker 8: you know, hours into the deliberation, that there's a problem

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Speaker 8: with that. This prosecution needs to get twelve jurors to

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Speaker 1: What could it be?

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Speaker 8: Could it be that this juror is considering evidence outside

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Speaker 8: that itself could be grounds for a mistrial, could be

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Speaker 8: grounds for air, could be grounds for reversing any conviction

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Speaker 8: that has had.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fatus, did I ever tell you that I somehow,

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Speaker 2: I forgot she had some religion where you're not supposed

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Speaker 2: to pass judgment on other people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And I don't.

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Speaker 2: It was a tenant in her religion, you cannot pass judgment. Okay,

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Speaker 2: And then I didn't I didn't make it any better

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Speaker 1: That said. Somehow I manage to get a guilty verdict

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Speaker 2: You're right, fattest they take an oath to follow the law,

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Speaker 8: You know these folks are just people from the community, right,

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Speaker 8: They're not professional jurors. For most of them, this is

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Speaker 2: This is a lady second guessing. Am I the right

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Speaker 2: So get on with it. Joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: braced yourself. I'm going to tell you what happened in

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Speaker 2: he thought to tell his mother he loves her outfit.

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Speaker 2: The jury is having a feud and you're going to

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Speaker 1: That's my fear. What message will that send?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I am not feeling good about this at all, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: This whole trial goes.

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Speaker 9: To what I've been saying all along now for going

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Speaker 9: be very bad if this guy walks out and ends

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall Joining Us renouncesycho Analyst joining us out

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Speaker 2: of the LA jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: She's the author of deal Breaker.

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Speaker 2: You can see her on Peacock and you can find

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Speaker 2: her online at Dr Bethanymarshall dot com. Bethany, here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Everything that Lanshaw just said.

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Speaker 2: However, this is not a caveat to what she said.

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Speaker 2: I am transposing what she said onto these proceedings. Many

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's complicated if you go into the scientific minutia

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Speaker 1: Really not that hard to understand.

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Speaker 10: My worst fear is that there's a type of group

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Speaker 10: be looking past the science, maybe looking past the prosecution,

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Speaker 10: He is the only person standing up. Again, this is

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Speaker 10: Shaw said, people don't really understand sex trafficking. I mean

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Speaker 2: live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and there is trouble.

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Speaker 2: I can smell it a mile away, and Diddy is

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Lauren Colins. Standing by Lauren, what happened?

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Speaker 5: It is day two of jury deliberations and it seems

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Speaker 1: We first heard a.

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Speaker 5: He would like to handle this, and he came in

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Speaker 5: Now there seemed to be a lot of back and

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Speaker 5: So the court did instruct the parties to get all

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Speaker 5: it seems like the jury is asking good questions, they are.

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Speaker 4: Going in order, and they are making progress.

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Speaker 1: By the end of the third day, we'll have a verdict.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now. Special guest Rob Shooter, host of not Ay.

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Speaker 2: But Nice podcast and you can find him at robshooter

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Speaker 2: dot substack dot com and former publicist for Sean Comes.

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Speaker 2: When I say, did he's loving it, don't you know?

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Speaker 2: He just told his mom in court Relax, don't worry

442
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: it's gonna be okay, It's all gonna be all right.

443
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Speaker 1: What does he know that I don't know?

444
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Speaker 4: He did.

445
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 6: He is loving this year, absolutely right, Nancy, about that.

446
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 6: He's loving all the attention. He's loving that everybody is

447
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 6: talking about him. And I've been saying this now for

448
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks. The mood within the camp, within

449
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 6: Team didd he is that this has worked. His strategy,

450
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Speaker 6: which was his strategy, not his lawyers, it has worked.

451
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 6: If he pulls this off, he will feel invincible. And

452
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 6: at the moment, he's feeling pretty damn good. Nancy.

453
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Speaker 2: What do you make of his casual air in the

454
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Speaker 2: courtroom speaking with his mother. It's not like he has

455
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Speaker 2: put his family first in life.

456
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: We know that. So what does this mean?

457
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to decipher what I'm seeing, what I know

458
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Speaker 2: to be happening.

459
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Speaker 1: What does it mean he's all chill and no mistay,

460
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: saying hey, hey, hey, hey, it's going to be all right.

461
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Speaker 1: You'll see. What the hey? Does he know that? We

462
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: don't know? Does he know that.

