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Speaker 1: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 1: Ride with Karen and Chris.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Do you need to ride? This is Chris Fairbanks,
Speaker 4: my guest and co host. He's pulling double duty. You
Speaker 4: know him from the We Watch Wrestling podcast. You know
Speaker 4: him from Monday Night Beers. I know him from the
Speaker 4: Monday Monday Night Beer is golf balls He's given me.
Speaker 4: He's the He's very knowledgeable about merch. We know that
Speaker 4: going in. He also is the husband of Georgia Hartstark
Speaker 4: from My Favorite Murder. Karen's other podcast, Everyone put your
Speaker 4: hands together for Vince Abril.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, man, wait to put me over? Thank you?
Speaker 4: Oh of course, yeah, I mean that was all off.
Speaker 4: That's just knowledge I have off the top of my head.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm glad you have to read it, you know, no.
Speaker 1: No, God forbid, you can always tell when someone's reading.
Speaker 4: My reading comprehension is not I never I was watching
Speaker 4: a movie the other day and I know they still
Speaker 4: do this, and it blows me away when they still
Speaker 4: think we weren't thrown off by a five to five
Speaker 4: to five number in a movie, but they if someone
Speaker 4: is reading something, they read it out loud and it's
Speaker 4: always so very awkward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just done drama.
Speaker 3: I was just watching something the other day where I
Speaker 3: was like, this seems like it's too like high of
Speaker 3: a budget for them to not have paid for a
Speaker 3: real phone number, or like, you know, because it just
Speaker 3: does it cheapens it immediately you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: what am I watching a Rockford Files.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lately they have been.
Speaker 4: They take the time someone in production goes and I
Speaker 4: don't know, purchase is a phone number, so we aren't
Speaker 4: taken out of the story because I hear that five
Speaker 4: five five and I'm like, what is it nineteen eighty.
Speaker 3: But I will say in the same way that my
Speaker 3: cursive writing has suffered over the years when I do
Speaker 3: need to read out loud, which is very sparingly. Maybe
Speaker 3: there's a child around, or it's a funeral or something.
Speaker 3: I do find that my ability to read out loud
Speaker 3: has diminished a little bit. It's a little harder than
Speaker 3: just reading in my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: For one, I've gone blind in the past year. It's
Speaker 4: a serious it continues to decline. I should probably see
Speaker 4: an eye doctor. But yeah, I get I get really nervous,
Speaker 4: even just now just announcing something something other than comedy
Speaker 4: or off the top of my head, or being in
Speaker 4: front of people like it. At the beginning of a
Speaker 4: comedy show. There's times where the club has been like, oh,
Speaker 4: our regular guy isn't here. Can you introduce yourself? And
Speaker 4: I get so nervous for that, not the show, but
Speaker 4: just saying, hey, everyone, how are you doing tonight? Well,
Speaker 4: tonight we have tonight's guest and it's also me, but
Speaker 4: it's going to be me in a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put your hands.
Speaker 4: Like I I I absolutely lose it.
Speaker 3: I have no It's second only to when you like
Speaker 3: you're you are in charge of hosting and someone gives
Speaker 3: you a joke to bring them up on, like this
Speaker 3: guy works as a state trooper during the day, but
Speaker 3: don't worry you don't got to put your weet away,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, I don't want to. People are
Speaker 3: gonna think I'm making that joke. I don't want to
Speaker 3: do your shitty joke to bring you up. Can I
Speaker 3: just say clubs and colleges or something.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 4: When I first started in Austin, I was nervous to
Speaker 4: go to the open mic my my very first couple
Speaker 4: of times, I went up, and for some reason, I
Speaker 4: guess because I had grown a mustache.
Speaker 1: I went up as an off duty police officer.
Speaker 4: I thought that would be and all my all my
Speaker 4: jokes were cop puns about Miranda Rights. I went and
Speaker 4: met a woman named Miranda. Everyone though thought I was
Speaker 4: an actual cop. I had everyone convince that I as
Speaker 4: a police officer, and then I started showing up in
Speaker 4: my plane clothes and They're like, are you still an officer?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that was a joke. Please.
Speaker 3: I think there would be some value to a thesis
Speaker 3: being done where there's exit interviews at comedy clubs, because
Speaker 3: I feel like you'd find that people were like, no,
Speaker 3: I thought that was all from the top of his head,
Speaker 3: or I thought he really does shake babies, or like
Speaker 3: just I just think that a lot of times people
Speaker 3: believe shit you're saying and you don't even realize it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially now, every comic is supposed to be open
Speaker 4: about themselves and telling the truth and telling stories about
Speaker 4: their actual life. But when I started, I just wanted
Speaker 4: it to be bizarre, non sequitor. I wanted to be
Speaker 4: like Mitch Hedberg, even though I didn't know who he
Speaker 4: was in the beginning. But as the more, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to know anything about my real life.
Speaker 4: This is at an escape, right, But yeah, I don't. You
Speaker 4: don't see that as much anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there does seem to be that school of
Speaker 3: thought where if you're not like pulling open a wound,
Speaker 3: you're not really you know, giving it your all or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a new thing to the point where
Speaker 4: I when I do stand up, I do my old
Speaker 4: style where I tell ridiculous non secuitor, you know, unrelated jokes,
Speaker 4: and then at halfway through my set, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: these are actually stories.
Speaker 1: About my life, so I'm done lying.
Speaker 4: Now here's the truth segment, which is I've gotten away
Speaker 4: with it, but I gotta I don't know if I
Speaker 4: need to make a decision to stop lying, or if
Speaker 4: I can just keep doing that, divide it right down
Speaker 4: the middle. Well that's what I've Maybe you don't have
Speaker 4: to choose, you know, maybe not. Maybe I just leave
Speaker 4: them confused about who I really am. I think that's okay.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm very pleased to see that, even off duty,
Speaker 3: off the golf course, you still rock the headband, which
Speaker 3: deserves to be rocked at all times. So there's nothing
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not saying.
Speaker 4: There and I have gotten to know each other through golf,
Speaker 4: something that yes, and I wear. My goal has been
Speaker 4: and I think I've told you this. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to dress like a golfer. For some reason, I'm embarrassed
Speaker 4: to tell people I've been golfing so much. Like I
Speaker 4: think it's because my mom always saw it as a
Speaker 4: waste of water and everything. The way I was raised like,
Speaker 4: it wasn't a pro golf household, even though my dad
Speaker 4: ended up being a golfer. But I don't want to
Speaker 4: wear the clothes, and so I've been, you know, just
Speaker 4: googling eighties tennis where yeah, that's the look I want.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to dress like a skateboarder another thing
Speaker 4: I used to be embarrassed and didn't talk about.
Speaker 1: But now it's cool. Now that I'm in my forties,
Speaker 1: skateboarding is cool.
Speaker 3: You're no longer being beat up for it outside of
Speaker 3: the shop and stop or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it used to be you go to the shop
Speaker 4: and stop with your crew, mine what's the front street
Speaker 4: and you just wait for for trucks filled with angry
Speaker 4: cowboys to do.
Speaker 3: Even in suburban Detroit, I remember, uh, you know, skating
Speaker 3: in the Kroger parking lot, and more than once a
Speaker 3: dude in a pickup truck literally like coming through the
Speaker 3: lot trying to run somebody over at least make you
Speaker 3: think he was gonna.
Speaker 4: Yeah if I knew, and they would say terrible things
Speaker 4: to us. And now it's been replaced by a pickup truck.
Speaker 4: Even the last time I was in Montana, things have
Speaker 4: changed so much that the new heckle from a from
Speaker 4: a cowboy in a truck is do a kickflip. That's
Speaker 4: what they yell now, the most encouraging, like oh, I'll try,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 3: I do also have a little I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: I stop short of calling it shamee, but there does
Speaker 3: seem to be a stigma in my mind around golf too.
Speaker 3: I don't. I've just started in the last whatever six
Speaker 3: or eight months, and I, yeah, it's not something I
Speaker 3: go around and being like, yeah, so I'm golfing now,
Speaker 3: I got my own bag, and like there's just something
Speaker 3: about it that feels like it's not everyone is going
Speaker 3: to be on, not to the level of like pro wrestling,
Speaker 3: where I had to keep that in the shadows for
Speaker 3: a long time. Yeah, but I've just yeah, I have
Speaker 3: these activities where I'm like, I don't need to tell
Speaker 3: anybody about that right now. No one cares about that.
