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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up, Drake Fire by Am. It's me Jason McIntyre,

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Speaker 2: Straight oh Yer for Thursday, January the twenty ninth, Big

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Speaker 2: big news in the NBA yesterday. It's so goofy how

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Speaker 2: this beianness is handling this. According to Sham's Janis is

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Speaker 2: ready for a new home, so clearly no demand of

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Speaker 2: a trade. It's just so embarrassing. We'll get to that shortly.

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Speaker 2: But Rob g had a few minutes to grace us

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Speaker 2: with his presence. He's so busy producing all these radio shows,

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Speaker 2: so busy with two kids, now his howls, so he's

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Speaker 2: got a lot going on. So he didn't get to

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Speaker 2: weigh in on the Bill Belichick story. And it's so

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Speaker 2: funny because after I recorded yesterday, I woke up this

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Speaker 2: morning and then you know, Troy Aikman had chimed in.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson was coming off the rope. People were doing

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Speaker 2: the rounds essentially campaigning, campaigning for Bill Belichick, the second

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Speaker 2: winningest coach in NFL history, who had the most Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl wins of any coach in NFL history. And I

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Speaker 2: keep hearing these really just uninteresting takes well, this guy

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Speaker 2: had to wait, this guy had to wait Belichick and wait,

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Speaker 2: uh huh. Belichick accomplished more than all those guys, some

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Speaker 2: of them combined. When you want to tell me, well,

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Speaker 2: Don Shula and this guy, Okay, Don Chulo was great. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're the super Bowls to back it up, Belichick won them.

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Speaker 2: And so ultimately a lot of this comes down to

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Speaker 2: are you in the craft first Belichick camp, or are

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Speaker 2: you in this is a penalty slash tax for the

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Speaker 2: cheating in Spygate. And I'll remind people Tom Brady was

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Speaker 2: suspended or to Flay Kate, he wouldn't co operate, so

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Speaker 2: they suspended him for four games. Best I can tell,

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Speaker 2: Belichick and the Patriots they cooperated and Belichick got zero

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Speaker 2: games for Spygate. And then you see guys like Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 2: a very successful co Cowboys coach, coming out and saying, well,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people recorded stuff. You know, A they

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. You know, I get that. It's not

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Speaker 2: a great look. But again, we're talking about a league

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Speaker 2: where signs stealing happens everywhere. It happens in baseball. Did

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Speaker 2: the Astros push the envelope? Yeah they did. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about sign steeling in college football. Everybody does it. Did

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Speaker 2: a fake mustache and all this shadiness? Yeah? Is that

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Speaker 2: crossing the line?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I don't know where Belichick falls in that. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it's as bad as everybody's making it out

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Speaker 2: to be. Is it bad? Yes? Is it the worst

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Speaker 2: the NFL thought it was the worst thing, they would

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Speaker 2: have just spent it him for a year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: did they think he was a serial cheater? I don't

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Speaker 2: know so. Rob g obviously you've got, you know, boots

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Speaker 2: on the ground, you got your ear to the ground.

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Speaker 2: You know exactly what the streets are talking about. You

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Speaker 2: work with like one of the biggest haters, Rob Parker.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Rob won't have me on his show

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Speaker 2: because I climbed him so many times. I know he's

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Speaker 2: and then I'm like, oh, come on the show, let's

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Speaker 2: talk about it. It's not happening. But he's like a

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Speaker 2: big time Belichick hater. He would even put him in

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, which is obviously goofy and extreme.

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Speaker 2: There is a middle ground, but unfortunately, in this current climate,

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Speaker 2: shall we say sports political, there is no middle ground. Rob,

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Speaker 2: There's no Well, it's either he's in, he's out, he cheated,

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Speaker 2: he didn't. Where do you fall.

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Speaker 4: Well, first off, you're at it to a list of

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Speaker 4: people that Rob will not allow on the show. So

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Speaker 4: there we've done an entire segment that there is a

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Speaker 3: And then that's a.

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Speaker 4: Different conversation all together, this Bill Belichick thing. Full disclosure,

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Speaker 4: if I had a Hall of Fame vote, I would

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Speaker 4: have voted for Bill Belichick. And I hate the Patriots,

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Speaker 4: even as a Raider fan. I do not like Tom

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Speaker 4: You cannot tell the story of the NFL without Bill Belichick. However,

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Speaker 4: the cheating. That is going to be on his obituary,

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Speaker 4: By the way, he was also received the largest fine

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Speaker 3: It's on there. And my question that I have.

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Speaker 4: For you and I have for America, I guess at

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Speaker 4: large is again, even if I would vote for him,

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Speaker 4: the ones who have had said that they were in

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Speaker 4: Even if I disagree with you, I understand it, right,

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Speaker 4: Like there's a lot of things in life, I disagree,

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Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame, and he tweeted out on

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Speaker 4: Wednesday early morning, because he's you know, he's an older guy.

