1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Happy Monday everyone, and welcome inside with the Insiders alongside 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Mike Garifullo, Judy Mattista and Ian Rappaport. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: I am Tom Pelicero. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 3: Whether you are. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: Catching us on the podcast, on YouTube, on the NFL channel, 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: on fast streaming platforms, wherever you are, we appreciate you 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: being with us. As we do every Monday, we will 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: get into all the results, all the fallout from Sunday's games, 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: and in a week like this, there's really nothing that 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: could possibly be bigger than a starting quarterback who, at 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: times this season we have seen play at a borderline 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: MVP level on a team in the thick of the 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: playoff chase being lost for the season. Ian, I'll start 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: with you. Daniel Jones goes down. It was one of 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: those situations. As much as people were trying to find 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: on the tape and exactly where the injury occurred, his 17 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: reaction alone, pounding his helmet into the turf made abundantly 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: clear how serious this was. Daniel Jones knew it, The 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: team knew it. Everyone in the stadium ever watching it 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: home knew it. Daniel Jones out for the season with 21 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: a torn achilles, which raises all kinds of questions now 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: about where he and the Colts go. 23 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: For me, yeah, it's basically everything bad. I mean, you 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: know there there certainly are some injuries this late in 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: the season where you know, even if you see a 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 4: player who's you know, an important player go down, you 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: could say like, oh, okay, well, you know it's it's 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 4: an unfortunate injury. 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: His offseason is going to be bad. 30 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: But you know, the team's five and whatever, they'll probably 31 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 4: be okay. 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: This is not that. 33 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: This is like one of the best players on one 34 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: of the best teams, who's been one of the best stories. 35 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: He's a great dude, and he is out for the 36 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: season with a torn achilles You're right, I mean it 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: was obvious from when it happened. You could literally see it. 38 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 4: He grabs his achilles and slams his helmet and you know, 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: had an mrid this morning that confirmed. But by then, 40 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 4: I mean everyone had known for hours what the reality is, 41 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: and he knew. I was texted with him this morning. 42 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 4: He was very clear about what happened, what his future holds, 43 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: and all that the Colts now will go forward. 44 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: What's that that's good? 45 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 5: What else you say? 46 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: I mean, some stuff is for public, some stuff is 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 4: for private. But I would say he very much knew 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: the reality of his season being over, that this is 49 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: part of life in the NFL, and there's basically nothing 50 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: he can do about it but try to look forward 51 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: to the future, which I do think he now is 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: a bright future with the Indianapolis Colts. But they go 53 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: forward with Riley Leonard who is a third stringer and 54 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 4: hasn't has looked okay, sunder but hasn't done very much. 55 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 4: And you know, Daniel Jones just speaking specifically, and you 56 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 4: guys can get into, you know, the macro of the Colts, 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 4: but Daniel Jones is someone of the Colts want to 58 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 4: bring back. They would have to do it, probably on 59 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: the franchise tag, and then try to work out a 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 4: long term deal. Achilles tears can be nine to twelve 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: months recovery. If you go nine months from yesterday, that's 62 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 4: like September seventh, so right up against the start of 63 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 4: the season and assuming everything goes perfectly, so you do 64 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: face the possibility of him not being ready for the 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 4: twenty twenty sixth season. 66 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: It's all I. 67 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: Would have to tag him ian Not to get you 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: off the trade of thought here, But realistically, I mean, 69 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: we've seen it quarterbacks coming off. Achille Staars, Aaron Rodgers 70 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the same early on, Kirk Cousins was plainly not 71 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: the same guy. Daniel Jones is younger than either of 72 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: those players, But would the Colts need to franchise tag him, 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: especially if we're talking about whether or not this guy's 74 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: even going to be able to play football next September. 75 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: Great question, And what I will bring up is. 76 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: The Minnesota Vikings, right like the Minnesota Vikings last year 77 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: had a couple of quarterbacks who you know they. 