1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a twenty year old girl 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: goes missing and a popular college town Bloomington, Indiana. Where 3 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: is Lauren Spearer? I mean you see Grace. This is 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Fox Nation in serious XM one eleven. Take a listen 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: to our cut two. This is our friend Pat Lilama, 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: Crimewatch Daily, June third, Just after midnight, Lauren leaves her 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: small Wood Plaza apartment and heads to fellow student Jason 9 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: Rosenbaum's party at five North Town Homes. It's the beginning 10 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: of a night of heavy drinking. At one forty six am, 11 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Lauren and another friend, Cory Rossman, leave the party and 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: walk down the street to Kilroy Sports Bar. Witnesses Lauren 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: is already drunk and barely able to stand. Cops later 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: find her shoes and cell phone at the bar. At 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: two twenty seven am, Lauren and Corey head back to 16 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: her apartment. They never get to her room. Once inside 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: the complex, investigators say Corey argues with another student and 18 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: gets punched in the face. At two forty eight, Corey 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: and Lauren head back to Corey's place through this dark alley. 20 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: Witnesses say, Lauren is so out of it now she 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: falls and hits her head. Bloomington police find Lauren's ID 22 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: and keys in the alley. Keys id in the alley, 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: but no Lauren. Take a listen to our cut three out. 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Around three am, the two get back to Corey's apartment. 25 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Corey says he passes out, then claims he suffered amnesia 26 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 1: from getting punched in the face earlier and now tells 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: police he remembers nothing about that night. Corey's roommate tells 28 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: police he calls Jason Rosenbaum, the guy Lauren was parting 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: with earlier, to come get his friend. Corey's roommate claims 30 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: that's the last time he ever saw Lauren. At four 31 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: or fourteen, This grainy surveillance video captures a white pickup 32 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: cruising nearby. Four fifteen am, Jason walks Lauren back to 33 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: his apartment. He tells police she wanted to go home, 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: so he watched her walk to this intersection from his balcony. 35 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: Jason claims a shadowy figure approached Lauren when she turned 36 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: toward her apartment. Lauren never made it home. What happened 37 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: to Lauren, just twenty years old? For Scarzille, New York. 38 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: She graduated at Edgemont High School and enrolled at Indiana University. 39 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: She moved to Bloomington to study fashion and fashion merchandise. 40 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Still no clues as the months and years pass with 41 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: me at All Star panel tried to make sense of 42 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: what we know about the disappearance of Laurence Spier. Wendy 43 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: Patrick joining US California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on 44 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Amazon and host of Today with Doctor Wendy on CASEBQ 45 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: San Diego. Doctor Angela Arnold, aronownced Psychiatrists, joining us from 46 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Angela Arnold 47 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: MD dot com. Michael Siavolo the Spier family, private investigator 48 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: with Bo Didal and associates, former commander in YPD. But 49 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: first to Nicole parton Crime Online dot Com investigative reporters 50 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: joining us. Nicole, what happened? It sounds like everybody was 51 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: partying around a game, a college game, right, So this 52 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: is one of the common things I think that her 53 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: and her group of friends would do. But this particular time, 54 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: they were celebrating the NBA playoffs, so they started this 55 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: pregame celebration at one friend's home. They left that friend, 56 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: they went down to kill Ray Sports Bar. She left 57 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: with one of her friends, Corey. They walked back to 58 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: his apartment. They went to another friend's apartment. It was 59 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: a night long party from one place to the other, 60 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: back and forth. And there are moments that we capture surveillance. 61 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: There are moments we have witnesses, and then there are 62 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: moments when we don't know what happened. Joining me is 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: a very special guest, Michael Sarah, the Spear Family, private 64 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: investigator with Bode lenn Associates. Michael, thank you for being 65 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: joined us. Thank you for being with us. Michael, what 66 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: is your understanding about what happened that night? Well, I've 67 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: always maintained during the course of this investigation that one 68 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: of three things may have Befallen Laurence in the yearly 69 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: morning hours of third number one being she never left 70 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: the house of Jay Rosenbaum. Uh, she had a heart condition, 71 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: she had some alcohol that evening, and perhaps she just 72 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: passed the natural causes, and the boys up there, not 73 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: wanting to mess up their their careers after college, they 74 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: all come from affluent families, may have disposed of her 75 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: body in some way. Shape of form. The second scenario, 76 