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Speaker 4: He's up like at the butt crack of don so

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Speaker 4: A couple of things really surprised me today. You know,

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Speaker 4: Belichick not getting into the Hall of Fame surprised me,

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Speaker 4: most of the complicy coach. By far, the league has

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Speaker 4: ever seen a no brainer first ballot guy as we've

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Speaker 4: ever had. Okay, I look forward to hearing from the

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Speaker 4: voters who did not vote for him and why totally reasonable.

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Speaker 4: Here's the second part. I'm also surprised how flippantly so

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Speaker 4: many competitors, players and coaches address the cheating scandals. I

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Speaker 4: have no idea what really happened to the extent, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: Thing to me. It's what makes sports great, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy to me how many disregard it and view

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Speaker 4: without being called a hater. Without being called unreasonable, without

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. Let's drill down on the word

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Speaker 2: cheating here. So Seth Wickersham, who's been on the pod

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Speaker 2: many times. He part of he broke this story on

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Speaker 2: Belichick not being a First Bowel Hall of Famer friend

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Speaker 2: of the show is what's that he's a friend of

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Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Good guy. And he

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Speaker 2: wrote a book about Spygate and interviewed Mike Shanahan, who

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Speaker 2: his book, an excerpt, Roger Goodell was fishing around about

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Speaker 2: like this whole like videotaping. The Patriots had accrued seven

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Speaker 2: years of taping their opponents. So Goodell called Shanahan, and

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Speaker 2: I'm disappointed in myself. Here's Shanahan continues, Roger, First of all,

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Speaker 2: And then Godell says, well, you know, taping that that's

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Speaker 2: most and argued taping signals was worth the risk because

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Speaker 2: there was no precedent for punishment. If nobody knew what

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Speaker 2: the penalty was for crossing the line, why not cross

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Speaker 2: long time. So we call it cheating. But there was

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Speaker 2: nothing in the rules about punishment for videotaping opponents. So

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Speaker 2: you call it cheating based on that, is that cheating?

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Speaker 4: So that's partly true based on what Kyle or Kyle

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Speaker 4: Shannan Mike Shanahan had said, because I believe if my

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Speaker 4: two thousand and six, because I'm assuming by then Gooddll

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Speaker 3: You cannot do this.

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Speaker 4: You can only record from this location, is gonna be

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Speaker 4: Goodell goes down there, they destroy the the eight videotapes

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 4: I understand the Shanahan's point whether if there's no precedent

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Speaker 4: for it, we don't know what the punishment is, then

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Speaker 4: And so you know, we can go down to various sports.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the Astros and banging the trash can. If

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Speaker 4: I recall there was no rule against banging a trash can.

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Speaker 4: When it came to stealing signs, the rule was that

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Speaker 4: they had the electronic buzzer they were sign that kind

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Speaker 4: of stuff was was Bush pushing the line? You know

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Speaker 4: what Michigan Football was doing. You know, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to throw like slander these guys, but Fox personalities, Brady Quinn,

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Speaker 4: Joe Klatt, their list goes out to think of them

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Speaker 4: because I watched Fox the most, so that's the guys

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Speaker 4: The one issue that I had it and if wherever

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's incorrect. But if what you're

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Speaker 4: saying is true, Brady, did Nick Saban steal signs like this?

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Speaker 3: Joel? Did Kirby Smart steal signs like this?

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know. But that's what I'm saying is

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Speaker 2: if your argument is everybody's doing it, then I need

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Speaker 2: you to tell me who's doing it. What about don't

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Speaker 2: afraid to say who's doing it because it's obviously you

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Speaker 2: don't think it's that big of a deal.

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Speaker 2: Does it also apply to the allegedly paying players in

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Speaker 2: the SEC? The bagman? Sure, some of it wasn't proven,

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Speaker 2: his downs to Southeast Yannas ain't doing that. But this

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Speaker 2: Now here's the interesting thing. Rob I said on the

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Speaker 2: get Look at Kevin Costner's career arc. Okay, he was

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to work with him. He's a jerk, he's

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Speaker 2: You just gotta roll with the punches. Who cares if

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Speaker 2: that stench from that Cleveland. He ended up going back

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Speaker 2: coming back from down three to one against the seventy

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Speaker 2: like Giannis a lot. I don't like that he's so

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Speaker 4: You're so right you can't turn left right now, Jmac, Like,

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Speaker 4: this is something that you've been saying for years. This

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Speaker 4: But I could not agree with you more. This whole

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Speaker 4: But it's like, BRO, make a decision. This whole passive aggressive, like, hey,

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Speaker 4: I can't tell you. You know that guy go day by day.

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Speaker 4: It's like you know exactly what they're asking you. Bro,

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Speaker 4: They're asking you, Yannis, this team sucks.