Speaker 4: And the problem is I'm thinking about it so much
Speaker 4: now that I want to talk about it, and I
Speaker 4: have to make myself not talk about it. The saving
Speaker 4: grace there has been I'm rarely around anyone. I have
Speaker 4: not adjusted to America thriving again, other than going to
Speaker 4: skate parks and golfing, to.
Speaker 3: The point where I think the first time I showed
Speaker 3: up in like a polo shirt, just sort of by chance,
Speaker 3: and I think like right away CJ was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: this guy's got the full golf kid on now, and
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, I don't want like, that's not
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to look like a golfer man. I
Speaker 1: just want to hit the ball a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm I am going eighties tennis with it. I just
Speaker 4: that's a look that I'm nostalgic for. I literally googled
Speaker 4: Andre Agassi headband and then I just shorts and everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of it in my
Speaker 1: queue here. I'm just waiting to some.
Speaker 3: Of that light lycra some some neon colors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of it used.
Speaker 4: So when I wear it, I'm activating some dead tennis
Speaker 4: players body odor.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know that's all part of the experience. Uh.
Speaker 4: This headband belonged to my friend's mother. I believe it
Speaker 4: was meant for skiing in the eighties.
Speaker 3: But oh, you actually procured that from a friend.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, and then modeled my look after this headband.
Speaker 1: So I have a Justin Kroft's mother to thank for that.
Speaker 3: You were just bumping around the crib and said, hey,
Speaker 3: is anybody still using this or how do you find
Speaker 3: your mother's his money.
Speaker 1: I've met my buddy.
Speaker 4: He's from Montana and I've been going He lives in
Speaker 4: Santa Barbara now in the mountains. When anyone is frustrated
Speaker 4: that they can't get hold of me, it's because I'm
Speaker 4: at Justin's cabin that does not have I mean, it's
Speaker 4: a nice house, but it doesn't have Wi Fi or
Speaker 4: a phone service, so I call it a cabin okay
Speaker 4: because of that. But yeah, sometimes I get nervous when
Speaker 4: friends my age are willing to suddenly give things away.
Speaker 4: Every time I go there, he's like, do you want
Speaker 4: this hat? Do you want this bike? It makes me
Speaker 4: worried that they're saying goodbye in some way. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 4: what's going on. I don't know if I can accept this.
Speaker 4: How have you been feeling?
Speaker 1: Are you happy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But yeah, we've just been giving each other things. I
Speaker 4: gave him a painting. He's like, my mom used to
Speaker 4: wear this headmand here you go. And it did mean
Speaker 4: a lot because it was his mom's. But yeah, little
Speaker 4: did he know.
Speaker 3: Up at the cabin, I'm holding I picture the you know,
Speaker 3: the chest like when Chevy Chase gets stuck in the
Speaker 3: attic in Christmosification and there's just this mom's little clothes,
Speaker 3: some old movies headband is procured.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, looking through a photo. I have a chest
Speaker 4: here that I am scared to open. I don't know
Speaker 4: why I brought it up from the garage. It's inconveniently
Speaker 4: in my kitchen, and I have yet to open it
Speaker 4: because sometimes I don't want to be confronted by memories.
Speaker 3: But you know, some of your some personal belongings or
Speaker 3: otherwise artifacts from your life are in there.
Speaker 4: Yes, photos, man. I brought it up for the photos
Speaker 4: and the old artwork.
Speaker 1: When I.
Speaker 4: Used to do illustrations for this aptitude test in Texas,
Speaker 4: the Toss test, very strange specific drawings where they wouldn't
Speaker 4: tell me what the question was.
Speaker 1: It would just be like, we need a fifth.
Speaker 4: Grade Asian boy checking a water meter on a fence
Speaker 4: and with a bird next to them. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: So I would draw these really specific drawings, never knowing
Speaker 4: what the word.
Speaker 1: Question was about. So and I look at.
Speaker 4: These drawings now and they are hilarious and I want
Speaker 4: to compile them in some way or add add speech
Speaker 4: balloons or something.
Speaker 3: Wait, so there's so d So would you have like
Speaker 3: a week to complete that or would it be like,
Speaker 3: here's ten of them?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: They'd give me like ten, and I'd be on the
Speaker 4: road and I'd bring these drawings with me and do them,
Speaker 4: or I'd bring the UH instructions with me and do
Speaker 4: the drawings on the road.
Speaker 1: But guy, I used to be such a hard worker.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is just a teaser of what may
Speaker 3: be in there. If people want to join Chris's Patreon,
Speaker 3: he's going to open it up. That'll be the first
Speaker 3: bonus for.
Speaker 1: The unboxing of my memory chest.
Speaker 3: Some people to get in the mail. You're just actually
Speaker 3: going to open old shit of your own that you
Speaker 3: forgot what's in.
Speaker 4: I had no idea how many cordless adult pleasure toys
Speaker 4: I had, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Some of these were for my back. Some of these
Speaker 3: were definitely just for my back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: You never know scoliosis, you never know when it'll hit.
Speaker 1: That's why I have old purple here.
Speaker 3: The treatment has changed over the years, so there's no
Speaker 3: real way of knowing.
Speaker 4: I did a little research of Megan Gaily, who I
Speaker 4: thought was maybe going to be the guest today, but
Speaker 4: she will be a guest, I think right after this.
Speaker 4: But in researching her, I researched you, and there's some
Speaker 4: things I didn't know about you, Like you had a
Speaker 4: hardcore label out of high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I started a label with the money for my
Speaker 3: graduation party and then so it was me and a
Speaker 3: buddy who were doing that one specifically, and after like
Speaker 3: our first release, we immediately disagreed on what to do next.
Speaker 3: So then I started my own, which I sort of
Speaker 3: still have. There's been years of dormancy, but then more
Speaker 3: recently I've I've done hardcore records still, but I occasionally
Speaker 3: will do like I did at Matt McCarthy seven inch.
Speaker 3: I'm doing andre do new record like I so I'm
Speaker 3: sort of now doing comedy with it too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if I wasn't held under the same name.
Speaker 3: Yep, Capsule Records has been the same name since nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety five or something like that.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.
Speaker 4: See, I've I'm only learning about your your you know, touring, managed,
Speaker 4: tour managing in the music business and everything, but I
Speaker 4: didn't know it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you were.
Speaker 1: I had a hardcore l.
Speaker 3: And then I'm saying in a hardcore band right now,
Speaker 3: curact as I sit here. Yeah, that we have a record,
Speaker 3: a seven inch that came out on New Age Records,
Speaker 3: which is a hardcore label out of Hunting and Beach
Speaker 3: and then we're starting to work on our album.
Speaker 4: Now the thing, why do I not know these things?
Speaker 4: Do I just not listen? Do I not pay attention?
Speaker 1: No? I mean, on the.
Speaker 3: Course, you know we're cracking wise about a squirrel. We're
Speaker 3: talking about who's shot was terrible or more terrible, and.
Speaker 1: You've gotten it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't usually angrily thrash around swearing from
Speaker 4: the bushes. I hope you know that I'm generally a
Speaker 4: happy person. I feel bad for the the like CJ
Speaker 4: and Mike that have gotten to know me through golf
Speaker 4: and have seen how there's always anger under the surface
Speaker 4: with me. And I've learned to curb it once it
Speaker 4: or I try to curb it once I see it surfacing.
Speaker 1: I don't like throw clubs, but.
Speaker 4: I when I was younger, I did, and that's kind
Speaker 4: of what kept me away from golf. I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I clearly shouldn't do this if it makes me this angry. Well,
Speaker 4: and then I realized, well, I throw my skateboard and
Speaker 4: say terrible things.
Speaker 1: I during that too, but I yeah, skateboarding.
Speaker 3: What has curb to me on the course is that
Speaker 3: there's another person who will occasionally play with us, who
Speaker 3: shall remain nameless. And there was a time that he
Speaker 3: played and had a meltdown. And then the next time
Speaker 3: I was with those guys, they were sort of talking
Speaker 3: about his meltdown, and so then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you gotta like when you because sometimes something will happen
Speaker 3: and I'll start to fucking spit and spotter and I'll
Speaker 3: be like, no, no, no, don't don't do this, or people
Speaker 3: will be talking about you in perpetuity for behaving this way.
Speaker 1: Right, you saw that happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen you lose it at all. You stay
Speaker 4: cool as a cucumber cat.
Speaker 3: Just bottle it up and then go home and drink
Speaker 3: it away.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let it.