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: Probably probably could have kept. 79 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, Sam Darnold went to the Seahawks, Daniel 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: Jones went to the Indianapolis Colts, and you say like, well, 81 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 4: you know, look, let one go, you probably negotiate with 82 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: the other. You'll probably get one back. They got back neither. 83 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: If they could do it again, I have no doubt 84 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: they would have just franchised Sam Darnold and dealt with 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: the fall up. 86 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: But they would have had a guy. 87 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: And I think when in doubt, if you're an NFL 88 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: team in need of a starting quarterback, if you have 89 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: to get a guy, make sure you get a guy. 90 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 4: And so like Daniel Jones going to make more than 91 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: forty million dollars next year, I would say, based in 92 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: this performance, probably, so make sure above all else you. 93 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: Get a guy and to me, like nothing else matters. 94 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 3: That is what I say. 95 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 6: Judy, Well, first of all, I feel terrible for him. 96 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 6: The timing could hardly be. I mean, I can't imagine 97 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 6: anything worse than suffering an Achilles tair of all injuries, 98 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 6: going into free agency the worst. And there's so many 99 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 6: questions about the Colts too, if I mean, you know, 100 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 6: not to be a Debbie downer here, but it seems 101 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 6: it's hard to imagine them getting into the playoffs now. 102 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 6: They've been sliding anyway, and obviously losing your starting quarterback 103 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 6: is devastating. So if they missed the playoffs, does everybody survive? 104 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 6: Does the front office survive? Don't forget we have Carly Orsa. 105 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 6: Gordon is going into her first full off season as 106 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 6: the owner, so you don't know how she's going to 107 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: approach this, right, you know, I think we had a 108 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 6: pretty good handle on how Jim Orsey approached off seasons, 109 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 6: but you don't know how she's going to approach this. 110 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 6: So those are all questions she's going to have to 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 6: answer and make decisions on does the general manager return, 112 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 6: does the head coach return, how does she want to 113 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 6: handle the Daniel Jones situation. All of that's unknown. We 114 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 6: don't have a track record to look back on. It's 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 6: just it's devastating. I feel so terrible for him. I 116 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 6: feel terrible for the team. But just man, he's he's 117 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 6: a good guy. In his career, has obviously had some 118 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 6: ups and downs, and he had resurrected it. It's really 119 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 6: fun to watch Jim be successful with the culture and 120 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 6: it just, man, it's stunt to watch that. Yesterday, Mike, 121 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 6: let's talk. 122 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 5: About Riley Leonard. 123 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 7: Uh and Tom. You put out your your scouting report 124 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 7: yesterday on him, and it seemed like it was a 125 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 7: you know, a long term project kind of a guy 126 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 7: development So developmental gets thrown into a situation like that 127 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 7: and you go, Okay, well this is not gonna be 128 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 7: Riley Leonard played really well yesterday and didn't catch a break. 129 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 7: There were a couple of penalties that negated I think 130 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 7: one thing in the gate is a touchdown if I'm 131 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 7: recalling correctly. Another one maybe a first down that they 132 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 7: needed a key first down and like a third and 133 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 7: six that he threw when he had picked up and 134 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 7: a penalty brought it back a legal shift or legal 135 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 7: formation or something like that. He had a drop ball 136 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 7: to a key drop ball that I remember, So I 137 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 7: know how it can be when this kind of injury 138 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 7: happens in game, especially to a guy who's so beloved 139 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 7: like Daniel Jones is. You're licking your wounds. You're kind 140 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 7: of down in the moment. 141 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 5: Guy, get out of that. 142 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 7: Got to now step up and realize that your guy 143 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 7: played well and you're going to have to pick him 144 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 7: up because now other teams are going to get a 145 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 7: chance to sort of game plan against them and scout 146 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 7: him up a bit and throw things at him, and 147 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 7: now he's going to have to adjust with and if 148 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 7: he makes plays and he makes throws, you're still it's 149 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 7: not looking great, especially with how good the Texans and 150 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 7: Jaguars are looking right now. But you're still in the 151 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 7: thinking of this. And dude made plays yesterday and you 152 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 7: didn't deliver for him. So got to pick up Riley 153 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 7: Leonard the rest of the way. 154 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: And just Tom and I'm sure you want to get 155 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: into this, but it doesn't seem like Anthony Richardson as 156 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: unless I'm crazy, doesn't seem like he's close or on 157 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: the cusp of returning well. 158 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: And even if he is, he hasn't had reps in months. 