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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know Friendhouse Stuff Works dot com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles

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Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry, and Chuck's got a noise machines.

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Speaker 1: It was could turn into like Morning Zoo type episode. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna use it. It's a lame one. It

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Speaker 1: is pretty lame. Like is it marked? What does it do?

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Speaker 1: How many different functions does they have? Chuck down two

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Speaker 1: three four one two three four five, that would be

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Nice job. You just use multiplications, right, But

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Speaker 1: like I said when I first sat down, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: even have a fark sound. So how good of a

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Speaker 1: noise machine could it be? How does it not? It's

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Speaker 1: got a burp? I mean they make sound machines. They

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Speaker 1: just have that sound. Well, yeah, it's called a whoopie cushion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a machine though probably not. Okay, device,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I said this stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: in case you hadn't figured it out. Well, someone just

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Speaker 1: stumbled upon this and they're horrified. They turned it off

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Speaker 1: a good minute ago. Yeah, and we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: alcoholism and there's nothing more fun than that, right, This

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Speaker 1: one should be a laugh riot. Right, Well, you can

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Speaker 1: definitely perk things up with your little noise machine over there.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. Uh, so alcoholism, Chuck turns out,

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Speaker 1: in researching this, um, we should say, let us shout

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Speaker 1: out to some previous episodes that really tie into this totally.

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Speaker 1: We did prohibition. Colin turns out America really loves to drink.

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Speaker 1: That was one episode we did addiction, Yeah, good one. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And we did one on rehab yep, another good one. Um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then if you want to count like beer, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the booze ones or I think we did one on moonshine,

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Speaker 1: we did one on and Whiskey Runners. Do we do

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Speaker 1: one on Whiskey Runners? We ended up doing like two

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Speaker 1: somehow on Whiskey Runners. Yeah? What else? Oh, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there are others, but I think the ones on addiction

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Speaker 1: and rehab definitely factor in. Indeed so um. In running

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Speaker 1: across this though, I was reminded that yes, America loves drinking,

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Speaker 1: the world does, but not necessarily. I saw a statistic

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Speaker 1: that blew me away. Sixties six percent of the human

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Speaker 1: beings over age. I believe fifteen worldwide have not had

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Speaker 1: a drink in the last twelve months, according to a

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Speaker 1: major survey like World Health Organization Type level survey. I

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Speaker 1: don't remember where I saw it because I saw so

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Speaker 1: many different statistics here there, but like, the majority of

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Speaker 1: the population of the Earth has not had a drink

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Speaker 1: in the last twelve months. Interesting. Yeah, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was interesting too. And of course there's entire countries that

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Speaker 1: are basically teetotally, yeah, And there are entire countries that

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Speaker 1: are drunk, right, so, UM in America is definitely one

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Speaker 1: of them. Right, America loves to drink. We drink very regularly.

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Speaker 1: At other countries, they don't drink necessarily during the week,

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Speaker 1: but they really plow into it on the weekends. UM,

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Speaker 1: and all of this falls, it turns out, falls under

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Speaker 1: this umbrella called UM. Alcohol use disorders, binge drinking, alcohol abuse,

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Speaker 1: and alcoholism three different things they are. Although you could

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Speaker 1: say that binge drinking is a type of alcohol abuse,

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Speaker 1: it's a behavioral pattern drinking behavior UM. But yes, alcohol

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Speaker 1: abuse is not necessarily alcoholism, and neither has binge drinking.

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Speaker 1: Alcoholism is its own thing. Yeah, alcohol abuse is if

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Speaker 1: you are drinking, if there's a problem with your drinking. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's affecting your school, your work, your personal life, your family,

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Speaker 1: your friends. You could be an alcohol abuser. Um. Alcoholism

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Speaker 1: is a chronic disease where you are physically dependent on alcohol.

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Speaker 1: You need to drink, You've got to have that drink.

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Speaker 1: Once you start drinking, you have a hard time stopping.

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Speaker 1: You develop a tolerance for drinking, so you need to

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Speaker 1: drink more. And if you stop drinking, you suffer withdrawal symptoms.

