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Speaker 3: Re easy, friends. Pro day season is over, the hey

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Speaker 3: welcome you to the best podcast available. We thank you

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Speaker 3: for being here, for liking, for subscribing, for sharing. We're

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Speaker 3: You were at Colorado PRODA and Boulder. We'll get to

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Speaker 3: what did you see from shud Or Sanders? And I

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Speaker 1: I went into the pro day hoping that my perspective

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Speaker 3: And I keep telling people, and I know Field, you

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Speaker 1: I think it's like I would say, I still think

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Speaker 1: I think I'd have Shador going twenty one to Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Saint wuld be the most obvious one.

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Speaker 1: And I haven't gotten the impression that the Saints are

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Speaker 5: For Travis Hunter.

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Speaker 2: It really did. And you know, I mentioned earlier how

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Speaker 1: The pro day for Shador Sanders to look about like

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Speaker 1: He went no gloves for the workout, which I think

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Speaker 1: The ball rarely hit the ground that didn't during the

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Speaker 1: And you know, mel kiper Jingior has been doing this

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Speaker 4: Would you go more plays on offense or more plays

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Speaker 2: He's too good at both spots. I think that he

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Speaker 3: dragging on a couple.

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Speaker 5: Of months ago.

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Speaker 3: Field I heard, well, I don't know the guy played

443
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Speaker 3: corner at one hundred and seventy five pounds in this

444
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Speaker 3: league consistently. Even though, like Ryan Clark this morning, your

445
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 3: colleague said he's he's a Hall of Fame talent on

446
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Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball, which is saying saying a.

447
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Speaker 2: Lots yeah it is.

448
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Speaker 3: But he looked more rocked up Friday. I don't know, like,

449
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: what did he put on ten pounds? Did anyone ask?

450
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Speaker 1: He was one eighty seven at the COMBINX. He's clearly

451
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Speaker 1: been spending some time in the weight room. And I

452
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Speaker 1: would just say, you know, last year, there's a big

453
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Speaker 1: conversation about Jaden Daniels in the frame that he had

454
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Speaker 1: and whether he was just you know, one big hit

455
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Speaker 1: waiting to happen away from you know, a big significant injury. Well,

456
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Speaker 1: Jaden got rocked last year in that Carolina game, left

457
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Speaker 1: early in the game that they were up.

458
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Speaker 2: So big that they just said, let's just think about

459
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Speaker 2: next week.

460
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Speaker 1: And then remember he was like not going to play

461
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Speaker 1: against the Bears in the one versus two games and

462
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Speaker 1: then played and of course through a Hail Mary at

463
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Speaker 1: the end of the game to win that game. You know,

464
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Speaker 1: thinking back to last year, the people with LSU really

465
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Speaker 1: confident in the body type of Jaden Daniels. He has

466
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Speaker 1: this almost like elasticity to him that he can handle

467
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Speaker 1: and absorb much more contact than a typical two hundred

468
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Speaker 1: and six pound quarterback could. I think Travis kind of

469
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Speaker 1: fits into that mold as well. These slender looking wide

470
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Speaker 1: receivers who, yes, they they're not built like heinz Ward

471
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Speaker 1: out there, but they are so tough and understand how

472
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Speaker 1: to avoid contact so well that they probably miss out

473
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Speaker 1: on some of those big hits more than the typical

474
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Speaker 1: wide receiver does.

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Speaker 4: When you take a look at some of the other

476
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Speaker 4: draft positions in this one, obviously running back comes to mind.

477
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Speaker 4: Tight end as well. Those are two positions of need

478
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Speaker 4: for this football team. Obviously we could take a look.

479
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Speaker 4: It's probably day two, even not day three, but some

480
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Speaker 4: names maybe that stand out for the Cleveland Browns, both

481
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Speaker 4: at the tight end position at the running back room

482
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Speaker 4: that could be available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, running backs had a lot of options here, so

484
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Speaker 1: day two, I think Omaron Hampton slides into round one

485
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Speaker 1: from North Carolina. Mel much more optimistic than I am

486
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Speaker 1: that he's going to be maybe a top twelve pick.