Speaker 4: Let it surface with something trivial at home with your
Speaker 4: loved one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've been trying hard, especially when you're golfing with strangers.
Speaker 4: I'm like, do not do this, do not do not
Speaker 4: say those words, do not scream them. You just met
Speaker 4: this guy, right, But as.
Speaker 3: Things begin to fall apart, and then I've also seen
Speaker 3: you suffer from your bag actually falling over, sometimes more
Speaker 3: than once. And it's like, at that point, it's it's
Speaker 3: a fucking we got a four alarm fire going here,
Speaker 3: you know, like, how can you not be upset?
Speaker 4: I already yeah, specifically I was cursing myself out and
Speaker 4: then right then my bag fell over and all the
Speaker 4: balls rolled out, and all my tea's and my my
Speaker 4: seltzer spilled everywhere. I'm like, okay, yeah, now it's hilarious.
Speaker 4: When things get that bad, you have to.
Speaker 3: Actually you pull back a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I think hardcore music, though I don't, I think
Speaker 4: I think of straight.
Speaker 1: Edge, yeah, which I was okay for a long time.
Speaker 1: Is that pretty common with hardcore music?
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's definitely, uh, a sect or a
Speaker 3: portion of it is straight edge, and then there's and
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of styles of hardcore that
Speaker 3: kind of overlap. So yeah, but but straight edge is
Speaker 3: certainly a population of it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but then there was also hardcore to me, and
Speaker 4: I think I might be wrong, but it is a
Speaker 4: specific part is a band from DC and those bands
Speaker 4: are bad brands, Fugazi, and there's another one that Teqi
Speaker 4: minor Threat yeah is of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so those are all hardcore bands. I mean, I
Speaker 3: would think when when you skated, you probably sort of
Speaker 3: at least passed by some hardcore.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course.
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of Fugazi and very a very
Speaker 4: big fan of Bad Brains, which led into me, you know,
Speaker 4: I was into other like Fishbone and this ban twenty
Speaker 4: four to seven Spies that was kind of like a
Speaker 4: light version of Bad Brains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 4: There wasn't like a scene that wasn't just generally punk
Speaker 4: rock where I knew straight educate everyone in Missoula, Montana
Speaker 4: drank at shows. Yeah, drinking was a big part, and
Speaker 4: I think there was always older guys that were sober
Speaker 4: sitting in the back somewhere. But I didn't. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: didn't know much about hardcore as a separate.
Speaker 3: Because it's also like, to me, like punk and hardcore
Speaker 3: they do sort of, you know, intertwine because like like
Speaker 3: some of the bands that are considered like skate rock,
Speaker 3: like Agent Orange or the Faction, Like, yeah, to me,
Speaker 3: it's like that that's still hardcore, even though it's it's
Speaker 3: like a little more melodic and it and it like
Speaker 3: the style is is different in some ways. But but
Speaker 3: that's the thing. It's like when you start to try
Speaker 3: to figure out what everything is. Sometimes you know, it's
Speaker 3: it becomes difficult too.
Speaker 4: And the only way I ever learned about I mean,
Speaker 4: you don't see this kind of music when you're a
Speaker 4: kid on MTV. I'd learned about these bands from skate
Speaker 4: videos that I would acquire order on vhs. And that's
Speaker 4: how I faction is the one with skape cabellerro right,
Speaker 4: Steve Caballero was.
Speaker 1: In the film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all that I didn't. I would just record
Speaker 4: from the TV. I would play these tapes on a VCR,
Speaker 4: hold up a tape player and record it. And then
Speaker 4: I'd play that recording with the sounds of skateboarding along
Speaker 4: with it from a from a boom box in front
Speaker 4: of my house. And that was that was it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so ridiculous that that's how I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you had to You had to do what you
Speaker 3: had to do because you either had like an older
Speaker 3: brother or someone else's brother or friend who had a
Speaker 3: tape of stuff that they were dubbing out, or you
Speaker 3: held it up to the VCR or on the rare
Speaker 3: occasion that you had like a weirdo radio station, you
Speaker 3: could then do the old you know, put the tape
Speaker 3: in and try to hit the song when it's on
Speaker 3: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I'm so lucky that I had an older sister that
Speaker 4: sow a lot of what she was turning me onto,
Speaker 4: which is what.
Speaker 1: I truly liked, and much like golf.
Speaker 4: I didn't talk to my friends about it because they
Speaker 4: were listening to Poison and stuff like that, but I
Speaker 4: was listening to the Cure Depeche Mode, all that stuff
Speaker 4: an older sister would hand down you. But also she
Speaker 4: did what she thought she needed to do, which is, hey,
Speaker 4: here's a band that I like. Uh, you know, Big
Speaker 4: Audio Dynamite or Public Image Limited. They have these harder
Speaker 4: bands that I'm not as into, but I think you'll like,
Speaker 4: you know, the clash and the sex pistols. And so
Speaker 4: she turned me onto that without actually being a fan.
Speaker 4: She was a good curator of music for me. So
Speaker 4: I was lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to have an older sibling or access.
Speaker 3: One of the I mean this is a generalized statement,
Speaker 3: but one of the negatives kind of around hardcore, at
Speaker 3: least in my experience, and I don't think i'm alone,
Speaker 3: is that it would become very narrow in like what
Speaker 3: was accepted, you know what you wore, what you listened to,
Speaker 3: what you did this and that, and so like led
Speaker 3: Zeppelin's my favorite band of all time, and I was
Speaker 3: coming into hardcore with all these other things. And so
Speaker 3: I remember like my first year of college with the
Speaker 3: dude who I started the original label with, like there
Speaker 3: were certain records that I just I would I had
Speaker 3: in another area and if he was out, I might
Speaker 3: play him. But it was not going to be like
Speaker 3: where if you're flipping through my shit, you're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's this? You know, like because you can still come
Speaker 3: under fire when you're fucking like in college for like
Speaker 3: liking the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, all my buddy is in college. That turned
Speaker 4: me onto things like Pavement and Built to Spill and
Speaker 4: all that stuff that at the time we called emo music,
Speaker 4: but that turned into something completely different. I don't mean
Speaker 4: like AFI and the scream right right right melodic scream rock,
Speaker 4: but whatever you call that indye, I guess just India
Speaker 4: the rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I privately was listening yes to Faith No More and
Speaker 4: Mister Bunkle and all this and all my you know,
Speaker 4: Cocteau Twins and stuff like that, which I still you
Speaker 4: know what, that's probably my go to now ye melodic
Speaker 4: like shoegazy shoegaze music or whatever it's called that the
Speaker 4: Sundays and stuff like that, and I'm I'm just open
Speaker 4: about it now. I let people now I like melodic
Speaker 4: lady music.
Speaker 1: I just love that.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. I don't know if you remember, there
Speaker 3: was like this DJ from the UK in the mid
Speaker 3: to late nineties, Roney Size, and he was like big
Speaker 3: for a hot minute, I don't even know what if
Speaker 3: you'd call it drummond bass or whatever. And so you know,
Speaker 3: I'm starting to like just get into other stuff. And
Speaker 3: I was at this Roney Size show in Detroit and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I like run into this you know,
Speaker 3: big hardcore dude and he's like, oh my buddy, uh
Speaker 3: he my buddy, like got me in here whatever? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, I'm in here. There's no money to
Speaker 3: make any excuses. We're both in the room.
Speaker 1: Like what.
Speaker 3: You didn't see me walk in? You're fucking in and
Speaker 3: I'm in. It's fine, Like who cares?
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like, oh well, it's normal that you're here,
Speaker 4: but you probably look up to me, so I should
Speaker 4: explain why I'm here because I should be above this, right,
Speaker 4: I'm three years older than you, totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, certain, Yeah, you just got to fucking you know.
Speaker 3: It was all the people who were who were willing
Speaker 3: to do whatever the fuck they wanted at any stage
Speaker 3: of life, were always the coolest, no matter what ridicule
Speaker 3: they would take, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Even my buddy James that I worked with in Austin.
Speaker 4: He was a screen printer at a shop where I.
Speaker 1: Did the art.
Speaker 4: He he we became friends really quickly, and he was
Speaker 4: in a lot of eighties Vegas punk bands. Okay, like
Speaker 4: one of his drummers in this band, drop Kick, was
Speaker 4: the drummer in Dri. It was it was like this crossover,
Speaker 4: which is the name of a Dri album. But there
Speaker 4: was that time where it was like he was in
Speaker 4: he had long hair and he looked like a metal head,
Speaker 4: but he was in all these punk bands, and he talks.