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Speaker 1: That's alcoholism, right, And you suffer withdrawal symptoms because, like

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Speaker 1: you said, you've become physically dependent on it. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about how in this episode. But yes, alcohol abuse,

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Speaker 1: that just means you need to get your your act

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Speaker 1: together big time. Sure. Alcoholism a chronic disease. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: means you need medical help. And and beyond medical help

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Speaker 1: psychological help, you need treatment. Yeah. You're probably not going

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Speaker 1: and with alcohol abuse you may need treatment as well.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's different. Uh yeah, Yeah. I don't think we should

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Speaker 1: chase people away from seeking treatment alcohol abusers and not

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Speaker 1: necessarily alcoholics. I think probably if you're a serious abuser

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Speaker 1: to just stop entirely for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily. I mean back in nineteen yes, that was

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Speaker 1: don't have to abstain, although it's still like the model.

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Speaker 1: And again it depends on the person. Some people can

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Speaker 1: do that. Um. Some people can drink socially, uh and

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Speaker 1: never have a problem. Some people can have a problem

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Speaker 1: go back to just drinking socially. And some people need

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Speaker 1: to just they just can't have it anymore. And they

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Speaker 1: know that, you know. And the key is to find

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Speaker 1: out what kind of person you are, you know, Yes,

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Speaker 1: by stopping, that's how you find out. Probably, so you

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Speaker 1: see what happens when you stop, Yeah, exactly. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: are more than seventeen million Americans who are either alcoholic

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Speaker 1: if you have fourteen or more drinks a week as

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Speaker 1: you know why because the National Institutes of Health themselves

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Speaker 1: define moderate drinking as fourteen drinks a week or less

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Speaker 1: States as far as like a couple of beers a night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seems about right to me. It does. And if

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Speaker 1: And it's not like, little lady, do you only get

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Speaker 1: They say that more than Americans have been exposed to

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Speaker 1: reasons everybody's like you shouldn't be an alcoholic. Alcoholism is

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Speaker 1: children of alcoholics cope. Yeah, my grand paternal grandfather was

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Speaker 1: too blackout proportions, um, but that certainly can happen. Uh Psychologically, Um,

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Speaker 1: vitamin that you need. It's an assent a vitamin, meaning

423
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: that you need to get it elsewhere, like you need

424
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: to eat it because your body is either doesn't produce

425
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: or it doesn't produce enough. So UM, with vitamin B

426
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: it helps brain cells UM turn carbs into energy, very important.

427
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: It also helps nerves transmit information, also very important. And

428
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 1: when you have a thiamine deficiency, you can end up

429
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: with what's called UM We're Nikki cors Coughs syndrome where

430
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: basically your brain shrinks, you become confused, disoriented, UM, you

431
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: essentially lose your mind in a lot of ways because

432
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: your brain is no longer able to function correctly or

433
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: communicate with itself, not just while you're drunk overall. Yeah,

434
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: they call it wet brain UH. And there are actually

435
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: two different things that are often described together Wernicke's UH

436
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: and cephalopit and cephalopathy and Corsicov syndrome, but they often

437
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. And one of the scary things

438
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: about this is it's has a very high rate of

439
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: UH being not diagnosed. So like I think only of

440
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: cases are diagnosed before death, and a lot more after

441
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, it turns out they had wet brain.

442
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Nothing you can do about it now. So that is

443
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: certainly also sad as our withdrawal symptoms. If you have

444
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: an actual dependence and you're an alcoholic, when you stop

445
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: drinking um within a day to three days, probably closer

446
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: to a day, UM, you're gonna be experiencing some pretty

447
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: nasty withdrawal syndromes, right. And the reason why is because

448
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: your your brain becomes dependent on alcohol. Right. It basically says, Okay,

449
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna drink all the time. I don't see

450
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: a time when he's ever gonna stop drinking. So I

451
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: need to adjust my output of neurotransmitters to change my

452
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: brain chemistry completely to account for this, this introduction of alcohol.

453
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: Because the body seeks homeostasis, right, this is its way

454
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: of adjusting itself to see homeostasis in the presence, the

455
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: constant presence of alcohol. Um. And so when you remove

456
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: that alcohol, the brains chemistry has been altered over time.

