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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two. On this Tuesday, Dan and the
Speaker 1: Danettees dan Patrick Show spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: the first hour talking about what could possibly be the
Speaker 1: best game of the NFL season last night certainly went
Speaker 1: back and forth and the Ravens beating the Browns forty
Speaker 1: seven forty two. They came in as a three three
Speaker 1: and a half point favored in this game, and a
Speaker 1: bad beat because even if you're there and you go,
Speaker 1: all right, Justin Tucker kicked the field goal, all right,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a push, and then the Browns
Speaker 1: try to make something happen, and then they end up
Speaker 1: with his safety, and that is a bad beat. Although
Speaker 1: I always look at it this way. We say it's
Speaker 1: a bad beat, But what about the guy who goes,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what's best case scenario? Oh, Justin Tucker
Speaker 1: kicks the field goal and it's a push, the Brown's
Speaker 1: trying to do something, and no, it's a safety. I
Speaker 1: just covered. I just won. I just won this beat.
Speaker 1: We never talk about that. I know Scott Van Pelt
Speaker 1: does his bad beats occasionally. I'd like for him to
Speaker 1: talk to somebody who benefits from the bad beat or
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great win there, but going in
Speaker 1: it's three points. Tucker kicks the field goal, You're all right,
Speaker 1: it's a push and then you get the safety there
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Speaker 1: and Dan Patrick dot com. We'll talk to Lewis Riddick.
Speaker 1: He worked the game last night for the mother Ship.
Speaker 1: Get his thoughts on which team will be more dangerous
Speaker 1: assuming both are getting into the playoffs, the Ravens and
Speaker 1: the Browns, And I would say the Ravens because they
Speaker 1: have the X factor. There's only a couple of X
Speaker 1: factors in the NFL when you think about it. Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes certainly an X factor, Aaron Rodgers an X factor,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald an X factor. You could look at maybe
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is getting up there as one of those
Speaker 1: X factors. I don't look at Drew Brees or Tom
Speaker 1: Brady as X factors. Kyler Murray can be, Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: certainly as an X factor. There's there's a handful of them.
Speaker 1: But with Lamar Jackson you have something that is unique.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna beat you consistently with his arm, but
Speaker 1: he will beat you consistently with his legs, and you
Speaker 1: saw that last night, running for over one hundred yards
Speaker 1: and picking up a big win on the road. Here
Speaker 1: is John Harbaugh talking about his quarterback. They played a
Speaker 1: very good football game, and we played a very good
Speaker 1: football game. It was one of it's it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a game that's gonna go down in history. So
Speaker 1: it's just proud to be a part of it and
Speaker 1: really proud of our players. Here is Baker Mayfield talking
Speaker 1: about seeing Lamar Jackson come out of the locker room
Speaker 1: with two minutes to go. He's an unbelievable player, unbelievable guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, his work ethic is unreal. It was like
Speaker 1: the scene of a movie. You know. I hate that
Speaker 1: for tracing sorely, praying that he's he's okay. But you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as he down, you can see Lamar trotting
Speaker 1: back out of the field. It was, you know, geez,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he's a great player. So you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to just try and contain him.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna be able to stop guys like that.
Speaker 1: He's just a great player. The team's combined for nine
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns. That tied for the most in any game
Speaker 1: in NFL history. Last time it happened nineteen twenty two.
Speaker 1: I almost get the feeling that, let's say this was
Speaker 1: a movie. Lamar Jackson goes into the locker room. We
Speaker 1: don't know why he went in there. He said he
Speaker 1: was cramping up, maybe getting an ivy. So we follow
Speaker 1: him in there. You know, the camera, you know, the
Speaker 1: dolly is going to follow him. And then he goes
Speaker 1: into the locker room. They put a needle in his arm,
Speaker 1: and then the IV happens, and you could hear the
Speaker 1: crowd a little bit, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: somebody's he wants to have updates there. So he's sitting
Speaker 1: there getting his IV. Wait, wait, what's happening, what's happening?
Speaker 1: Trace McSorley just went down awkwardly. Take out the needle.
Speaker 1: We can't take out the needle. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he walks to the door and then he
Speaker 1: opens the door and then there's the lights that are
Speaker 1: on him, and then he runs out and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he throws a touchdown pass. That's how
Speaker 1: Spielberg probably would have done it. Take out the needle,
Speaker 1: No we can't take out. I'm gonna take it out myself. No,
Speaker 1: Na takes out the needle and then he runs out
Speaker 1: on the field. At least that's how I kind of
Speaker 1: envisioned it last night. It might be I've got to
Speaker 1: get back in this game. My teammates need me now.
Speaker 1: It might have been Lamar comes in and he's got
Speaker 1: to use the bathroom and we got him in the stall,
Speaker 1: so it's probably less cinematic there. You know what happened.
Speaker 1: He had to go to the bathroom number two? Oh okay,
Speaker 1: not to Hollywood ending, although it was a Hollywood ending
Speaker 1: because Hollywood Brown caught the touchdown pass for the Ravens there,
Speaker 1: yeah s mclevn. Unbelievable. When he pulls out the cord,
Speaker 1: blood spurts in the air cinematically right, and with the
Speaker 1: ivy it can't be. It has to be one of
Speaker 1: those old glass ivy, so it smashes to the ground
Speaker 1: as he's running out every one of the bag ivs.
