Speaker 1: Welcome to Checking In with Michelle Williams, a production of
Speaker 1: My Heart Radio and The Black Effect. Hey everybody, it's
Speaker 1: Michelle Williams. You guys, how many of us are guilty
Speaker 1: of saying, well, I don't do politics, I'm not into politics. Well, sir, ma'am, King, Queen, Prince, princess,
Speaker 1: you must be aware of everything that is going on
Speaker 1: around you. I'm not saying that you should know every
Speaker 1: person that sits in the House of Representatives, that you
Speaker 1: should know their names and addresses, who they're married to,
Speaker 1: what school they went to, and if they graduated with honors.
Speaker 1: But I am encouraging all of us to kind of
Speaker 1: study this stuff, even if it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: studying how it affects your city, your region, and your county.
Speaker 1: I'm encouraging some of us to even go to some
Speaker 1: of our city council meetings because a lot of this
Speaker 1: stuff kind of starts in I know, there's a song
Speaker 1: out called Where the Money Resides. Where a lot of
Speaker 1: this political stuff starts in the city in which you reside.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because we feel unqualified or unworthy, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's out of our league, but we have to go
Speaker 1: beyond economics that's taught in high school. We have to
Speaker 1: go beyond social studies that's taught in middle school or
Speaker 1: high school. It's making me want to dust off the
Speaker 1: books and say, Okay, what was I taught in politics
Speaker 1: in high school? What was I taught in criminal justice
Speaker 1: while attending school college for the short while that I did.
Speaker 1: I'm not a political commentator, I am not an expert,
Speaker 1: but I am making a commitment to learn more. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone hasn't been affected by the politics
Speaker 1: of this country in the last four years. In fact,
Speaker 1: in a recent article from the Mayo Clinic, approximately sixty
Speaker 1: eight percent of American adults and black adults reporting the
Speaker 1: election as a source of stress jump from forty percent
Speaker 1: in two sixteen to sevent in Those are rather fascinating statistics.
Speaker 1: In other words, as a country and even more so
Speaker 1: as a community, we are stressed out over it. Not
Speaker 1: only are we stressed out over it, we are in
Speaker 1: fact over it. And my next guest has so much
Speaker 1: insight and important knowledge on all of this that I
Speaker 1: need to share with you right now on checking in
Speaker 1: with Michelle Williams. Well, ladies and gentlemen, it certainly is
Speaker 1: a privilege and an honor for me to introduce the
Speaker 1: next guest on the podcast Checking In with Michelle Williams.
Speaker 1: My next guest is a New York Times bestseller. My
Speaker 1: next guests made history in two thousand six when he
Speaker 1: became the youngest member of the South Carolina legislator as
Speaker 1: state representative at the age of twenty two. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna roll off the credits because sometimes you need to
Speaker 1: know the great work God has allows you to do.
Speaker 1: He is also a practicing attorney, a political contributor for
Speaker 1: Seeing In, a writer, and a fellow podcaster. And I
Speaker 1: think one of my other favorite things of him is
Speaker 1: he is a husband and a father. Please welcome my
Speaker 1: guest the Cary Sellers. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I was I was excited about the invitation from Checking
Speaker 1: In with Michelle Williams. Thank you so much. And I
Speaker 1: forgot to also add that you have your own podcast
Speaker 1: as well, and thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to you giving my listeners your take
Speaker 1: on things, giving us some practical advice on what to do.
Speaker 1: I also want to know, like, is there anything irritating
Speaker 1: you about our current generation as it relates to things
Speaker 1: of politics. So we're just gonna roll and I'm just
Speaker 1: excited to to get your wisdom and just everything about
Speaker 1: your life. We'll talk about your book, My Vanishing Country. Thanks,
Speaker 1: I sure want to know where is it? Well? Thank you.
Speaker 1: How does it feel to be on the other side
Speaker 1: of the microphone now? Asking the questions is a little
Speaker 1: different than always being asked the questions. You know, wow,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for asking. It actually feels great.
Speaker 1: This is something that I've always wanted to do. I
Speaker 1: was speaking with Attorney Crump a few weeks ago. I
Speaker 1: was on the same panel as him, and I was like,
Speaker 1: just so you know, I was in college to study
Speaker 1: criminal justice, so I'm kind of, you know, getting my
Speaker 1: kicks are kind of being on the floor right asking
Speaker 1: the questions. But I think I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: prosecuting attorney, so I get to ask an in terry.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Well, I'm on the hot seat.
Speaker 1: I'm on the checking in hot seats, so so please
Speaker 1: fire away. We'll have a good, healthy conversation, you know.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And the reason why I called
Speaker 1: this podcast checking In is because sometimes you you need
Speaker 1: to check in with yourself. You definitely need to check
Speaker 1: in with others, and you definitely need to check in
Speaker 1: with God. And so I want to ask you, Bakari,
Speaker 1: how have you been doing throughout these past for years?
Speaker 1: I've been taking it one day at a time. I'm
Speaker 1: not the right person to ask where do you see
Speaker 1: yourself in five years or ten years. I've never been
Speaker 1: that person. I'm always somebody who takes uh each day
Speaker 1: as it comes, and I try to make God posts
Speaker 1: in my life that are extremely simple. I'm not somebody
Speaker 1: who has a vision board. You know when people have
Speaker 1: vision boards and it's so convoluted you can't even see
Speaker 1: nothing on the board. They got so much stuff up there.
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who has just God posts that says, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to make my mom and dad proud. I
Speaker 1: want to I want my kids to look at me
Speaker 1: like I'm their hero. Um, like my I looked at
Speaker 1: my father like, um, he was my hero. I want
Speaker 1: my wife to be proud to to be my wife.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are the simple goals that
Speaker 1: I have and I tried to I find that that
Speaker 1: trying to achieve those things, and what would you do
Speaker 1: five years from now? Increments become difficult, so I take
Speaker 1: it one day at a time. Now with with don't Trump,
Speaker 1: It's it's unique because I've never had a sense of
Speaker 1: expectation for him. Um. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: who believed that he could do something different or be
Speaker 1: somebody else. But for me, I never really always sound yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always knew who he was and you're not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't change seventy year old men, period. So it
Speaker 1: was no there was no belief that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden when he attained the presidency, that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he was going to change his patterns or behavior.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I think that that's a very simple
Speaker 1: way to look at life. I was a little disappointed
Speaker 1: in some of the people around him, though. I was
Speaker 1: a little disappointed in people who I know, like Lindsay Graham,
Speaker 1: who transformed into a figure who we don't know who is. Um.