159 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is a player who. 160 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean, go down the short list here, and no 161 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: comparisons are perfect, But when I think Trey Lance, Anthony Richardson, 162 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy right now, they all fall into the same category, 163 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: which is guys with a ton of talent who have 164 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: been hurt so much or had so many different things 165 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: happened in their career that they've never actually been able 166 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: to work on the things that they need to work on. 167 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: I saw quotes. 168 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: Today from Riley Leonard talking about how valuable the scout 169 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: team reps were. 170 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: I think it was from Steven Holder. 171 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: About how he's going up against the first team defense 172 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: every day in practice and so all of a sudden, 173 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: you're finding out all these things. 174 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: But what you can and. 175 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Can't do at the NFL level. I mean, I'll pull 176 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: up just a couple of the quotes from anonymous people 177 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: about Riley Leonard pre draft. 178 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: He's the day three developmental guy that you want to get. 179 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: He's very raw. 180 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Coming from a place like Duke and Notre Dame, you'd 181 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: think he'd be more polished. He's like a big athlete 182 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: that is still physically developing, and this is the first 183 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: time he's ever played in an offense where there are 184 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: reads and progressions. There was another quote that said, let 185 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: me find the correct one here. He sees it decent. 186 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: He has physical ability, he can throw it, he can run, 187 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: he's big. He just can't throw a ball in the 188 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: fie notion. So there are things that he needed to 189 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: work out. But when you think about the way that 190 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: they built that offense, one of Anthony Richardson and Daniel 191 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: Jones have in common. They're both big athletes. Richardson's bigger, 192 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: but dno Jones is a big guys, big who you 193 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: were willing to expose as a runner. Maybe there's things 194 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: that Shane Steiken has cooked up, even from the Anthony 195 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Richardson playbook, in terms of designed runs, options, keepers and 196 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: things like that that you weren't running recently, especially with 197 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones playing with a fracture in his other leg, 198 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: that now maybe you can apply more. With Riley Leonard, 199 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: we had a number of other injuries. We got a 200 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: top of other things to get to in this show. 201 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: But you had several quarterbacks come out yesterday. You had 202 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: Gino Smith who had a cut on his hand and 203 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: then a minute or two later he suffered a right 204 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: shoulder injury. 205 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: The Raiders are bad. 206 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: They actually put on a pretty competent performance yesterday against 207 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: the team in the mix for the number one seed 208 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: with Denver. I don't know that it matters much, but 209 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: we'll see what direction they decided to go. Tyrod Taylor 210 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: gets knocked out of that game once again. Tyrod is 211 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: his snake bit and as any quarterback, every time he 212 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: has his opportunity, he gets banged up. And then you 213 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: had what I would only describe Mike as an unqualified 214 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: disaster for the Commanders in Minnesota. You put Jayden Daniels 215 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: out there, like a month after he dislocates his left elbow. 216 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: He gets, in almost cartoonish fashion, up ended and dropped 217 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: directly onto the elbow on a pick six because he 218 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: gets blocked and flies and hits it. I know dan 219 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Quin said he could have gone back in, but this 220 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: is exactly the stuff you're talking about. 221 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: Do you just bubble wrap him now? 222 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: Do you put him back in, and then zach Ertz, 223 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: after Daniels is out in a meaningless game, suffers what 224 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: looks to be not just the torn acl but it 225 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: looks like a major knee injury. That if zach Ertz 226 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: wants to continue a really good career in twenty twenty six, 227 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: he's got a long road ahead. 228 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, for all the good vibes of last year for 229 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 7: the Washington Commanders, they are now back to even par 230 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 7: and they're going to have to take a hard look 231 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 7: at a lot of positions on the roster, maybe even 232 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 7: positions on the coaching staff as well. You saw Dan 233 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 7: Quinn takeover play calling a couple of weeks ago from 234 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 7: Joe Witt. This is going to be a transformative year 235 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 7: for the Commanders. 