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Speaker 3: You know it sucks. We know it sucks.

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Speaker 4: You've made it very clear four years that your only

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Speaker 4: ask out? Are you going to ask out yes or no?

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Speaker 4: Cause no matter what you say, I promise you, there's

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Speaker 3: You cannot avoid that. And I think that maybe it's him.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's a European player thing where they're so used

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Speaker 4: I am staying with Milwaukee for the rest of the season.

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Speaker 2: Here's the weird part. It's a tough trade for the

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Speaker 2: what Phoenix got in return for Kevin Durant. Now, Giannis

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Speaker 2: is younger, Giannis is better, but I mean they're not

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Speaker 2: Do you want the Lakers to go after him? Rob?

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Speaker 4: I mean, of course, why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem is you're not going to be able

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Speaker 4: I'm of the belief that you get the stars in place,

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Speaker 2: know my hot take file this away, Rob. Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: will be similar to the warriors seventy three wins. I

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Speaker 4: Now what's funny is is I heard another sports media

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Speaker 3: But my question that you can answer.

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Speaker 4: anywhere you can just drop him into whatever team with

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Speaker 4: whatever players and be competitive.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the new CBA and how it's so

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Speaker 2: difficult to build a team with all the ape, the

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Speaker 2: punitive apron stuff. And so again, if you're giving up

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Speaker 2: Jalen Johnson, wonderful, what do you got Jianness and about

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Speaker 2: I mean, how is that an upgrade over Milwaukee? If

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Speaker 2: you're the Knicks and you're giving up um Center Og,

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Speaker 2: you don't have the best team in the East anymore.

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Speaker 2: The goal is to really do what Houston did and

436
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Speaker 2: not give up an integral piece aka Jalen Green. They

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Speaker 2: don't miss him, give up a lottery pick and then

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Speaker 2: another salary filler. The problem is again KD was what

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Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty seven somewhere in there, and that's just

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any way you can get Yannis

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Speaker 2: that cheap, which is why I keep coming back to OKC.

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Speaker 2: I will say, you know, Austin Reeves would have to

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Speaker 2: be in the package if the Lakers moved on. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they have the enough picks, but you know,

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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves. I don't want to get too racial here,

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Speaker 2: but a white guy in the Midwest, like he would

447
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Speaker 2: hit really hard in motile real, that's real. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he could be your alpha, but you're gonna have,

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Speaker 2: uh possibly if you tank right this way this season,

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Speaker 2: right you you would then have maybe a top five

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Speaker 2: pick to ceiling. The best you could do is too

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Speaker 2: because you can't get one because of the lesser of

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Speaker 2: these two picks. But you know, it could be two,

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Speaker 2: could be four or five six. You get Boozer and

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Speaker 2: you got Austin Reeves and you got Miles Turner and

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Speaker 2: and there's a young guard they got. That's good. Again,

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be an uphill climb. You need picks, and

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Speaker 2: that's why I just I don't know if the Lakers

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Speaker 2: have the ammo to go get him, But who would

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Speaker 2: you rather take, going for Karl Anthony Towns or Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 3: Austin Reeves, I mean, but now I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I should have meend that he's got to get paid

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Speaker 2: this year. He ain't gonna get CAT.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he ain't gonna get CAT money. That's the difference.

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Speaker 3: And I'm mad.

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Speaker 4: I'm one of the guys who will defend cat it

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Speaker 4: on this podcast like a week and a half ago,

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Speaker 4: where it's like, yes he has warts, but everybody has warts,

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Speaker 4: you know they It just seems to be more pronounced

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Speaker 4: because he's on a team with Jalen Brunson, who has

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Speaker 4: similar wards like Luka Doncic, who I believe is the

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Speaker 4: top five player anyway you slice it, has huge defensive wards.

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Speaker 4: But as long as you have two or three other

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Speaker 4: great defenders around him, I'm willing to live with all

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Speaker 4: of it because he is such a dynamic player on offense.

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Speaker 4: And if Towns had a point guard. You know he's

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Speaker 4: hurt now, but like the Jontay Murray is a good

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Speaker 4: point of attack point guard, Jalen Suggs is a good

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Speaker 4: point of attack point guard in Orlando. If that was

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Speaker 4: your point guard and they got the offense from onever

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Speaker 4: the wing guys or whatever, then you wouldn't be so

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Speaker 4: worried about Carl and the town's being a bad defender

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Speaker 4: because he's the only one in said they got to

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Speaker 4: cover up for two guys and it makes them, you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of a sieve sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Oh shoot you you just hit me with something you

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Speaker 2: said to Orlando magic of Jalen Suggs. I did notice

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Speaker 2: they've been scuffling a bit. Okay, A lot of people

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Speaker 2: you and I I think had them making a deep

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Speaker 2: run in the East, like top three in the East,

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Speaker 2: top four. I mean, they're a five hundred playing team

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Speaker 2: right now. Rob Now, they have had some injuries on

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Speaker 2: the books next season Bogner at forty one, Bayne at

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Speaker 2: thirty nine, Sugs at thirty two, Powlo ban Cao at

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Speaker 2: forty one. So that's three guys making over thirty two million.