Speaker 1: About how he had to hide his.
Speaker 4: Love of of you know, rock things like Zeppelin, which
Speaker 4: to this day he is into, so he would seem
Speaker 4: punk rock because he's in all these punk rock bands.
Speaker 4: I think it's always been a thing where you have
Speaker 4: to hide what you really.
Speaker 3: Like seven seconds, right, they were from Vegas. Remember seven seconds?
Speaker 4: He has tons of He was also in a band
Speaker 4: called fifty one fifty and he had all these flyers
Speaker 4: and seven seconds was all over those Yeah, all over
Speaker 4: those flyers and dri But man, talk about a guy
Speaker 4: with stories.
Speaker 1: Every story he would tell me.
Speaker 4: Because of the era and because it's Vegas, it made
Speaker 4: me think of that. What's that movie with Matt Dillon,
Speaker 4: one of his early movies where everyone's riding on BMX BI.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, only is.
Speaker 1: Over the edge, over the edge? Yeah, that was his childhood.
Speaker 1: He's as a.
Speaker 4: Teenager, He's like, yeah, and then my friend stabbed someone
Speaker 4: and he went to prison, and there's an HBO documentary
Speaker 4: about him. And I watched this documentary and the guy
Speaker 4: was a scary murderer.
Speaker 1: But it was his punk rock friend when he was little.
Speaker 4: He just said he changed a lot over your time, apparently, But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vegas. I just hearing his stories.
Speaker 4: It made me really glad I didn't grow up as
Speaker 4: a kid in Sin City.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, I can't imagine what I mean. Even
Speaker 3: when you you know, go there now and you sort
Speaker 3: of travel out of the strip, like maybe even just
Speaker 3: going to the airport over. I'm alwaying, what is this like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are you a Vegas guy? Do you like gambling?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: I do, But but I'm like, I need about maybe
Speaker 3: forty eight hours maximum, Like I don't, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: need to be very long.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I'll come in and do everything I need to do
Speaker 3: at its maximum, and then I need to get out.
Speaker 3: So it's like I like it every once in a
Speaker 3: while for a very short period.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I should get into it on some
Speaker 4: healthy level, just so I have something to do when
Speaker 4: i'm there. Or I used to be there a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for an old job, writing job I had. We'd go
Speaker 4: to events there, like and I'd interview people. But then
Speaker 4: at night I'm like, I don't know what to do here.
Speaker 4: I am so careful with money. Yeah I'm not cheap,
Speaker 4: but I really feel bad when I slide twenty bucks
Speaker 4: over to someone. A wheel turns and then they just
Speaker 4: take it away, and I'm confused.
Speaker 3: I would say, And you know, I don't you know,
Speaker 3: necessarily want to get called from your sponsor when this
Speaker 3: all goes to shit for your gambling addiction. But as
Speaker 3: an introduction, I first of all, I never stay anywhere
Speaker 3: but downtown because it's everything is cheaper, the gambling is cheaper,
Speaker 3: everything's cheaper, and it's all right together. Like when you're
Speaker 3: on the Strip, it's like hard to even find your
Speaker 3: way out of some of those hotels. And then you're like,
Speaker 3: I'll just go to this next one, and it's a mirage.
Speaker 3: It's like fucking half a mile walk downtown, bunch of
Speaker 3: stuff right together, and it's still kind of a little grittier.
Speaker 3: So you've got the like covered street walk where there's
Speaker 3: like people dressed up. Is weird ship there's just concerts
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that the old part of it? Like old
Speaker 4: downtown is old Vegas Flamingo and all that.
Speaker 3: No Flamingo's on the strip, but it's like gold Nuggets, binions,
Speaker 3: soloor queens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Circus circus, that's forr it.
Speaker 3: No circus is at the end of the strip to.
Speaker 1: Vegas. What if I keep trying it's a part of Vegas.
Speaker 3: Then I got a holiday in down there. But it's Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's just like little lounges where there's just cover bands.
Speaker 3: It's just a it's just a much funner chiller uh
Speaker 3: old vibe. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I am I am. I do like
Speaker 4: nostalgic vegas. I do in movies and stuff like, I
Speaker 4: do like to be reminded of that. But I don't
Speaker 4: need to see Blue Man Group again. Why do you
Speaker 4: keep throwing rolls of toilet paper? Stop with the drumming?
Speaker 4: And also they scare me, the Blue Man Group, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be I'm just gonna admit they kind of give
Speaker 4: me nightmares, which is what.
Speaker 1: You should have led with.
Speaker 3: You should have just admitted straight up that you're scared
Speaker 3: of them, rather than try to take jabs like you
Speaker 3: did there.
Speaker 1: You're You're right.
Speaker 4: That was mean and it was just me trying to
Speaker 4: make up for the fact that I'm scared.
Speaker 1: I'm scared of the Blue Bang Group. They give me nightmares.
Speaker 1: And you've got Carra Top up.
Speaker 3: There on the strip, You've got you know, Thunder from
Speaker 3: down Under, whatever you're whatever you're looking.
Speaker 1: For, Yeah, yeah, you could do.
Speaker 4: You could keep listing them, and I'm afraid it's not
Speaker 4: what I'm looking for.
Speaker 3: That's why you gotta stay downtown, man.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: The best time, maybe one of the best times we
Speaker 3: ever had downtown me Georgia Jesse Pop and Lizzie Cooperman.
Speaker 3: We drove because they said Gallagher is doing his final
Speaker 3: week of shows in Vegas.
Speaker 1: I very much would go see that.
Speaker 3: We go to the Gold Nugget to see what is
Speaker 3: about to unfold, and we show up. Every light in
Speaker 3: the room is on. At a certain point he just
Speaker 3: walks out. No, there's no announcement, no lights change.
Speaker 1: Now he's on stage, trampoline couch there was like there.
Speaker 3: Was no trampoline couch, but there was a few other
Speaker 3: items out.
Speaker 1: There, and he starts going, watermelons.
Speaker 3: He starts going and he's immediately saying crazy racist, homophobic stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The room is like not even half full. This is
Speaker 3: Gallagher's big send off. And at a certain point we
Speaker 3: we go to leave. I think I think Jesse tried
Speaker 3: to stay a little longer to see what white possibly happened.
Speaker 3: We couldn't even make the sledge of matic. We're going out,
Speaker 3: and as the usher opens the door for us, George
Speaker 3: is like, this is terrible, and the usher goes, at
Speaker 3: least you can leave, and that was.
Speaker 1: That's the best. It was Gallagher's big send off.
Speaker 3: It was terrible. It was terrible, but but ultimately a
Speaker 3: great story and fun.
Speaker 4: He yeah, he I had the pleasure working with him
Speaker 4: twice in my life.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: When was the seventies reality show on MTV where they
Speaker 4: had you know, JJ Dynamite, Jimmy Walker, Yeah, and people.
Speaker 4: And I was just like, I played a neighbor that
Speaker 4: drove a trans aam and played with nunchucks and then
Speaker 4: I'd give a pop quiz to these poor kids and
Speaker 4: get them kicked off the show.
Speaker 1: It actually wasn't very fun, and I was sick the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 4: But anyway, Gallagher was on an episode and the saddest
Speaker 4: part was he was totally bald, but he would put
Speaker 4: on this hat reminiscent of his eighties days, with hair
Speaker 4: stapled to the inside brim of it. So he just
Speaker 4: put on this hair wig, this hat, hair wig, and yeah,
Speaker 4: conversationally just went into hate speech.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it would just right wing.
Speaker 4: Stuff that I perceive as hate speech the way I
Speaker 4: was raised, But also, like you said, just straight up
Speaker 4: racist yeah stuff.
Speaker 1: Is there a difference? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Also, I mean if anyone still cares or even knows
Speaker 3: who Gallagher is, I don't think people realize that he
Speaker 3: sold At a certain point he sold his act to
Speaker 3: his brother, and so then Gallagher too would tour the
Speaker 3: country doing his act.
Speaker 4: Gallagher, Yeah, he and I remember him coming to Austin.
Speaker 4: He had a Janet Jackson microphone set up, I give it, yes,
Speaker 4: and a power point laser pointer one night and then
Speaker 4: one night he just tried this this collapsing antenna pointer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it was a very clinical PowerPoint presentation on I
Speaker 4: believe wordplay, very boring. And then I thought that he
Speaker 4: got in trouble with Gallagher one Gallagher two. Maybe didn't
Speaker 4: have permission. Yeah, well they are, I think. On the
Speaker 4: seventies House show he was also talking about his brother.