457
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: And now you're probably suddenly removing alcohol and you are

458
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: going to go through withdrawal symptoms and actually people have

459
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: died from acute alcohol withdrawal. Oh, I'm sure where they

460
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: They probably should have weaned themselves off rather than just

461
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: quit drinking cold turkey, because again, the wholemark of alcoholism

462
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: is a physical dependence on it, and that part of

463
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: your your physical dependence is your brain chemistry. Yeah, and

464
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot more more and more people are thinking

465
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: that weaning off is a safer approach. Well, I think

466
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: that's what happened to Amy Winehouse. Like you just quit

467
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: cold turkey and died very quickly. Yeah. Uh. In withdrawal,

468
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna get this be disoriented. Um, you might have hallucinations, nausea, sweating, seizures,

469
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: delirium tremens. The d T s uh actually has the

470
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: same effect as a lot of these hallucinations. Sweating. Your

471
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: heart rate is gonna be funky. You're gonna be shaking

472
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: and shivering. Uh. Just watch Leaving Las Vegas and Aunt

473
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage if you want to be scared away from booze. Yeah,

474
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: that was a tough movie. It was What about when

475
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: a Man Loves a Woman? That was a tough one. Yeah.

476
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Days of Wine and Roses. I never saw that classic.

477
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: I think it was Jack Lemon was an alcoholic in

478
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: that one. Uh twenty eight days, not to be confused,

479
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: twenty days later days that's when Sandra Bullock played a

480
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: zombie a right, right, just kidding, Uh what else? There's

481
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: surely there's more. Oh yeah, it seemed flight. Have you

482
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: seen Flight with Denzel Yeah, that was pretty good. But

483
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: here's a big time alcohol that was shot here in Atlanta. Um,

484
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: yes he was and uh clean and sober, the Michael

485
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Keaton movie. These are all off the top of my head,

486
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: but there've been it's been an off covered subject and

487
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: it's they're usually very tough to watch. Agreed. So let's

488
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: take a break in uh hug each other so we

489
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: can get through the rest of this thing and we'll

490
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about what alcohol does to

491
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: your body and things you can do to uh stop. Yes,

492
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: all right, So we talked a lot about the health

493
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: damage you're going to suffer as an alcoholic. Um in

494
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: the brain. Yeah, internally, you're gonna your liver is gonna

495
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: take a beating. So your kidneys, your heart, your brain,

496
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: your central nervous system, your liver. Actually you can the

497
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: first step two bad alcohol damage is alcoholic hep titus,

498
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: which is inflammation of the liver, and then you have

499
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: about a seventy chance if you have alcoholic hepatitis to

500
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: develop full blown cirrhosis. And that is when a little

501
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: bit by a little bit, your liver just turns into

502
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: scar tissue and it becomes an unusable organ and it

503
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: is nasty if you see pictures of like cirrosis damaged livers. Yeah,

504
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: because again, your your liver while it's metabolizing alcohol turns

505
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: it into acetylale hyde, which is really toxic. Like alcohol

506
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: is toxic, but for some reason, while we process it,

507
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: we turn it into something even more toxic, and the

508
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: liver suffers as a result. Your stomach, the lining of

509
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: the stomach can just get eaten away, and your intestines

510
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: can lead to ulcers and obviously in the moment nausea

511
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: and vomiting your pancreas could lead to pancreatitis and cancer

512
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Yeah, because cancer. Alcohol is a carcinogen

513
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: and exposure over the years by being an alcoholic um

514
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: can result in all a bunch of different alcohol alcoholic

515
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: cancers or what they're called. Like you can get him

516
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: of the throat of the larynx um. You can get

517
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: liver cancer obviously, just from being exposed to alcohol over

518
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: and over again. I had no idea you could get

519
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: cancer from alcohol. It makes sense, but I just never

520
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: thought of as a carcinogen. Uh. If you're over sixty five,

521
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: you're in bigger trouble because your body just doesn't metabolize

522
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: alcohol as well at that point. Um, And like we said,

523
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: men have a little better time metabolizing alcohol than women, right. Um.

524
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I remember that my bar in l A, the drawing room,

525
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: there was this old drunk there. I won't say his

526
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: name because I found out he's still alive. But it

527
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: was just remarkable to me that this guy was alive. Yeah,

528
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean he was into a seventies and just dropped

529
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: dead drunk every single time I saw him. And I

530
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: checked back, and this was in the late nineties, and

531
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: then I was in l A last year. I went

532
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: to the bar asked if he was still around, and

533
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: they said, oh, yeah, he will be here in a

534
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: few hours. Wow. I was like, man, how is he alive?