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: which is very much still in play, is that her 77 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend Jesse Wolfe, who was known to be very jealous 78 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: and protective of Lauren, may have gotten wind that she 79 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: was out with Corey Rusman and UH and fratnizing with 80 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: these other boys out of his circle of friends, and 81 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: may have later you know, may have been lying in 82 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: wait for her once she left that apartment, and things 83 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: might have gotten out of hand if there was a confrontation, 84 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: and UH, maybe her boyfriend Jesse Wolfe did something to 85 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: her and disposed of the body. And the third UH scenario, 86 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: which is as I say, very much in play, is 87 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: that an opportunist on the street, a stranger, a random opportunist, 88 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: may have seen a ninety five pound barefoot girl walking 89 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: down the street UH intoxicated and take an advantage of 90 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: her and put her in his car and made made 91 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: off with her. So those are the three scenarios that 92 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: any one of them are possible. There's no one that 93 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: is stronger than the other. And at this point in time, 94 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: ten years into the investigation. One of the reason I 95 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: do these types of shows is in hopes someone who 96 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: knows something will come forward and say something, give us 97 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: a substantive tip so we can bring some closure to 98 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: the spear of family and bring Lauren home. Takeul us 99 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: to our cut four. This is what's happening after the 100 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: immediate disappearance of Lauren Spearer. This is our front Angeline 101 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Hartmann on AMW right now. A massive search is underway 102 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: in Bloomington, Indiana for Lauren Speer, a twenty year old 103 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: sophomore at Indiana University. Lauren disappeared on Friday, June third. 104 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: Police say Lauren left a Bloomington sports bar around two 105 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: thirty am with a mail acquaintance. She briefly stopped buying 106 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: her apartment building before going out once more around four 107 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: thirty am. Lauren supposedly told friends she was calling it 108 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: a knife and was headed home. But no one has 109 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: seen her since. No one has seen her since. Let's 110 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: walk through her steps that night to you, Nicole parton, 111 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: what can you tell us? So they started out partying 112 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: with friends, a group of about ten of these college 113 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: students early in the evening, midnight something like that. They 114 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: finished kind of partying there, she goes back to her 115 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: apartment for a moment. She leaves her apartment. She goes 116 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: to the apartment of a friend, Corey Rossman. Her and 117 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: Corey Rossman make their way down to kill Ray's Sports Bar, 118 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: where they again meet up with friends. They're's drinking their 119 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: partying there. That's where we believe that Lauren loses her 120 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: cell phone and her shoes. Kill ray Sports Bar has 121 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: an outside Wait right there, right there, Wendy Patrick, if 122 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: you're hearing what Nicole Partner is saying, she Lee loses 123 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: her cell phone and her shoes, How do you lose 124 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: your cell phone and your shoes? Yeah, that's a huge 125 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: red flag. That's most people probably wouldn't lose those items. 126 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: Those are pretty important. So right away you start to 127 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: sort of take the story apart and figure out, wait 128 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: a minute, who was there? Who possibly could have seen that? 129 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: And you begin to form a timeline when you start 130 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: hearing stacts like that very very important. What about it 131 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Angel Arnold? What does that tell you? Well, 132 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy, it tells me that from what you 133 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: said at the very beginning, they were out for a 134 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: night of partying, and it tells me it sounds like 135 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: she was a little bit too drunk for her own good. 136 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Stop right there. So you're blaming her. No, no, no, 137 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, well it sounds like when you say 138 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: she was a little too drunk for her own good, Well, 139 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy somehow her fault, you know, Nancy, I'm 140 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: not blaming her, but I'm but I'm saying, if you 141 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: are very intoxicated, you lose the ability to make good 142 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: decisions for yourself, and you also can lose your things. 143 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: And it sounds like that's what happened to her. But 144 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I mean, poor thing. I've got kids 145 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: this age, Nancy, and you know, you talk to them 146 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: and you teach them and you ask them not to 147 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: drink too much and things like that. But but sometimes 148 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: kids go out and they have a really good time. 149 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: And every last one of us has done that in 150 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: our lives, I believe. And it's very speak for yourself, Nancy. 