463
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Speaker 2: One of the girrars is on his side? Have they

464
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Speaker 2: made some kind of eye contact or some other kind

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Speaker 2: of contact. I don't know about you stated that did.

466
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Speaker 2: He orchestrates everything, so if this happens, if he pulls

467
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Speaker 2: this off, it will be his own orchestration.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, if he pulls this off, he will feel like

469
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 6: he is the king of the world. And at the moment, Nanci,

470
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Speaker 6: We've got to be honest. Your viewers are not going

471
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Speaker 6: to want to hear this. But things are not going

472
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Speaker 6: smoothly as the prosecution thought they would. He all along

473
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 6: knew the power of celebrity. He sat there, he listened,

474
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Speaker 6: He showed them he could be Diddy when he wanted

475
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Speaker 6: to show off. He pretended to be humble when he

476
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 6: felt like he needed to be humble. He feels as

477
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Speaker 6: if the plan is really working now. Let me do

478
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Speaker 6: point out though, as somebody who knows Diddy, he's always

479
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 6: been very confident. Some people would say over confident. I've

480
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 6: been at TV shows, I've been at a press events

481
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Speaker 6: with Diddy where everybody is pulling their hair out, worried

482
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Speaker 6: about the type of questions or exposure or coverage he's.

483
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Speaker 8: Going to get.

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Speaker 6: He's always chilled. I was backstaged with him at his

485
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Speaker 6: big first fashion show, Sean John, which was millions and

486
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Speaker 6: millions of dollars riding on this product, riding on this show. Everybody,

487
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Speaker 6: the investors, the publicists, the marketing team, the stylists. We

488
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 6: were all running around pulling out of a hair and

489
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Speaker 6: he was really chilled. He sat and he got chilled.

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Speaker 6: He told me once, the more noise, the louder it gets,

491
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 6: the quieter he gets. And so I think that's what

492
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 6: he's doing now, is keeping it inside. He's thinking this through.

493
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 6: He's calming down his family, his friends, which is a

494
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 6: role that he likes to do. He likes to be

495
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Speaker 6: the boss. And so at the moment, Nancy, he's feeling

496
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 6: pretty good. And as somebody who knows him, Nancy, his instincts,

497
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 6: unfortunately are often right.

498
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Speaker 4: I still think did he is bringing the hot sheel?

499
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Speaker 6: He certainly likes to win and have things his own way.

500
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: I know he's looking at that jewelry like an audience.

501
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 6: He's been on stage and he knows what it's like

502
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Speaker 6: to lose an audience. Now he's sitting in this courtroom,

503
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 6: and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy,

504
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 6: he can tell that this just is not working.

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Speaker 1: Did he loving it?

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Speaker 2: Disorder in the court there apparently is Ajror feud, which

507
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: very often leads to a mistrial a hung jury. Let

508
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Speaker 2: it not be so in this case, sex attack victims

509
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Speaker 2: all over the world watching this trial. Adjoining me now

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Speaker 2: is doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate Warden, MDC in Brooklyn,

511
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Speaker 2: former Senior Warden with the US Department of Justice, the

512
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Speaker 2: author of Who Are You See It?

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Speaker 1: Say It Sees It?

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Speaker 2: And president of a New Daylight Foundation, Doctor Dwayne Hendrix,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Hendrix, thank you for being with us. Question, if

516
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Speaker 2: he is convicted, why does it come, just stay where

517
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Speaker 2: he is and serve his sentence there.

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Speaker 1: So, yes, there is.

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Speaker 11: A possibility that an inmate could serve their sentence at

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Speaker 11: a metropolitan attendan center or a federal detention center across

521
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Speaker 11: the country, but that would be based on the crimes

522
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Speaker 11: that they're convicted of in the amount of time that

523
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Speaker 11: they're given. So inmates can serve a sentence less than

524
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Speaker 11: at ten years or less at a minimum security prison

525
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Speaker 11: or in a metropolitan or a federal detention center as

526
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Speaker 11: what we call kind of like camp status or trustee status. However,

527
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Speaker 11: based on the type of crime that mister Combs is

528
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Speaker 11: being tried for, and if he's convicted of these sex offenses.

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Speaker 11: More than likely he will serve his time depending on

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Speaker 11: which charges that he is convicted of, either at a

531
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Speaker 11: high security, a medium security, or a low security facility.