535
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: Milk thistle? What's that? It's a like it's a I

536
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: think you make a tea out of it or whatever.

537
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: It's a very famous um liver cleanser. Interesting. Maybe he's

538
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: on the milk thistle. Milk thistle and he's eating a

539
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: lot of meat, so he's getting tons of vitamin B.

540
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: That's how that guy is alive. Maybe he was a

541
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: straight vodka guy, which is always a kind of a

542
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: can be an indication. I think that that helps though. Also,

543
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: if I remember from one of our other episodes, like

544
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: the clearer the alcohol usually the fewer the impurities. Maybe

545
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: that's what it is that's keeping him alive, the vodka,

546
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: and he didn't mix it with anything. But I mean,

547
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: look at like Boris Yell. Some people like he was

548
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: old when he died. Yeah, he that knows. It was

549
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: like a cantaloupe the gin blossom, which doesn't necessarily mean

550
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: you're an alcoholic. People take it for that though. Yeah,

551
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's rosation, but alcoholism definitely will. It doesn't

552
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: help the gin blossom situation. Um. And then there's fetal

553
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: alcohol syndrome, which is the saddest thing you can imagine. Yes,

554
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: it sets here that um fete. Fetal alcohol syndrome is

555
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the number one preventable cause of mental impairment. What yeah,

556
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: what Wow, it's pretty amazing. So if you're drinking too much,

557
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: you should't drink at all when you're pregnant. You some

558
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: in Europe there like you can have a glassworm here

559
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: as well too, Like apparently you know, it's it's gained

560
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: acceptance that like you can you can have something occasionally

561
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: or whatever, like wine usually is what they say. Right

562
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: But um, and I realized this article is old, but

563
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: it's specifically says like the Surgeon General is like, do

564
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: not drink while you're pregnant. Well, I think that's the

565
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: fallback recommendation is. I think that if it feels like

566
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: a tricky thing to say, well, you can maybe drink

567
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: this a little bit here and there, I think it's

568
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: easier for them to say just don't drink for nine

569
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: months and and everybody says it's easy for you to say.

570
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: In general, then you have zero chance of any complications

571
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: like this, right, well, at least fetal alcoholic syndrome. Yeah,

572
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: so that's when your your little baby's brain cells are developing, uh,

573
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: informing connections in utero and alcohol explosion there is going

574
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: to disrupt that from the get go and lead to um,

575
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: you can have a physical problems like your head might

576
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:51,959
Speaker 1: be smaller than normal microce, you might have some facial abnormalities. Uh,

577
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: and then later in life you could be in big

578
00:35:54,200 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: trouble as far as cognitive functioning, memory, learning disability. So

579
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's a pretty rough one. And it's all

580
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: because alcohol impedes cellular division during development. Right, So when

581
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: the fetus is exposed to alcohol, which easily crosses the

582
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: placental barrier um the cellular division, it doesn't go according

583
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: to plan. So not good. And again with adoption, that's

584
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: one of the things you have to consider because most

585
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: of these birth mothers have some sort of issue with

586
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol and fetal alcohol syndrome that's the one

587
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: that even the agencies says, like, you don't want to

588
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: mess with that really, Yeah, like do your research on

589
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: drugs and how they affect the baby and you'd probably

590
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: be surprised. Alcohol is worse than unfetal development. Absolutely, yeah,

591
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: it's the worst. Um, yeah, it's pretty it's pretty scary.

592
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: So this number I don't think is right anymore. Eight

593
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: five billion per year in medical expenses. It's either to okay,

594
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: and that's in the United States, and that's crime, lost productivity, accidents,

595
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: medical expenses. The economic impact of alcoholis Yeah, that is

596
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: close to three billion dollars. That's amazing, all right, So

597
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: what can you do? There's a a pot of gold

598
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: at the end of this rainbow. There's a For many,

599
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: many years, there was, um, your only hope was Alcoholics Anonymous,

600
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: not even twelve step programs, specifically Alcoholics Anonymous, which is

601
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: founded in either nineteen thirty or nineteen thirty five. Do

602
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: you remember, Um, there's some pretty great articles about Alcoholics Anonymous,

603
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: and you know it's effectiveness that it's a tributes to

604
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: it just it's this, it's its own thing, and it's

605
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: helped undoubtedly tons of people. Um. But there's been alternatives

606
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: that have developed over the years, but it took a while.