151 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What transpired that night? We 152 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: know the family immediately goes to the location. Take a 153 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Jackie Howard at crime online dot com. 154 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: This is cut five. Lauren Spierer's family traveled from New 155 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: York to Indiana as Bloomington police launched an all out 156 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: search effort along with hundreds of volunteers. Lauren's father. This area, 157 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of open space and wooded areas. We're 158 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: asking that you checked your own properties to look through 159 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: the fields, look through the woods, look in the barns 160 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: to see if you can find anything. After a week, 161 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: there is still no sign of Lauren, her mother, Charlene. 162 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: Somebody knows where Lauren is. Somebody knows. Lauren is four 163 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: feet eleven inches tall with long, blonde hair and blue eyes. 164 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: The police went out. However, if she was kidnapped, her 165 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: appearance may have been altered. Were there any signs straight 166 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: out to you? Private investigator for the Spear family, Michael Cirevola, 167 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: were there any signs or any evidence that pointed to 168 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: a kidnap. No, When you say kidnap, that would bring 169 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: in scenario number three. An opportunist on the street. I 170 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: spend many many weeks in Bloomington, and late at night, 171 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: in the early morning hours, there are some some homeless 172 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: types that roam the street at night, and you know, 173 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: coming across a petite, little attractive, barefoot girl, she could 174 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: could have been easy prey for someone you know who's 175 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: a rapist or something along those lines to snapper up 176 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: off the street. I mean, it is in the realm 177 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: of possibility. And that's why the three scenarios that I 178 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: pointed out earlier remain at play. Here we are ten 179 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: years later, and they remain in play. Check us to 180 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: our cut six. This is Catherine Schaffey WCBS. Twenty year 181 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: old Lawrence Spear vanished two weeks ago. Today, while Bloomington 182 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: police have received more than five hundred tips on the 183 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: white truck that was circling where she was last seeing 184 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,479 Speaker 1: her dad, Robert Spear is still begging anyone with information 185 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: to come forward, get the courage and tell us anything 186 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: that you know. As he gets choked up, his wife 187 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: explains that's all he wants for Father's Day, and then 188 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: Spear continues, let your parents know that how much you 189 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: love them, And the parents out there on Sunday, make 190 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: sure that you let your children no how much you 191 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: love them. Five hundred tips on a truck circling the 192 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: area where Lauren was last saying, a truck circling I mean, 193 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. That brings up all sorts of horrible connotations. 194 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: Oh it sure does. That's our worst nightmare. You know 195 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: when I was growing up, it was the white van 196 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: with no windows. Now it's almost anybody that's casing a scene. 197 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: And you know, neighborhood watch is only as good as 198 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: people that are watching. And so when you do see 199 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: this type of activity in a certain area, it definitely 200 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: means something. The clue no to figure out whether or 201 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: not it's connected to the disappearance particular. Listen now to 202 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: our friends at WCBS eighty radio are cut seven. Listen. 203 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: Police are expanding who they're speaking to. Friends and associates 204 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: of Lauren's Spear are now being questioned. While they don't 205 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: have a suspect, cup say, they do have a number 206 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: of persons of interest. Police are now also exploring the 207 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: possibility that Spear overdosed on cocaine, a tip that Bloomington 208 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: Police Captain Joe Qualters says they have received. We've also 209 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: heard a lot of other types of information. We are 210 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: not going to focus on one aspect of information that 211 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: we get in until that information can be corroborated. I Meanwhile, 212 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: Spears's father, Robert Spears, says they're not giving up on 213 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: their search and we are very much focused on finding Lauren, 214 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: and he's urging anyone with information to come forward. I 215 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: don't know how the suggestion that she oded on cocaine 216 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: when there was not any evidence that she had used 217 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: it before, wormed its way into the investigation. Is that 218 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: to denigrate her, to somehow drag her through the mud. 219 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: And also, who would have known she oeded on cocaine? 