236 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 5: Which is not what you want, Like you want the 237 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 5: build to be like that. 238 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 7: It's not a it's not always a clean one. There 239 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 7: will be a little bit of but this is like 240 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 7: up and then back down and then like where do 241 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 7: we go from here? Especially for a guy who we 242 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 7: talked about it coming in with slight and was going 243 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 7: to take some pounding in the NFL and did a 244 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 7: good job of getting the football out quickly. Moving away 245 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 7: from from hits last year, and playing on an offense 246 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 7: that was humming last year as well, that helps you 247 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 7: not take hits as well. 248 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 5: This is yeah, and they've they've. 249 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 7: Got RG three, okay, in the middle of the game, 250 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 7: putting out a video saying this guy shouldn't play anymore. 251 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 7: And it's like, Okay, that's a little too on the 252 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 7: nose right now for what the commanders need. 253 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 5: So yeah, it's Uhlan. 254 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: By the way, it's not coming for I was thinking 255 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 2: that was just very clear. That's not a sound effect. 256 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 2: Judy just lives on a busy street. 257 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 5: You all know. 258 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 7: I was going to make that transition, and then I said, Noah, 259 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 7: maybe I should. 260 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 5: Just not joke about injuries anyway. 261 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: I don't funny about it. 262 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: But it's I mean, it just it's felt like that 263 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: type year. You got one of the oldest, if not 264 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: the oldest roster in the NFL, and you've got a 265 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: quarterback who's naturally like one hundred and eighty pound dude. 266 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: For everything that went right last year, it feels like 267 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: everything Mike has just gone wrong. 268 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's going to be They were busy two 269 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 7: years ago when it came to free agency and trades 270 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 7: and everything they were doing. 271 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 5: I think we're going to see that kind of an 272 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 5: off season again. There's going to be a big makeover 273 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 5: in Washington. 274 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 6: You better get much younger. That would be my first thought, 275 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 6: Like time to get ma huch younger on that team. Listen, 276 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 6: everything broke their way last year at these things have 277 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 6: a way of sort of getting back to the middle somehow. 278 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 6: This has been a dramatic recalibration for the Commanders, and 279 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 6: an unfortunate one. I am very curious to see. I mean, 280 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 6: he is apparently on the media schedule for this week, 281 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 6: so that certainly suggests he is going to play this 282 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 6: week if we're reading the tea leaves correctly. I don't 283 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 6: know what the right decision is. He's a young player 284 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 6: who needs to play. But man, I agree, when you 285 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 6: saw him land directly on the you're like, I mean, 286 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 6: I imagine that he's. 287 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: Five ft off horizontal and comes down on his elbow. 288 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody saw the Looney Tunes highlight reel of 289 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: the hits he took in college, like that that felt 290 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: like it. 291 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just again worst case scenario. 292 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: I don't I don't buy necessarily in like the comparisons 293 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 1: like you, Mike brought up RG three where it was 294 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, you go back in time and should RG 295 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: three have been playing? 296 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: He wanted to play. 297 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: He always remember that with guys when they're on the field. Here, 298 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: this just felt like one of the odds that exact 299 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: thing is going to happen. I mean, it's as likely 300 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: as Aaron Rodgers falling on his left wrist. You hope 301 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, but if it does, the outcomes gonna 302 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: be bad. 303 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I would say also at some. 304 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: Point, and it's not a Jayden Daniel's problem, but it 305 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: does seem to be a young quarterback problem in general. 306 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: Like what is he doing he throws an interception? You 307 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: know you're injured. You got to get out of the way. 308 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: Like what's he gonna do? 309 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 4: Track him down and dive like you know what I mean, 310 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 4: Like at some point some of these guys got to 311 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 4: protect them and so maybe this will do it. 312 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: But I would make two points one. 313 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 4: He was fully cleared. He's not at risk of re injuring. 