Speaker 1: He just didn't have a lot of nice things.
Speaker 3: To be a fly on the wall at the Gallagher
Speaker 3: family dinner, you know, the Christmas or whatever they're celebrating
Speaker 3: over the Oh.
Speaker 4: God, I am just terrible, silent grumbling, no one looking
Speaker 4: at each other in the eye.
Speaker 1: And then he was at Bridgetown one year. Oh yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he's like, oh all.
Speaker 4: You young kids just have me here to make fun
Speaker 4: of me, and he's like, whoops, he's on to us.
Speaker 1: He was not happy to be there.
Speaker 4: He just seemed like a really grumpy man and yeah,
Speaker 4: if you don't know he I think he had seven
Speaker 4: HBO special.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean in the early days of the
Speaker 3: video store in Milford, Michigan. One we'd have to rent
Speaker 3: the VCR as well, but we rented those Gallagher tapes, man,
Speaker 3: for sure, because I used to blow my mind when
Speaker 3: I was a little kid. I'd be like, yeah, why
Speaker 3: is there a lock on the door at seven eleven?
Speaker 3: It's never closed? You know, like that, I'm going like this.
Speaker 4: A lot of his stuff was kind of thought provoking.
Speaker 4: You know, why is this? Why is this called this?
Speaker 4: And this is called this? I mean George.
Speaker 1: Carlin went through a similar phase with his stand up.
Speaker 3: That parked on the driveway and drive on the parkway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: That's a Carlon bit, right, That's what I I couldn't
Speaker 4: remember if that was a Gallagher or.
Speaker 3: I don't know either, but I just I just remember
Speaker 3: that one from what.
Speaker 1: They couldn't have ended up being different, more different, but.
Speaker 3: That could you know, the driveway parkway thing could be
Speaker 3: like a couple of guys that I encountered coming up
Speaker 3: in Michigan who were arguing over whose joke it was
Speaker 3: that they were calling their dick the truth, you know,
Speaker 3: you can't handle the truth. And there was a little
Speaker 3: bit of heat backstage. Well they tried to figure out
Speaker 3: whose joke it actually was. When I was thinking, this
Speaker 3: might be one hundred people's joke.
Speaker 1: Guys, right, yea, and none of them are the winner.
Speaker 3: Right on. No one's coming out ahead on this. But
Speaker 3: also I think you both needed to cut it out
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: I want to do a joke where I'm like, what
Speaker 4: is a parkway? I've never heard that phrase before. Do
Speaker 4: you think that I don't know what that is? A
Speaker 4: British freeway?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 3: Well I think you know, if you've got, you know,
Speaker 3: a nice bit of park land and the road that
Speaker 3: goes through, it might be a parkway.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, like going to the Sun Road in Glacier Park, it.
Speaker 3: Might be a parkway, although I mean you know it
Speaker 3: will actually sometimes it will have that whatever you call it,
Speaker 3: the pk wy on the end there instead of RD
Speaker 3: or st things of this nature.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So it's just like saying boulevard, right.
Speaker 3: It could be a terrace, it could be a road,
Speaker 3: it could be a Yeah, it's just a it's just
Speaker 3: another made up word for something you drive on.
Speaker 4: I love when on my own podcast I learned things
Speaker 4: finally that's been bothering me.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to ruin your bit, dude, but I'm
Speaker 3: trying to help you because some people might, you know,
Speaker 3: find a little breakout.
Speaker 1: I'm not bailing on it. That bit's got legs.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: Bits got Hello, Yellowstone.
Speaker 4: You have a podcast with our buddy Matt McCarthy about wrestling.
Speaker 4: You probably talked about it a lot every time you're
Speaker 4: on a podcast, But I'm I when did you have
Speaker 4: you had a lifetime like childhood life.
Speaker 3: We're into rests since probably nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 4: Are you as freakishly knowledgeable as McCarthy is where he
Speaker 4: can take any conversation and somehow weave it into wrestling.
Speaker 3: Well, so here's the thing. There's there there was a
Speaker 3: point in history. I don't know if that if that's changed,
Speaker 3: But Matt would say that I've forgotten more wrestling than
Speaker 3: he had watched.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I think he's definitely gained on me. And I do
Speaker 3: know more about wrestling than anything else that I that
Speaker 3: I know about. But I think he's a little you know,
Speaker 3: I touched on it before. I'm not I'm obviously openly
Speaker 3: a wrestling fan. I love wrestling, but I don't seek
Speaker 3: to try to jam it in. So I probably have
Speaker 3: the ability, but I I usually try to just you know,
Speaker 3: if someone asks me, I'm happy to do a filibuster,
Speaker 3: but I don't.
Speaker 4: You're saying Matt kind of forces it, Well, I kind
Speaker 4: of shoves it.
Speaker 1: I think he's a little more.
Speaker 3: Willing to, yeah, to just put it in there, which
Speaker 3: is you know, I'm not saying it's a negative, but
Speaker 3: for me, I just like I have to be very
Speaker 3: safe and comfortable before I into.
Speaker 1: And it's Tom Sibley. Is he a regular?
Speaker 3: So he what was is when we started, it was
Speaker 3: the three of us and the dynamic thing. Yeah he's gone,
Speaker 3: but the dynamic was at that point that he never
Speaker 3: watched and didn't know anything, so he would be the
Speaker 3: guy who asked the questions and all that. But he
Speaker 3: left a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: He yeah, podcast changed.
Speaker 4: He was the equivalent of actually driving to an airport, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: things change and you find well, yeah, it's still work.
Speaker 1: He was the vehicle.
Speaker 3: But I think I think he finally realized that, you know,
Speaker 3: he had learned all he wanted to learn about wrestling.
Speaker 1: So he was he didn't want to get too deep.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, because you can't come back.
Speaker 4: No, you can never return. You can never return. It's
Speaker 4: the Hotel California of sports.
Speaker 3: And as much as I love wrestling, there is you know,
Speaker 3: plenty of times where I'm watching it going like man,
Speaker 3: I'm really glad no one else is here. I would
Speaker 3: hate to have to explain to anybody like why I
Speaker 3: think this is cool or you know, like there's plenty
Speaker 3: of times when it's bad.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, it's I just keep those things, golf
Speaker 4: and skateboarding, they're they're my private loves. I've stopped trying
Speaker 4: to turn people onto that. I will defend skateboarding in
Speaker 4: a way you've had to do with wrestling your whole life,
Speaker 4: where I'm like, it's not for kids.
Speaker 1: Here, watch this like I'll pull out visual aids.
Speaker 4: I'll really depending on my mood, I have shoved it
Speaker 4: down people's threats before, but I try not to.
Speaker 1: But because they asked, like I said, now it's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, you're not walking up to a conversation
Speaker 3: that's about you know, house siding or something and going like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, as it relates to skateboarding. You're not jamming it,
Speaker 3: but if someone wants to talk shit, you're there to
Speaker 3: take up for the thing that you believe in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of vinyl siding, you know, for a while
Speaker 4: skateboards made of plywood and they used a composite. Oh
Speaker 4: why is everyone leading know what a slick is?
Speaker 1: I do? I just yeah, I might have access to
Speaker 1: a slick right now. Actually, my first.
Speaker 3: Real skateboard, you know, because you get you get to
Speaker 3: like the nash or whatever from the toy store, and
Speaker 3: then you finally get to have a real deck in
Speaker 3: my first my first real skateboard was a Matt Hensley Mini.
Speaker 3: That was a slick.
Speaker 4: Oh see I went for the king size. Okay, I
Speaker 4: went Matt Hensley King size.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 4: Matt Hensley was one of the people I had on
Speaker 4: my wall. It seems I had like a wall of
Speaker 4: Matt Hensley at a wall of Jason Lee. Jason Lee
Speaker 4: went on to become an actor. The guy in my
Speaker 4: name is Earl and Matt Hensley quit skating at his
Speaker 4: peak and became a Billiard's pro like pool player, and
Speaker 4: then he was in flogging Mollie's.
Speaker 1: So that's how people might know those guys.
Speaker 4: But I always and now I respect that both those
Speaker 4: guys retired during their peak of being good at something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: even though when I was a kid, I'm like, why
Speaker 4: they're so good? Why am I going to keep doing this?