Speaker 1: The John maddis Is achieved me. Jim madis Is and
Speaker 1: John Kelly's of the world, the rance previous is of
Speaker 1: the world. There are a lot of people who you know.
Speaker 1: I worked with Kaylee mcinanny, Um, I worked with Kelly
Speaker 1: and Conway. I worked with Sarah could be saying, there's
Speaker 1: all people who in the green room, which is you know,
Speaker 1: dogging out the candidate Donald Trump. I can't believe that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is doing this. I can't believe people would
Speaker 1: support him and then you know, random work for him
Speaker 1: and transformed himself and probably will forever where what they
Speaker 1: call now Scarlet tea, how am I looking at it?
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I just follow the old Negro proverb,
Speaker 1: which is, uh, we tried to tell you. I mean,
Speaker 1: we we knew this was gonna happen, so it just happened.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like, I know, I know people I
Speaker 1: wish your analysis the last week. I'm like, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, call it what it is, which is white
Speaker 1: supremacist domestic terror. That's first. And second, you can see
Speaker 1: you can see that this was going to happen, and
Speaker 1: so now we have to unravel how it happened on
Speaker 1: the level that it did, and hopefully before we're forced
Speaker 1: to heal or turn the page, there will be some
Speaker 1: level of accountability. Going back to what you were talking about,
Speaker 1: how you're naming some of the people that you said
Speaker 1: work with him, who probably said they wouldn't work with him,
Speaker 1: or like you said they were dogging him out. What
Speaker 1: what do you think was the pivot power? So this
Speaker 1: is funny, Like people ask me some of the wildest
Speaker 1: questions sometimes, and um, you've been in orbits where you
Speaker 1: have uber wealthy and rich people. They do their next
Speaker 1: business deal, and people say, why don't they retire or
Speaker 1: why are they still doing this? Or why don't they
Speaker 1: why would they do that? And then you're like, I've
Speaker 1: never I've never met anybody who's sick and tired of
Speaker 1: making money. I mean, I just never that they just
Speaker 1: they ain't tired of it. Um, it's very similar that
Speaker 1: that that that type of verge is very similar to
Speaker 1: people who are craving for power. I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: find something else in your life. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who just want to want to touch
Speaker 1: the of the garment of those who are powerful and
Speaker 1: being that orbit and have me. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: president of the United States, you are the most important
Speaker 1: man in the world, arguably one of the one hundred
Speaker 1: and one most important men in the world. And so
Speaker 1: that the individuals who had those opportunities, Sarah and and
Speaker 1: Kelly Inn and all of these individuals, there's so many
Speaker 1: Kelly and Kaylee. By the way, have you ever looked
Speaker 1: at you need to take a look at Kelly and
Speaker 1: daughters TikTok Claudia Conrad. I mean she she's selling her
Speaker 1: daddy's clothes on eBay or she was like, they're going fast.
Speaker 1: Like I can't left though, because I got a fifteen
Speaker 1: year old daughter. She and they're doing virtual school. So
Speaker 1: if you hear anything about either Bible class or g
Speaker 1: I don't know a class in right now. I just
Speaker 1: know that's we're not just in here listening to the
Speaker 1: Bible and repeat, that's her in high school in there.
Speaker 1: But they sixteen year old, they're weird. So but I
Speaker 1: just you know, when you sit back, you realize that
Speaker 1: real people are involved, and so we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things is how, And I guess
Speaker 1: this is a question for someone like yourself. Often times
Speaker 1: tart to Tyler Perry and Bishop Jake's who are further along?
Speaker 1: You had Tyler's Um, I did, yes, Tyler's house. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: I consider you guys to be a little bit further
Speaker 1: along in your Christian journey than I am. Still still
Speaker 1: trying to walk to the steps. But how do we
Speaker 1: treat people who were a part of this administration going forward?
Speaker 1: How do we treat those individuals maybe who didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: enable or coddle him, but we're just around in his
Speaker 1: presence who didn't see the racism in Bigger Tree and
Speaker 1: xenophobia as a return. That's gonna be an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1: That is going to be an interesting conversation. I believe
Speaker 1: we're supposed to love each other, but I still want correction.
Speaker 1: I still want you to pull me to the side
Speaker 1: and say, now, Michelle. A matter of fact, if you
Speaker 1: know me, you know my first name is t Netra.
Speaker 1: I want you to pull me and say now to
Speaker 1: then Michelle A Michell. Ain't your name? Michelle is my
Speaker 1: middle name. Man, Now you don't you don't ran this
Speaker 1: on the world. I didn't. I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: need to start. I need to research. I need to
Speaker 1: have my people research back. Listen to Nitra is my
Speaker 1: first name. So I expect anybody that knows to Nitra
Speaker 1: if you have ever seen me whiling out or saying
Speaker 1: something I ain't got no business saying, I expect you
Speaker 1: to pull me aside and be like sis you My
Speaker 1: brother is close with Travis Green. My sister is close
Speaker 1: with Travis Green, and they performed. They performed at the inauguration,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember that Christette Michelle. Michelle performed at
Speaker 1: the inauguration. And for me, it's just difficult to overcome
Speaker 1: and I gotta work through that. It's just difficult for
Speaker 1: me to overcome those people who lend their talents to
Speaker 1: someone who consistently sees us as being less than human.
Speaker 1: I find a great great and you know what what
Speaker 1: happens is, I think some people feel like I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be the light of the world. I believe that
Speaker 1: my love for people who don't treat you right. I
Speaker 1: believe my love and light can transform them. But instead
Speaker 1: of it looking like just light and you're going to
Speaker 1: transform and thinking it just looks like you're complicit, you're
Speaker 1: supporting that matter. I do feel like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't spoken to people about it, about their participation,
Speaker 1: but from what we heard was they thought that their
Speaker 1: presence was just going to bring unity and coon bay
Speaker 1: yah my lord, fair I mean fair enough. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess people make mistakes. I just wish that they
Speaker 1: would have consulted those of us who you know, I
Speaker 1: think that what we're seeing now is individuals utilizing their
Speaker 1: platforms in way they've as they've never utilized it before.
