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Speaker 1: Welcome to the crime Roundup. I'm Cheryl McCollum and I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by the one and only Nancy Grace. Y'all. Today

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Speaker 1: we are talking Delphi, and y'all remember February fourteenth, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: Abigail Williams and Liberty German were murdered at the high Bridge. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Nancy jump right on in here because

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Speaker 1: we had some stuff pop off in court yesterday that

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Speaker 1: absolutely needs our attention. Morning.

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Speaker 2: Nancy.

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Speaker 3: You know what I must really either love you or

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Speaker 3: hate Richard Allen. I can't figure out.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to go fishing.

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Speaker 4: For Pete's sake.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to take the twins fishing. We're down here

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Speaker 3: at Appalachric in our apple like COOLi is think oysters

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Speaker 3: and we are about to go out and hit the water.

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Speaker 4: But I just have to talk to you, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: McCollum, about that poc Richard Allen.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of fishing, they got fish in a barrel

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Speaker 1: with this idiot. He has confessed, Nancy, we know now

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Speaker 1: sixty times.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear the confessional. I can't wait

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Speaker 3: to hear what he said.

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Speaker 4: There was life on the phone.

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Speaker 3: Has anybody told you exactly what he said?

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Speaker 1: No, but you remember when you and I first talked

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Speaker 1: about it, we said, if he has said anything that

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Speaker 1: has not been released to the public, that only the

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Speaker 1: killer would know that, that would be a money tree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably something about the bullet. I guarantee you. Okay, Wait,

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Speaker 3: let's just start out the beginning about what's happening right now. Okay,

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Speaker 3: First of all, in my mind, Harel, as you know,

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Speaker 3: it's like explosions going off all the time. First of all,

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Speaker 3: what you just said when you said this goes all

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Speaker 3: the way back for all those years.

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Speaker 4: What was it was a.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen thing, Cheryl, it's twenty twenty four. This has

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Speaker 3: been dragging along for seven years. Those poor families, they

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Speaker 3: just must be losted. Oh, because I know after a

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Speaker 3: day in court, even but I would be dealing with

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Speaker 3: somebody else's murder. I would come home. Of course, the

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Speaker 3: hours were so long when you were on trial. But

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Speaker 3: I would come home and just fall over. Sometimes I

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Speaker 3: would fall Oh. I did this during Dancing with Stars.

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Speaker 3: David would say.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you've been gone all day long.

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Speaker 3: Let's go out and damn like sure and go Okay,

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Speaker 3: let me go through some whatever and have on.

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Speaker 4: I want to depend on something nice, to go to

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Speaker 4: supper and come back.

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Speaker 3: You can say, I'll be asleep on the bed in

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Speaker 3: my clothes, and she used I just would fall over.

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Speaker 3: Same thing after a trial, and just imagine what these

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Speaker 3: hellies have gone there for seven years. Okay, that's the first.

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Speaker 3: When you see twenty seventeen, it just hit me in

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Speaker 3: the face. Next thing, okay, alert, alert, prosecutors, drop your motion,

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Speaker 3: stop your motion to exclude the defense.

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Speaker 4: They're a that.

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Speaker 3: Richard Allen didn't do it. The odists did. Please let

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Speaker 3: the defense argue said, this little community of three thousand people,

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Speaker 3: it's bigger than where I grew up, three thousand people

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Speaker 3: that somehow the Oldnists infiltrated and I had to find

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Speaker 3: out about the Oldness. I had to bring on an expert,

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Speaker 3: not once, not twice, but I think I brought them

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Speaker 3: the three times on the christ stories to help explain

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Speaker 3: what is an Oldnist? Oldness are people that were ship

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Speaker 3: the Norse gods? What yes, like the valkyrie, you know,

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Speaker 3: the women warrior that flies through the air and kill

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Speaker 3: the other imaginary warriors and thord. They somehow infiltrated this

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Speaker 3: little community and nobody knew about it, and then their

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Speaker 3: first official act was killing these two little girls. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I would just be mad if they

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Speaker 3: did not argue that now there is a more nefarious

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Speaker 3: slant to it, and they claim that the Oldists are

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Speaker 3: densely populated amongst white supremacists, so they're adding not only

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Speaker 3: oldists did it. As the defense, they're giving that a

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Speaker 3: heavy sprinkling white supremacy, which everybody hates. So I guess

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Speaker 3: they're sure going to tank the jury. Sure, please argue that.