314 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 4: He actually the worst thing happened and he didn't seem 315 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 4: to reinjure it. That is a good sign players play. 316 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 4: He needs to get better the team needs to get better. 317 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 4: For all the talk of defensive coordinator, which it sounds 318 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: like they'll have a new one next year. Probably their 319 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 4: offense isn't bad also, so like I don't know if 320 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: they're going to take a look at Cliff Kingsbury, but 321 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 4: like the offense is bad, and a lot of the players, 322 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 4: the older players you brought into kind of be the 323 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 4: final pieces look unfortunately like a lot of older players, 324 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: or they're injured, like Austin Eckler, And you know, it was. 325 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 3: A lot that they did this past year. Everything seems 326 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: to have gone wrong. 327 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: They also, you know, and I don't know, this needs 328 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: to be like a full deep dive into the Commanders 329 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 4: brought in a lot of guys who other locker rooms 330 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 4: were kind of like, eh, we're good without like debo, 331 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: like Lara mc tunsel, you know, a couple other examples. 332 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's just I don't know that they thought 333 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 4: about all the different parts when you put together a team. 334 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 4: And so I would say reimagining where they're going as 335 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 4: a team will be important for twenty twenty six, because 336 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is pretty much over. 337 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: More from the insiders. 338 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: After this, we ended up talking a lot more about 339 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: the Commanders than I was planning on off the top 340 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: of the show. But I was thinking about this last night, 341 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: and when you look at the standings now we've got 342 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: essentially three weeks to go, and think about the teams 343 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: that are currently not in the playoff pictures start on 344 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: the NFC side. The Commanders have the second worst record 345 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: in the entire conference. 346 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: They are in the mix. 347 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about a liber They're literally in the 348 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: mix to get the number one pick a year after 349 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: they were in the NFC Championship game. You have the 350 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: Vikings won fourteen games last year. They are five and 351 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: eight and need the miracle of all mirrors for things 352 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: to fall in place, even after they shut out the 353 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: Commanders yesterday. The Lions, who have been a sexy team 354 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: for a couple of years and have been in the playoffs, 355 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: would be out if the playoffs began today. Then you 356 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: get to the AFC side of things. 357 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: The Bengals. 358 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different explanations for it, but I 359 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: don't think anybody coming into the season would have had 360 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: them at four to nine, especially after the way that 361 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: they finished. You've got the Ravens would be out today. 362 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: The Colts, who now don't have their quarterback, would be 363 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: out if the playoffs began today. And then, Judy, you 364 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: have the case of the Kansas City Chiefs, who right 365 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: now are six and seven. Don't say it, Ian, they 366 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: are six and seven. Their team that had won I believe, 367 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: eight consecutive AFC West titles. 368 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: They've been to the conference championship. 369 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: Game almost every every year with Patrick Malmes, and had 370 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: been to the playoffs, been to the Super Bowl five 371 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: times and won three of them. This is as close 372 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: to a dynasty as you get in the NFL. And 373 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: last night watching them against the Texans, Judy, it is 374 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: as if the wheels. 375 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: Have come off the whole thing. 376 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: How many times have we talked about the Chiefs and 377 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: the biggest moments they just make the place. They didn't 378 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: make any of them in that game. And that's precisely 379 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: why now they're in this wild position of they would 380 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: need to not just win out, but get help just 381 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: to sneak into the field. And right now, as much 382 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: as we always say keep the Chiefs out, you don't 383 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: want to face them, I don't know that anybody fears 384 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: the team that we saw last night. 385 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 6: You no, last night I thought was a microcosm of 386 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 6: everything that has happened this season, including like Harrison Buker 387 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 6: who never used to miss and now this season has 388 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 6: been missing and he missed right, They were dropping passes. 