487
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Speaker 1: I think it's maybe more like late first for Mario

488
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Speaker 1: and Hampton. But if he's there at thirty three, that'd

489
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Speaker 1: be an interesting name for sure. Excuse me, Caleb Johnson

490
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Speaker 1: from Iowa probably late two, early three. Obviously it have

491
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Speaker 1: to be early three for the Browns if they stand

492
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Speaker 1: pass at that pick. Ran a four to five seven

493
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Speaker 1: forty at the combine. But man, this guy was a

494
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Speaker 1: great player at Iowa during his last season, a factor

495
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Speaker 1: in the passing game as well. On Day three, there's

496
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Speaker 1: kind of all kinds of names, and it's really like,

497
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Speaker 1: what do you want in your back? If Nick Chubb

498
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Speaker 1: remains off the roster and you're saying to yourself, we

499
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Speaker 1: need some power from our back. We needs a guy who,

500
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Speaker 1: you know, we can hand the football off in some

501
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Speaker 1: nasty Lake effect weather in late December and just let him,

502
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Speaker 1: you know, chew up twenty carries. Ali Gordon from Oklahoma

503
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: State two years ago was unbelievable. This year really fell off.

504
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Speaker 1: If you're looking for the opposite of that, a guy

505
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Speaker 1: who you might only want seven to ten touches per game,

506
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: but those seven to ten touches might average ten yards

507
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Speaker 1: of pop. Jaden Blue from Texas comes to mind for me,

508
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: really really impactful player for them last year. Has to

509
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Speaker 1: be better in the ball security department from tight end,

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Speaker 1: A lot of options there, I do think in round two,

511
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Speaker 1: you know Elijah Royo from Miami. Miami tight ends have

512
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Speaker 1: treated Cleveland relatively well of lates, with of course the

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Speaker 1: chief David and Joku there. Mason Taylor, the son of

514
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Speaker 1: Jason Taylor, of course, played his college ball in the

515
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Speaker 1: great state of Ohio, so perhaps there's some you know,

516
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Speaker 1: some serendipity there. And then going into day three, Luke

517
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Speaker 1: Lache from Iowa Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame, like, there

518
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys at that spot compared to

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Speaker 1: other classes where maybe the top of the draft represents

520
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: like four or five clear starting tight ends, but the

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Speaker 1: second tier of tight ends in this class can be

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Speaker 1: very serviceable tight end twos, which is with the Browns

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Speaker 1: seed right, they have David and Joku to be the

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Speaker 1: focal point of their tight end route.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Field Yates here from ESPN Field, I think

526
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Speaker 3: we're like, what thirteen fourteen minutes in and haven't mentioned

527
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Speaker 3: the name Abdul Carter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yet again, go back a couple of months ago. Forget

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Speaker 3: about the quarterbacks for a second. If you had said

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Speaker 3: best player in the draft, he's going number one overall,

532
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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody would have argued that's before he

533
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Speaker 3: single handedly wrecked the college football playoff with one shoulder.

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Speaker 5: The guy's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Why is he not in the conversation more for number

536
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Speaker 3: one overall? If we agree that cam Ward very good player,

537
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Speaker 3: but if you put him in last year's class or

538
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: even potentially in next year's class, just trying to forecast ahead,

539
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be the first quarterback. When Abdul Carter jumps

540
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Speaker 3: off the page and then off the field, there's been

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Speaker 3: some stuff as well. Shouldn't he be in that conversation

542
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Speaker 3: at number one overall?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably the reality for Travis and Abdul

545
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Speaker 1: is that if the Titans had a different sort of

546
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Speaker 1: plan and strategy at quarterback this offseason, if they had

547
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Speaker 1: made a play for Sam Donald or something like that,

548
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Speaker 1: then maybe we're having that debate right now who's at

549
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: number one? And is Cleveland going to sit there and

550
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: say cam Ward is ours? Are they going to say, hey,

551
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Speaker 1: we're also bypassing a quarterback because of how exceptional these

552
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Speaker 1: two players are. I've had Travis Hunter slightly ahead of

553
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Speaker 1: Abdul Carter throughout the process as my number one pick,

554
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Speaker 1: but it's really it's like a fifty two to forty

555
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: eight type of advantage, right, this is one in one A. However,

556
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Speaker 1: you want to categorize twelve sacks last season for Abdul

557
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Carter clearly the best pass rusher in this year's class.