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Speaker 1: There was no way I was going to interrupt you,

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Speaker 1: because this is pure gold.

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Speaker 4: So happy.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that just kind of blows my mind

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Speaker 1: about this whole thing is, how do you, under a

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Speaker 1: gag order go ahead and get your way of thinking

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Speaker 1: out there? How do you go ahead and throw your

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Speaker 1: defense out there? This is how they're doing it. They

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Speaker 1: want to muck that water up so bad that they're

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Speaker 1: going to throw stuff out there that everybody goes, what

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Speaker 1: what is that? Even every expert that you saw on TV,

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Speaker 1: your show, everybody else's show, they had to go look

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Speaker 1: it up. Nobody's ever heard of this.

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Speaker 3: I did not know what ad somewise. I'm embarrassed to say, Okay, wait,

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Speaker 3: because there was a defense I had never heard of.

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Speaker 2: I don't think i've.

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Speaker 3: Been this happy since I'm And you know who did

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Speaker 3: it too, He amazingly was went to the district attorney.

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Speaker 3: I worked with a prosecutor as my equal in the das. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: we tried a case together when I was knee when

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Speaker 3: I still had people trying the cases with me against

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Speaker 3: two killers. I still remember them right now. And the

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Speaker 3: victim was a little boy says about thirteen. His nickname

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Speaker 3: was Moonbeam, as I recall him, played in the band.

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Speaker 3: And these two thugs sitting Moonbeam coming around from school,

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Speaker 3: and they have high powered weapons. They look like machine guns,

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Speaker 3: and they were like spray painting black flight black, and

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Speaker 3: they at a distance like they were up in a

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Speaker 3: hunter's stand, shoot this little boy. And this is the

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Speaker 3: part that you know, I always have one fact that

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Speaker 3: kind of makes me sick to my stomach. The little

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Speaker 3: boy fell and he started crawling, calling out for his mother,

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Speaker 3: and then they kept shooting him. Okay, the defense between

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Speaker 3: two lawyers, they came up with a defense transferred intent.

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Speaker 3: Cheryl transferred in tent. I was so happy. What does

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Speaker 3: that mean? Oh, I didn't mean to shoot Eryl. I

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Speaker 3: meant to murder Max, her producer. So I just shot

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. You still meant this.

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Speaker 3: She is somebody, And I thought, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: this is not a defense under the law. You can't

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Speaker 3: say I meant to murder that person, but I accidentally

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Speaker 3: murdered this person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a confession.

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Speaker 3: I'll just tell you who it was. It was Paul Howard,

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Speaker 3: who later ran for DA and One. He's at office now.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe he was are you? But of course

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Speaker 3: I just from once kept my mouth shut and let

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Speaker 3: him argue it so I.

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Speaker 4: Could destroy it front of the jury.

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Speaker 3: That's what I hope happens. So here, I need the

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Speaker 3: state to stop fighting about oldness and let them argue it.

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Speaker 1: I agree put it out there, because then they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to say why they came to that conclusion.

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Speaker 1: What is it about the crime scene? Let's talk about it.

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Speaker 3: We were talking about this on Crime Stories yesterday. I

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Speaker 3: was very angry.

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Speaker 1: You were not there doing my real job.

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Speaker 3: Oh that darn okay.

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Speaker 4: Put the food on the table.

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Speaker 3: That thing. We were talking about, why what possible adults

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Speaker 3: could support a theory odinis odinists did it, and they

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Speaker 3: said because there were twigs in dirt in the girl's hair,

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Speaker 3: and some of the twigs made the girls look like

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Speaker 3: they had horns. Okay, first of all, that sounds so crazy,

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Speaker 3: but then think about it. I got I got thinking

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Speaker 3: about it last night. These little girls. Oh ugh, I

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Speaker 3: just had the mental picture. This happened to my little girl,

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Speaker 3: Lucy of Cheryl. You've got to see her. She's just amazing.

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Speaker 3: Everybody that sees our family pictures they say, oh, that

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Speaker 3: is so big, he's so tall, he's a giant, and

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Speaker 3: he is he's six. I think he's six six. Now

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Speaker 3: I've got to measure him overshadows Lucy as she is

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Speaker 3: love her so much. When I think of them taking

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Speaker 3: the fact that the little girls Abby and Lemmy's hair

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Speaker 3: dirty and had twigs and leaves in it because they

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Speaker 3: were down on the ground dead, and then twisting that

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Speaker 3: into a defense, it just got me so upsets. Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line.