607
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Supposedly it wasn't until like the sixties or seventies that

608
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: alternatives to a a grew up. Um. And some of

609
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: them say, no, you don't need to believe in a

610
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: higher power to get over alcoholism. You can find that

611
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: in yourself. Um. Other people like UM, I think one's

612
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: called moderation management. So you don't have to abstain from life.

613
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: You can try to just you know, become a moderate

614
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: drinker and then if that doesn't work, then yeah, you

615
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: probably should abstain for life. UM and some others say,

616
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: twelve step programs are great, but you could also do

617
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: the same thing with cognitive behavioral therapy UM and so.

618
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: But some sort of treatment program that involves like a

619
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: change in behavior through either twelve steps, support groups, one

620
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: on one counseling. UM. That's the gold standard for treating alcoholism.

621
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: But over the years, especially lately, people have been turning

622
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: more and more to prescription drugs. They become increasingly promising

623
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: as well, especially as we start to learn how genes

624
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: interact with specific drugs. The more we can learn about

625
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: a person genes and how they interact with drugs, the

626
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: more targeted treatment of alcoholism will be. It seems like, yeah,

627
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: this article I found in the New York Times, drugs

628
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: help tailor alcoholism treatment. That the wish is that one

629
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: day they will be able to because everyone's different, like

630
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: we were saying, as far as alcoholism goes, Uh, so

631
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: you can't have one treatment for such a varied group.

632
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Speaker 1: So they're hoping one day to be able to tailor

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Speaker 1: drug treatment programs pharmaceuticals for alcohol treatment the same way

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Speaker 1: they do with depression or anxiety or any mental it's

635
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Speaker 1: like this doesn't work, well, then try this one. That

636
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Speaker 1: one's kind of working. We'll add this one in and

637
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Speaker 1: it's really gonna make it pop, you know. And right

638
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Speaker 1: now I think there are three approved f d A

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Speaker 1: treatments UM. Two of them now chrekzone and i CAM

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Speaker 1: pro sate reduced cravings to drink. And then there's anti

641
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Speaker 1: views which I've heard of for a little while. And

642
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Speaker 1: that's the one that makes you sick when you drink. Yeah,

643
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Speaker 1: that's pretty rough, Like only a drug like that could

644
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Speaker 1: find its roots in purity in America, you know. UM,

645
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Speaker 1: but that mal trek zone. There's a good article about

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Speaker 1: UM in in the Atlantic called The Irrationality of Alcoholics

647
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Speaker 1: Anonymous and the author experiments with mal trek zone and finds,

648
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Speaker 1: like amazingly to her astonishment, like it really works. Yeah,

649
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Speaker 1: it says in't here um in studies and clinical trials

650
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Speaker 1: they found one in seven alcoholics. Uh, it works for

651
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Speaker 1: one and seven alcoholics. Those two now track zone and

652
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Speaker 1: outcome pro state and with UM mal trek zone, probably

653
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Speaker 1: both of them, but definitely with mal trek zone. It

654
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Speaker 1: targets your pleasure center when alcohol is present, so it

655
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Speaker 1: targets your pleasure center. But it's not like you go

656
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: through life like a hedonic. You know, you can still

657
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Speaker 1: experience joy and happiness and pleasure, but specifically with alcohol,

658
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: it reduces the effect that it has on the olympic system,

659
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: so you don't crave it as much or when you do. Right,

660
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Speaker 1: and when you do crave it, I think in that

661
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Speaker 1: New York Times article you found somebody's somebody who takes

662
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Speaker 1: nail trek zonn as saying I still get cravings, but

663
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Speaker 1: they're short lived and they're not nearly as intense because

664
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Speaker 1: of the nail trek. Right, But again it only works

665
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Speaker 1: for about a seventh of the people who take it. Yeah,

666
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Speaker 1: and this is a modern thing. Years ago, offering to

667
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Speaker 1: treat a drug with another drug was scoffed at, But

668
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Speaker 1: now people are embracing it a little bit more as like,

669
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Speaker 1: I guess, a lesser of the evils. Yeah, at least

670
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Speaker 1: you're not killing your body with alcohol abuse. And one