Speaker 1: And the best part about sitting in the seat like
Speaker 1: this and being able to do CNN and talk about
Speaker 1: things with amazing people like yourself, and I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing it as well, is there's such an intersection of politics, entertainment, culture,
Speaker 1: and individuals want to be a part of this movement. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a really good feeling to have. And
Speaker 1: we just have to make sure that we we're learning
Speaker 1: enough from others to go out and do the work success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think at this point to we gotta know
Speaker 1: where folks stand now, either you is or you ain't.
Speaker 1: Either you with us, are you against us? Ain't? Ain't
Speaker 1: no in between, you know, And you know, do you
Speaker 1: want to learn more about our struggle, more about our history?
Speaker 1: So you're not out here ignorant. I get that. I'm
Speaker 1: with you if you want to come on here and learn.
Speaker 1: And because some people that's just not the environment that
Speaker 1: they grew up in. And I'm talking about white people.
Speaker 1: But now it's like there's no excuse now at this point,
Speaker 1: you see the blatant comparisons of how the as were
Speaker 1: treated that stormed the Capitol versus Black Lives Matter, and
Speaker 1: we've seen the blatant comparisons. And speaking of that, how
Speaker 1: are you managing the stress, anxiety, and depression of the
Speaker 1: state of America right now? Well, I mean I do
Speaker 1: suffer from anxiety. I am somebody who's still learning a
Speaker 1: great deal about mental health and walking through that journey.
Speaker 1: I talked about therapist every two weeks, Come on, you
Speaker 1: might need to do every week? Got and went from
Speaker 1: every two weeks, I like every Monday at noon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I listen, I'm there every two weeks. I tweeted the
Speaker 1: other day. I said it. I know this ain't this
Speaker 1: ain't none of my business, but some of y'all need
Speaker 1: to start one going to therapy. Now, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw that. Let's normalize going to therapy. I agree, I agree,
Speaker 1: but you know, the anxiety of the of the day
Speaker 1: and coping with it, you know, being a father and
Speaker 1: a husband. I think the unique struggle and just the
Speaker 1: black men in America, the unique struggle that we have
Speaker 1: is how do we raise our children in this country?
Speaker 1: I think that's that for me is the overarching challenge.
Speaker 1: I mean, and especially my son Stokely. I have one son,
Speaker 1: I had two daughters, and just you know, understanding that
Speaker 1: they're you know again, there are people in this country
Speaker 1: who won't give him the benefit of his humanity. Those
Speaker 1: are the those are the angst that I have. Those
Speaker 1: are the anxious moments that I have. And it's something
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, deconstruct that, and you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta note it, as the therapists say, and
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, don't follow those things. But then
Speaker 1: it empowers me to do more in that twenty four
Speaker 1: hour day to attempt to effectuate some sense of change,
Speaker 1: like I am. I do on TV today. I don't
Speaker 1: even know my schedule, not on TV today, but every
Speaker 1: time I go on TV, it's trying to to give
Speaker 1: people at least a word or two that they will remember,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully our conversation here for the time that
Speaker 1: we're we're here, we will change your life at least
Speaker 1: give somebody pause or give them something else to think
Speaker 1: about it. And so that's just the way that I
Speaker 1: try to bite this apple, which is or eat this apple,
Speaker 1: which is one bite at a time. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: commend you for what you are doing with your platform,
Speaker 1: because when you talk about someone up power and experience,
Speaker 1: you have the schooling, you have the knowledge. And I
Speaker 1: just thank you for keeping your heart's posture to help inspire, encourage,
Speaker 1: to bring knowledge, to bring awareness. But at the same
Speaker 1: time parts of you being so transparent and vulnerable as
Speaker 1: a black man, not too many are transparent, not too
Speaker 1: many are vulnerable. And I saw you talking with Trevor Noah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and about the trauma of being black in America. And
Speaker 1: when you talk about your children not being given the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, that is a trauma. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I actually talked that one of our good friends, uh,
Speaker 1: one of our mutual friends who's a really really good
Speaker 1: friend of mine every day, Charlotte Mayne. First of all,
Speaker 1: he's the person, by the way, who first revealed to
Speaker 1: the world that my first name is to Nuetra. Really,
Speaker 1: so every time he sees me and talks to me,
Speaker 1: or every now and then we'll just send an encouraging text,
Speaker 1: he'd be like first to be like peace queen, or
Speaker 1: then he'll just be sarcastically shut up to Nitra or
Speaker 1: something like that. Twenty years ago on an interview, and
Speaker 1: he was like, n't your named Tontra. I was like,
Speaker 1: He's come a long way. That's my South Carolina brethren
Speaker 1: right there. We all we got I've known Schotting for
Speaker 1: a very very long period of time. We were in
Speaker 1: a group chat right now as we speak. We talked,
Speaker 1: We literally talked every um single day. But we also
Speaker 1: talk about these journeys. And what we try to do
Speaker 1: is the stigmatize and mental health and talking about these
Speaker 1: issues for a black man. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: black men think the only person they can talk to
Speaker 1: about the issues they're going through is their barber. And
Speaker 1: you know, we we just have to make sure that
Speaker 1: we don't look at it as a sign of weakness,
Speaker 1: and we we you know, it makes us healthy because
Speaker 1: I firmly believe that, first of all, anybody who's living
Speaker 1: through this phase where this is a lot like you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen, nineteen nineteen, where you have a great pandemic,
Speaker 1: meets nineteen twenty nine, where you have a great economic depression,
Speaker 1: meets nineteen sixty eight where the country was becoming untethered
Speaker 1: on the issues of race. We were having all of
Speaker 1: that in one year. So you're bound to have some issues.