389 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 6: That's something we've seen the last two seasons. That was 390 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 6: happening last year too, But all season, from the very beginning, 391 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 6: we kept saying, well, when the offense gets whole, you know, 392 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 6: when people come back from injury, when they come back 393 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 6: from suspension in some cases, like when they get hole, 394 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 6: it'll be fine. And it was never fine. And then 395 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 6: you know, the play, the decision to go for it 396 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 6: on fourth down in the tie game, deep in their 397 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 6: own territory as just a disaster. And Andy said it 398 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 6: almost immediately that that was a mistake. I should have 399 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 6: done it, like everything went wrong, and you're right. You 400 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 6: still think like, all right, they got Patrick Mahomes right, 401 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 6: like he's going to cover up everything, Like he can't 402 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 6: cover up everything, he can't come over. Actually, when you 403 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 6: really knew things were about to go completely off the 404 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 6: rails was one step into the game, when an offensive 405 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 6: line that is already decimated by injuries. Then that was 406 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 6: just so like you've got to be kidding. I believe 407 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 6: Mike Tarico actually said that out loud, Are you kidding? 408 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 6: Like it was he had just gotten done summarizing the 409 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 6: injuries to the offensive line, and then there's another, a 410 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 6: terrible injury in front of us. It was, I mean, 411 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 6: that is that is the fall this year that I 412 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 6: certainly did not see coming. And I certainly, even if 413 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 6: you thought maybe they were starting to decline, I never 414 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 6: thought it would be this dramatic. And they'd missed the playoffs, 415 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 6: but wow, last night was a dumpster fire. 416 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 417 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 3: So I think a couple of things. 418 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 4: One like the offensive line was so beat up, but 419 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 4: like actually played okay, they really did. 420 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: Like the guy who stepped in was good. You didn't 421 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: see him the whole time. 422 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 4: Right, there were so yeah, I mean, and they dicterally 423 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 4: did a nice the broadcast obviously very good, but they 424 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: did a nice thing on the broadcast of. 425 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: Being like, all right, here's who this guy is. He 426 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 3: was an undrafted free agent. He went to like this school. 427 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 5: You know. 428 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: It was funny because I was like, you know, we 429 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 4: cover a lot of players, and I was like, I'm 430 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: not quite familiar with his work. 431 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: Never a good sign when to read the Wikipedia page 432 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: on the broadcast to just be like, right, so this 433 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: guy played at this college. That's usually a sign that 434 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: was not someone you were you were counting on, right. 435 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 5: It was I. 436 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 3: I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that greatly. 437 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: One thing about the Chiefs is all of their best 438 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 4: players struggled. Mahomes had like eight, like eight passes in 439 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: a row incomplete, Rashi Rice. 440 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: Had at least two drops that were key. 441 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 4: Kelsey had a bad drop although honestly it should have 442 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 4: had it but like a tough pass kind of behind 443 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 4: him with the defender on Imke. 444 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: But the failings weren't offensive line. It was literally all 445 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: of their best players dropping passes. 446 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: And the other thing I would say is, yes, like 447 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 4: the Chiefs are probably gonna miss the playoffs and just 448 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 4: had a bad season and practice, especially with all your 449 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 4: best players, matters. 450 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: But the Texans are so overwhelmingly. 451 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 4: Oppressive and physical, and like I just I don't know 452 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: how absolutely good they like can they win the Super Bowl? 453 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 4: Like I have no idea, But that is the best 454 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 4: defense I've seen in a number of years. Like, they 455 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 4: are awesome and we'll see how far they can go. 456 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 5: Mike, I think this year's Super Bowl winner. 457 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 7: I don't know who it's gonna be, but it's gonna 458 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 7: be somebody where you look back and you go, Okay, 459 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 7: that defense wins champions types thing. I guess it started 460 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 7: a little bit with the Eagles last year, but that 461 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 7: was an offensive jugger, not that team for the entire season. 462 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 7: I think you're gonna have a super It could be 463 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 7: the Broncos, could be the Texans. 464 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 5: Yeah, he Go's got a really good defense. If they 465 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 5: somehow get there, it will be because of the defense. 