671
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Speaker 1: of the things Chuck that came up when we did

672
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: the Addiction podcast um was that alcoholism and all addictions

673
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: are chronic disease and relapse are to be expected, as

674
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Speaker 1: with any chronic disease. It's you. You go through relapses

675
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Speaker 1: and apparently Alcoholics Anonymous did a UM survey in two

676
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Speaker 1: thousand seven of like eight thousand of its members in

677
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Speaker 1: North America and found that thirty three percent of them

678
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Speaker 1: were still abstinate after ten years. So a lot of people. Yeah,

679
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Speaker 1: a lot of people relapse, and I bet, I bet

680
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Speaker 1: you anything, those are the ones that are still work

681
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Speaker 1: in that program regularly. Well, yeah, you have to, like

682
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: part of a A is you still go to meetings

683
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Speaker 1: UM at least occasionally years for the rest of your life. Basically. Yeah.

684
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Speaker 1: There's a really good article that came out in Harper's

685
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Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven called The Drunks Club The Cult

686
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Speaker 1: that Cures Totally worth reading. I posted a PDF of

687
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Speaker 1: it on our site for this podcast page. It is

688
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Speaker 1: probably the best article it's ever been written about alcoholics Anonymous. Wow. Yeah,

689
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Speaker 1: it's like a gift because the author is an alcoholic

690
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Speaker 1: and Alcoholics Anonymous attendee and an incredible writer. Just a

691
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Speaker 1: great recovered alcoholic or recovering or I don't remember, because

692
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Speaker 1: I've probably recovered or recovering. That's why they that tag

693
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: sticks with you for life. I think that's one of

694
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Speaker 1: the things they teach you is that you should always

695
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Speaker 1: consider yourself an alcoholic. Right, you have a disease, but

696
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Speaker 1: if you're in recovery, then that's, uh, you're on the

697
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Speaker 1: right path. Yeah. And there I was reading an article

698
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Speaker 1: about alternatives to alcoholics anonymous, and one of them was

699
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: like women on sobriety or something like that. Everything we're

700
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Speaker 1: saying like that, we don't agree with that, Like that's

701
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: a temporary tag, it's not for life. Um. And the

702
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: spokesperson for that organization is saying, like, if I used

703
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Speaker 1: to smoke and then I quit after a certain time,

704
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Speaker 1: I'm not like, yeah, I'm a smoker for life, like

705
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Speaker 1: you you used to smoke, or you just don't even

706
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: it's not even a thing. It's not a label you

707
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Speaker 1: have to carry around for the rest of your life.

708
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: I see the value in both, to be honest, in

709
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Speaker 1: in the reward of being able to say I'm not

710
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: an alcoholic anymore, right, or the recognition that you used

711
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: to be and you need to remember that every day

712
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: or yeah. I think it's probably as as varied as

713
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Speaker 1: people's reaction to alcohol, Like if that great, if you

714
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: need to be free of that eventually great. Well said,

715
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Speaker 1: if you are an alcoholic, go get help. Like you

716
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: probably don't have to go any further than your favorite

717
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Speaker 1: search engine to find a lot of resources that UM

718
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: can get you help. People are dying to help people

719
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: kick alcohol and drugs. They love to do that stuff.

720
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: They're crazy. It's like their life's work. So go meet

721
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Speaker 1: one of those people. Don't be afraid of them, and

722
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Speaker 1: don't be afraid of your life after, because you can

723
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Speaker 1: lead a rich, fulfilling existence. Yeah. I think that keeps

724
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Speaker 1: a lot of people from wanting to kick it fun. Yeah, yeah,

725
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I know. I'm friends with recovering alcoholics and they're great. Yeah,

726
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: they love life just the same. Uh if you actually

727
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: they're better. They're not just the same because they're not

728
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Speaker 1: blacking out and hungover mad all the time. If you

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Speaker 1: want to know more about alcoholism, you can type that

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Speaker 1: word in the search part how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: And since I said search parts, time to a listener mail.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this letter from from an old Geezer

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Speaker 1: because he says he's a old geezer. I would never

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Speaker 1: call it of age that this automatically has seen. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Geezer, seventy four years old and a regular listener.