Speaker 4: If those guys are going to choose to quit? Now
Speaker 4: I understand, it seems.
Speaker 3: Like Kensley's kind of come back, though I keep seeing
Speaker 3: him now. It seems like he's skating a little bit again.
Speaker 1: The same with Jason Lee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's uh.
Speaker 4: You know, at some point you get tired of being
Speaker 4: a rock star and an actor and skateboarding perseveres. Also,
Speaker 4: I never wanted to mention skateboarding on this podcast because
Speaker 4: I assumed Karen wasn't into it, and then one day
Speaker 4: I found out that she was a closet admirer of skateboarder.
Speaker 4: I think she has like a childlike crush on a
Speaker 4: bunch of pro skaters. And then so all of a
Speaker 4: sudden we were starting to talk about skateboarding. It's such
Speaker 4: a There are entire episodes where we've talked about skateboarding
Speaker 4: and the whole time I've known her a decade, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't believe, you know, who Milton Martinez
Speaker 4: is like, that's how it started. She's like, I like
Speaker 4: this guy, Milton Martinez. I'm like, that is a current
Speaker 4: Wait what are you you're paying attention now? It wasn't
Speaker 4: like Tony Hawk or whatever. You know, she didn't bring
Speaker 4: up some but yeah, with wrestling, do you stay current
Speaker 4: on current wrestling or are you more nostalgic for eighties everything?
Speaker 3: All of it. I will dip. I will dip in
Speaker 3: and out, like like right now, ww, it's probably the
Speaker 3: least I've watched it in the last because it's just
Speaker 3: gotten It's just gotten real bad.
Speaker 1: But that's how wrecks that, theatrics of it.
Speaker 3: I think it's just the way wrestling works, right is
Speaker 3: you have to have you know, people that you can
Speaker 3: invest in, you like, and then there's a good story
Speaker 3: and you want to see the conclusion, which is always
Speaker 3: you know, them having.
Speaker 1: A far I guess.
Speaker 3: And I think that Vince McMahon, who even though they
Speaker 3: have writers and everything, he's he is the most hands
Speaker 3: on with every element. He's he's an old man and
Speaker 3: he just has lost the plot a little bit, and
Speaker 3: so now he's more concerned about like this pay per
Speaker 3: view a weekend or two ago, they had zombies around
Speaker 3: the ring. So at that point, I'm just like, this
Speaker 3: is you know, like these are two different things. Like
Speaker 3: if I want to watch zombies, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: need to see that here.
Speaker 4: But it's like so Vince McMahon showed up one day
Speaker 4: and said, my grandson like zombies, and then he went
Speaker 4: to how I like the Lorne Michaels or something like that.
Speaker 3: Those two are very similar. I've heard many times that
Speaker 3: that they have very similar personalities and and so yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think that I don't prefer that right now.
Speaker 3: But there's wrestling in Japan that I'm really into right now,
Speaker 3: wrestling in Mexico. There's a second second company that runs
Speaker 3: on TNT. Anyway, So yes, I'm watching current product. I
Speaker 3: always like to watch the old ship. I watch it all.
Speaker 4: There was a time that Jordan Morris and I when
Speaker 4: we worked at Fuel TV, that that network that brought
Speaker 4: me to Vegas and stuff, we sat in for the
Speaker 4: Luca Leebre wrestling Lucha vavoum, which, uh, yeah, what what
Speaker 4: kind of wrestling?
Speaker 3: And is that again that that's yeah, it's it's those
Speaker 3: are it's Luca.
Speaker 1: It's Luca.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, it's it's Mexican wrestling, Luca Luca doors.
Speaker 4: And for a segment they had me, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll let these guys throw me around.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good idea. Uh.
Speaker 4: And they did not hold back. Mostly it was slapping.
Speaker 4: I'm like, go ahead and slap me and leave hand marks.
Speaker 4: But then they started body slamming me. And if you
Speaker 4: aren't used to being thrown against ropes and then being clotheslined, uh,
Speaker 4: and you don't know.
Speaker 1: How to fall.
Speaker 4: I mean you can learn this from watching David Arquette
Speaker 4: or his Weird Ass documentary.
Speaker 1: I was I.
Speaker 4: I was looking into getting a neck brace, like when
Speaker 4: it didn't go away for a week, I had bruises.
Speaker 1: I was really messed up, like they beat me up.
Speaker 1: That was fair a separate thing, that was.
Speaker 4: But then Jordan and I commentated. Guests commentated with I
Speaker 4: think Tom Kinney and Dana Gould, who know how to
Speaker 4: talk about literally very wrestling without saying anything disparaging, whereas
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, that guy's dressed like a chicken.
Speaker 4: Let me yeah, let me make chicken jokes. And I
Speaker 4: offended the audience by making light of the characters that
Speaker 4: they were rooting for. I didn't know the storylines. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I was just trying to be funny.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, if i'm funny, I'll do well with this.
Speaker 4: Because I did watch it later, I'm like, wait, that
Speaker 4: was funny. Why are they throwing things? I did not
Speaker 4: know what I was getting myself into. It was overwhelming.
Speaker 4: It was so fun to go to that. But the
Speaker 4: whole crowd interaction and the whole hot rods pulling up,
Speaker 4: like all the it's like a classic car show, costume show,
Speaker 4: and and the effects, yeah, the burlesque and just the
Speaker 4: general like the presentation of it. The value is I
Speaker 4: was blown away by it. And but I know there's
Speaker 4: also like these underground wrestling things where you can drive
Speaker 4: out to Pacoima or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, Recida wasn't a.
Speaker 3: Big one for a long time. Recita was Like there's
Speaker 3: a point when I was going to recieda once a
Speaker 3: month where I thought it was the highest point of
Speaker 3: the art form. Like watching everything in the world at
Speaker 3: that time, I was like, the best ship that's going
Speaker 3: on right now is in Resita. And it was the
Speaker 3: people they had, But also that room, this like American
Speaker 3: Legion Hall. It felt like a hardcore show. It was
Speaker 3: like hot, it was tight, it was it was incredible,
Speaker 3: and slowly you start to see, you know, Joe Manganello's there,
Speaker 3: and then like it became a thing where it was
Speaker 3: like a hot enough ticket where people who I don't
Speaker 3: even think give a shit about wrestling, like what's that guy?
Speaker 3: Uh that when you start to see actors and shit anyway,
Speaker 3: just like ye show up?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But well, Ron funcches was when he moved to LA
Speaker 4: from Portland. He was the one like everyone needs to
Speaker 4: go to these shows so fun and I never made
Speaker 4: it happen. I think even back then I was scared
Speaker 4: to leave the house pre pre uh virus, but I
Speaker 4: I should have gone for some reason.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: It was like there's more like diving off ladders onto
Speaker 4: tacks and getting hit by light bulbs and stuff.
Speaker 1: Is that element?
Speaker 3: Not that one? So you mentioned the arquette thing like
Speaker 3: in that documentary you'll see me because during that match
Speaker 3: where he gets stabbed with a light tube, I was
Speaker 3: me and Matt and a couple other guys were right
Speaker 3: in the front row on the stage like we could
Speaker 3: grab the rope, but I had been to enough shows
Speaker 3: where they use light tubes that I fucking I bailed
Speaker 3: out because as soon as the two breaks, like, I
Speaker 3: don't want to breathe that shit in.
Speaker 1: Blow it's like glass powder.
Speaker 3: So so there are some promotions that are like that
Speaker 3: that run here, but the one that was in receipt
Speaker 3: it it was just more of an athletic style. So
Speaker 3: there would be a lot of dives and stuff, but
Speaker 3: not so much like people getting stuff broken over their
Speaker 3: head or or like that kind of stuff, but just
Speaker 3: super action packed and just you know, I think someone
Speaker 3: who's only watched wrestling a little bit or hasn't watched
Speaker 3: it since the eighties would immediately see moves that you
Speaker 3: were like, like, if you watch the skateboard video now
Speaker 3: as compared to whenever, you'd be like, oh shit, like
Speaker 3: I didn't even know this was possible now, you.
Speaker 4: Know, right right right? Yeah, Yeah, it's hard not to commit.
Speaker 4: I compare everything to skateboarding, Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It always makes me.
Speaker 4: I think of the movie The Wrestler, which I thought
Speaker 4: was really well done, and I couldn't help but to
Speaker 4: compare that with being an aging road, especially when they're
Speaker 4: all in a room with catheters selling their merch. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh God, maybe I should get a writing job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know Fuel TV.