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Speaker 2: Then you have Jonathan Isaac and Wendell Carter. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: hm Florida taxes the potential. Like I know, everybody loves

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Speaker 2: bn Cao, he hasn't really delivered. They like this kid,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Black, the young guard who's playing really well. Is

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Speaker 2: there a world where you dangle Polo bang Caro and

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe Jonathan Isaac. I know he's always heard,

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Speaker 2: so that's kind of silly. Maybe Wendell Carter, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: in exchange for Giannis with picks, of course, because ben

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Speaker 2: Caro's supposed to be a foundational player, rob he he

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Speaker 2: hasn't been that this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Franz Poolo pairing is not working out the

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Speaker 4: way that people hoped it would because I think individually,

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Speaker 4: both of the guys have shown that they're good enough to,

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Speaker 4: you know, not carry, but to lead a a strong

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Speaker 4: team for stretches. But the two of them together do

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Speaker 4: not compliment each other in a way that it would

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Speaker 4: take you to the next level. So if you are

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Speaker 4: Orlando and you already gave up five first round picks

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Speaker 4: whatever it was for Desmond Baine, you know what's to

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Speaker 4: stop you from saying, hey, we might as well push

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Speaker 4: all in here for the next two or three years,

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Speaker 4: and say Yannis and one of those two guys, and

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Speaker 4: we have the two guards. We have one guy who's

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Speaker 4: a shooter in Baine, one guy who is a great

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Speaker 4: you know, one healthy three in d Garden in Suggs.

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Speaker 4: Like we can make some noise in a water down

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Speaker 4: Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 2: Of course, by the way, in player efficiency rating, ben

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Speaker 2: Caro is seventy sixth geesh in the league. Now it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I forgot they gave up a lot for Baines, so

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Speaker 2: you don't really have picks. But I don't know, Rob,

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Speaker 2: if you're in Milwaukee, you want a quick turnaround, you

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Speaker 2: get ben Caro and you have this top ten pick

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Speaker 2: who should be a good player. And Yannis, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Janis Wagner, bain and Suggs is really freaking strong. He

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Speaker 2: stays in the East, which is weaker. This could actually

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not as low on ben Caro as

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Speaker 2: everyone else is. He's really good. He just hasn't, like

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Speaker 2: you said, new coach, bit of a rough fit. His

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Speaker 2: shooting percentage is as high as it's ever been fifty

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Speaker 2: six percent. His assists are are way up. Usage rate

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Speaker 2: is down, and that's what's kind of hurting the counting stats.

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Speaker 3: And they can't shoot in Orlando, that's their problem.

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Speaker 4: Like if either Franz or Paolo could shoot at a

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Speaker 4: respectable rate, it's a totally different conversation. And so if

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna make one of those is gonna become

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Speaker 4: a great shooter, then it would be understandable why you'd

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Speaker 4: rather turn one of them into just a better version

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Speaker 4: of that player, which ganis is, like Gianni's is the

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Speaker 4: Pinnacle Apex version of whatever those two guys are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at his playoff series against Boston last year. Okay,

547
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Speaker 2: remember he was twenty two years old. He averaged twenty nine,

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Speaker 2: eight and four. He did shoot forty four percent on

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Speaker 2: the three, which might have been an outlier as he's

550
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Speaker 2: not doing that. But against Boston, now they had Tatum

551
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Speaker 2: and Brown at the time, remember this was before Tatum

552
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Speaker 2: got hurt. Ben Caro went for thirty six and eleven,

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Speaker 2: thirty two, nine and seven. In the win, he had

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Speaker 2: twenty nine. Then he went for thirty one and in

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Speaker 2: the closeout game they got smoked by a billion, he

556
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Speaker 2: had nineteen nine and six. I think Palo ben Caro

557
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Speaker 2: could be the most interesting individual stud that the Bucks

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Speaker 2: could get. He's better than Reeves. Obviously, he's better than Kat.

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Speaker 2: Who else? What other stud could could Milwaukee get in return?

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Speaker 3: Depends how you feel about Shangoon. Oh, I'm not.

561
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Speaker 2: Oh, I like Shagon. Oh. That's a tough one, because.

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Speaker 4: When you acquire a thirty seven year old Kevin Durant,

563
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: you know, the timeline gets accelerated.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one way or another.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Kris Truck Robgy. We are back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and then next week. Obviously all these football requests are

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Speaker 2: coming in. We'll be doing a lot leading up to

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. See you then,