Speaker 1: There's no sound there. Pulled the needle out. We can't
Speaker 1: all do it myself in and then slow motion blood's
Speaker 1: coming out and then the ivy dripping, and then you
Speaker 1: see him go out and then all of a sudden magic, Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a similar cinematic if there was a
Speaker 1: big flush and he's running and there's toilet paper hanging
Speaker 1: from the back of his cleat he's running into the stadium. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The clip that everyone's looking at, Lamar is running in
Speaker 1: the back. There's actually like a locker room attendant who
Speaker 1: opens a door that almost takes Lamar out and they
Speaker 1: almost running into each other. That'd be the worst case scenario,
Speaker 1: like he had to avoid the locker room attendan. I
Speaker 1: just saw this tweet. It's funny. I don't know the
Speaker 1: person sending it out. No Fogel tweets. The rest of
Speaker 1: the Jets games this season will be on Comedy Central.
Speaker 1: That's good. The Browns play the Giants next Sunday Night,
Speaker 1: and the Browns three and a half point favorites there
Speaker 1: in New York. We'll have a poll question. I think
Speaker 1: are we gonna stay with the pole question for the
Speaker 1: first hour in mcloven eight seven seven three D P
Speaker 1: show email address dp A dan Patrick dot com Twitter
Speaker 1: handle the DP show. The first hour I just put
Speaker 1: up would you rather have Nick Chubb or Justin Tucker fifty.
Speaker 1: That's a stupid question. Why are we doing that? I
Speaker 1: think it's true. I mean I don't think anyone wants
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, by the way. I think most people would
Speaker 1: not even want him on the roster for nothing. No, no,
Speaker 1: But I mean it comes out of nowhere with that,
Speaker 1: like have sometime, it's a little broader with your that's
Speaker 1: a fair question though. Nick Chubb is a breakaway running
Speaker 1: back and really good. But your point about Justin Tucker
Speaker 1: being a sure thing is kind of the point that
Speaker 1: the best kicker by far the best kicker. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a point. It's a question, but it's
Speaker 1: on a pole. Pole question should be who do you
Speaker 1: think is gonna be more dangerous in the postseason? Assuming
Speaker 1: they both make it? The Ravens of the Browns, like
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker over Nick Chubb. People are probably going, huh,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think the Browns are. I think people
Speaker 1: are dying to play the Browns of the playoffs. Like
Speaker 1: there there were three point underdogs at home against the
Speaker 1: Rave The Ravens are are. Paul, you asked a question
Speaker 1: how many teams the AFC scarier for the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are one of those teams, aren't
Speaker 1: they because of like you said, they're they're unusual. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not the Browns. I think if they play a
Speaker 1: perfect game, then then they can beat Kansas City, they
Speaker 1: can beat Pittsburgh. Um, they can beat I think anybody
Speaker 1: in the AFC. But it's a perfect game once again,
Speaker 1: and it's rare that that happens. And that is you
Speaker 1: run the football, you run for at least two hundred yards,
Speaker 1: Baker has no interceptions, UM play action and you put
Speaker 1: pressure on Patrick Mahomes and you don't have to blitz anybody.
Speaker 1: Like if you play a perfect game like that, then
Speaker 1: you have a chance to win. But it's really rare.
Speaker 1: We've seen teams that play a perfect half against Kansas
Speaker 1: City three quarters. You gotta play four quarters perfect game.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think Baltimore is a dangerous team
Speaker 1: because they'll get healthier. You know, he still don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of weapons as far as the passing game
Speaker 1: with Baltimore, but you know, maybe it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot more Lamar Jackson and I think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to take ownership here. And it felt like last night
Speaker 1: that's what you got with Lamar Jackson. Here's Jackson talking
Speaker 1: about returning to the game. I get a ball to
Speaker 1: JK and my legendstar Tramp and I'm like, bro right,
Speaker 1: I need something now to help me get better real quick,
Speaker 1: because this is a crucial game right here. You know,
Speaker 1: both teams you playing their hearts out. And we went
Speaker 1: to the back on Doctor Tucks. I'm helping me out
Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, trads were doing a great
Speaker 1: job dropping the ball down the field. And then I
Speaker 1: see him and we got to start in nine. We
Speaker 1: just got to go out and I start running out there,
Speaker 1: care running with me. It's fourth now, and office brought
Speaker 1: blot e tail off and our guys and me greet
Speaker 1: catches him. We came out with the vigory. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was impressive. It was and Justin Tucker with the field goal,
Speaker 1: and then you had the safety as well. Forty seven
Speaker 1: forty two four years ago today we lost Craig Sagar.
Speaker 1: The NBA season is one week away. I saw where
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving was walking back some of his comments. I
Speaker 1: don't really care, you know, if Kyrie wants to talk
Speaker 1: or not want it, doesn't want to talk, I mean
Speaker 1: it doesn't change my day, but he does owe it
Speaker 1: two NBA fans who actually care what he has to say.
Speaker 1: And he now knows that that it's going to cost
Speaker 1: him and his team a lot of money. And while
Speaker 1: he makes thirty three million, he may not care, but
Speaker 1: his team is going to care. And uh, he walked
Speaker 1: back a comment that he made a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I knew when he made this comment, but this is
Speaker 1: when Steve Nash first took over, and I went, oh,
Speaker 1: this comment is not going to age. Well, here was
Speaker 1: Kyrie irving yesterday. He's been amazing and it really is
Speaker 1: a reflection of the type of person is you know,
Speaker 1: and the IQ he has for the game. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I gotta take back my comments in terms
Speaker 1: of the head coach back in a few months ago.
Speaker 1: But it's just like, man, we have such a great synergy.
Speaker 1: Everyone feels like we're coaching one another to be better.