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, there was a movie that I saw on
Speaker 3: there at some point when that channel existed called Little
Speaker 3: Foss and Big Halsey And it's a a Robert Redford movie.
Speaker 3: But it must be a movie that him or someone
Speaker 3: else has wanted to not have exist, right because I
Speaker 3: saw it and I was like, holy shit, it's like
Speaker 3: it's like him and the guy from like if it's
Speaker 3: Harold and Maud or one of those, and they're like
Speaker 3: they're motorcycle racers like in the seventies, and it's a
Speaker 3: crazy movie. And then I eventually found a like bootleg
Speaker 3: copy at Midtown Comics in New York or something, but
Speaker 3: you can't at least I haven't looked in a while,
Speaker 3: but it was like it'lled Little Foss and Big Halsey
Speaker 3: and like it's got fucking Johnny Cash does the soundtrack.
Speaker 3: Like everything is in place, but for some reason, it
Speaker 3: just it's not on DVD, Like it just doesn't it's
Speaker 3: not around anywhere.
Speaker 1: Wow, did you watch it?
Speaker 4: And maybe there's some off colored jokes in it or
Speaker 4: something that they're like, oh, I can't play.
Speaker 3: It was like, I mean, there was a little bit
Speaker 3: of like so it's him and Redford's definitely a womanizer.
Speaker 3: And it's not a very good movie. It's like a
Speaker 3: it's like a buddy movie where they race motorcycles. But
Speaker 3: there wasn't any in my recollection. I haven't seen it
Speaker 3: in a while. You know, I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 3: but but I don't recall anything overtly like like what
Speaker 3: the fuck in there? You know?
Speaker 1: So you're defending this movie no matter what you find.
Speaker 1: I definitely I'm on board for all of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want because I've always kind of been fascinated
Speaker 4: with Evil Canevel, just because he's a stuntman and I
Speaker 4: kind of respect that. But he's from Butte, Montana, so
Speaker 4: I grew up knowing that he was from the town
Speaker 4: near us near Missoula. But I found in Walmart a
Speaker 4: ninety nine cent DVD starring George Hamilton the Story of
Speaker 4: Evil Canevel, and so I bought all of them. I'm like,
Speaker 4: because it had a ridiculous look and cover, but it
Speaker 4: was actually a pretty good movie and it was shot
Speaker 4: actually in Butte, and there was really specific jokes about
Speaker 4: the mining sinkholes there and and I don't know if
Speaker 4: it was a storyline they made up for the movie,
Speaker 4: but he was like a Robinhood guy that was robbing
Speaker 4: banks and giving it to poor people in Butte. I
Speaker 4: don't know if there's any truth to that. But as
Speaker 4: you watch it, I realized, Oh, the reason no one
Speaker 4: has seen this is they make light of sexual assault,
Speaker 4: like there the rape word is in that as a joke.
Speaker 4: So many times that I was like, oh, that's why
Speaker 4: this is not available anyway. It's it is riddled with
Speaker 4: things that you shouldn't and can't say.
Speaker 3: Hey, what about love at First Bite? You know that
Speaker 3: George Hamilton movie.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Wait a minute, is that the
Speaker 4: one with Jim Carrey. There's another there's a no that's
Speaker 4: once Bitten. Yeah, there's a Jim Carre vampire movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, love it first bye. George Hamilton's the most tan
Speaker 3: vampire in the history of vampires.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, you've been dead three hundred years. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to You're supposed to be pale.
Speaker 3: Especially when you know, when you hit the sack kind
Speaker 3: of early, you know, and you stay there.
Speaker 1: It's uh, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not supposed to be getting them, but you know it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean to say that you can't use self tanner
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, they they Every vampire has their own fashioned choices.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was hanging upside down for a long time
Speaker 4: all the blood went to his face.
Speaker 3: Also a fair point.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, George Hamilton is someone that has been
Speaker 4: I've known who that was since I was a little kid,
Speaker 4: and until you mentioned that vampire movie and I said,
Speaker 4: I don't remember why I knew who he was.
Speaker 3: He was just on everything in the In the Evil
Speaker 3: can Eevil, do they showcase his like crystal cane that
Speaker 3: you would keep wild turkey in?
Speaker 4: Yes, yea, there is specific That's why I that's what
Speaker 4: I liked about the movie is the specifics in it
Speaker 4: actually taught me about Evil Knevil like he was.
Speaker 1: He accidentally got into jumping.
Speaker 4: Over cars on a motorcycle when a rodeo wasn't doing well.
Speaker 4: According to this movie, yeah, they're like, well, I know
Speaker 4: how to get more attendance at your rodeo. I'm going
Speaker 4: to jump this motorcycle over a car and people that
Speaker 4: went really well, you should do more cars like it
Speaker 4: just became. But he was a very unlikable character in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the early days of thrill seeking.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, you had to find it where you could
Speaker 4: the thrills, and sometimes it was out of rodeo.
Speaker 3: Chad Pastrana would not have had anything to do in
Speaker 3: those days. They were still trying to figure out what,
Speaker 3: you know, how to dive off of shit and jump
Speaker 3: on things. So evil was on the forefront.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that Travis Pastran It's maybe the Musha channel.
Speaker 1: Sorry, No, he's a real Chad though.
Speaker 4: I mean when you look at his face, he's a chant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Travis is more like, uh, you know, he travels
Speaker 4: at least, but yeah, yeah, he he is the most.
Speaker 1: He's the Tony Hawk of that motocross.
Speaker 4: Like he can be on a talk show and answer
Speaker 4: questions and be charismatic, but he is a lunatic.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: One time Jordan, the guy worked with, they did like
Speaker 4: a thumb wrestling thing as a gimmick. We always had
Speaker 4: to and for no reason at all, and I still
Speaker 4: don't understand it. Uh, during the I declare a thumb
Speaker 4: wre right at the he just punched.
Speaker 1: Jordan in the nose.
Speaker 4: What and Jordan didn't miss a beat and turned the
Speaker 4: camera and did the outro for the segment as blood
Speaker 4: came down to each nostril. And I think we aired
Speaker 4: it and it probably scared a lot of parents. But
Speaker 4: pro after that, I was like, Oh, this guy's he's
Speaker 4: just a thrill sneaker. He was trying to seek thrills
Speaker 4: by punching.
Speaker 3: He's like, listen, man, I was just trying to get
Speaker 3: your adrenaline up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm an adrenaline junkie, even when it's someone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The guy after that, he made me nervous all the time,
Speaker 4: and I always had to be in the same room
Speaker 4: as that guy.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, because you're going like, at what point will
Speaker 3: he decide it's time to punch me for fun?
Speaker 1: Gag? Yeah.
Speaker 4: One time in Vegas, I went as a magician, kind
Speaker 4: of a Sigfried and Roy magician, and interviewed these guys
Speaker 4: because they had the Nitro Circus was in Vegas, and
Speaker 4: they all of them wanted to fight me.
Speaker 1: They didn't know who I really was.
Speaker 4: I was really in character, and I was like, you
Speaker 4: guys know that I'm doing a thing right now. I
Speaker 4: would bail on it and like, turn off the cameras. Hey,
Speaker 4: this is how I really talk. I respect motocross, I skateboard,
Speaker 4: and you can stop flexing your jowls and your fists
Speaker 4: while you talk to me, because I'm picking up on
Speaker 4: how angry you're getting. And then they'd snap out of it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, back to the magician character like.
Speaker 3: And then slowly they get wound back up and you'd
Speaker 3: have to remind him again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, remember what I said when we turned
Speaker 4: the cameras off.
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of memory of the previous
Speaker 1: I've hit my head a lot.
Speaker 3: I was just thinking about the hold in the Roman Candle.
Speaker 4: One of those Metal Militia guys boxed Dave Mirra BMX
Speaker 4: guy that sadly passed away, but they both trained and
Speaker 4: there was a boxing match, and I think Mike Tyson
Speaker 4: trained them. It actually ended up being an amazing boxing match.
Speaker 4: Two guys that a year prior to that had no
Speaker 4: knowledge of boxing, and they got really good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I interviewed the uh.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the Metal Malaysia guy's name, but yeah,
Speaker 4: at the end of it, he punched me in the stomach,
Speaker 4: like they just I just remembered I got punched by
Speaker 4: those Motorcross guys like to punch you during interviews.