Speaker 1: And if you're not, and you just you know, you're
Speaker 1: strong to do, but you're bound to have some issues
Speaker 1: that and I just I want people to come out
Speaker 1: of this quarantine period physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually stronger
Speaker 1: than they went in. And that's a challenge. And that's
Speaker 1: the challenge that I set forth. That's the challenge I
Speaker 1: give others. And I say that because if you're not mentally, spiritually, emotionally,
Speaker 1: and physically healthy, then you can't help us in the movement,
Speaker 1: for absolutely, And now is the time to get in
Speaker 1: line and get in tune with your spirituality and don't
Speaker 1: feel like you're unqualified or you're unworthy or well it's
Speaker 1: too late now for me to tap in, No, it is.
Speaker 1: It is not too late. Forgive me. If I'm all
Speaker 1: over the place. I just want to make great use
Speaker 1: of your time. You can go all over You can
Speaker 1: go all over the place. Literally, open book it, don't it,
Speaker 1: don't bother me nothing. I want to talk about your
Speaker 1: documentary while I bread. I hope, yeah, and I'd love
Speaker 1: for you to tell the audience a little bit about that,
Speaker 1: but also addressing the real impact on the mental health
Speaker 1: aspect of racism and uh, what that impact is having
Speaker 1: on our country and even on a global level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so while I breathe, I hope dumb sparrow sparrow. That's
Speaker 1: the Latin version of it. It's actually our state's motto.
Speaker 1: There is a lot of pain that's associated with this
Speaker 1: experience of growing up in the four Rule South. You know,
Speaker 1: my life has been bookmarked by tragedy. I tell folk,
Speaker 1: because you know whether or not, it's February eighth, sixty
Speaker 1: eight UM in the Orange Rock massacre where my father
Speaker 1: was shot and imprisoned and ended up going to trial
Speaker 1: for rioting and found guilty by a jury of tin
Speaker 1: whites and two blacks. Um. Three young men were killed
Speaker 1: that night, Henry Smith, Samuel Having in Dellano, Middleton and
Speaker 1: my father in twenty seven others were wounded. Or you
Speaker 1: know that's uh, you know, I always tell folks that's
Speaker 1: the most important day in my life, although it happened
Speaker 1: nearly twenty years before I was born. And then you
Speaker 1: you had the summer of where my good friend Clem
Speaker 1: was pastor mother Manuel Miami Church, and you know on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday night where all black folk car which is
Speaker 1: the Bible study. After he allowed a straggly white boy
Speaker 1: that he never you know, we're seen before come in
Speaker 1: and set him right beside him and prayed with him
Speaker 1: in worship with him. As they were doing the benediction,
Speaker 1: Dylan took out a forty five and shot Clemming the
Speaker 1: neck and proceeded to shoot eight others. And you know,
Speaker 1: Clem's wife was in the church, one of his daughters
Speaker 1: was in the church. You know, you just think about
Speaker 1: all of those You think about those two bookmarks and
Speaker 1: what you know, the Confederate flag. When I served in
Speaker 1: the South Carolina General Assembly, A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know that I actually are like, yeah, you end up
Speaker 1: on CNN. You just talked like you're talking to barbershop.
Speaker 1: And you know, I actually got elected four times, so
Speaker 1: you know you you served in the General Assembly. I
Speaker 1: ran for lieutenant governor, and all of those things I
Speaker 1: did under the auspices of the Confederate flag, never thinking
Speaker 1: in my lifetime that it would come down. But it
Speaker 1: took the bloodshed of one of my good friends and
Speaker 1: eight others for it to come down. So you just
Speaker 1: you think about all of those things, and while I breathe,
Speaker 1: I hope it covered my race for lieutenant governor, which
Speaker 1: was just a fascinating experience in kind of cool to
Speaker 1: watch how politics has evolved, because yeah, I got I
Speaker 1: got forty one and a half forty two percent vote
Speaker 1: in in South Carolina. And then you see Stacy and
Speaker 1: Andrew chip away at that flast ceiling but not quite
Speaker 1: reach it. You see Jamie add a few more chips
Speaker 1: to it, just go around. But then you see Raphael
Speaker 1: and and and as Off kind of shadowed that ceiling,
Speaker 1: you know, just to be a part of that whole
Speaker 1: transition of trying to and you know, I en Twitter
Speaker 1: was just the thing starting. It wasn't really I g
Speaker 1: that was you know, you have celebrities wearing your you know,
Speaker 1: your hats to you know, basketball games and stuff as
Speaker 1: you try to make history. So you just see what
Speaker 1: happens and how it evolves and how it changes, and
Speaker 1: you just take stock where you are and realized that,
Speaker 1: you know, history always been towards the ark of justice.
Speaker 1: Well as you were naming Off Warnock and as often
Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams, I'm excited because I officially became a Georgia resident,
Speaker 1: like in Atlanta. Yeah, Atlanta, Atlanta, is full. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how they let you in. You know what,
Speaker 1: I didn't intend to be here. It was an accident.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling all my business because a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know. I've been here since December of eighteen,
Speaker 1: and I've just been laying low, you know, because i
Speaker 1: didn't intend on being here so long. But I'm originally
Speaker 1: from Illinois, and I was talking with my mom to day.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I never intend on living back
Speaker 1: there because first of all, it's too cold and it's freezing,
Speaker 1: and so with everything going on here in Atlanta, I
Speaker 1: already know it's gonna be a duty of mine to,
Speaker 1: you know, get in there and learn, first of all,
Speaker 1: because I'm definitely not an expert. But as you were
Speaker 1: just saying those names, I'm proud to be here, you know,
Speaker 1: and shout out to the l A N T A.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I love Atlanta. I went
Speaker 1: to more House. Yep, you know, I'm a. I'm a.
Speaker 1: I love love Love. It's one of my favorite cities
Speaker 1: on Earth. Y'all need to stay in the house and
Speaker 1: wear masks though you're doing way too much, you know,
Speaker 1: folks been out in these streets they've been out and about. Now,
Speaker 1: I you're gonna get some crawfish. Now, I do, go
Speaker 1: get my good seasoned crawfish. Have you been to Slutty
Speaker 1: Vegan yet? I have not. I keep hearing about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta go to Slutty Vegan. Shout out to Slutty Vegan.