466 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 5: I just I think this is the year that. 467 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 7: And I haven't seen anything about scoring or or whatnot, 468 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 7: because I'm guessing scoring is down. 469 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 5: I haven't looked at the numbers. Judy. Maybe you're on 470 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 5: top of that, haven't. 471 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 6: Since we haven't heard of scoring is up, I'm assuming 472 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 6: that means it's down. 473 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 5: And yes, just like you never hear when the ratings 474 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 5: are down, right, it's alwayshen the ratings are great, that 475 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 5: we hear about it. 476 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: We just came out fifteen. 477 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 7: Go Insiders podcast has to be up to by the way, 478 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 7: I'm sure gotta be everything, everything sky high, more people 479 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 7: in the world, more eyeballs, got to be it. 480 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 5: People like football, people like that could you not like 481 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 5: us wasting their time. 482 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 4: No, if you're listening to this podcast, you're obviously not 483 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 4: doing anything else. 484 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 3: It's not like you're like, I gotta get this is 485 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 3: an hour podcast. You're in it for the long Well, 486 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 3: you can deal with a little bit of rape. 487 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 5: We're talking to you, guy or gal. But no, I 488 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 5: looked at it. So the Texans have I look this day, Uh, 489 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 5: the Cardinals and the Raiders at home. The next two weeks, 490 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 5: the Jaguars have the Jets and somebody. It's a tough game. 491 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 5: Maybe Seattle. They play Seattle, yet I think they played Seattleyway. 492 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 5: It's a tough game. 493 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 7: So I'm looking at the Texans being in first place 494 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 7: in the AFC South for a team that started what 495 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 7: zero to three, they really have. Demico Right's done a 496 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 7: great job of getting that team to buy in to 497 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 7: believe they're playing great defense and they're built Like the 498 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 7: way they're built on defense makes sense too. 499 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 5: They got a lot of veterans up front. 500 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 7: They lost one in Tim Settle who was playing well, 501 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 7: but they've got a lot of guys both up to them. 502 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 7: Like Mahomes likes to escape in the front of the pocket, 503 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 7: couldn't do that on a number of occasions. 504 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: Last night they did a great job of just collapsing in. 505 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: They're really really. 506 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 3: Why Josh Allen struggled against them. 507 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: I was just thinking that because like the Bengals, it 508 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 4: was like every it was like basically between the garden 509 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 4: tackle that was all of his runs and like. 510 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 7: A can not do it. 511 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: The mark of the best teams, certainly, but also coaches 512 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: is always in my mind, it's are you getting better 513 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: down the stretch? You know, September is great, winning game 514 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: September is fine, but it's are you peaking at the 515 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: right time. The Texans are doing that. We've seen it 516 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: before with Demico Ryans, and the Packers are doing that 517 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: as well. We came into the season with sky high 518 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: expectations because they went so far out of character Mike 519 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: and made the Micah Parsons trade and gave up the 520 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: draft capital that they did, it's looked as the missing piece. 521 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: They went through a two game losing streak, not three 522 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: or four, a two game losing streak, and there was 523 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: a week where the conversation and the questions to Matt 524 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: Leafleur were about coaching for his job, and you know, 525 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: is he in trouble and his contrasts up in a year, 526 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: they're four and oh since, which I would say, tongue 527 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: in cheek like I say, I guess he should have 528 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: been coaching for his job sooner. They were gunn by 529 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: injuries at that time. Then you watch them, Mike in 530 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: the game yesterday against the Bears, all of a sudden, 531 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: Christian Watson's back, it looks phenomenal. 532 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 2: Jayden Reid's back out there. Guess what when you. 533 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: Cover all the five guys you know their names, Bow 534 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: Melton gets open on a post. 535 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: You know there's no other Tucker Craft in that group. 536 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 6: But what do you know? 537 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: The offense is getting better, the defense is really good. 538 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: I know you can make argument for some of these 539 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: other teams, but I don't want to face the Packers 540 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: in January, Mike. 541 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 5: I don't, and I especially don't want to have to 542 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 5: go there. 543 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 7: I mean, you saw the conditions yesterday, you saw how 544 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 7: cold it was, and look, maybe we're maybe we're talking 545 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 7: a different tune to day if Keishawn Nixon didn't adjust 546 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 7: and the understanding is that it was not his guy 547 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 7: on that game winning touchdown, and that his guy was 548 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 7: DJ Moore. 