220 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: And if she did od on cocaine, why didn't you 221 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: want to just call nine one one? That doesn't make 222 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: sense to me, Wendy Patrick, that somebody ods passes out 223 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: and you stand by and let them die, you don't 224 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: call nine one one, And then what disposed of the body. 225 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: That's just like the argument that George Anthony stood by 226 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: and saw Kelly drowning in the pool, then instead of 227 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: calling nine one one when he finds her body or 228 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: trying to resustate her, he puts her in a trash 229 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: bag and throws her in the woods. No, if that 230 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: did not happen, in Corey would say, that's not a 231 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: reasonable interpretation of the evidence. It's not the way somebody 232 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: would act if those facts happened. If somebody would definitely 233 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: call nine one one, you would find the evidence you 234 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: needed to be able to explain what happened, and that 235 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: would exonerate you. It's it's beyond the pill to suggest 236 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: unreasonable actions in response to what most people would see 237 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: as an emergency that paramedics would probably be able to 238 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: help you through. So no, that's probably not going to 239 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: fly at the reason. Who are those people that are 240 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: calling in claiming she oded? How did they know that? 241 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: Were they there? Are they the ones that hit her body? 242 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: And it also doesn't fit to me with the facts, 243 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: because we know that around two forty eight am, everybody's 244 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: out celebrating the NBA Playoffs. They're all going from bar 245 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: to bar a group of people. Spear entered an alley 246 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: that runs between College Avenue and Morton Street. Security cameras 247 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: mounted there actually show her at two fifty one am 248 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: walking toward an empt lot. We don't know where she 249 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: was going now. Her keys and her purse were found 250 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: along this route through the alley. Spear and Rossman arrived 251 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: at the apartment shortly after. A roommate at the apartment 252 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: says she had been drinking. She stumbled, so we know 253 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: she was there. He claims she left to go to 254 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: her own apartment. What happens after that? Nicole parton so 255 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: she goes back to the apartment of Corey Rossman. Corey 256 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: begins to mom it he's passing out his roommate. Mike 257 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: Beth helps Corey upstairs to his bedroom, comes back downstairs, 258 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: realizes that Lauren is really in bad shape. She's had 259 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: way too much to drink. His story is that he 260 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: tries to get her to spend the night there, knowing 261 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: that she's in no shape whatsoever to try to get home, 262 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: but she's insisting that she go home. She's wanting to 263 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: find her cell phone. She's very adamant about leaving, so 264 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: Mike Beth claims that he walks her next door to 265 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: the apartment of Jay Rosenbaum because Jay was a very 266 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: close friend of Laurence. Well, I mean, who's the boyfriend. Um, 267 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: he's not even here. He's not in the picture at 268 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 1: this point, but he's not there parting with her. I 269 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: don't have na right, Okay, go ahead. So he's not 270 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: with her at this point. He's knocketing the partying mix. 271 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: So Jay Rosenbaum tries to convince her to stay there 272 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: next door with him at his apartment because she is 273 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: in no condition to walk home again. She insists his 274 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: story is that you know, he wasn't going to hold 275 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: her against her will, and so she leaves and she's 276 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: going to walk to two and a half blocks home. 277 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: There's a claim that they that they saw her walk 278 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: to the end of the block. They could see her 279 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: from their balcony, that she made it to the block 280 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: to turn the corner, and then at that point they 281 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: don't see her. There's also a surveillance image of her 282 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: around four thirty am, right there at the corner, making 283 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: her two and a half block home. Time stories with 284 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. So Michael Siavolo, these pure family, private investigator. 285 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: We have images of her five at four thirty at 286 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: the intersection the cross street, where Jay Rosenbaum says he 287 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: sees her walked too. I don't believe that to be factual. 288 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: I've never seen any images of Lauren after she leaves 289 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Jay Rosenbaum's house. The building across the street, which was 290 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: under construction at that time, directly across the street was 291 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: not yet completed. There were no surveillance cameras mounted outside. 