Speaker 1: That line is for real, though. You put on your
Speaker 1: hoodie and the hat in a mask and go in
Speaker 1: and stand in the back. Wait, wait, wait, I might
Speaker 1: need to pull down my mask and say can you
Speaker 1: let me in please? It'll be like tantra if you
Speaker 1: don't take us back in the line to nature, and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, no, no, no, I don't treat the
Speaker 1: first ten people in this line to lunch now. They're
Speaker 1: good people. Over the Slutty Vegan keeps the long lines
Speaker 1: that Atlanta is an amazing city. Yes, and the culture
Speaker 1: there is fast maintagesco to the Dirty South. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Dirty South. Thank you, my friend. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to just speak. How do you speak to your older
Speaker 1: relatives who seem like they're seeing today what they saw
Speaker 1: in the sixties, like you talking about the Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's a good question. Um, My dad and I
Speaker 1: have these conversations. My dad was in SNICKED, the Student
Speaker 1: Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. He went to look for the bodies
Speaker 1: of good Man Suroner and Chaining. You know, he made
Speaker 1: cheese sandwiches for the March on Washington. He was national
Speaker 1: field director and program secretary under stokely And and John
Speaker 1: Lewis and SNICK. And my mom was a part of
Speaker 1: the desegregating class of Hamilton High School in Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: And so I remind folk all the time that, like,
Speaker 1: we're only a generation away. But you know, when when
Speaker 1: we have conversations with the folk that i'd speak to,
Speaker 1: they basically just say, it's your time. Now. There's someone
Speaker 1: who says that we've made a lot of progress, but
Speaker 1: we still have yet a ways to go, and the
Speaker 1: work that they've done shall not be in vain right,
Speaker 1: and we just have to build upon that. We have
Speaker 1: to remember it, understanding and build upon that. And we've
Speaker 1: changed this country. If anybody was to say this country
Speaker 1: hasn't changed in their lying to themselves, this country has changed.
Speaker 1: This has changed a great deal. But we're still very
Speaker 1: very far away from making words like love, truth, truth, hope, justice, peak,
Speaker 1: actual verbs right where they mean something where they're tangible,
Speaker 1: where we can see him and feel him, and that
Speaker 1: you know, everyone has some sense of equality. Older people
Speaker 1: tell me and they just sit back and say, to
Speaker 1: the first of all, my day said, this boy is
Speaker 1: a fool talking about Trump. He would always tell me
Speaker 1: that the difference between Trump and Nixon is that Nixon
Speaker 1: hash shame. Trump has none, and um, you know, I
Speaker 1: just learned those lessons and go out here and attempt
Speaker 1: to take my place in the movement. I sometimes just
Speaker 1: wonder is Trump just is he just putting on a
Speaker 1: shore or is this really who this man is? In
Speaker 1: his heart? Like problem? Do you have a therapist? Do
Speaker 1: you have real friends? Well, he suffers from and I
Speaker 1: trust me. I hate when people try to diagnose people's
Speaker 1: mental health issues. But he definitely has some narcissism that
Speaker 1: is uncontrolled and some sense of psychopathy. Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: the things that he does doesn't make sense, and I
Speaker 1: think he's a very sick man. Even though you know,
Speaker 1: you do have to put the disclaimer out there that
Speaker 1: we cannot diagnose people, but there are trusted people in
Speaker 1: that field psychiatry who can diagnose and prescribe, who do
Speaker 1: talk about his behaviors if he were a patient of
Speaker 1: their's what they would diagnose him to be. So, while
Speaker 1: we're talking about mental health and politics, do you think
Speaker 1: it has a politics has a place at the table
Speaker 1: when it comes to discussing mental health. Oh? Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I mean, let's think about
Speaker 1: what your background is, right, criminal justice, Right, let's think
Speaker 1: about that. And when you think about the intersection of
Speaker 1: politics and policy and mental health, when you think about
Speaker 1: criminal justice is foreign. The first thing you think about
Speaker 1: is when you're policing and um a lot of police
Speaker 1: that they show up to incidents where mental health professionals
Speaker 1: will be better suited, right, And we have to create
Speaker 1: policies and procedures whereby we are dispatching more mental health
Speaker 1: professionals and not as many things. That's right. Who can
Speaker 1: who are taught how to de escalate? Right? I know,
Speaker 1: I got police in my family, Like, why the hell
Speaker 1: am I here? Like I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with this situation. And then individuals, especially in smaller towns
Speaker 1: where I'm from, them from a town called Denmark, or
Speaker 1: we have three stoplights in a blinking light in the
Speaker 1: county jail would always have individuals who we all knew
Speaker 1: were mentally ill, but you house them in the county jail,
Speaker 1: and the main reason is because you don't have enough
Speaker 1: beds for them and correct. So when you just think
Speaker 1: from a pure politics policy perspective, you have individuals who
Speaker 1: aren't suited to handle mental health issues. Handling mental health issues,
Speaker 1: you don't have the resources dedicated to do that. We
Speaker 1: also need to make sure that, again going at criminal
Speaker 1: Justice reformed, that our law enforcement officers undergo some type
Speaker 1: of mental health at least questionnaire, let alone screening before
Speaker 1: we give them a gun and a badge, which we
Speaker 1: don't know. Then a lot of states, including Georgia, by
Speaker 1: the way, it's more rigorous to get a barber's license
Speaker 1: than it is to become a licensed law enforcement officer.
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, it plays a role um in
Speaker 1: the process and de stigmatizing the the mental health. It
Speaker 1: also plays a role in that. And I would love
Speaker 1: you know, while someone is Indian Academy or what ever
Speaker 1: in law enforcement that you know a couple of classes
Speaker 1: are health. They should now have mental health professionals teaching
Speaker 1: the basics of mental health as well. We've talked a
Speaker 1: little bit about the president and how racism has been
Speaker 1: exposed in his stay in office. What strife do you
Speaker 1: predict that we should brace ourselves for these next four
Speaker 1: years under this new presidency of Biden inhers and how
Speaker 1: do you think we should be mentally and emotionally prepared,
Speaker 1: not saying we already know they're not going to incite
Speaker 1: nothing crazy, but we are still going to have to
Speaker 1: be healing from this last set of four years. Our
Speaker 1: next administration inherits that we have to continue to hold
Speaker 1: this administration accountable. We have the whole common enjoy accountable. Right,
Speaker 1: we have to push them to be progressive and do
Speaker 1: the things that we asked of them in office. That's
Speaker 1: I want people to understand that that that is necessary.