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Speaker 3: You do know you say that like ten times?

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Speaker 4: How many bottom lines?

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Speaker 3: Her episode there's like fifty bottom line, the botom line. Oh,

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Speaker 3: she must be just rolling in money.

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Speaker 4: There's so many money trees.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that reminds me of what time me and you

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Speaker 1: and half of it is that the other half of this,

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Speaker 1: and you lost your mind. I was on roll. You

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Speaker 1: were like your parent's way a lot of money at

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Speaker 1: that private school.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: They did, didn't they? But I was on a roll.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing you want to argue, odinism. All

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Speaker 1: you're doing is somehow making the murder of two little

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Speaker 1: girls that much more twisted. You're not helping your client.

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Speaker 1: You're not. And people are going to be all wrapped

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Speaker 1: up in this. And here's the deal. Your boy has

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Speaker 1: confessed sixty times, Nancy, sixty everybody that walked past his

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Speaker 1: sale he said, hey, I did it. And the detective testified.

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Speaker 1: And you and I have been asking about this because

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Speaker 1: I've said from day one, if Richard Allen has said

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Speaker 1: anything that has not been made public, anything that only

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Speaker 1: the killer would know, that is absolutely a money tree.

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Speaker 1: And they testified yesterday that that is a fact.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute, can you just do you have

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Speaker 3: a picture of him because I've got my pad up.

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Speaker 3: Well I should be out fishing. I've got a picture

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Speaker 3: of Richard Allen up.

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Speaker 2: Just look at him.

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine him like you said, every time somebody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it, even the ward.

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Speaker 3: But okay, I got in an argument yesterday. Can you

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Speaker 3: imagine that with a really good defense attorney. What's his name,

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Speaker 3: I'll think of it in a moment. They come and

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Speaker 3: they go, and we were talking about his statements, his confessions,

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Speaker 3: his alleged confessions to his wife over the prison phone,

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Speaker 3: and we started talking about confidentiality, husband wife privilege, you know,

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Speaker 3: like attorney client privilege, priests, parishioner of privilege. So many privileges,

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Speaker 3: and it's not the individual that claims the privilege. For instance,

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Speaker 3: that the wife gets up to testify. She may hate

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Speaker 4: By now, I.

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Speaker 3: Actually think she believe whis a rex Huer moon and

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Speaker 3: the wife is making all that money.

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Speaker 4: Offer what was it to that a peacock special she's doing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, some.

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Speaker 3: Camera crew following her around. Anyway, she may hate his

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Speaker 3: guts and be happy to testify against him, which I doubt,

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Speaker 3: but she doesn't claim the husband wife privilege. He claims it,

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Speaker 3: she gets up on the stand and he goes, ugh,

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Speaker 3: object marital privilege. Okay, but that's what the attorney was arguing.

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Speaker 4: Here is a caveat.

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Speaker 3: There's an exception to that. For instance, if I'm talking

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Speaker 3: and I'm saying, yeah, okay, this is how I did it,

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Speaker 3: and we got to cover this. We got to figure

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Speaker 3: out how to defend me. That conversation is protected. But

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Speaker 3: if I have it in the middle of Walmart, or

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Speaker 3: I have it at a cot fancy cocktail party and

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Speaker 3: people are standing around, I have waived my privilege to

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. Okay, let's get rid of the

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Speaker 1: fifty five left where he confessed to his suicide, companions,

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Speaker 1: Mental illness doesn't account for him knowing facts that only

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Speaker 2: Mental illness.

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Speaker 3: In my rear end, he was working as a local

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Speaker 4: I think it was you.

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Speaker 3: There is the sketch over his head, right behind him

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Speaker 3: here watching fish again. My rear end, this if you

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Speaker 3: In that muddy water, I was saying yesterday. It reminds

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Speaker 4: Cheryl. We've got a martial art evidence.

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Speaker 3: All of this free flows stream of consciousness is great,

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Speaker 3: be you know, Cheryl, and you somehow got into many

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Speaker 3: then besides the appropriate question put interstates exhibit one, whatever

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Speaker 3: yes I did it. I want to confessedly, go and

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Speaker 3: I bet that's what the state's doing right now. I

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Speaker 3: can't believe it has been twenty seventeen, Cheryl, seventeen.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just reminded me of something where I

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Speaker 3: Oh here see God's stealing my memories.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: We were in your office and you were putting stuff

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Speaker 3: I bet I said, A, there's gonna be more than

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what you said. You say, I only

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Speaker 1: go have twenty six. I know, I have never laughed

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Speaker 3: What woy? I know in little world with copin, how

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Speaker 2: Insane? Woman?