558
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: Elite first step quickness, plays with the tenacity and force

559
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: and an energy that is unmistakable. It was on display

560
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: in that playoff game against Notre Dame where he was playing,

561
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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Andrew with just one shoulder. Basically, he's

562
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: got versatility too, right, I mean, it's kind of low

563
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: hanging fruit to compare him to Micah Parsons because they

564
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: both went to Penn State in more number eleven. It's

565
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: also not because Micah for two years was a stand

566
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Speaker 1: up inside linebacker. His final season didn't play at Penn

567
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: State because of the COVID year, but you know it

568
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: was going to be a full time edge rusher.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: Same deal for Abdul Carter's that he went from a

571
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Speaker 1: stand up inside linebacker to a full time edge because

572
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: they had two players draft in the first three rounds

573
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Speaker 1: last year. They were edge rushers and so wouldn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me if we're talking about Abdull Carter is one of

575
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Speaker 1: the best pass rushers within two or three years of

576
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Speaker 1: his NFL career, and as we know through the Miles

577
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: Garrett contract, other than quarterback, I guess Jamar Chase recently

578
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: leapfrogged him. But it's a top three premium position in

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Speaker 1: the entire league right.

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Speaker 3: Now, real quick here on Carter if he falls to

581
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Speaker 3: the Giants, obviously it's not a position of need. Right

582
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: you got to Activodeau, you traded for Brian Burns last year.

583
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 3: It would be an embarrassment of riches. I know there's

584
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: a connection there at Dave all Sun and Penn State,

585
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: and they've you know, obviously gotten together this week as well.

586
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: And let the speculation run rampant here. But there is

587
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: a chance field, isn't there that he gets to four.

588
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: That would the best player in the draft on many

589
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: people's boards, gets to Mike Vrabel at four.

590
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Speaker 1: I would and if I would do it, I'm the Giants,

591
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: and I would say that the glut of pass rushers

592
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: we have is a problem for another day. When every

593
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: team in the NFL other than maybe Philadelphia, sit in

594
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: there state of themselves like man, we have zero pass

595
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: rushers or minimal pass rushers and make significant impact plays

596
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: and the Giants could have three. Like to me, that's

597
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: a who cares about too much depth, because there is

598
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: no such thing as too much depth. Patriots, same deal,

599
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: despite their glaring left tackle need. Bam, take out Dual

600
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Carter and figure out that left tackle spot a little

601
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: bit later on in the board. I just think he's

602
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: too good of a prospect. And you know the reason

603
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: why these teams end up at the top of the

604
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: draft board is usually because they don't draft well previously.

605
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: The best way to prevent yourself from drafting poorly is

606
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Speaker 1: by drafting for value and not for need. When you

607
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: draft for need, it typically leads to more errors than

608
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: drafting for value and trusting your board.

609
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Speaker 4: Give me anything else, I think we're good, buddy. I

610
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: don't want to take any more of his time up.

611
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 4: I know that he's got four hundred other things to

612
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: do today in a car wash at ESPN probably.

613
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Speaker 3: Wait, I got one more thing, all right, we'll make

614
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: a quick field that promise, and I thank you in

615
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: advance here. All right, So here's my crazy theory. And

616
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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily believe this, but I put it on

617
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: TikTok and it blew up last week, so here here

618
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: with me, which means it must be true. The reason

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Speaker 3: the Titans cancel their should Or Sanders workout isn't because

620
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: they're locked in on cam Ward, and it isn't because

621
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Speaker 3: they didn't like what Shaudor did at pro Day.

622
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Speaker 5: It's because they loved what Travis Hunter did it pro Day.

623
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Speaker 5: See forty chess here.

624
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: They don't need to see should Or because Travis Hunter

625
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: is that good.

626
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Speaker 5: This is me willing cam Ward to the Browns.

627
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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, man, I really get the sense they're taking

628
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: cam Ward and all of a sudden, I'm certain to

629
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Speaker 1: question myself, like in this completely unpredictable exercise. There's one

630
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Speaker 1: thing that I've felt good about two weeks out. It

631
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: was cam Ward to the Titans. And now I'm sitting

632
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: there saying to myself, do I have to read think stuff?

633
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Speaker 2: What is going on here? I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm

634
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Speaker 2: gonna stick with cam Ward number.

635
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Speaker 5: One, the good move field. Don't don't fall for it.