Speaker 1: It's always necessary, Like voting is the front door to democracy,
Speaker 1: and now we're in the House, so we got to
Speaker 1: go in and do the work necessary. I also think
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta understand how mtworks. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of people have needed this process. And because we
Speaker 1: have a filibuster in the United States, sent most of
Speaker 1: the things we want take sixty votes. Now, there are
Speaker 1: some things we can do with fifty plus one, which
Speaker 1: we now have. But a lot of the things we want,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take sixt like two thousand dollar checks for example,
Speaker 1: take sixty votes. Now, I think we have sixty votes
Speaker 1: for that. I think I think that we need to
Speaker 1: increase the minimum wage to fifteen dollars. That's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll have sixty votes, but I
Speaker 1: think that would be that would be interesting. You you
Speaker 1: asked me a question about what should we brace ourselves for.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the policy first and then
Speaker 1: kind of backtracks. I think that we need to pass,
Speaker 1: you know, in amendments of the Voting Rights Actor Strength
Speaker 1: and that I think we need to do criminal justice reform,
Speaker 1: particularly the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. I think
Speaker 1: we need to, you know, get these cabinet members in
Speaker 1: a position where they can do the work necessary. Increase
Speaker 1: the minimum wage, do all of these things that we
Speaker 1: can do in a in a short period of time.
Speaker 1: You know, rejoined the Paris Accord on climate change. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's so many things that we can do just
Speaker 1: right off the bat. And then we have to have
Speaker 1: a Department of Justice who is actively rooting out white
Speaker 1: supremacy and domestic terror. From around the country, and a
Speaker 1: lot of it is actually house. Not a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Some of its actually housing. Our police department says, we've
Speaker 1: seen by those individuals who traveled from around the country
Speaker 1: to get there. I could not believe it. Are you surprised?
Speaker 1: I think the audacity or the like you that you
Speaker 1: actually did it versus talking about it, dreaming about it,
Speaker 1: fantasizing about it. You'll actually ask you a question. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. Remember you remember Charlottesville, Charlotteville
Speaker 1: and last Wednesday. You had racism, You had people carrying
Speaker 1: Confederate flags. You had people screaming anti Semitis, semitic things,
Speaker 1: you had people screaming nigger. You had all of these things.
Speaker 1: What stood out to you the most about both of
Speaker 1: those events? I think what stood out to me the most. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a I feel things. First. I
Speaker 1: think just the blatant demonstration of evil. Yeah, well that
Speaker 1: was there. You know. The most amazing thing about both
Speaker 1: those things was they didn't wear hoods, they didn't cover
Speaker 1: their face. That was the next thing I was literally
Speaker 1: about to say, I just saw a picture yesterday that
Speaker 1: was like, this is why your granddaddy's wore hoods, correct,
Speaker 1: so exactly you were just a generation away. Then we
Speaker 1: have to analyze like why they didn't wear hoods because
Speaker 1: although Donald Trump didn't create racism, I think I think
Speaker 1: that's lazy. At this point, they want you to know
Speaker 1: who they are. They do and they feel comfortable in
Speaker 1: their racism and bigotry because they've been made to feel
Speaker 1: like it is okay, you're not gonna suffer any consequences
Speaker 1: or like, um, the young man who's in jail now
Speaker 1: who can only eat organic food. Yeah, by the way
Speaker 1: that the U S Marshals are giving them organic foods.
Speaker 1: That always happens though, which is a mess because Bukari
Speaker 1: I don't care what you're putting in your body when
Speaker 1: what's coming out of your heart and mouth ain't pure. Right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to put a go fund Me button
Speaker 1: under this episode. Listen, listen, I was talking to my
Speaker 1: mom about that today. So you can only eat whole food,
Speaker 1: but what's coming out your mouth easy equivalent to some
Speaker 1: other lower branched store. Yeah, so basically he's gonna get
Speaker 1: his organic food, but as soon as he goes to
Speaker 1: the commissary and get something processed, then they're gonna know
Speaker 1: that they can take him off his organic diet. They're
Speaker 1: going to know, they're going to know as soon as
Speaker 1: you get that ramen, because he's gonna you know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be his birthday. He canna be back then and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the ram that shrimp flavor roman. That's
Speaker 1: what we did at more House when we invited the
Speaker 1: girl to the room. We put the beef away. We
Speaker 1: broke up, yea, y'all broke out the shrimp. That was
Speaker 1: so romantic my whole life. That was that so thoughtful?
Speaker 1: He should you know what's some breakout some shrimp ramen
Speaker 1: for you and your lovely for Mrs Sellers as we speak,
Speaker 1: go ahead and breaking on her bags. Leave and you
Speaker 1: know what, she would have every right, you know I would.
Speaker 1: I would pray for reconciliation and restoration first. You know,
Speaker 1: she'd have every right to scare you. The House is
Speaker 1: set to impeach Trump for a second time, making him
Speaker 1: the first president to be impeached twice. Pelosi says that
Speaker 1: we know the president of the United States inside at
Speaker 1: this insurrection, this armed rebellion against our common country. He
Speaker 1: must go. He is a clear and president danger to
Speaker 1: the nation we all love, So what's in your head?
Speaker 1: I'm a little over it. So we gotta understand the
Speaker 1: benefits of impeaching him again, because some people don't because
Speaker 1: he may not even be he may not be ejected.
Speaker 1: I don't even know when the Senate is gonna get it.
Speaker 1: If I was Nancy Pelosi, I would impeach him today tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and she might hold it a hundred days, which I
Speaker 1: think is a mistake. But don't tell Nancy I said
Speaker 1: anything she did is a mistake. The reason, the reason
Speaker 1: you would impeach the president is because the law does state,
Speaker 1: although not interpreted, that you can't prevent him from running
Speaker 1: for off at federal office again. Everybody knows he wants
Speaker 1: to run for president again. He said, you can or can't.