Speaker 1: So I'm grateful for that. That wasn't that difficult. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't And he and he spoke to us pawns,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that the King spoke to us.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Yeah, I hate to sort of like, Wow,
Speaker 1: it turns out he is actually a coach. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: my bad, there's out Steve. Actually it's kind of a coach,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I gotta walk that one back. I don't
Speaker 1: think Kyrie would appreciate if Steve Nash goes. I'm basically
Speaker 1: going to play point out there. I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: brains with these guys on the floor. You know they're
Speaker 1: gonna listen to me. Since I'm a two time MVP
Speaker 1: and I'm a Hall of Famer. That wouldn't age well
Speaker 1: with Kyrie. I don't think I had fun watching them
Speaker 1: their game against the Wizards. I watched LaMelo ball last night.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of room on the bandwagon here, you know,
Speaker 1: because of his dad, nobody wants to board the plane.
Speaker 1: But I will say he is going to be fun.
Speaker 1: He really is. He's got he's got something, you know.
Speaker 1: They call it the IT factor. LaMelo can play and
Speaker 1: play at a high level. It comes down to decisions
Speaker 1: that he makes. Every time I've watched him, he makes
Speaker 1: decisions where you go, what are you thinking? And if
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the ball in your hands? You know
Speaker 1: I don't. You can't have somebody out there where you go,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Like, you're the leader, you're the
Speaker 1: point guard. But he can see the open man, find
Speaker 1: the open man. His shot is not bad. It starts low,
Speaker 1: but it's far better than his an older brother and
Speaker 1: uh lie Angelo ball. They call him Jello. He got
Speaker 1: cut by the Detroit Pistons and Dad was not pleased.
Speaker 1: He called them a raggedy team. Jello can shoot. I
Speaker 1: just don't think he can play. He's he's an elite
Speaker 1: shooter that I don't think he's a good player, an
Speaker 1: NBA player. I should say, as you know, you always
Speaker 1: say we'll find the superstars. Do you think we'll find
Speaker 1: Lamello in Charlotte? I was watching the highlights. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I kind of forgot they had a
Speaker 1: franchise at some point. You know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: low buzz team generally. Will that change? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we found we've we've found players in different places before.
Speaker 1: We found them in Cleveland. Trying to think, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: when Shaq was in Orlando with Penny Hardaway, I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens, but you're able to watch all of these
Speaker 1: game Zion's in New Orleans. We're gonna find them. The
Speaker 1: question is will the networks bring them to your attention?
Speaker 1: Will they make it easier for you to find them
Speaker 1: and show Charlotte on TV, because up until now you'd
Speaker 1: show Charlotte and go boy. I hope Kemba Walker gets
Speaker 1: out of there. Oh, there's Michael Jordan at a game,
Speaker 1: and that would be just about it. But I think
Speaker 1: that maybe that Yeah, they have to be decent. That's
Speaker 1: the only problem because you can tune in and watch
Speaker 1: LaMelo ball. But I don't know if the team is
Speaker 1: going to be that good this year. But he is.
Speaker 1: He's worth he's worth watching, He's worth finding. I will
Speaker 1: say that. Let me see anything else I need to
Speaker 1: mention here. Dan Zion thirty three and a half minutes
Speaker 1: last Oh, they've turned him loose. I'm rounding up to
Speaker 1: thirty four. Oh, they've turned him loose. Oh. I love
Speaker 1: that they're turning Zion on loose this year. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know if thirty three minutes is turning him loose,
Speaker 1: but great. I hope he plays an awful lot. See
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Speaker 1: A couple of phone calls in here Tom in Los Angeles, Hi, Tom,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Hey? I just was wondering
Speaker 1: if he had a chance to yeah about the Kyrie thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty transparent that one, he's trying to
Speaker 1: suck up all the oxygen knowing that this is now
Speaker 1: going to be Katie's team, just like it was in
Speaker 1: Golden State and in Oklahoma City. And also how long
Speaker 1: do you think this will last before Katie kind of
Speaker 1: gets sick of Facebook Kyrie trying to pass aggressively create
Speaker 1: his own headlines by taking all the attention away, Like
Speaker 1: if Katie is a thirty plus game, but they want
Speaker 1: to talk about Kyrie and I wanted to talk, how
Speaker 1: long do you think that's going to go? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: I think Kad understood he has to know who Kyrie
Speaker 1: Irving is. It's not like he got to Brooklyn and went,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what's he doing here? Katie loves to
Speaker 1: tweet Kyrie. It feels like it's sometimes passive aggressive there,
Speaker 1: but Katie does his damage behind the scenes. When he
Speaker 1: tweets out stuff or you tweet something and then he
Speaker 1: gets angry and he tweets back at you. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if Katie's going, hey, I want my attention here.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a great experiment just these personalities
Speaker 1: together and it could either be really good or really bad.
Speaker 1: It feels like I don't know if there's middle ground here,
Speaker 1: but it was wonderful to see Katie back out there,
Speaker 1: because you know, we haven't seen a player like this
Speaker 1: in NBA history. Who is that tall, that mobile, who
Speaker 1: can go to the hoop, mid range jumper, great at
Speaker 1: the free throw line, long range jumper that he there
Speaker 1: is a I know we'd love to throw out in
Speaker 1: Unicorn and Chris stops portzingis used to be a Unicorn.
Speaker 1: You know, Kadi is probably the original Unicorn because you
Speaker 1: just you don't expect somebody that big to be that graceful.