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was getting ready for trial, everything

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Speaker 3: was like a knife and moment.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't eat, I couldn't think.

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Speaker 3: But one thing I didn't manage to learn to do

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Speaker 3: get a huge, huge cupful of made vegetable soup for

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Speaker 3: ninety nine cents and I had nothing, zero, nothing, worked

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Speaker 3: money to find the ninety nine cents. I'm not kidding, Cheryl, Oh, honey,

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Speaker 3: I understand remember the first time I was ever held

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Speaker 1: It was on a Wednesday, and I knew Miss Jackson

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Speaker 3: Great, I'm hungry exactly, just getting in there before they

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 3: So, Cheryl, can we just say a few more things

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Speaker 3: Let's just go ahead and knock down his defenses. He

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Speaker 4: You see the picture of him at.

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Speaker 3: The bar, laughing and drinking with the sketch right behind him.

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Speaker 3: The state can bring up all of his daily activities.

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Speaker 2: He's probably deacon in the church.

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Speaker 4: For Pete's sake.

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Speaker 3: He's not going to be able to claim that his

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Speaker 3: best hope is to have, oh gosh, if he's got

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Speaker 3: physical habitant, Cheryl, you talking about.

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Speaker 1: The bullet, Yes, I'm talking about the bullet, Nancy. They've

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Speaker 1: So we all thought their throats were probably cut. That's

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Speaker 1: what I theorized from the very beginning. This absolutely seems

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Speaker 1: And if he mentioned that in one of these sixty

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Speaker 3: Not only that, I think there's going to be other

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to get past the bullet,

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Speaker 1: He's given them, what his motive was.

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Speaker 3: What could possibly be a motive? Okay, here's another thing.

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Speaker 3: Do you say he molested the girls?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I do too, So there's going to be DNA agreed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we may not have sperm. He may be

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Speaker 3: that refresh everyone's recollection regarding the outfit.

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Speaker 1: He's got a hoodie owned under a blue jean jacket

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Speaker 1: and his hands are in his pockets. That was key

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Speaker 3: Everybody. Susan Hendrix is our friend, our longtime friend, all

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Speaker 3: And she said that Richard Allen would turn around. She Susan,

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Speaker 3: the grandma's and my aunts and cousins, and turn around

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Speaker 3: and overtly stare at them, I mean glare blair at them.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been on an elevator and somebody turns

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Speaker 3: how to translate that. But I hope he does that

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Speaker 3: we talked about that for a few moments, and then

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Speaker 3: for talking about that. Well, they're an idiot, because everything

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Speaker 2: Do you remember I would not paint.

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Speaker 5: My nails the whole time, all the years I was

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Speaker 5: a daight Because I once saw public defender with these

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Speaker 3: In front of the jury, basically holding a document with

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Speaker 4: Like, uh huhuh. I'm like, okay, I'm never doing that.

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Speaker 3: So if you would notice somebody's nails, for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 1: It also tells you. The defense attorney didn't tell him

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Speaker 1: to stop it and turn around. The bailiff didn't stand

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Speaker 1: and well in your courtroom that would not have happened twice.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, But can you believe.

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Speaker 3: Richard Allen turning around staring at these little girl's families

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Speaker 3: like that, like they did something wrong?

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Speaker 1: It tells you where he's at. I cannot wait until

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Speaker 1: they release what these confessions were. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: them so bad. Y'all have a good time on that boat,

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Speaker 1: have fun. I'm going to be posting pictures as soon

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Speaker 1: as somebody catches something.

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Speaker 3: But it's got to be big, because John David does

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Speaker 3: and he's really good at it. Jack and John David

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Speaker 3: will absolutely not post a little fish. It's got to

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Speaker 3: be a whopper. And you do know we throw him

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Speaker 3: back in, So we have to take the picture really

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Speaker 3: quickly and throw it back in in a hurry. Oh

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Speaker 3: I hope Dave doesn't fall overboard and disappear. Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll leave you with that thought all.

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Speaker 2: Right, honey, love you, bye, I love you.

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Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is the Crime Roundup with

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Speaker 1: zones Have It