Speaker 1: You can, well, with the second impeachment, he won't be
Speaker 1: able to write, or you can't. You can't prevent him
Speaker 1: from with the second one. It's possible. You can prevent
Speaker 1: him from getting his two thousand dollar a year pension,
Speaker 1: and you can prevent him from having his lifetime Secret Service,
Speaker 1: and you can prevent him from having a million dollar
Speaker 1: a year travel budget. So I mean, there are things
Speaker 1: that come along with this. But I'm not about to
Speaker 1: sit here and watch all these people arguing that like
Speaker 1: I didn't see what I saw. Come on, I'm not
Speaker 1: drinking until after Memorial Day because I'm just getting my
Speaker 1: body right for this workout I'm doing the Memorial Day
Speaker 1: so I can't definitely can't watch it sober. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna have to tell me about it, so
Speaker 1: I am not necessarily I will talk about it on TV.
Speaker 1: I know what's going on. I know how Republicans now
Speaker 1: want us to have healing and unity and turn the page.
Speaker 1: One of the more amazing things or actual sins about
Speaker 1: this country is that oppress people and poor people in
Speaker 1: black folk in particular, are always compelled to forgive before
Speaker 1: there's any level of accountability or itself. I figured that
Speaker 1: there needs to be some acknowledgement and some true repentance,
Speaker 1: which means to turn away from it, denounce it, acknowledge it.
Speaker 1: And that's when true healing can take place. Because the
Speaker 1: car if I offend you, I can say I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: correct you know, but true healing comes with man I
Speaker 1: acknowledge what I've done to you. How can I not
Speaker 1: do this again. I want to turn from this. It's
Speaker 1: a process. It's more than just a I'm sorry, and
Speaker 1: we hang up the phone. Every time something happens to us.
Speaker 1: They're like, when are you going to forgive Let's hell.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the wound doesn't heal without treating it.
Speaker 1: That's good. Now, now we can do a go fund
Speaker 1: me for that, because that's practical. That is like, you're right,
Speaker 1: you gotta put MEO sporing on it. You gotta put it,
Speaker 1: you gotta put a band in on it, or you
Speaker 1: gotta Some wounds need to be left now, this's gonna preach.
Speaker 1: Some wounds need to be left open for even for
Speaker 1: infection to seep out of it. And I think what
Speaker 1: we're seeing now is infection in our nation. So this
Speaker 1: wound is gonna have to be left open, or it's
Speaker 1: going to be left open for a while before healing
Speaker 1: takes place, and the scar is always going to be there.
Speaker 1: To remind us of my mama used to say, let
Speaker 1: you gotta let the air hit it. Sometimes that's right.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just I just think that
Speaker 1: this country has never dealt with the problem at hand,
Speaker 1: and now we're faced with it. And I just sat
Speaker 1: back last Wenesday. It was like, oh, these white folks acting, uh,
Speaker 1: look at that you see? And my daughter was watching
Speaker 1: and she was so scared. I was like looking at
Speaker 1: the white people that didn't do white people look at this.
Speaker 1: I know one thing though, you know this, Michelle, they
Speaker 1: didn't go fold blocks in another direction in d C.
Speaker 1: Because they would have been in a whole another part
Speaker 1: of town. You know what. I saw a video where
Speaker 1: they had parked on a particular street, like you said,
Speaker 1: four blocks away and they got out with their Trump
Speaker 1: flag and these dudes put it up. Did you see
Speaker 1: the same video I saw that was like said, put
Speaker 1: you put it right back in the car? Show put.
Speaker 1: He showed put the theory. And all I know is
Speaker 1: if they parallel parked. I just saw all them wheels
Speaker 1: turning and they got out of there. You will get.
Speaker 1: You will get more than Mumbo sells certain, you know.
Speaker 1: And on a lighter note, we've talked everything from racism
Speaker 1: to mental health to any advice that you have moving forward.
Speaker 1: But I just love seeing you as a dad with
Speaker 1: your twins, and you kind of addressed it earlier where
Speaker 1: you said your hope is that you will be a
Speaker 1: good father. They'll see you as a good father, or
Speaker 1: you will be a good husband. And um, I believe
Speaker 1: you are definitely not in your business. But what is
Speaker 1: one thing that you think you are teaching them or
Speaker 1: what do you want them to know that they can
Speaker 1: be unapologetically black and do anything in this world they
Speaker 1: so choose. I want them to be extremely proud of
Speaker 1: who they are and where they come from. And I
Speaker 1: always want them to know that they're the first. They
Speaker 1: shouldn't ever be the last. I want them to become
Speaker 1: a part of something larger than themselves. And I just
Speaker 1: want them to think that they are here to improve
Speaker 1: the plight of others. Yeah. Wow, well maccari, this has
Speaker 1: been one of the smoothest episodes. It's the host. Man.
Speaker 1: You need to you need to take this from the
Speaker 1: Black Effect to uh late night TV listen. Man, Well,
Speaker 1: I received all of that. I got to manifest. Come on, somebody.
Speaker 1: And I know you said you don't believe in vision boards,
Speaker 1: but I do believe in seeing the end from the beginning.
Speaker 1: And I do see a talk show in my future,
Speaker 1: and I see you coming back. I'll be back. That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. All you gotta do is ask when
Speaker 1: they told me who it was, and I got to
Speaker 1: know you through your talent and then got to know
Speaker 1: you through your perseverance. So I'm always here and I'm
Speaker 1: a fan and a friend from a far man. You
Speaker 1: ain't said nothing but the words. If we're wrapping up,
Speaker 1: who are all these people on the screen? You got
Speaker 1: a whole team, I know, right. We've got some folks
Speaker 1: here from Black Effect. We got Samantha Wilson and Nicole
Speaker 1: Spence from the Black Effects side. Then we've got Angela
Speaker 1: Shan and Tamika representing Relevate Entertainment. All I'm gonna say is,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you took the time out to come
Speaker 1: on my podcast and share some advice, knowledge and some wisdom.