532
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Speaker 11: Based on these being sex crimes, more than likely, he'll

533
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Speaker 11: be recommended for a sex offended management program. And there

534
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Speaker 11: are three specific facilities across the country that are that

535
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Speaker 11: house inmates for this particular program. The high security institution

536
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Speaker 11: is usp United States Penitentiary and Tucson, Arizona. The medium

537
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Speaker 11: facility is the Federal Correction Institution in Marianna, Florida, and

538
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Speaker 11: the low security Sex Defender Management program is held at

539
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Speaker 11: Federal Christian Institution in Inglewood, Colorado.

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Speaker 2: Manage his sex offender problem. Manage it, doctor Bethny Marshall.

541
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Speaker 2: I need a shrink and a drink, but says I

542
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: don't drink. I'll have to settle for you. Manage his

543
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Speaker 2: sex predatory problem.

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Speaker 10: What is he saying, Nancy, He may continue offending in jail.

545
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Speaker 8: You may not want to put him out in general.

546
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Speaker 10: Population or around other people. He offended allegedly with minors, women, men,

547
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Speaker 10: anyone he could get his hands on, Nancy. I mean,

548
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 10: this guy's was a prolific offender. You think he's going

549
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 10: to stop just because he's behind bars. Wasn't there some

550
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 10: rumor that he was trying to engage with female inmates

551
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 10: through the events or the greats? You know, he has

552
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 10: set such a power structure in his life, as Rob's

553
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 10: shooter was beautifully describing, He's going to create the same

554
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 10: power instruction with his fellow inmates.

555
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Speaker 8: So that's what's going to have to be monitored.

556
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: Bethany, can I just stop you right there, all the

557
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: gibberish that you and Hendricks are spounding right now, no

558
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: offense manage his sex predatory problem. That day is over.

559
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: It's time for him to go to jail, right Okay.

560
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: He has had decades to manage his problem, but he

561
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: didn't manage his problem.

562
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: In other words, stop what he was doing. He was

563
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: having a free cough up to the night he was arrested.

564
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Isn't that true?

565
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: Cidy Summer, Even knowing these charges were pending, what a

566
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: seawan comms do? He goes to New York as the

567
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: charges are pending, and he knows this, and he prepares

568
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: this beautiful hotel suite for another freak cough.

569
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Speaker 1: He's not managing anything.

570
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Speaker 7: Cont hotel room in New York on the day of

571
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Speaker 7: his The rest led investigators to believe that he was

572
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 7: staying there with the woman in A lot of the

573
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 7: materials seen in that hotel room were the same things

574
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 7: that he requested for freakoffs in the past with both

575
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 7: Jane and Cathy Ventura. There was mood lighting, there was drugs,

576
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 7: there was baby oil and astroglide. It looked like he

577
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 7: was primed to host another freakoff in the days leading

578
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Speaker 7: us to his arrival.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: I mean, really, if a feeling federal indictment for sex

581
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Speaker 2: trafficking won't help you manage your problem, In other words,

582
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: stop it? What will no offense, Doctor Dwayne Hendricks. But

583
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Speaker 2: I you know, I got a call foul on everything

584
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: that you just said about managing a problem. He is

585
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: the problem. But here's another question, doctor Hendrix. If he

586
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Speaker 2: is convicted. If he is convicted, how long would it

587
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: take for times to be shipped to his knee forever home.

588
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 11: Typically, once an inmates is sentenced, the US Marshals will

589
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 11: send over their packet with the judgment and commitment order

590
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 11: along with the precenterged report to the designation and sentenced

591
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Speaker 11: Computation Center in Grand Prairie, Texas, and typically they take

592
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 11: about thirty forty five days to create a designation for

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Speaker 11: that for a particular inmate. But since mister Colmbs is

594
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 11: a high profile inmate, I'm sure he will be on

595
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Speaker 11: the priority list to get him out of MDC as

596
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Speaker 11: soon as possible, So he'll probably be designated, probably within

597
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Speaker 11: thirty days of his sentencing if convicted, and more than

598
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Speaker 11: likely he'll be moved on. Once designated. I'm sure the

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Speaker 11: staff at MDC will probably be calling again the Designation

600
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Speaker 11: and Competation Center to reach out to their transportation folks

601
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Speaker 11: to get him on an airline lift to his designated

602
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Speaker 11: facility as soon as practical.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Henry, speaking of transport, how would comes be transported?