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Speaker 1: I love your show. Listen all of the time when

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Speaker 1: I'm driving. I'm also a musician and living a smallish

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Speaker 1: town restricted to Geezers south of Tucson, and I was

739
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Speaker 1: just listening to the podcast on auto tune. I share

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Speaker 1: your hatred of it. No, you didn't say that in

741
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Speaker 1: so many words, but it came out loud and clear.

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Speaker 1: I'm writing, however, about the little snippet you've been about rever.

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Speaker 1: When I was a senior in high school late nineteen fifties,

744
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Speaker 1: I was in a rock and roll band in Tucson

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Speaker 1: called the Night Beats. We cut three records for a

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Speaker 1: record company named Zoom Records that was started and run

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Speaker 1: by two of our school friends. The guy who ran

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Speaker 1: the recording studio on Phoenix where we did the session

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Speaker 1: could put echo on the voice in nineteen fifty nine,

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Speaker 1: long before manufactured reverb was widespread. He did it by

751
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Speaker 1: placing a speaker and a microphone and an empty water

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Speaker 1: tank behind the studio. He piped in the sound through

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Speaker 1: the speaker and picked it up on the mic to

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Speaker 1: get an actual physical echo or reverb sound for the

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Speaker 1: vocal it's pretty smart for es tu soon aren't too bad? Right? Uh.

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Speaker 1: He even was able to move the mic in and

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Speaker 1: out to change the reverb time for the desired effect.

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Speaker 1: One more interesting fact is that our singer was Pete Ronstad,

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Speaker 1: his little sister and not yet made it big time.

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Speaker 1: Barbers tried, is she from Arizona? I didn't know that,

761
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Speaker 1: Linda Ronstad. Yeah, that explains the Spanish language albums. Yeah

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Speaker 1: maybe so, h. I hope you find this senior plow

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Speaker 1: nos Boyano, Well that was that one of the songs.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she was on one of the Simpsons episode.

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Speaker 1: I hope you find this interesting and worth the time

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Speaker 1: it took to read it. Uh. Sure, it was an

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Speaker 1: interesting time in my life. Thanks for the great podcast.

768
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Speaker 1: And that is from land Hoops. Nice Lance, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, man, I love hearing from our listeners

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Speaker 1: of age. I like hearing from twelve year old and

771
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Speaker 1: like seventy plus. Yeah, I mean too. I even like

772
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Speaker 1: hearing from uh, two year old, two hundred and three

773
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Speaker 1: year old? How about that? Nice? That's I always felt bad,

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Speaker 1: not always, once I came to understand that people live

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Speaker 1: beyond um nine two, that that Christmas song excluded a

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00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: lot of people. Oh sure, yeah, oh, and you know

777
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Speaker 1: we should point out too. I was going to read

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Speaker 1: a full mail on it, but the Pete Frampton effect. Yeah,

779
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: it's not a vocoder. It's a talk box. And I

780
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Speaker 1: feel really bad because I know that, and I know

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Speaker 1: you're in the heat of the podcast. Man, I don't

782
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Speaker 1: feel bad. I say all sorts of stuff where I'm like, man,

783
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Speaker 1: why did I say that? Or why didn't I address that.

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Speaker 1: I even thought I said the words talk box, and

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Speaker 1: I just thought you knew something I didn't about a

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Speaker 1: different name for it, or something I should have spoken up.

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Speaker 1: But no, that's what a talk boxes. The tube is

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Speaker 1: acting as it's a rubber tube that runs from a

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Speaker 1: speaker and the sound is going through that tube into

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Speaker 1: your mouth. And so you're basically playing a guitar through

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Speaker 1: a tiny little tube. Yeah, and you're able to make

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Speaker 1: change his the shape of your mouth and his pop

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Speaker 1: fix prae that you that's a good song. Pe Frampton's

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Speaker 1: opening up for us. He's actually playing the same theater

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Speaker 1: as US, and that oh yeah, yeah, the acoustic to her,

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Speaker 1: he's playing like the week before the week after US.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if he'll play all I want to be

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Speaker 1: as by his thought. Uh, if you want to know

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Speaker 1: more about Pete Frampton and want to get in touch

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Speaker 1: with us, actually we don't know anything more about Pete

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Speaker 1: Frampton than that. Oh we know a little more, but

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Speaker 1: we don't feel like talking about it on social that.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with us, though,

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