549 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 5: I know people said it's the same look. 550 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 7: That the Bears ran against the Eagles for a touchdown 551 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 7: late in that game. 552 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: It was a similar look. 553 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 7: It was not Dj Moore this time curled back into 554 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 7: the backfield. I don't know it was a blown assignment 555 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 7: by him or whatever, but he kind of sort of 556 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 7: doubled back. 557 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 5: And if he had come across and maybe kept. 558 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 7: Nixon honest, he wouldn't have peeled off to cover Comet, 559 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 7: who was supposed to be covered by I forget who, 560 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 7: but that person went to the flat to cover DeAndre Swift, 561 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 7: so he may have been wide open. We may be 562 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 7: talking about this a completely different conversation right here. Point being, 563 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 7: I give the Bears credit for hanging in there. They 564 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 7: could have rolled over and played dead when it was 565 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 7: fourteen three. 566 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 5: They hung in there. 567 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 7: I cannot wait for what this rivalry still has to come. 568 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 7: I don't read too much into the handshake. I mean, 569 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 7: I hope a lot of people thought, but it was, 570 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 7: you know whatever, It's not the worst I've ever seen. 571 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 7: Jim Harbo and Jim Schwartz is the worst I've ever seen. 572 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: Its best. 573 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 6: To me, I was impressed by the Bears. I mean, 574 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 6: not taking any Packers looked great. I was impressed by 575 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 6: that the Bears hung in there and that they were 576 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 6: I mean, in it at the very end and could 577 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 6: have won the game despite you know, the tailor pad moments. 578 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 6: He certainly had moments when he would be rolling to 579 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 6: his right and throwing Darty. Those look run that play 580 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 6: all the time. That looked awesome. So I actually came 581 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 6: away thinking like, Oh, the Bears are going to be something, 582 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 6: and they're clearly a team on the rise, and this 583 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 6: is just the first year they're going to I assume 584 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 6: they are not going to collapse. I assume they will 585 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 6: be in the playoffs. I liked what I saw from 586 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 6: the Bears. I read a lot into handshakes. I love 587 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 6: handshake analysis. It was so cursory. 588 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 5: It was like a. 589 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 6: Belichick Mangenie handshake where they barely look at each other, 590 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 6: they barely make contact. Was great. I cannot wait for 591 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 6: the remation, however many weeks. 592 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 4: It is so our buddy Albert Breer did a little 593 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 4: bit of a breakdown kind of on the Packers Bears game, 594 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 4: and in there he quotes what Ben Johnson says to 595 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 4: Matt Lafleur leaving like the handshakes. 596 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: So the angle we saw on TV was Lafleur basically. 597 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 4: Saying like all right, like a good game, or like 598 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 4: all right, and then apparently Ben Johnson says see you 599 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: in two weeks, which. 600 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, well that's that's the schedule. 601 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: No, but but also like all right, like I'll see 602 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 3: it in No. I'm just saying like I don't know. 603 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: I uh. 604 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 4: My takeaway from this one is I think the Packers 605 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 4: are really good, which is not much of a takeaway. 606 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 4: And Jordan Love I think should probably get some MVP conversation. 607 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 4: He is playing at an exceptionally high level in one 608 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: of the NFL's best teams. I don't know why he 609 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 4: doesn't get as much love. But my main takeaway from 610 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 4: this is the Packers added to their defense in the 611 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 4: offseason and that all seems like money well spent. They 612 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 4: are awesome, and the fact that they made the biggest. 613 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 8: Play with the game on the line for a player 614 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 8: who needed to be coached very well to become very 615 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 8: good at his position in Keishawn Nixon, I thought it 616 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 8: was all perfect and they are going to be a 617 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 8: force going down the stretched out all right. 618 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: If you're watching on the NFL channel on YouTube. 619 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: Stay right here. More of the show coming up. If 620 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: you're on the podcast, Hey, there's a part two of 621 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: the podcast. We'll get into the Rams and Seahawks, both 622 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: with blowout type of wins yesterday. We'll talk Josh Allen, 623 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: we'll talk about Shudor Sanders. Also Judy's winners and losers 624 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: from the weekend. So for Mike, Ian and Judy, we'll 625 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: see you over there.