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Speaker 11: So inmates are transported to a site for an airlift,

605
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 11: more than likely, since he's at MDC Brooklyn, the marshals

606
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 11: will pick him up. They'll take him to an underclosed

607
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Speaker 11: site for the flight, and he'll fly on the Marshall's

608
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 11: plane we call him airlifts, and more than likely he'll

609
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Speaker 11: be transferred depending on where he's headed, but more than

610
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Speaker 11: likely he'll probably spend a few days at the Federal

611
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Speaker 11: Transfer Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and then move to

612
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Speaker 11: his designated facility from there or another federal transfer or

613
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 11: not federal transfer but Federal detention center or metropolitan Detention

614
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Speaker 11: center en route to the facility that he's designated to.

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Speaker 11: So he will be on a plane, handcuffed, martin chain,

616
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Speaker 11: black boxed along with several other inmates.

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Speaker 1: And unlike the private flights.

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Speaker 11: That he's been used to taking with first class service,

619
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Speaker 11: this will not be that. So that will be how

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Speaker 11: he'd be transported to his new facility.

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Speaker 2: We are on a verdict watch here at Crime Stories

622
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Speaker 2: as apparently a feud has developed behind closed doors in

623
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Speaker 2: the jury deliberation room.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Sydney Summer.

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Speaker 2: Joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter on the case from

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Speaker 2: the get go Sidney Summer.

627
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Speaker 1: What have been the questions?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: We know the first one, after about an.

630
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Speaker 2: Hour plus of deliberations was hey, one juror refuses to

631
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Speaker 2: follow the facts of the law.

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Speaker 1: What happened after.

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Speaker 7: That, Well, there was another note and that had a

634
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Speaker 7: legal question jurors requestioning what exactly is drug distribution? Asking

635
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Speaker 7: if somebody asks for drugs and somebody else delivers drugs

636
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Speaker 7: to the request, is that drug distribution now prosecutors wanted

637
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Speaker 7: to write down yes, but the judge ultimately just read

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Speaker 7: back a portion of the original jury instructions to the

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Speaker 7: jury this morning before they were sent back to the

640
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Speaker 7: deliberation room. And the next question that we heard today

641
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 7: was wanting to review witness transcript again. So they asked

642
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 7: specifically for Kathie's testimony for three different days, so the

643
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Speaker 7: Intercontinental Hotel incident, the incident at the Cans Film Festival

644
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Speaker 7: where Sean Combs kicked her off of the yacht without

645
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Speaker 7: her passport, without shoes for hours, and third in relation

646
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Speaker 7: to any three cots with Daniel Phillips, and they said,

647
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Speaker 7: if any if there's any testimony regarding Daniel Phillips from

648
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Speaker 7: Kazi Ventura, we want to hear that. And then they

649
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 7: also asked for Daniel Phillips testimony in regard to the

650
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Speaker 7: incident where there was a freak off homes yelled at

651
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 7: Cas because she didn't come to him quick enough, took

652
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Speaker 7: her in another room and Philip could hear Colmb's slapping

653
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Speaker 7: Cafie behind a closed door before they came back out,

654
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Speaker 7: and Combs instructed them to resume the freak off. So

655
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Speaker 7: these are the things that they're asking for, and it

656
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: really seems that they are arguing over this sex trafficking

657
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 7: charge coming to Cafie.

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Speaker 2: Well another issue to Robert Crispin, former DEA Crispin, if

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Speaker 2: they want to know, if you hand drugs to someone

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Speaker 2: that asked for it, is that distribution.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the law is clear that that is distribution.

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Speaker 8: Of course, it is possession of drugs for the guy

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Speaker 8: who takes it as well. And if we back it.

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Speaker 1: Up and go further where the guy who gave it to.

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Speaker 8: Diddy, we get the guy who gave that to his dealer,

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Speaker 8: then we get that guy for a distribution. I want

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Speaker 8: to keep going down the pike back to the mother load.

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Speaker 8: We'll take everyone for conspiracy. So yes, looks like they're

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Speaker 8: looking at the drug charges, which I kind of like.

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Speaker 8: I do like that part.

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Speaker 2: Verry Fattus, a veteran trial lawyer joining us out of Colorado,

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Speaker 2: founding partner of oigner of Fattus Elite Legal Eric.

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Speaker 1: If he goes down on a.

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Speaker 2: Single charge, yes it's a split verdict, is a victory

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Speaker 2: of sorts for the defense.

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Speaker 1: But on any charge he's going to do at least

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Speaker 1: ten that's questionable.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure about that. So certainly the rico charge

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Speaker 8: carries up to his whole life. That's incredibly serious. Sex

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Speaker 8: traves king same thing up to his entire life in prison. However,

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Speaker 8: the most provable charge here is probably the least serious.