292 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: Now today on this date, if you walk onto eleven Street, 293 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: you'll be on the surveillance cameras. There's got to be 294 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: more than a dozen of them, but on June third 295 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: of twenty eleven, there was not any surveillance cameras on 296 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: the crime College at eleventh. The only thing that we 297 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: have is Jay Rosenbaum claiming that he stood out on 298 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: his second floor balcony, which is a very narrow balcony, 299 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: and yelled to her, Lauren, let me text me when 300 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: you find your phone. And then he said he thinks, 301 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: because it is a distance away, he sees a second 302 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: person into sect come close to Lauren once she gets 303 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: to the corner. As far as Vidiant video surveillance footage 304 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: of that occurrence, to my knowledge, it does not exist. So, 305 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: Michael Sivello, the Surmillans video was earlier when she was 306 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: in the alley where we think she lost herself phone, 307 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: and she's not up on the corner when she left 308 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: the apartment, right, That is okay, all right, So we 309 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: have one Survilles video, but not what she had left 310 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: the apartment. Take a listen to our friend Patty and 311 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: Brown at Fox News. The friend of a missing Indiana 312 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: college student tells police he has memory loss from the 313 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: night she disappeared. La Spier was last seen June third, 314 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: after a night out with friends. Now, a new report 315 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: reveals two hours before she vanished, Spiro Or helped a 316 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: male friend to get home after he'd been in a scuffle, 317 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: and that friend now claims he was punched in the 318 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: face and has no memory of how the knight ended. 319 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Corey Rossman, this person who she was walking back and 320 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: forth with, has hired a lawyer immediately, and the lawyer 321 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: says that when Corey and Lauren arrived at that building, 322 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: that there was that fight. Corey was punched in the face, 323 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: and the lawyer claims that now Corey has no memory 324 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: of anything else that happened that night. Fishy. You know, 325 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: we call that convenient amnesia in law enforcement. You know, 326 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: why is it? Here's my question, why did this guy 327 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: run out so quickly and lawyer up? Typically, as a 328 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: homicide investigator or any investigator, when a person runs out 329 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: quickly right after somebody is missing or harmed and get 330 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: an attorney, we always look at that person with some 331 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: air of suspicion because that's a little bit unusual. And 332 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: then why is it that he cannot remember something that 333 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: just happened days ago? You know, he's got a point too, 334 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Unico parton what allisurely happened when he got punched in 335 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: the face. He was with Lauren. He was with Lauren. 336 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: They were again going to some friends apartment to continue 337 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: their party before guys approached Corey and Lauren, and one 338 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: of the gentlemen said to Lauren, Hey, are you okay? 339 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: You appear to be really drunk, and Corey says, look, dude, 340 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I've got this. I'm taking care of her, and they 341 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of got into a verbal altercation. Corey began to 342 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: curse the guy out, and the guy punched Corey in 343 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: the face. They stumbled out of the apartment building Corey 344 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: and Lauren, and it's after that incident that Corey says 345 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: he suffered from memory loss. Okay, she and Michael Siavolo, 346 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: this is very confusing fact scenario because they're going from 347 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: place to place partying that night during the NBA playoffs 348 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: and then with a group of people. What happens when 349 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: she leaves the bar with Corey. So when she leaves 350 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: the bar with Corey, they go back into smallwood of 351 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: the high rise residential building that she lived in, and 352 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: they they entered. They were up on the floor that 353 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: Lauren lived on, waiting for the elevator to go back 354 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: down when they when the elevator door opens, Zach Oakes, 355 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: accompanied by three other friends were getting off the elevator 356 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: and one of the boys lived on the same floor 357 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: knew Lauren from school and said, hey, you okay because 358 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: she was kind of leaning up against the wall and 359 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: she wasn't she wasn't intoxicated, And Corey Rossman said answered 360 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: for her and said no, no, she's fine, She's leaving 361 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: with me. It's okay. And the boys also said no, 362 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: she lives right down the wall. Take her back to 363 00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: her apartment. And they gotten into a verbal alt and uh. 364 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: Corey Rossman dropped an F bomb and Zach Oakes is 365 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: a tough kid, UH from Indianapolis, and he punched Corey 366 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: in the face and Corey went down and the four 367 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: boys ran out of the building through a stairway because 368 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: they didn't want to get arrested for assault. With that, 369 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Corey left Smallwood with Lauren h They were seen on 370 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: surveillance camera on Tenth Streets sitting on some steps, some 371 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: concrete steps of another apartment complex right across the street 372 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: from Smallwood. That's captured on camera and UH. And then 373 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: they proceed to walk up the alley where Lauren uh fell. 374 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: They attempted, and Corey carried her up some steps in 375 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: that food building, and they knocked on the door of 376 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: four girls that were at the pregame party with them 377 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: a few hours earlier, and all of those girls were 378 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: asleep and didn't answer the door. So we see on 379 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: Saveillan's video Corey carrying her down the stairway back into 380 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: the back alley to the area where she loses her 381 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: her wallet and ID and her keys, and he carries 382 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: her across a vacant lot which is strewn with broken 383 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: bricks and debris, and she's barefoot, so he carries her, 384 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, he drapes her arms across his shoulders, and 385 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: he carries her up to the apartment on Eleventh Street, 386 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: which she shares with Mike Beth. Mike Beth was home 387 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: after the pregame. He did not go out to kill 388 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Roy's sports. His claim is he had a paper due 389 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: the next day and he needed to work all night 390 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: Lauren on the paper. So Corey walks in with Lauren. 391 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: She sits on the couch and Corey is very very drunk, 392 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: and he starts to get sick and Mike helps him 393 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: up the stairway it's a duplex, up to his room. 394 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: Corey vomits on the stairway, and then Mike helps him 395 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: into his bed. He goes back downstairs, and he wants 396 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: to get rid of Lauren because he has to do 397 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: his school work, so he then brings Lauren next door 398 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: to Jay Rosenbaum's house. And Jay Rosenbaum had attended a 399 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: camp some time earlier with Lauren and knew her a 400 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: lot better than the other boys, and Rosenbaum did, claims 401 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I've interviewed him on two separate occasions, claims he tried 402 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: to have Lauren sleep on the couch, but she preferred 403 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: to go home, so he let her go home, and 404 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: he went upstairs to the second floor of balcony, where 405 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 1: he then claims he he yells out to her she's 406 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: walking down the street towards College Avenue, call me when 407 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: you find your phone, or text me when you find 408 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: your phone, and then he claims he sees in the 409 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: shadows a second figure intosect with Lauren, but he's not 410 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: quite certain if his mind is just he wants to 411 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: help so much that he sees this, or maybe it 412 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: really didn't happen, and that's as much substance as we 413 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: have to this, and that's the least we see of 414 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Laurence Spirit. Michael standing from the balcony. Would he have 415 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: been able to see her at that spot? He claims 416 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: he saw her. Yes, Well, we do know what happened 417 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: to her cell phone and keys. Take a listen to 418 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: our cut ten Fox niece. Lauren Spirit's cell phone and 419 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: keys were recovered shortly after she was reported missing in 420 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: the same neighborhood she was last seen. So that image 421 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: from the earlier in this story of her on that 422 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: security camera, that's the last known image. And family members 423 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: at a news conference today say when they take a 424 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: look at it, they seem much more. I think if 425 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: you look closely at the content in this picture, you 426 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: will see who Lauren is. She's a happy, smiling, beautiful 427 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: young lady on her way out for the evening to 428 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: meet with friends. In Spira's father believed that she is 429 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: being held by a person or person's la Spirit has 430 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: been missing out for twelve and a half days. Time 431 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Michael Servelo. Where did Lauren's father 432 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: get the idea that she was being held captive. Well, 433 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: that was very very early on before we you know, 434 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: that was twelve days into the investigation, and here we sit, 435 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, some almost ten and a half years later, 436 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: we've learned a great deal through through interviews and investigation 437 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: that yes, it is a possibility that is one of 438 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: the scenarios, that's some random person snatched her off the street, 439 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: but the others of very scenarios still have very much 440 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: in play. Jesse, Jesse Wolfe, is still not properly alified 441 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: as to his exact whereabouts. Yes, at four or fifteen 442 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: in the morning. I've interviewed a number of his fraternity 443 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: brothers and roommates. He was in a fraternity that was 444 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: so rowdy they got thrown off campus. So they lived 445 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: in a number of small off campus rental properties. Jesse 446 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: lived with three other fellows, and he claims he was 447 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: at another house down the block or a block or 448 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: two away from his house, which was at ninth and 449 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: Fess in Bloomington, watching the NBA playoffs, and then when 450 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: he went home, he talked about it, and they had 451 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: a couple of beers with a roommate, and the roommate 452 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: puts it at about two fifteen. The latest two thirty 453 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: in the morning and Lauren goes missing that four fifteen. 