Speaker 1: His stroke is wonderful and he's he won't end up
Speaker 1: as the old time leading score, but he might be,
Speaker 1: you know, the greatest score we've ever seen from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of what where he did it, how he did it,
Speaker 1: and look hardon is going to be unstoppable for many
Speaker 1: years to come, and you know Lebron's going to be
Speaker 1: the all time leading scorer probably, But there are guys
Speaker 1: where you go that he's unique. You know, Kareem was
Speaker 1: unique from the standpoint of he had a ballet type
Speaker 1: feel to him, jazz type feel to him. Harden is
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just gonna I have brute force, but I
Speaker 1: do have finesse. Katie is not going to muscle anybody.
Speaker 1: He looks like the same size then when he was
Speaker 1: a freshman at Texas. But to watch what he does
Speaker 1: and how he does it from different places on the floor,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that before, and he won't have the
Speaker 1: most points, but we might look at him as you know,
Speaker 1: that was unstoppable, and there are very few players where
Speaker 1: you go unstoppable. James Harden is unstoppable. Now when he stopped,
Speaker 1: he gets stopped, he stopped himself. Kareem to me was unstoppable.
Speaker 1: Wilton a previous generation was unstoppable. There are players, you know, Jordan,
Speaker 1: I guess at times you know was unstoppable. But you
Speaker 1: saw something with KD and I'm glad it's back, But
Speaker 1: you know you're dealing with a guy coming off and
Speaker 1: Achilles surgery hasn't played in a year and a half,
Speaker 1: and how many you're gonna have to limit his minutes
Speaker 1: and that will be tricky as well with both Kyrie
Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant. But to watch them and that's a
Speaker 1: good team. Now, the Nets are a good team. The
Speaker 1: question is those role players who were stars before these
Speaker 1: guys came in, how do they sort of immerse themselves
Speaker 1: back into being just a role player instead of I
Speaker 1: get my touches, I'm averaging twenty a game, din Wittie
Speaker 1: Carris Lavert, like these guys got shots, they got points,
Speaker 1: Joe Harris, And that's tricky as well when it comes
Speaker 1: to those two coming in and taking all the air
Speaker 1: out of the room. More phone calls coming up. Lewis Riddick,
Speaker 1: who called the game last night from the mother Ship.
Speaker 1: He'll join us. Who was a more dangerous team come
Speaker 1: playoff time? Between these two? We'll talk to him about
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Speaker 1: He was on the broadcast last night with Brian Greasy
Speaker 1: and Steve Levy. He's Lewis Riddick, who was kind enough
Speaker 1: to join us on the program. Lewis, let me start
Speaker 1: with this question. Thanks for joining us. Was this a
Speaker 1: good night for the Cleveland Browns. Yes, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: And I know you know I said, and I said
Speaker 1: last night Dan, that there's no Constellation prizes in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no moral victories. But I think for
Speaker 1: this football team and for the city, given the fact
Speaker 1: that this is a team that had beaten them eight
Speaker 1: out of the past eleven games, I believe it was
Speaker 1: right in the past ten games something like that. And
Speaker 1: given the fact that there were narratives surrounding the Browns,
Speaker 1: is really not a narrative. I mean, it's the truth
Speaker 1: that they hadn't beaten anybody good. They hadn't really stood
Speaker 1: up and really given the quality teams for say, in
Speaker 1: the NFL, real good games outside of you know, playing
Speaker 1: Tennessee the way they did the week before and beating them.
Speaker 1: They needed to have a good performance. They needed to
Speaker 1: have a strong performance. They needed to show that they
Speaker 1: can compete for three three and a half hours however
Speaker 1: long a game is going to take, and compete at
Speaker 1: a high level and play an exciting brand of football
Speaker 1: for really people to say that's not the same old
Speaker 1: brown then, And I think they accomplished that. And if
Speaker 1: you know, for a play here and there for them
Speaker 1: not that you know, if it wasn't for the fact
Speaker 1: that they went up against the raigning MVP, who quite
Speaker 1: honestly put on like a superman like performance last night,
Speaker 1: they've wouldn't have to get that football game. And I
Speaker 1: think people, I think people, if you really look at it,
Speaker 1: you don't have any kind of grudge against the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns and or aren't just predetermined to say, look the
Speaker 1: Browns or the Browns and they're not they're they're not
Speaker 1: going to be relevant again, and you would you would
Speaker 1: make that kind of objective assessment. But this is a
Speaker 1: different football team and the fancy has been going in
Speaker 1: the right direction. Assuming both make the playoffs, who would
Speaker 1: be the tougher out? Oh wow, Um. I would probably
Speaker 1: still say the Ravens will still be the tougher out
Speaker 1: because of the fact that Lamar's just so different. He's
Speaker 1: such a difference maker and when his you know, if
Speaker 1: he if he's not able to really get it going
Speaker 1: through the air, whether it be because he's not on
Speaker 1: or because the wide receiver corps is letting him down
Speaker 1: in many respects like they did last night for the
Speaker 1: better part of the game, until you know, Mark and
Speaker 1: Us and Marquis Brown makes them good big plays late.
Speaker 1: I still think that they have enough on the offensive
Speaker 1: side to give Every team is scared because of Lamar,
Speaker 1: because of how specially he is just as an athlete overall.