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Speaker 8: That's the intersafe prostitution charge. Now it does carry up

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Speaker 8: to ten years, but the judge has discretion here. Nancy

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Speaker 8: and the judge could look at different guidelines and factors

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Speaker 8: and decide whether whether the max is appropriate or whether

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Speaker 8: time served is appropriate. There's no mandatory minimum here for

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Speaker 8: that fadus.

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Speaker 2: We all know about departures upward and downward departures. In

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Speaker 2: the federal sentencing there are mandatory sentences, but the judge

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Speaker 2: can look at the facts and say, hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: fill in the blank. I think you should have more time,

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Speaker 2: or I think you should have less time.

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Speaker 1: So take off your defense hat.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get real for one minute. Just try you

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Speaker 2: really think this judge that has heard all this evidence

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Speaker 2: would give a downward departure at the federal sentencing guidelines, really,

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Speaker 2: because I don't see it if Seawn comes walks on

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Speaker 2: other charges.

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Speaker 1: But let's just pick a charge. Let's go with drugs

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Speaker 1: and let's just pick that.

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Speaker 2: Although I think clearly they proved that he brought in

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Speaker 2: sex workers across state lines for illegal purposes, that being prostitution.

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Speaker 2: It's really clear. Okay, let's go with that one. You're right,

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Speaker 2: that's the best one proved so far. You really think

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Speaker 2: that after all this judge is heard, he would give

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Speaker 2: a lighter sentence because I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 8: You know, the judge is going to look at a

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Speaker 8: number of factors, including a lack of.

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Speaker 1: Criminal history and polarized.

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Speaker 8: So I think it's it's possible, based on how polarizing

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Speaker 8: this case has been, different interpretations.

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Speaker 2: Indivable, that the judge is going to go, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't believe any of all those weeks of testimony,

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Speaker 2: so I'm going to give him a lighter sentence.

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Speaker 1: You really really think? And what universe is that going

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Speaker 1: to happen?

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Speaker 8: The judge might say, Hey, the jury didn't believe the testimony.

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Speaker 8: They're the ultimate fact finder here and I'm going to

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Speaker 8: defer to their decision on this, And on top of that,

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Speaker 8: Diddy has been through the ringer and if he is

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Speaker 8: found not guilty on those more serious counts, the judge

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Speaker 8: might say, hey, this or that.

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Speaker 1: Has been enough for you.

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Speaker 2: Glynshaw, did you hear that Fattas says Diddy has been

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Speaker 2: through the ringer?

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Speaker 9: I mean really, I mean really, how dare you say

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Speaker 9: that when we have thousands and thousand of these alleged victims,

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Speaker 9: survivors of Ditty who's talking about them being put through

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Speaker 9: the ringer? Nobody understands this is a life sentence now

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Speaker 9: for them with trauma. This is what nobody is really understanding.

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Speaker 9: I'm tired of all the focus. I don't care he's

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Speaker 9: sitting there. If this guy, if I had my way,

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Speaker 9: I'd put him out in the desert. He'd have to

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Speaker 9: wear that white towel for the rest of his life,

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Speaker 9: and he'd be the only one in his own ditty prison.

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Speaker 9: Because you know who's in prison right now, all of

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Speaker 9: these victims. And I want to remind everybody there were

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Speaker 9: men also.

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Speaker 4: We didn't hear about it.

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Speaker 1: I always heard.

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Speaker 9: I don't have proof, but I always heard there were

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Speaker 9: male victims of ditties as well. I also heard about miners.

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Speaker 9: That's what I heard. Again, I don't have proof. We

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Speaker 9: didn't hear about any of this so put through the ringer.

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Speaker 9: Please wash your mouth out with soap before we do

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Speaker 9: it for you. Don't don't refer to him as anything

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Speaker 9: except triple D, dirty ditty, degenerate because he's a horrible monster.

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Speaker 1: Washes her mouth and then boil his lips.

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Speaker 2: As we wait for a verdict in the Shawn Combs

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Speaker 2: sex trafficking trial, we stopped to remember an American hero,

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Speaker 2: Detective Gregory Farency of the Tera Haut p D. Fifty three,

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Speaker 2: shot in the line of duty and killed, survived by

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Speaker 2: two children, Nicholas and Peyton. American hero Detective Gregory Farancy

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,