636
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Speaker 1: I got two weeks until my last mock draft comes out,

637
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: so if I shake things up, you guys can all blame.

638
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: Andrew Xavier or Strepo said this morning on GMFB the

639
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: cam Ward is the worst fisherman he's ever seen.

640
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: So if you're going for best available fishermen, Travis has

641
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 5: to be the first over.

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00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: The clearcut number one, thick.

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00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: Clear cut number one, Field Yates is the clear cut

644
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: number one is well Thursday and Friday on ABC for

645
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: draft coverage Green Bay, and then Sunday on ESPN all

646
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: day long, all the way down to mister irrelevant, which

647
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: is a title Field would never get. We love you,

648
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: thanks for coming on man. A happy draft season to

649
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: you and yours, and we'll raise a glass on the

650
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: night of the twenty sixth when it's all over.

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00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that. We'll talk to you guys

652
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: again soon.

653
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: Give me the The Abdual Carter thing is really interesting

654
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: to me because as much as I was pounding the

655
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: table like get ready for Travis Hunter, I actually wouldn't

656
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: be upset if it's Abdull Carter. And hear me out.

657
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: The idea of a Miles Garrett Abdul Carter pass rush

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Speaker 3: like unleash the Dogs would wreak havoc in the AFC North.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it would be almost instantaneously the best defensive

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Speaker 3: end duo in the NFL. You can and Jim Schwartz.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just the idea give me of Jim Schwartz

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Speaker 3: letting both of those guys go eat with Mike Hall

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Speaker 3: fingers crossed healthy in the middle, who gets Upfield as well?

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Speaker 3: I mean that would as an OC give me sleepless

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Speaker 3: nights getting ready for the Browns.

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Speaker 4: I understand. I think that you can't have enough edge rushers.

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Speaker 4: I think Field said that. I think there's not a

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Speaker 4: team in the NFL that is going we have enough,

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Speaker 4: and that includes the Giants at pick number three. You know,

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Speaker 4: why wouldn't they go get him if he's on the

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Speaker 4: board again, I just I'm trying to. I'm trying to.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at it maybe a little differently than Field is.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at I need to fill needs with top

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Speaker 4: notch quality talent, and I have a chance to do

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Speaker 4: so at the wide receiver position and maybe even a

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Speaker 4: little at the corner, or a lot at the corner

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Speaker 4: and a little bit at the wide receiver position. That

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Speaker 4: that's my whole deal. If you're not going to go

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Speaker 4: quarterback me personally, Travis Hunter would be my pick. Abdul

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Speaker 4: Carter gives you a lot of options for Jim Schwartz

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Speaker 4: and this Browns defense.

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Speaker 5: I mean, but again, you gotta score points. I know

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Speaker 5: you have to score points. That's all.

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Speaker 4: Carter running back, I'm not I don't want a duel

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Speaker 4: Carter coming into the building if we draft him and

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Speaker 4: coming after me.

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Speaker 5: I like, you not going to come after you? Do

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Speaker 5: you think you love James Franklin too? I love Jim Oh.

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Speaker 3: Pens, Penn Stay fans and my family. They would like

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Speaker 3: a word that they would Penn state had a headache.

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Speaker 5: It's a human. I like him. Yes, let's put it though,

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Speaker 5: under understood. All right?

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Speaker 3: You mentioned quarterback here. Obviously, with this whole thing, quarterback

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Speaker 3: hangs over all of this. Let's finish with the quarterback thought.

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Speaker 3: Because Gibby you you put a great note here in

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Speaker 3: the chat the odds that, no matter what, the Browns

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Speaker 3: take a quarterback with one of the first two picks.

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Speaker 3: What are the odds? I will say that, no matter what,

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Speaker 3: Oh man, what do you got? I'm gonna say like,

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Speaker 3: I'm only gonna say like forty percent because this I

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Speaker 3: don't think they're going quarterback at two. That's what my

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Speaker 3: gut tells me right now. And then you have to

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Speaker 3: love the quarterback at thirty three, and there is a

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Speaker 3: world in which Shodorg Sanders goes nine to the Saints

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Speaker 3: and Jackson Dart goes twenty one to the to the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: And then you're like, Okay, at thirty three, do we

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Speaker 3: do we really like Jalen Milroe or.