Speaker 3: Man, it's everyone has a different you know, love language
Speaker 3: or whatever. But it just seems a little weird that
Speaker 3: the these adrenaline junkies have to physically assault people their
Speaker 3: love language.
Speaker 4: That was just how they were letting me know they
Speaker 4: were somewhat attracted to me.
Speaker 3: Yes, it reverts back to the earliest days on the
Speaker 3: playground at Recess.
Speaker 4: It was like when the girl that I like used
Speaker 4: to steal my hat and I thought she's being mean.
Speaker 4: She really just wanted to kiss me, getting me Travis Pastrana,
Speaker 4: you want to kiss me on the.
Speaker 1: Mouth, didn't you?
Speaker 3: He needs to come clean.
Speaker 4: Other than golfing during this thing, What have you been
Speaker 4: getting into hobbies?
Speaker 3: No, let's see, man, you know, recording the old podcast,
Speaker 3: I think I've told you. You know, I spent about
Speaker 3: the first six or eight months, you know, making sure
Speaker 3: I drank about.
Speaker 1: Fifteen beers every night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I realized that that wasn't going to
Speaker 3: be a sustainable hobby for me.
Speaker 1: Well, Georgia, did she stop? She like decide not?
Speaker 3: She has? Yeah, she's not doing it right. Now, so
Speaker 3: I'm sort of make me yeah, in solidarity at home.
Speaker 3: I'm not I do obviously when I when I call
Speaker 3: for if I'm out of the house, you know, which
Speaker 3: has been good anyway. But yeah, so I was definitely
Speaker 3: because you know, I think early days pandemics like I
Speaker 3: don't really know what's going on and just stuck at home.
Speaker 3: So it's five o'clock, let's just do it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of people were doing that.
Speaker 4: It was so similar to my normal life where I'm
Speaker 4: just waiting for shows at night that I was right away,
Speaker 4: and I was scared. I was scared about I'm like,
Speaker 4: do I need to outfit my car for traveling across
Speaker 4: the country. Do I need to buy gas canisters? I'm
Speaker 4: going to work out. I bought all this gym equipment,
Speaker 4: rubber bands and stuff, and I was watching videos and
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going to drink.
Speaker 1: I'm just but I was alone. I was like kind
Speaker 1: of going.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a voice of reason with like, hey,
Speaker 4: it's going to be okay, you can have a sip
Speaker 4: of wine. Let's just I thought it would unre you know,
Speaker 4: I'd go off in some weird directions. So I was
Speaker 4: doing such a good job in the beginning, and it
Speaker 4: wasn't until I start to see everything getting back to
Speaker 4: normal and others thriving and getting back to working that
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, I'm going to start drinking again.
Speaker 1: I'm going to create my own obstacle.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but everyone else has sorted it out.
Speaker 3: Now it's my turn to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if other people are doing something, I don't like
Speaker 4: it anymore.
Speaker 1: Kind of like Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Speaker 4: I really liked that band, and then once they had
Speaker 4: a song on the radio, I'm like, boy, they suck.
Speaker 4: That's a bad example, because they do indeed suck now,
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The other weird thing is, so I I've kind of
Speaker 3: always been into trading car cards, baseball, basketball, hockey, stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and I don't know if it's the pandemic
Speaker 3: or what happened. It definitely happened during the pandemic where
Speaker 3: they just have gone insane in popularity, where like on
Speaker 3: a national level, like Target doesn't sell them in the
Speaker 3: store anymore, Walmart doesn't because people were being crazy. But
Speaker 3: like as part of that, like a box of cards
Speaker 3: that cost let's say, fifty dollars in twenty nineteen now
Speaker 3: cost one hundred and fifty or something like.
Speaker 1: Everything has just gone insane.
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I don't know if people were
Speaker 3: home and then I was reading articles like, well, the
Speaker 3: card values are outpacing the like stock market, so people
Speaker 3: are investing in cards rather than that. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that is classically a hobby. I think
Speaker 4: older folks are probably getting back into stamps. I and
Speaker 4: I was, I was, I was keeping it to myself
Speaker 4: a little bit, but I got into miniatures and found
Speaker 4: out a lot of people like Sarah Shaefer made a miniature.
Speaker 1: I saw that comedy.
Speaker 4: It's unbelievable, so like it is, it is professional level.
Speaker 4: I still if you if you don't know Sarah Shaeffer,
Speaker 4: she her and Nicki Glazer at a podcast together.
Speaker 1: She's a great comic.
Speaker 4: But on the side, I think she just got into
Speaker 4: it in the past year like I did. But she
Speaker 4: made a working a comedy club with like a little
Speaker 4: menu like Henry little detail. But but yeah, but from scratch,
Speaker 4: like I think she built the walls out of masonite
Speaker 4: and measure and built. I used a kit and then
Speaker 4: modified my little kit, but she started from scratch and
Speaker 4: it's go to her instagram if you are interested. And
Speaker 4: a lot of people are interested in it. I found
Speaker 4: because I think I was talking about it a little
Speaker 4: bit before.
Speaker 1: I was into it. Before the pandemic.
Speaker 4: I just wasn't actively making stuff, but people were always
Speaker 4: bringing me tiny little things.
Speaker 1: Here's a little coke bottle. Here's so.
Speaker 4: I have accumulated many miniature accessories.
Speaker 3: But so do you paint them or what's the.
Speaker 4: No, it's not like the figures or because I'm into
Speaker 4: that too. And I when I was a kid, I
Speaker 4: was into train sets. I wanted a train set like
Speaker 4: in Arthur where his train set is his alarm and
Speaker 4: he wakes up to it. That I always thought was
Speaker 4: so cool, little ice skaters and stuff. Yeah, now I
Speaker 4: think this is more like I'm into backgrounds of animation
Speaker 4: like Wallace and Grommet, like t you know, one twelfth
Speaker 4: size brick walls and stuff like that. Like I'm just
Speaker 4: into it. I always have been, even when I was
Speaker 4: a kid. I want my dad and I to I'm like,
Speaker 4: I want to make this a dollhouse, I think, And
Speaker 4: he's like, what about a wild West facade like a mercantile,
Speaker 4: and like, I think he was scared that I wanted
Speaker 4: to play with dolls.
Speaker 1: But I've stressed this before.
Speaker 4: I'm not into the dolls. I just like where they live,
Speaker 4: and I like tiny furniture.
Speaker 3: What a shame that you have to even qualify that.
Speaker 1: You know what, I don't anymore.
Speaker 4: I like dollhouses, and if someone gave me some dolls,
Speaker 4: I would maybe position them in the little rooms that
Speaker 4: I've built and probably enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: Maybe get a little sewing machine and make some clothes.
Speaker 1: The best part would be outfitting them. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a buddy who makes who will occasionally make
Speaker 3: like paper dolls, which is all really really cool to me,
Speaker 3: just like the ability to sort of do that shit.
Speaker 4: But you know, I was thinking maybe that because I
Speaker 4: was gonna make a little clamation old guy in my
Speaker 4: library here, like grabbing a book, just try and learn animation.
Speaker 4: But I was thinking pieces of paper would maybe be
Speaker 4: easy to manipulate, and so maybe.
Speaker 1: I should do paper dolls. Yeah, it would be kind
Speaker 1: of cool. M M. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I got to get into it. I keep putting it off.
Speaker 4: I keep going outside and getting sun it's getting in
Speaker 4: the way of my indoor time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to spend a little more
Speaker 3: time in there getting a queen.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm are you. We might be golfing tomorrow together, right,
Speaker 1: are you golfing tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Golfing tomorrow? Just the not both, but but the early
Speaker 3: I'll be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I'm just doing the early.
Speaker 3: Early the next three days.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll see you soon. Awesome, And it might as
Speaker 4: well wrap up here. Yeah, we've done long enough. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that I've gotten to know you this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, it's been awesome and I appreciate you having
Speaker 3: me on here as well. But very cool finding out
Speaker 3: who Chris Fairbanks is after all this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah good good finding out about the mysterious Vince cool Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for being on. You've been listening to Do you
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Speaker 4: That's I've always done that, Vince the kind of outro
Speaker 4: cool Man usually at the end, I homed Hong Kong.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't do the Hong Kong. Are you leaving?
Speaker 1: I you wanna way back home?
Speaker 3: Either way, we want.
Speaker 2: To be there, doesn't matter how much baggage you claim
Speaker 2: and give us time and a Turmano and gay. We
Speaker 2: want to send you off InStyle. You want to welcome
Speaker 2: you back home. Tell us all about it.
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