454 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: So where was Jesse with one hundred percent degree of 455 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: certainty between two thirty in the morning and four fourth fifteen, 456 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: still a huge question mark. And Jesse, you know, he's 457 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: lawyered up. His father Alan Wolf runs interference for him 458 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: when we attempted to further interview Jesse wolf So that scenario, 459 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: the jealous boyfriend finding out that Lauren is out with 460 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: the Rosenbaum, Beth and Corey Rossman crew. He may have 461 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: either walked up there or taken his vehicle up there, 462 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: knowing where they live. It was only about four blocks 463 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: from where he lives, and he might have been staking 464 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: it out. When Lauren turned the corner. He might have said, 465 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: get in the car, we have to talk. You know, 466 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: a scenario is still very much in play. He reported 467 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: were missing. Michael Jesse Wolfe reported later that afternoon. Yes, 468 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, Jesse Wolfe went to the Bloomington police station 469 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: and reported are missing. Has Jay Rosenbaum the one who 470 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: was with her, who last saw her, he says, Walking 471 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: towards her apartment, he yells out, texting when you find 472 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: your cell phone? Has he taken a polygraph, yes, pass 473 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: if he has I you know what, law enforcement doesn't 474 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: tell us everything. I interviewed him in the presence of 475 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: his lawyer. His lawyer, a female lawyer from Indianapolis, was 476 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: on the line when I interviewed him. About a year 477 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: and a half to two years later, I traveled to 478 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 1: Michigan after he graduated, and I reinterviewed him in the 479 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: presence of his mother. I asked him during that second interview, 480 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: would you be willing at our expense to take a polygraph. 481 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: We'll travel back to Michigan to conduct with all polygraphists 482 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: to conduct the polygraph examination. Yes, Or if you would 483 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: like to come to New York, We'll pay all the expenses, 484 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: put you and your mom or your dad in a 485 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: hotel in New York. Will pay for everything. And would 486 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: you do that? He responded affirmatively, Yes, I'll take another 487 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: I'll take a polygraph. What about Jesse boyfriend? Nancy? Just 488 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: let me finish on. Rosenbaum flew back to New York 489 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: and the next day I got a call from Rosenbaum's 490 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: father saying that they had a family discussion and they 491 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: now declined to take a polygraph. Okay with respected Jesse Wolfe. 492 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: I did not conduct a polygraph. I'm not certain. I'm 493 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: not I know that he was questioned by the authorities 494 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: at length, the authorities being the Bloomington Police Department, right, 495 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he was questioned by the FBI 496 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: as well. They are reluctant. We don't know if either 497 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: of them have ever taken a polly. Guys, take a 498 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: listen to the Bloomington Police Chief, Mike dish Off. This 499 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: is our cut twelve. Over the course of the last 500 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: ten years, the Bloomington Police Department has received thousands of tips, 501 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: interviewed hundreds of people, obtained a multitude of court orders, 502 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: and executed innumerable search warrants in Bloomington and elsewhere. BBD 503 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: has been assisted from the very beginning by multiple law 504 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: enforcement agencies, and to this day continue to work most 505 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: closely with the FBI. Many times we are asked if 506 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: Lawrence case is listed as a cold case. The answer 507 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: to that is an unequivocal noe. A cold case is 508 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: one where no leads or information has come in and 509 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: the case spile setstormant. That has never been the case 510 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: regarding Lauren, and there has always been something to follow 511 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: up on the last three to four years, for example, 512 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: investigators have executed at least ten search warrants and received 513 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: approximately eight hundred tips. Of those steps, over one hundred 514 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: of them required edititional follow up once they were that 515 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: it was determined that they were not reports for information 516 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: that are been reported previously. Overall, since twenty eleven, BPD 517 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: has received nearly thirty six hundred tips, with approximately eleven 518 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: hundred of those determined to be actionable and assigned to 519 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: additional follow up. You're hearing Bloomington Police Chief Mike Diekoff 520 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: speaking the tip line A one two three, three, nine, 521 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: four four seven seven eight one two three, three, nine, four, 522 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: four seven seven And with every day that passes, the 523 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: facts surrounding the disappearance of Lauren Spear will become more 524 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: murky fancy grace crime story. Signing off goodbye friend,