Speaker 1: And I think the defense, you know, they were down
Speaker 1: to some players last night, particularly in the secondary, and
Speaker 1: they started to cost them late in the game. I
Speaker 1: think the defense is one where they'll be able to
Speaker 1: ratchet it up and they will be able to make
Speaker 1: enough plays, enough game changing plays in order to keep
Speaker 1: them in it and give Lamar enough possessions to win
Speaker 1: a football game in a single elimination type scenario. So
Speaker 1: I'd give them the nod. Yeah, I would too, because
Speaker 1: Lamar is one of the handful of players has that
Speaker 1: IT factor, and I think that the Ravens are going
Speaker 1: to get healthier here over the next month. But if
Speaker 1: I'm Cleveland's defense, like, what did they want Lamar to
Speaker 1: do last night? What were they trying to get him
Speaker 1: to do? Because I still don't know. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: a great point. It's a great point. What happened was,
Speaker 1: you know what's him? They let him get every time
Speaker 1: every time they played man to man coverage against their
Speaker 1: second against their wide receivers, and they didn't have good
Speaker 1: vision on Lamar. That's when they got themselves in trouble.
Speaker 1: When they played zone coverage, played with good vision on him,
Speaker 1: kept him contained, so to speak, in the pocket, and
Speaker 1: we're able to rally to him because they had eleven
Speaker 1: eyes on him. Because people were able to play with
Speaker 1: good vision, they were relatively successful. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what wound up happening when they broke down. He doesn't
Speaker 1: give you much margin for error, and he took advantage
Speaker 1: of them whenever they turned their back on him, so
Speaker 1: to speak. And I said that a couple of different
Speaker 1: times last night. Then anytime he's making them pay every
Speaker 1: time they try to make him pay by playing type
Speaker 1: man coverage against him and seeing whether or not he
Speaker 1: could throw the football against him, because he'll just say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe I can't get the ball where
Speaker 1: I need to get it to right now in the
Speaker 1: passing game. But what I can always do so I
Speaker 1: can always take off and run and just gas you
Speaker 1: that way. And he did that last night, and I
Speaker 1: think he does that against a lot of people. He
Speaker 1: does that against the majority people he goes against. Cleveland
Speaker 1: still has some work to do, Dan, There's no question
Speaker 1: about that. They still have some people some work to
Speaker 1: do on the defensive side where they'll need some more
Speaker 1: reinforcements and they'll need to add some guys this offseason.
Speaker 1: And remember ends o Ward wasn't playing last night either,
Speaker 1: So I mean there's there's still some work to be done.
Speaker 1: But that's Lamar. Lamar has you you know, well, have
Speaker 1: you start looking at your roster and going, man, what
Speaker 1: else do I need? Are we not really good enough?
Speaker 1: When he makes you look like that, did you have
Speaker 1: an idea what was going on in the locker room? Okay,
Speaker 1: we weren't saying, you know what. I suspected that, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it was you know, the players. Sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: the Nats are called. Sometimes things just happened to where
Speaker 1: you have to do what you need to do. I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure. I mean, I just knew this when the
Speaker 1: Ravens kept saying that he wasn't that there was nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with him. He wasn't heard, he wasn't injured. Really,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, it could be a wide
Speaker 1: range of things. But I really didn't have any idea,
Speaker 1: you know, quite honestly, when Trace mcsoley went into the
Speaker 1: football game and he was throwing the ball with some
Speaker 1: good effectiveness, I was like, man, this is gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're going to see a coming out party from
Speaker 1: Trace mcsoley right here and then and then next you know,
Speaker 1: he slips and you know, his knee gets caught up
Speaker 1: on him, going what the heck is going on? Then
Speaker 1: you see Lamarham running back out him going this is
Speaker 1: this is just not this is high drama, right. It
Speaker 1: was actually pretty cool how it all happened. I just
Speaker 1: don't trace me. He's okay, I haven't heard exactly what
Speaker 1: you know the extent of his injury, but I mean
Speaker 1: lamarge hold is what he call us. As far as
Speaker 1: what happened in the locker room, they've never left to
Speaker 1: mean the way he won that game for him, you
Speaker 1: know before. I mean he didn't win it, but the
Speaker 1: way he set it up from what a heck of
Speaker 1: a story of Okay have you had? How does that
Speaker 1: work when you played? Yeah, and you have to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom? Yeah, so how does that work? You know?
Speaker 1: There there? I mean, I'm sure you've heard stories man
Speaker 1: about I guess it depends what kind of going in
Speaker 1: the bathroom you're talking about, all right? If I mean,
Speaker 1: if you if you just have to go number one,
Speaker 1: so to speak. I mean some guys Dan, Look, man,
Speaker 1: I played with guys who just go in there. Pammy
Speaker 1: Mark flathis to talk about all the time about the
Speaker 1: guys who would just going their pants, you know right
Speaker 1: there on the sideline. I mean there there was no
Speaker 1: there's no quorter potty or anything like that on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Um tell me gods that would take matters in their
Speaker 1: own hands, and so to speak, when it comes to
Speaker 1: something else for me that never happened. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the weird thing. In all my years of football, Pop
Speaker 1: Warner all the way to pros, I don't think in
Speaker 1: a game that ever happened where And I don't remember
Speaker 1: there being a situation where it became an issue for
Speaker 1: someone else. You know, it was usually something that people
Speaker 1: took care of at halftime or whatever. But I remember
Speaker 1: Rodney Harrison saying happened to me. Rodney Harrison said that
Speaker 1: you just sit on the bench, put a towel underneath you.
Speaker 1: And I have never seen somebody do that. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I've never said I've never seen that, but that would
Speaker 1: that would be wild. I would have known if that
Speaker 1: would have happened, to believe me, man, I would have known.