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Speaker 5: An impressive workout? Suppose we? I mean, come on, would

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Speaker 5: we rather have Traveon Henderson? The girl had an impressive

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Speaker 5: workout with Jordan mcgrigg video.

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Speaker 3: I am not here in any way to insult the

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Speaker 3: insiders from any network, right, I mean, Field is kind

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Speaker 3: of in that world as well, which just had them on.

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Speaker 3: But as Daniel Jeremiah tweeted yesterday, just got off the

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Speaker 3: phone with the month of a bunch of agents stunned

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Speaker 3: to hear that sixty seven players are guaranteed to go

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Speaker 3: in the first round. Okay, agents, it is their job

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Speaker 3: right now to tell everyone reporting pre draft rumblings that

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Speaker 3: their guy had an amazing workout and their guy is

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Speaker 3: definitely going night number one. It is that time of

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Speaker 3: the year. Okay, They're not going to be sixty seven

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Speaker 3: first round picks. I'm just saying, take everything you hear

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Speaker 3: with a grain of salt and also, let me do

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Speaker 3: one more thing, another pet peeve of mine. There is

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Speaker 3: this natural inclination, Gibbie, and this goes not just in

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Speaker 3: football but throughout the sports world that people assume, fans assume,

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Speaker 3: writers assume that if player and coach used to be

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Speaker 3: together somewhere else at another team, therefore they must love

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Speaker 3: each other. They're friends and they want to work together again.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no, they were together in Dallas. Of course we're

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Speaker 3: gonna put them together in Miami. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: We're connecting the dots. What it does mean is they

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Speaker 3: have each other's phone number. But it doesn't mean they

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Speaker 3: enjoyed working with each other, and it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: one would recommend the other to join him at the

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Speaker 3: new job. And so this assumption and full disclosure, I

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Speaker 3: have not spoken with Tommy Reese about Jaln Milroll. I

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Speaker 3: have no idea, no idea, but there is this assumption, Well,

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Speaker 3: one coach the other, therefore one must want the other.

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Speaker 5: Again.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a lazy connecting of dots. Generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: when we look.

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Speaker 5: At draft boards.

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Speaker 3: So if the Browns don't like a quarterback at thirty three,

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Speaker 3: if Shador, if Jackson Dart maybe even if Jaln Milroll

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Speaker 3: are already gone. I'm not I'm not in any way

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Speaker 3: promising a quarterback at thirty three.

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Speaker 5: Fair, I'm gonna put it at the Great Azzie Newsom's number.

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Speaker 5: Eighty two?

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Speaker 3: You think it's eighty two percent that they're going to

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Speaker 3: take a quarterback with one first?

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Speaker 5: Sure? Who picks the number that popped into my head

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Speaker 5: right away?

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Speaker 3: Let's go, Wow, I'm gonna go Lee Roy Kelly, I'll

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Speaker 3: go Kelly Pruitt Biner, and I'll say forty four percent?

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I like, yeah, solid number? Hold on?

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Speaker 5: Was it Greg or Mike Preuitt? The were forty four?

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Speaker 5: I was got mixed up? Oh, hold on, I'm googling.

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Speaker 5: This is live googling. That's all right, Like Greg prue

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Speaker 5: wor thirty Yeah, that's where I'm at. I just feel

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Speaker 5: like that's gonna happen where.

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Speaker 3: Mike hold on, stay there, Mike prew Jersey, this is

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Speaker 3: live googling. Prew or forty three? Okay, thirty four and

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Speaker 3: forty three, So let's just go Lee Roy Kelly and

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Speaker 3: Ernest Biner Okay, okay, all right? And and Jim Brown's

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Speaker 3: number at Syracuse forty four. We'll go forty four.

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Speaker 5: I like how you got a Syracuse mentioned.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a Jim Brown helmet sitting there over

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Speaker 3: my shoulder, not a Brown's helmet. Feeling no need to

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Speaker 3: cut that out or edit it. I will take I'll

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Speaker 3: take the five yard loss there. I got a prew

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Speaker 3: it number wrong, all right. That's going to do it

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Speaker 3: for us, for Jason Gibbs and Andrews Sociliano. Again, thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening to the best podcast available. Thanks for liking, subscribing,

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Speaker 3: take in this show. Friends, we are all most there.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah joins us next week. Until then, see you