Speaker 1: And I want you to come back and just take over. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you do a great job. Now. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Keep me in your prayers, and God bless you on
Speaker 1: this new endeavor. It's really doping a great experience. I
Speaker 1: shout out to the Black Effect, shout out to Relevation,
Speaker 1: Shout out to you for everything that you have done,
Speaker 1: you are doing, and most importantly what you will do.
Speaker 1: And I send blessings and strength back to you and
Speaker 1: everything that you are doing. And as far as anxiety
Speaker 1: is concerned, you know, I just put a little dropper
Speaker 1: full of CEB d oil. Oh. I take my one.
Speaker 1: I take my three thousand milligrams twice a day, once
Speaker 1: in the morning, once and night. See. He follows the directions, guys,
Speaker 1: and that's the directions that's on the bottle anywhere. Man.
Speaker 1: Love to you, bro, and I'll see you again. Okay, folks,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you and tell you that
Speaker 1: I feel so at ease, and I hope you guys
Speaker 1: feel comforted. But Cary has shared his story and his background.
Speaker 1: He also shared his parents background and how his father
Speaker 1: had been imprisoned during some riots and the fact that
Speaker 1: Baccari's parents have lived it and as he said, we
Speaker 1: are literally just a generation away from everything that has happened.
Speaker 1: But for him to even admit that he still has
Speaker 1: some anxiety, but he was still poised and grounded, And
Speaker 1: I know he put my spirit at ease. And I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people pull on him and they
Speaker 1: asked him so many questions. But I hope that you
Speaker 1: guys flood his timeline with love and good energy and
Speaker 1: peace and strength because he's got to talk about this stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, he has to share his opinions and perspectives
Speaker 1: on stations like CNN where he is a political analyst.
Speaker 1: And I just want him to know that I appreciate
Speaker 1: him for coming in and taking his time to share
Speaker 1: with us on the podcast. I just feel like what's
Speaker 1: gone on in our nation out as I will reiterate,
Speaker 1: just kind of exposed a wound or something that has
Speaker 1: not healed yet, that is severely in fact did and
Speaker 1: I almost feel like, you know, do you cut the
Speaker 1: part off of the body that's been wounded. Not to
Speaker 1: get too graphic, but sometimes when there's something on the
Speaker 1: body that's too infected, the infection travels throughout the body,
Speaker 1: and we're seeing infection travel throughout our country. Um and
Speaker 1: sometimes the root of the infection has to be cut
Speaker 1: or somehow removed, somehow flushed. And yes, it is painful
Speaker 1: to see our country go through what it's going through.
Speaker 1: Because if my grandparents were alive, they'd be shaking their
Speaker 1: heads like we just saw this. We are not too
Speaker 1: far removed from nineteen eight And for young people that
Speaker 1: are listening to this not coming from a judgmental standpoint,
Speaker 1: but from a standpoint of encouragement, we can't play in
Speaker 1: these streets no more. Yes, we can have life and
Speaker 1: fund let's have some balance, but let's not choose to
Speaker 1: be ignorant, because sometimes when we choose to turn a
Speaker 1: blind eye and and have a deaf ear to everything
Speaker 1: that's going on, we can't do that. Now, I do
Speaker 1: know we have to pay attention to what goes into
Speaker 1: our heart. Right our eye gates and our ear gates
Speaker 1: their gateways into our heart. So I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: to sit and watch and take in all of this
Speaker 1: stuff twenty four hours a day. But I've even been encouraged,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've been convicted a little bit
Speaker 1: to pay attention a little more. And my guest Bakari
Speaker 1: Sellers just fueled my fire to pay attention a little more,
Speaker 1: speak out a little more. I feel like sometimes a
Speaker 1: lot of us don't speak out because maybe we feel
Speaker 1: like we're not articulate. But you don't have to be
Speaker 1: articulate to say I'm angry, I'm hurting. We talked about
Speaker 1: being transparent and being vulnerable, and it is okay to
Speaker 1: say check in with yourself, to say man I'm hurting,
Speaker 1: I'm vulnerable. It's okay to check in with others and
Speaker 1: say I'm angry, I'm scared. There are some of you
Speaker 1: all that listening to this podcast where you might even
Speaker 1: be living in certain states where you're scared to walk
Speaker 1: out of your home as a black man, as a
Speaker 1: black woman because you don't know if your neighbor is
Speaker 1: gonna say something crazy, or if you're just minding your
Speaker 1: business going to the grocery store, are you gonna have
Speaker 1: a racially motivated encounter. And it's okay to check in
Speaker 1: with God and say, God, I don't understand, or God,
Speaker 1: where are you? We've been talking not to question God,
Speaker 1: but I believe when you have relationship with somebody, you
Speaker 1: could ask them questions. I'm not doubting his sovereignty. I'm
Speaker 1: not doubting the place that he sits in my life,
Speaker 1: not doubting that at all. But I have said, God,
Speaker 1: where are you in all of this? And I think
Speaker 1: sometimes the best work is done in the dark. Right
Speaker 1: now we are our nation that is covered in darkness.
Speaker 1: But I believe some of God's best work is being
Speaker 1: done in the darkness and we will see some light.
Speaker 1: There was some suffering going on in the biblical day,
Speaker 1: So who are we to feel like we are immune
Speaker 1: to any suffering. There is nothing that you can say
Speaker 1: to him that he will be surprised. He might be
Speaker 1: waiting for you to check in with him, to have conversation,
Speaker 1: some conversation that eases your anxiety, conversation that brings peace,
Speaker 1: because I know the events around us in this country
Speaker 1: has caused a fair amount of worry and anxiety. But
Speaker 1: I have a song that says heard a word, and
Speaker 1: it says I heard a word saying, girl, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: But I can also include the lyric and say I
Speaker 1: heard a word saying, kings and queens, you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Now heard oh word that would ease my trouble mind.
Speaker 1: He'll take all the hurd away, warm you up and
Speaker 1: side like a summer day. So glad that you'll never
Speaker 1: break your promises. I heard a word that you'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning in, Bye bye ye. Checking
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