Speaker 1: But that this never came up. He's Lewis Riddick, ESPN
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football analysts, former Pro Scout director or pro
Speaker 1: personnel and a former NFL defensive back. Do you hold
Speaker 1: any grudges with anybody that you played against? Was there
Speaker 1: somebody that hits you had something like it'll never go away? Uh? No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't, not not while we were playing, No, because
Speaker 1: you know, but now like you. No, No, I mean
Speaker 1: there's nobody really that I would say that. I feel
Speaker 1: as though, you know, I didn't even score with or
Speaker 1: something like that. No, I don't. And the reason why,
Speaker 1: honestly it is because I know that, you know, that's
Speaker 1: just the way football goes, man. I mean, sometimes you
Speaker 1: get them, they get you. And I think the reason
Speaker 1: why I felt I'm good with that is because as
Speaker 1: many times have I got whacked and or hit or
Speaker 1: beat or whatever it is, I know I gave out
Speaker 1: my fair share and I'm good with that, and I
Speaker 1: kind of like it. I kind of liked it like that.
Speaker 1: I never felt like anybody hit me dirty or anybody
Speaker 1: tried to injure me or anything like that. So it
Speaker 1: was I was good with the give and take. Did
Speaker 1: you ever hit somebody and feel sorry? Uh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think I did. You know? We were we
Speaker 1: were when I was a rookie in Atlanta in ninety
Speaker 1: two in the preseason. We were playing against Cleveland, who
Speaker 1: was playing for Jerry Glenville then, and there was a
Speaker 1: wide receiver who caught a slant route. Now the interesting
Speaker 1: thing about that was I was groggy in that game.
Speaker 1: You know, those were these were back in the days
Speaker 1: before you know, there was like a real extensive you know,
Speaker 1: checking on players who you know, maybe had had concussions
Speaker 1: or what have you. And you know, I know I
Speaker 1: was I was not right in that game, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't quite sure. You know, I had a couple of
Speaker 1: big hits on Kevin Mack in the preseason, and you
Speaker 1: remember how big Kevin Mac was, so I mean, every
Speaker 1: time you hit Kevin Mac, He's going to kind of
Speaker 1: knock you. Screws this a little bit. And I hit
Speaker 1: this wide receiver simply because I was standing in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field, didn't even know what the defensive
Speaker 1: call was, and I just know the ball was throwing it.
Speaker 1: I just sprinted towards his wide receiver and just literally,
Speaker 1: I mean just hit him with all I had. And
Speaker 1: one of our defensive backs I think his name was
Speaker 1: Frankie Smith, was hanging on him at the same time,
Speaker 1: and I knocked the wide receiver out. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was out cold, and I believe he wound up having
Speaker 1: you know, he's suffered some kind of injury to his
Speaker 1: necker back. And Frankie Smith, who was hanging on him
Speaker 1: in the corner, who was covering him at the time.
Speaker 1: His fingers got caught between me and the wide receiver
Speaker 1: and it just obliterated his finger. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the time where I felt man, not only God, I
Speaker 1: injure the guy injured one of my own teammates to him,
Speaker 1: I wasn't even quite sure what I was, you know,
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to be doing at the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, some of those big hits like that, you
Speaker 1: feel bad afterwards, but I mean that's just the way
Speaker 1: they're you know, that's the way the game was, and
Speaker 1: that's the way we played it, and that's the way
Speaker 1: I played it. And you didn't want to see guys
Speaker 1: get hurt. But it definitely, you know, in the nineties eighties,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a different type type of game,
Speaker 1: you know, back then, especially when Kim came to collisions
Speaker 1: and high speed collisions in the secondary. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were a regular occurrence. Do you know how that was? Well,
Speaker 1: I tell this audience all the time, if you saw
Speaker 1: a game from the sidelines, yeah, you would never let
Speaker 1: your kid play that game because doubt it is just
Speaker 1: I can close my eyes. I went to a Giant's
Speaker 1: game and I was on the sidelines when lt was
Speaker 1: there in that great defense, I closed my eyes because
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear a game for a couple of plays.
Speaker 1: Holy Smoke show it was. It was scary, Lewis scary.
Speaker 1: The sound, the images, the sound of collisions. And I
Speaker 1: played with when I was in Cleveland, and then when
Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta too, and Atlanta I played with
Speaker 1: Scott Case, Jeff Donaldson, Jesse Tuggle. Scott Case and Jeff
Speaker 1: Donaldson at Safeties were for pound two of the toughest
Speaker 1: guy who guys who ever played in the NFL. I
Speaker 1: saw Scott Case leave his feet and hit people and
Speaker 1: the sound that you would hear it was like a
Speaker 1: like a bomb went off. I played with Eric Turner
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Eric Turner was easily in that category of
Speaker 1: the you know, the late great Don Rodgers, Kenny Easily,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Latt, Dennis Smith, those types of guys who were
Speaker 1: just vicious, vicious hitters, vicious. And when I played for
Speaker 1: the Raiders at the last year of my career, I
Speaker 1: mean those were I mean when I went out there,
Speaker 1: every time I was trying to hit people like like
Speaker 1: George j. Atkinson, hit people like you know, love him
Speaker 1: or not. I mean, I mean, Jack Tatum was probably
Speaker 1: the biggest hitter of all time. And you're right when
Speaker 1: you're doing it. It's not that you don't you don't
Speaker 1: really know how just how vicious it sounds. But when
Speaker 1: you see your teammates do it, and or if you're
Speaker 1: on the sideline you see another defender do it, you
Speaker 1: realize this is not for the timid man, not for
Speaker 1: the timid at all. I'll leave you with this, the
Speaker 1: number of teams that you honestly think can go to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in the AFC and the NFC, and
Speaker 1: start with the AFC, that you truly believe they could play,
Speaker 1: they could represent their conference in the Super Bowl. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know Kansas City can and they probably will. You know,
Speaker 1: Buffalo right now, Buffalo is on a mission and I
Speaker 1: think they are going to be They're going to give
Speaker 1: Kansas City all they want in a rematch type scenario,
Speaker 1: and we know Kansas City ran ran over them pretty
Speaker 1: hard earlier in the season. I think those those two
Speaker 1: of the AFC are probably the ones who you legitimately,
Speaker 1: legitimately say, you know, in all different types of environment scenario,
Speaker 1: those those two teams can travel and they can play
Speaker 1: you know they can play you. However, I think the
Speaker 1: Colts are sneaking because Chris Ballard is starting to give
Speaker 1: him that kind of you know, he's kind of built
Speaker 1: him in that kind of image. Are you sold on
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers? No? And I think, you know, I think
Speaker 1: in the end when you assess them, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sold on Philip Rivers as a as a quality courts.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done great things in his career. I
Speaker 1: just don't know if he hasn't enough guests in the
Speaker 1: tank to deal with a team like Buffalo and Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: like Kansas City and Pat Patrick Mahomes. Those guys are special.
Speaker 1: Those guys can make the difference. Philip can't be the
Speaker 1: difference anymore. Yeah, and I think that's the difference, all right, NFC,
Speaker 1: how many teams legitimately can go to the Super Bowl? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, in a one off type of scenario. I
Speaker 1: mean I think I think you probably have to count
Speaker 1: out the teams in the NFC East only because you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're ready yet. Although you know,
Speaker 1: teams like Washington and even the Giants, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: showing a lot of grit here late in the season.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're if they're ready to
Speaker 1: contend with the Packers, because you know, Aaron is just
Speaker 1: that special on him. Him and Matt mc floor had
Speaker 1: it going on, so that's one of them. You know,
Speaker 1: the Saints are gonna be there despite the egg they
Speaker 1: basically laid against Philadelphia last week. You know they're gonna
Speaker 1: be there because they can do it all offensively and defensively,
Speaker 1: especially when Drew's healthy. Tampa, I'm not so sure, man,
Speaker 1: anymore about Tampa, I just don't know. I mean, Bruce
Speaker 1: says he can that they can do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: they want, quote unquote, as far as their the identity offensively,
Speaker 1: I'm just not so sure. But they gotta win three
Speaker 1: games on the road. Though Lewis they're not gonna have
Speaker 1: home field advantage exactly. But you know, I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the NFL believe home field advantage
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything, and I guess it depends where they
Speaker 1: have to go, especially in this in this pandemic year.
Speaker 1: I guess it depends where they have to go. They
Speaker 1: have to go somewhere cold weather, then maybe that's the equalizer.
Speaker 1: But I don't think home fields the same as it is.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I really don't. But we'll see with
Speaker 1: them Seattle and then Seattle if their defense can continue
Speaker 1: to come on. Yeah, and the Rams too though. The Rams,
Speaker 1: to me, that's right, there's a lot more in the NFC.
Speaker 1: They're silent, that's right, the Ram. The Rams are a
Speaker 1: down and dirty type team. Great defense. Brandon Staley is
Speaker 1: a great young coach, up and coming coach, be a
Speaker 1: head coach very soon. And on the offensive side, when
Speaker 1: Sean is in that rhythm and Jared Golf is in
Speaker 1: that rhythm with him, they will run the ball down
Speaker 1: your throat with those backs that they have, and then
Speaker 1: they'll gass you with that play acts in passing game.
Speaker 1: They are sneak. Actually, they're not sneaky anymore. People know
Speaker 1: that Sean and Bay coach and they know that they
Speaker 1: have a solid football team. So yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: more possibilities in the NFC. It'll be the Steelers at
Speaker 1: the Bengals next Monday night. Lewis, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time absolutely. Dan always love coming on.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's Lewis Riddick, a former defensive back, former
Speaker 1: Scout director of pro personnel. You'll probably get one of
Speaker 1: those jobs here soon. I think that's what he's always
Speaker 1: wanted to do, And we'll probably get a role here
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years. We'll take a break
Speaker 1: your phone calls coming up next year on The Dan
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Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR,
Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. I don't
Speaker 1: care what Todd says. I have to get to these
Speaker 1: phone calls come on. It feels like every day you
Speaker 1: dismiss these callers. They can hold us to another hour
Speaker 1: in ten minutes. It Todd always goes, don't they have
Speaker 1: a job, and I go, that's not that's not a
Speaker 1: fair approach to the call. Now you're making me feel bad.
Speaker 1: I made you feel bad yesterday when I yelled day
Speaker 1: we took a tone rather than I didn't appreciate. But
Speaker 1: you're made a valid point. Is your shirt choking you?
Speaker 1: It's not choking me. But I put on a couple
Speaker 1: of pounds recently, so the second chin. Next situation, plus
Speaker 1: the closing of the top button, it's affecting the airwaves
Speaker 1: a little bit. I can breathe it everything. I'm not
Speaker 1: getting pale, but you know, it looks weird and it
Speaker 1: feels snug. So there's a northeaster headed our way. It
Speaker 1: looks like Wednesday night into Thursday morning, and we're making
Speaker 1: plans in case, you know, we have to stay here
Speaker 1: at the man Cave. And Todd the last time he
Speaker 1: stayed here at the man Cave, that didn't go well
Speaker 1: because you stayed in a room it was very cold
Speaker 1: with a chair and you didn't move even though it
Speaker 1: was really cold. And then right across the way from
Speaker 1: the very cold room that I was long, and even
Speaker 1: though it was a very nice, comfy recliner, was the
Speaker 1: buzzing sound of the technical equipment where all the boxes
Speaker 1: and plugs are so all night you're hearing it. And
Speaker 1: I did have the option to move, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just stuck it out, being very cold with a
Speaker 1: jacket zipped all the way up to my chin. Okay,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do on Wednesday night into
Speaker 1: Thursday morning? And with your permission, I would probably join
Speaker 1: the Danetts and zoom in from the house, God willing
Speaker 1: technically everything. So you're gonna leave me alone. You would
Speaker 1: probably be alone for that one day on Thursday. But
Speaker 1: we've established a rapport we have with the you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, butter on the bread, big frozen and
Speaker 1: how how was your community? And yeah, well the doing
Speaker 1: this weekend has the dog and we you know, we
Speaker 1: figured out a way to get some topics going. Made
Speaker 1: lunch for Todd yesterday, just little things. Just that was nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was thoughtful. But it's like, you know, because I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I'm making lunch, so maybe I should see if you
Speaker 1: wants something. I'm still hoping that we're not gonna get
Speaker 1: this eight to twelve inches that they get a little
Speaker 1: crazy with the fourth Well, the weather forecaster never goes
Speaker 1: it's only gonna be five inches. They always have to go, well,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be twelve because you won't get mad at
Speaker 1: them if it's just a dusting or a couple of inches.
Speaker 1: If it goes the other way and they say it's
Speaker 1: just an inches, two we get eighteen inches, Like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Killing me? All right, let me get
Speaker 1: some phone calls in Gibbs in Virginia. Hi, Gibbs, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today? What's up? DP? How's it going?
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, Fritzie, Yeah, looking for a job, So
Speaker 1: if you got one at the at the man Cave,
Speaker 1: let me know. But not exactly out of his finch
Speaker 1: checking in what's up mclovin. Big up to you Dan
Speaker 1: for calling out Chris and Syracuse man. I've been beaning
Speaker 1: to mention him in my last couple of calls as
Speaker 1: an absolute classic caller. You know, we've had some some
Speaker 1: over the years. Jacob Wisconsin. I believe it was Chris
Speaker 1: in Indiana with what's up? Homes how you live in?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? That? Chris and Ohio? Chris and Ohio,
Speaker 1: excuse me? And Jeff and Detroit now is killing it.
Speaker 1: So he's getting up there in that Chris and Syracuse level.
Speaker 1: But I want to also mention a seven five seven
Speaker 1: guy here from southeastern Virginia and Norfolk, Yante Johnson, going
Speaker 1: down still in a coma, but all indications that he's
Speaker 1: hearing and listening to command, so we wish for his
Speaker 1: speedy recovery. Also want to ask to get Paulie's perspective
Speaker 1: later about Sam Howe's chances being that UNC had such
Speaker 1: a breakout on offense, if that hurts or helps his
Speaker 1: chances next year being that they have the most potent offense.
Speaker 1: But the reason for my call, Dan is Virginia Tech
Speaker 1: is to last underdog if you will, to get into
Speaker 1: the national title. And that goes back to two thousand.
Speaker 1: In Michael Vick's freshman year, Virginia Tech began the year
Speaker 1: at number thirteen, played FSU started the year at number one,
Speaker 1: and for whatever it's worth, Virginia Tech finished with a
Speaker 1: six point one two rating and FSU with a two
Speaker 1: point four rating. But Virginia Tech hoped hopped up above Nebraska, Alabama,
Speaker 1: Tennessee and it took two losses by Tennessee for an
Speaker 1: undefeated Virginia Tech team to pass Tennessee in week eleven
Speaker 1: and go on and finish ahead of a one loss
Speaker 1: Nebraska team. I don't think we'll ever see that again.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and it also helped that we had Michael Vick,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was great TV. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's an inexact science and it's going to stay that way.
Speaker 1: Jeff and Detroit, Hi, Jeff, what up? No? Dan? Thanks
Speaker 1: for all of the positive words out there. Man, for real,
Speaker 1: We're trying to get it together. Hopefully his vaccine gets out,
Speaker 1: get to the man cave and we could throw a
Speaker 1: big old DP show party in twenty twenty one. Listen, brothers,
Speaker 1: I have a me and my friend was talking and
Speaker 1: at this point in the season, who are you most
Speaker 1: impressed with? Indianapolis coach Frank Wright, Coach of the Year candidate,
Speaker 1: no quarterback, comes in, gets Philip Rivers. We don't know
Speaker 1: what he has and they're almost at the top of
Speaker 1: the AFC South. Then you look at the Washington football team,
Speaker 1: Alex Smith, new coach, new regime. It was a lot
Speaker 1: more drama off the field than on the field at
Speaker 1: this point in the season. Which organization are you most impressed? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's Washington. It's not even close, thank you, Jeff. Like
Speaker 1: the Coats had a very good team. The nucleus is there,
Speaker 1: coach GM and you brought in Philip Rivers. We just
Speaker 1: didn't know how much he has left in that arm.
Speaker 1: I still don't know. Washington had the name sexual harassment allegations.
Speaker 1: Ali Smith is your emergency quarterback. Dwayne Hoskin has not
Speaker 1: panned out. Ron Rivera going through cancer treatment. It's not
Speaker 1: even close. Come back, Coach of the Year, Player of
Speaker 1: the Year, Final Hour coming up